How Successful Men Can Spot a GOLD DIGGER On A First Date! | ft. Julius Dein

What happens when one of the world’s most famous magicians with 70M+ followers, viral videos and billions of views... deletes it all to start over?

In this episode of Desirable, Julius Dein sits down with Sonya Love & Agon Love for an unfiltered conversation about love, dating, fame, and why authenticity matters more than numbers. Nothing is off-limits.

Julius opens up about:
✅ His “exploratory” dating phase after heartbreak and why depth now matters more than looks
✅ Avoidant tendencies, freedom vs. closeness, and what ended his last relationship
✅ How fame changes dating dynamics and how he spots opportunists vs. genuine partners
✅ Why he deleted over 50 billion views of viral content to reclaim his truth
✅ The double standards around sex, intimacy, and what truly makes someone desirable
✅ His lessons on money, reciprocity, and long-term compatibility in relationships
✅ Moving on from love without resentment and how he’s grown from past heartbreak

From magic to business, heartbreak to healing, Julius brings honesty, humor, and surprising vulnerability.

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Transcript

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What is the Tinder profile? He's had no time to prepare the Julius Dean. This is not scripted or anything like that. Show us your phone. Tinder. So you actually, are you getting nervous? So welcome back to the number one relationship podcast in the universe. The universe. I like that. My name is Agon, and I'm Sonya. And together we are Desirable. Desirable. Who do we have with us today, Sonya? Today we have a really interesting guest. He is a social media legend with over 70 million followers online. He's also one of the most famous magicians to have ever existed. Totally a very successful businessman. And my favorite quality is that he might be one of the most funny people I've ever met, ladies and gentlemen. Let's go. Hey, thank you. Thank you. You know, I wanna provide some context'cause I think it's very important to say here, to go clean. You have given us the absolute power to ask you any types of questions. Yes, I have. You said, do anything you want, ask anything. I have no limitations. You ask great questions as you, as you've always done. They will be a bit difficult and I think it makes sense that we just start right away from. The one that is perhaps not so difficult. What is your love life like today? What is my love life like? My love life? Do you mean my romantic love life? Yes. No, I mean, the love you have for your dog. Well, no, I, I, yes. Look, I've, I I'm trying to understand the word love. Yes. Oh, that's beautiful. It's evolution in my life of like what love is from when I was a child, and it's like a crush to being deeply in love with like my first gu, like my first proper girlfriend. That, that, that broke my heart. And now I'm in a different stage of my life where I'm trying to re-understand the word love. I know We went very deep, very fast. That's undesirable part. The answer is that my love life, it, it does not deeply exist right now. I have relationships. I have like, like basically I'm not in love at this very second in time. That's what I'm saying. Are you dating? Um, yeah. I'd say I'm dating, I'm, I'm in exploratory phase in my life where I'm just exploring. Okay, cool. Do you know what? Prove it? Show. Show me what you have on your Tinder profile. Yo. Yeah. I just show you my Tinder profile. You said absolutely not. You said anything was allowed. Come on. No, absolutely not. He said it. Yeah, he said it. No. Come on, come on. Show us. We just wanna listen. Listen how you market yourself. Listen, listen, listen. Absolutely not. It's already public property. Because my Tinder's actually banned. But, but, but long story. But I can show you my Bumble. Okay. Okay. Done. Come space for you right here. Wow. He is doing it. Buble, you blocked on Tinder. Long story. Give us a, a, a short break of your story. He's blocked on Tinder. I don't know what that means. I can't tell you, but it's nothing, uh, is it safe for us to have this guy on our podcast? Gave you such a good platform to show yourself as a good partner. Alright, listen, listen. Bumble, Bumble, I may, I may or may have not used like my friend who's a techie guy, we, he created like a script, like mass, like girls, right? So that way Oh my God, it was like a mass swiping machine. No, no, no, no. What it did, right, what it did right. Is it like, it basically pulled all the, all of the, it did a mass, like, and it pulled all the, all the Instagrams. Mm-hmm. From Bumble, uh, from Tinder. So it just created a, a folder. Like it was like a script. Okay. Okay. Every word you'll say from here can be used against you. This is enough show as your Bumble. Yeah. So basically my al band for that. Okay, I'm gonna record the POV of the audience, which is me. Oh, magic. Such deep eyes, so compassionate. I think it's the blue eyes. Yeah. Yeah. There we go. Magician, YouTuber, internet entrepreneur, London Boy, boy. Give you a cookie. What is a cookie? Open to your interpretation. Agon. What is a cookie? No, a cookie's. A cookie. I know. Big cookie. No, just a cookie. I love it. Listen, it's not open term tempation. Honestly. It's so funny because, oh wow. Look at this model. Boy. Wow. Right? Wow. Intelligence is sexy. But, but I Honest, honest. Well, it's all true. Yes. Well, I try to keep it authentic. You are very authentic showing this to us, by the way. I love it. Yeah, I can, can you really? The, I've actually forgotten that. No, ZY it was like Z-Y-X-R-Q-P ut, oh, I forgot. Actually, I was a complete lie stupidness. I expected your profile to be very different. I'm very impressed. I thought it's more ranchy, bro. There we go. Nah, I'm not put myself, I'm not. I thought you was gonna show. I'm a, I'm a Z list public figure. I'm gonna be like, oh yeah, let's have sex. Yeah, we can. We can eat a cookie in my bed. Yeah. Did you just say Z list? Z List means like I'm the lowest level of of fame. That's why you can say alphabet from behind YX. Yeah. Awesome. I'll be y after. After. Thank you. After this podcast, I'll be a Y lister. Thank you. Well, that's it. Only undesirable. Can you see into the life? Of a ze list. I can attest these very desirable ze lister profile. Thank you Jules, for sharing. Thank you. Thank you. I wanna know, since you're exploring Yeah. What makes a person desirable to you? Um, what makes someone desirable to me? Yes. If I were to write down my qualities of like the perfect girl Yeah. Your, your list. Yeah. It would be someone who's intelligent, someone who's, um, who's funny. Someone who's driven, and someone who could be a great mother. Oh, wow. Yeah. I think because I, because of the person I want to be in love with and spend my time with in depth versus like just having fun with, would be someone that I can really build and build and develop a life with in the long run. Okay. And even though I'm in an exploratory phase of my life, I am looking to be more serious with my relationships and my connections as I grow older. I think when you're like in your early twenties, you're kind of like, yeah, let's have fun. Let's do this, let's do that. Yeah. But as you kind of grow older and you are. Friends start getting engaged and kids start popping out, everything gets more fucking serious in your mind. And it's just like, Jesus Christ, I don't wanna be left behind. So now I need to start taking things more seriously. Okay. Um, so mentally, yeah, my perspective has shift shifted. Mm-hmm. And it's actually really interesting because like when I was younger, it would be like, oh, she's fit. Yeah. Like, oh, she's hot. I like her, I'm attracted to her. Mm. Whereas now, like when I'm talking with, with women,'cause you know, I'm straight just FYI. Yeah. Um. It's like a slightly different perspective. I'm not just thinking like, can I hook up with you or can I have fun with you? Mm. It's like, where can this go? Mm. And that's really, that's something that I've experienced over the last two years. When I was 28, it kind of hit me like that. I was like, damn, I'm not just trying to have fun. Wow. So I'm not in love because I don't feel like I've met the right woman that I can spend a long period of time with. Mm-hmm. Um, but I'm definitely like exploring different relationship, like different dynamics. Yeah. And I'm, I'm a pretty open book and Okay. I have a lot of girl friends that I spend time with. Mm-hmm. Um, you know, like I can see so everyone's listening. Yeah. No, I You have a single man. I guess what I mean by that is like, I'm not saying like, I'm like a player or a fuck boy. Yeah. Right. I, I'm not a player. You're not saying that? No, no, no, no. Like you, that's not your assessment of yourself. No. Okay. No. Every girl that like I spend time with, like I see as a friend. Yeah. Um, I'm just saying that like, um. Yeah, I just like, I, I'm a believer in like, iterating as you go along. Perfect. Right? So some people will be like, oh, I'm not gonna be with like some girls. I've got some girlfriends and some guy friends that are really like prissy and, um, a little bit arrogant. They're like, oh, I'm only gonna. Be with this guy. Like, I want the guy that's, you know, we know certain people. I want a guy that's this, the guy that's rich, the guy that's good looking, the guy that's tall, the guy that's, yeah. And, you know, they just, it doesn't work out for them. You know, this is a perfect question, like, perfect segue to my next question, which is, what makes you desirable? That's a great question. This is what I have. What makes you desirable? I've, I've got vibrant colors. I wear vibrant colors. For everyone who can't see, he's dressed amazingly today. Yeah. Listen, very bright. That's a great question. I've actually not been asked that in a long time. Um, in a, in a public setting where I have to basically just sing my praises as to my best qualities. Sing your praises. You're very good with, so, okay. What makes me desirable? No, like, honestly, you're, it's not, not because like, okay, listen, truly I think that what makes me desirable is that I truly believe that I'm a good person. I have the best interest of my friends and my family around. And if you are part of, I see myself as a wolf. And if you're part of my circle. I'll look out for you. I'll be there for you unrequited. So why does that make me a good partner? I think the, the woman that I end up with or, you know, however that evolves, I will be there for them through thick and through thin. And that comes with loyalty. Yeah. Uh, I'm entrepreneurial, so I'm smart and I'm successful. So I think that's important as what I can provide. So I'm loyal, I can provide, and I think that I'm fun and I think that's really important. So. That's why I would be desirable to a woman. I can just say personally the wolf thing. Mm-hmm. It is very desirable. Mm, I got you. Yeah, I got you. Thank you. Speak of the Ws and everything. Yeah. Okay. Can, can I be heard? Yeah. All good. It's all good. Speak of the wolves. Yeah, it's really nice. I think that, I don't know, I might be speaking for most women that, that quality of wanting to be with someone that, you know, can protect you and like providing, I think doesn't always have to be financial. Mm-hmm. Which you also can provide, which is amazing. Well done. Thank you. Thank you. But also there's that like care and support and like if, like you said, if you're in my, if you're in my circle Yeah. I've got your back. Yeah. And like yeah. It's very, it's very desirable. So cool. Yeah. I think it's super important. All the ladies. I, I love this. I, I think it's so interesting that. Yeah, we kind of live in times and era where we are so naturally good in, uh, talking about what we're good at. I wonder on, on the contrary, what do you think you have to work on? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Can I make a double question? Yeah. Ooh. Like,'cause I'm curious'cause I feel like double You really learned these things in a relationship. Yeah. Right? Yeah. So if you could answer what you need to work on mm-hmm. Based on what you've learned in your past relationship, that would be quite useful. You can do both. Yeah, sure. I mean, I learned a few things from my last relationship. Mm-hmm. I've learned that I'm a very specific type of person. Yes, you are. You know, Sonia was saying something that made me think, I was saying that love can seem so hard when we don't have the tools and we feel like we need to navigate it all alone. Yeah. I, I feel like we've gotten used to this concept that love must be either self-love or maybe love with a partner, but how about learning about love in a group of people who want to be better at it? Exactly. And it will really, really help us if you help us hit that subscribe button because we can reach more people and get the best guests on the show that help us push that narrative of believing in love again. So do that, please. And, and as you hit subscribe, maybe also hit the bell so you never miss an episode. Thank you so much. You so much. I need my, I need my space. Mm-hmm. Okay. Um, and I need to feel free. Mm. And freedom is a very important part of my life. Principles. Mm. Freedom and novelty. Right. In my last relationship, even though she was a great girl and she was amazing, I felt like I lacked freedom and novelty. So somehow, some way in my future relationships as and when they, when they come, I need to feel like I have freedom to just, you know, whatever that may mean. Not that I'm not, yeah. I would love to ask a question because freedom can mean so many things and novelty can freedom for some people is open relationship. Yeah. For others it's like, Hey, let me do my job. Yeah. I mean, type of thing. Right? It's, it's honestly what is freedom to you in a relationship? It's a great question. And it is very abstract. Mm-hmm. Um, I can't tell you what it's like gonna be like in my next relationship. I can tell you that in my last relationship, it was somewhat of a compatibility thing, where like she had certain needs, which she's fully entitled to feel. Mm-hmm. She wants to, you know, spend a lot of time with me. You know, like, whereas for me, like I was doing a lot of different things. I'm working on my business, I'm traveling for work, I'm doing investments, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm kind of, I do a lot of different things. So, so, um, yeah. It was just a clash of what we wanted. Mm. So with my next relationship, I hope that the girl that, that I'm with, as I say, you know, can, can kind. Give me the space whilst also being the things I want her to be. And would you want your partner to have the same need? Would you feel comfortable with your partner turning it around and wanting freedom as well? The same way you Yeah, I think, I think that's probably a necessity. It's that whole like, you know, uh, anxious attachment, avoidant attachment. If she's constantly pulling on me, it's like, ju, let's hang out. Let's hang out, let's hang out, let's hang out. Which a lot of partners spend all the time together. It's a, I could probably think of partners. It's a lot language maybe in this room that spend all their time together. I don't know anyone like this. Yeah. Who, who is, who are you? Yeah. Who are you talking about? But I think it's my personality type that if someone wants to hang out with me all the time. Right. I pull away and I feel like, wow, if this feels like an obligation, I don't wanna do this right now. What I'm gonna essentially say is I probably have some level of deep rooted, um, trauma or, you know, some type of like fucked up thing in my mind where like, you know, I'm just pulling and pushing, you know, and it's gonna probably gonna be maybe an issue in my future relationships. So, because the other area is like novelty mm-hmm. And it's like, um, you know how to keep things interesting. Right. And, you know, these are questions that I'm thinking about and working on. Yeah. Um, as I'm in my journey of finding love and building connections. Mm-hmm. You know, it's really interesting you say that because funnily enough, it sounds a little bit like what Agon would tell me when we were initially dating. Hmm. Like, he was telling me that he was not actually looking for, or he couldn't even have imagined that love in its healthy bonded form. Could exist. And so he was looking for a partnership where, you know, I do my own thing and I'm, I'm speaking for you, but it just reminded me of that. Right. Yeah. Like, like I think perhaps I would assume more men suffer from this specific emotional illness. Mm-hmm. Where we, we doubt. That we can be capable to being like a genuine love. Mm. I think it's more often that women would dream for this like movie like Titanic type of love that's like romantic and fully present and men can be skeptical about it, especially based on my experience. And so women too. I was skeptical. Yeah, you were skeptical. Yeah. Because you had quite a unique experience as well as the me I think I fully understand what you mean, but the way I look at it from my perspective after being in a relationship for four years now and now for forever as well, I'm, I'm confident. No pressure. Julius, no pressure. This, this is being quite, no, I think I had some problems with being able to commit. Mm. You know, we sometimes escape the idea by saying, oh, I need my freedom and stuff, because we don't wanna lose our identity. But reality is that when you have the right person next to you, the freedom is not something that you need to even mention or fight for because your relationship is so natural that the partner knows exactly where, what is your space and what is their space in the relationship. Actually, that's true. Like, I know from the outside it looks like we, we spend all the time together and we, we are in each other's space in the sense that we live together in the same house, but we don't actually spend all the time together. No. Like we work in separate rooms. We like make appointments to spend quality time together. If not, I know he's just doing his thing and I need to do my own thing too. So sharing space doesn't necessarily mean spending quality time together. And yeah, I, I, I don't really need the, all the time. The quality time is a tough one. Yeah. Yeah. I think for people I, I've, I've known this from a lot of friends and people like us who work quite a lot. Mm-hmm. Quality time is probably the hardest love language to fulfill. Mm-hmm. Like if you have a partner who's not like super driven, they want understand why are we so focused on like building business or chasing our dreams and, and really following this instinct that's innate to our ability to make an impact. Yeah. Like, they want to understand it because they don't have it within them. Yeah. And that's why I always believe that the best relationships are the ones who are on the same page when it comes to that because it's Yeah. Compatibility. Yeah. I would feel weird if I have this, this type of dynamic where let's say Sonya, in some alternative universe, you are like the, the type of a partner who just waits for me at home, you know, and it's like that pressure that I like all her world is around me. Yeah. Which. You know, is acceptable and normal. Huge number of women. Yeah. That's what they want. They wanna just have a boyfriend and just spend a lot of time with their boyfriend and just live a very traditional life. But as you say, said, compatibility, everything changes when you fall in love. Right. Right. Now I'm very rational and like I want this, I want that. I want that I, and that, but love is blind. I had all my rules. It changed like everything she trampled. Yeah, exactly. All the rules I, and I remember and the last time I was in love, love is blind. You just, everything is just like, whoa. You just get hit with this. Like it's an avatar, you know? And the tails connect. Yeah. It's just gotta make sure that connection is right or that that's what it gets toxic. Yeah. How do you tell the difference between love and infatuation? Well, I've only ever been in love once. Okay. And it lasted a very long time. It was, lasted a couple of years. And what made, you know it was love? What was the texture of it? Um, just. Deep obsession with that girl in like a way where I just really cared beyond like, Hey, how are you? Just like a, kind of like a hot, like you're feeling the heart. Mm. You know, it's like your mom or your dad. You just, that's beautiful. You just know you love your parents or your brothers and sisters. You just know you are like there for them. Mm. In a different way to like checking in on your mates, which you still care about your mates, but it's just, there's a death. It's a feeling. It's a, it's deeper. Yeah. How do you know, how do you know you're in love with, with agon? How do you know you're not just rock? You know, I think it's just so different from anything I've ever, ever. Gone through, I didn't date that much. Mm-hmm. But I have like dated and I've had three long relationships before Agon, and at no point did I just like, no, this is it. I just never had that confidence and Sure. Like, you know, some of them were just bad relationships. It's obvious, but like my first relationship was with a great person. Mm-hmm. And I still didn't like fully know. Yeah. And with him, it's just like an inner knowing. And don't get me wrong, we, we fight, we have our shit and we really do. Yeah. But it's just an inner knowing that you can get through all of that because this is the person you're with. Yeah. Like there's this like, there's this merge. Yeah. Yeah. You just feel like a partnership. Yeah. You feel in innately that you are commitment, like Yeah. Another level of connection. Without a doubt. Yeah. I think love can be so different to. So many people and can be seen by different rules. One of the goals we have for this podcast is to make sure that we don't create an environment for people to think that you find a partner and it's a perfect relationship far from it. Because I think one of the problems we face as today's society is that people give up very easily in relationships. Mm-hmm. Because there has never been in the history of humanity and ability to end a relationship and already chat to 50 other people dating ups. Yeah. Right. Which is how we met, which is how we met, which we, we can dive later in, but I think what's important and what's the, the part of the message here on, on our podcast is that every couple goes through some problems. And we can describe the love and how it's like, I feel it and it's romantic and it's deep and it's beautiful and, and I'm obsessed and all these things, but at the same time, these are the moments of being up. And I think where love is truly tested is when we meet in the moments when all these positive things go away, because there's a solid issue that you face as a relationship. That's why I don't want to ever propagate the idea that there's like you, you can find your one and only and it's gonna be perfect. Mm-hmm. You can find a one and only, but you truly will be tested in the moments when you face a difficulty. And that is where love exists for me, because in the moments of difficulty with Sonya, I have answered to myself how much I love her because I could push through something really difficult. That I would never do for anyone else. Mm. Like I could look within and be like, yo, I have a problem with my ego as a man. You have hair telling me that I have a problem with that. The initial response is like, no. Right. You push it away and then after a fight, you sit alone. And like, I love her enough and I respect her enough to listen to what she says and actually work on it. And there's been couple of moments in our relationship like that for both of us where the love was tested. And so I love, I love using the, the, uh, perspective of what love is in these moments of tests. Mm. You know, I think love is the most beautiful thing when you're flying on top of the world, but it truly is tested when you're at the very bottom. I hear you. Give it your best. Best. Beautiful. That's a beautiful, uh, Peter. Beautiful lion. I think I would wish for everyone in this world to find a partner that they can go in the mud with and get dirty. It's not that dirty. Our relationship distance to clarify. Yeah. That was a metaphor. That was a metaphor. But yes. Would you say you gave it your best in your past relationship? Did I give it my best? I mean, no. Okay. Is the answer. Mm-hmm. I mean, I had one relationship before that and this long term as well. Yeah. It was, first one was a year, and then my second one was like, it was kinda like on and off, like through three years. Okay. As it was like the first serious, serious relationship. You learn a lot. Mm. Um, yeah. And what does it mean to, to give it your best? I think to give it your best is the assumption that like it depends on how you are looking at things for sure. Right. So like as it was my first serious relationship I was going through, I wasn't thinking like I'm settling. Yes, I'm getting married, I'm having, you know, I'm, this is the woman I'm gonna have kids with. So, because your perception, it's like short term, long term thinking, right? Yeah. Like when you're thinking, like, I'm sure you guys are thinking long term and you guys, I mean, as Agon said, this is my girl for life. Mm-hmm. I think when you're thinking, this is my girl for life, you think about things in a different way. So you didn't think that way in your last relationship? Um, I don't, I don't think I did. I think I was, I was in love and I felt so in love, but I also wanted to hold onto my freedom. Mm-hmm. And I also felt like this isn't the right dynamic, but I, but it's a classic, isn't it? Yeah. You, you see the classic man women that have fallen in love and it's just not, you know, it just isn't right For whatever reason. Just differences in love. Languages. Differences. Differences in, in kind of wants and needs. Yeah. But it just goes on and on, on on. So I actually. Mentally, you know, after some time was like, actually I don't think this is what I want in my life long term. Mm-hmm. Not just'cause of her, but also'cause of me. Yeah. You know, I have a lot of external and internal exploring to do. Yeah. Um, you know, I travel the world. I meet a lot of people. Um, I'm going through my own spiritual journey journey, so yeah. So I, I didn't give it my best, but I also didn't have, you know, the kind of the finite, uh, final intentions as, as to kind of like, this is my trajectory in life. If that makes sense. It makes total sense. Yeah. Do you think that, you know, you've, is it fair to say that you started to become successful while you were in a relationship or before you got in a relationship? No, I was successful before the relationship. Okay, perfect. And I was successful during the relationship as well. Yeah. So I was curious to know if that, if you've seen a difference in your dating life before. And after being successful and famous, like how has fame affected your love? You know, let's go, this is a good question. Um, look, I don't think I was, I was hyperfocus, I'll be honest with you. Yeah. Right. When I fell in love. Right. As I say, like, I think it, like my, every, all my perceptions shifted. Mm-hmm. Right? And before I was in a relationship, I was hyper. And I think this comes down to compatibility. Mm. Because I feel like you guys are, you guys empower each other and build each other up. Right. And I've seen you guys grow, you know, as you've gone into, as you've kind of deepened your relationship. Like a, you're going to be more successful. Everything's making more money than ever. You know, you guys, you, you know, you have the charity and you guys are working amazing together as a team. Mm-hmm. So I see that you guys, you know, are, are extremely compatible, obviously based on the fact you've been together for four years. Um, with me. Um, I was successful, I think, for a different reason, and that is because I, right. It was a bit of a right place, right time. Um, I was very successful before the relationship because I was fully focusing on myself and content and traveling and business. And there was, there was no, um, there was no hurdle. I couldn't jump over in my mind. You know? It was like, it was like, it's me, myself, and I, yeah. I bring all my friends together. I'm the leader of the pack. The wolf. Yeah. I'm the, I'm the, I'm the, I'm the leader. I'm the leader of the pack. Yeah. Look a bit like a wolf. Yeah. Shake it up. Can't see it. I look at the camera here. This is a wolf come. Yeah. Yeah. But after I got into a relationship Mm. I started being pulled a different direction. Yeah. Right. It's like, Julius, let's spend time together. Let's do dinners together. Let's go on vacations together. And these are things that I wanted to do, but when I didn't wanna do them, then it impacted on my freedom. But we did land on something during the pandemic that you know about that. Was a very successful business. Yeah. I will ask about it. Yeah. I have a question in my book of desires. Yeah. I have an A data and an info that no one knows. Yeah. It's very unique. Yeah. But before I go there, I want you to, by the way, I don't answer. Yeah. What is the difference in dating for you? You know, like, are you using your fame to establish power dynamic in relationships? And on the flip side also, how are people, are people using treating you different? Yeah, yeah. Right. That too. Fame, money position, being recognizable. Yeah. Hanging out with messy Drake or whatever. Yeah. This means a lot to a lot of people. Yeah. So do you feel like this is an empowering aspect of your life and it makes things easier, or does it make things harder? Yeah, look, it's the animal kingdom. Right? When Sonia, when you were swiping on Tinder. Right. Did Sonya show her least attractive qualities and characters, actually? Or did she show her looking really pretty and fun? Very pretty and fun. Oh, really? Interesting. Okay. So I happen to be famous. I happen to be a magician that has a lot of social credibility. Mm. Would you suggest that me trying to kind of in the animal kingdom of everyone showing their best traits, everyone is trying to show their best characteristics. Um, I, for the good and for the bad, do not hide away from that. Mm-hmm. So, yes. And does it establish, because I wonder from, from that perspective, like I've gone through some elements of that myself. Yeah. On a much smaller level because I dated very little before Sonya. Yeah. But I would go on a date and either the girl would know who I am Yeah. Or the girl would not know, but someone would ask me for a picture. Yeah. And I instantly in front of me would feel that there's a very. A noticeable shift in how I'm seen. Yeah. Do you like feeling that power dynamic or whatever it is or not so much? Yeah, look, I'll be honest with you, I do like it. Okay. However, I don't think it's healthy. Why? I don't think it's healthy because it creates a, a power dynamic. Mm-hmm. A shift shift in a power dynamic. Unless you find a match. Unless you find a match. That's true. However, I mean, it's like any guy who's like, you know, looks nice, smells nice, feels he's got a six back. It's like, Hey, I feel good. I'm like, I'm really cool. Yeah. Obviously it's nice to be at dinner with, especially women are intimidating, right. If you are on a date with a beautiful, smart, intelligent, uh, beautiful, smart girl right? And you know she's judging you and you've gotta like play your cards and then someone that comes over and takes a vote, you're like, woo-hoo. Yeah. God, I wish I didn't have, I wish that didn't happen to me. God. Yeah. They didn't. Yeah. We should definitely not have sat right at the front of the restaurant so everyone can see me every few as they walk in. We should have sat the back as I blend. Excuse me, man. Can we just get a private, private booth getting, uh, harassed by the general public? Oh yeah. Look, it's unhealthy. Um, I do enjoy it. I'm not gonna lie. I think that most people who are on first dates most men, right? If they're on a first date. Mm-hmm. It's nice to kind of feel a sense of power. Is it healthy? That's the question. Probably not. No. Depends on the agenda. Yeah. Short term, long term. Right. I'm trying to have, if I'm trying to have like a one night stand, have like a fucking, you can see sex. I see. I'm trying to have sex with a girl. Yeah. I can say that right Then. It's probably gonna make me much more attractive in the short run if I'm, if I, someone takes a photo of me.'cause it, because in the animal kingdom, men and women want to be with the best per person they can. Yeah. Right. Okay. It's as simple as that. Right. I get that. That's it. I get that right. However, in the long run, if I'm trying to establish a deep relationship with a girl, um, it's probably not the best dynamic. Not a good start to start on. I don't think so. But at the same time, compatibility. So it's who you are as well. It's, yeah. It's who I am. And quite frankly, if the girl, you know, is smart and she can see beyond a photo, she thinks, okay, it depends how you perceive it, right? Mm-hmm. How intelligent the girl is, the girl that I wanna be with long term needs to be very intelligent, right? Because I think that I am very intelligent and I wanna be with someone who's also very intelligent and the right type of girl. Right. We'll take that association and think differently than a basic bitch. A basic bitch might go, no, honestly, a basic bitch might be like, oh, he's famous. There seems to be resentment, there's some experience. No, honestly, listen, unless I'm Okay, let's, let's, let's uncover What is a basic bitch? A basic bitch is just someone that's not thinking. She's just not really got her shit together. She's not thinking about me as like a, like a deep person. She's not thinking like, I'm like a depth of, of kind of things around her. She's just like, oh, famous. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I, I have, as opposed to like, I have to As opposed like, as opposed to like a girl. Listen. I've got friends who are girls talk about who could look at a guy, go, he's famous, and then think deeply about that. What does that mean? Oh, okay. That means he's hardworking. That means he's driven. Mm. Right. That means he puts time and diligence into the things he's done. Yeah. Where did that photo come from? Is it just like, oh, he's famous. That's basic. You agree? Yes. Right. And that's true, but the depth is to associate that with a whole range of, um, characteristics and in some ways that shows intelligence. And if I can attract an intelligent girl from being famous, then great. True. I do agree with a lot. You're saying when you put yourself out there as famous, don't you think you attract the kind of people that might use you for, for your fame, your, your success? Like doesn't, is there no fear of someone exploiting you Potentially? Is there no fear? How exploits me? How, I don't know. Like maybe making you fall in love with her while. While her only motive is really to be provided for financially. And I never ever thought this was a possibility. Yeah. Because I think it's my own like lens that I'm looking at. But you shared with me for context that someone has just wanted to go on a trip with you on the first date. Yeah, exactly. I, I told you that. Yeah. She wants to go on a trip with me. Yeah. Do you know why? I knew that. Why? Because I trust my intuition. Oh, and she didn't say that to you? She did say that to me. Right. But like, again, an intelligent person can see beyond. Okay. She doesn't want, so you just, you So it's like she wants to go on a trip with me. Why?'cause she wants to be provided for Exactly. Yeah. Right. And that's on the first date. Yeah. Right. And I've been on dates where I'm feeling that early on. Mm-hmm. Right. Listen, I'm a magician. Right. It's a, it's a, you're not worried. Okay. I'm a master of body language. Okay. Yeah. And misdirection. Yeah. Right. My whole mental, my whole career Fair enough. Is built, you know, with all types of people from a homeless guy in the streets to that literally. The, the, the, the, you know, the biggest, the biggest steps in the world who were also very sharp. Yeah. It's about putting something in front of them and they miss out steps. Yeah. Right.'cause I'm seeing something that they don't see. Mm-hmm. I need to like, forecast what they're going to be seeing be one step ahead. I need to be five steps ahead. Okay. I need five steps ahead. That is quite cool. Right. And with women, I like to think five steps ahead. And if I'm not five steps ahead, then fuck it. Then, you know, then honestly, credit to that, then I'll take them on a trip. Whoa. You know, ask, because that, because obviously they deserve it, because they're smart. Right. And honestly, I need to learn from this girl. But does that make, does that make sense? I, I see where you're coming from. Sense. I, I would be, you know, it's a bit, don't want to, I don't wanna put all women in one bracket that you might be five steps ahead off. I am pretty sure that's not true. Yeah. I, I don't think I'm, but I do think that, that, that it is possible. And I also, you know, think that Yeah, but listen, but, but listen, I wanna say something right. You can tell a lot Yeah. From the small things, right. Which are, well, there's a, tell me a small thing. There's a, there's a classic saying. It's not how you treat the girl you take out to dinner, it's about how you treat the waiter. Right. There is, there's small things, right? It's just small perception of how they interact in situations. Yeah. Right. If I'm out for dinner with a girl, she says, oh, let's split the bill. I say, no, no, I've got it. And then, you know, we go to buy a bottle of water in the supermarket and then she expects me to pay for the bottle of water. Right. So what does that say about that girl? It just says that she wants to be provided for indefinitely. Is that okay with you? Is that okay with me? No, it's not okay with me. I don't want, I'm not a unrequited provider. Right. If I have more money in the relationship, I'm very happy to take on that role of, of being a provider. But you know, I want her to be a good person. That truly that I don't wanna be in a super traditional relationship where I'm just providing. When we first met with Sonya, that was. When it comes to that, it was such a unique experience because she was the absolute opposite and that's great. She, but we would have fights about it. That's great. Absolutely. She would say it was on the other extreme, gonna pay for me no matter what. Listen, I think that's so good. The first few months and it was a, it was a difficult time for that because I was in a position where I was, my career took off in the time when I met her. Yeah. This was the first time I was getting good money. First time in my life. Yeah. And you wanna feel like a man? I want to feel like, oh God, this one, it's not really feel like a man, but feel like a person who can finally afford whatever I want. Right. On like a level, go to a fancy restaurant and stuff. Right, right. My ego. An ego play. Yeah. Or a stroke. Own ego. I'm a successful guy. Yeah. I'm a successful person. Yeah. Yeah, it was an ego play, but she would stand her ground and would snack. No.'cause I'm a successful person too, so, and honestly I think that's awesome. I think so too. Yeah. That's awesome. Honestly, I think that's genuinely an awesome way to live life. And, you know, I, I just don't like it when I feel like,'cause you, because in the short run, if you go out for dinner and you pay and I'm, listen, I always pay on the first date. Honestly, I always pay most of the time for all my friends. Mm-hmm. Right. But that's just because I have more money than most of them. But I try to not differentiate between guys and girls. I'm just usually the guy that pays.'cause some of my mates are on like, you know, 30 KA year, 40 KA year, or my, you know, and I just happen to be, it just makes sense. Yeah. I just have more money than them, so I'm like, it's no stress, et cetera, et cetera. But when a girl is just like, you know, when she, in the, especially in the first few weeks I'm paying, I feel like I'm paying for everything. I find myself very unattracted to that girl. What if she thanks you? Yeah. Um, what if she,'cause there are situations, you know what, thank you for providing. If she's truly grateful Yeah. And she doesn't have money. Yeah. Then it's different. Okay. Right. But if she's, if I know that girl's got a good job mm-hmm. Yeah. And I'm always paying for her. Yeah. Yeah. Then what does that say about this? Like, what does that say about the trajectory of our, of our dynamic? It says that this girl is just someone that wants to be provided for and that doesn't necessarily want to show app. Yeah. I mean, what about providing, being so more, much more nuanced than financial? Yeah. So for example, she wants to be provided for financially, but she can provide so many more things. Well, like emotional support or, um, advice, or she really wants to have a family and look after the family, the mother quality, and she's got the nurturing element to her. But like, how about that?'cause that's important. That is absolutely important. Would you take everything? And then also the expectation to be provided for, but also with gratitude. Uh, I would have to weigh it up in the moment. I, I don't think there's like a this or that. Mm-hmm. I, I would say like my last. Relationship was felt very much like that. Where she would be like an amazing mother. She'd be like, she, she gave like an immense amount of like, um, you know, like, like feminine energy. Yeah. Um, but you know, she was, she wouldn't be the one that would like foot the bill. So it's very, very common. I just think I've come from a background where my mom was a traveler and it's just, it was kind of like a kind of, it wasn't this whole like, a woman should do this and a man should do this. Yeah. But I'm open, I'm pretty open. It's not as You need it red flag. Yeah. As long as Exactly. As long as I'm feeling supported. Yeah. And'cause I want to give because, and it's like the wolf pack, right? Like, I need my people to feel, I need to feel like they're there for me and I'm there for them. They don't necessarily need to like, if I, you know, get, go 50 50 on the bill, but they just need to feel like a, a fair reciprocation.'cause that's what partnership ship is and it needs to be authentic and feel like it's coming from the heart. Yeah. You know, I don't want this, I don't want to feel like a negotiation. Yeah. Transaction. I'm going, I'm going to sit with you and talk with you for half an hour. Yeah. Yeah. I don't want it to feel like it's being held on me or vice versa just to, that's to flow. I think that comes down to compatibility. I love that we discuss these things because sometimes, sometimes we fear to say the truth about something that might, like generalize or anything like that. But I do believe discussing balance in relationships and in in, in just compatibility, which is the important word, is so important. And I think that's important to mention for everyone watching and listening. A lot of our episodes and a lot of moments that we sit down with guests or it's just the two of us, every single person is different. Yeah. And it's like some person's trash is another person's treasure, right? Mm-hmm. And it truly, truly applies to relationships. Like you literally can freak out about a quality of a partner while someone else is gonna find it the most attractive about them. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So I, I also want to definitely encourage people listening and, and watching whether you're single or you're in a relationship. The word being to be compatible is like everything. Today we have a mostly male perspective, uh, on the podcast. And so I feel like it gives quite a lot of, uh, information for women listening. Yeah. What someone like you would find attractive. Mm. It's a cool thing. I think some women, and maybe you can verify that or not, I feel like some women do even feel that there's a requirement for them to be that dependent, supportive role. Yeah. And so they would think that this is what a man would require naturally, but it's not the case quite, quite often, I would say. And it's quite a bit of a stereotype. I think it's more nuanced than that, and everybody's a bit different. But I do think that the expectation of either being fully provided for or being fully nurtured without any form of like. Balance. Yeah. Balance. Is not gonna work. That's my personal opinion. But I think that providing can look different for different people. So it could be monetary for someone and it could be support for another person. And then it's like, it's not talked about. It's not like, oh, I'm gonna pay for you, and so you look after the kids and that's our transaction. It, it's, it's, it's felt deeper than that. We're talking about masculine feminine energies as well, and there's like, there's so many layers to this that in the past. I really used to get offended and that was my own, um, coming from a place of trauma, I thought it was equality, like, why are you insisting on paying for me? I can pay for myself. Thank you very much. Mm-hmm. That's how I felt. And I would Interesting, I would, I would bracket that and say that this is because I can pay my own apartment. I'm successful as well, and I don't want you to think I owe you, but what's underneath that? Underneath that is control. Underneath that is fear. That if you provide for me, I might be dependent on you, and I fear that because I haven't had a man step up and provide for me without. Keeping tabs or wanting something in return and, or, or, or, you know, it goes back to childhood as well with my father being an absolute asshole. So all of those things put together, you come up with an extreme, why are you trying to pay, don't pay even a single cent, which was me. I think both are not healthy because then people can't step in and balance the, the situation. Yeah. Totally. At least that's how I've, I've learned. Okay. I think, I think, yeah. I like that. I think we can, I, I think it's a good moment now to switch topic. Okay. I said to you that I have the book. Yeah. He's very, I have, I have an information that I don't think it's very unique because I don't think anyone, I think it's very unlikely that anyone in the history has ever done what you did. Yes. I don't think anyone has ever done it, and I also don't think people know it. Mm-hmm. So I want to ask you, we have been very fortunate in our life. Mm-hmm. And we managed to reach billions. Of views. Yeah. On social media. And it comes with many benefits, with a lot of accomplishment with money and fulfillment, but also with some downsides. Yeah. But not very often do you sit across someone who deleted 50 billion views from the internet. Mm-hmm. You must be. Literally one of the only people in the history of social media who pressed, it's pretty insane, who highlighted all these videos. They didn't want to represent you. That's true and deleted. 50 billion, five zero. That's pretty fucking nuts, isn't it? It's insane. That's, that's like more than, that's very inspiring. That's more than Mr. Beast, Logan Paul first, all their views put together. I would say it's more intense. It's billion. It's insane. It's more intense. Insane. To delete it than achieve it. I'm joking. Was I thinking, oh my God, I deleted 50 billion views. The content dear YouTube, but that's why I'm someone hacked my account and deleted these videos. Can you please reinstall the account? That is why I'm asking from one year ago. That is why I'm asking. Oh. Because I think, I think there's, you know, our podcast is desirable and we talk about relationships and love. Yeah. But what we also talk about is. What it means to be a desirable business. Right. A desirable individual for like relationship or relationship of a, like business partner, whatever it is. Right. So I wanna ask you, in my opinion, deleting 50 billion views is more of a crazy deal than achieving it. Mm-hmm. Right? Yes. Why, why did you do it? Questionable, but okay, I'll take it. I mean, I, I know how tempting it is to keep it out there. It would still be, look, I'm, I'm, I'm making you hard. Makes money still. I could see it in your eyes making a lot of money right now. But you have deleted all these videos. Why did you do it and how do you feel that decision that's so significant affected you afterwards? Yeah. Why did I do it? I did it because it didn't align with my identity anymore. And it's very hard to live a life where I know who I am. I'm Juda Dean and. There are just hundreds of millions of billions of videos just on my, on my social media, even though they're making a lot of money. Uh, it's just a, it's an identity thing. Mm. Like I cannot live my truth and be my truth if every day there's stuff on the internet that people are seeing, that's not actually me. Mm-hmm. Because I don't know what people, like, I wanna be authentic to myself and I wanna put out like my true absolute truth of who I who and how I am, whoever Judas Dean may be. I just wanna be live, you know, connect, connected to my, to me and if the, yeah. If there are videos that are just on social media that aren't, I'm not vibing with, aren't a reflection on me, I just, I felt like if I were to progress in my social media trajectory, in my personal trajectory, I need to just be in control of, you know, the quality it needs to be aligned. How was it not aligned? How was it portraying you? Well, for one, I wasn't in a lot of the videos. So that's, you weren't, I wasn't in a lot of videos. No. So, so just for the context of the viewers. Yeah. I landed on this social media wave, these Facebook videos, they're amazing. You were the biggest patron in the world. Biggest patron in the world. A few months in a row. Yeah. Doing a hundred million views a day. Insane on Facebook, making, you know, millions of dollars a month. Mm-hmm. You know, we'd post'em on Facebook, they'd go viral, get a 500 million views, you know, make, and we would complain about them. You complain about them. It was a, an amazing business. I captured the attention of the entire world, very proud of the journey. It was me. And then scaled to a team of 35 people. Yeah. Very proud of that, of that journey in some respects. But at the end of it, all right, I'm not doing this for money. And you know, there comes a point where you're just like, right, well, why, why am I doing this? Mm-hmm. Um, and you know, you've gotta juggle, as I'm sure you guys do as well, the commercial aspects of your business versus the authentic aspects of, of your business and the community that you want. And for me. You know, I had, this community was not making a lot of money, and then it went, whoop, I started making a lot of money, but the impact my community. Mm-hmm. And then I was like, right, actually, like, this is not making me happy. So I went whoop and kind of just like balanced it out a bit more again. Hmm, that makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense. So the community is more important to you than money? Um, yeah, I'd say, I'd say, I'd say essentially that's what your choice saying. Yeah. In order to build a community, an authentic community. Yeah. You have to be authentic to your community. Yeah. Which, which you were for a very long time, right? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And, and so, but you know, you have to, you can't juggle both at the same time. Um, not in the, not in the game of not with the out, not with the complexity of the algorithms algorithm. Yeah. But I feel you do have to try it and then realize it's not for you. Do you regret going down that path at all? Um, I think I would've done things in a very different way. Mm. How so? Um, I would've built sub-brands. Okay, I'm gonna be straight here. I absolutely would've, I mean, this was a fucking sick business model. Yeah, right. Like, can you imagine I had the most viewed page in the entire world on Facebook. I did 50 billion views. That's more views than everyone. Like, I had the most viewed page in the world. Like there are companies with thousands of employees. But, you know, at the time it was, it just made sense to post it on my page.'cause I had, you know, 20 million followers, 25 million followers. Now I've got 40, but, um, 42, 40. You don't check 43, actually. You. Oh, 40 it, yeah. So as we speak, maybe it's 45 over. While it's happening again, it's happening. No, I said delete the video. It's not, reinstall the videos. We did it. I, I, I think, I think it speaks quite a lot of you. Absolutely. And I think, I do believe there's a voice coming from within you. Not only doing it for like personal brand, I think it goes a bit deeper. Yeah. I would think that an element of you feels like you are better mm-hmm. Than the content you are making at some point with some videos. Yeah. Not all of them, but listen, I listen, I, I, um, who I am Right where I came from Right. Was authentic to who I am. Right. Freedom. A novelty, as I said at the beginning of this podcast. That's true. Right? Where did the Julius Dean brand come from? Came from I would travel the world. Right. I would meet new people. Right. Freedom and travel. I would do magic. I'd post it was connecting with the people. Mm. So it was with the people. For the people. Right. And I was part of that journey. It was never, there was not much money in it. I mean, I was making money, but I wasn't making crazy money. But it was really great fun. Kind of what I said, freedom, novelty fun. You, you know the story. Okay. So I, I have question. Give us. Give us one, one concept that you think was the most ridiculous concept for a video we have ever directed. Oh my God. I can tell. Well, give us one. I've seen, I can immediately, I seen some crazy videos. I can, I've seen women strapped up to do on like a swing. I watched. Listen, listen. Lemme tell about away men deliver. Listen, lemme take the jet ski one. Right. Jet ski. Okay. There was a video called the jet ski, uh, the jet ski wax prank. Right. And we just basically, I mean the aim of the game with these videos is just to make people watch till the end. And then the algorithm retention, the algorithm pushes out, goes viral, gets whatever. It's, but we were so good at it that this video got 900 million views, 900 million views on a, on one four minute video. Yeah. Right. What's the concept? Give us a premise. The concept is, is, and then we swap back to spicy. It's Eugene Spicy love question my mate. Eugene's lying on the, some beach, right? I'm filming it right. Jet Ski pulls up. Right from, it's my two mates. We, we are following this formula of like, yeah, I know. Jump off the jet ski, run up and essentially just take a wax strip, slap it on his chest while he's sleeping and they run back and it's, sorry, the jet, the wax strip is connected to a rope, connected to a jet ski. Alright. So, so it's like, when is the jet ski gonna pull away? Right? And, and oh my God, all for this God. Anyway, so this, this is actually great. Like how creative, listen, it's, we were creative. It's right worth it, man. Creative. It's like, honestly it's like silly as hell, but creative. Seriously. Yes. Seriously. There's a reason, right? If you look at all the biggest creators at the time on Facebook who were doing these types of videos and fucking killing it, making you know, in, you know, the type of money that was being made on Facebook at the time. Do you notice one thing, because, I dunno if you notice this. They're all magicians. Yeah, I know Rick La Rey, Paul v Julius, Dean, Justin Flom. Right. All of these guys that made life changing money from these videos, they're all magicians. Mm-hmm. Do you know why? Because these videos are like a magic trick. Right? What did you do at Magic Trick? You set it up, you hook them in, right? And you make them get to the end. Right? Or you, you, you misdirect them to get to the end. Right? I'm seeing something different to you. Yeah. So that's why when I'm on a date with a girl, right? And oh, does she have bad intentions? I'm seeing something different to, why? Did you say it in her voice? No. No, because like No, no. Because she have bad No, no, because she, she might, she might be trying to exploit me. Yeah. But you're hip basically. Might, she might think, this guy's rich, this guy's famous. This guy's gonna look after me. Yeah. But I'm seeing something different to her. Mm. Because I feel like I'm ahead of the game. And you know what? In some ways we trick to the entire world, right? 45 billion views, right? Number one in the world on Facebook through these wacky dump. You call them dumb. What did you say? You said they were dumb. I said silly said, didn't said silly. And you said, but it's kind of, I said it's kind of genius, but it's kind of awesome. Like whatever it is. Right? Like it's really creative. It's really creative. Right. And that's what we had to do every single day. We're in a content house. First it was just me and me and my girlfriend. It was four people. Next thing you knew, we 35 people just coming up with different creative ways of misdirecting the audience, you know, to go viral on the algorithm with a paycheck at the end, whatever you put out. I mean, I'm sure you know, like you put out incredible educational, um, high quality content and you know the people that contact you and the people that you meet that vibe with you on that. Like, I'm sure it's really rewarding. Of course you meet someone who's like also a filmmaking such, we have many of these interactions where we just feel proud for what we are doing. Mm-hmm. You feel like you made somebody's day or a week because they saw you. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, I think, I think that's a beautiful thing to have in life where people can feel better. Whether for a small moment because they laugh at a video or they are educated about an important issue that they would never even think of. Mm-hmm. I think it's a beautiful thing that social media has given us. Mm-hmm. I think there's a lot of negatives that come with social media, a lot of things that, that don't really make the world better and the addiction and how the new generation of, of people nowadays, the gen, gen Z and generation alpha, it's the most depressed generation that ever existed, I think. Yeah. It's not, it's so popular to use the word, I mean, depressed and stuff, and I think you can assign it to social media, but at the same time, social media has given a lot of people, made their dreams come true. Yeah. That's such a cool thing. You don't need to be in contact with a person one-on-one to impact them to change something. Yeah, I think that's beautiful. Okay. I think we are, we are reaching more or less, probably two thirds, almost all like end of the podcast. So I want to ask something. Do you think there's a difference with men who sleep with a lot of women versus women who sleep with a lot of men? Oh. Do you think there's a difference? Do you look at this equally or do you think there are some differences? Listen, if, if a woman wants to sleep with lots of men, right? Ethically, I have no issue with that. Right? It does not bother. I literally don't care. I have friends, very good friends, girlfriends who do it. They go out every week. Saturday night, they go sit with a different guy, right? However, for me, on a kind of attraction level, I do not want to, I would find a girl less attractive if she was having sex with a different guy every week. Hmm. For me. But Prince, but ethically, no. I mean, I've got family members, like within my, within my, within my wider family. I've got, listen, I've got bad members. Let's not throw the family under the bus. Listen, listen, listen. I've got a big family I got for 50, you know, 50, 60 people talk about you. Listen, listen, listen. We're in London. Listen, I'm from London. Yeah, right. You know, feminism's a serious thing. Right. You know, more and more women, like, you know, there, there is like a, you know, men and women inequality is like a, it's like a big thing, right? We're not living in like 1930s, like men and women could do whatever the fuck they want. Yeah. Right? And like, go for it. So yeah, I don't have an issue with that. It's just for me personally, I find that less attractive. Mm-hmm. Why? That's a great question. Um, maybe it's a, a scarcity thing, right? Like, why is something scarce? Right. Like what makes something, sorry, why something valuable? Why think valuable? Mm-hmm. Right. Because it's scarce like gold. Gold is valuable because it's scarce. There was unlimited amounts of gold. It's not valuable. Yeah. So with the women that I would choose to be with, right? I wanna feel like there's a level of scarcity. And that might be the same with, with, you know, with, with men as well to for certain women. So, yeah. See, that's why I'd say it. But So when you date, is that something you already consider or you can date? Yeah, I would consider it. How do you know that? Do you ask? Yeah. What's your body count? It just comes up in conversation. Really? Wow. I mean, you get a vibe and do you know, bro, you get a vibe a, a vibe like, bro, if that goes out every week, she'll party partying. Like, you know, you figure it out, right? But same with guys. I think you get a, you get a vibe for guys doing the same thing. Smile. Okay, good now. Okay. Yeah, so that's my, that's my thoughts on it. And what do you think from a female perspective? Ooh, like I think this is a conversation, like an episode on its own. Like when you, okay. Cut the cameras and we start a new episode. Welcome back. I really think so. I think that I agree with you ethically. Ethically, it's the same thing. You know, but I think energetically women are biologically wired differently. Yeah, absolutely. Than men are. Totally. And I, I have been learning recently that as much as a woman says, I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule, but there are a lot of women who say, you know, I'm having sex and it empowers me. But a lot of the time there is some fear underneath that. There is some unhealthy mechanism underneath that. And I didn't use to see it that way. But when you start to understand, again, masculine, feminine. Energies, how our biology works. How a woman, like literally when she's penetrated, she takes in the energy and it takes some time before like she latches on energetically to a man. Yeah. Even though she thinks that, okay, I'm just having sex with you and now I'm gonna have sex with the next person. She's got to be really tapped in and have massive boundaries to be like, this is really me doing it purely for exploration or whatever it may be. A lot of women who do this might not possibly have that intentionality and like proper boundaries and like aftercare and everything for themselves where they need to hold themselves because energetically completely agree. You cling on. Mm-hmm. You clinging onto a man that you've had sex with. Whether you realize it or not, it's your biology. Yeah. It's a, whereas for men it is a little bit different, so it's not to promote at all, like trust me, I'm personally into monogamy and it's not to promote that men should go around having sex all the time, but it's just to say the fact of the matter is we are biologically different. Yeah. Completely, completely agree. Yeah. Hmm. You, you mentioned, you mentioned the word feminism. Yeah. And I, I do believe there has been so many good things happening Yeah. In the past few years. Yeah. That I do believe there's been just more, more pressure on men to make sure that the world is more equal and same on women as well, to truly embrace that femin aspect. Yeah. Yeah. At the same time though, I think there are elements to misinterpreting what feminism means 100%. And so some women feel that they are empowered because they do what men do. Yeah. And there will be some people who can navigate such lifestyle. Yeah. But from my observation, I do think it's a slow burner, meaning that in the moment you feel like this is empowering and, and it, I believe it works for men as well. Not just women by the way. I think in, in the moment it feels like, oh, I'm being whatever, doing whatever. And I love it. But then in perspective, I think it creeps in into your future relationship, into the way you see things, the way you see a partner, a woman, or a man. It's, it's the same problem that people may face after having a porn addiction. Like desensitizing, for many years, porn was just like a, even, like, you would make fun about it and it's like, was even encouraged for boys to, like, it's a healthy thing to do. But then as the studies came out, you started realizing that like law yo, like it actually drills a hole in your brain in a specific way. Yeah. And you have to really heal for a long time. In order to see things in real life as they are. It's kind of like Apple vision prone nowadays. Soon it's gonna be like the world in the virtual reality will be the one that you define everything and not the real world. Yeah. Social media know. Yeah. I feel like this, this lifestyle of being all over the place and porn and all these things, it's kind of like being in that virtual reality and when it overpowers you, you lose a sense of identity. That is very hard to get back. Should we, before we finish, should we ask a question from our audience? Oh, right. We do. We do. We have. Thank you for reminding me. And we post it and ask the audience what they would love. A ask you lot of fans, by the way. And it was, I was very impressed because I know you on a personal level, I was surprised that someone would be so observant about your life that they would ask this specific question. So get ready. Wow.'cause it's not easy to answer, I think. Okay. Wow. But there were many and we chose this one. Okay. So Marian or Marian, thank you Marian for asking. Thank you so much for asking asks, how will you feel if your most recent ex, I'm adding the most recent part is it is in a new relationship. How would I feel? Yeah. Like today you found out, you saw on internet. We saw it. Thank you, Marion. Wow. That's a, that's a good question. I actually have thought about this quite a bit. Oh, you have? Yeah. Okay. I have, I have, um, you know. Thought about this in my mind, ruminated. Mm. In my mind, how would I feel? I think I would be happy. Really? Yeah. Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah. I think I'd be happy because I care for her and cared for her very deeply. Mm. And she is a very good person and she did, she did me no wrong or harm. Um, and I wish her the absolute best and I really hope she has, you know, everything that she wants and that she's looking for, that I wasn't able to provide, or that she wasn't able to get or that, you know, we didn't give each other for whatever reasons. I hope that she, as she searches, she finds and beautiful. Yeah. Her finding a new relationship is well on her way to finding what she's looking for. That is so we wish her that is so beautiful. All of that, that, that is the testimony to moving on. Mm-hmm. I think. Hmm. We do have difficulties sometimes and there's all these like stories of people like checking on their ex. I've heard of people who check on their exes 10 years after, right? Yeah. Yeah. 10 years ago they were together. Wow. Yeah. And still checking on the Facebook. What is he or she doing? Yeah. That was a he. And so I myself went through a seven year long relationship and it didn't work out. And it's amazing to hear what you say because I know how you feel when you say it.'cause I'm exactly the same. Yeah. Beautiful. Like. The idea of understanding that sometimes things don't work out because you just weren't meant to be. Mm-hmm. But at the same time, not seeing this as that person sucks that it's their fault it didn't work out. Yeah. There's often this like finger like point your finger and it's like, oh, she or he did this. And you have all these negative memories. And so when you have that lack of a type of forgiveness that things didn't work out. If you don't feel that you will every time these come into your life in the smallest way because you see a photo because the up your someone, you'll feel these negative emotions in you. Mm-hmm. But when you finish things right, and when you truly moved on, you just understand that it wasn't meant to be and you wish them the best. And that's so beautiful. I'm glad that you are on that. Thank you. Thank you. Part of of fulfillment. Thank you. And I think this podcast has shown. Actually, like I have seen you on some podcasts before. I obviously know you personally. Yeah. This is actually the first ever I love relationship I've ever, I love, I love, I love how we can see you. You know, we see you today. Oh, that's what you think. He's five steps ahead of you. Actually, we gonna come back. He's like, do you think, you think we're gonna come back in all these videos and all of the mics have been switched off. 1, 2, 3, 4 camera, one camera two, five steps ahead. This, this podcast never exists. Oh no, I know it. I know. And I've, I've always seen you as someone who's very deep and I think it does come with that magic aspect. You have always been a bit of a psychologist in some ways, right? You have to be that mentalist psychologist in your life. And so I just wanna say thank you. For showing yourself today. Yeah. Thank you for joining us. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you for allowing us to be a part of your life as well. Thank you guys. Not just on this podcast. It means a lot and I just like, yeah. I love how self-aware you are. Appreciate it. Thank you Sonia. Thank you Agar. And we wish you all the best to be on the podcast. Thank you. See you again there in the comments down below. You can apply to be, you know. Yeah. He's single, he's famous. He's rich partner. He's very deep. Good guy. He is a good guy. Guy. He wants to provide for you like wolf energy. Um, very attractive wears, yellow shirt, negatives, commitment issues, uh, and enjoys freedom and novelty. Yeah. Anyone who thinks you can fix him, do not apply. Yes. Do not be deluded into thinking you can fix me. I am. Do not, do I have long standing. Internal inherent trauma. I'm fucked up. Bye. Aren't we all? Okay. Thank you. Okay, bye. That was desirable. That was so funny. Oh my God.