E24H&M: From Human Romance To Sacred Union: Lessons From A Nine-Year Journey

What if real love doesn’t make life easier—it makes you truer? We’re celebrating nine years by getting honest about what sustains a sacred partnership: choosing source over scripts, repair over pride, and play over performance. The story isn’t tidy. We went from a whirlwind beginning across countries and pyramids to a season of tests that exposed our old patterns. Those moments didn’t signal failure; they formed the muscle we needed for a bigger mission. Along the way we learned a practice that changed everything: source first, resources second. When we ground in the origin of love—through prayer, stillness, and candid conversation—we stop using each other to plug holes and start offering overflow.

We also talk about the myths that shape our expectations. From rom-coms to fairy tales, the idea that “once you find the one, everything is perfect” sets us up to quit when the light hits our shadows. Divine love isn’t a transaction; it’s a state of consciousness that illuminates what needs healing. That’s why self-love is not optional—it’s the foundation. We share the habits that helped us move from conditional love to devotion: morning calibration, honest apologies, boundaries with tenderness, and celebration as a practice. Yes, we even took our anniversary to a Michelin dining table with new friends, because love expands by being shared.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Anniversary And Welcome
• 2:35 Defining Divine Love Beyond Human Love
• 7:45 Hopeless Romantic Roots And Media Myths
• 12:30 Early Union: Magic, Tests, And Growth
• 18:30 Celebration Day Stories And Abundance Play
• 23:15 Sharing Love With New Friends
• 28:55 Hope For The Heart-Hardened
• 33:30 Source First, Not Resources
• 38:20 Self-Love As Magnet For Sacred Partnership
• 44:00 Takeaways, Gratitude, And Ongoing Mission
• 47:45 Community Thanks And Growth Milestones
• 51:00 Men’s Stress Coaching Invitation
• 1:02:00 Closing Blessings

Transcript

SPEAKER_03: 0:02

Blessings, everyone. Welcoming you to the Ascension Alchemists podcast. Today we have me and Michael as your podcast hosts today with our combined episode.

SPEAKER_01: 0:15

Today is a very special day as we are so excited to celebrate our anniversary.

SPEAKER_03: 0:22

Yes, so we are sharing this episode on our anniversary day and our anniversary week. And uh we just figured it would be the best time to actually record this podcast and share it with you because we're just in this wonderful celebration.

SPEAKER_01: 0:41

Yeah, it's been a joyous day of really just bringing forth the remembrance of how divine our love is and what a journey it's been in through these nine years, which almost feels like it's been lifetimes, hasn't it?

SPEAKER_03: 0:54

Yeah, and before but before we dive into it here, we've had a full day. Let's just welcome our listeners first. So, our beautiful, gorgeous listeners, as usual, you know, we've come to you from this this space as a community together, a community where we get to share, we get to be, we get to praise and thank God Almighty in our life and how we are striving to allow God Almighty to live through us and to embody God Almighty's truth so that we can be the greatest and best expression of ourselves.

SPEAKER_01: 1:32

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03: 1:33

And um, today happens to be a day where nine years ago you and I crossed paths, and we've had a full, wonderful day today. How we started the day in the celebration, everything we did, and all that went all that went through the activity, and I got to share my version of it on a little bit on my solo episode. And I figured this is the best way that we get to give a little taste to our audience, the ones that actually don't know us. Most of the audience here, our listeners know us, they've been with us um for quite some time. They they watched us come together, yeah. And the journey that we've gone on, and some are more recent in our lives, and some are brand new, especially the ones that we met today, as we go into new friendships. So let's start, let's start it differently today.

SPEAKER_01: 2:37

If I were to ask you, honey, yeah, and if there was a new audience member, yes, someone that was listening for the very first time, okay. That's a good one, and they were to ask you about this nine-year relationship, this divine union.

SPEAKER_03: 2:55

Yes, I love this, I'm getting giddy.

SPEAKER_01: 2:58

And what you have learned or experienced that you would like to express to someone that has no idea of what our relationship has been about.

SPEAKER_03: 3:12

You want me to explain it? You want me to describe it? You want me to introduce it?

SPEAKER_01: 3:16

I would say to any listener out there that has just met us for the first time, or maybe has just learned about us, and they're like, Wow, here's honey and Michael, and then they say, Happy anniversary. Yes, and then you say, Well, thank you first.

SPEAKER_03: 3:35

First, thank you. Second, uh, welcome to our life, welcome to our truly adventurous life. You are entering um a world that is really a world of our hearts, where our love is beyond the human love. Uh, we are literally borrowing God Almighty's love to navigate life, to go through the ebb and flow of life, and to go through hell and back in life, and um and to to demonstrate the possibility of a true love that is built on the foundation of God Almighty does exist for you to never give up on the dream of true love and to know the true love is not human love. True love does go through a lot of challenges, a lot of difficulties, a lot of also joys and celebrations and everything in between, and true love is put through test, and true love is the result of two people that strive to come together and be willing to be stretched, be willing to be put in various situations so a greater part of themselves shows up in that relationship where that relationship's love carries a higher mission, a higher purpose through, and that's what I would say our relationship, our devotion, our union, our marriage, our coming together is all about, and welcome, welcome into the love of our heart as we get to behold you in this space, and uh we welcome you from our heart into our community, into our courses, into our coaching. If you choose to embark on any of those, um we are very much of this world and living in this world and not from this world. And we have chosen to be fully in the body as we have remembered we're divine and human, and how beautiful it is to be in the body from our remembrance of our divinity, of that God Almighty, and be willing to allow that greater version of us show up greater and greater and greater and greater, and even greater. It never ends until the last breath that we take.

SPEAKER_01: 6:45

I appreciate that. Wow.

SPEAKER_03: 6:47

I bet that listener is just Do you think that listener got a picture of us now?

SPEAKER_01: 6:52

I think their mouth is wide open and they're like, wow, that is really profound because you're living a journey beyond human love and it's divine love. And I feel that is such an important facet to really share because in this journey of relationships, many of us have been taught this human love or what we may call conditional love, and to really come together and what I find God's grace and move through what I would say the greatest levels of tests, challenges, and the transmutation flame of everything we've gone through, it is that divine love that carries us. And I really appreciate what you said. And for many that may be hearing this, is to, you know, not to give up in where the human may seem like there is no answers yet. When we turn to God and we turn that divinity within, there's a whole new journey that I feel puts forward. And I feel like we've been put through the greatest mastery, which I don't regret a thing. I actually I appreciate, you know, when growing up, there was this let's just call it fairy tale of love, this happy. I was gonna ask you that.

SPEAKER_03: 8:14

I I really I was gonna ask you about it. I I really would love this episode to be raw and real. Yeah, like we've talked about this before, Michael. And as a when you were younger, you saying fairy tale, but did you really believe, did you really believe that you can experience that true, true love?

SPEAKER_01: 8:39

Yeah, and I did believe that I did that because I would watch every type of romantic movie, and I would you would see yourself in there. I was a hopeless romantic. I was a hopeless romantic, and maybe I was caught so deep that when I would watch that movie, I would feel that tickle in the heart or that like, wow, that like which movie?

SPEAKER_03: 9:05

Tell me, tell me, which was which was your was it the notebook? Was it the notebook or like one of her? You know, part of her checklist.

SPEAKER_02: 9:14

Ghost was good. That was deep.

SPEAKER_01: 9:16

That was a great, you know. That was a great love story. That was a great love story. That was a great love story. Um you know, I wouldn't even say back as a child, I was I loved this. I'm gonna sound corny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03: 9:29

No, no, I want you to be Roman.

SPEAKER_01: 9:31

I love cartoons. Which one? I mean, it's gonna sound love story. I mean, just stories like Cinderella or like the magic. Cinderella was a really good love story. Like the magic of even Romeo and Juliet, even though they both died, but like I guess it was the Shakespeare of even growing up of the language spoken, or um let me think of some other love stories growing up. You know what it was? Have you ever watched whether it was a lifetime, a hallmark, or something that it touched your heart so deeply? And as it touched your heart, it allowed myself or one to You mean when it touched your heart, it allowed you to allowed me to like vicariously live through that.

SPEAKER_03: 10:19

So, did you imagine that's happening to you? Is that what you're saying?

SPEAKER_01: 10:22

It was happening to me, and I was like so excited when it's my turn to grow up because I was a kid at heart for a very long time, you know this, and to experience that same love because that love it just swept me away. Like I would be in tears when I would see the embracing, the kisses, the you know, even I thought Harry Met Sally was hilarious. I loved Harry Met Sally, like there's certain love stories where you look at, and I'll probably go back to more, but there's that moment of where whether it's that first kiss or it's that moment where you see two elderly people hand in hand walking the beach, or the sunset dips into the ocean and the story ends, and it's like what so your desire was always love. My desire was not always love. My desire was love is the epitome of what I wanted to experience growing up because true love to me, it was demonstrated by my family. And again, they went through their you know ups and downs as a as a 50-year-year marriage. Yet there was something that when I would watch it or when I would see it, it felt like it dissolved anything around it. And I feel that's something But are do you think we're living that?

SPEAKER_03: 11:45

Do you believe we're experiencing that?

SPEAKER_01: 11:47

I feel like, and this is where the rubber hits the road. I feel like in our hardest moments and our greatest challenges, in times where we I won't even say how many times you're like, I'm done. This is it, I'm done.

SPEAKER_03: 12:01

And I would like talk about that too.

SPEAKER_01: 12:05

The times where we were hitting that. I would come back when we brought that love in our hearts, and that feeling once again came back, and it was like, wow, like there was this security and safety in the energy of love. And when I say love, not human love, like this divine love that just felt so complete. This feeling that when I'm gonna be a little romantic and cheesy, when two lips kiss, when two arms embrace, when two bodies touch, there's this energetic frequency that just felt home and right. And for me, growing up as a hopeless romantic, I would daydream. I would daydream, and funny enough, so you manifested me. Well, not even manifested you. I daydream, I would daydream moments. I remember this very clearly. I daydream when I was in California and I would watch the sun setting into the ocean. I remember having these like kind of like sad moments because I felt very lonely at that time. And I'm like, okay, universe, show me a picture of my love. And I swear, honey, it was like five foot one, long brown hair, beautiful, petite. Never saw the face, but I knew she was gonna be beautiful. Like, I literally, God sent me the message of you in those moments where I was like connecting with the sun, you know, me in the sun, in the sun set. You know, I felt like there was just this magical moment. And when I walked away, not feeling I have my love, of like she's out there. And then you want to hear something, Corny?

SPEAKER_03: 13:39

Yeah, I would say I love this corny part of you.

SPEAKER_01: 13:43

She's out there, and she's right now having that same thought about me. She's look, she's out there and she's thinking it, and somewhere the universe in divine nature is gonna bring us into the most extraordinary, magical moment where we're gonna be surprised, we're gonna be united, and something phenomenal is gonna happen. And I would play with that in my imagination, and most important, feel it in my heart that it became this um way of whether it was sunset, sitting on peaks, being in those magical moments by myself and just saying, Thank you, God, for this moment, which really I feel for those that are listening to show that never to give up on love, whether you're in a beautiful union relationship, or never to give up on love if you're looking or hoping or having faith that the one is out there. Because to me, even in my lowest moments and feeling like, okay, well, I've hit 30 and I've hit 40 before I met you, maybe I'm just gonna have relationships. That feeling of faith and that feeling of trust in God, and that feeling that it's gonna happen, and whenever it's meant to happen, it will be, kept that momentum until I met you in a time period, as you know, that I caught upon you two weeks before meeting you, and then the journey started. And then for the most viewers, when meeting her, I didn't even recognize it was her because I was in a puddle of gratitude of how much I thanked her for a phenomenal.

SPEAKER_03: 15:23

We're gonna talk about that. No, but let me just just an image that I held on for. I feel what's so important what you're saying to our listeners is because um I I really come to believe this. If you have a dream, there's a dream that's put inside of you, God put it on you. So if there's a dream of a real love, a real partnership, never ever give up on that dream. Go till the end and stay true to that dream. Um, as you hear in my previous episode, be ready to say no to the one that is not a no, and be willing to take steps, keep taking steps towards that person that you believe is your partner because it's definitely worth it. You do have to take chances, you do have to take risks, and you might get closer and closer, and then before you know it, you're with that person. There is no mistakes here. I like Michael, I remember as a child, I always wanted to be for me. I always wanted to be with my one, my love, like love, deep love. I just knew deep love was the answer, deep love was the truth, and this is something for me, love had so much value. I had so much value for true love. And and I if there was anything that I really wanted to experience in this life was the deepest, truest love possible. And and of course, going through um you know several decades of learning, recognizing lust is not love, it's just an excited expression of something, and true human love is very beautiful, yet that God Almighty love that this is a whole different ballgame, and I like playing a ball game of mastery in this realm.

SPEAKER_01: 17:34

So, can I tell you something that I've never told you that I can tell in front of the year?

SPEAKER_03: 17:37

Yeah, yeah, go ahead. I love it. I love this. I love this.

SPEAKER_01: 17:41

So, for the new viewer, yeah, or the ones that already know, you know, honey, and I love to be raw and real. So, honey's been helping me really come forth in my transparency, and there may be one thing that honey have never realized what I thought true love was. I thought when you get married and you find your love, then everything is going to be perfect. There's not gonna be any fights.

SPEAKER_02: 18:10

That's what I thought.

SPEAKER_03: 18:13

That's what I always thought.

SPEAKER_01: 18:15

I thought, I thought, once I get married and I find my lover, from now on, everything's gonna be okay. There's not gonna be any more fears, there's not gonna be any more worries. It's like I'm gonna be with my wife, and then everything's just gonna be like, wow, I worked myself so far up, and now I found the one. And guess what? Life is easy, peasy.

SPEAKER_03: 18:40

That's exactly what I thought. Michael, that was exactly, and that's why I was shocked and so surprised. When we came together, our journey started. I mean, we met nine years ago, and so quickly, we I mean, if you look at it nine years ago today, we met, yeah, and then that was it. We just took off. Our whole life started from the moment we met. Oh, by the way, for those of you who can watch the video, this is the this is the picture image of us. You can't see it right now, of the night we met. It's also on our Instagram. It's also you get a chance to see it. I mean, the group, I was actually um I had an event, but anyway, but Michael, I thought of that as well. So I was so shocked the amount of like bumping cards we had with each other. Like, what was that all about? That was so confusing to me.

SPEAKER_01: 19:33

I I felt like you know what it was. I felt like there was like when we look from a higher dimension, and let's just say, even a God's love. In God's love, there's nothing wrong. In God's love, there is no everything is just in full alignment. In the highest level of divine love, it just is. And so I feel that God's love and the innocence of children, when we look at that and be like, ah, everything is perfect. Well, that is God's love. Right. Because God's love is showing through anything everything and anything that God's love is. Yet I feel as a child for me, I can only speak for myself, is whether it was a movie, whether it was just that joy and fascination to be like, when I'm with my love, everything is going to be perfect. Now, that's a beautiful and amazing way to really feel. And at the same time, when we look at our mission and our earth journey and what we recognize to see is there's perfection in the imperfection, there is grace, there is expansion. If we came to this planet not to experience any fear, not to experience any stress, not to experience any worry, and most important, not to experience any growth and just state it, then I would understand what that feeling is. Yet I feel as we came together, and for those that may not know us, this opportunity is our first three weeks was the you know romance and the meeting each other, reconnecting from thousands of years, jumping into three countries, pyramids, and everything we can imagine. And then once we came back to the States, things started to hit in ways I couldn't imagine, honey couldn't imagine. It was like the infatuation love stage just went from like verse phenomenal out, and then like the three-week journey, which I thought would last for a year of that happy, infatuated year the love. And it still happens in moments, and even in that year, yet we were hit with different areas that I could not be more grateful because it exposed the areas that I felt we chose to expand to grow. And as we see in this universe, contraction, expansion, contraction, expansion. Yet the movies and yet the stories and the romance novels and the fiction shows, well, everything is perfect. Well, I will be the first to admit everything is perfect in its imperfections, but the journey definitely takes what I've learned, the greatest mastery of meeting what I would say the greatest difficulties or challenges that this human mind or human body wants to experience.

SPEAKER_03: 22:19

Coming back to me. I feel like our listeners think our relationship has been constant difficulty. So, brand new listeners, no, that is not it. Brand new listeners, no, that's not it. There's a lot of love, there's a lot of laughter, there's a lot of everything in between this. And you can, I mean, if we want actually in the room, because we're very real, there's a whole lot of videos you can watch about us. You'll you get a great glimpse of it. I'm gonna speak in this moment, in this now. Sitting next to each other, we've had a full day of celebration that started with love exchange um letters to each other. This is the first time you actually didn't, you just signed your name on the card, Michael. I I wrote on the back. You didn't write the full letter, but that's okay. I wrote a love letter for you. That's okay.

SPEAKER_01: 23:12

Because I put it in the book, it's it's coming tonight.

SPEAKER_03: 23:15

No, okay, no.

SPEAKER_01: 23:18

Tell them what happened in the morning.

SPEAKER_03: 23:20

And then this morning we exchanged so there was a there was a very thought-filled um gift that um I gave to Michael and I, which you also get a chance to see that on our Instagram post that is about a you know, a survival kit uh stick for our hiking. Just just go watch that, just go watch that real. You understand? And Michael got a chance to shower me while I was sitting in my meditation chair with a whole bunch of dollar bills, like hundred dollar bills.

SPEAKER_01: 23:55

They were metaphorically hundred dollar bills, which was really sweet.

SPEAKER_03: 23:59

That's all about blessing that we get to fulfill our mission, and more and more is coming.

SPEAKER_01: 24:04

So we're saying, divine abundance is our natural inheritance. So, as Honey always spoke about money raining upon her, it was a great opportunity to show that our in our infinite abundance, there is this opportunity to laugh, have joy, and play while it brought so much.

SPEAKER_03: 24:20

Yeah, so we laughed a lot, and this money, what I'm what I'm what I'm speaking of is God Almighty is blessing us, and as we allow this beautiful money to rain upon us, you know, there's so many of us, especially our listeners, you're part of greater mission, and to fulfill these missions, we have to allow those doors in us so that we can actually fulfill these missions. So, for so many years, Michael and I have been off grid and we've been back on grid and opening these doors to us so that we can take these next destinations. So, today was very beautiful, and we got to actually celebrate it with brand new people that um are new in our life. It was so beautiful to be at the restaurant and choosing to celebrate our anniversary with them.

SPEAKER_01: 25:12

So most people.

SPEAKER_03: 25:14

Oh, here's the water, here's the water, here's the water for Michael.

SPEAKER_01: 25:19

So most people would imagine when you celebrate an anniversary, usually it's between the couple. But what I loved about Honey, and if anyone knows Honey, she loves being so creative in doing new things that add excitement and joy. And today it was another adventure and journey of well, instead of celebrating our anniversary between each other, which we did, how many of you could imagine on an anniversary, you go out and celebrate your anniversary with people you've barely met, yet already have a connection with and open up under a beautiful Michelin fine dining Indian restaurant in Washington, DC. To me, that was just another amazing, unique talent that I love about you, honey, because there's this there's this unique power about yourself that your ideas come out. And you're like, wow, what would you like to do for an anniversary? I have a great idea. And of course, when I hear Honey's ideas, I have to hear because it's not just a great idea, it's a phenomenal idea.

SPEAKER_03: 26:34

It's something very unique and I can understand because I feel if in some individual might be resistant. How can I go celebrate my anniversary with people I have no clue, the brand new strangers? And I was like, well, why not? Let's get to know them. Let's let's what let's go to the unknown. We don't never know. They might just become our best friends. Let's just go discover. And and I love like I as you know, we we we do this, and some of you listeners know us very well. You're part of our community, you know, whenever we have a circle, we always gift. And so was able to put a little gift together, sentimental gift, and it just felt so great to extend the love of where we are in our life. This the this beautiful love that God Almighty has gifted us with, and we get to we get to actually share that with others. Like, could you imagine blessed we are in a minute? But we get to just share that on that day, and and they and they all receive the joy of it, and it and it wasn't that we were pushing it, it just we get to share the celebration, right?

SPEAKER_01: 27:46

And it wasn't even based for those that are listening, it wasn't based on our anniversary and why we had this. Actually, it was a wonderful communal meal for us to connect deeper in the program that we're in. And I just want to take a moment and I'll ask the listeners have you ever been in a situation where you were went to a, let's just say, a gathering, and you're invited to a gathering, yet, like the secret special sauce in the gathering is the hosts are inviting you, and behind the scenes is this beautiful loving anniversary that we cherish deeply, and we're celebrating it with you, and you barely know us, or actually knew that it was our anniversary to begin with.

SPEAKER_03: 28:33

What do you mean, would you have gone to it?

SPEAKER_01: 28:34

I would have gone two seconds to know why. Because after experiencing this, I could see and feel the amount of love, which usually happens, and for those that know us very well, in our presence, we love to speak of love and the experience and the joy, and most important, we love to share it. And I feel in our ability to share it and connect with people that can receive and really amplify it through our laughter, through our giddiness, through the gifts. It was it just feels so beautiful that, like, wait, honey, we have all this love. Doesn't it feel kind of weird that we're just kind of holding it back between each other? Shouldn't we go out now and celebrate and fill up stadiums with people and now really share that love? Because with 10 people today, it was like I saw each of them touched when you were expressing, you know, your dreams, when things came up and the giddiness of your tone and the realness of your voice, the love was so palpable in the hearts that it was like this is what I feel we're destined to do in ways that this humanity is ready for to walk, live, breathe, and be in this state of divine love, so that we can share it and know this is our mission. Because when we walk through it, to me it's like the most precious feeling that we can possibly.

SPEAKER_03: 30:00

I love what you said because I have come across, as you have, so many of our friends, so many people we know that it's almost like they have lost hope in love because of they've experienced so much hurt in life, they've shut their heart to love, and they're afraid to to to go near it, and therefore they're not gifting themselves the blessing of the power of love, number one. How love is the key to everything, is the glue to everything, is the ultimate transformer is love, it truly transcends, it truly makes the impossible possible. It is the the ultimate mercy, the ultimate, I mean it's the ultimate weapon of all is love. And and when individuals they use the word very loosely, oh love and light, that stuff, they they're coming from human, and they're coming from the limitation of the human, from the sense, and they're they're associating with the emotion, not as a living vibration, not as a living testament. Love is a state of consciousness, it is the ultimate presence of God Almighty. And people who haven't allowed that in themselves, they're not experiencing it, therefore they're not they're not able to be touched, transformed, transcended by its power. So therefore, they they're not bringing into their life their they're seeing through the lens of again this this narrow lens that is still judgmental, is separated. It comes with so many other things. Yet you and I have been able to, because on the inside we know this to be true, and our journey has been this nine years to go through so much to understand the journey when we're coming from human love, how how limiting it is, and how when we allow God Almighty's love, because how many times we've had to forgive each other, how many times we've had to just like know from let's be lighthearted, the true love will see this differently, and that's been that stretch, and it's it's so powerful, it moves mountains, and that's what I would love for our listeners to realize when you give yourself permission to really love, you will be transformed, and your life will be transformed, those around you would be transformed, and the blessing of that transformation will continue to radiate out of you, and it flows through you, and your life keeps on getting better and better and better, and God Almighty pours the blessings and and and betterness through you, and therefore there's also this, there's also this incredible door of heaven that you have opened that you are bringing onto Michael. That makes a lot of sense. And are you trying to make notes?

SPEAKER_01: 33:40

No, there's just this you when you say when you give yourself the permission to love, you're making a note to yourself.

SPEAKER_03: 33:46

Michael is making a note. So excuse listeners that are not watching the video, you are saying this. So, so point being, you beautiful listeners, we have six weeks till the end of the year. You know, maybe, maybe we'll challenge you to give yourself permission to love you like you've never loved yourself before. Maybe start with that. How are some ways you can truly love? And I'm not talking about a selfish love, I'm talking about a true, not even a deserving love, a true, honorable reception of love, allowing yourself to receive, receive God Almighty's love in you, through you, and see what happens over the next six weeks till we have we hit the end of the year.

SPEAKER_01: 34:40

And you know what really hit me because it kind of it answers the question how we both had this vision of like when we're in true love, everything's gonna be perfect.

SPEAKER_03: 34:49

Everything is okay.

SPEAKER_01: 34:49

Okay, everything's okay. We're everything's gonna be leveled. Yet what's so interesting after hearing you, I just saw this image of when we're in that true love. There is this true light that's so bright that it actually shines so much on the other person that actually allows the other person, or really makes the other person see the aspects within them that they haven't loved. Yeah. See the areas within them that has been the shadow, which brings that up to be seen because there's no way around it. So for it to be loved. So it's so so for that to be loved, yet in our human nature, when that comes up, we see it as a conflict, we see it as a problem, we see it as a challenge. Yet as you were sharing this, I just saw this image of like God's love is so bright that it's it's opening up the greater awareness of everything around. And I feel in this incredible journey of ascension, pure awareness of what hasn't been love so that it can be transmuted back into love.

SPEAKER_03: 35:55

And that's the embodiment portion. So it's the ascension embodiment portion. And Michael, with that, so you know how we were talking about like we've been in this in this space for the past few months. Okay, so what is our elevator pitch? Uh, how can we say what we do very quickly? And and we have different mentors that say different things. And Michael and I were sitting yesterday, I was like, Michael, you know, it's so beautiful, it's so easy for us. Because for us, it's whoever is overwhelmed and is worried and concerned. What do they want? They want to be easeful, they want to be peaceful, they want to be joyful, and that's what we help them. And how do we help them? It's so easy. Helping them come back to God Almighty's love. I mean, this is our work. We work from God, God Almighty. Our our true essence is that, and our way is through loving, truly, truly loving. And we understand for some this is difficult because it's like it's like, what is that? Yet, yet this is our nature, this is our untruth. And because I feel for so long, because we were not, because we weren't accepted, being who we are, being in that truth, we took that as a rejection, so we closed off, and over these past nine years, we've had to heal so much individually and in our relationship so that we are fully safe being in our bodies with that truth and that luminosity of that pure love, and there is no shutting down. Like today, we we got we got to be completely ourselves in that state with with our pure love, and and it feels so great to be so free with it. Of course, we've been for several years with, and that's that's the beauty of it.

SPEAKER_01: 38:03

It's it it's so beautiful because I feel when those can capture the essence of it and say that when this pure love hits and brings up the discomfort, or it brings up the areas that may feel challenged that the human mind can easily run away from because it may see it as a judgment, it's coming back to God's grace and saying, This is a gift of what's been blessed upon us because it's serving something greater than what this mind can easily even understand, because that true love is so high and it it's so brilliant and so bright that in our nine years, I feel like that light shines, it shines, it shines, it shines, and it keeps illuminating in areas that are allowing us to be the greatest expression of ourselves. And that greatest expression to me is like allowing the true raw and real. And that's why I love you so much, honey, because that true raw and real is like no holds bar back and giving the permission for others to see that this is the journey. Because if you really look at it, Michael. Isn't it so much easier to run away when it's not working, or there's a problem, or there's a judgment, or the other person has an issue with it.

SPEAKER_03: 39:27

Well, there is no art to that because it's much easier to suppress, depress, compress, oppress, blame, shame, blame, shame, all of that. There's no art to that because it's so easy to give into that. Yet, this is a whole different level when you as an individual consciously, deliberately take a stand in that true truth awareness within, because the frequency of truth is always one. There's not 10,000 truths, it's one, and when we lean into the frequency of truth, that permanence of God Almighty is on the inside, it responds back when we lean on it. So when we're in that that revelation is so crisp and clear, it is the is a full natural state. It's it's filled, it's full, it's plenty full. It doesn't need anything from outside, nothing is needed on the outside. So therefore, it operates from that that functionality, that streaming, it's ever flowing streaming. And there is such a freedom in that.

SPEAKER_01: 40:49

Such a freedom. It's like a river that like opens up, and all of a sudden that flow comes in. You're like, wow, how was this never expressed in the beginning? But I feel that's the journey, and that it is a journey, it is a journey to because then then from that place, from this awareness that we're speaking of, you you will only handle it with honor, with grace, honor.

SPEAKER_03: 41:17

You you understand so deeply what honor is, what grace is, and and it is handled with so much reverence, never mishandling it. And you there's this recognition, and then inside that this stream, this stream, this river that's that's open up to me, I am the vessel that it will run through me for me to allow it to run through me, to bless me, and I will only do a lot of good with this.

SPEAKER_01: 41:56

I have a question, and this is a question that I'm sure for our listeners, and I'm sure a listener may resonate with this because this is a question that I feel at least one person in life, or many of us have felt in this journey of love. We speak about human love, we speak about divine love, God's love, and then there's those that may have never known what it is to feel love because of the pain, trauma, hurt, or just the life they grew up in. So here's my question for those that have a hard time receiving love, feeling love, expressing love, what would you say to that listener that divine love may feel like a far-off galaxy because they can't even understand what it is to even put themselves in love because of the pain and hurt and maybe just the rejection of it because it's been so difficult through their life? What would you say to that person that's listening to this that could be being triggered, that may be like, I don't understand love because every time I get in love, I get hurt, or each time I'm in a relationship, I get so far and then it fails. And they're like, divine love? Well, that's that's not even a question because I can't even stabilize human love.

SPEAKER_03: 43:18

Um that's a really good question. I would answer it in this way. What I spoke of is for believers. I'm not here to convince non-believers of this. What I'm speaking of is for those, if that dream or vision was put inside of you, even you've gotten hurt. It doesn't matter. We all have gotten hurt. The hurt has been part of the journey onto arriving to that place. If that vision has been placed in you, God Almighty, that means you are going to experience it. If you're on this podcast, you're listening to Michael and I, out of eight billion people, you happen to be here on our anniversary, listening to sacred union of a divine love, somehow that means on the inside of you, there's a truth that knows this on the inside that this is also supposed to be for you. So, therefore, here's the good news. If you've got some healing to do, go on a beautiful healing. Believe me, it's worth it. Clearing. If your heart is, you're finding yourself, you know, there's there, but you know what? I'm afraid of this, or I've been hurt before, I've shut it down, I don't even go near. No problem. No problem. I will share this with you, however. If you have been one of those souls planted, seated on this planet to carry this level of love, you can go hide all you want. God's gonna get you out of that hole and you and cave, and it's gonna put you through things to make sure you do what you gotta do. Because if you were seated to seed this growth in you, and to grow that tree of love and to bear the fruits of it, you were destined to do it, don't run away from you. So much greatness will come out of you. It's part of your mission on this earth, and everybody, everybody around you will receive the blessing that it is beyond you. So maybe that will be a uh a realm of possibility. Maybe you just needed to exactly hear this. What I will share with you if there is somebody in your life that you believe is your divine partner, and that person believes is your divine partner, know challenges that you will face as part of it. You must experience these challenges together that nobody wants to talk about. Because it is through those challenges that your love will be put to test to see if it can handle the rest. And the rest is the bigger visions, requires maturity of this love to actually handle it, not mishandle it, be so mature in handling it. That's why you go through that. That's why me and Michael are also moving this direction to work with other couples so that way they become stronger in it, so they don't think that there's something wrong. There's actually something right. This is part of the clearing of your internal bodies that have to clear from the old, so that way this in pouring of the river of love through you, so you can you can truly handle it and navigate it with this. So don't give up, ask for help, and don't rely on resources. Resources means people, everything else, go directly to source. For Michael and I, our number one starts with source, source of the creator of that love, God Almighty. And this is why you always hear me say God Almighty. I am referring to the creator that created everything, God Almighty that source. Both him and I come straight to source, we'll receive from the source first, not resources. Michael, if Michael and I share enough, that's a resource that's coming from the human. I'm going straight up first, getting what I the I'm receiving from the creator in me first, and that's been a big part of with Michael as well. So then we bring that to each other. So don't give up, keep going. Um tighten up your relationship with God Almighty, let yourself be carried, be carried in that river of love.

SPEAKER_01: 48:44

I love what you said about that river of love, because I feel as that river of love expands and grows, it washes away a lot of the impurities of pain and hurt from the past. So it's like for those that are listening, and whether they have gone through hurt and pain, whatever. As you and I has had whether they're in a relationship or not in a relationship, because this source love is creation love, is within you. That as we see that river of love first harness within ourselves first, God's love within, it becomes a natural purifier to then open up to the greater love, the conduit that we are to attract everything that we want. And I feel sometimes that when it doesn't attract, it naturally magnetizes. That's what I meant. Naturally magnetizes, and I feel that's one area, and I'm sure many listeners can see and maybe understand that we were never quite taught that growing up. We weren't shown from this lens. And I find there's a reason why we weren't shown that because we had to learn that ourselves, because if we were taught, it wouldn't come through the same understanding or really the same transformation as we would go in this personal individualized journey. And I'll say this for honey.

SPEAKER_03: 50:02

So it becomes a living testament.

SPEAKER_01: 50:04

A living testament. And I would say this, you know, for those that don't know me or do, before I met Honey, I would travel around the world. I you know, go grab a backpack, grab my journals, grab my books, and I'd go out there seeking what was seeking me, and that was love. And when I say seeking love, understanding it from a perspective of what is this love that I have craved since a child? What is it that is deep? And not in that romantic lust, okay, I'm gonna go chase, but more of that greater But you have romantic love with me, darling.

SPEAKER_00: 50:41

What I'm saying is before I met you, of course.

SPEAKER_01: 50:43

But what I'm saying is when I was in that single phase of going up, there was this curiosity of like, wow, what is this love about? And I I find that for those that are really seeking and wanting to be in a sacred relationship, what I learned is it was a journey of falling in love with myself in a way that I've never fallen in love with myself before. Meaning going out to really see what is it that I feel that is important to me in loving myself like I've never been loved that way. Learning what is it that I need to feel safe and secure in myself because understanding now, nine years later, I can't look at honey to complete my love. I can't look at honey to fill the hole or the not good enough or those old wounds that sometimes come up.

SPEAKER_03: 51:35

Doesn't it feel so good? We're not doing that anymore. Right.

SPEAKER_01: 51:38

I mean, it's like it's and it's something that I wish, and I'm sure listeners would love to hear this. I wish could have been placed in nursery school or fifth grade uh kindergarten when you're five years old, and we just turn on the chapter of love of saying, fill your own cup first so that the cup is overflowing when you meet someone, then you're sharing that cup of love and you're magnetizing and reflecting that love from each other because it's not about needing love or you know, withdrawing love or trying to obtain love because if there's a hole within, it's this love within. And so it was amazing. A year before I remember this, I was in Bali and I was traveling, and it was like, I really have to start loving myself because, as many of us, I was loving everything outside of me, loving to heal, loving to travel, loving nature. I was like, I love love. And then it came back to me. I'm like, well, am I talking about myself in love? Am I is the voice are my values, my thoughts, my emotions? Is that meeting me? So I felt like this.

SPEAKER_03: 52:43

Well, that itself then is on a journey, right? That's been a whole journey.

SPEAKER_01: 52:47

Which which after the fact, I thought I was just I was like hitting this superficial, like dermal layer of the skin of like, oh, I love myself through this, this, this, but that was nothing compared to what we've been doing the past year in our self-mastery courses of looking at thoughts, looking at emotions, looking at how these limited beliefs have held us back from our complete level of God's love within, that it becomes a whole new journey of like, oh wow, now it's really incorporating every moment first thing in the morning is to connect with that love, calibrate to that love, and then share and express that love by what we do best and by being it. By being it. And so I feel it gives hope, it gives faith for those that can really see how important it is to go within. Because once that love is illuminated, we've seen the magic of the magic occur, and that's where we just step back and say, Wow, what a journey.

SPEAKER_03: 53:51

Because what what what is the byproduct of this? Is the byproduct is greater health, greater wealth, greater collaboration, greater um creation, greater community, greater exploration. There's just the overflow pours into every area of life. And so the takeaway as we wrap up, Michael, takeaway of our anniversary, happy nine year. We completed nine years of journey, and now we're getting ready to go into the next nine years, and um, our beautiful listeners get to witness our next nine years, and I'm excited.

SPEAKER_01: 54:45

I'm really, really excited. I'm excited because I feel like we've we've completed so many chapters, and like I feel like we've gotten a little what do you mean chapters?

SPEAKER_03: 54:54

Books, darling. Like, how many books did we like put to rest?

SPEAKER_01: 54:59

I feel like in the etheric realm, you know, like at the Olympics, they put the golden medals around like the people that have won, that have passed like certain events. I feel like we were like carrying medals around us because we've we've gone through the mountains, in the valleys, in the desert of just mastering what I would say are some of the most difficult areas, and now been like I've climbed that mountain. Yeah, we've been now on the other side, and to see the gifts of those trials and tribulations have only given us a greater magnification of the love that naturally shines through us. So now I'm thanking and enjoying. Okay, go ahead and thank me.

SPEAKER_03: 55:39

Go ahead and thank me nine years later.

SPEAKER_01: 55:42

Thank you from the bottom of my heart for witnessing, seeing, and persevering through every challenge I placed through you in every stubborn nature of the age of my dark edge of soul of trying to figure out how to come back to America after living ten years in Mexico.

SPEAKER_03: 56:00

Well, can we not talk about that, right? We're over that, right? We're over that.

SPEAKER_01: 56:04

And just the gift of what I would say is coming back to the heart and recognizing God brought us together to serve this sacred mission. And most important to share that and the joy, laughter, and fun that we know how to play in this light of love that is.

SPEAKER_03: 56:21

Yeah, and we played today, by the way. You get it, you heard it on the last episode. We got to go to the dopamine land. Dopamine man, we we experienced with light sound, sounds all of that. That was really fun. The little kid inside of us had a good time. You like my little surprise today. I loved it. I loved it. Today was a great day.

SPEAKER_01: 56:40

It was a beautiful day, and I'm sure.

SPEAKER_03: 56:42

Today was a great celebration, and I love the pizza at the end, all day wasn't the best. Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 56:46

Honey wanted very good pizza, so obviously, 50 years of this one restaurant, we chose to have a date in the car.

SPEAKER_03: 56:53

We love our date in the car with food, fresh hot food. We love that.

SPEAKER_01: 56:58

And I feel what's so important is we get to share this love with you.

SPEAKER_02: 57:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 57:03

And when Honey said, Um, would you like to come on this podcast? I feel once again, it's another element to be wow, how we not only get to experience our love with each other, but we get to experience with the other things.

SPEAKER_03: 57:20

Yeah, but now it's like a now. But we did it live stream on on uh Facebook today, which was so precious. We got to be out several times and and like and on our podcast, we love podcasting, and we get to share this, and I like again, raw and raw, real, unscripted. Here I I didn't plan for it to go this way, but here it is, right?

SPEAKER_01: 57:45

How beautiful it is at the end of the day, we get to bring our hearts because it has been one of those sacred moments we get to enjoy. Yes, we get to have fun. So thank you, honey.

SPEAKER_03: 57:54

Thank you, my love, and thank you, you beautiful listeners. Thank you for being in our lives, thank you for being part of our community, part of our podcasting experience. We're almost almost at the end of our podcast training, two more weeks until we are professional podcasters, and we've already we're already in the top 10%. Thank you. Can we give it, can we give it a little yeah? Thanks to all of you for listening, downloading. We're so grateful. We really, really thank you from the core of our heart because as you're listening, each time you download, you listen, you allow our podcast to be shared with more people, and we would love it if you share it with others because we want these kinds of conversations to be out more, and we're going to be going much more deeper into these areas and to to put value around what's possible, and that's the most important thing. And as we wrap off, what's one takeaway, Michael? You have one takeaway, and I have one takeaway from today.

SPEAKER_00: 59:09

Wow, one. It's hard to think. I'm gonna let you go first because I have to ground into this one takeaway.

SPEAKER_03: 59:14

So, my takeaway is whether it's your birthday, whether it's your anniversary, whether it's it's some kind of celebration, give yourself permission to celebrate it with others that you may not even know. You have no idea what will come out of that. Let your love always be free and not imprison it.

SPEAKER_01: 59:41

My takeaway today is it doesn't take an anniversary, it takes every single moment in life that we can share this love. And anniversaries we absolutely love. Birthdays we absolutely love, celebrations we absolutely love. And I love that you said celebrate. How this love can be rooted like it's an anniversary every day, it's a celebration every day, and how we can really take that moment and seed that at the very beginning of the day. So that as we go to bed and end that day, we start as we finish with that godly love that fully fills our cups and makes it a good day. I love that takeaway.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:30

Thank you. It just I wanted to hear yours because there was, as you know, mine. I have like streamlined.

SPEAKER_03: 1:00:38

We don't need to go there. We just it's nine years out of marriage and it's all good, all good, all good. So thank you so much for being with us. Thank you for hearting us. Thank you for journeying with us. Thank you for being part of this beautiful celebration. If you received it, great. And if you didn't, that's also great. We're not we're not here to prove anything, we're just here to share exactly what we are and who we are. And uh for those of you, this for those of you that um might want to know, Michael next week for five weeks has um a way to help some of the men in your life, whether it's your brother, whether it's your uncle, whether it's your father, whether it's your spouse. Five weeks starting next Monday, he is gonna coach these men for one hour to just help them, not be stressed. I told Michael, I said, Michael, can you please help these men, coach them, not bring their stress, the worry, the anxiety in the house, and just have a better environment. Help them take that away so that way they can show up with more of this openness. I'm so grateful you said yes. Thank you. So please send your men Michael's way. He starts it next week, uh, Monday for five weeks, one hour, it's on Monday night at 7 p.m., right? We got that 7 p.m. Eastern time. That's right. And and let your men be lifted. So, I mean, I feel like a lot of times men need this help, but they just don't know where to go. And what if they can actually allow their stress, worry, overwhelm be lessened? Yeah, there'll be a much greater expression coming out of them. So, thank you for that. And we will see you on our next episode. Thank you so much again for being here.

SPEAKER_00: 1:02:35

Thank you for joining us. What a beautiful, blessed day to all of you.

SPEAKER_03: 1:02:38

Yes, much love, and we'll see you on the next episode.