Jennie Allen on What Happens When You Say “Yes” to God

In this episode of Everyday Radical, David Platt and Austin Huang talk with Jennie Allen about repentance, revival, spiritual freedom, and more.

Books referenced in this episode:

• The Lie You Don't Know You Believe
• Kisses from Katie
• The Chronicles of Narnia

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Everyday Radical, a podcast where we help the everyday Christian follow Jesus and make him known everywhere. We pray that today's episode encourages you to do just that. So let's dive right in.

SPEAKER_05 0:14

I mean, this is so fun to be here with y'all because I mean, David, we've been friends a long time.

SPEAKER_01 0:19

I know.

SPEAKER_05 0:19

We're getting old, so now it's like 15 years. I don't know. We've known each other a long time.

SPEAKER_01 0:23

Yeah, I remember the first time you asked me to speak at if, and I was like so intimidated. No, you weren't. What are you talking about? Of course I was. I like do a lot on the uh the uh women's circuit mic. So I was like, I was like, and Heather is like, you're speaking of it? That's funny. So funny. So anyway, thanks for letting me speak of it. I think that was the first time we met. Uh you and Zach. Uh we hung out like a little bit backstage. We had like a lunch before I was speaking of this.

SPEAKER_05 0:55

Yeah, but we've had our moments since I feel like I just feel like I don't know, you feel like my brother.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

Well, that's that's mutual. Uh yeah, have walked through yeah, I had some some really uh I'm just thinking about uh Chris and I hanging out at you with you and Zach one night at your house in the living room, yes, uh, and you just like speaking into my life, like uh yeah, prophetically. Um I think about yeah, you sitting down at a lunch in that story and having having students and uh uh sharing of the overflow of that, and just like well, kids, we've kindred spirit through the heart.

SPEAKER_05 1:38

Yeah, we walk through lots. I I do I count you like one of my favorite people just to be with. I'm always wishing we had more time with each other. I always feel like we never get to the end of everything we could dream about or talk about. Yes. I support and believe in all the work you're doing so deeply. It's hard for me, guys. I wish he was on my podcast right now because I'm wanting to interview him today. Because we're each other.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

Well, that's not that's not what this is. This is uh you're you're actually doing most of the talking here anyhow. And so we're actually at if like uh if it's tonight, yes. Uh so this will be airing later, but I mean uh yeah, what you've seen God do at if over well we that started how how many years ago? When did that start?

SPEAKER_05 2:22

12 years ago now.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 2:24

Um we celebrated 10 years in 2024, and then in 2025, we did gather in place of if and the people cried out, and we were like, let's give them back if.

SPEAKER_01 2:39

I mean, they loved gather. Oh, they loved gathering.

SPEAKER_05 2:42

But what I learned from that, I mean, it really actually moved me to see it go away for a minute because I saw how they use it because it was part of their calendar, their church calendar, and it was their women's event. I mean, picture a church that has two to three people on staff, they probably don't have anybody ministering to women, even big churches, like it was part of their yearly calendar. And so thousands of women hosts, you know, that's the magic of if it's happening live around the world tonight, and I think we're almost up to 3,000 events. So it's like a it's a family, and we also are, you know, the who's in the room, even though there'll be, I don't know, 3,600, I think in the room is a tiny portion of who's in the world watching. And so that's always been the magic of if and the magic of just being one team on mission around the world. I mean, we have 33 countries league with with groups, right? We'll have others tuning in, but 33 with groups and every state is really special.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

So for people who don't know what if is, like what why'd you start it? What was the original vision? And then how did that morph?

SPEAKER_05 3:49

It'll go into kind of my bigger story, which is just I mean, I'm I'm a stay-at-home mom, I have three kids, I don't have an online presence, I was not an influencer. I heard the words on my 30th birthday from the Lord. I felt this call. Disciple a generation. And I know that sounds crazy, and it did to me. And I I remember like that whole day feeling like my bones were heavy. Like I couldn't, I didn't know what to do with something like that. I didn't have an aspiration to do anything. Like I didn't there wasn't there wasn't anywhere for that to come from, you know.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

So like you weren't, I mean, you you said nothing. You were you weren't doing any ministry, you didn't have a blog, you weren't even like wow, yeah. Nothing at that point, you're just insane. Yes, raising three babies.

SPEAKER_05 4:34

Yeah, that was me, and my husband was a pastor. And I don't even think I taught my local Bible study. Well, I always taught a Bible study of seven people in my living room since I was saved. Wow, okay, I and there was no model for that in my life. I just started, I just immediately my instinct at the knowledge of God was to tell people about God. So I started teaching my Bible at 17.

SPEAKER_01 4:58

And back up, did you grow up in church?

SPEAKER_05 5:00

I did, and my parents loved God, and I accepted, I I prayed a prayer to not go to hell in first grade. But unless I massively changed my theology and believed that there's a second indwelling of the Holy Spirit, I don't think I was saved until 17 because I never saw my sin. I never um, I never I had no gifts, I had no passion for ministry. But the night I saw my sin, which is so interesting. I actually just made this connection on someone else's podcast yesterday or day before yesterday. Because he said, What brought you to Jesus? And I was like, seeing my sin, and it's so crazy because what I do now, I feel like John the Baptist, I'm literally doing repentance. And so to think that that's when I was brought into a knowledge of the gospel where I needed it. It wasn't just I'm a Christian. I'm I, you know, uh, but I cried the night I got saved, I cried for hours and hours over my sin. And I was just so grateful for a savior. And I just never got over it. You know, it's kind of I'm the same, like tonight when I speak it, if it's the same girl. Like I'm the same girl that like can't get over it. I just I'm not over it. And and that really is my story. It's just I can't believe it's this good.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

Yes. All right, so fast forward to 30. You're disciple of generation. Okay, what do I do with that?

SPEAKER_05 6:31

Yeah, I felt called into ministry at 18 one night in my parents' house, um, and I didn't know what to do with that. I mean, at that age, you gotta think, women, Beth Moore's not on the scene. By the way, I sound older than I am. Like Dave and I are the same age. I sound like an 80-year-old because of my voice right now, but um I'm not that old, but still, Beth had not Beth would come on the scene in the next year or two, but I didn't have role models. I didn't grow up on the side of the church where women were using public gifts. The only examples I had were the memoirs I read of Elizabeth Elliott, Amy Carmichael. So with a calling into ministry, I absolutely assumed that was a calling to the mission field. There was no role for me in the church in the U.S. I didn't have there weren't female writers and speakers like there are now. I I had no context for that. So I assumed I would go on the mission field until I married my husband who didn't feel that calling. And so, you know, we put that on hold and had a bunch of babies. So now fast forward, I'm 30. I feel the Lord say that to me. And my friends, thankfully that day just said, Ginny, if that did come from God, which you know, when do you know something comes from God or not when it happens?

SPEAKER_00 7:38

You know, that's when you stands the test of time. Yes, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

You know, now I'm doing my it's written in the word, or if it happens, and he's sovereign.

SPEAKER_05 7:46

Or he does, you know. And so he they he, you know, they were like, Jenny, if this is from God, then he's gonna make it happen. You don't, you don't have to just how would you even do that?

SPEAKER_03 7:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 7:56

I was like, no means, no means whatsoever. Yeah. So it's really crazy to think about that now. Um so and and I'm telling you, I look way more ambitious than I am. I mean, like, if you read, you didn't do it, but if you read my like storyline, like all the things I've created and the books I've written and there, all that, like if you read it all, it's like, man, like I don't even like that girl. Like that girl is crazy. Like, why would she do all that? You know, but I really haven't been that. It's just been that I have said yes. Like anything that's come, I've said yes. And so the next thing that came after 30 was I was leading in my living room since I was 17. I'd always taught a Bible study. I didn't want it to be too big because I, well, this is actually gonna bring our story together before I knew you. I didn't want it to be too big because I was I was I liked people to like me. I was a people pleaser. I just I did I didn't want to open it up. So for 15 years, I taught my Bible in my living room to and discipled a handful of people.

SPEAKER_03 8:59

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 9:00

Katie Davis. Her blog came on the scene. Oh, don't know who that is. Her blog was called Kisses from Katie. She has a book out, I think in that same name, that shares a lot of her blog. But she was this younger girl at the time that just gave everything, adopted kids off the streets in Uganda, and I was so moved by her faith. I was like, I want to, I I need to surrender to God more. And so after reading her blog one night, it was 1 a.m. No, the night I found her blog. It was 1 a.m. I go on my bathroom floor because I had my computer open and it was bugging Zach. So I'm on my bathroom floor, it's 1 a.m. I'm reading it and weeping, and I'm convicted. And I lay on my, I will never forget it. I laid on my cold bathroom floor and I said, Lord, I will do anything. Anything.

SPEAKER_04 9:48

Wow.

SPEAKER_05 9:48

And then I told my husband about the next day. He read it, and we started praying every night, we will do anything. And we meant it. And we would have moved countries, we would have sold our everything. It was sincere. And and he started to speak. And we started to know what to do. And the first thing I knew was I was supposed to open up my Bible study to more people and quit being so controlling because I was very controlling about it. And so I was like, okay, and I opened my Bible study, and we were church planning at the time, and the Bible study in this little cafeteria, this dirty old school that should have been taken better care of as a public school, and it we had more people than we had at our church. We had, I think we had like 250 people sign up for this Bible study. And I don't even I still don't understand that. Yeah, I still don't know how that happened.

SPEAKER_00 10:34

For a Bible study.

SPEAKER_05 10:35

Yes. Then the next thing that happened was you're supposed to fill we had an extra twin bed in my son's room, and he was like, You're gonna fill that bed. And I was like, Foss or Dop, we didn't know. He would lead us in the future on that. We knew, but we committed, like, we'll fill the bed. Wherever you lead, we'll fill the bed. And all these things started happening. But again, this is let me think, it was it would be right after that was my 30th birthday. Do you see what I'm saying? So all of this is no, no, no, sorry, cut, edit. No, it was that happened when I was 30. This was all happening a few years later. Okay. Okay. So now the Bible study starts getting printed and sent. I was writing multiple and leading, now there's 250 or whatever. Oh no, I mean, I might be stretching that. That felt like a thousand.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

Yeah, yeah. It was massive. Yeah, sure. It was more than seven in your living.

SPEAKER_05 11:32

And the room was full, and it was a pretty big room. So when I think of that room, that that they started telling their friends, and I had to start printing these studies, and and it cost more to print them. So I went to a writer's retreat just to see like, could you could I get these published because I'm having to print these and send them to other churches. And so I walked out of that with an agent with meetings with Lifeway, Thomas Nelson, zero followers. Like that didn't happen even back then. Like you had to have a blog, you had to have an account. And so that opened that door. But I knew all along that I was not supposed to, this wasn't about my ministry. Like it wasn't about what I would do. Disciple generation felt so big that I pictured something like if gathering. And so I just started inviting friends as my publishing started to grow. It opened doors for me to speak at Women of Faith at the time. Nobody knows what that is anymore. Women of Faith, Catalyst. I was on Catalyst in the first year. I remember Lisa Turker sit down next to me and was like, Who are you, girl? And how did you get here? And I was like, I don't know. I was like, good question. It wasn't rude. She was cute. She was like, everybody else, everybody knew, you know, like, I don't know. I was like, I don't know how I got here. Yeah. Um, and so it just really was kind of this reluctant, like God pushing me, like, this is this is what you're gonna do. This is and with Zach. I mean, Zach was so supportive of everything, my husband. And so I don't know, yeah, you got the long version there. But that gathering just came out of friendship, then from meeting all these people and just saying, Would you want to do something together? Like, I think we need to work together for the gospel, which is and then it and then you know, we tried technology that had never been done. We really were cutting edge of the virtual conference world, I guess. And you know, back 12 years ago, people didn't host live and events everywhere, and so that kind of served us well.

SPEAKER_01 13:27

And it just women's women are powerful, like they just gather their people and the number of stories we are yeah, just I love thanks for the longer, a little longer version because the number of stories that they all start with uh a yes surrender moment. Like that first, like you don't know all the steps that are coming after us. Yes, yeah, but that first step on a bathroom floor, just on your whatever you want.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Yes, and it's awesome to see that you started with no followers, no influence, so to speak, and yet you have impacted our generation like so deeply. I know my wife is a big fan of yours, and she's read all of your books, and I just I like what how has that shifted since you got that word from the Lord, disciple of generation? What have you seen come true from that?

SPEAKER_05 14:20

I'm sure that could go on for well I my analogy right now is that I feel like I live in Narnia and I am Lucy. Wow, and all I did was ever say yes, yeah, and I just keep saying it. And I'm on his back and we're riding through Narnia, and I've seen monsters and witches, and that's real. Yeah. I mean, the spiritual warfare thing is real, and I've seen beavers talk, and I've seen things I can't that just don't make sense. I mean, anybody that gets to come with me, I wish I not the same the same person can't come with me everywhere. So I'm the only one that holds it in. I would say my best guess is over 40 rooms I have seen what I would term revival, and let me term that what I mean by that term. I have seen mass response to repentance, salvations, commissioning to ministry, mass in whatever size room. So in a prison in Las Vegas, 200 women, 130 stand up to receive Christ, 115 are baptized. I mean that was that was revival. Yeah, you can't tell me otherwise. You can't look at their faces and tell me otherwise. I have seen that in 40 to 50 rooms, uh 20, well, more than that, because 2018 I saw it for the first time. I was at Texas AN, an arena full of Gen Z was in the room for the first time. Nobody named Gen Z yet. It was just later I would look back and go, they were in the room for the first time. I I was I knew it. Something had shifted. And I did, I did a call for repentance and in an arena, they yelled out their sin for an hour. We I kept looking, who's now my pastor, but was over breakaway at the time. I kept looking at him. I didn't know him well at the time at all. And I just he was like, Keep going, keep going. So we stayed there for an hour because every time I would lift the mic, more people would yell, man. And so that was the first time I saw it. Then Baylor called and they were like, Will you come do what you did at AM at Baylor? And I was like, I don't even know what I did. I wasn't even planning to do repentance that night.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 16:26

And that one was actually one of my favorites I've ever seen. I mean, they oh, they had took a life of its own. They came up to microphones and started saying, uh, like, abortion no longer has power over me. Abortion no longer has power over Baylor's campus, suicide, suicidal thoughts no longer have power over me. Like they they took a life of their own. They started yelling into the mic. I've never seen that since. That lasted over an hour. Like that was insane. So that's so so that's been happening since 2018. Um, we were at passion together and that year together, right? And and did confession in that room. And that's 60 over 60,000 students. Um, I still have people walk up to me from that day saying, I've I want you to know, like, I confess something I never said out loud and I've never touched it since. Like, and so I want, I want to say, like, certainly people can look in at my life and my Instagram and and say, gosh, that's hype. And I and I'll go on and tell you more, but but I I've done it now long enough that now I hear the stories and I'm like, I you can you can say that the soils are varying and that some people go out and change that, some people don't, but you can't tell me that it hasn't changed lives because it's just I I meet them and they're they're called to ministry now. They went from sex addicted to to ministry, you know, that you anyway, you can't you can't argue with me. You could argue about it, but not with me. And so I've just seen over and over again in rooms God use old things. And so what I think God is doing, and and then again, we haven't even talked about gather, but God is doing something right now, I believe it is awakening. And I'm I'm gonna be bold, and y'all can edit it out if you disagree with me, or David, you can just say I disagree with her, but I'm gonna be bold and say I've been in too many rooms and I've seen it all over the earth. And you can't you you can't make it up that when we did gather, which we'll talk about in a minute, which was a global gathering of the church, we had to send crews around the world to tell stories. When we got the footage back from Germany, I was confused because it looked like Unite, which I've served with with my friend Tanya in 20 on 20 campuses. The pictures were the same, the baptisms were the same, it was confusing to me. They would do they were repenting, they were responding to the gospel, and they were baptizing. That's what I see as the three things that that we're doing everywhere and it's working. So I I'm sorry, I I think there's a unique thing happening, and I think it surpasses revival. I think it's the beginning of awakening. Now we can squelch it, we can we can divide and disobey our way out of it, but it's if if we pray it's careful to add any if because I think it's hit rooms that didn't even want it. So I I don't even know anymore. I I I think the right moves are we pray and we ask God for it.

SPEAKER_03 19:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 19:27

But for the first time three weeks ago, I saw it in a church. It has happened in churches before that I saw with my own eyes, where the whole room was responding to those same things, where repentance coming forward, people were parking an hour and a half, not a mile and a half away to get to the room. Um, there were I I did an altar call in a church on a prayer night Wednesday night and 200 people walk forward. Oh then the through the camera, I'm talking to the students in the other room because they're in a separate overflow space. And I said, if any of you want to come to come, come now. Well, it turns out they're on an eight-minute delay. So the pastor comes up and is like, Well man, hey Denny, those we had to wait eight minutes because they're gonna they're gonna hear this in eight minutes. And while we're waiting, we've been filling up the baptismal. If anyone wants to be baptized, come forward. So now we've got a hundred people that came forward to be baptized. We've got 200 people over here that just came forward to be saved, and then we've got students in another room that come in crying eight minutes later. So we've got I mean and the pastor are like trying to navigate all of these different groups of people that are up at the front. Like we have to give them all different instructions. And and so you just can't I can't, and they did repentance out loud in their church. I you you can't tell me that it's not real and happening because I'm just not doing anything that different or special or different from five years ago. The room's different, the harvest is different, and so it's the beginning of something for sure.

SPEAKER_01 21:05

Yeah, which I mean I I trust, well, uh yeah. I hope we all pray for like we want God to do what only God can do. We want the uh yes, and and we know biblically that repentance of sin just leads to yes desperation, yes, desperation is a powerful thing, and the and the blessing of God. Like He this is the one whom I esteem, who's humble and contrite in spirit and trembles at my word. Like I sort of inhabits the praise of people who are serious about their sin.

SPEAKER_04 21:43

I just think the world's getting so dark so fast. Oh, yeah, that that desperation is growing in people.

SPEAKER_00 21:48

Yeah, and people on social media are seeing it. Uh I mean we talked about this the other day, but I'm just like the non believers in this world are coming to a realization that this world is so broken. Yeah. So they're turning somewhere.

SPEAKER_05 22:01

They're wanting.

SPEAKER_00 22:01

And and I'm I'm discipling a guy right now. He's not even a believer yet. And he he's just like telling me all the easy, you know, softball answers to an evangelistic conversation. He's like, Man, I feel like I've just tried everything, and uh, there's like this hole in my heart that nothing fills. I'm like, that's God. Oh, that is God.

SPEAKER_05 22:18

Dude, that happens to me all the time.

SPEAKER_00 22:20

It's so awesome.

SPEAKER_05 22:21

It's like like this guy, this kid that's like seven foot tall walks up to me at one of these events and he's like, Jenny, tears running down his face. Running. He's not even wiping the face.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

It's like a college student. Yeah, college student. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:34

Running down his face. And he's, I just didn't know God loved me.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

Wow. Yeah. I'm like, uh-huh, oh man.

SPEAKER_05 22:41

I that's how I feel. I feel like we are literally doing the 101.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:46

And the 101 is blowing people's face.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Yeah. Because the 101 has power to blow people's face. 101 if it's possible. Yes, Jesus Christ. Yes.

SPEAKER_05 22:54

But they're hungry for it. And they want it, and they're sick of the world, and they've they they've had it and they're done. And I'll tell you to make your heart really extra happy. The other thing that is happening here is that.

SPEAKER_01 23:03

My heart's already one saying this is gonna make you really happy.

SPEAKER_05 23:07

This is like your lane, is how many of them are like I'm called to the mission field.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

Which, yeah, I I think that that's yeah, I'm convinced. Like I pray all the time for missional awakening. Like that. God open our hearts to see your great glory, the beauty of this gospel and why the nations need it in a way that uh no yeah, like yeah, I believe I can give the same mission talk a hundred times till I'm blue in the face, but until the spirit opens hearts and eyes, and there's awakening along those lines, then it's yeah, it's not well we gotta get you in front of Gen Z more because they are open to it.

SPEAKER_05 23:50

And you know, that's what happened at SEU.

SPEAKER_03 23:52

Yeah. Talk about that.

SPEAKER_05 23:54

Yeah. Yeah. So SCU. SEU Southeastern University. This was gosh now, two weeks ago.

SPEAKER_03 24:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:02

Not long. It just only ended Friday. So they they had an incredible conference. I mean, it was unbelievable lineup, and like God did amazing things. And I'm kind of coming in at the end, last day.

SPEAKER_01 24:14

This is like a just a normal conference. Spiritual conference or whatever. Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_05 24:21

They have it every year. And I'm coming in on the last day, and I'm sitting, it's 9 a.m. I'm sitting where I can see the room kind of like up. I can't explain how this room was set up. It's odd, but I could watch the room the whole time that day. And I I can't sing, I can't move. I'm sitting in my chair, and the only other time I've felt this way, I feel like I weigh 150 pounds more than I do. And the only other time I've ever felt this way was when I visited Asbury in the first days. So I got to Asbury before anybody had heard about it. A friend invited me, said something's happening. We went when I walked in the room at Asbury, there were 150 people in the room. So early, early days. No news trucks, no lines, nothing. The only other time I've ever felt that was at Asbury, physically, where you're just like, what is this? What is happening? And so I asked the Lord, and of course I had my message ready and I was about to go give it. And and I I was like, Lord, what is happening? What are you doing? And this is what I felt is that he was like, There's about to be an outpouring on this room, and this outpouring is gonna reach the ends of the earth. And I was like, What do you want me to do? And he was like, commission them to reach the ends of the earth. I was like, I don't unlike you, David. That's not my back pocket message. I have ten. That one is not in it.

SPEAKER_01 25:42

Whatever, that's it.

SPEAKER_05 25:43

I care about it, I talk about it.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

You're a Christian. I'm a Christian. You care about the face of God's voice.

SPEAKER_05 25:50

Like with all my verses and points to pull up on my iPhone.

SPEAKER_01 25:52

All right.

SPEAKER_05 25:53

I obviously I talk about missioning and but but emissions, you know, I just yeah, I don't give it every every day, okay, man. I'm sorry. Um, I do care about the globe, as you know.

SPEAKER_03 26:04

Yes, that's that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_05 26:06

So I was like, okay, okay. So I go up there, I'm like, I give an evangelism message, a reach the ends of the earth message. And then at the end, I just said, but you cannot set anyone else free till you're free.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

So again, let's repent.

SPEAKER_05 26:23

And so done it a hundred thousand times. And I was like, Do you right now yell out your sin? That wasn't what the message was about. And they start yelling out their sin. And then a girl in the back of the room, and this is who started her all. I can't wait to meet her. She's in the back of the room and she it pierces in a quiet moment because it wasn't quiet, like there was a lot of people talking, you couldn't hear it all. She yells out the top of her lungs, abortion. And I had a friend, TG and were charging their phone, so they were in the back of the room at the time. And they were standing right behind her. And they said, Jenny, before she says said it, she was he she was heaving. Like we noticed her. Oh my god. Because she was like couldn't like she was like heaving crying. And after she yelled it, she collapsed to the floor.

SPEAKER_03 27:13

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_05 27:14

And this is a religious environment. And I'm just telling you, for women, like that, I've watched that before. That is the hardest thing to say in a religious environment. The hardest thing. The room changed. Everybody's words got real. There were people yelling out sex addiction addiction, suicidal thought, pornography, everything. They were just yelling it all out. There was no it was no holds bar. Everybody said it all. And the room changed. Wow. And and people are wailing. Like you hear like wailing over sin in the room. And so I that goes way longer than I. Yeah, that's already over. So I'm looking at Jonathan and I'm going, he's the pastor, and I'm like, and he's like, you know, you're good. And so, but but I planned on doing a commissioning call because the that was what the message, you know, in my mind lended itself to. And so I walk off and I'm with Jonathan, and they're singing now. And I and I've already gone back up, share the gospel clearly, ask people to respond to the gospel. I've done that part work. Then I sit down and I'm like, okay, well I didn't get to that. And I told Jonathan, I was like, the one thing I didn't do that I wish we'd done is this. So he goes back up and he says, if you feel called to vocational ministry or to the mission field, will you come forward? Two-thirds of the room. I actually was proud of the people that didn't walk forward.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

There was a lot of pressure at that point.

SPEAKER_05 28:41

And and then I am like, if you do know what you just did, like let me be clear what you're committing to. I was like, some of you are gonna lose your lives, some of you are going to want to quit when you're 50 and you've been doing this. Like, let me let me just be clear what you just did, if you mean this. Um, but I did feel confident because I felt like that's what the Lord had said before. It was like, I'm gonna do something unique in this room and it's gonna reach the ends of the earth. So I did feel like there was a sincerity. And I actually asked the guy standing next to me who was, you know, look like a you know, big old linebacker, he and he's crying like a baby, and all these boys crying yet me every time. And he's just standing next to me. I was like, What did you come forward for? Why did you do this? He said, because I felt called to the mission field. And I was like, Do you know what that means? And he was like, Yes, and you could tell he did. I mean, the guy's weeping. And so, right after repentance, we could analyze this all day. Right after repentance, there's this mass commissioning to the ends of the earth. And and so then they're singing afterwards. Now lunch, it's the middle of lunchtime. Yeah, they've got class, they're supposed to go to class, and so they cancel lunch, and then they're like, What do we do next? And they just start meeting and praying every hour and and just saying, Lord, like what do we do? Because the hunger in the room, like nobody wanted to leave. They went on to worship for 10 days and nights.

SPEAKER_00 30:10

It's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 30:10

Um, it was similar to Asbury in that way. And I'll just say this about it because I posted about it, and of course, in the comments are like emotionalism and all these things. Okay, I want you to imagine just you us as adults, anybody listening that's an adult, not looking at your phone for six hours and singing for six hours straight. And just imagine that and what you would feel after three hours, four hours.

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Yeah. Tired.

SPEAKER_05 30:39

Try to I didn't eat that day. I was in the room till three a.m. Well, we switched rooms. We had to switch rooms because the rental was up or whatever the conference thing was. We had to go back to campus. I was in, but then we picked right back up. I was in the room from 9 a.m. to 3 a.m. It felt like a few hours. Uh none of us ate. Like it was, it was you can't explain it unless you've experienced it. And and it was an outpouring of the spirit to where you don't know what time it is, you don't want to leave, you don't want to look at your phone, you don't want to do anything but like be in the presence of God.

SPEAKER_01 31:12

Yeah. You said 9 a.m. to 3 a.m. I was in the room from 9 a.m. to 3 a.m. But they just kept it. And and I think I mean another follow-up question is don't you want to experience that? Like, don't you want to experience uninterrupted hours of prayer and worship and uh yeah, repentance and surrender and yeah, like we this is this is the one thing we seek, like to behold him and his beauty and inquire in his temple. This is Luke Tin, the one thing that is necessary. Just be at my feet. This is the good portion. Yeah, it won't be taken away from you. So anyway, oh yeah, I I yeah, I get something.

SPEAKER_05 31:58

I I get the people that want to go to the room, but I'm done, I'm done with that. I'm like, we've got to pray. Pray for it. Like pray for more of the spirit, but also know the cost. Like that girl paid the cost. It was physical for it.

SPEAKER_03 32:18

That's right.

SPEAKER_05 32:19

It was brave.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:21

And I mean, I I do believe I I think it was and everyone I've talked to agrees that was the moment. I felt it earlier, nobody else says they felt it before that moment.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:34

So I think God prepared me to leave that moment by allowing me to experience it early and to give the purpose to the room for it. So I was clear with Pastor Jonathan. I was like, listen, Asbury may have been for the whole world. SEU is for them. And I believe they'll persevere, like because they experience that, some of them will persevere in unthinkable circumstances 30 years from now that we can't imagine. So I really did feel like the commissioning was a part of it to where whatever happened for them in that room, they'll take with them as they as they go into service as the Lord, you know.

SPEAKER_00 33:18

I think it's just so cool because it's it's those experiences that kickstart and light the flame for more people on that campus. I'm just uh we talked before off camera just about what's happening in Austin, Texas, specifically. And it's just insane that the world sees Austin as this dark, secular place. It's the hub for the entire world. But I felt like a couple years ago when God burdened my heart for the lost in the city, that he said it was going to become like a beacon of light to the rest of the state, nation, that's right, and world. And I believe that it's happening. And it's not just our worship nights. Like you're saying, that that's the critique of everybody. It's like, oh, it's just emotionalism, it's just hype. But it's not just that. We are we are seeing hunger to go and be sent out into the streets to share the gospel, repentance, yeah, giving up idolatry. Like these are things that are uh I I love how I think it's Jonathan Bacluda put it. I was listening to his podcast like a few months ago. It's like revival is awesome, but it needs to start with me. Like if revival can start with me, if I can draw a circle around myself and say, Lord, don't let me leave this circle until revival starts within me, then I think if everyone can do that, yeah, we're gonna see some crazy things happen.

SPEAKER_05 34:29

That's right. And I think everybody wants to be in the room, but I do believe that God wants to be in the room with us. You know, like this is where where but again, it's like where are we holding back? Where's their division?

SPEAKER_01 34:44

Where's their distraction?

SPEAKER_05 34:46

Where is their um disobedience?

SPEAKER_01 34:48

Yeah, yes, yes. Yeah, where what in the room we're in, what's keeping uh this from happening? Yeah, that's true. Yeah, what's keeping God from moving in all the ways he wants to? It's I've just been uh just meditating on, memorizing Ephesians 3 to be filled with all the fullness of God. I just want more of his fullness. I want to see more of his fullness, I want to experience more of his fullness, and not just me. Like I want to be a part of the people who are experiencing more and more and more of his fullness.

SPEAKER_05 35:23

Um I want to kind of go back to just to tie because this definitely ties in to the conversation we had in the living room.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

unknown 35:30

Huh.

SPEAKER_05 35:31

Are you gonna be able to remember?

SPEAKER_01 35:32

That conversation?

SPEAKER_05 35:33

Yeah, because I remember well, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

I mean, yeah, totally. I've got I mean, I got all kinds of notes from that conversation.

SPEAKER_05 35:41

Uh because I think it is really relevant.

SPEAKER_01 35:45

Well, with God's doing in the global church specifically, with 10,000 said what was the number?

SPEAKER_05 35:53

Do you remember?

SPEAKER_01 35:53

Yeah, for sure. Well, yeah. Uh in fact, I I was just preaching on this this last week. Um uh but yeah, I I I'm convinced, and this is part of what we were talking about that night, like we don't need just hundreds or thousands more missionaries, we need hundreds of thousands and millions upon millions of Christians who are living for the spread of God's word in the nations. And I think it actually uh part of how that comes about is we need to like uh go far expand, I don't I don't want to say blow up, but far expand our horizons for what that looks like in practice in ways that are very different from the traditional uh methods and approaches that I think are part a significant part of the reason why three billion people have little to no knowledge of the gospel.

SPEAKER_05 36:45

So share kind of just go on that for a minute.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

Okay. Well, I mean, basically uh this is supposed to be our podcast asking you questions, but uh but this this this this definitely definitely goes down. Yes, it's totally relevant. Um so the reality is I I think we spend uh a good amount of put a lot of emphasis on okay, uh, who's gonna go to the nations? Uh and so there's goers and there's senders. Yeah. And basically you look at the data, and one out of 42,000 Protestant Christians signs up to be a goer. Okay. Like that's 0.002%. Yeah. Like that is a tiny percentage. And and by goer, what they usually think is, okay, I need to get specialized training, I need to become a missionary, I need to move to another country, probably not uh yeah, leave my job. I need to learn another language, or two languages, or three. I need to learn another culture. And most people are opting out of that. Or just saying, I don't think that's and so the reality is, okay, so 0.002% are going. And then those who are senders, like we spend, you look at the data, about point, ironically, about 0.002% of our resources getting the gospel to the places in the world where it's least where it's most needed. Uh so surely this is you put that together, that's like traditional mission strategy. That's what it's led to. And I think that looks a lot more like instead of a strategy to reach the nations, I think that's looks like a strategy that's demonic to keep the gospel from nations. Like that's that would be the strongest way to put it. Well, um, and that's not to say there's not and and I don't think the answer is double down on that strategy. So that now we have now we've got point like or quadruple it. Like now we've got 0.008% of us going and 0.008% of our resources are going to reach three billion people with the gospel. That's not what's needed. What's needed is a whole reorientation in our minds and our hearts about what it means to be a Christian and it means to live for God's glory among the nations, everywhere, all the time. Yes, which starts right here in Dallas among the nations here. Like, uh, like how to how to well, one, just reaching the your neighbor with the gospel is a part of a global mission. Uh making sure you're reaching neighbors that don't just look like you and think like you and talk like you and gather together in churches where everybody looks like you and thinks like you and talks like you. Um, because we're we're fooling ourselves we think we're gonna make disciples of the nations through our churches, but we're not even making disciples of the nations in our churches. Right.

SPEAKER_05 39:20

So well, yeah, it's like why we care way more about immigration policy than we do the fact that there are people from all over the world in our neighborhoods that we can for whatever yes, God has salvaged me. Yes, immigration. But we've got it. So let's take let's see it as a moment exactly.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

If I'm in the Uber yesterday with an Afghan, yes, God's brought him three feet away from me to share the greatest news in the world. How do we how so yeah, so but all that to say we live in such a different world than William Carey or an adnards and we're living in. Like we we can do air travel and go to any major city in the world today and have snacks along the way. This is amazing. Like we so, and then technology, yeah, globalization in the marketplace, uh, the opportunities that are that we have today. So there's more unreached people today than ever before in history. Yeah. And there's more opportunities to reach than ever before in history. Like, what a time to be alive. But it's gonna take all of us. It's it can't just be a few people. So I that's where it's like, how do we even reformat the way we're calling people and calling each other to mission in a way that says, no, this is for everybody, and now it's gonna look different in everybody's life for sure. And some people are gonna take jobs, or some people are gonna go on uh short-term trips or or here or there, or some people are gonna leave jobs and go, it's gonna look different, but we're all a part of this thing, and it's gonna take all of us. So that was the conversation. Uh, so this is that that's uh that's it's morphed some since that night. It has you basically you and Zach just basically looking into my life, just saying, Well, steward your life to uh yeah, you're part of that. Yeah, yeah, you did, you made it, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 41:06

But I do feel like you are uniquely gifted and suited, and radical is postured to bring a global heart to the West.

SPEAKER_01 41:20

Well, uh well, I I I hope you've done that for me. I hope, yes. I hope, and at the same time, so this gets him to gather because obviously the beauty is it's not just the West. Like it's this is our when I'm the more missionaries are going out from South America by I don't know that we're sent it, but lots. I just got back from Brazil, yeah, where five stadiums worth of people are so insane, repenting and and then saying we want to go. Uh so and and and that's not to mention said they wanted to go. I mean, it's it's crazy, and but not that's not to mention bad gatherings, and uh we were talking uh uh Noah's behind the camera here uh about Bangladesh, Myanmar, uh Nepal, India, like gatherings of brothers and sisters in those places packed out saying we want to be a part. I mean, Bengali speaking Muslims are one of the largest unreach people, it's probably the largest unreached people group in the world, but to see a room full of 18 to 30-year-old uh uh followers of Jesus in Bangladesh who now it's costly. Like I uh I mean, yeah, I when I got there, first sister I'm talking with that morning, she's like, Yeah, we have uh money set aside in our budgets for uh hospital bills where people get beaten and for for funerals. Um, like this is not easy, but this room packed full uh for days of people saying, we want to be responsible for taking the gospel of the nations here. And so, yes, I want us to like see ourselves as a part of this global family. So, yes, we've got a significant part to play from the West, but we are just uh part. And yeah, uh you've seen that.

SPEAKER_05 43:02

And there's the reality of how many individual Christians are just not even in the game.

SPEAKER_01 43:10

Just not even in the game in their personal lives and their neighborhoods, and they're gonna mobilizing 0.002%. Like, what are we doing? Like, this is for everybody, but this is the the way I put it in our church family this uh last Sunday was just like, okay, you guys, this is gonna it's gonna take all of us, and it's gonna take a very different understanding of Christianity than most Christians have. Yeah. Um, because we've got to see her, and but it's not new, it's like just the book ends of Matthew. Follow me, I'm gonna make you fishers of men. Now go and make disciples of all the nations. This is for all of us. Right. Uh this is what we're made for.

SPEAKER_03 43:47

So it's good.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

Uh you obviously have a desire not just to yeah, focus on one part of the world, like gather is like focused on the whole world. So

SPEAKER_05 44:00

We told stories from Antarctica, yeah. So yeah, there's seven, I think seven churches in Antarctica. Oh my learned that.

SPEAKER_03 44:08

That's amazing.

SPEAKER_05 44:09

Saw pictures of all of them. It's pretty cool. Um yeah, yeah, it's been fun. I mean, this was just another yes that we had no idea how to do, and we brought the world together. I think seven, oh well, seven million or more people. That was a conservative number, participated and watched. Um there were 86 languages we translate into. The Olympics hadn't even done that at that point. Um 85 of them were accessed. We saw the global church sing. We we went continent by continent. So we handed the baton to New Zealand. New Zealand handed it. Where were you? You were in.

SPEAKER_01 44:46

I was in a uh you you sent me in Southeast Asia. I was in Malaysia. Malaysia.

SPEAKER_05 44:51

Yeah, we handed. I think you were you you were uh morning here, so or something between New Zealand.

SPEAKER_01 44:58

I lost well you gave me like the three o'clock in the morning slide. I was just playing that role.

SPEAKER_05 45:02

What's that was so you know, we went for 25 hours and passed the baton all around. By the way, I mean, yeah, Asia was freaking unbelievable. And what it did, I don't know how much of it you got to watch, but we went to Africa next. Oh, everybody, I mean, it just blew London, it blew everybody's mind at exactly what you're saying, David, that the church is robust and healthy and we have the team. And we came together over what we knew we agreed on. We didn't ask people to agree on theology because we know that when I can't can't you imagine Jesus when he's you know giving the Last Supper and the incredible, you know, message that he gave at the end, you know, this is it, like this is what you need to know before I die. And he's like, be one as as we are one, yeah, Father, Son, Spirit. Do you think he meant in that moment agree on all theological issues, every interpretation of every verse?

SPEAKER_01 46:03

Like, no way. But you we did come together on some theology. Hold on. Let me get what did he mean?

SPEAKER_05 46:10

How one is saved. Jesus. Like we did come together around the gospel. We absolutely came together on some theological paints. It was definitely more of a conservative side of the church, there's no doubt. However, it was it within the conservative side of the church, it's very diverse. I mean, you have charismatics, you have we even had uh spirit filled Catholics. Like there was there was a lot going on, a lot of people involved. What we came together on is mission and salvation. That was what we agreed on. And and we were careful of what went out, right? We I had somebody watching every single second for 25 hours, she didn't sleep. And if there was anything, we are on a slight delay, if there was anything that was not biblically sound, we were like, you're out. So we control that content, you better believe it. But I just mean for a minute, the church agreed on like we love Jesus and we have a job to do, you know?

SPEAKER_03 47:02

So crazy.

SPEAKER_05 47:02

And our church is really big when you think of that. Like the church is really big. And so what we do is silo off into every kind of you know, camp. So I'm not someone who I mean, I you David knows this. I come from an insanely conservative side of the church. My theology is very uh buttoned up, uh, even though I've talked about my craziest side the whole podcast here. Um but I but I do believe that this is a moment for spirit and truth. And I'm watching the church grow, like the sides that are weaker on truth, I'm watching like desire for that because the world is getting so confusing and chaotic. And I'm watching the truth side of the church go, maybe we need more spirit. You know? Um, and I just think it called the times call for both.

SPEAKER_03 47:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 47:52

All the times call for both. But really, it's getting weirdly dark. And AI and where we're headed, it's just, I think we the church has got to be clear, the church has got to be filled with the spirit, and the church has got to be anchored in truth. Um, but in that moment in those days, yeah, it was every continent, it was all different types of churches, but man, it stayed pure and it was it was really beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 48:16

So good.

SPEAKER_05 48:17

Yeah. And then we're gonna do it again.

SPEAKER_01 48:19

So yeah, so it's coming uh 97th.

SPEAKER_05 48:22

You saw it. March, yeah, it's first we're gonna we're gonna try to do it every year. Okay. The first week in March every year. Gather.

SPEAKER_03 48:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 48:29

And then we'll have if gathering the first week in October every fall.

SPEAKER_03 48:33

All right, which is a huge gift.

SPEAKER_05 48:36

But um, we figured out what happened after gather is then everybody understood what it was. And so all these global pastors, instead of us saying like, would you, could you, they're like, could we like would you pick us? Yeah. So it just changed. So it's a little easier to get help and do this more.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

What's your what's your dream for that?

SPEAKER_05 48:58

So this came from a night that again, I'm showing all my weird sides, my my crazy sides on your podcast, David. I should show my DTS degree and all my Bible knowledge, but here I am. Um, these are the stories, right? Like I feel like a reporter right now on like things of God that I'm getting to see. But I had a dream, vivid dream that Jesus was coming back in 10 years. This was in 2022. And when I woke up, I was like, what should we do? And it's exactly it was the same heart. It was mobilize the church. It was if the 2.5 billion people that say they're believers would share the gospel, we could get it to the end of the year, that wouldn't be a problem. So I was like, let's just have a big meeting, let's just pull everybody together and make sure we're all on the same page. But of course, the first one felt like a pilot. We didn't know what we were doing, the technology had never been used. So now that we're, you know, in 27, it will feel like okay, everybody come together. Let's make sure we're on mission together. Let's let's mobilize every individual in their place to be a missionary, to share the gospel. And so that's my prayer is that the gospel gets to the ends of the earth. We're gonna share those stories of it happening, but we're also that will inspire people. But ultimately, our hope is everybody that participates walks out and it's like, I can take one, I can take two.

SPEAKER_01 50:14

So good. Come on. Yes. The church united around Jesus, salvation and mission, and and doing it together. Doing it together, encouraging each other as we do it together.

SPEAKER_05 50:28

I just think we've got to keep things simple right now. For the reasons we talked about earlier. Yeah, the little seven-foot boy that was like, Shinny, I just didn't know God loved me. And I was like, Well, I'm really glad I got stuck.

SPEAKER_03 50:38

That's yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 50:39

Let's just not forget.

SPEAKER_03 50:41

Amen.

SPEAKER_05 50:41

If there's pastors listening, if there's leaders listening, if don't forget, there's people walking in the northern that have never gone to church. Why? Because the hunger is more than it's ever been right now.

SPEAKER_01 50:51

Yeah. And I love even that the our the seven-foot dude. That's like spirit and truth. It's like the most beautiful truth in the world. Yeah. God loves me so much. So simple. And yet, how many people hear that and there's no effect? But he's like weeping over it because the spirit is opening his eyes and his heart to that reality. We want that all over the world. And we want that.

SPEAKER_05 51:18

I thought God was disappointed in me. And I was like, dude, like, there's no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Like, do you know Jesus? You know, and and we have to give the answer, right? The answer has to be clear for people to receive it.

SPEAKER_00 51:30

That's that is the perfect combination of spirit and truth. It's that the spirit convicted. We're talking about the seven-foot guy a lot, but he convicted him. He came forward, and you got to remind him of the truth. Yeah. And that's the perfect commingling of what God said. This is this is what my church is going to live and thrive. Spirit entrance.

SPEAKER_01 51:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 51:49

Don't forget.

SPEAKER_01 51:50

Yes. We haven't even talked about this. Like it's the lie you don't know you believe. Uh, like, all right, tell us about this. Yeah. This is how many, how many books is this for you?

SPEAKER_05 51:58

I think it's number five.

SPEAKER_01 52:00

Okay. Uh, yeah, tell us about this.

SPEAKER_05 52:02

I'm a content girl. Like, I can tell you my next three. Like, I really think I I think in content.

SPEAKER_01 52:08

You guys also you got three more in the harbor. Wow. Well, that makes me want to ask what those are. But we can't.

SPEAKER_05 52:13

Well, yeah, I really am excited about the next one. Not today.

SPEAKER_01 52:16

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 52:16

Um, this one, you know, this was I'm on the road. I'm I'm watching people come to Jesus. I'm looking at the church and going, where are you? Like, the harvest is plentiful and the labors are few. Like, come on, everybody in the game now. Yeah. And this to me is the problem is somewhere and likely and usually, it is in childhood, a lie gets planted that you believe you are one of three things, which is um what or all, which is psych 101. This is just common knowledge. I am helpless, I am worthless, I am unlovable. Those are the three primary lies that humans believe about their identity. And, you know, we can get into the theology of this, why this is a Christian book and not a self-help book. The lie under the lie of those things is that you could be in control, not helpless. You could be liked by everybody, that you finally would arrive at that, or that you could finally do something important enough or big enough or successful enough that you would finally matter and not be worthless. So that would be the world's answers to that. And that's a scarier lie than the enemy kind of tells all of us, even as believers. And so we strive, we use all our energy to try to make sure this happens. But we know in John A, scripture tells us that the tr we will know the truth and the truth will set us free. But I really believe that the truth isn't just a Bible verse, right? The truth is a person, and the truth is a kingdom. And the more you practice living in that kingdom, and the more you practice walking with that person, Jesus, that these the way of living in the world feels silly. It just feels silly. And so, like this week, you know, I'm launching a book, and I mentioned to a girlfriend vulnerably, this was hard for me to say, that I was nervous. Several of my last books have hit big lists and been very successful, and I just I'm nervous that you know, about that coming up and if that's gonna happen. And and she starts laughing really hard, and she loves Jesus and it was very emotional. And she said, Well, if you keep hitting New York Times, people aren't gonna like you. And I was like, I just started dying laughing. She was like, It's just getting annoying. And I was like, and what she did, it wasn't about New York Times, and it wasn't about people not liking me. It was about this is a stupid game.

SPEAKER_01 54:42

Yes, yes. Like, why am I even gonna get a game? This is a stupid game. It's not a game.

SPEAKER_05 54:47

Now there's a real game. I feel it in a room. Yeah, I baptized a girl that had been an atheist, a woman who had been an atheist her entire life, and I saw her husband weeping, saying, I prayed for this for a decade, prayed for this for so long. That's the real game. Yeah, you know, and so I know that when I'm saying that out loud and when I do care about it, and I will and you better believe, like, you know, I'll f I'll feel something if I do and if I don't, but I know the game. Like I know the game I'm in.

SPEAKER_03 55:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_05 55:23

And the more I stay in that world, that kingdom, and live for that kingdom, and keep pray for that kingdom and think about that kingdom and fight for the glory of God in that kingdom and the good of people in that kingdom, the less I really care.

SPEAKER_03 55:36

Yeah, so you can't.

SPEAKER_05 55:36

And it's like I s and I get worse over there, right? I don't have to fight for it. I don't have to hit over there in that kingdom. Be loved completely to the point of he died for me and he delights over me.

SPEAKER_03 55:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:50

And like today I'm going, I'm gonna speak at if gathering, and that used to make me anxious. It's a lot of people through the camera. It's a lot of people, and and I lead the thing and I'm hosting and I'm doing all these moments, and I used to feel pressured by that. And now, in this, because I've lived more in this kingdom, I'm kind of like, what are we doing tonight, God? Like, I'm prepared, it's not that, it's just I can't wait. Like, I can't wait to see what you're gonna do. And there's so much freedom in that kingdom. Yes, and I just I love I love riding with God. I love being on the back of a lion. I love seeing what he sees and doing what he wants to do. And um, and I never would have dreamed up everything I've just shared on this podcast.

SPEAKER_02 56:26

None of it would I have picked up none of it.

SPEAKER_05 56:29

Yes, none of it when that little girl is confessing and like pouring out her heart on her bathroom floor, like none of these things could I have dreamed or probably would have wanted to do. I probably would have meant to people pleaser. I didn't want to lead a Bible study of 200 people, you know? So so isn't he fun? And I just I think I live now just with an ease and a joy that it's just up to him. And I say sometimes I feel like he asked me to play in the NBA, and I'm still just Jenny Allen from Texas, white girl, five four, you know. And but I'm playing in the NBA, so and I'm dunking and I'm watching all this happen. But I'm very well aware of the the discrepancy between Jenny Allen and white five four girl and NBA player. I'm very clear, and that gap to me is fun. That gap to me is like, let's see, God, how you're gonna gather the whole global church on every climate. Let's see.

SPEAKER_00 57:30

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 57:31

So good. So it's Jimmy Allen, Lucy and Narnia. Yeah, Sherman riding on Aslan, just experiencing.

SPEAKER_05 57:41

I highly recommend it. Everyone should say yes to God.

SPEAKER_01 57:44

Yes, that's the thing. That's the thing. It's uh not every story, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:48

It's an adventure.

SPEAKER_01 57:49

Not every story is a Jimmy Allen story, it's not an Austin story, it's not a me story. Like, that's the beauty. He's got uh he's got rides for all of us, and and it is yeah, I mean, yeah, in the middle of it, and we referenced it. Uh like, yeah, we've talked about I love the way you put it earlier, uh, just in our friendship. There's been dreaming and there's been just walking through dark days. Yeah. And uh, and so it's not it's yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:17

I mean, again, I always say Narnia, it's like the beavers talk, but the witches and monsters are real.

SPEAKER_03 58:21

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 58:22

So there's a real, you know, there is a real game. And I think, I think more than anything, the enemy, the lie you don't know you believe is it's the oxygen you're breathing. You don't even know, you don't even know that pressure that you feel you don't have to feel it. You don't even know that measuring up your entire life and trying to earn love, you don't have to feel it. You don't know. You don't know you have to don't you don't have to play the game until you see it all. And then when you see it, it's not that it never creeps back in, it's that I name it really quickly. So when I feel myself feeling pressure, I know that that's probably a good sign that I've shifted kingdoms, right? Like I'm back trying to please and one thing I learned in this book, in this project, is the enemy's more powerful than we give him credit for.

SPEAKER_03 59:03

That's one thing I'm gonna talk about tonight, is just there's his voice, his power on earth.

SPEAKER_05 59:10

It certainly has limits.

SPEAKER_03 59:11

Wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 59:12

But it's functioning in an unrestrained way that it that one day it will not, right? Like today, he has more power and he's good at his job. He's really good at his job. And so I think to to know what it is that you've been believing that you, you know, at five years old, ten years old, whatever age you were, kind of snuck in because something happened, something was said, never forgotten it, and it's just grown. And it's you know, it's so funny. I'll talk to people and they'll bring out their evidence. Let me show you. But they have it, they have it, and of course, because the world's broken and we are unloved at times and we don't measure up at times, and we are helpless against diagnoses and things. You know, you you can show the evidence. I'm just saying, God's saying you just don't have to live for that. Like you don't have to. That's not the that's not the end.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:02

I'm so inspired by that. I mean, it's just the the truth of we talked about this on another episode. Something I felt like the Lord is saying. It's like the devil himself, okay, doesn't even believe the lies he says about you.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:13

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:14

So why should we? Why should we believe the lies that he is saying? He knows what he's doing, he knows what he's doing. He's the father of lies, he's the deceiver, the accuser. Uh, but we have one who is way more powerful, who stands in the gap, who intercedes for us on our behalf, Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:29

Um and Jenny, I we could sit here for and make sure to emphasize the lie you don't know you believe. Go and get it. Find it, fight it, and live free. Um and I I love like this, yes, this book's coming out like right now. Uh it'll be out by the time this is but like your your zeal to talk about, yes, you want to talk about what's written in here, and but it's I want to talk about what God's doing around the world. I want to talk about riding on the tack of Islam. Uh so we we honor you. Yes. I mean, praise God, praise grace in your life, and you and Zach in the journey in the yes that's led to a thousand other steps since then. You praise God. Honor God's grace and your team, some of whom are sitting behind a camera, this camera right now, and all that they do. Yes, uh, yeah, and just treasure friendship, partnership together, and the gospel. Me too. Love you guys.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:20

Grateful, gracious.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:21

You too. Uh, would you would you pray for everybody listening to this right now and just for the fruit of the spirit to lead and guide whatever he wants to do from this conversation.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:35

Holy Spirit, we we thank you that you are on the move.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:42

Thank you, Jesus.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:43

We thank you that many are receiving the gospel. Yes, and we pray that we wouldn't miss the good works that you prepared in advance for us to do.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:54

Yes, God.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:55

God, I imagine that, you know, y'all are in heaven, angels and Trinity, just just cheering right now, leaning forward, the cloud of witnesses, just leaning forward, saying, Come on, team, like, come on, team 2026. Like, bring it home, you know. And I I don't know when you're coming. I just know that we want to live as if it's tomorrow. I want to give everything we've got for your kingdom. It's over every person listening that feels like they've held back or reserved something for some reason. And and a lot of times that's a lie that we believed. It's it's like I just don't think I would have a part. I just don't think God could use me. I don't, I don't think you have anything special for me, or I'm in this horrible marriage, or I'm in this difficult season with my kids, or whatever it is, Lord. I just pray that you would give them vision today, right? Even as as they're driving, as they're walking. God, I pray for a vision from you, God, to just what neighbor should they call? What what little part of their life that that they're already in that they've never seen as a mission field, could they see as a mission field? God, I just pray for every person, God, we would just lay everything we got. And I pray that again for myself. Like, what, where, God, do you have good works that I just I've missed because I'm looking into the left when when there's something to the right, show us. We don't have to feel stressed by that. God, we don't have to feel anxious about that. We get to just rest that your spirit can lead us if we are, if we are surrendered and so I pray for more surrender for the church. Yes. God, I pray that every person that can hear our voice, God, would get on their knees today like I did on the bathroom floor and just say, I'm in. Yes. I will do whatever you want me to do. I will sell whatever you want me to sell. I will, I will go wherever you want me to go, and I will talk to whatever neighbor you want me to talk to. Because God, let's be real. A lot of times that's where the life change happened. That's where you've set us. So, God, would you make our hearts right? I pray even for a repentance right now. Yes, I pray that that the church, even today, as they're listening, God, would just say the thing they're scared to say. God, they would text it to a friend. They would, they would say it out loud to their spouse, they would say the thing they're afraid to say, God, because the power, the darkness, it binds us in in isolation and silence. So I pray today that that things that need to be named would be named.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:07

Thanks, God.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:08

God, we we thank you that we get to co labor with you. Thank you. Yes, yes. You have invited us into your mission. So fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:15

So thanks so much for listening to this episode of Everyday Radical. Pray that it encouraged you in many ways. We do this every single week. So be sure to subscribe or follow to not miss out the next episode. We'll see you then.