Ep 20 - The human beyond the voice

Beyond the music, beyond the fame - meeting the human behind the voice. 🎶✨

In this special episode of TwoPeas in a Pod, we had an honest & heartfelt conversation with Vijay Yesudas about life, identity, emotions, growth & everything beyond the spotlight.

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So, you can do it.

SPEAKER_08 0:16

There is something so vulnerable about singing. I think uh when you sing, your voice carries a lot of stuff. It carries your pain, it carries your training, it carries your confidence, and most importantly, it carries your truth. And today we have with us a guest who has loaned his voice to millions of people. And tonight it's not just about the legacy that he has lived up to or carried on, but tonight is about how to uh thrive under pressure, reinvent yourself and keep showing up time and again, no matter how long or how much it takes to create something beautiful. In today's episode of Two Piece in a Pod, we have with us Vijay Siddhartha.

SPEAKER_02 1:02

I'm gonna drink some water after that interview.

SPEAKER_08 1:06

Yeah, yeah, please, please.

SPEAKER_01 1:07

Thank you for having me. Both of us.

SPEAKER_06 1:09

I was like fashionable.

SPEAKER_01 1:11

I know, I know. I'm not I'm not used to that for you.

SPEAKER_06 1:14

I know, I know, I know. I was like, at the back of my head, I was like, oh my god, he must be making fun of me.

SPEAKER_02 1:20

But thank you, thank you for that introduction.

SPEAKER_08 1:22

Yeah, but yeah, today's conversation is about the human being behind the art.

SPEAKER_07 1:28

With the joy, yeah, behind the art. Yeah, like and um you know, you as a person, of course, I'm sure I knew uh have been friends, and then I got to know of you and I've been fangirling over the years, you know, over your voice, and then suddenly I had to act all normal. Now I'm acting normal. But still, you know, when I over the last couple of years, even for me, I've realized that you are more than just your voice, you know, from the little that I get to see, and I'm sure it's the same for so many other people who see you in whatever little scope, too. You have so many dimensions and so many sides.

SPEAKER_08 2:02

First, I honestly had a cut in here. When I met Vijay for the first time, I thought he was such an arrogance.

SPEAKER_05 2:06

I thought I'm gonna open with that.

SPEAKER_08 2:08

Yeah, I thought he was such an arrogant. I thought he was an arrogant person because we run, we keep running into each other. We used to run into each other in the gym first. Then one time I saw him and I was going to Dubai somewhere, we both were on the same flight. And then he was picking up his luggages, and I was like, hmm, okay, then whatever.

SPEAKER_01 2:27

And so much pressure. Without even a word.

SPEAKER_06 2:34

Oh my god, no, I'm not gonna come across like a judging person.

SPEAKER_08 2:38

But then finally, I mean, he's my uh co-artist.

SPEAKER_06 2:43

First co-artist in a woman. First co-single.

SPEAKER_08 2:46

The only co-single.

SPEAKER_06 2:48

Like ever.

SPEAKER_02 2:50

One time hit one. We literally had that when we were when we were in London.

SPEAKER_06 2:54

One time wonder.

SPEAKER_02 2:55

When we were in London, one hit wonder.

SPEAKER_06 2:57

Yeah, that's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_02 2:58

Lolan and uh D and all of us we were hanging out in this from uh Mangata.

SPEAKER_08 3:04

Mangata. Mangata, yeah, because I'm so grateful my husband produced a movie and made me do an amazing song with an amazing singer, but it was like only then I realized how difficult singing is because I went for recording and uh Tanya was there with me and with uh Yuvan, and he's telling me, I want more feel.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

Too much friends around there.

SPEAKER_06 3:26

Like, I was like, what more feel? Like, what more feel? And then he's like, no more feel. I'm like, oh my god, this is so difficult.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

That gets very like nerve-wracking sometimes because when you're when you're with like say Yuvan Praenji and all these guys. Right, and it's you and that's acknowledged. And you want to be chill, you want to have fun, but then you still have to produce and like doesn't you gotta actually sing.

SPEAKER_08 3:46

Would you say let's acknowledge the fact it's you, okay? Even me. I mean, like I I wasn't there when we when you were when you recorded, but after that, I it would have been nice though to have like some tips from like such a senior person who's superstar. Why you would have thought you'd have to be a good one.

SPEAKER_02 4:00

See, you won't the best, you wanna and even like even Ani and all like are the best with that, you know? Yeah, yeah, they're just they make you just they just make you at ease.

SPEAKER_06 4:09

Yeah, so cool.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

Even even like professional like singers like me, I get when because there's like the way they work is so chill. And so like Ani and like Yuvan never gave so much pressure as to you know, like and they just let me let me do the do my thing as well. So it's always fun. And so that we have that uh yeah, and then cut open.

SPEAKER_08 4:30

I'm spending like a month vacation with Vijay in London with Dure Vijay and all of us, and I see this version of Vijay, right? And no matter how much we party or what, Vijay will be up and uh he'll do what needs to be done, he'll go pick up costumes for his kids because Halloween was around the corner.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

And like, you know, he those are those are standard instructions when I'm abroad.

SPEAKER_08 4:52

Yeah, and pick up an espresso coffee machine, and everyone's like, bro, like which was never used in the house.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

I don't remember. Really? Then maybe I don't drink I don't drink coffee, so I think that's one reason. I probably never saw the machine get used much.

SPEAKER_08 5:05

But Vijay is an amazing cook too, you know.

SPEAKER_02 5:07

Maybe like more like breakfast yet.

SPEAKER_08 5:11

Yeah, I mean that's good enough. That's good enough.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

That's thanks to my daughter more.

SPEAKER_08 5:15

Do you remember during COVID he'd baked those brownies and lockdowns and stuff? Yeah, I I remember you bigger than the batch.

SPEAKER_02 5:22

I think I've I've I kept so during lockdown, I I I just like people having people around. So when during lockdown, when we were all sitting in our own homes, I just thought this was one way to just kind of connect with just friends and just you know, colleagues and stuff. So I used to just take my scooter and just go quickly drop off, you know, mask and helmet and all these things.

SPEAKER_08 5:41

The the Vijay has like a whole spectrum to him. He's not just this amazing singer. Exactly. Today, actually, the one takeaway I want people to have the all the musicians who are thriving there, the creators, the people who are insecure, and the people, the dreamers, they should have a lot of takeaway from this because I think uh Vijay is a very deep person.

SPEAKER_03 6:01

Of course.

SPEAKER_08 6:02

He has these these layers to him. Sometimes he'll send you these motivational forwards, and then after one point of time, when you're in a funk, you do not want to see them anymore. But then Vijay will still keep sending them.

SPEAKER_07 6:13

But I was asking, I was wondering, okay, before we get into anything, um when was the first time? When was the first time you actually realized that your voice impacts people or has like on people? Like, do you remember the exact moment or like an incident?

SPEAKER_02 6:31

It's it's it's a little tough to pinpoint an exact um incident, but I think more something more recently, uh close friend of mine, Vivek, um So he just said, Listen, I want you to just say hi to this person, and he introduced and I we were just talking at Cheta, I'm like a huge fan of yours. And then after I spoke to him and I said, Okay, you know, all the best, you know. So he's come to do some degree or something like that, and then I said all that, and uh spoke, and then he and then he called me separately after that. So he was telling me, this friend of mine was telling me, Listen, so this kid, he's not uh just simply a fanboy like that, like he loves your songs and all that stuff. But one of your interviews where you spoke about these things and you broke down a little bit and all that stuff, he saw that, and this kid was almost, you know, in a way, uh kind of suicidal. We all have we all have moments like that in our lives.

SPEAKER_08 7:25

Of course.

SPEAKER_02 7:26

So when he said that, I was like, okay, uh so then your words and and you know, then you broke down, kind of opened up his eyes a little bit to this to the extent where he he thought if a person of his so-called caliber, stature, whatever you know that he thought can open up and be like transparent with so many people openly in an interview.

SPEAKER_03 7:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:49

Uh maybe I can I can get out of this and I can talk to people too and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_08 7:54

So that kind of moved mountains in it.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

Yeah, I mean it's it's more like putting on a big responsibility on yourself as well, right? In a way. So kind of have to be careful and kind of have to keep be careful of what you say also.

SPEAKER_08 8:07

My mom is a har it's a generation where they are huge fans of your dad, right? And they they my my mom was the one who educated me that in places it's considered the he is c his voice is considered the voice of God itself, right? And that's a huge burden legacy. You can call it however to carry on.

SPEAKER_02 8:25

I mean that's just the way you handle I mean it took me initially, it took me a lot of years. And the funny thing is like in the first four years of starting, I started in 2000, and like in the first four years, 2004, by 2004 I had good hits in you know, Tamir, like Kadal Kundan and Arisan, all that stuff. But then Malayalam, it took me about seven, eight years to really break through. And it was just that's how Malayalam industry is. I mean, they're very tough, especially on star kids or you know, Nepo kids if you want to call it. But then my dad was never pushy or like you know, never pushed his thing into like to get my to get me chances as such, as far as I know. So so I just why did he not? I I mean he's just I think one thing he's very old school in that sense. So when he always he always said, you know, you work on your craft and people who and that's a very old school way of thinking nowadays. If you sit like that, you end up sitting at home for the most part. You know, but if you sit thinking, oh I have the talent, let people come to me. You know, you're gonna have to have a lot of teach yourself out there, you know. I'm very bad at that. So, you know, so I guess it's I think we're all past that age.

SPEAKER_08 9:26

You know, I mean, like, I'm not getting there.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

I I I'm I am, but but I still like so so for now for now it's like I'm I'm doing it in a very quiet way. What maybe like somebody like Arjit Singh did very publicly, stopping, you know, like uh playback singing as such and focusing more on my own you know creation, music and stuff. I think when like I spoke like a few, I think during lockdown when I spoke about it in at an interview like this, saying I might cut down doing Malayalam films and all that stuff. They again I faced a lot of shit for that as well. Excuse my language, but so they are like, who are you to stop? It's like but I mean I want to, it's like my wish. We don't want your voice, it's like it's like that. You know, people react like that in a way. So I mean it's understandable, but it's not because I didn't want to sing anymore, but it's more so like now, after 20, 25 years of singing in film and playback, then you want to try to create something where you feel you know comfortable and you don't have to wait uh on somebody in a way.

SPEAKER_08 10:26

But like your voice is so healing. Like, you know, I'm sure like we all turn to music during our highs, our lows, uh during moments of doubts, and all of that. Imagine like how people would actually turn you know this, I've said this to you a hundred times, and I made you sing the song a million times, Kadalvait. The number of times that I listened to that song, that's like oh my god. Oh yeah, oh my god, that like kind of like.

SPEAKER_02 10:50

I think there are songs like Kadalvaitu, which is that's no, I it took it took me five hours to record that song. It took me same.

SPEAKER_08 10:59

Tell us about that process. Like, how does it take five hours to record a song? I mean, usually which is the most difficult song that you've actually like recorded, like it took a lot out of you.

SPEAKER_02 11:09

Okay, there's Ayrathi Loravan um Taitindramanne, which is GV's music and Selvaragun's uh anas, you know, direction obviously. That song we started around 10am and we took a lunch break around 2, and then we went back again around 4 or 3.34, and then we went we recorded until about 7. So that took almost a whole day pretty much. Because there were so many layers to it and and and all that. I think other than that though, like even though Kadalvaitu and maybe Seval Kuri, two contrast of songs, they both took five hours.

SPEAKER_08 11:46

That's crazy. How come I've known you for this long and I didn't know this about like how this works? Like the whole process of recording.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

There are songs I finished in 20 minutes, there are songs I finished in an hour.

SPEAKER_08 11:55

Okay, what's the one that you finished in 20 minutes?

SPEAKER_02 11:58

Sean's Sean Sean's some uh really wonderful songs that I've recorded in recent times. One is from Tourist Family, um, and then there's another song, it's a film name, but it's called Hey Umel. And we literally finished that song in 25, 20, 25 minutes. So that happens sometimes.

SPEAKER_08 12:17

What do you feel is like the difference between music then and music now? Like, what is the difference that I'm sure you have like you know, recorded, like you told me I recorded for like four hours, five hours, now I did 20 minutes. Does it happen because music then and now? No, no. Like, what do you feel has changed a lot in music from then to now?

SPEAKER_02 12:35

It's just it's just uh I think our influence of the Western uh you know thing, that that thing was there, I always been there, like even in the 90s and stuff. Only thing that changes is the technology that we've used, but otherwise music-wise, I mean like what Rajasar did was it was a lot different. I think Roman from Roman sir's time and the technology we got, I think it's pretty much the same. So when I recorded for Rajasur, yeah, that was like the first recording. And you know, and I've recorded so many songs for him after that as well, and it's still the same the way he his method of recording and his method of composing and giving it to the assistant and the assistant teaching you. It's the same, but like with Annie and all of them, it's so different. So it's nice.

SPEAKER_08 13:21

When you record for somebody like a legend like Ilai Rajasur, does there ever has there ever been a comparison between your dad and you? Or like have they ever told you? Like, has there ever been a moment where many moments, many? Like tell me one that none of us know, right?

SPEAKER_02 13:35

None of you will know.

SPEAKER_06 13:36

That's not that's what podcasts are about.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

I know. That that that dies with me, like in a way, but like some some detail stuff. But then so that that's the time when like my dad was already using tablet PCs for like his you know, his lyrics and stuff. So I had my iPad, like I not my iPad, like I had my like MacBook Pro, and this is this 15-inch big thing that I used to carry, and I had my lyrics you know typed on there. So I started using that, and then I got so much flack from him for that. Oh, yeah. So we're sitting in the same, like the console, yeah, and we usually sit, you know, sing in the booth, usually back then Prasad Studio and all that. But now, like after a few years, we were singing right there, the mic was put in the same console room. So we're sitting right in front of him. TC's a laptop sitting there in front of the big, you know, this wood stand, and it's like in a in a like settle lyrics, you know. Like with with people like him, you know, you don't even like you're scared to out of respect, you're scared to open your mouth and say stuff. Because that's how you kind of have grown up, right? You know that under Kalatala it was like that.

SPEAKER_04 14:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:40

Now you're like, okay, you know, you can sit like this in front of a music director, or you can chill with chill with your you know, colleagues or whatever, but with them it's different. And then so I was like, lyrics. Oh, oh okay. And I was like, lyrics, you know, the type pantraga. Okay, okay. It was already like it was a light moment, but then he kind of took a dig at me a little bit.

SPEAKER_08 15:07

That does that there's a bit of comparison, like you know, have I gotten like a lesson like and do like your dad.

SPEAKER_02 15:13

I know that I'm not gonna. Funny thing is you I don't think you'll ever hear something like that. Something like that from people like Rajasar, Raman Sar. You know, all these people who have kind of their head on their shoulders. Yeah, of course. They don't need to take a dig at you for such things.

SPEAKER_04 15:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:28

But I have heard it from other people where listen, if I wanted your father's voice, I can call him. I've heard stuff like that too. No way. I mean, I'm like, uh this is my voice. I mean, I I I kind of I kind of have a son. So but then I, you know, just let it kind of slide and I've just done my work, and if they didn't like it, they didn't like it.

SPEAKER_07 15:49

So when did music stop being your father's world and became your world? When did you start embodying it?

SPEAKER_02 15:55

Or was that always I think that was always the case. It's just that obviously that shadow was so big, yeah, and I I mean I still I still won't, and I still so I just stopped outrunning it or trying to outrun it. That's that's how I think because it's a nice shit it's rather than thinking of it as some dark cloud that's over you, I eventually started realizing it's a nice shade over you know, sh shade over me, you know, that maybe not necessarily he's doing anything to protect me as such, but it's just there as a protective layer. So once you once you make make it on your own, then none of that matters actually. Then then they're like, you know, and then then it's like now now because I have this beard grown and the hair grown a little bit, I look a little more like him, like I look my like my mom. So I'm giving props to her. Yeah, yeah. If if like you know, so ideally when I was obviously like when with you know three brothers, my older brother looks ditto like him, especially clean shaved and all that. My younger brother is a mix in a way, but um I'm the only one, I'm the one who looks kind of more like her. So so she like you know, I she always wants to hold that, like at least I want to be like this. Everybody's like, oh, you look so much like your dad. Like I'm like, I know why though. I mean, it's like the beard, long beard, and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_07 17:16

So But now that you talk about your brothers, tell me about your childhood life like growing up.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

What kind of a kid was like I said earlier, like my my dad never like boasted his, you know, like name and you know, he when he goes to the goes to the airport and we're behind him, like there's nobody from his office calling and saying, Sir is coming. Nothing like that. He just goes and maybe they'll call the airport like the air in like maybe the you know airline manager. And then but then the way they take him and then like when you go without him, you know, type of thing initially. And then I know I stopped, I stopped like I stopped, I I thought, okay, maybe I'd be able to get that kind of privilege, but you can't, you know, and and and then I stopped, I kind of deleted all the airline's numbers from my phone. And either I go and I make it on time and I go like normally, like of course you have other privileges that you can take, like fast forward and stiff and stuff like that. You go, you just use that and I use those kind of things and go. But otherwise, if I do if I make it late and if I you know if I miss the flight, I miss the flight.

SPEAKER_04 18:15

Yeah, we would know. We would know which way. You guys know. So we know.

SPEAKER_02 18:21

A lot of my friends know about that.

SPEAKER_08 18:23

So I'm like, yeah, yeah, we would know. Let's just leave it at that. Do you still get nervous before a recording though?

SPEAKER_02 18:32

I do, yeah. I mean, especially with this, like now this new generation. Like, I'm like, okay, do they think they want, like, do they have are they calling me? Do they want my dad's kind of still, like, I still kind of like it?

SPEAKER_08 18:45

So that's um, I mean, it is.

SPEAKER_02 18:47

Your voice could probably like sure sometimes. You know, like there was this other interview that I did, and they're like, you know, you are like so like legendary in so many of our eyes, and I'm like, I was like, am I? I mean, I was like, I know I like asking. That's a good thing about you, Vijay. That's a good thing about you. And I was like, because I don't know, I don't feel very legendary.

SPEAKER_08 19:06

No, but you are like, you know, that's what makes you even more legendary because I think we got to peel layers me and the legendary.

SPEAKER_02 19:12

I'm far from being a legend.

SPEAKER_08 19:13

I mean, you don't need to be so modest.

SPEAKER_02 19:16

I think that's something this, like in the last 10 years of something, we've using a little too much with almost everybody.

SPEAKER_03 19:23

Legends.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

The name, you know, I think legends are you know, my dad, uh not to say like in that way, but SP Pizzas and Chitram, and like I'm singing singers, and then music directors like Ilai Raja Sareya Roman, and you know, and Ani even like is becoming legendary with the way he's growing and the you know the market he has. And but he's he's a rock star, you know, he's like our rock star, like we have a Michael Jackson type of.

SPEAKER_08 19:48

I think like he caters to an entirely different kind of generation, and the generation grew up on his music.

SPEAKER_02 19:53

All of us though. Like, I know I love like I use most of his tracks for my when I drive and like when I work out, like you know, so it's like all it's it's I think it's that kind of a trend, and that's that's beautiful too. I mean, you just you can enjoy that as well. So I I mean uh for me legend is a big word. I mean I used to be the one of the first people, especially in Kerala in the Malayalam industry, who used to perform like properly, like not just sing and stand, and I used to dance, I used to perform, I used to perform a little choreography and all that stuff. And then like there's this gap where now I'm like singing melodies, yeah and like you know, not all the stuff that I did for you and like all the you know fun songs that I did for you and then there was this gap. And then like all that But isn't that what being an artist is about? Like, you grow, you you grow, but you still wanna you still wanna go on stage and entertain the crowd with some songs like that, you know?

SPEAKER_07 20:42

Like how to get through phases like that when you know I'm still getting through.

SPEAKER_02 20:47

I mean I'm still so that's what I'm saying. Like when I so I wanted to make I want to like it's not that I don't want to sing for music directors and or for films, I do. I love that because that's what I grew up grew up on and and that's kind of what what my life has been majority of my career. So then but then now like when you keep getting similar melody and like good I mean that's good because that lasts longer maybe in a way and people remember you for those kind of songs like you know, like Sahara and like or even Ninjame and you know, even Malare for that matter. Yeah, and you know, so that that's all great, and you you're thankful and you're grateful for that, but you still wanna you can't when you do a show and I'm I've I've like performed with my dad since I was seven years old on stage. So I've loved performing, being in front of the crowd, and that's been my like go-to thing like throughout my career. So when I like getting in front of the crowd, you know, and like in I think Feb, after like almost a like a few years, I did a public event for a temple uh festival in Kerala and it was like some fifty thousand plus people like you know, like walking uh in and out and like this whole, you know, g open ground. So that was that was like that adrenaline and that feel and I was like and all these y uh Two young singers backed up, backed me up on uh on that show. And this young band that I just started using, they joined me as well. And they saw me like perform and dance and do all these songs. And they're like, We have seen you move like this. And I was like, Yeah, it's been a while. Like my knees are not, my knees are not exactly, you know, and like I needed like this other singer who's a male, like this male singer, he's a performer as well, is you know, and so he started, you know, going along with some of the songs and he moved. So like that kind of got me going, you know. And so like when you have that kind of support, that kind of like Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 22:36

Do you think artists are always sensitive, like behind, like to an extent? Are they like a little sensitive? Because you think so. You tap into a lot of uh emotions.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

I get very emotional and I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 22:48

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

My daughter, my daughter, my daughter uh more, you know, is like always watches me when I'm when we're watching movies together. Oh, yeah. Yeah, oh tear up is uh understatement. Understatements, especially like like romantic eyes out, like yeah, yeah. Romantic flakes or like you know, like emotional type of films. So I try to avoid those films. I try to avoid those kind of films in theaters. I mean, otherwise I think yeah, musicians, I think we tap into that in a way, right? Like kind of like actors do as well.

SPEAKER_08 23:19

Sure, yeah. Um especially when you have to sing a song like Ninja May.

SPEAKER_02 23:23

Yeah, most of those songs when I sing, I Ninja May and a few others, maybe not so much, but there are songs like in this film called Joseph, which Joju uh has acted in. I've done three songs in it, and all three are very emotional and intense. That that sometimes is important, you know. And I I don't really tap into it in real life as such, but sometimes it's just the song and the the composition and the lyrics somewhere it just pulls you in.

SPEAKER_08 23:51

So how do you keep creatively showing up after this many years? I'm sure like you know, just to find creativity, sometimes it drains you out. It does, it does.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

I mean, I honestly I to be very honest, when it when it gets to this kind of like this many years, and you kind of quiet you have to kind of quiet down a little, you gotta wait, and some of some of the songs that are coming are like you know, similar maybe, and it's very like it's not gonna be like instant hits maybe. It if the movie works, maybe that song you know garners more attention. But some of these songs are like emotional and it connects with the people slowly, so you kind of think, okay, you know, this this is gonna be like that kind of a song, and uh it'll it'll be there for a long time, but it'll take some time to get to the audience and stuff. So then you're thinking, okay, but then shouldn't I be also doing sort of stuff that reaches the audience quicker or maybe becomes a big hit or chartbuster? And I've done that, I've done that then, but then you still think, shouldn't I still be doing that? Or so you had to kind of that that I think I'm in that transitional kind of stage in the last few years where I do have like an NJMA and I'm like grateful for that, I'm thankful for that. But then you kind of think, I mean, I'm am I like, you know, am I fading a wal uh off or is it you know, am I fading into something else?

SPEAKER_08 25:10

So you So how do you creatively show up in a moment like that?

SPEAKER_02 25:13

I mean you show up when you're asked to, like you know, moments like that, and you record that and you're done. And and I take like I keep talking to some of my actor friends and singer friends also, but like I take a page out of like Mohammed's attitude towards even a film that you know that he's done done with. So he says, I know I'm done. I've I've shot for that film, I've dubbed for it, and I've done promotions also if needed be. And then and then I'm done. You know, I have to go on to the next one. Uh I can't, you know, I can't dwell in that and wait for the result and you know, let let it choke me or let it you know suffocate me so much that I can't do the next one type of thing. Or that I that it that it holds me down choosing the next one and stuff like that. So like I mean, the people people when they see us, they're like, How come you know you're not choosing more songs like this? One thing that they don't get is we don't choose songs. Even at my stage in my career, song, music director, director, lyricist, or not lyricist so much, but maybe some maybe at the end, maybe the final say is maybe the producer, you know, whether they want to pay you that much or not. So in that sense, we don't choose our song. So the music director, the you know, director, they choose. Then they decide whether it suits the you know singer, I mean the singer singer suits the actor and all the whole situation. So we don't choose our songs.

SPEAKER_07 26:35

So yeah, you go on, you go on. Then it's just a very silly simple question. That's what I mean. You know, judge your friends or judge anybody for like bad karaoke. You do right. You do, right?

SPEAKER_04 26:46

We do.

SPEAKER_01 26:47

You do no you do. I don't, I don't know. Bad karaoke. Bad karaoke, no, no. I just I'm I'm bad at karaoke, actually.

SPEAKER_08 26:56

No, I chose. No, no, I don't do the number of times you're a sang for London cab drivers for us, okay? Shut up.

SPEAKER_01 27:02

Yeah, that's exactly what I'm saying. Like that that's okay.

SPEAKER_02 27:04

But even then, like like people like D, uh, you know, uh uh and like they all like like tittuang because I don't get the lit, I keep forgetting the lyrics and stuff like that. So generally, I'm not I'm not very good at it. And we play, you know, Antarcchari and all that. I'm the worst at like Antarcciri because I don't remember most of these lyrics. Seriously. Okay, yeah, I can sing, but when you play Antachri, you need to know the lyrics of the song and the tune, yeah. But yeah, like I know like my songs, my father's songs, like Balon Kul songs, like like songs I grew up with. I know the background score, I know like where it starts, ends, I know every tune of every instrument. That's different. But when it comes to fun stuff like this, I'm like a little can you no no judgment though?

SPEAKER_04 27:48

No, yeah, no one's gonna be a good one.

SPEAKER_02 27:49

No, no, because I have friends, I have some I have some very nice uh guy friends who just have this amazing Uruguuru Dairium to sit sit in front of me in the car and sing. Like you know, like I have some very good friends like that, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:05

Well, no, that's how they were happy.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

So imagine I had to sit and listen to that. When I can listen to that, karaoke is nothing.

SPEAKER_08 28:18

No, but I don't judge them though.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

I let them sing is what I meant.

SPEAKER_08 28:21

Okay, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

So that's what I was coming back to that. I don't judge them.

SPEAKER_08 28:24

But what's the one annoying thing that singles go through? There's like an annoying thing that singles go through.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

I think Kailash Kerr put it very beautifully recently in a in a I think it was a TED talk type of uh place. So he was invited as a singer or to talk about music as such. He said so obviously the anchor was you know, he started talking and then they kind of asked him, you know, like, can you please sing a song? So that's that's when he said he's like you know, I really really hope and wish that people start thinking a little different about when you invite a singer to talk. So and I'm and I'm very appreciative of both of you for not asking me till now. Yeah, so so so then so then not a lot of people. I have no problem. I took like I said when hearing that's something it's just that it's so easy. Like when we get when we get called as a guest to a college, because that's our job.

SPEAKER_08 29:26

Yeah, I'm sure nobody's asking actors to act and show you. That's what he said. That's exactly what he said. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:31

He said that's exactly what he said also. He said, you know, up log uh, you know, Salvan Khan Kabulublay or somebody, you don't ask him to you know uh act a scene out, or you know, they do people do that too at times. There are times when audio launch happens and then you know maybe an actor is asked to, you know, maybe uh reenact uh dial old dialogue, maybe you know, iconic dialogue or something like that. And it happens, but I mean, you know, make the people happy.

SPEAKER_07 29:57

I think it's always like singing.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Yeah, for me, like when I go, so they keep a no, you just have to come as a guest. And I was like, yeah, when you ask a singer to come as a guest, you're not calling us there to sing, you know, just sit and talk about something. You want us to sing, and that that's what we're asking you know, a certain thing. That always happens.

SPEAKER_08 30:14

But I mean it's it's part of our let's deep dive into the more emotional part of being a singer for young artists, young people, anybody dealing with art and like music and stuff like that, right? So people see all the glamorous stuff, you come on, you have a good time. You I've always seen the fun side of you, and I do know you're a very deep guy. It's not like I don't know, but what is the part that people don't see, the struggles that people don't see when like you know, how does rejection feel? Like, have you ever been rejected?

SPEAKER_02 30:42

Yeah, like I mean, like I said, there are times when you know I think it's not I don't I don't think we call it a rejection in our industry because you just have certain incidents that happen where you know they're used to listening to that song and that voice and they want you know that that voice to be there. It happened with Shivaji uh where you know Sahara the duet version was Udit Naran and Chinme, and I sang the originally I initially I recorded that. So they wanted Udit Naran's voice, and you know, they so that happened. And then but then Romansa fought kind of from for a version of mine to be there in the audio, and that's how the unplugged version of Sahara came out.

SPEAKER_07 31:25

But the unplugged has really nice visuals, so you know there's no visuals uh for that for that version. No, that comes on when you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_02 31:32

But it comes in the uh yeah, only the female portion comes. I've my voice is never so that's one big uh hole, like a black hole in my career that I've actually not had my voice uh for Taliban. I've sung in that, and even Lal Salam I sang in the Telugu version, but yeah, again, it's not it's not where he sang or where he's featuring in it.

SPEAKER_08 31:55

So, how does you manifest a little bit of that? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:58

We have it's been yeah, long, long years of management.

SPEAKER_08 32:02

Maybe in the next Anis movie. Right in Ani and Nelson, right? They're the ones who are doing it. Yeah, yeah, the HK. No, Jay Luther and also uh the next one after that? Uh, yeah, maybe, maybe, you never know. Let's put it out there. Let's put it out there.

SPEAKER_02 32:18

Like you said earlier, like you asked earlier, music and the whole concept of playback singing and singing, singer singing for actors has changed a whole lot since then, you know?

SPEAKER_04 32:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

And and in a way, like if you look at Ani, in even business-wise, they'd rather just have Ani sing, you know, in the whole album because he's got that market.

SPEAKER_07 32:39

So, you know, like singers like But the real, you know, it would be really nice for someone like him to actually. He has.

SPEAKER_02 32:46

I mean, he's given me like like song again, like Coco, Cola Bang Coca, like Gun and Cuddle song. Yeah, like so.

SPEAKER_08 32:51

There are very there are very much.

SPEAKER_02 32:56

I definitely have. So it's different now the way they produce films and compose for films, it's not the same as like fifth, ten, fifteen years ago.

SPEAKER_08 33:04

So how do you deal with that kind of like a b black hole? You just said that's a black hole that I can never singing for Talaivar.

SPEAKER_02 33:11

That's my own. Even Kamal Sar I've not sung for him, like where he's yeah, yeah. So I'd like for our listeners to have a takeaway.

SPEAKER_08 33:19

How do you deal with something like that?

SPEAKER_02 33:21

I mean, I think that'll it'll just it'll if it's meant to happen, it'll happen. And even all the songs that I've recorded till now. And you know, when you come into this kind of thing, because now the exposure, even if you're just an like not a professional singer, but you just want to sing and you want to get yourself, you know, for people to listen, you have that platform now with Instagram and all these things. It's much more easier than before. Even a new singer who's just starting up and doesn't necessarily have to wait for a music director to give him an opportunity, he can do a cover, he can do a even his own composition, and maybe it just clicks. Yeah. And then he becomes, you know, and like what what it took me like 10, 15 years to maybe charge something for a concert. Some of them are charging already in a couple of a couple of years, and it's all about followers, it's all about that. It's all about that kind of market, and it's not about it's not about like having songs for like 20 years or true, you know, anything, any, anything of that sort. So you have to kind of that's something you gotta get used to now.

SPEAKER_07 34:22

So I'm so glad you brought that up because that's something I wanted to discuss with you as well and get your two takes on. Um social media, right? Like, like you said, now it's so easy to be an artist because of social media, which is a bit and it has two sides. The coin has two sides. But do you think the advent of social media has made art more performative, or is it a blessing?

SPEAKER_02 34:49

Like I said earlier, I'm a little old school because of you know the my dad's influence on me and the way what which which what I grew grew up with, more Rajasar music and stuff like that. So more like very classic and you know, type of stuff that I grew up with, and and then changed over to somebody like Roman Sar as well, but but more so with Rajasar, you know, and like for me, like every single song of his background score, you know, which instrument, what kind of you know, changeover and chords and all these things. Like everything is like like a blueprint in my head, and I'm not even anything connected to him, like as in like I'm not his son, I'm not, but I'm I feel like he's one father figure for me, and so I grew up with that.

SPEAKER_04 35:31

Right.

SPEAKER_02 35:31

So then now what happens is people still go back to classics like that, people still go back to classics of maybe romancers to do covers and all that stuff, and it's fine to initially get yourself out there, but it'll only get you so far in some ways. But even that's changed so much, like I said, if you succeed in that, there is a song of mine which is which got me like my second Kerala State Award. Uh it's a f uh it's a Mohalal film um Grandmaster, and Deepak Dev is a music uh composer. The funniest thing is my original version is not there on some of the music apps, but there's a cover version that's there on the music apps. And that happens a lot nowadays. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah. A lot of old songs which for rights issues or whatever issues that are not there on these apps, uh, you know. So you think, okay, I'm the original singer and the original composer there, and we're all still alive, and you know, you start thinking like that. But then I mean you just take it, you know, and but but how important is consistency in creative career, right?

SPEAKER_08 36:36

Like it's not like what does consistency look like in a creative career? It's not just jamming session with your friends, like, but that's what the culture is.

SPEAKER_02 36:44

The culture is that, yeah. And and and the thing with that is also my followers, if you look at it, you won't call me a legend. If people look at my followers on Instagram, like, but then it's still I mean it's a lot in comparison to maybe other people. But I don't I like I've not my can like like I said, I'm the worst person probably to talk about content and yeah, content creation and stuff like that. Because I don't sit and post stuff. I I'm not even like in that zone. Yeah, like to even get my okay, yeah, there are photos of mine that I've done photo shoots last year, I've still not posted. Right. And then it's it's a problem. Like if you don't do that, then your algorithm and all these things that uh matter right now, you know, and if you if it doesn't matter to you, then it's okay, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 37:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course.

SPEAKER_02 37:28

But it then, but then it does unfortunately and fortunately kind of transpire to your kind of inquiries as well. Like, are you active on social media? Are are people really crazy to w go buy tickets and watch your shows? Even though it's not a good idea.

SPEAKER_08 37:43

But I'm not talking about social media consistency. No, no, that's what I'm saying. And I'm I'm very consistent.

SPEAKER_02 37:48

I'm very bad at it, as well as when it comes to my own.

SPEAKER_08 37:54

Do you get to it like every day? Watch your process.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

Oh, not necessarily every day. And this is an interview my dad did in Toronto. Then he was like, uh, you know, actually, um my you know, RIAs or my practice is all my recordings. So like I take a page out of that now. Like I kind of use it to like, if at all, even my parents now say that, you know, why don't you sit and practice and all that? There were that there were years when he they used to tell me that. But like now I realize what he said was exactly what I was doing maybe in the last 10 years or even before that. Like every type of recording that you do is a different kind of practice as well.

SPEAKER_08 38:29

Practice and consistency must have looked very different growing up for you because your dad must have done it in a different way. Every day, even now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:37

Like even now, he's sitting in the US, he still wakes up and he still practices and he's still And it's so different from for you, right? Like, I can't get like I'll get if I if I do just if just if it's just me, my mom, and him on a video call, and he'll be sitting on the table and he'll have his book, Kirtana, like a book or whatever. And he'll immediately he'll start uh, you know, like singing out a new ragam and he'll start teaching me. And then I'll be like doing something, but then I'll be like, okay, and then now I'll like kind of used to like he'll sing something and I'll have to sing it back, and I'll be doing something and I'll also sing it back. And but then before it was more strict. Before it's like, okay, okay, sit, sit there, sit there, you know, I want I want to teach you something. But now it's like he's there, and I'm like here, and then it's like that. Like second nature. And then he makes me sing and I sing it back, and it's like, ah, okay. And then that's it. No like no good, no like compliment, nothing.

SPEAKER_08 39:27

But I'm sure from you to today's generation, that has changed a lot. Like I said, it's jamming sessions or just like writing down their lyrics or their thoughts or something like that. What do you think artists, young artists today or singers today, should protect at all costs? Because I'm sure you've seen that from your dad, and you've got your own process and everything that happened in between. And have like you see younger people like Ani and all of them work. I'm sure you work with a lot of youngsters.

SPEAKER_02 39:52

The main thing I think it's actually naturally, very organically happening with a whole lot of new generational talent and you know, from Ani to whatever, but like even Aniru did not become a rock star without a lot of hard work and practicing on his piano and his programming, and you know, he programmed for Romansa, like Romansa programmed for Ilai Rajasar, Yuvan programmed for Roman sir. Like they all had his program for Roman Sar and uh Ilai Rajasar. So like if you look at it all this, they all came through a lot of, you know, it's like saying like Vijay Siddhudi was an assistant AD, uh, and then he did the small role standing in the back. Yeah, you know, and so did so many other actors. So like everybody has to go through that, you know. Yeah, you can go straight into your Instagram and you can become an overnight.

SPEAKER_08 40:42

So what does why somebody like that should protect at all costs?

SPEAKER_02 40:46

Your skill and your like core, you know, like skill level and your what do you call in in singing or in karnatic if you want to look take it as sadhana, or just pure like you know, working on your craft, which is something that my dad always said, you know, if you work on your craft, if you have that talent and they will come come to you for it. The thing is now we have to just balance it out in a way, like you know what I said earlier, like you just have to kind of market yourself in a way, put yourself out there that they see you and they kind of because everybody has their own space and mind that you know they're not gonna always keep looking. Sometimes that's how some people are found.

SPEAKER_07 41:25

But yeah, but what does it take, especially then, right? When there's like public opinion and perception of who you are and stuff like that. How do you protect your state of mind from staying original?

SPEAKER_02 41:36

I think that's what I was saying. Like all these guys has one thing in common, they all have their like originality, like they have whether it's all acting, it's all singing, it's all music, but then each of them have even a newcomer who just did a cover and did his or her own version of my song or an AR Roman song, if it clicked, it's there must be something in there that myself.

SPEAKER_04 41:59

Oh, sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:00

Uh which was something original from them. Yeah. You know, and that's that's why people immediately relate. And people relate to real, you know, authenticity. Authenticity, like a normal person like me sitting there and singing and is succeeded.

SPEAKER_08 42:15

But have you ever gotten kinder with yourself as you aged, right? From the time you started out to now, like how you treated yourself towards fame or opportunities or not getting opportunities? Have you been kinder on yourself?

SPEAKER_02 42:27

Not not enough, I guess.

SPEAKER_08 42:28

No, no, really.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

I'm a little tough. I'm a little tough on myself as far as that is concerned. But at the same time, like I know, like I know what I'm doing is like in the like deep down, I know it's what I want to do, yeah. The way I want to do it. So yeah.

SPEAKER_08 42:45

But how important is validation for artists today?

SPEAKER_02 42:48

I mean somewhere you gotta first be able to like tell yourself, okay, you know what? Even though like, for example, like I've heard about this look for years now, like because I'm producing it and I'm trying to get it shot, you know, and in a right way and at a level that I feel like that it should be.

SPEAKER_08 43:08

So validation comes from within for within, yeah. And then that's kind of bad action.

SPEAKER_02 43:13

Even though I've made people listen to the song and stuff, I'm still tweaking it. But then and it's been five years, and then I'm I then I finally found a team that you know for pre-production and VFX and all that, you know, that that's come out, you know, that's amazing. Kind of getting there. To see it. So all these things. So I mean, like even that, when you get into that, it's it's not easy.

SPEAKER_07 43:33

So yeah, but that's something else that's so good about you that that you are multi-passionate, right? You're not just passionate about singing, but you have other interests and other things that you do in your life as well. So tell us a little about that.

SPEAKER_02 43:46

Sports is something, you know, like I keep telling you, I've been asking her for years that lucky, let's play tennis sometimes. See, my dad, my my older brother was a professional tennis player, like until college. So my dad's a crazy tennis fan. And I so me and my younger brother.

SPEAKER_08 44:00

you know trained in tennis and like played so now like my daughter wants to you know play tennis but like obviously pickleball is a thing and my she trains with my coach last time yeah yeah yeah let's do like a rapid fire human moment thing you guys have one of those two yeah we have a couple because my normal question answers like long too long I think you guys no I guess you guys have a lot of yeah that's that's our team that's that's our team I feel that's our team's job so let's go let's go okay so you have the two names the ones okay the first three you lost the last three you can ask 100% the most chaotic moment you've had in a studio oh when I walked off you walked off from a studio many I mean like okay twice like you've got an annoyance which I thought you have like great patience right now I mean I do but when you but if somebody could test my mind which which is temper is also not which uh which music do you want to it's a Malaam uh Malayam song a song you didn't expect people to love but it became like such a huge hit when I recorded it uh Nenjame Nanjame you didn't expect it to be something like such a big hit uh in in such a way like like it was I think kind of in my career like for me it was bigger than even Sahara in a way that song played such a monumental role in my life you know so so Malade is another song yeah because Malare when it's Malade is a song when it plays at home everyone will be like ah like like it wasn't Malade was crazy one of three songs that I recorded that day.

SPEAKER_02 45:32

So I recorded one I think on Christian devotional and then I recorded a film song and then I recorded Malade and then I recorded another song. So I recorded four songs. And this was like the third song and it was just one like it just it just went I recognize very uh yeah Rajesh Murigeshin is a music director he's one soft spoken subtle you will not get very like too much expressions from him like as in reactions from him. We just recorded and it went off really so the initially in the jukebox Madare wasn't there in the Primum jukebox if you look at it it's still not it's only there as a single in the film and in the film too like there's a crucial thing right and then it comes later when he goes to see her yeah it comes just with my voice. Yeah. So that's what became a big echoing yeah yeah yeah so all that became a craze at that time and I didn't know I'm in Chennai and I'm I'm like and I had Joju call me and said like did you did you realize what's happening with your song in this film? Yeah I was like no I don't know what's happening people because the audio wasn't out people were video recording it in theaters and posting it on YouTube and stuff. Oh stuff like that was amazing as that so what's the one thing singers uh pretend to understand but they don't gotta be honest over here one thing that singers pretend to understand but they don't is there anything like that at all I would have said the reverse actually pretend that we don't understand but we understand okay go on is there something like I mean like what I said earlier like this whole thing that you know no guarantee that our voice is gonna be there type of thing but I think yeah yeah yeah yeah okay the most difficult song recorded I think Tai Tindramanne from Ayrathilorman one of the longest time I've taken for a song recording great okay um what's your comfort music like when no one's around and if you feel like okay I just need like a hug but then the song does it to you oh okay so like a particular song yeah now I'm curious Udaya Udaya from then I love that song my favorite song yeah and then Nenjay Nenjay from Rakshakan my oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it's a beautiful song yeah it is beautiful yeah like I like those kind of I mean both are A Roman songs and two different types of buttons I guess two but then musically I think I don't know if I'll get this wrong but I think both are Charukeshi which is his favorite uh Radha A Raman says totally don't sound sound uh thing but like sound somehow the same I'm saying he was a singer today like one as a friend Vijay you know like like a charu KC finally finally finally yeah yeah one stint of little bit of music knowledge I have okay the last one do you ever get tired of your own voice no no us neither so we're all on the same page I I actually I think I sit and listen to my songs more than anybody in my family including my kids including my parents I think I'm in I'm that bridge in the in in the in my family where like my mom my dad my dad had my mother and he had all of us like as in my me and my brothers completely dedicated and devoted to him as a fan yeah listeners and I think my brother is the only one who's kind of in that dip in that level for me. Oh nice he's my like number one fan you know in the family so he's like like songs that even that I have not listened to in a long time suddenly he'll say oh this is such a wonderful song you know it should do more songs like this like this again even to my brother I'm like you know I don't choose my songs but which songs uh do your kids love of yours very few i keep I keep pulling their leg I was like you know but also their generation is why they don't listen to that many common songs for you one like more recently right and that was the first time I had a show of mine like with such a huge crowd but neither of them have seen me perform like that till now oh yeah yeah so that's another black hole in my oh they I keep pulling their legs because then they then then Amea and her friends obviously went for uh hip hop tamara's concert in my nandanam and they're like getting tickets and you know making sure that they got there early and all that stuff and it's like I am seeing Nandal Mula now it's random concert again it's so endearing to hear you talk about your kids you know and that's I want like one word just one word for each word that we say okay so it's just gonna be one word alright fame overrated rejection overrated success uh needed practice very much necessary you should love very much necessary you can't repeat I can't say I can't repeat out love yeah it's something good right there silence at times at times like just when you said for love like that love I'm very vocal about that you know vocal about of course of course fatherhood keeps me going music bloodline okay family support that's a good one that's very nice yeah let's go into a really final segment to a final segment what really matters the emotional healing part of being a singer or an artist what gives your life meaning outside of music um I think travel sports like I said like all these things that I do like I'm a crazy movie buff like I will not watch a Talay film in Kerala or any other state but here like if it's the opening day like I will not watch like a Mammuka or a Lalatan film in in here also because it's it's like the buy in that all those things fill my life and like this friend of mine like I said you know he calls me uh he calls me Eshudasa's adopted alien kunye because because I go on very little sleep at times and I can sleep yeah also like 10 hours but but I do like I juggle I travel up and down and I just juggle and do so many things. It's like you're not you're not made from like normal human you know type of thing. So that's kind of uh where I kind of see life and do things.

SPEAKER_07 52:22

Right but I also think it's uh very nice and very rare in fact that you're so in touch with yourself and with your feelings and how deep you are and I'm little too over overdone at times.

SPEAKER_01 52:34

Not at all for me.

SPEAKER_02 52:36

I can handle it not at all I think that's a I think that's a very beautiful human trait to have and the fact that you yeah I mean I think it's just I I like just leaving myself like out there and then you know that's me. If you can take it take it if not yeah of course and I think even with the way I also we also when we all caught up the other day I said we would talk about this and I think it uh even the way you co-parent right with so much grace with so much joy and like you know there's so much effects right that too it wasn't easy and it isn't easy you know it's just like you think sometimes you know like not in this specific specific scenario but you think if couples and you know even marriages and even if they don't have kids if couples actually over the years if they have gave themselves that that many years to kind of overcome all those you know like ego and all these small things and you know maybe they all they they maybe those are the couples who got to those 25 or 30 or 40 or 50 year anniversary you know even my parents I see them like my mom like you're you're talking about ishudas here and for Malayalis they're like oh that's it and then all these things but I see him I I see him getting yelled at from my mom you know which is which is a normal thing in our house any household yeah my mom even though he is like eishudas is like the voice and all this when it comes to time like can you please come and eat in a trick you know that's that's her chachano that's her you know like that's whatever person so there's no there's no name there's no legacy there's no legendary status there you know so if there was like one advice you would give to an artist who is about to young artist who's about to give up what would that be uh I mean it's tough I mean it's you got I mean when you're when you're in this industry especially you really need thick skin and you will get put down and you will and and and and I think one thing that I learned is just stop trying to find uh kind of the reason or blame on somebody else and just work with your work with what you have and like within yourself. I mean I've I've done it too like everybody's done it everybody at some point when their career was maybe like you know a little in shambles maybe but even like you know like a just a little bit of a low down moment and then you think you know think it's because somebody else has more somebody else has that somebody else you know I think that that's something that even I've done and then you know you kind of have to kind of pull back from that pull back from that.

SPEAKER_08 55:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:18

And then I think because that only makes you real in that and not actually make you better in your own type of thing.

SPEAKER_07 55:26

So that's amazing. If there's a feeling you'd want your voice to leave behind in the world what would it be?

SPEAKER_02 55:32

Uh my dad always signs like God is love. Right. I know like as an autograph thing. So so peace and love is what my sign with my with my autograph. So I just said peace and love always. Right. And that's something I hope my voice you know carries can echo to PD.

SPEAKER_08 55:52

I'm sure I'm already saying so that was like an amazing one hour of a sitting down and having a wonderful conversation with you feeling feeling layers. I didn't know so many things uh that I got to know about you saw you as a singer finally today. And um and it was a I hope that was a takeaway for all our listeners and all our audience that to show up as an artist consistently and authentically as yourself is far more important to stay true to yourself and definitely have a thick skin in this industry if you're trying to make one. But I hope this one hour was an amazing listen for you all just like how it was for us and there was a lot of takeaway and if it cured your anxiety you can thank us later.

SPEAKER_07 56:38

Yeah I hope that you this conversation is just a reminder for you to stay authentic for you to um remember that you don't have need to have the loudest voice to be heard really but just something that comes from your heart and to just go after your dreams and keep curating the life that you want to live and love forever no matter how old you get no matter how young you are. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 56:59

Since this is a podcast and usually not like a usual interview but I leave uh this is for you and for you okay for being such good friends always and uh and this is for all of you as well asinday Devadikade Keta Bodila Nijamindrani Nakya Villa Nirilwuna Patapinbuna Nambi Vitin Marika Villa Adigale Marevadila Unaipatilda Andima Lai Marivadilla Unaipatamas amazing that really like you know invokes your soul from within imagine like a number of times it invoked it your editors will leave that on the signal that's not yeah that's all thank you so much for being here and this was two piece in a pod about being a human behind the art the voice and nothing gets more human than Vijay because you just let it go off and he will go off that was a great one thank you so much man do like do subscribe do share and uh yeah see you in our next episode