DISCUSSION: England, Brazil, Belgium & South African Squad Selections

Declan Link, Paul Schmidt-Troschke & Jon Bonfiglio come together to discuss stories emerging from the national team selections of England, Brazil, Belgium and South Africa. 

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SPEAKER_03 0:29

Welcome back to World Cup Football, etc. Four words which will soon become three. As remember, after the World Cup, we will be shifting the title to World Football, etc. So it's three really simple words to remember that do exactly what they say on the tin. World football and then other stuff. I am John Porfiglio in uh Mexico, and all being well, we should also have on the line Paul Schmidt-Troschka, also joining us from another part of Mexico. Hello, Paul.

SPEAKER_00 1:00

Hello, John.

SPEAKER_03 1:01

And hello, Declan. Yes, well, let's let's just see if if uh joining us from Orlando, Florida, Declan is there. Hello, Declan.

SPEAKER_04 1:11

Howdy all. How are y'all doing? Y'all fine or maddy fine this evening?

SPEAKER_03 1:16

Sometimes I feel when we do this at the beginning of a show that it's a bit sort of Ouija boardy, you know, it's like we're sort of holding hands and uh and sort of casting, opening ourselves up to the spirits to see who responds. And I think Declan, with your with your choice um American accent that you've come back with there, it certainly felt as though uh this is something of an out-of-body experience. So I massively appreciate it.

SPEAKER_04 1:40

Yeah, that wouldn't stand in Boston or New York or Chicago, but that's my best attempt at a southern accent. So there you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:46

You'd be nutted in Boston. Uh a burley, white, uh, Irish descendant, descended Bostonian would look at you and just nut you, I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:58

If you No, it'd look at me as being a plastic paddy with my mum being from Ireland and my dad being half Irish. I think I could easily pass as a plastic paddy. But if I tried that accent on, I think it'd probably still give me the old Glasgow handshake.

SPEAKER_03 2:11

You've you've you've kind of got that sort of um that everyman smile, that sort of get yourself uh out of trouble with uh with uh sort of with a half sentence. Presumably you've you've you've been close to trouble many times in in the past, but you've always managed to sort of squirm your way out of it.

SPEAKER_04 2:28

Yeah, my um one of my one of my fantasy lead teams that some of the the lads here will appreciate. I forever the name of my team has been Posh Ginger Hooligans, because um that's the way I am. I'm posh, I'm ginger, and I have been in the past a bit of a hooligan.

SPEAKER_03 2:43

You cover all bases. I bet you've you've really dropped some of your friends uh into the um into the proverbial murder uh during the course of your life. But let's uh this is these are all other stories which uh are not for today. Today we're gonna be talking World Cup squads. Uh we're gonna be looking at England and um uh talking about Belgium a little bit and um South Africa and and Brazil, which we've already touched on a little bit, but maybe let's start on the on the big one on the England selection, which uh Declan, you trailed for us a couple of days back, and you were pretty much 100% right about.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

Yes, I mean the one I've actually regretted not including in the little pre-chat we had earlier on this week in one of the earlier podcasts about England was I had actually shouted out Ivan Tony on two or three previous podcasts that I would love to see him in the squad. So when I woke up this morning after the squad had been announced, I was very pleasantly surprised to see Ivan Tony back in the squad. I it defies all type of logic as to why, in many respects, Thomas Tougal has brought him back in because he took him to Villa Park for a friendly against Andorra, never played him. He came on for two minutes against Senegal at Nottingham Forest Ground at the end of the game, and then he's missed out on any of the camps since then. So, how in Thomas Touchal's mind he has come to the decision that the three main forwards would be Harry Kane, Ivan Tony, and Ollie Watkins is beyond belief. But as I said, I'm more than happy as a forward myself. He just offers so much, in my humble opinion.

SPEAKER_03 4:23

So, yeah, let's stick with Tony for for a minute. So, in in to my mind, it is a logical decision for my for reasons maybe we'll come to in a second. But what's illogical, as you say, is actually the fact that he hasn't been selected up until this point. It's the fact that this is a last-minute decision that's been made by Thomas Tuchel to bring him in. Whereas you would have thought that um if um this can't be a last minute thought, right? So surely you would want to bring him into the fold on a more ongoing basis prior to this final selection.

SPEAKER_04 4:57

Yeah, I mean, his record in in the Saudi Arabian League has been sensational this year. He's I forget what the stat is, but I know.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

No, it's 32 from 32.

SPEAKER_04 5:06

Okay, it I mean it's sensational, better than Cristiano Ronaldo. And uh, you know, there are there are Portuguese players who are playing in uh the World Cup in the Portuguese squad uh who play in um uh Saudi Arabia, including the obvious one, Cristiano Ronaldo. Uh the French uh midfield uh who's I'm having a blond moment, who plays in Saudi. No, he plays in Turkey now, but he played there for two years. Um, who used to play for Leicester and Chelsea, I'm having a blonde moment. He he's in the square he's in the French squad, which is incredible. So the fact that um Ivan Tony is actually playing in Saudi Arabia shouldn't be held against him, but his goal scoring record, his penalty ability, the fact that he is a unit and he just offers something different if we are chasing games. And then also I heard on the radio today that Thomas Tuchel claims him and Harry Kane can actually play up front together. He just offers so much more, and then complement that with as I called out on the podcast earlier on this week, since Ollie Watkins was not allowed, was not called up for the two squads for the squad against uh Uruguay and Japan, he's pulled his finger out, and Oli Watkins has been sensational since then. So he fully deserves to be the other sort of main forward, even though in the forward section they're including Anthony Gordon, which I approve, Harry Kane, obviously I said I approve, Marcus Rashford, I approve. Uh Bukayo Saka, completely agree. Um, Ivan Tony, Oli Watkins. The other one that I have a big question mark is is Noni Madawake.

SPEAKER_03 6:40

Can I just apologize to all of our blonde listeners for any offence given during the previous segment? Um Declan was uh Declan Link was talking euphemistically and did not mean any disrespect disrespect to any of you lighter haired individuals. So apologies in uh in advance and in retrospect um for for that. But uh your analysis, um Declan Spawn, can you just um just sort of break down what you what Ivan Tony's unique characteristics that make him so selectable for a World Cup tournament are?

SPEAKER_04 7:17

I sort of touched on it just then. I mean, he he is a proven goal scorer. He you know, he he he is one of the best, if not the best, penalty takers in the world. He is a handful, he can be a target man, he can be good on set pieces, uh, he can obviously score goals from open play. And he, you know, I I thought the reason that he wouldn't get selected was that he just didn't fit that mould of what a uh you know a well-behaved football association, English football association player um would would do with regards to his image and what he does off the field. But again, that's why I'm being controversial. That's why I like Tuchel in some respects, is that he's prepared to make sometimes the hard decisions. Now, I don't always agree with him, and talking you know, about the midfield and the defense for this squad, that's another story. But the fact he stuck his neck out and put faith in Ivan Tony for all of those attributes, I think is a is a very good sign for Thomas Tuchel.

SPEAKER_03 8:20

Well, I thought um obviously Tuchel's a countryman of yours. I thought one of the things which was interesting about Tuchel's statements alongside the the announcement of the squad was the fact that he said that this was a uh that he'd selected the best team and not the most talented individuals, which um sort of seemed to be a nod back to some of England's um historical problems at uh at finals and at World Cup tournaments.

SPEAKER_00 8:46

Uh yeah, I think uh there are going um a little bit more variables into his uh into his uh yeah selection method. Um we've talked about this on the podcast already a couple of times, of course. The uh is expected um with uh with uh one of the biggest super lineas, I think, in a decade, uh in a century. Um so you always uh have to select not only for talent, but also for like uh flexibility and the ability to perform, still perform good uh and uh up to the individual potential under these conditions. And also, if you think back um at the friendlies, uh you had most of these players which were left out now on the field, um, on the pitch. And I mean, uh to be blunt, there had to be made some radical changes in the squad. Um, because uh what what we've seen there would have maybe uh uh yeah landed English out. Um so yeah, that's that's basically my take on it. And I mean Thomas Tuchel is um, I would say known to be uh very able to make uh quite uh quite radical decisions, um go with them and actually succeed with them.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

Yeah, and I guess at least what what I appreciated from that press conference or from that announcement conference was that he actually at least gave he sort of backed up his decisions, he gave on the whole logic around them. And it did feel, I mean, whether this the proof will be in the pudding, as they say, but um, but the how he spoke does suggest that there are pretty key core values around what this England side is looking to achieve and how they're looking to represent the um the nation. He also said something else that was that was interesting, um, Declan. He said um when asked about whether this was a squad of winners, he quoted Rafa Nadal, the the tennis player, Spanish tennis player, and said, and um used a phrase which he uses to say that he's he doesn't define himself as a winner, he defines himself as a competitor, as somebody who goes in to challenge for uh for titles and for trophies. And I just thought that was a also again almost very literate to English footballing history because there's always this sort of this this this euphoria when you come up when England comes up to a tournament about uh potential winners and all that kind of stuff. But what the way he sort of set up the discourse was to say basically we want to compete, we want to be among the best in the world, and the rest to some extent is is out of our hands.

SPEAKER_04 11:28

Yeah, I mean, that's one of the titles I saw of the squad. I mean, I've I've been a big proponent and and cheerleader for Thomas Tuchel, apart from obviously when I sent the report back after the Japan game at Wembley five, six weeks ago. But um again, he's he's he's prepared to to to to make big decisions, and and one of the titles I saw for this the way this squad was described today was bold, baffling, but somewhat balanced. And you can sort of see that logic that he's put in there, because uh, you know, and although I don't think Nodi Maduweki should be in a squad, you know, he is cover for soccer. Saka and him are very good friends, so there's gonna be no controversy, there's gonna be no toxicity. You know, if one plays and the other one doesn't, they're just gonna be good buddies about it. Um, same sort of thing with with um with Jude Bellingham and Morgan Rogers. Apparently they're good friends, although they're gonna be competitive and want to start and play. That's maybe why Gibbs never got a look in, because too Thomas Tuchel doesn't think, you know, injuries aside, that Morgan Gibb White, Gibbs White will actually get any time there. So they they they you know that that's why they you know for whatever reason have brought Henderson in. Well, just one just going back to the blonde thing, John. I know this is gonna confuse you massively, but I just got a couple of texts in, uh, and the blonde people in Scandinavia are actually okay because Bjorn in Oslo and Ulrika in Malmo, big proponents of World Cup, etc., have just said everything that I said was perfectly fine. They have blonde moments themselves, so we're we're okay. Um so yeah, I I think Tuchel, you know, has sort of shown his real personality with this squad by making hard decisions that a lot of people are not gonna necessarily agree with, but ultimately the proof will be on the put in the pudding if they get to the final at MetLife Stadium and if they raise the trophy.

SPEAKER_03 13:34

If if yeah, we'll we'll we'll see. Um but but the rhetoric is the rhetoric is is is sound for sure. Um let's move to um to Belgium, if Belgium, if we might, and uh one particular selection, Jaclyn, which has caught your eye.

SPEAKER_04 13:52

Yes, John. Um I actually hadn't finished talking about England. There's quite a few other positions I wanted to talk about, but yeah, the the the story about um Belgium is uh that Romulu Lukaku has been included despite hardly playing this season and being described as inverted commas out of shape. So I was fortunate to witness Belgium Croatia in Doha. We got incredible tickets through one of my contacts where we were 10 rows down from Uncle Johnny and in the proper FIFA um elite people area, and that was Roma Lukakha had an absolute shocker in that game. He must have missed you know 15 really golden chances that even you and uh PST would have scored. So, you know, the fact that Lukaker has hardly played this season and is out of shape just defies logic as well. But that's Belgium's problem, not our problem.

SPEAKER_03 14:51

He's a bit feisty today, is Declan Paul. Have you ever been um he's insulted all of the blondes out there and then come back with subspurious texts uh being sent in to his phone from Scandinavia saying it's fine, and now he's insulted our footballing prowess. Um, is this is this something you're you're gonna struggle to recover from? Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_04 15:14

I'm just worried that one of you two somehow have a distant relation called Jordan Henderson because we can't talk about England squad without talking about Jordan.

SPEAKER_03 15:23

All right, all right, let's come. All right, tell us about Jordan. Sorry, Paul. It's a minute. Uh uh sorry, Declan, how do you feel about Jordan Henderson's selection for the World Cup squad?

SPEAKER_04 15:34

Uh, we don't need a cheerleader. England don't need a cheerleader who is hardly going to get any minutes at all. Mike gets thrown on for four or five minutes at the end of a game we've already won. Um, he's taking he's taking a place in the squad away from arguably Gibbs White, Adam Wharton, um, Cole Palmer or Phil Foden. You know, although I can see the argument as to why Phil Foden and Cole Palmer haven't been included in this squad. But there is no one on this planet who's and knows anything about football who needs a cheerleader, or as they say in youth soccer here in America, every youth soccer team has a team mum who does all of the stuff to make sure everyone's okay out off the field, you know, make sure they've got the right uniforms on, the right kits on, make sure that they've got enough water for hydration, make sure there's no toxicity and arguments between the team players. Jordan Henderson is there for that reason alone. So if he's there for that reason alone, make him a coach. Don't make him a player taking up one uh one of the other player slots for one of these very good midfield players who could actually help us out if we do go deep into the tournament.

SPEAKER_03 16:46

I the only the only way sorry, Gronple.

SPEAKER_00 16:50

I mean, uh, I think uh John, uh to your note on on uh the harassment coming from uh from Declan today, I think we found uh the source of it. Um and he was trying to camouflage it with uh uh attacking us instead of his uh beloved England.

SPEAKER_03 17:05

Yes, he's ants, he's angsty, isn't he?

SPEAKER_04 17:08

Today, our uh our friend across the water in there's I think there's a lot to talk about, and again, it's subjective and up to individual opinions, but there's some very, very strange choices in Thomas Tuchel's squad. Uh, not only Jordan Henderson in midfield, but uh across the back line, the nine defenders that they've selected. There's some massive scratch-your-head moments with some of the players they've selected back there.

SPEAKER_03 17:33

Let's go let's come to those in a second. Um, the the only way I can see Jordan Henderson getting some minutes is if England are sort of uh up by a goal, and then there's they want to close out the game, uh, they've got 15 minutes left or whatever it might be, and then you bring Henderson on hypothetically to tighten up and hold on to the lead. But that smacks of sort of standard, and again, kind of historic negativity that England have have engaged in. And this is where I just don't understand that selection or or the Tony selection as well, a little bit, even though, again, I've got no issue with the Tony selection, I've just got an issue with uh with a lack of continuity that has led to him emerging from from nowhere at this point. But Tuchel clearly thinks through the game, so um, and he's aware of what's going on. And he may mess things up, but you can't argue that there is some kind of logic there. But it just seems to me that the the the the Henderson logic doesn't really hold water.

SPEAKER_04 18:34

It really doesn't. You talk to 90% of people who know the game and they're like, Really? What is he thinking?

SPEAKER_03 18:41

Um, okay, so defenders, so across the back line. Um, talk us through uh how you're feeling about um where England are gonna concede goals.

SPEAKER_04 18:51

I mean, the goalkeeper's completely fine with them, they pick themselves. Um, Mark Gahey, Manchester City, he's a dead cert for a starter. Ezri Conza, probably going to be the other starting centre back. Nick Nico O'Reilly, young kid from Manchester City, um, probably gonna be the starting left back. Um the starting right back, who knows? I mean, Rhys James is the bet England's best right back, uh no question, but he's always injured. He's he's you know, he's he's always injured. So, you know, he spent quite a bit of this season on the bench for Chelsea. Who knows whether or not he's gonna be able to survive the incredible heat and humidity over here in the States and possibly Mexico? Um, the you know, some of the other selections. I mean, I I'm I've always been a big fan of John Stones, but John Stones has only played four Premier League games this season, played some random cup games, but always seems to be fit for the England tournaments, the big tournaments. And I'm a big fan of his, so I'm not going to argue with Tuchel about that. The one I'd really question is Dan Byrne, Newcastle United. And the justification Thomas Tuchel said was that he can play at left back as well. So can you imagine a six foot seven left back playing against Laminia Mell, Mbappe, or Vinicius Jr. It's just ridiculous that Dan Byrne has been included in the squad over someone like Harry Maguire, even though Harry Maguire has the same issues from a pace perspective. Harry Maguire has got a lot more experience. Harry Maguire has played in the massive games in his life and is also more of a uh a potential um threat on set pieces. And Thomas Ducal admitted in his conference today that set pieces, you know, very trendy, very modern, very fashionable, are going to be part of England's armory there this year. Um the other the other one I really question is um Jed Spence. I mean, absolutely ridiculous. He doesn't, he can't even get in the Tottenham team. So why is he playing why is he in the England team? Just because he's fast. That doesn't that defies logic as well. And then the other the other one that some people are questioning is Tino Livramento from Newcastle, who has been injured for the last month. But I guess Thomas Tuchel has calculated that you know, with a month of training in Florida, over here in Florida, uh, and then the the camp in Kansas before the game start, that he he'll be up to speed by then. And he can play right back and left back. I still I still think, like I said on the podcast earlier on this week, Luke Shaw, after a great season for Manchester United, with all of his experience and the fact his batteries are not you know worn out because Man United got knocked out of all of serious competitions this year, um, should have been including the squad.

SPEAKER_03 21:43

Um thanks for that, uh Declan. Any any other um omissions, any other final bits that um you you you want to sort of um vent out before we before we move across or or is No the two the other two is Phil Foden probably doesn't deserve to be called up into the squad because because

SPEAKER_04 22:00

Because he's he just hasn't done it this year. And and Pep Guadio, uh no, uh Thomas Tuchel actually admitted by the end of the season, you know, after the FA Cup final against Chelsea, even Thomas Tuchel wasn't sure what position Phil Foden is is best at. And Phil Foden had a good chance in the last uh two games at the end of March to show the business case as to why he should have been included, and he didn't do that. So that was an opportunity gone. And then Cole Palmer has obviously been off it off his game most of the season. Uh he played okay in the FA Cup final, but Cole Palmer's there's rumors that he might have an injury that he's been sort of uh trying to overcome all season, and that actually it's more of a reason for him not to be in the squad is the fact he needs to recharge his batteries, he needs to have an operation and then get through so he's ready for the next season. I question, and I heard and Stan Colymore was saying this today on on Talksport, is that if England get him to the quarterfinals and the semifinals and they are struggling in a game or they need a game changer, you look down the bench, that's when you need Phil Foden and Cole Palmer, and they're not going to be there.

SPEAKER_03 23:12

Yeah, uh they're almost, I think they come into the same bracket, right? They're hugely talented individuals, but who've really not fired this season. But again, if we think about the the logic that Tuchel has employed with some of those some individuals across the back line who really haven't fired, so there's some questions around that. Then, you know, if you use the same logic, then it doesn't sort of follow through for Cole Palmer and and Phil Foden. But let's let's move on, uh Paul, in particular to the Brazil squad, if we uh might. And um let's talk a little bit about a couple of the players who were admitted, but also very specifically how the Brazil squad uh found out. Uh Paul, can you tell us a little bit about this this very surprising and highly questionable decision?

SPEAKER_00 23:59

Yes, so um I I don't know who came up with this idea. Um, I never seen it before. So this year the Brazilian Football Federation thought it is uh yeah, it would be a hilarious idea uh or interesting for the fans to put cameras into uh families and friends of uh and the players themselves who are potentially gonna be selected while they are finding out if they are actually um in the Brazil squad uh this year. And then there was uh a huge upset among the Brazilian fan community because Joao Pedro was not selected, who uh definitely played uh played a great season. And uh instead you have uh you have uh players like Neymar, definitely not not at his peak anymore, as we spoke about him uh a couple of times already. Um and yeah, and to see uh to see the disappointment um in his family uh reactions and uh yeah, himself certainly is as well. I I don't know if if this adds anything um uh apart from uh like TMZ style uh entertainment. Um so yeah, that that's that's my take on it. And I mean there are a couple of more uh questionable decisions um uh we're gonna we're gonna speak about now. So that's that's my take on that camera thing.

SPEAKER_03 25:26

And the thing about that is that I mean it might make for good TV, but it doesn't make for sort of squad unity or cohesion. And uh Ancelotti's just extended his contract to 2030, so potentially Gia Pedro is gonna have to come back into the squad at some point in uh after this World Cup. This World Cup isn't the end of football. So um these kinds of decisions are necessarily going to have an impact further further down the line. For me, I I've been a big fan of Richarlison for um for a long time now. I think he he plays at an average side at Tottenham, but I think he is somebody who has some steel to him, who has the the ability to turn a game, um, who he is hugely skillful, but he also just has um the I guess the kind of the mentality by which he can take a game by the by the scruff of the uh by the scruff of the neck. Any other um selections or non-selections for Brazil, Declan, that uh caught your eye?

SPEAKER_04 26:29

Uh again, I I like we said the other day, I think Brazil has a very interesting team. I think there's some political elements involved in the selections, and I think they're particularly front-loaded, very attacking type of team, which will appeal to the Brazilian uh psyche and and culture. I'm not sure they're gonna be in the semi-finals or final this year. I think they're gonna do well, but they're not gonna they're gonna get knocked off and picked off at some point this year. Um, I do feel for sorry for Jal Pedro and you know that the fact that you love Rich Rich Elson so much, John. Is that because you have matching tattoos on your necks?

SPEAKER_03 27:09

Yes, we we we both go for the same sort of corporal aesthetic. Um no, I just think uh I've for a long time I've um since he was at Everton, I just thought that he is actually somebody who who has um sort of a pretty unique um mental capacity as regards uh football, and and I sort of I I value that about him. He's he's not he's not uh flaky when when the going gets tough. He generally, uh when he's fit, sort of steps up, and and that's where I think he's a really valuable asset in a team not necessarily known for, or historically not necessarily known in the world.

SPEAKER_04 27:44

Yeah, no, I I agree. Being a forward myself, I mean I I in all seriousness, I actually think he's he's a very decent player. You know, he's played in the poor squad at Tottenham for quite a few years and struggled a little bit, but I was quite surprised he he wasn't included because Angelotti apparently is a massive fan of his, which again doesn't make any sense.

SPEAKER_03 28:02

Yeah, yeah. It's almost as though Angelotti's sort of um he's taken up a sort of champagne coaching position and making decisions based on um the the sort of path of least political resistance rather than a footballing path. Declan, I know you also have news from South Africa as well about a couple of notable emissions.

SPEAKER_04 28:22

Yeah, before I do that one, let me just go back to England because I am a bit fired, I am a bit fired up tonight. Um Alexander Arnold wasn't included, but that to me wasn't a shock because Thomas Ducal and him don't seem to have um really hit it off over the years, and you know there's always a question mark over his defending. But to my point about Cole Palmer and Phil Foden being on the bench in a in a big game as you get deep into the business end of the of the tournament, um Trent Alexander Arnold probably would be a good person to have on the bench if you're chasing a game. And then that brings me to the point that there is no Liverpool players in the England squad for the first time in 40 years. The last time that happened was the 1986 World Cup. Um, so there's no England England Liverpool players in the England squad this year, which I think is absolutely remarkable. On the back of the fact, they won the Premier League last year.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

That is a hell of a start. I know that Rio and Goa is um is going along as an extra player for the warm-ups, but yeah, um 40 years, first time in 40 years without a Liverpool player.

SPEAKER_04 29:27

But to answer to answer your question, because I have been doing my research on um the South African preliminary squad, they have revealed their 30-man, 32-man preliminary squad. Understanding if you remember that all of the teams that have qualified have to have all their squads in by June the 1st. Um, there's two players, Mohau Nagota, who doesn't sound South African at all, he sounds more Japanese, but Mohau Nagota and Saya Bonga Nagazana are among notable omissions because um uh Mohaw has um has had some very bad form this year, and um and poor old Nagazama is uh is out injured. So those are two notable omissions from the South African squad that you will obviously miss when you see the first game in the Azteca coming up in a few weeks' time.

SPEAKER_03 30:21

Declan, just for listeners um who may have missed that, because you broke up a little bit as you were saying the name of the second player. Could you just repeat that for us?

SPEAKER_04 30:29

Sure, John. Um Saya Bunga Negezana.

SPEAKER_03 30:34

Amazing. Thank you so much. So that is the latest news and discussion about uh about national squads and uh controversies and uh selections around them and a big focus on on England. Um uh yeah, hopefully that uh that's eased your your constipation. You can move through the night a little bit more freely now, Declan, after after giving us some of that uh chat. But thank you both uh to you and to Paul uh for your um time and look forward to talking again soon.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

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