We Got Our Brains Scanned To See If We're Compatible!

This week on The Desirable Podcast, Ramzi Shehadeh from MindTune Brain Spa reads Sonya and Agon Love’s brains and let’s just say… some things hit a little too close to home. From anxiety and overthinking to attachment styles, sleep, relationships, and the patterns running quietly in the background, this conversation felt equal parts exposing, validating, fascinating, and slightly humbling. Turns out getting brain naked is a lot more vulnerable than we expected.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:04

Ramsey, normally we get butt naked, but today we get brain naked. Please tell us. Tell us what you have found.

SPEAKER_01 0:13

We we we are very excited and a tiny bit stressed because you already cued us a bit by saying that there's some things that are quite sensitive. Sensitive. So we want to be naked. Let's do it.

SPEAKER_00 0:27

Well, there's a lot to expose. A lot to expose. Tell us about our brain. Nothing sexual.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

That's a shame. But what goes behind nothing sexual in our brains.

SPEAKER_02 0:39

That was why we did this.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Behind the scenes, there's a lot of things that make you guys very sexual. So maybe I'll reveal, maybe I'm more.

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Let's leave it for the bonus content.

SPEAKER_00 0:53

All right.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

Link to our OnlyFans is in the bio.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

No, it's OnlyBrains.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

Only you know, believe it or not, so many people ask, can you see what we're thinking? Or if I am like um fantasizing about something, are you able to see it? People are worried about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Of course, because our brains are comparable.

SPEAKER_04 1:16

It's like literally the only alone place you have in the whole world. It's only your brain. Your own mind. No one else shares this with you. So it is quite literally, it's it's more it's more vulnerable than being like physically naked, at least for me.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

And the only person who could check that is just you and yourself. Yeah. Right? Yeah. And now you.

SPEAKER_02 1:36

And now us. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:37

And most people don't go check their brain waves, or they don't understand their patterns, or they don't know what's really going on behind the scenes that are making them do what they do.

SPEAKER_05 1:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:46

Or react the way they react. It's usually like just a surprise to their partner before it's a surprise to them.

SPEAKER_01 1:53

Tell us about our surprises. What have you found?

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Lots of good stuff, honestly. Yes. I bless this example. You guys are awesome, honestly. Yeah, you guys are amazing. And there's a lot of similarities, which usually we see in couples, but um you guys are also different. Obviously, opposite attracts, right? So we'll talk a little bit about that. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 2:13

Um for clarity, you don't need to only give the good stuff. You can also tell us how free we are. We really want to be honest with the people watching this to really like this is not stage or anything. We are finding out with you about our own brains. We have not any of this yet.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

And that's very brave of you guys. Most people don't want either to see themselves, so we get some clients sometimes, they'll come in and do the brain map, and then they don't want to see their own results.

SPEAKER_04 2:42

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 2:43

Yeah, so that says a lot.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

And he doesn't watch his own movies.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

Yeah, they just don't want to know. And that's okay because that they're just not ready, right? Yeah. Um, we are ready. Unfortunately, people kind of step up when there's a pain point or they're just kind of curious. And I think today everybody wants to know, everybody wants to check that engine and what's really going on. So you guys are really brave to be honest with you, that you're doing this on live TV.

SPEAKER_05 3:05

Yay! Please do this.

SPEAKER_00 3:07

We've never done this on live TV. We usually try to be very like this.

SPEAKER_01 3:11

Has never been done before.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Usually everyone's like signing like NDAs with you, and we're like, please reveal.

SPEAKER_00 3:18

And we ask permission between husband and wife if we could like reveal. Like, are you okay with me saying that in front of him or her? Wow, yeah, that makes sense. And some people want to hear it separately and then they want to hear it together. So you guys are really tell everything.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

You guys are like the last person I need to worry about.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Yeah, you guys are amazing. So look, um, we'll start with the beautiful Sonia and her beautiful brain.

SPEAKER_03 3:43

Okay, I'm nervous, so let's get it out of the way.

SPEAKER_00 3:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And just allow me to say that this is non-diagnostic, it's just brain mental fitness. We understand the brain waves, the patterns that are really kind of running behind the scenes, why people do what they do, why they react what they react. So we take a look and understand which areas are underperforming or working well or overperforming, right? Because let's be real, no one's normal, right? None of us are perfect. So there's a lot of things that we could see that makes a lot of sense for the individual, and it's a lot of aha moments, right? So the idea here is just to kind of bring that to your attention and then just discuss it and see where it's coming from or why it's there. And most of the time we all have these hardwiring patterns that are just kind of working in the background. Yeah, so it's a fun thing, yeah. So can I start?

SPEAKER_04 4:35

Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_00 4:36

Yay! All right, we'll start with you.

SPEAKER_04 4:38

I feel like I'm you know that moment when you're waiting for your exams to come out.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Stop prolonging this.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

Oh my goodness. You're normal. There's nothing wrong with you. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Just kidding. Look, you really have a powerful brain, honestly speaking, and there's a a lot of capacity for you to kind of like crunch information and accept more things and then kind of like problem solve. And you're a great communicator as well. And your focus is sharp, your uh regulation is okay, not the best, but it's okay. What does regularly have to do? And we will talk about that. Just self-calming skills, if she just knows how to react. For example, if something happens, let's say you piss her off, right? She will kind of think about it first before she kind of just jumps right off the handle. Not all the time, but most of the time. So her brain is capable of doing that. Now, if you really trigger her multiple times, she's only human, right?

SPEAKER_01 5:37

Yeah, the regulation then is Yeah, exactly, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

So so the the great thing is your brain is very powerful, it works very well, there's absolutely nothing wrong with it, except in some areas it's overworking and it's not downshifting very well. And when you're not able to downshift your brain waves so you can go into relaxation state of mind, you kind of stay in high gear, even though if you're just sitting back and relaxing, your brain is working, right? So that can create some mental fatigue. Makes perfect sense. And you scan a lot. So you like to scan things, you like to see what's going on, you want to know what's happening. You're kind of like on the lookout a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

Basically a voyeur.

SPEAKER_00 6:21

Yeah, and and what was that? Maybe if you want to, but we call it hypervigilance.

SPEAKER_04 6:28

Yeah, yeah. That makes sense. That's interesting, actually, considering a past diagnosis I've had, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

Correct, and and we see why, and we understand why. There's some safety features there that are kind of making you worried, yeah, and you're constantly on the lookout, right? Um, so that kind of that brings tension. So in reality, it's it's intense on your brain because it's just not fully relaxing.

SPEAKER_04 6:55

I'm so sorry, love.

SPEAKER_00 6:57

Yeah, we'll we'll we'll we'll help you with that. That's not a problem. Um, and then your daily life sometimes looks a bit too hyper-vigilant, so you're kind of performing under pressure and you feel the need to stay in control, right?

SPEAKER_04 7:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

Don't second that. You stay quiet, mister.

SPEAKER_04 7:15

Yeah, he's coming next. I know. You've got to be. Thank you. Ramsey, I'm taking it like a champ.

SPEAKER_02 7:20

Look at me regulating myself.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

Yeah. So the secondary thing that we see is your brain is not, it has the tendency to kind of just keep drilling information. It's kind of like it's like a machine. You're like minding, mining information, so you can kind of come up with solutions, so you can kind of understand what's going on. Yeah. And that gives you a difficulty in kind of shifting into sleep mode. So when you do go to sleep, your brain is still overworking. So it's hypervigilant, right? So you're not really shifting into deep rejuvenation state where you're not getting the deepest sleep. Your delta is good, but you're not fully, fully sleeping the whole entire thing.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

Can I ask something about the things you're sharing with us right now and specifically on the difficulty to fall asleep? The data that you have gathered from our brains, is this data based on like the last two weeks, the last year, the last 10 years? How is the data reflected?

SPEAKER_00 8:23

Yeah, so we do read real-time brain waves, but that's not really what we're analyzing. So the brain waves have been doing the same thing over and over, you know, the pattern, right? So those become reinforced, which gives you, which makes you who you are. That's your personality and that's your character. That's what we're looking at. How is your brain functioning on a normal day, on a normal time? On average, yes, on average, exactly. Okay, and then we get to see the brain waves working alone and together.

SPEAKER_04 8:51

And that's usually what so you're saying if you did the same scan like 10 years ago, it would probably say the same thing, or some patterns will be changed, right?

SPEAKER_00 9:00

Because we have there are different new patterns.

SPEAKER_04 9:02

It's more like your current baseline.

SPEAKER_00 9:04

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 9:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Let's say the past few years baseline. So I'll give you an example. So if we did this brain scan before you had met Aegon and you were married, it would be different. Yeah. Maybe you would have the same patterns.

SPEAKER_01 9:18

No, I'd be way worse.

SPEAKER_00 9:21

Probably.

SPEAKER_01 9:22

It's actually a very beautiful thing you say.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

No, it's true. And I'll tell you where that comes in because that's that's a sense of security. So that you know opens up your heart, there's emotions, there's love, and then there's security, right? So it kind of turns off these little things that are creating anxiety. So yeah, 10 years ago is different than today, obviously, because every day you're shaping yourself. And then if you create new habits and then you keep doing them, that also shapes your brainwaves and the brain activity and your personality and character.

unknown 9:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:53

So if we were just to dig a little bit deeper, okay, we would say that you have a little bit of anxiety, my friend. And sometimes that pressure response becomes heightened and your anxiety goes up.

SPEAKER_04 10:05

Can I just say something? And this is like this is actually kind of funny. Like, it's funny that this is what I want to tell you right now. Like, I'm hearing that I have anxiety, and all I want to tell you is that I think it's so amazing that I don't think people around me can tell that I have anxiety.

SPEAKER_00 10:19

You're right. You hide it very well.

SPEAKER_04 10:21

It's so fucking cool.

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Yeah, you hide it very well, actually. And it's evident and it shows.

SPEAKER_04 10:27

Yeah, because like my reactivity, I don't think anyone can see.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

Yeah, his anxiety is a little bit more outwards. You're a bit, but the emotions, he's more inwards, you're more outwards.

SPEAKER_04 10:36

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Okay, okay, so I have anxiety, but who doesn't, Ramsey?

SPEAKER_00 10:41

Correct, right? We live in a very busy world. There's digital overload, there's just too much information, blue light, social media, keeping up with other people, and just it's life is not easy anymore, right? There's just so much going on. Financial, family, work, career, just all kinds of stuff. So I think it's only normal. We see a lot of people with anxiety. I think 98% of the brain maps we've done have anxiety.

SPEAKER_04 11:04

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 11:05

I think the only 2% are the people who live in the woods outside of technology.

SPEAKER_04 11:10

Does he have anxiety as well?

unknown 11:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 11:13

It's good.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

Maybe this is not a competition. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 11:16

It's it's I tell you, I tell you. Because I see you as like the to me, Aegon's like what I look to in terms of like this is what I want to be. So if you have anxiety as well, then it's But you know when I have anxiety, it's when we're late.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

Trust me.

SPEAKER_04 11:31

There's many more moments.

SPEAKER_01 11:32

I get anxious in the stay focused on you for now.

SPEAKER_00 11:37

Uh-oh. I'll show yours, don't worry. It's gonna make us fight, baby. That's his agenda. We're not supposed to fight.

SPEAKER_02 11:43

We have to stay united in this episode.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

But you know what your brain does when you get a little bit of anxiety?

SPEAKER_02 11:49

What?

SPEAKER_00 11:49

You start ruminating, you start thinking about the same thing over and over. Did I do this right? Did I not do this right? Should I have done this? Should I have not done that? And then your brain gets overwhelmed. And then you withdraw. So you kind of just clamp down a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 12:04

I do withdraw. But ruminate.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

So the thought process keeps looping.

SPEAKER_04 12:11

Like, do I ruminate? So I I know I like I don't know if you can say ruminate for future. You you usually ruminate on the past, right?

SPEAKER_00 12:21

On the past, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 12:23

So like if something happens or whatever, I tend to constantly think about the future. Okay, how can I do that better? I don't really loop in the past. Is that the same thing?

SPEAKER_00 12:32

Well, you're serious. Your your brain is you know getting gathering information from past so you can prepare for the future, right? Ah, okay. So kind of like the true definition of anxiety because you're not in the moment.

SPEAKER_05 12:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:42

So if you do something, let's say you said something to him and you kind of don't know if that bothered him or not, and then you say, Shit, I wish I didn't do that. I wish I would have said this. I would uh I know he gets annoyed with this, and maybe next time I should not do it, right? And then you kind of feel bad.

SPEAKER_03 13:02

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 13:03

And then also you will uh second guess yourself. So not necessarily with him, but if you take uh, let's say a business decision, you kind of start second guessing yourself if your anxiety is up. Okay, so if you're in that anxious state of mind.

SPEAKER_04 13:16

So anxiety equals self-doubt.

SPEAKER_00 13:19

Anxiety is fear, I think. Yeah, it's a lot of judgment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm hearing.

SPEAKER_04 13:26

So like you are not making an informed decision because you're making it from a place of fear.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

Exactly. Anxiety is fear, not you.

SPEAKER_01 13:33

It deforms the reality.

SPEAKER_00 13:35

And then it's only normal that we go backwards to get the information, right? Because your brain has an old memory stick. So and it holds all the emotions and it holds all of those memories. So when your brain gets the information through the frequency, which is the five senses, it comes through eyes, ears, touch, so it goes into your frontal cortex, right? And that's the CEO department. And then it sends it back so it can get more information, so it could kind of validate what's going on. And if you go check something outdated and it brings back old like memories or trauma, then you're gonna react with emotion.

SPEAKER_04 14:11

So, how does it work? Do you see the scans? Like, are there specific areas in the brain that's like this is for anxiety, this is for sadness that you are looking at clearly, or do you just see patterns? Uh okay, prefrontal cortex patterns, and this equals this.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Yeah, so when we're testing, or I shouldn't say testing, when we're reading brain waves, we're reading them from three different places on the head, the front, the center, and the back.

SPEAKER_05 14:37

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:37

And then we're reading the five different brain waves. We look at them alone, and then we look how they're working together.

SPEAKER_04 14:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

That's what really kind of shapes your story. Your story, your patterns, your behavior, your reaction, your sleep, your rest, almost everything, right?

SPEAKER_04 14:54

So which part of my brain needs to get better?

SPEAKER_00 14:59

I feel like one organ, yeah. Uh some people have problems in the frontal areas. Some people will have one on one side on the left hemisphere, but okay on that right hemisphere. So that usually creates a mismatch that's not balanced, and it can create a shift block. So we take a look at the exact brain waves in which area, so we can kind of zone in on the root cause, and then we train those brain waves to go back to their natural rhythm. So by the end of training, we like to kind of make sure that the brain is fully balanced, not necessarily training every single aspect of your brain.

SPEAKER_05 15:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:42

Because some areas are working well and some areas are not working so well.

SPEAKER_01 15:46

And what we what we're gonna do later today is showing a bit of how the training looks like, right? Yeah, we can do that. Okay, so before before let's not get too fast with ourselves. What else?

SPEAKER_00 15:56

Okay, let's continue. So after the anxiety, no, there's more. So after the anxiety and a little bit of emotional withdraw, your performance anxiety is what kind of gets to you. So when you want to do something new, or let's say that math test.

SPEAKER_04 16:13

Yeah, oh gosh, yes, that makes it.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

So that kind of makes your chest a little bit tight. And then if you really keep pushing, then your mental fog. So it just kind of blocks, it just kind of blanks.

SPEAKER_04 16:29

Actually, that makes so much sense. Yeah. I do withdraw. That's why that's why I actually I wonder from a from a standpoint of the brain how it works. Because I have anxiety, but my tendency is to be avoidant in my mannerism.

SPEAKER_00 16:44

You check out, yeah, you check out if it becomes too much. You're both, actually.

SPEAKER_04 16:49

I'm both, right? I always thought that. Thank you for the validation. I know I've said that because you see, it's so amazing when you have theory in your head, but now you can actually put the science behind it. Because I've only thought that I am anxious avoidant, but now you're not going to be able to do it.

SPEAKER_00 17:05

No, you're a little bit of both. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 17:07

Have fun.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

And you also have a little bit of perfectionism. So really let's just make that cocktail. Feel calm when things are right. So here's the good news your delta, which is responsible for your deep rest and sleep, is pretty good. It's not the healthiest in the world, but it's not bad. So you just sleep.

SPEAKER_04 17:31

Where do I rank in the world?

SPEAKER_00 17:32

Right in the middle. Right?

SPEAKER_04 17:34

This has been my life's cuss. Yeah. I'm average height. Okay. Now I'm average at sleeping as well.

SPEAKER_00 17:41

It's because there's a lot of activity going on.

SPEAKER_01 17:45

Yeah, okay. I'm just teasing it. It's all evenly distributed.

SPEAKER_02 17:48

I'm just teasing it. It's a balance, right?

SPEAKER_00 17:50

And and the reason for that is because your brain is not fully shutting off at night. Okay. Your theta, which is your deep relaxation in your internal processing, that's kind of like the manifestation state of mind, right? Smack dab in the middle as well. So you scored right on top of each other.

SPEAKER_03 18:08

So I manifest sometimes and sometimes I don't.

SPEAKER_00 18:13

Well, if you want to think about it, if you want to make yourself feel better, sure. I'm trying.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Let me ask you, like on the on the manifestation level, because I do feel that in the past few years, Sonia and I, we've had a lot of events in our lives that the manifestation really worked out. Meaning that there is some force and power that actually works. If you have a person who will do the brain scan, because I really want it to be useful for people watching as well, so they can relate. Let's say, you know, the word average means most people have it, right? So let's say most people watching this probably have the area of manifestation level average, right? Is it possible for a person to expand? And like if they start training their brain, they will go from having these waves from average to like great.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

For sure.

SPEAKER_01 19:04

Oh, it is.

SPEAKER_00 19:04

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

It's like a gym.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

So yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. It's like a yeah, it's like a gym for your brain. The more you keep exercising it, the stronger and better it becomes. It's mental fitness, literally, like physical fitness.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

The perfectionist in me is already thinking we're gonna do another episode, and by that episode, I would have done so many gym sessions that you're gonna tell them, tell them all that my brain is growing.

SPEAKER_00 19:27

What we do is after training, we do another brain map and then we compare before and after.

SPEAKER_03 19:32

That's amazing. Nice.

SPEAKER_00 19:33

Yeah, and a lot of to go back to your point, a lot of people go for alpha theta training because alpha state of mind is a great state of mind, right? A lot of people can solve problems while they're there, and things just become much easier, and it's like a flow state of mind. Yeah, so those the alpha state is the king.

SPEAKER_04 19:48

Where people want to be.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Okay. Yeah. And then if we take a look at your theta as well, uh, sorry, on your alpha, a little bit less. So you scored just a little bit before, uh uh uh little bit lower than your delta and theta.

SPEAKER_05 20:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Okay. And that's just because again, your brain is not going in a flow state of mind. It's not fully shutting off. So there's like a little bit of it's overworking. Exactly. There's just a little bit of sprinkles of extra stuff. And in the daytime, when you have theta and beta, okay, it's a little of kind of daydreaming or like foggy a little bit. So that's that's what we don't want is your delta theta and your daytime activity. Also, when yeah, so your alpha is healthy when you go from eyes open to eyes closed. Because when you close your eyes, the melatonin starts getting produced in your brain. That's very healthy for you. The opposite is not. So when your eyes are closed and you open them, it's slower. Let me ask you a question. Do you kind of wake up a little bit slow or groggy? It takes you a little bit of time in the morning to kind of get going.

SPEAKER_03 21:02

I think I don't allow myself the time to notice.

SPEAKER_00 21:06

Okay, so you just keep going. So you're adding more fuel to the fire. All right.

SPEAKER_03 21:14

It's burning.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

We'll talk about that a bit later, and I'll give you some hints and tips. Yeah. Um your beta, which is focus, alertness, logic, right now we're in alpha beta.

SPEAKER_03 21:26

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

We're flowing, we're talking, we're solving problems, there's some logic, and things are going great. You're also right dab in the middle of the in the middle. SmackDab in the middle of the chart, which is healthy. Most of the time we see it in the red. Most people have very fast betas.

SPEAKER_01 21:42

So, how what how does this affect people when they have the very fast one versus in the middle?

SPEAKER_00 21:47

The fast beta is not good. So her fast beta is in the red. So if we were to talk about beta, she has because of the anxiety, and then because she has internal strain and because of her. Uh processing. So it it her high beta is too high, but her normal beta is pretty normal. So it's right, it's it's good. So there's a few types of beta. Yes. And then there's the slower one, which is kind of like a good one to have.

SPEAKER_05 22:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

But we take a look at beta and fast beta. Fast beta is responsible for anxiety, lack of focus, memory loss, depression, rumination, worry. All the bullshit comes from that. Yeah. That's pretty high for you.

SPEAKER_04 22:29

Yeah, I I used to be majorly depressed. But can I say that's gone now?

SPEAKER_00 22:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 22:33

Like, is that gone or does that go?

SPEAKER_00 22:36

There's there's there's a little bit still left over, but it's not bad. Actually, the doctor and I were talking about it and we said, okay, we see it in multiple different areas, but is it like primary? Is it like a dominant um uh thing to discuss? And we decided that it would not be because it's just on the borderline.

SPEAKER_05 22:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:55

And it's also a byproduct as well. So if you kind of let go of the hypervigilance and the safety and that old stuff coming out that's making you kind of in high gear, that will go away.

SPEAKER_04 23:06

Yeah, I think it's also like sometimes it's a point of comparison, isn't it? Like for me, I tend to look at uh how I feel right now versus how I felt 10 years ago or six years ago. And I feel like my brain is so kind to me right now. Like now I feel like I'm in happy candy life. But that's because my point of comparison is pretty shit. Exactly. So when you say this, I'm just like, wow, like I wonder what it would have been like if you scanned me six years ago.

SPEAKER_01 23:33

Definitely would be like, Yeah, very different, right?

SPEAKER_04 23:36

It's fascinating how how much, yeah. But that's good to know though. It's still good to know.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

Okay, so we scored you in three different sections.

SPEAKER_02 23:43

Oh my god, I have a score! I'm just letting you know the anxiety is going up. Well the perfectionist anxiety.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

The stress and anxiety didn't score the 47%. You're amazing. No, no, it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 23:59

Tell me the truth.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

No, there's uh there's a little bit of, like we said, stress and anxiety. So you scored 47%.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

And the 100% is good or bad?

SPEAKER_03 24:07

100% is good.

SPEAKER_00 24:08

No, we see poor good or bad. So 100% 100% here is good. That means she scored pretty good on that test, but she scored pretty low on the 47.

SPEAKER_04 24:19

So this is stress and anxiety.

SPEAKER_00 24:21

Stress and anxiety. Okay, your focus and memory are pretty good. Okay, so you're almost 60%. Something that your sleep and your resilience and your rejuvenation is also pretty good. It's 58. It's not the best, but it's not the worst.

SPEAKER_04 24:36

I'm resilient. Come on.

SPEAKER_00 24:38

You are. It shows.

SPEAKER_04 24:40

Okay, yes.

SPEAKER_00 24:40

Yes, yes, and it shows. So does anyone say that I'm a funny person?

SPEAKER_04 24:46

Like, I'm just curious. Like, can you tell that I'm actually have a sense of humor?

SPEAKER_00 24:50

Yeah, both of us. We said that.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

Look at our brains.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

Can you like? Should I change careers?

SPEAKER_00 24:58

No, I think you should continue doing what you're doing because it shows passion, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 25:01

Yeah, blessed.

SPEAKER_00 25:01

Yeah, yeah. Okay, yay. I'm very passionate.

SPEAKER_04 25:03

Okay, yay.

SPEAKER_00 25:04

And then you're grounded in a way as well. I think you guys are just amazing together, honestly speaking. Touch wood, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

Then you're 50, then it's my 50. Together is a hundred.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

Baby, you're gonna be like everything hundred, I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 25:16

No, no, no, no, no, come on. I I wonder before we continue, uh, when you do a test like this, how important is the moment you're taking the test? Like your focus in the moment when these things are connected and you are downloading the waves of the brain. Yeah, let's say you catch someone on an amazing day or on a terrible day. Will there be any difference?

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Or it's yeah, there will be. There will be. That's why before we do the brain mapping, we ask, How are you feeling? We take kind of like a lifestyle assessment. We ask how it's trash.

SPEAKER_04 25:53

I'm actually like way better than this.

SPEAKER_00 25:55

Look, we've got the equipment. We'll test you one more time.

SPEAKER_04 25:59

I'm gonna do a seven-day Joe de Spenza retreat again. We do a silent and then right after that, you can test us.

SPEAKER_00 26:04

All right, yeah, he's all about alpha brainwaves, he's all about this stuff about the frequency and about the pattern.

SPEAKER_04 26:10

We went like for seven days.

SPEAKER_00 26:11

I've seen her meditate and she went very high.

SPEAKER_04 26:13

I I I I went flying.

SPEAKER_00 26:15

Oh, absolutely. I love Joe Dispenza. He's amazing.

SPEAKER_01 26:17

Do we have uh any more for Sonia?

SPEAKER_00 26:20

Uh just the three areas to enhance. Amazing. So the nervous system, we need to kind of calm that down. So we need to kind of shut off some of these things that are keeping you hyper-vigilant, um, which that will calm your hypervigilance, and then we need to work on some of the engagement and execution so it's not so heavy for you, right? So you can also relax and sleep at night.

SPEAKER_04 26:43

Okay. Nice.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

And that's pretty much it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:46

Oh, that's very stressful.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

Sleep. Sleep is the most important thing to But okay, tell me one thing.

SPEAKER_04 26:52

Why does my whoop score tell me that I'm always in the 90s? Is whoop a scam?

SPEAKER_00 26:57

On your sleep? Yeah. It's not a scam. Um it's a biofeedback device that detects from your wrist, right? In your cardiomyps, and from your heart rate. So it's kind of like a biofeedback that collects a lot of data. I'm not really sure why it's different.

SPEAKER_01 27:13

If you talk about mental heart and we talk about brain, you know? You know you can open your eyes and just lie down without moving and whoop will be.

SPEAKER_04 27:21

Yes, it happened to me actually. I had a night where I couldn't sleep, like, which is rare, so I just had my eyes open and I had like 90 score. I'm like, what are you talking about?

SPEAKER_01 27:28

Because your heart was slow and you were relaxed, but you didn't sleep. So I think that's the reason.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

A lot of times people come to us and when we say, Look, you have uh some sleep problems. No, I don't. My whoop says I'm 90%. I'm like, well, your whoops collecting your data from your wrist. I'm collecting data from six different places from your brain. So which one do you want to believe?

SPEAKER_04 27:48

Yeah. I believe you, I believe you.

SPEAKER_00 27:49

Yeah, not to talk shit about whoop. Obviously, I have one. I like it. I don't check it all the time.

SPEAKER_04 27:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:54

But it does give me signals. It does tell me if if there's stress in my sleep. Or it does tell me, yeah, yeah, it gives me good information. Absolutely. Yeah, that works. I like it.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

Let's move on.

SPEAKER_04 28:05

It's your time. It's time. It's your time. It's over.

SPEAKER_00 28:10

So you guys are pretty similar in the cognitive um strength and in your core foundation and in the stability.

SPEAKER_04 28:20

Is that good or bad? It's good. Okay, thank goodness.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Yeah, we resonate.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Your brain speed is actually pretty similar. So it makes things easy for you guys to communicate, especially since you guys work together.

SPEAKER_04 28:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

You just it's like this, right? You're not there's no.

SPEAKER_04 28:36

No, sadly.

SPEAKER_00 28:39

You ready? Yeah. You, my friend, also have hypervigilance.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_00 28:46

You are constantly anxious and constantly on the map.

SPEAKER_01 28:51

I walk around and I always take her to the side of the street to go on the left. So if the car hits from this side, I can protect her.

SPEAKER_03 28:57

My satisfaction that you're anxious.

SPEAKER_00 29:01

That that is just called a gentleman, and that is called because you love your wife. That is something amazing. Honestly speaking. Yeah, no, no, it's that's that's awesome. But also your brain does not shut off. Yeah, it's pretty much more than hers, actually. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:18

Ha!

SPEAKER_00 29:20

And you tend to kind of be highly aware of what's going on. Um you check out under pressure. You just kind of want to bolt. Yeah, yeah. When there's an emotional withdrawal.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

I have my weakness. It's my superhero kryptonite. My weakness is when I'm late. I don't know what it is. I think I learned it from my grandma, who would always get ready an hour before leaving and already sit stressed for an hour before going anywhere. I have this thing where let's say I'm at the airport and the flight is in one hour, but last minute they're telling us we actually need to repack our bag. Normally, like you know you have enough time, but my brain gives up. Yeah, I'm like, oh no, we're gonna be late. We're gonna and I even have dreams that uh my worst nightmares are about me being late, I swear. It's a trauma response, man. It's a trauma response. I know that in the front.

SPEAKER_00 30:20

I'm the opposite side. I wait until the last minute, so my central nervous system says, Oh shit, I gotta go. Which is also a trauma response. That's an ADHD trauma response for me.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Yeah, yeah. Okay, but so far what you say, I I very much relate to that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

And then when you're there, your brain doesn't shift smoothly and relaxing, when you're in that anxious state of mind. Yeah, yeah. So you don't shift, so you almost kind of just abandon.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

I've been I've been working on this. Yeah, I'm I'm aware. But the the beauty of doing tests like this is that some of the things I'll be aware of, some will be new information for me. I know I have a problem with this. And half of the success is knowing you have a problem, and then half the battle is understanding your problem, right? Catching yourself and be like, okay.

SPEAKER_04 31:06

I also think you've gotten better.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Yeah, over the years I've gotten way better.

SPEAKER_04 31:10

Like from initial days, you've gotten a lot of it.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

I catch myself, but I still sometimes go into this like yeah brain.

SPEAKER_04 31:17

And that's my time to shine.

SPEAKER_00 31:19

Yeah, and then she steps in and takes care of us, and then you're on you become guarded, and then you are not kind of opening up. So when you're in that state of mind, and uh although there's awareness, which is great, that's that's the biggest, that's the biggest key, really. Uh but internally you become very guarded, you just kind of clamp down. Yeah, yeah. Um so your hypervigilance is there. Um, it's uh it's noticeable.

SPEAKER_01 31:48

Does hypervigilance always need to mean that you're overthinking? Because I feel like hypervigilance, like if I had to like just visually imagine what it means, it means that you just uh control many aspects and you think of many things, right?

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Um not really. So hypervigilance is they come they kind of come together with anxiety. So you're on the lookout, you're cut scanning, you're waiting for something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mostly not all the time. Exactly. So you know, if you really keep paying attention to what is it that you don't want, you're just gonna attract it. So they kind of come in hand in hand.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

So it's basically focusing on something that you shouldn't be focusing on. Exactly. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

I tend to be hyper-vigilant in in some areas. It used to be a lot worse. I've been working on it, obviously. But yeah, hypervigilance is not a very positive thing, it creates more problems than anything else. Now, it's good when there is like fight or flight, right? If there's danger or if there's something happening or whatever, obviously you're quick to react, you're quick to see it.

SPEAKER_04 32:53

It's a common PTSD response, actually.

SPEAKER_01 32:56

I think I'd like to probably be a lot of people who run their own companies have hypervigilance.

SPEAKER_04 33:00

Now try three companies.

SPEAKER_01 33:01

The amount of things you can like you anticipate every day that happens to you is like you start running in this consistent problem-solving mindset that throws stuff at you, and then you assume that it will be every day. So now you And then it happens every day. Yeah, your baseline is being like let down and betrayed and disappointed with this part of the work, and then it just becomes your norm, even though it's not every day. But you live by that frequency. Yeah, yeah, I can I can understand.

SPEAKER_00 33:30

And it's more for you in public, so you're constantly paying attention to somebody else's tone of voice, their body language, yeah, and then you can react.

SPEAKER_03 33:38

So you're hyper-cause it makes so much sense that's crazy, actually, that you pointed it out.

SPEAKER_01 33:43

Yeah, I I I developed social anxiety when I became recognizable. Yeah, really, especially in the times when like we were doing super well and so many people knew me. Yeah, I had and I was living in a place that had people who are shy, so they would not come over, and I would consistently feel like people are taking their phones and recording me. And this was actually factual. It happened, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:09

They would send him videos like, Oh, saw you here, and then he sees videos of himself that you get that message permit, right? Oh god, so it developed it's it's so he literally developed it through experience.

SPEAKER_01 34:19

I developed it because I was, you know, it's up, it's like for some people it would be just obsessing over nothing, but for me, people were actually sending me videos of me. Yeah, yeah, you know, and so I've always felt someone's looking at me. It took me a good year or two to just like relax in public.

SPEAKER_04 34:36

Okay, yeah, interesting, and it's still there, but like he's so much better today, so it's it's fascinating that's fame is a funny thing, of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

Okay, that's good, but then it also makes you react quickly so you can snap or you hold it in when that happens.

SPEAKER_01 34:53

If there's any hitman out for us, they have no chance because I'm like CIA, FBI. Okay, what's next?

SPEAKER_00 35:01

And anxiety. So over-preparing, second guessing, spike in pressures before meetings, presentations, kind of like you were doing just a little bit ago. Uh so performance anxiety.

SPEAKER_01 35:13

Over-preparing.

SPEAKER_04 35:14

We are literally the same person for me.

SPEAKER_00 35:16

Overpreparing the same person, also opposites, which makes you guys very good together. But then there's an area we will discuss soon, which is your attachment style, and that's how things kind of go insane.

SPEAKER_01 35:28

Overpreparing, yeah. I have that. I have to. Yeah. I mean, I've always taken a great pride of being the one who always comes prepared.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

You know, so like I I see that it may be strenuous for the brain, but at the same time, I like to exceed.

SPEAKER_00 35:50

I I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I think it's better than the way we are, last minute, get it done. But I I I say I do better under pressure, but in reality, it's just my system needs to kind of kick me in the ass to get going.

SPEAKER_03 36:04

For you to move, right? For me to move.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:07

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

Again, yeah, it's not healthy, but I'm working on it. So we discussed that, and then we said about the emotional withdrawal. Oh, you like silence over anything else when it comes to if you're if when it comes to let's say friction, argument, overload, stress, you want quiet. Like, leave me the fuck alone.

SPEAKER_04 36:31

More than me.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Yes, you're the anxious one.

SPEAKER_04 36:35

Really?

SPEAKER_00 36:35

He's the avoidant one.

SPEAKER_04 36:36

I always don't want to see people.

unknown 36:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 36:38

He's like, why don't you want to see people? I'm like, I just don't want to.

SPEAKER_00 36:41

That's probably because you're just tired.

SPEAKER_04 36:44

Yeah, I'm just tired. Yeah. That's usually that's actually literally why.

SPEAKER_00 36:47

That's just because mental fatigue.

SPEAKER_04 36:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:50

And then the byproduct for you is the fatigue at night, sleep. You're not shifting.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

Oh no, he's not sleeping well either.

SPEAKER_00 36:59

He sleeps, but it's not full. And it's not fully shifted, it's not fully switched off.

SPEAKER_01 37:06

The brain.

SPEAKER_00 37:06

Exactly. His delta is also very good, also in the green. His theta is also actually his theta is just a little bit worse than yours. But it's still in the middle.

SPEAKER_03 37:17

What does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 37:18

So if we look at the green, yellow, and red, yeah, he is in the yellow, yours in the middle, he's closer to the red.

SPEAKER_04 37:25

But what does a uh good theta?

SPEAKER_00 37:28

Fatigue.

SPEAKER_04 37:28

Fatigue. Damn, okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

Yeah. So if it's in the daytime, it's fatigue. Are you or dreamy, like kind of.

SPEAKER_04 37:35

So interesting because he's like the most energetic. I swear, like when I'm like, okay, you're not a doctor, I know, but I just we just had a doctor tell us this this morning, actually.

SPEAKER_00 37:46

What I just said?

SPEAKER_04 37:47

Just tell us. Like he literally touched me somewhere and said appropriate places and said that you are exhausted, like there's no battery in you. Okay. And I consider myself an incredibly energetic, high energy person.

SPEAKER_01 38:00

And it's not like we die before sleep.

SPEAKER_04 38:02

And and he is very energetic. Like, if I'm energetic, he's 10 times more energetic, right? So whenever like a doctor tells us she scanned me and I've been diagnosed with chronic fatigue, and he's like, What are you talking about? Like, we are like, so I want to try to understand.

SPEAKER_01 38:18

Are we overpowering these because of our healthy lifestyle?

SPEAKER_04 38:22

Like, why? I feel like I have so much energy.

SPEAKER_01 38:24

It's actually really hard to for me to find people who have more energy than me. I know.

SPEAKER_00 38:30

That's because both of you have very, very high beta.

unknown 38:33

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 38:34

So the high beta is it's like pushes. It's hyper.

SPEAKER_04 38:37

Ah, okay. Yeah, we're hyper. Okay. So that pushes through the hyper. If you're tired or not, you're gonna behave not tired.

SPEAKER_00 38:45

Yeah, but you're not performing at your peak best.

SPEAKER_01 38:49

Yeah, of course. Yeah, that there's always.

SPEAKER_00 38:51

Both of you have excellent alpha peak scores, by the way. That's really good. That's it shows that you're smart, it shows that alpha peak is like a good score.

SPEAKER_04 38:58

I'm gonna go and tell my teacher.

SPEAKER_00 39:00

Yeah, cognitive, yeah, cognitive processing, it's very healthy, but your high beta is too high. He's also in the red. And that's really how the triggers come around. And then you go into your area, she goes into her area, opposite attracts. So sometimes if you guys don't know how to properly communicate or don't understand it, then you guys can clash.

SPEAKER_05 39:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:25

And then if you clash and she clashes and you're triggered, then she's triggered, it's no longer you're fighting. It's no longer you fighting, it's the inner child and the trauma.

SPEAKER_01 39:34

The byproduct of us um being in the high beta, probably, is that we we tend to go into our corners and just like focus on our own worlds.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

That's so healthy, and I'm glad you guys know how to do this. Because one of the things that I was gonna tell you about is if you guys are going through this loop, then it's very yes, and it's a very good idea.

SPEAKER_04 39:58

That was early on in our relationship, it doesn't exist anymore.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

Two years now that we already three labels. Yeah, that ruins a lot of relationships, including mine. So, yeah, so that that could really because there's no awareness, you don't understand, and you're stuck. You you could be stuck in avoidance, you need space, she's stuck in an anxiousness, she needs to fix and answers, and she wants to deal with it. It's suffocating for you. It's and when you kind of withdraw, it's like where's my love? I don't feel safe and secure anymore.

SPEAKER_04 40:28

Honestly, for me, I I also go away.

SPEAKER_00 40:31

It's because you're I think that's our problem.

SPEAKER_04 40:33

We we we sometimes I think we we go away for too long, we just go away, and then everything is fine.

SPEAKER_00 40:39

I don't know if that's healthy or not. I'm not a relationship. No, it's not healthy, it's not healthy.

SPEAKER_04 40:43

We usually have to like pick ourselves up, but it's so much better than early days when we were reactive. Now we take our time apart, we both like the time apart.

SPEAKER_01 40:52

That's mature, and we're like, hey, like we we kind of drifted apart. Let's come up with that. Yeah, let's country struggle.

SPEAKER_04 40:58

It usually takes one of us will find out.

SPEAKER_01 41:00

Nowadays it takes maybe a week. It could take months. We we just didn't want to come back.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

Oh, so your anxious avoidant became avoidant. Oh, yeah. Because you check out, and then you're avoidant avoidant, and then you're like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fuck everybody.

SPEAKER_04 41:15

Yeah, so I put all my like if there's ever a relationship thing, my default that I need to work like hard to not fall into is I will just put everything into all the businesses.

SPEAKER_00 41:26

Yeah. So you're fueling it, you're taking and fueling something else.

SPEAKER_04 41:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:31

But if yeah, that's not the helpful. No, it's not good. But we're good. We're good. It doesn't need to be a good idea. I'm anxious avoiding it. You also I'm anxious about it. And that's usually the worst because you get the shitty part of this, and then the change.

SPEAKER_04 41:47

Because like, then I would just not know that I have a problem.

SPEAKER_00 41:51

Uh sometimes I wish I was just more avoidant because I attract avoidance.

SPEAKER_05 41:55

Oh, you do, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 41:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:56

And if I if they pull me into trigger land, then you know I want to fix. I want to become anxious, and then I suffocate them. And then it's like, what the hell? And then I if I completely withdraw when my avoid avoidance comes through.

SPEAKER_05 42:08

Yeah, usually the avoidant, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:10

Then the avoidant kind of wakes up and feels bad, and then they come chasing after the anxious.

SPEAKER_04 42:15

You can find a really there are really good avoidance in the market.

SPEAKER_02 42:19

I'm just letting you know.

SPEAKER_00 42:20

We're gonna make him the poster child.

SPEAKER_04 42:21

He's gonna make we're gonna make him the position.

SPEAKER_01 42:23

I'm no longer I don't I identify actually. Nowadays I identify with the the healthy attachment.

SPEAKER_04 42:30

Mostly, yeah. I think we learn how to do it.

SPEAKER_01 42:32

I've learned, and that's the beauty of life, is that once you have the right triggers to your patterns, so what I can I can feel the feeling of when I become uh either too ego-centered and I react to something she says, or I'm avoiding something, I can feel it. I just have a rule that I instantly go to her. Yeah, that's I've seen it happen. I used to like if we go through something, I used to just surrender to it and it would just take me to like a random place that who knows if I ever come back to her with that issue. Nowadays, what I do is that if I go through this, the moment I find out that I just did it, I come to her. That's my I go through the discomfort and I come to her.

SPEAKER_04 43:22

Yeah, it's really we both have it. I like we both changed a lot in this regard. I'm not reacting to that.

SPEAKER_00 43:27

How we make truth with the inner child, in each other's inner child.

SPEAKER_01 43:31

Yeah, that's amazing. We did. Yeah, we did. Okay, let's continue. That's cool.

SPEAKER_00 43:34

Because we want to where do you think you fall on the stress and anxiety score? More than her or less than her?

SPEAKER_01 43:41

Stress and anxiety score.

SPEAKER_00 43:43

She's 47. Where are you?

SPEAKER_01 43:46

Uh so if I have less percent, that means I'm more anxious.

SPEAKER_00 43:50

No, let's just say if 100 is the best, and then zero is the worst. She's 47, where are you?

SPEAKER_01 43:57

I can't self diagnose this. I'm gonna give a score. I am so. I don't know if it's my energy and maybe it just wins with everything. I am such an optimism, optimist about myself.

SPEAKER_05 44:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

Like the way I live my life is like I feel I'm doing great. I don't, and I don't have this like that. I'm in denial or anything like that. For years now, I have been shaping my reality that's outside of what's possible for me, and it just keeps on progressing one step at a time, where I started and where I'm now. So how am I so anxious to you? In my head, in my head, if you ask me, I would say I'm amazing. I'm probably like 80%, 90. But I understand based on your whatever you said, my brain is jumping. Can I make a guess? What 45?

SPEAKER_00 44:45

No, can I make a guess? Be nicer to yourself.

SPEAKER_04 44:48

Maybe I'll make a guess.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

But she was 47 right now. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:51

I think he is a 63.

SPEAKER_00 44:53

Ooh, 65 close. Really?

SPEAKER_04 44:55

No, you're all right.

SPEAKER_00 44:56

So focus and memory. You're 50. Yeah, so focus and memory. You scored 59%.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

You my memory is not so good. I sucked at school. Really?

SPEAKER_04 45:06

But you're what it better.

SPEAKER_01 45:07

Focus is very good. So I don't know, like how are the different things? I would say I'm similar to her. I would say I'm in her 55, 60.

SPEAKER_00 45:15

50.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

Yeah, yeah. So who's more? You are more.

SPEAKER_00 45:18

And then uh your sleep. Where do you score with your sleep?

SPEAKER_01 45:24

It's very on and off because of our travel.

SPEAKER_04 45:26

Honestly, if I'm not sleeping well, then you're definitely not sleeping well.

SPEAKER_01 45:29

My default is probably like Sonia's. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:32

Pretty close to each other. Yeah. You're just a little bit, uh, you scored just a little bit below her. But yeah. So again, it's the downshifting.

SPEAKER_05 45:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:42

It's the completely shutting off in the middle of the night that you're not reaching there. You're sleeping. It shows that you're sleeping. It's just not the best.

SPEAKER_04 45:50

You're not resting, even if you're sleeping.

SPEAKER_00 45:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 45:52

Could it could we be doing it to each other? Like, should we sleep separately in different beds?

SPEAKER_00 45:56

No, I don't think so. I don't think that's a good thing. And couples, I don't find that to be healthy.

SPEAKER_02 46:02

Unless I mean I want my brain to be perfect. Stop being such a controlled brain.

SPEAKER_00 46:07

It's easy, honestly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:10

Yeah, I know. We're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_00 46:15

Um, it's just a little bit of uh just calming your brain down, really.

SPEAKER_01 46:21

Yeah, and we are just like we as humans are just like our inner children are living through the adult bodies. I know. Like we we as kids we have never received uh validation, we have not received enough love. So I feel like we just always care so much about how we are to do.

SPEAKER_04 46:42

We're eager to please. I think both of us have that.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

Like our inner children want to be seen and loved and and appreciated, and so it they kind of thankfully we do it for each other a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 46:54

Yeah, we because we have a similar inner time.

SPEAKER_00 46:56

It's good that you guys went over that kind of hump, right? Because I think that's where most fail in their relationships, they just kind of hit that brick wall and then they just kind of don't know how to get past it, yeah, yeah, past it together, yeah. Together, and then there's all kinds of weird shit out there and different advices or whatever. Yeah, teach his own, but uh you guys did it well, in my opinion. Um again, I'm not a relationship. Based on our waveforms, based on how you are, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 47:23

You guys so how do they how do they interact together?

SPEAKER_00 47:26

So you guys are very similar. Well, let me tell you what we need to help you with. So again, the downshifting, so the speed, your brain is so fast, yeah. So we need to shift that down, and your anxiety or performance or needs to kind of chill, yeah, and then um keep your brain engaged without shutting down. Because when you shut down, it takes a lot of mental effort to kind of just because you withdraw. Restart is like switching off the car and then yeah, and we that byproduct is to reduce your hypervigilance as well. Yeah, so you guys are very similar in so many different ways, nice because we can work on a similar program together, right? And then you guys complement each other in a lot of ways, especially in in your working relationships. So she brings things to the table, you bring other things to the table.

SPEAKER_02 48:13

Tell him all the things that I bring to the table.

SPEAKER_00 48:15

Stop being echantrophy.

unknown 48:21

Stop.

SPEAKER_02 48:22

It's enough, it's time, come on, not your bossy, huh? Oh my god, yes. Thank you. Ramsey, you want a room next to our room when you went sleep next door.

SPEAKER_00 48:32

He can get snippy too.

SPEAKER_02 48:33

Oh, yeah, he's a sassy little I used to be.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

Come on, now there's some Nazis.

SPEAKER_02 48:40

Used to excuse with war. Excuse me.

SPEAKER_01 48:44

What reasons do you give me anymore? Okay, with desirable, but you are 51%, you're the CEO of this project. You're the boss. I just listen.

SPEAKER_00 48:56

And I would too. I told you we're gonna be on her side by the end of the day.

SPEAKER_02 49:02

No, you can be on his side. I'm also on his side.

SPEAKER_00 49:06

I think we're all on this side. You guys are awesome, honestly speaking. I mean, just from what we saw, pretty impressive.

SPEAKER_01 49:14

So now you you have done some brain surgery on us right here. I know what I would love to before we progress to some uh gym brain brain gym. Can you tell us how did you become the founder of Mind Tune? Why did you even discover this world and what brought you to to the need to bring this to people?

SPEAKER_04 49:40

Why is this your mission?

SPEAKER_00 49:41

Um, wow, long story. Um we have time. Yeah, it started 22 years ago.

SPEAKER_04 49:47

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 49:48

Um when I was dealing with my own issues, really, uh, and I didn't know what they were. I was just a young um entrepreneur, I guess you could call it. And uh my family had moved. I was in a long-term relationship of five and a half years, so my my ex-girlfriend and I had broken up. My brother and his family had moved, and I was just kind of trying to build this business that my brother and I had together. And uh I thought I was happy. I was driving a nice car, I was traveling, I was doing all kinds of fun things, but I was just torn on the inside. I all of a sudden I just was not motivated anymore to go to work. I just didn't have the drive, just kind of depression, right? Just I didn't know what depression was. So the family doctor said, Look, I think you need to talk to someone. You may be going through some mild depression.

SPEAKER_01 50:39

22 years ago, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:40

22 years ago, yeah. I think I was 21 or 20, I don't know, somewhere between 21 and 23 years old. Um, and that gave me depression, right? Because now my doctor is telling me you have depression. Look, your family left. He's a family doctor, so he knew everybody. Um, anyways, long story short, so I went and I seeked professional advice, and he was a life coach and a psychiatrist, and uh went through some assessment, we start talking, and honestly, he said, Look, you've got a lot of shit going on. Childhood trauma, you had moved from Jordan to the US, uh, you know, you were bullied a lot, you had to fight constantly. I I came from Jordan, so we'd fight in the street for fun, right? And I went to the States and I fist fight two, three times a day. Morning, afternoon, and fuss stop, but yeah, in school and gym class. I was constantly on alert.

SPEAKER_01 51:34

I don't want to be on the your bad side if you do so many twice. I know, no, I'll just hug you and we'll just talk. Be very peaceful, man.

SPEAKER_00 51:40

No, no, no more. Um, so that took a toll on me, and then he diagnosed me with depression, anxiety, and executive paralysis.

SPEAKER_02 51:50

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 51:50

Which I had no idea what it means, right? And the name's kind of scared. Anyways, I left already depressed just for him telling me I had depression and executive paralysis and anxiety. So that was really hard on me. Uh, but I wanted to continue, right? Because I wanted to understand what's going on. And I have a kind of I'm intrigued by the human brain and I love psychology. Um, so I'm like, okay, look, what do we need to do? And he said, you either put you on Adderall, which is kind of like concerta, Ritalin, um concentration pill, right? Attention span. Or we do neurofeedback, and I'm like, well, I don't want pills.

SPEAKER_04 52:27

Wow, this is back when?

SPEAKER_00 52:29

2003.

SPEAKER_04 52:33

Okay. So neurofeedback's been around for a while.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

Yeah, it's been around since the 50s.

SPEAKER_04 52:38

Oh, wow. Okay. It's just not been mainstream.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

Yeah, it's been a hipster.

SPEAKER_04 52:42

You just want to hide it from the world.

SPEAKER_00 52:43

Yeah, yeah. Top dogs is who did it. And then we kind of got introduced to it. When I did it, there were 15 centers in the US. Today I think there's 15 centers in every state city. Yeah. So um he said neural feedback. I said, What is that? He said, natural training for your brainwaves, kind of like what I just told you. I said, I don't want pills, and then he started showing me the newer feedback stuff, and that scared the shit out of me. It was a helmet with a thousand cables coming out, and the machine was the size of the stable. So it kind of freaked me out, right? And I'm like, I'm not doing this.

SPEAKER_04 53:17

Especially those days. I think there was like a stigma around, like, yeah, you know, mental health stuff. Your mentality is he gonna zap me?

SPEAKER_00 53:25

I mean, is he gonna change my personality? What the hell's going on here? Yeah, and thank you, but no, thank you. So he said, look, why don't I put you on Adderall for uh a month so you could see what the other side is like? And holy shit, did that change things around? And I came back and I said, I want to do this, I want to be on this forever. And he said, It's highly addictive. I don't suggest. He's a psychiatrist, huh? And he suggested not to be on medication. Um, so I said, Okay, well, look, let me do my research on neurofeedback. And he said, Look, you're gonna love it. I said, All right, sounds good. He had mentioned something about it's new and he needed help from entrepreneurs because he was too clinical and he didn't know how to kind of scale it up or advertise it. And I had a business partner at the time who was suffering from anxiety, and I was telling him about this thing, and uh we decided that we would both go and uh do it as subjects. So I did 25 sessions. My friend Elliot, shout out to him by the way, um, did 25 sessions, and we said, if this works, we will do kind of a first neurofeedback center. And I wanted to open up a brain spa because I thought, why go clinical? Why not bring this to everybody? Why don't people know about this? Why people aren't using it because it's helping them. It really was a magic bullet for me. It changed my life. It really did. I slept better, I focused better, I got my mojo back. It just kind of picked me up, right? And it lowered my anxiety a little bit. Um, and it helped with the depression. So, long story short, that's how the whole idea of the brain spa and how it came, and I've always been ready.

SPEAKER_01 55:11

It's always the best stories that come from your own experiences. Because you know what it did for you in order to do that.

SPEAKER_04 55:21

And how it can help so many other people.

SPEAKER_00 55:22

And then through research, I realized that the CIA was using it, the police was using it, Air Force was using it, NASA was using it, the professional athletes, top CEOs were using it, kids. I'm like, shit, why don't people know about this?

SPEAKER_04 55:39

Why do you think it was kept away from people?

SPEAKER_00 55:42

Big pharma big pharma.

SPEAKER_01 55:44

If you can addict someone to pills for their whole life, of course that's gonna be the choice of the big money society. Yeah. That's sad. It should be more accessible.

SPEAKER_04 55:57

Well, it is now, thankfully.

SPEAKER_01 55:59

What are some of the uh some of the most significant transformations you have seen among the people you worked with? You know, com someone comes to you with something, and then by the end of the sessions, the pro we have some cool success stories.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

So give us like a the recent uh few have been uh husband and wife can't stand the household together, and they're just so triggered. Um once we did the brain map and we kind of showed them like I did with you guys, there was just so many aha moments to them. They're like, oh my god, now I know why she does this, or now I know why he does this.

SPEAKER_04 56:44

What were the things just so um just pressure?

SPEAKER_00 56:47

So when let's let's take him for an example. When he avoids, you're annoyed, you feel not loved and not safe. Yeah, right? So you're wondering, but you have no idea that his brain can't help it.

SPEAKER_04 57:01

Like it's literally shut down.

SPEAKER_00 57:03

Literally shut down. This why this guy wants space, he wants to analyze things. He also has anxiety on the inside, yeah. So he's kind of calculating it on his own. But because his brain is overwhelmed, most men they'll just say, fuck it. By the way, am I allowed to curse?

SPEAKER_04 57:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You already said, I wanted to ask so many times. Did you curse? A few times, yeah. Because I heard him do it.

SPEAKER_01 57:28

So I'm like, maybe it's you cursed? No, I didn't.

SPEAKER_04 57:30

He never curses. Oh, you must have hurt me. Yeah, yeah. I have a foul must.

SPEAKER_00 57:34

You should have told me to stop anyway.

SPEAKER_04 57:36

No, you can just continue. No, all good, really.

SPEAKER_00 57:38

Okay, cool. So, yeah, so uh that's an eye-opener. So another success story is um wait, so what happened with them? They chilled, they actually started doing near your feedback and it really just changed their relationship. Oh wow, it changed the environment.

SPEAKER_01 57:53

You know what it sounds to me like household, uh especially in the context of a relationship. I think for the both of us, when you share these details with us, it doesn't have such a charge charge because we talk about everything all the time. We're very close and we Sonia will know everything. Like I I but if a relationship is in a tough spot and the partners stop talking to each other, this sounds like an amazing type of a therapy because there are many people out there who live in relationships, but they actually don't know each other anymore because they've been fighting for a year now and they stop sharing. And so to sit down and be like, okay, like I have anxiety, and to find it from there, if you see it for the first time, you're like, Oh, really? Okay, and then I find oh, you need to be in control, oh, really, like it's it really is it can be healing.

SPEAKER_04 58:50

It helps on two levels because one, it helps us understand ourselves because sometimes I think, like I said in one of the instances, we might be moving faster than our body, and so we might not like our brain might be moving at 100 miles an hour, and so we don't even realize, okay, actually, my nervous system is not regulated, right? We think we're fine. But then, so it helps the individual, but then also I think I see this a lot with like women. We have a tendency to look at men like ourselves. So we feel like I have so much empathy. If he's going through this, you know, I would do this for him. Why is it that when I when the roles are reversed, he's not doing the same for me? And there are really so many differences between the male and the female brain, but also in our attachment styles and everything. So I think what I really like about what you're finding out, especially in this couple that you mentioned, is that we get to see live that the person's not lying or the person's not being difficult. It's not that your partner hates you or doesn't love you, but actually, quite literally, he's having a very different reaction. And you don't have a reference point for that because you might have a completely different way that your brain works. So you you can't even fathom that a person could go and deal with a stressful situation in the way that your partner deals with, but it could be just as difficult on him. You know, like I think we have a tendency to go, like, oh, just because I'm anxious, it must be so much more difficult for me than it is for the avoidant. But no, he's going through his own like hell. And so I really love these scans because it also humanizes us. I think it allows us to have more empathy. Like, okay, like he also can't sleep, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:34

Like you you start to realize, okay, like my hypervigilance is hitting right now. It's 6 p.m.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:39

Oh, there he is.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

We need we need to set up this the setup now.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:43

Yeah, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:44

And yeah, take the stuff off too.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:46

Yeah, yeah, we look crazy. This was here, by the way, just for visual optics.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:52

Oh, wait, on that note um of the couples. So he had um fear of public speaking. Oh, and he uh is constantly stressed from work, from home, from children, and he crashes. He doesn't even sleep, he just passes out. Um then all of a sudden his watch started showing him blue charts at night. He's not stressed while he's sleeping, he's dreaming, he's remembering his dreams.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:24

And he How many sessions he had to do?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:26

He did 12 sessions, but we heard that I think on the fourth or fifth session that he started sleeping better. Wow, and then I think on the sixth or the seventh, he sent a message saying, I've never seen this chart in blue. And I gave a public speech today.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:44

Wow, overcame his fear.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:46

Overcame his fear. To me, that was that's amazing. That's so cool.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:50

That is such a win. That is such a win, and also it's pretty accessible. Like, I'm excited to show everyone how we do that. How we did this. And then mothers.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:58

Let's we need to, because we don't have much time, okay? In action. Let's let's set up the biofeedback now.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:06

Yeah, okay, great.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:07

What else are we talking about?

SPEAKER_04 1:02:10

This is cool, you know, like it's fun you get to see what someone's brain is like live. I wonder though, in general, what are people coming in with that you're finding patterns? Okay, this is a main issue that our world has today.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:25

Mainly we see a lot of focus attention. So ADHD is a big one. Um people want to focus more, sleep is a big one. Um emotional regulation, so people are becoming quite reactive. So we see a lot of brain fog, a lot of stress, which turns out into bad sleep. So those are the main concerning ones.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:49

And are you seeing that that's changed? Because you've been doing this for a while. I wonder if, like, has this changed over time? Like, has the political climate or just the general climate made things worse over time? You know, I'm curious.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:02

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So anxiety is top, and then ADHD is also top. So a lot of people are misdiagnosed with ADHD simply because either social media diagnoses them, yeah, or their friend diagnoses them, or they self-diagnose. In reality, they don't have ADHD, it's just the same symptoms, right? Because it's overload, it's digital information overload, and it's blue light. So they become not so focused, and there's just so much going on. Everybody's spread thin. But yeah, also anxiety and depression, especially because of the wars and what we've been watching live on TV for the past few years, it's not normal. We're not designed that way, and the brain is not designed to comprehend all of these things. That's why it shuts off sometimes.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:43

Yeah, wow. So you've actually seen over the years this trend of it actually going up.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. And it's just gonna keep going up. Wow, that's just like uh it's I've watched the market for 14 years to do the brain spa and mind tune because when there's no pain, people are not gonna do anything about it. And then now everybody wants to see why they're doing what they're doing or feeling what they're feeling. It's awareness. Awareness is key.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:12

That's amazing. And what can we what are you doing besides I suppose neurofeedback is something that everyone should be doing in that case that's coming in with this issue.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:21

I guess that the first step is to get diagnosed, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:24

Yeah. Like I mean, but you're not you're not really diagnosing.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:26

No, but diagnose, in a sense, I use the word diagnosed, but I don't know what other word would I use for the brain scan. Like the first step for someone, let's say there's people watching this right now, and I mean we all have so many repetitive issues in our lives, like anxiety pattern. We get worried with this or that. The first step is to come and get the brain scan, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:48

Yeah, understand. Because once you understand, even if you don't do the training, just understanding what triggers you and how you react to certain things can be beneficial.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:56

Is this why you decided to do this and bring it to people's homes? Because that's what you do. You came to our home, you did the scans with us in our own room. Is that why you made it so accessible?

SPEAKER_00 1:05:11

So I've been really dreaming about this for 22 years. I wrote the first business plan August 2005. And then ever since I moved to UAE, which was 14 years ago, I've been waiting to see the right timing, right? I wanted to create something that is a lifestyle, yet clinical, neurological, um, very sophisticated, science-proof, data researched. And I wanted to make it easy. I wanted to make it accessible for everyone. So it's away from the clinic, either in your home, in your office, or you can come to one of the clinics that we're working out of. So I was trying to make it very accessible and remove all of these pain points for everybody, which is traffic now these days, which is parking now these days, time, mom with kids. She doesn't want to.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:01

I mean yeah, it's just so nice to order it and it comes to you. And when when people do the brain gin, do you also come to home?

SPEAKER_00 1:06:11

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we do in-home uh sessions, we do an office for corporate training. We do soon we'll be doing remote.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:20

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:20

Yeah. So I have access to technology and uh some really, really cool stuff that's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:27

So you can do neurofeedback from different places.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:29

Yes, ma'am.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:30

That's amazing. You mentioned offices. So can teams actually use this to somehow increase? I'm sure individually, of course, every company benefits when their employees and staff and team members are at peak performance in their brain. So that's for sure. But I wonder if we can use this, like you scan both of us, for instance, yeah, and we also run businesses together. Can we use the information that we find here to lean into our strengths and work together as a team better?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure. Um, so it's it's really good for uh corporate wellness because it really enhances everybody's brainwaves and their performance and their um for their output. And then they're less reactive. And then also the employee wants to feel good that their employer is bringing something cool. So this is neuroscience technology coming into corporate wellness. It's a new thing, and people are benefiting from it. Uh, to go back to your question, it really does make a lot of difference when let's say executives know each other's strengths and weaknesses, kind of like I shared with you where your strength is, which is his weakness, and vice versa. You're more detailed, you're more perfectionist, he's high-level visionary, he doesn't want to get overwhelmed with things. So you guys complement.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:51

Well, actually, literally what we do. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:53

Yeah, I'm there. And it's and the operations and his vision and the operations, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:58

Yeah, so it really helps. So it's just like with couples, same thing with because at work because at the end of the day, people are spending so much time, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:06

Have you ever had a case that you've seen where two people come to you, whether it's a relationship or they work together, and you look at their brains and you can see that it cannot work out because their brains is in such a disconnect that it's just too different. Is there such a case?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:28

We haven't had the chance yet to say these two shouldn't work together. Okay. But if you see anxiety and anxiety, rigidity and rigidity, stubbornness and stubbornness, reactivity and reactivity, yeah, you don't want these two in one room.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:44

We didn't have this, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:45

No, you guys for bashing heads. Absolutely, absolutely, especially in our region. So you have, you know, ego, you have uh knowledge, you have experience, you have history, you have power, you have there's all kinds of stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:01

So putting these two in one room, you can't have too many cooks in the kitchen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:06

Wow. Interesting that you can see that. Do you want to do that?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:09

And then that reflects, you know, that energy is top down, so it goes across the whole entire organization.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:16

Amazing. And I'm guessing this is also very useful for people that actually have depression, like you mentioned, anxiety, you mentioned, ADHD. Are you seeing that parents are using this more or people in general?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:31

Yeah, a lot for focus, a lot for emotional regulation. Um also for addiction. Oh, so there's yeah, so so parents seek that to help with addiction rather than having to go and medicate addiction.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:51

Children's or parents?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:53

Both. But yeah. So there's tech addiction, there's iPads, yeah, yeah, there's all sorts of addiction. I mean, cheap dopamine addiction. How do you appropriate? There's also emotional addiction. Or porn, yeah, or alcohol, or whatever it may be is addiction is addiction, right? So if you regulate the brainwaves, it kind of starts turning off these triggers.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:14

Wow, so we can help with porn addiction.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:16

So, how does it work with the addiction space? How let's say you have a 10-year-old Johnny who sits too much on his phone and he's starting to get aggressive, but the parents don't know what to do because they gave him the phone, and now if they don't give the phone, the kid is screaming. How would you approach that from the brain standpoint to unaddict a child?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:37

Yeah, so that's a high beta brainwave. So you get to downtrain it and then be careful, you get it regulated, and you probably increase the alpha so they're a bit more flow state of mind and they're calmer rather than reactive. So you do that through the exercises? Yeah, so you downtrain one and you up train the other.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:59

It's interesting because neurofeedback requires you to look at the screen and watch something. And then if someone's addiction is related to watching either their phones a lot or porn, then I wonder how it works because you're still making them look at something that is a different way.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:15

It's literally their addiction as well, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:17

It's like very different behavior.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:19

Different behavior because you we try to show uh non-stimulating things like National Geographics, you know, like you watch you know, something that's pretty normal or baseline.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:29

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:30

Um, but I mean if you're gonna do near feedback watching a dark, traumatic movie, it's not really the best idea. And if Mike, God forbid, if I had a child that was addicted to screen, I might he might as well get smarter while he's watching TV, right? Or while playing on his phone. Let me connect to focus. Yeah, at least let him get regulated while he's playing his video games that's out there, video games for kids with near feedback.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:00

Wow, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I've I've seen about that. Now I know what how it works. That's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:06

So soon we're gonna have all of these devices, and there's gonna we're gonna also have a lifestyle, kind of like the whoop, but for the brain, where you can do breath work, meditation, you can train your brain, you can know if you're actually here's the cool part. So you can do a quick five-minute session, and then if you will start looking at your um brain waves, and then it will tell you if you are in creative mode or logical mode. So sometimes I work so hard, my brain is just not gonna give me any more. I could be sitting there looking at my Excel sheet and nothing makes sense, but I'm spending an hour on it because I need to, right? So I'll take a quick five-minute break and I will do this thing, and then I'll come back and I can tell if I'm in creative mode. So I'll just go do something creative rather than just banging my head against the Excel sheet.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:59

So soon, yeah, that would be a really cool indicator for you to know what kind of mood your brain wants to work in today.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:08

So, like where I'm really surprised, but I guess the wave is coming. What I'm surprised is that, and don't get me wrong, I know these things help, but a lot of people go to therapy to talk and couples therapy, for example. What I'm surprised is that the the technology yet haven't caught up that when you go to therapy, you linked up with your brains, right? Because otherwise you always are just like discussing things around. If you can see your brains while you on a therapy, that would be so much more effective, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:44

And talk therapy literally makes you loop. Yeah, you just talk about it, it actually causes you to repeat the loop as opposed to like re like move past it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:54

Beyond a certain point.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:55

Yeah. Um it helps a lot if the therapist understands what kind of brain waves their patients. Yeah, I guess that would be the uh talk therapy is good, it helps, it works, but no, it has a limit.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:08

It has a limit, it really does. And uh sometimes it can be more harmful, I feel, because people get stuck in the same thing, intellectualization of everything and don't actually move forward. Exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:19

Well, our brain needs tools. It's it's just it's just not gonna you can talk until you're blue in the face, you can go into cold plunges until you're frozen, you can do as much yoga as you want and as much meditation as you want. You're not gonna become a monk.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:31

Yeah, I'm meditating all the time, and you're telling me this is my freaking brain.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:36

Yeah, take the expressway, hit a turbo button, get fresh, reset, continue. Look, you gotta do meditation, you gotta do something spiritual, you gotta keep your central nervous system calm. It all works, it helps. I do it, I love it. But we also need tools, we need technology to help. And it's safe, it's non-invasive, it's painless. There's absolutely nothing going inside.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:03

I have a final question for you before we move into a quick rapid fire round. And the question is because you mentioned your brain can find out whether it's in creative mode or you know it's in the task-oriented mode, execution mode. I wonder if you've ever tested and realized that your own um guess of where you are was wrong. Because I feel like in my when you are embodied, you pretty much know when you're feeling in flow and when you're feeling stressed. So I wonder if you sometimes we misjudge, or are you mostly you know and it you're validated.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:37

Oh so sometimes you you know when you just feel like you're just on.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:42

And then sometimes you're like, shit, what do I need? You just kind of start revving yourself up. I'm still learning, honestly. Um, I'm using these tools to kind of point me in the right direction. But immediately I can tell if I'm just not in the mood, my brain is not giving me, regardless of what I'm doing to it, I'll just let go, I'll just drop it and I'll go do what kind of fuels me, which is talking to people, talking about neurofeedback, talking about neuroscience, or just going to socialize because I feed off of people's energy.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:13

It gives you energy and the same, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:15

So I kind of just go and reboost the so as we probably guessed, it's all the stuff that we've been learning and we've been told, but now you just have like a confirmation with the brain waves right in front of you.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:29

And I I think I'm I'm so um personally, I'm so excited to to be back in Dubai. So when we can visit you again, yeah, I need to fix my visit us, get a hundred score because the idea that we can do 12 sessions over a month and really learn more and become more efficient and then apply it to our life, yeah, it it excites me because these are the things that unless you go through this, you don't really know, you don't have art.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:58

It's too new. It's too new.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:00

I'm curious to see how it affects day-to-day. Like, do I feel more alert? Do I feel well rested? Do I feel calm?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:06

Can you remind me which wave is which wave is is responsible for creating art, for example?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:13

It's a combination, but I'd say alpha. Alpha alpha is more on yeah, some good beta and some good alpha, you get creative. If theta is the fun one, that's the dream one, right? That's kind of like the manifestation, you're like deeper into your brain.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:33

It's kind of right before you fall asleep or right when you first wake up.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:36

4 a.m. is the strongest. That's when you meditate.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:42

Yeah, at 4 a.m. 4 a.m. It's because yeah, that's why they say before before dawn.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:47

You still have that in-between liminal state. All right. Are you ready for a wrap? Yeah, you wanna do it?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:54

No, you do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:55

Okay, cool. Ready? Some of these you've already answered, but we're gonna give a refresher, okay? Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:00

You answer in like what, 10 seconds?

SPEAKER_04 1:18:03

Yeah. You have like 600 seconds. Okay. When the brain scans are happening, can you read my specific thoughts? Do you know my passwords?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:12

Nope.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:12

Are you sure?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:13

Absolutely. We just see the way they're operating together. We don't see what they're thinking or what they're doing.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:20

Why is this brain gym needed in the world right now?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:24

You we work our bodies all the time. We work, we take care of our cars, our clothes, and our physical body. And we're leaving the most important part out, which is the brain, right? It's the most valuable asset. Fix the brain, everything will follow.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:38

Love it. Is this safe for kids?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:40

Very, yes. It's non-invasive, it's drug-free, it's science-backed and proven.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:48

Who benefits most from these scans?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:51

Ooh, everybody. Honestly speaking, everybody. Because you either get awareness and you know, or you train your brain and it self-regulates. It's more balanced. You're just you're just more balanced. So everybody needs it.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:08

Are you gonna sell my brain data on the black market to insurance companies, to my employer?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:14

Mark Zuckerberg. Maybe yours, because it's gonna be worth a lot of money. But no.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:19

You're really on my good side.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:21

I love it. No, no, no. This is this is this is very confidential.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:26

So, where does all the data go?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:27

And in our clouds, and we use CRMs and we use good tech companies where we store the the this information. The only time we would give it up is if we're required by law. That's about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:39

Okay, yeah. So, criminals, just anyone who's listening, you don't want to do this.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:43

Yeah, don't come see us.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:45

Is it possible to fool brain scans and pretend to be someone you're not?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:49

Nope. You cannot. Some people try to manipulate it. You can do some breath work and you can relax, so you can increase your alpha a little bit. Cool. No problem. But guess what? Your brain is your brain.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:00

What if I eat a full pack of walnuts before?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:03

No, it doesn't, no, it won't work. Now, if you are on drugs, we won't be able to, yeah. It will probably be way well, it depends what you're taking, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:13

Parasitimal.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:15

Adderall?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:17

When we get people with ADHD and they're medicated, we don't see that they have ADHD. Because their brain is that brainwave is regulated.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:25

Okay, I have a final question to close this. What is your message to the people who are feeling like they are struggling in life and would love to try this? How will you convince them to try?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:40

Um, the very first thing I would say is look into it, right? Get convinced. Uh, because the the technology and the results speak for themselves. And it's old, it's been around for a very long time. So it's already proven by top performance and athletes. But the idea is look into it and see what it is. So you can, when you're when you come, you're ready. It's halfway there. And then check it out. I mean, it's kind of like doing an x-ray on your chest or something. See what's happening, and then you decide.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:10

X-ray of your brain in a sense, but through waves.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:13

Yeah. It was fun. I enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:16

It was a bit like I was a bit nervous at first because you know, you kind of like wanna, it's a performance anxiety, clearly, as you can tell. But in the end, I I'm just glad that I have all this information.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:26

I'm just excited for the brain gym now. Yeah, exactly. You're gonna tune our minds.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:31

Yeah. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:34

Does this feel complete? Was there anything you wanted to talk about that we didn't touch?

SPEAKER_00 1:21:37

No, I think it was clear. I'm fully satisfied. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:41

This was cool on your first ever podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:43

Thank you so much. I will never forget this.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:47

Yeah, that's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:48

Me too. Wow. Yes, thank you so much.