Intuition Expert: Every Wrong Decision You've Ever Made Started With THIS!

What if the love, clarity, and peace you're searching for have been inside you all along? Sonia Choquette joins Sonya and Agon Love for a powerful conversation about intuition, self-trust, relationships, and what it really means to live in alignment with your authentic self. Together, they explore how intuition can guide your decisions in love, help you stop self-abandoning, and create deeper connection, fulfillment, and freedom in every area of life.

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SPEAKER_01 0:00

The world would be a much more fulfilled and better place if people trusted their intuition.

SPEAKER_00 0:06

I believe that what intuition is, is actually your core frequency, your core authentic frequency, your inner s your inner self guiding you. First to be in integrity with yourself, then in harmony with your environment, then creatively empowered in your decisions. And when when you don't trust your vibes, it'd be for me, it's the worst disability or or or compromise a person can live with. Because it's like walking into traffic at night in the dark against the grain. It's just survival, survival, survival, and fear. Whereas when you connect to your inner guidance system and turn it on, turn it back on, actually, because starts being, we start with it on, you see and experience energetically a more accurate picture, a more accurate understanding of your environment, your options, your choices, the true nature of things. So you are empowered instantly and you move into creativity instead of reactivity. And fear.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

It also feels like a foam of self-abandonment every time I have not followed my intuition. Because that voice is louder than we realize it is. Because it doesn't have that sound in our ears, but it is loud. It's something that you viscerally feel. Absolutely. And so whenever I've ignored it, that feeling of like, ah, I let myself down is quite strong.

SPEAKER_00 1:39

I call that microabandonment. We're culturally conditioned by the consciousness of the last 2,000 years that our authority system, our authority needs to be found from outside of ourselves. So in order to belong, when we're young and vulnerable, we were taught to microabandon. And and it creates an internal chaos, a combative scenario. So you you don't trust yourself, you don't know what to trust on outside of you, so it's constantly trying to be safe instead of to be empowered. And you're right about that feeling. We have a limit with language because we say it's an inner voice, but it's not actually a voice, it is a vibration that we give voice to. We language. It's coming out of ourselves that's saying, warning, warning, you know, you're drifting off of your coherence. You're drifting away from your integrity, which means to be whole. And so alarms go off that we we press. And now we're really challenged because, as you said, it is a frequency, but it's you're you're combating external frequencies.

SPEAKER_02 2:54

At the same time.

SPEAKER_00 2:54

At the same time, your own voices in your head, as well as the frequencies of what I call the field, all the energy coming at you. So it becomes challenging. And my mission in life has been to help you clear the noise, clear the field, and get back to your natural, empowered coherence and your inner guidance, your inner frequency.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

It's such an important yourself. Right.

SPEAKER_02 3:20

It's such an important mission. It really truly is such an important mission, especially in the day and age that we're living in, that's very hyper-masculine. And we feel like, especially women, I hear a lot of the women that I work with say, oh, I can't survive based off my intuition alone.

SPEAKER_00 3:38

Well, one of the misnomers is people think it's either logic or intuition. It's actually not. I wrote about that in my first book. Intuition works best off of informed foundation. But here's the key: accurate informed foundation. Get the accurate facts of a situation, not hearsay, not someone's opinion, not the news. But when you actually inform yourself of, okay, here's the situation, these are the inarguable facts. And then your intuition steps in and goes to the next octave. So it's not ego versus intuition, because that's been that's been the the general conversation in battle. In fact, I've heard for 50 years, well, I believe in science, I'm logical. Yeah. It's like, well, I believe in science too, but it's not a fixed thing. It keeps evolving, thank goodness. And it's now evolved to say we are we are multi-sensory or not just sixth sensory, we are multidimensional, not just literal. But when we begin to be accurately informed, our intuition takes off as the superior guidance. Now, Einstein said it best. He said, you know, your divine spirit, which is the voice of intuition, is our sacred gift and your rational mind the faithful servant. But sadly, we've thrown away the gift and we've become enslaved to the servant. I turn that into language you can remember. I say that your intuitive self is your divine spirit, and your rational mind is your barking dog pet.

SPEAKER_02 5:31

I love analogy. I really love it, and it's so true.

SPEAKER_01 5:35

It's dragging you on the leash.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

And it's if it's untrained. If it's untrained. So you get so some people I they people get it. Yeah. You can instantly recognize it's trying to run your life. So some are are barking chihuahuas, which are just scared and shaking, and some are aggressive German shepherds patrolling the border and barking to keep you back. And some, and then some are muts. I had this one client one time say, I'm a mutt. I'm trying to get, I'm trying to, he goes, I'm humping everybody, trying to get them to like me, like me, like me, which was hilarious. And then, and then of course, we have those who are going to say, Well, I'm not a barking dog at all. I'm a cat. And those are the people who need to be special and different. And but when you can laugh at it, then you can say, okay, that is not my highest self. That is my fearful to try to control myself by controlling others. And then I ask people, well, what is the name of your spirit? Name your spirit, the self that's not afraid, the inner self that does know that gets those feelings, that has that awareness. And you'll instantly feel different. So, Aegon, what is your what would your spirit's name be?

SPEAKER_01 6:55

I feel like the name changes based on how I feel in the moment.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

That would still be your ego.

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Right now I would call it in spiral.

SPEAKER_00 7:06

Okay. I like it. And here's why because it transcends the noise of the physical third dimension. It's the self that goes like up to the helicopter to see everything. So if you have a name, it's just a point in your consciousness to go to that pulls you out of the noise. Mine is bright light. I have a bright light. And when I need to get an accurate intuitive read on something, I I refer to bright light, which is that consciousness and spirit in me, that is neutral and aware and can can be non-reactive and feel the energy accurately. What about you, Sonia?

SPEAKER_02 7:45

Mine's soul shine.

SPEAKER_00 7:46

See, everybody has a name. And two things happen when you say the name, your eyes light up and you smile.

SPEAKER_05 7:55

Yeah!

SPEAKER_00 7:56

You can't help it.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

With such names.

SPEAKER_00 7:58

Yeah. You can't help it because you're accessing your divine nature that is empowered, is conscious, is creative, is not fearful, is quite capable of responding, and is connected. So you have a visceral biological shift.

SPEAKER_02 8:17

You lighten up. But something happened. As I said it, I think my barking dog came forth. Absolutely. Because I like I said soul shine. And when, as you were speaking about the name and you asked him, the name just dropped for me instantly. I haven't thought about this name until now. And then as I spoke it out loud, I felt the excitement, and then I also felt really soul shine? That is such a good point.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Really, that's what you came up with? Such a good point because your ego will jump in to try to stay in control. Name your ego, name your barking dog, and more fun. What kind of barking dog do you have?

SPEAKER_01 8:54

Can I ask you something on this note? Because I feel like what would make this episode a success for me personally is to talk to people who are a bit of past versions of me.

SPEAKER_05 9:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:12

I have over the past few years, I have realized, and Sonia greatly helped me with that, that I have unknowingly been following my intuition since pretty much 11 years old. I never understood the concept of what I'm doing, but something really deep was calling me to bring me where I am today in life. And I know that if for whatever reason I didn't align with the right things, I probably would not be here in the same way. And I know how beautiful of a life I live because I followed it. Now, majority of people in the world, when they hear conversation like this, I I find it so funny how you call it woo-woo workout. For example, the moment you use the woo-woo language, the idea of a spirit. When people say spirits, they think alcohol.

SPEAKER_00 10:10

Right. Depending on what country. Exactly. Poland, yes. UK.

SPEAKER_01 10:20

Exactly. What I would really wish is to bring our world in front of people who are living in misalignment with their energy and their actual life's potential. Because if it took a boy from a small Polish town to sit here with someone as accomplished as you, I had to follow that instinct and truly elevate higher. And thanks to that, I can say that I'm a happy person. How can we bring people who are greatly skeptical about the world of spirit and intuition?

SPEAKER_00 10:57

I love your question. And I'm going to back it up a little bit in saying I've been teaching in the field this awareness for 50 years. And a good 45 were in hostile conditions, the ones you speak about. So the first thing I want to acknowledge is that this conversation is a mirroring that the consciousness of the culture is changing, that what you speak to is actually going more and more into the rearview mirror. Secondly, culturally, we were controlled by having our patriarchal systems that disempowered us, and they've been in place for 2,000 years. With COVID, that promise of safety, should you follow your patriarchal dictation here, that you would be safe. And then with COVID, that collapsed. So that was the breakthrough for people recognizing that we're we're in uncharted territory across the board, top to bottom. How are we going to navigate? Forced us to turn our inner guidance system up naturally because our first instinct is survival. So there's been this spontaneous awakening globally to this inner self that you felt all along, that a lot of people had no reason to feel. They were an autopilot, their lives were dictated to for them, they were guaranteed. But when that collapsed, how am I going to survive? So that's one thing. The second thing is a lot of people who dismiss this as woo, woo, I say your very last century in terms of your scientific information. Current science does not argue that we have inner senses, that we have a conscious heart. Our gut knows. It's been on that front covers of magazines in Paris where I live, and they're very skeptical. Yeah. So the collective consciousness that a lot of people tend to fall apart and say this is woo-woo. They're working on an education of maybe 20, 30, 40 years ago that is no longer the case. We are not, science does not dispute intuitive knowing any longer. So I say you really need to get more current. You're a bit stuck in the last century and you want to catch up. Then we have an emotional resistance. When you look in your inner guidance and go with it, a lot of people don't want that responsibility because that involves courage. You were a very courageous soul to go with this. Now, where you were most courageous is that you lacked language and you lacked any sort of affirmation to go with it. Nobody talked about it. It was dismissed. You were, you were laughed at. I could assume. I certainly know I was. Yeah. Totally. So you have to overcome the first rule of how to live an empowered intuitive life is you can't live for approval any longer. You have to break from that. You did. And I even wrote in my book, Trust Your Vibes, a chapter on that. I call it Dance in the Fire. And the fire is the judgment and the dismissiveness. So if you're living for approval, know that you can say, Oh, that's woo-woo. I don't go for that. But what you're really saying is, I don't want to be that aware. I don't want to be that responsible. I don't want to be that informed or or uh empowered. I would rather make you wrong than take that, take on the responsibility that goes with what you call ultimately, and as you're living proof of, a charmed, gorgeous life. It can't you can't have collective approval and this incredible life at the same time. You have to pick your team. Now, what's so wonderful is because the world is in such chaotic mess right now, it's just the collision of the old with the new. And the only way to navigate forward that can give you some reassurance is to trust your vibes. Who are you going to trust? And how is I always say to people, well, how is it working out for you to surrender to if someone says, oh, well, that's crazy, okay, well, I'll go with what you say. I will deny my my inner guidance and I'll let you be in charge of me that tells me I'm woo-woo and I'm dismissive. Your life is certainly fabulous. So let me go with your life. Give me an example of someone who is so in their head and cut off from their inner guidance power that has a great life. Give me an example.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

I know people who are cut off from their intuition very much in their head, who have great lives but are miserable. See, great material lives. Great material lives, but are miserable. So there's no way to actually appreciate what they have.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

Here's the deal: when you're cut off from your intuition, you're cut off from being connected to your spirit, which cuts you off from being actually in relationship to anyone around you or the planet or any hierarchy, higher frequency. You are isolated.

SPEAKER_05 16:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

So you are in a state of addiction. You're trying to fill the void, so there's material pursuit. Actually, and I do think that the new addiction is manifestation because it is still trying for most people to fill a void that exists because they're connected, disconnected from themselves and others. So let me give you an example of that. I taught, I was invited to speak on the Mind Valley Stage, was a beautiful company that did beautiful workshops in LA in May. And it was packed. But as I was walking to the studio, because we stayed at a place I could just walk over, Rolls Royce's Bentleys, people that had dripping in material wealth and manifest manifestation, packed. And I said, you have manifested everything. What you're looking for isn't physical material. You're looking for yourself. And that is the manifestation that you still are under the impression and have been led to believe will come with wealth or prosperity or material goods or beauty or even a partner. The real void is to the self, the spirit within. And when you're connected to the spirit within, that hunger and that yearning and that anxiety that I need more and more and more relaxes. And that's real power and real success. And then you can create, but you're creating from a sense of joy, not a sense of emptiness. And you're connected versus racing and yearning, which keeps you in anxiety.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

I've definitely been there.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

Well, well, I would say I haven't, because I was always connected, but I've observed some of my clients are are world world at the top, top, top level of business success. Empty. That's how they find themselves to me. Come to me. I got it all. I own the island. I own the airplane. I own the company. I've been through several marriages. You know, I have I have the the portfolio. I'm empty. So that's the ultimate work of trusting your vibes is healing. It's not about where are my car keys in the parking space, although that's nice. It's about where am I and how am I in relationship to the world and am I connected and peaceful and and at ease in my place in the world? And that there's an order to things that I can relax with, that I don't have to manage it because we can't. I can just respond.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

Can you share with us? Because you have so many stories of transformation as you've worked for 50 years now, and you not only are an author, but you also work physically with people and you you teach people, you you truly are an inspiration. What I would love to hear is a story of a person that you have met who were not doing so well in life. They were not privileged, they were living in survival, maybe a single mother with four children who lives bill to bill and tries to survive, and it feels so distant for her to even seek that voice because what she needs to seek first is how to provide for her children. What happens to a of course that was your question because we connected.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

And that's my mom as well. So you know, I definitely I I see what you mean because we really want to be able to reach a diverse group of people. Right. Even the ones who don't have those Bentleys and Rolls Royces and are like, this is available to me too.

SPEAKER_00 20:03

Oh, absolutely. That was my point, is that you don't the material wealth is not going to fulfill the void. But the clients that have come to me throughout life, I and as I teach students who want to do the work I do, I say to them, we are in an emergency room. People who find their way, now this is changing, but over the years, people have found their way to seek my help. And I've always been the teacher, not just the the answer, because that doesn't fulfill me. I'll teach you to connect. I say, you've recognized they've they've eliminated all their other options. They went to their therapist, they went to their family, they went to the church, they went to the lawyer, they went to everyone, and they're still desperate. They're still scared. They're still not. So when they finally come to me, what they're doing is coming back to self, but they never knew that there was a self to come back to. And so my first, I so I've had asking me a story in particular is like asking me to pick out one fish in the sea because it's my whole sea of reality. But when I when I have, and that's why I have YouTube channels and teaching channels, it's for everybody, to say what you need to do is first pause, self-reflect, and get honest. And and do come back to stop looking for guidance outside of yourself. Stop thinking it's superior to the inner feelings and the guidance. Now, it's not we use language, we say feeling, but it's not emotion. It's experiential energy. If you just rub your hands together like this, you can feel your own energy. I love doing that. And when you do, this energy is the field that is coming from your heart and spirit. And it is guiding you. So I start by saying, where have you self-betrayed? Where have you said a yes instead of a no? And we won't judge why. It's all you knew to be safe, but let's just go back and recognize those moments in time. Where have you self-betrayed? I have a woman who said she was so lonely and couldn't find any love in her. And just I'm old, she was in her 70s. So I'm thinking of one she wants me to tell her story. She had raised her kids, she was a widow. She was in her 70s and she had three sons, and they wanted her to move into it into a retired living. And she said quite accurately, they're really pressuring me, but it's not for my safety, although they tell me. It's for them to not have to think about me. Accurate assessment. They didn't want to worry about me. They didn't want the distraction. I wanted to move to Sedona, which is this beautiful community in Arizona. It's a very conscious community. And they thought that that was insane and unsafe, but also I would not be under their control. So she said, What do I do? And I said, I'm not going to tell you what to do, but what does your heart say? What does your heart say? And she said, Every part in me says, if I go there, I will, I'm willing to take the risk. And that's part of what's required, as you know, having lived intuitively, versus being put in what I think is just a holding pin for death. And as I said, then go for it. Just go for it. Stand up to them and say, I'm going to do this. If I collapse, you can come get me and put me in the home. But I'm going for it. Her name was Billy. So she moved to Arizona and she rent, she purchased a mobile home, but a nice one, in a mobile home community. So she wasn't isolated, but not in an assisted living. She was healthy. She goes into a shop one day and she sees that they have a for sale asking for help sign. So she says, Can I work here? I don't even need to be paid. I just need something to do. And they sold crystals and cards and things that she loved, things of the spirit. So one day, this gentleman came in. He was in hiking clothes, an elderly man, and he said, looking around, and she said, Can I help you? And he said, Yes, you can, and just looked at her and smiled at her for a minute. And she said, I'm looking for a gift. Can you help me find a gift? And she said, Who's it for? And he said, Someone I didn't expect. But it's very such a beautiful energy. I want to acknowledge that. So she started showing him around and he'd say, That's okay, that's okay. Showed him this, the book. And he goes, No, it has to be even more dynamic. So she said, Well, I'll show you my favorite thing in this shop. And she showed him a crystal, pink crystal, um, heart-shaped. I believe it was either a pink quartz or a rhodocrosite, which is a deep pink. She goes, I love this. And he said, I think that's the gift. Thank you. She said, Will you wrap it, will you do you want it wrapped? He said, Yes, I want it wrapped. So she wrapped it up and she gave it to him and she said, Oh, whoever gets this is gonna feel so special. And he took it in his heart and he said, This is a risk, but it's for you. And he gave it to her and he said, You have the best energy, and I just can't walk away at my age and not acknowledge that. Well, she was so blown away, and she said, I think I came here to meet you. And so they created their relationship. Isn't that moving? It's very moving. And how the universe is so trying to give you what your logic brain refuses to even consider. Her sons are, you're you're almost 80. Who wants you? Go to the old folks and they'll take care of you and you're done. But her heart said no. So she had the best love this way. Isn't that the best? I love I can tell you 10,000 stories of that. But it took her willingness to resist the control and fear of those around her who probably did love her, but in a way that was not really seeing her in the moment as someone who still wanted life and connection and adventure and love. She wasn't, she's like, I'm not done yet. So Billy has since passed. That was a while, but I know her spirit came to tell us that story.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

And she left on such a beautiful note.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

Loved.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Love.

SPEAKER_00 26:35

Loved. Really, really, really loved romantically loved in a way she'd never felt earlier in life.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

Wow. And that's powerful because what a lot of women come and tell me is I can't trust my intuition when I'm dating. So I don't know whether I can trust that this man actually wants to commit to me potentially or whether he just wants to have sex with me. And that's this thing. But what I love about your story is that you talk about how this woman exercised following her heart, not just in the realm of dating, but it's a lifestyle, right? That she was practicing and exercising. And so it's a series of following your gut yeses.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

Moment to moment. It's like surfing. Think of your own lives and how you came together. We have these moments in time where the universe is constantly conspiring to move you into alignment with conversation right now. And when you finally stop fighting it and you consider that maybe these internal impulses are serving me. And they're not coming from some random wishful thinking, but they're my inner true self, and I will go with it. Maybe that actually will work out for me. But to your point, we do have to do two things. We have to quiet the quiet the noise and clear the field. So I thought maybe I would share some tools for that. Please. So that people could have the experience instead of believe us. I don't want anybody watching out thinking, oh, I wish that is not me. I'd rather pull anyone watching.

SPEAKER_01 28:14

I love that you do physical exercises in order to reach that point.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

They're very practical.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

And I I would love to do that. And just to comment on what you said because my my eyes watered up a bit. I have I have such a soft spot because I was raised by my grandma. And last year we said goodbye. I know that you also last year we had to say goodbye to our grandma and we did it together, and we spent months with her in her last moments.

SPEAKER_00 28:49

What a gift.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

It was a true gift, and and we just answered that call. We had plans in New Zealand, everything was planned, and the moment she started feeling worse, like, what if this is it? Yeah. We just took a flight and we spent the last months with her. And what you said there is so powerful because one of the most popular ways people negate their inner voice is by saying too late. Thank you. And it made me think of my grandma who I am so grateful for because I know that the only true thing that was in her alignment in her life was me. Yeah. When she adopted me, she had an entire world that was in misalignment. From who she was with energetically to the world she lived in, the life she decided to lead, and cut off that instinct, the instinct of what she should be following. But I was her alignment, and she poured she poured every little essence of love into me. And I know that where I am today is because of her.

SPEAKER_00 30:02

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

And you sharing that story resonated with me so much because if someone in their 70s can still leave this world loved instead of isolated, it's such a powerful testimony to anyone on the other side who maybe is in their 40s and they think it's too late. Maybe it's it's early 20s, but they thought they had to do this in their teens.

SPEAKER_00 30:25

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

It's so powerful to know that it's never too late. And I want to thank you for sharing this specific story.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

I feel like our grandmothers are here. Yeah, I definitely feel like we're all crying because they are holding, it's in the field. And I do want to say the third dimension, ego self, the physical body, the left brain, we're all trapped by time and sands of time that are running out and we can't keep up. But when you come to the spirit, you're timeless. And there is no late because there's no clock. There's just the present moment. And I believe that our grandmothers are coming, and every conversation I have is determined by this higher consciousness we share that we didn't even know. That even being trapped by time is an illusion. And we have to find within ourselves the the truth that says this fear will never soothe me. If I keep feeding, I call it feeding the bear. If I keep feeding the bear, I will never ever feed it enough. So I can't live with this threat that if I if I don't follow others, I'm going to be forgotten and I'm going to be deprived and I'm going to be unloved and I'm going to be poor. And it's a it's a kind of a menacing hum that keeps us trapped. And one by one, in conversations like this, we are starting to recognize, you know, truthfully, that if I really sit with it, I I can't I can't continue this and be in any sort of vibration that's attractive to anything. It's noisy. So in honor of our grandmothers and in honor of our our the love that we've experienced from that, let's let's go to two practical tools. The first I call empty the garbage. And the garbage is your fears. Because the truth is it's not fear that stops you, it's the human condition of the ego. But it's hiding fear that stops you. So if we simply acknowledge it, it's like out of the garbage, out of the garbage, out of the garbage, instead of hiding it, allows us to become more present and sensitive to energy. So which one of you wants to try? You can both. We'll do it with both of you. Okay. I want you both. There's a couple of things that are required to have an intuitive, a clear intuitive guidance. The first is you have to have a genuine availability to guidance. So I say, what is your area where you're seeking guidance? And are you genuine, genuinely available to an energetic informing that might not be comfortable to hear? Like, are you really available? You don't have to follow your guidance, but you're are you at least available to receive it? So that'd be my first question. I'm available.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

I'm available.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

So are you willing to share the area in which you might have a question or an uncertainty that you'd like some guidance? Just bring it on to consider. You want to share what yours might be, Sonia?

SPEAKER_02 33:47

I'm wondering how I should spend my 30th birthday to commemorate the end of my 20s. Okay. Perfect. And for you, Egon?

SPEAKER_01 33:57

I am seeking guidance on which area in my life should I focus on more? Is it art or trading?

SPEAKER_00 34:08

Okay. Now feel that. Are you genuinely available to input? Knowing, and this is very important, you do not have to follow it. See, that gets the ego to cooperate. If the ego says, Well, I don't know if I want to follow it, it'll start fighting. See, no, you don't have to. Just just consider it. Okay, I'm gonna ask you a question, and we gotta go quickly. Okay. Okay, so you we'll take turns back and forth. I'm afraid of Um doing the wrong thing.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

I'm afraid of interruptions.

SPEAKER_00 34:38

I'm afraid of Um not following my truth. And I'm afraid of failing. What are you looking at right now, right in front of you? Anything. A leaf. Okay. That brings you back to your body, back to the moment. What are you looking at?

SPEAKER_01 34:56

Your eyes.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Okay, take a breath. Release it with a sigh. Ah I'm afraid of looking less fun than I am.

SPEAKER_01 35:07

I'm afraid of becoming on the right path.

unknown 35:12

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:13

What are you looking at? Your eyes. Okay. What are you looking at? Right in front of you, eyes open. That's very important. Still your eyes. Okay. Take a breath. One more time.

SPEAKER_03 35:27

I'm afraid of looking at the fact that I don't have enough friends. Okay. I'm afraid of.

SPEAKER_01 35:34

Becoming too famous.

SPEAKER_03 35:36

I'm afraid of? Loneliness. I'm afraid of.

SPEAKER_04 35:42

What it will do to my personal life. I'm afraid of. Okay. I'm afraid of.

SPEAKER_01 35:53

Following my ego instead of my path.

SPEAKER_00 35:56

Okay. What are you looking at? Look at something right in front of you. The Oracle deck of cards. Just it is for the reason that it gets you out of that fear and back to the moment, back to your body. Smile. Let it go. Ah hand on heart.

SPEAKER_03 36:15

Quickly. My spirit says. My spirit says I should spend my birthday alone. My spirit says.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

My spirit says that I need more time.

SPEAKER_03 36:28

Sonia, does that feel true? Yes, it feels true.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

What's happening in your body? I feel light. Like I feel light and I feel like tingling around my arms and just overall body.

SPEAKER_00 36:42

I feel go to your head. What's in your head?

SPEAKER_02 36:46

My head feels a little bit afraid. Okay. But my body feels like that's right.

SPEAKER_03 36:54

Okay, there you go. Now for you, Egan. My spirit says again.

SPEAKER_01 37:01

My spirit says that I should accept what's happening and live in the moment. Okay. And be guided by what is happening in the momentum.

SPEAKER_00 37:11

Does that feel true? Yeah. What's happening in your body?

SPEAKER_01 37:16

A bit of a relief.

SPEAKER_00 37:17

Yeah. I feel the relief. That's my point. This isn't fishing in a fishbowl. You physically have evidence. When it is your spirit, when it is your true intuition, something physically opens up, the mind gets quiet. Doesn't necessarily stop, but it's listening. Yes. And you have you have this vibrational evidence. And now you have a choice. Now you have a choice. You can follow the fear or you can follow the message. That's that's a wonderful way. So you're not don't trust me, don't trust you. Try it. Yeah. I have mastered tools that will bring you back. So do you feel you got in touch with your inner guidance on this?

SPEAKER_02 38:03

I do. And it's actually interesting because we were talking about it. He my birthday's coming soon, and he's been like, what do you want to do? Tell me because I need to plan it, and it's coming really soon. And I feel like there's this all this pressure around it's your 30th birthday, and it needs to be this thing that you do with friends.

SPEAKER_00 38:18

And I just want to be alone. Everything that here's the other thing, and you can watch your own podcast after the fact, it's in your eyes. When it's your spirit, your eyes light, your face brightens. You can go back to your head, which is contract. There's a contract when you go back, but you can you feel it. Your your energy field changes. That was fun. See? Like it actually felt good. Doesn't it? Yeah. And it quiets, it quiets the confusion. So that's one tool. You can't get to your inner guidance with all that fear. It's all in the way. So we're not going to overcome it. We're just going to set it aside. I ask you to come back to the moment, back to the body, because then you're in present time and the body's the receiver, not up here in the head. People close their eyes and go away. And I said, no, no, you're back in the mind. The mind. Now the second tool is called clear the field. And this is we're noisy. Energy. It's bombarding. And this is a very practical tool. It's called create your room to breathe. Very easy. I want you to look at something. Again, always look at something in the moment. Find one thing that I suggest is beautiful. Okay. Because the ego always looks for the ugly, the threat, dark.

SPEAKER_02 39:36

That was so true.

SPEAKER_01 39:37

I was looking at your eyes, so I was I was in the right.

SPEAKER_02 39:40

That was the nice part. And then I looked at a rubric's cube.

SPEAKER_01 39:43

We we are we are 300% stronger because we're together. And that's a beautiful thing to realize.

SPEAKER_00 39:50

And that when you create a conscious energy, you will attract complementary energy to create harmony. Yeah. When you're unconscious, you create combative energy to wake you up. Wow. That makes so much sense. So if you're with someone who's con who you in you insist on having in your life or insists to be in your life, they're the teacher showing you where you're resisting your own inner knowing. And they'll keep com they'll keep mattering energetically until you finally get back to well, this is my true self. It's it's exhausting.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

It is. But it's also this very thing that you just talked about that helps me look at people in the past that I used to have so much like exes that I have so I had so much resentment for. And I'm like, no, but you taught me so much. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

And my barking dog can be resentful for a minute. She'll get over it. She'll get over it. Yeah. I think I think it's important that we don't hold ourselves to these idealistic standards because that's exhausting too. True, yes. We just say, well, that's just my barking dog. She she needs to go for a run. Spirit is grateful. Right. And it all it's all working out as long as I'm conscious. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 41:00

So ready for the exercise now.

SPEAKER_00 41:02

Now here's the next one. It's very simple, and it you can do this anywhere, including situations that are you're in a stressful situation and you need to come back to center. First thing is you look out and you notice one beautiful thing. Then I want you to breathe in through the nose, and and keep your eyes open, keep your shoulders down, keep your chest and breathe. Breathe in. Hold and pause. Decide you're going to empty. Pull the belly slowly to the spine and exhale like you're blowing out a candle. Empty, empty, empty. Pause. Breathe in again. Breathe in in. Receive and pause. Belly to the spine. Empty. And let your mind just like like it's opening its hands and belly to the spine. Release the empty. Using imagination, breathe from the feet up to the heart space. Pause. Breathe from the heart space up to the crown. Open your jaw at the crown like you're gonna yawn. You'll feel an opening inside in the ears and the throat, and then sigh like you're sliding into your heart. Ah. And when you land in your heart, smile. Smile. And see a light explode, pushing everything out.

SPEAKER_03 42:28

Go to the head. It's quiet.

SPEAKER_00 42:32

Now you can hear. Now you can receive energy. Now you can get back to what your inner self. It's not you cleared the field. So you can come back to self. Then say my heart says.

SPEAKER_01 42:45

It's so beautifully simple.

SPEAKER_02 42:47

Yeah, isn't it? Yes, and it's accessible. It's not this thing you need to go and do like a seven-day silent meditation retreat. I'm not saying that's bad. That's great. I just mean For those who have the time.

SPEAKER_00 42:57

And even then, you could be silent and in that retreat and bombarded by noise. Exactly. Now here's the thing. If you do this, it takes about maybe maximum two minutes, but it resets you to a higher frequency. You become available, you're able to receive, it's quiet, and you're, you're, you're calm. You've reset your nervous system because that sigh resets the vagus nerve. And I call it the everyone out of the pool. Ah, it just throws all the noise out. And you come back to center. It's practical. I if I give you, I can tell, I can tell you a thousand ways you could be intuitive. So well.

SPEAKER_01 43:38

We know it because you're the queen of intuition. Right.

SPEAKER_00 43:41

Well that you're the ego again. I'm not, that is not my motivation. There's so many channels now that are just communicating. You can do this, and this is a subconscious mind. And but unless I have a direct access experience, that's information that I call eggson Teflon. It'll slide off by tonight. It won't stick. It's actually. True. Exactly. And it keeps you trapped in the illusion of growth. I could have this, but I'm still worried about my kids and the traffic and my bellyache. And should I be gluten-free? And where should I invest my money? And where should I live? And and why can't I meditate? And that is just torture. This is ah quiet.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

I hope people on the other side exercised with us. Definitely.

SPEAKER_02 44:23

Please rewind and redo a keyboard.

SPEAKER_01 44:25

You know what I would compare it to? This is gonna be an interesting comparison, but it clicked in my mind. When we have a computer, we type on the keyboard. And when you use the computer for a bit too long and you haven't cleaned the keyboard, dirt starts building up.

SPEAKER_00 44:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 44:45

This doesn't mean you cannot use the keyboard. Right. But every now and then, as you sit and look at the monitor, your thought goes into the dirt. Oh, maybe I should clean it. But then you ah, I don't need to do it yet. Until you like, okay, I have a moment, you clean the keyboard and you put your fingers again and you feel, oh, I'm only looking forward. I don't think about it at all.

SPEAKER_00 45:05

I'm not distracted. It's not occupying. And there are minor distractions that your conscious mind is not registering, but it is taking away your attention. Yes. One of my favorite definitions of intuition is to pay attention to subtle energy. So this is the pay attention, these are the pay attention tools that you can actually start to pay attention, register what you're actually experiencing energetically and give it importance. Then you can make a decision.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

I actually have a question for you and wonder if you have a practical tool for people. I have found myself in situations where I was in a group and I could feel like either a decision had to be made. And so for me, I've learned that I usually, when a decision has to be made in that moment, I typically step out, then I make my decision, and then I come back in because I get very carried away quite quickly with people.

SPEAKER_00 46:10

The dominant vibration will pull you in and cause you, especially if you're genuinely, you tend to be empathic, sensitive, aware of the whole. Yes. You can be pulled off of yourself. So so smart. Just use your left and right foot.

SPEAKER_02 46:27

Yeah. Walk away. That's been my that's been what I've come up with. However, there have been situations where, you know, it wasn't the easiest thing to do. And people are talking, maybe, and and I need to feel into whether something or someone is right or wrong. I have a toll for you. That's the question.

SPEAKER_00 46:47

Okay. We take the energy in and get pulled here because this is where we make our decisions. This is our center of self. That's why I have you sigh all the way down. This is your throne. This is where the spirit sits. This is the spirit in the heart. This is your throne, your support. So when you're in a group, there's two things to be aware of. When you start feeling the collective frequency pulling, and like, let's all go party, or let's all go skitty dip, or let's keep let's keep going to the next bar, let's just keep going when you're full. What you want to do is that empty, just privately, while you're listening to the enthusiasm of the group, the collective herd consciousness. I want you to check your breath because you're going to lose power because you're going to stop breathing. You'll only breathe here. Breathe into the belly. And then open the jaw. They say, What are you doing? So I'm listening. I'm listening, but what you're really doing is emptying the energy. If it's really strong, just cross your arms. You don't have to look subtle. You can just kind of and then turn your body slightly away from the dominant force. There's always going to be one. Yes, there is always one. You just turn yourself and just say, and then have I have a sentence to say, I'd love to, but my spirit can't do that right now. My spirit went home. I have to go with my spirit. People I love that. People are like, okay, I've never had anybody try to stop me. I say, my spirit left. I gotta go. I didn't know that. I'd love to stay, because I'm very, I'm an introvert. I can, I love people, but I get saturated. I get flooded. That's something to be aware of. Are you flooded? Are you overwhelmed? Are you beginning to go kind of just go along? So if you say I'd love to, but no, my spirit is not up for that. My spirit went, home, I gotta follow. People are really I love this.

SPEAKER_02 48:46

I want to try it. People want to try it to see something.

SPEAKER_00 48:49

You know what? I've done it a thousand times. I always say, oh, oh, okay. It's like, I love you guys, gotta go. And then I do go.

SPEAKER_02 48:59

I love it so much because their moments will come home after a meeting with someone. I'm like, we should have left for me like an hour before we actually did.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

And you know what? That is when you sit so energetically drained. Something is happening. So when that happens, uh, you know what? I'm having, I've been, my I've been having a good time, except now my spirit left. And I just have no choice but to go with it. So we're good. Thank you very much. Love you. Bye. And that is, it works, but you have to be self-loving, self-committed, and have a sense of humor. Yeah, it's actually funny. It's very funny. I have used this, this is my this is my self self-protect and self-love decision. Because to self-love is know when you're saturated, know when it's drifting, and you're not trapped because you have to be nice. You can be polite, you can be pleasant, and you can go. Cut the cord, tell the truth. My spirit did leave. My the rest of me sitting here getting super drained, but my spirit isn't participating anymore. So there's no point in us carrying on. Gotta go and be that person. Yeah, I feel like it gives people.

SPEAKER_02 50:25

Yeah. Yeah. Because I think we have in our minds that image of a person that leaves early or says the thing and says no. Or says no, you know, or or disrupts the balance in the room as someone that must be impolite. Well but it's not true.

SPEAKER_00 50:41

It's not true. Plus, I think that's spiritual bullying. It is. I think that that is just a higher, more softly packaged in input to abandon yourself. And I think that it's far more self-loving and truthful. And people respect the truth. They sense that your spirit left. We don't talk about that, but there's a part of all of us that can tell the energy shifted. Yes. So it's no blame. It's a no-blame exit. It's like this happened. My spirit got full. I just did that. I was at a conference with my publisher in Phoenix, and they had an author's dinner. These are lovely people, all there to teach. And I'm talking with them, and my spirit left. It's like, I gotta go to bed. That's the truth. I I gotta go. I love you. I'm not here anymore. I gotta go with where my spirit is because that's the truth. Everyone says, okay. And then a couple said, you know what? Mine left too. I'm gonna go too. And then it gives everybody permission. Permission. Because we can't caretaking other people's emotions is not honoring yourself and it's not respecting others. So you can you can leave with grace.

SPEAKER_01 51:58

Can I ask you about love?

SPEAKER_00 52:00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 52:01

Because one of the main reasons why we started desirable is because we have no doubt that love saved us.

unknown 52:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 52:09

Love saves the world.

SPEAKER_01 52:11

Truly, it truly is transcending and building and empowering. So you have so many experiences with other people, and I'm sure they come to you often saying, Why did I make the same mistake over and over again? Why do you think people don't follow their intuition when it comes to love? When it comes to the partner they choose, the date they end up in, the situation emotionally they end up in, even though they feel that God feeling, they still go against it.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

Well, again, I think that that is a complex question. And there's there's an answer that whatever you're in is serving a purpose, even if it's it's an unpleasant, combative, your soul is learning. So our relationships, which we call love, are often soul school, soul growth school. So we are in difficult classes, and some of us are in perpetual summer school and we just can't get out of there. But eventually we are confusing that love is an experience that someone else will complete me. Someone else will help me love the parts of me that feel unloved and do the job for me. And that's when we start getting addictive, codependent, and we cut, we go back to childhood patterns, and we eventually learn it's a brutal school. But pretty much everybody goes through it. And it's a different vibration than love. Recall the different relationships you've had versus the one when you met each other.

SPEAKER_05 53:56

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:57

Love that is the frequency, the shared heart frequency, is gonna lift you up, but it also gives you the power to lift someone else up. And it's not one or the other. We both get lifted. We are we are creating a frequency that empowers us both. And it's a different vibration. There is a choice here for the ego. Am I going to surrender control and trust this? You had to experience that. I'm sure after the euphoria, it's like, wow, this is really good. Am I going to trust? I'm going to let that grow. It probably would have was subtle, but but it was there. There was a moment you chose to lean into this different experience. I truly don't believe you would have been capable had you not been through all those other relationships that were your school of preparation for being genuinely available. So I don't think any relationship is not worthwhile, even though most of them are really awful experiences. Okay. So we have to look at, and I say to people, a relationship is not that person. It's what you're doing with that person. It's the expectations you're bringing in with that person. So when you're working on relationships, don't think of the other, think of what you've done differently. For example, what would you say you both did differently as a result of the previous relationships when you met each other? You related differently. There you go.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:43

You made a choice. Yeah. That you weren't going to be in self-protection and fear and control and make sure I'm safe. There's something about that choice had, and that's what I want people to understand. That any relationship is available to you. In fact, I I have a fun story. I was just in Kansas City with my sister, who is who has, she's 10 years older. Her husband died, and she's now living alone. She's been married since she was 20. It's a big deal.

SPEAKER_02 56:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:18

And she said, I'm lonely, even though I have people around me, I'm lonely. And I don't know what I'm lonely for. And I said, okay, let's empty the garbage. And she said, just companionship. I don't really want a relationship because I have five grandchildren I take care of and shuttle around. They're all in their middle school, high school. I'm busy. I don't have time to take on that, but I just want someone to go have dinner with. And so I said, Well, are you able to open the door for that, even though your imagination can't figure it out? Just are you available to that? And she said, Well, you're helping me become available. And I said, Okay, well, I'll do it with you. I'll be available with you. And I left yesterday at like 4:30 in the morning. At noon, she wrote me and she said, You know, Sonia, one of my clients called. He and his wife said that they love me so much they want to have a standing weekly dinner date with me, and all we do is laugh. She said, So you brought this in. And I said, It's the beginning. There's going to be many you can relate to. This is people are available. It's are you available energetically to being open? Happens like that because the vibration matched. And so I think relationships should not be thought of, oh, can I go find that fish in the sea? It's am I available to relating in a way that's that's mutually happy?

SPEAKER_01 57:52

So let me ask you. There are many people who live in relationships that deep inside they know they're not meant to be.

SPEAKER_00 58:04

I agree with that, and yet I think there's a nuance to that.

SPEAKER_01 58:08

So can I can I Yes, finish? I would want to know, because I have been through a relationship like this that lasted for seven years, and I knew after six months it's not meant to be. So you close your eyes, you open them, and it's sometimes 20 years later, and you have kids outside. And you stay in or 50. How does a person distinguish that inner voice between I must leave? This is not the place where I should be anymore because this relationship is not for me, and I live in misalignment, versus I don't want to give up too soon because this relationship makes me grow.

SPEAKER_00 58:48

That is exactly the nuance I wanted to point out. It's the experience you're having versus the person you're with. So that's a distinction to make. Yeah. This relationship that I'm engaging in, I am participating in an experience. What is motivating that experience? Guilt, habit for a lot of women, security for a lot of men, convenience. Then I don't have to bother being present, being available. Uh the reason I stay in is I don't want the work of growth. Growth is disruptive. Think about when you're going to plant a seed. You got to dig up the dirt and it's messy. So people elect to live in an in a compromised way, pardon me, in a compromised way because they don't want the work, the self-reflection, and the honesty and the fallout of saying this isn't working for me. So they keep trying to build and build and and the world will then tell you, oh, don't, don't leave. It's, you know, it's you. You need to work on yourself. There's a lot of what I call spiritual baloney, where you're guilt tripping, but just with a spiritual spin. Yeah. And you you negotiate, but I don't think anybody is staying in something that they are not consciously willfully agreeing to. You stayed seven years for probably a myriad of reasons. You want to start over. I I know I have a client who's 38, and she said, I just got engaged to someone. I'm 38. I don't want to start over. It's too much work. He's good enough. He's he's he's okay. Maybe I'm being too idealistic. And I said, okay. And here's the truth: do you feel like yourself 100% or not? It's not that you have problems that you don't work out. It's are you being you 100% or are you adapting to keep the system in place? Because if you're adapting, it'll wear you out. If you're being you, you can fight till the cows come home, but you'll stay in it and be excited. It's not about do you get along? It's about am I being as much authentically me as possible? I feel it. And if you compromise that, you are definitely making a conscious decision. And it will, it will wear you out. It will. It will wear you out until eventually. Right now, the baby boomer demographic is the highest divorce rate there is. They call it the grade divorce. It's like, well, okay, gave you a good 55 years. I'm out. And I was married for 30 years, and I'd say a good 20, I knew. I didn't know it was wrong. I knew that this was temporary, and that I was learning things. I knew it was temporary. I said it was temporary. But I also knew that there were certain, certain things I needed to learn. And one of them was that it was okay to take care of myself. I was a middle child of seven, Catholic, raised Catholic. Your job is to take care of everybody, was my indoctrination. So I had an everybody to take care of, but I made a conscious choice that I would stay in the marriage. And the way I negotiated that is I said, I'm going to go do my work. I will be mostly gone. We will have this arrangement, but I'm my spirit left. So just know that. And if you haven't noticed, that's all the more reason that we must separate because my spirit's not here. So I just tell people, be honest. And then know you have a choice. Am I in or out? But don't be a victim. Yes. Don't be unconscious. Be real. And it works that way. It works best when you're real. I don't know anybody in an unconscious, unhappy relationship where everybody doesn't know what's going on. They're just settling for it. Pretending at best. Right. I just think that the Wild West is now where all those rules are blowing apart, and everybody is going to start finding the force to make it right. That's why all chaos is in the moment happening. There's this huge energetic explosion of people saying, I don't want to do this anymore. And then there's a messy process. We got to try things. You can't. This is one thing I tell people a lot. Intuition doesn't prevent you from the learning curve. It's not a lot of people think, well, my intuition is going to prevent me from being in the mess and prevent me from having the vulnerability and protect me, keep me from being real. It's just going to catapult me to the good outcome. And that's not accurate. Intuition is going to walk you into the mess and say, I got you. Stay in this. This is good. Find the fire, find your truth, find your integrity, find your force, because that is your joy, too. So, and if you think about your lives, intuition didn't pres prevent any messiness, but it gave you the courage and it gave you the interest to say, bring it on, because the outcome's worth it.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:20

Such a wake-up call. Mm-hmm. Isn't it fun? I love how you explained this because it feels like you empty so much garbage when you remove misalignment from your life.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:33

Right. I find it unbearable. Yes. I do not know how people can live out of alignment. To me, it's like nails on the chalkboard at the highest pitch screeching volume in terms of giving it a description. I find it unbearable. It gets that for me too. Energetically, to live out of alignment for even a moment. Yeah, for me, it's not a moment, but like I'd say a month tops, and I'm like, I cannot. I don't think I can do 10 minutes. In fact, I was laughing with my daughter yesterday because the the the feedback to someone whose inner compass is working so in such a high level of perception. The feedback from the world is you're too much. You're too, you're too sensitive. You're too. Yeah. Oh gosh, yeah. So what I my daughters and I said yesterday, I'm gonna get a t-shirt that says, I am too much. And I love it.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:29

Oh my god, I need that.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:31

I really need to be salvage. Be prepared. It's actually true. I am that person. Let the truth set you free. Yes. Be prepared. So, one of the other things I wanted to talk about because I want to give people tools. Yes, I don't want to give. I was actually going to ask you a tool as well. So I'm going to give you another tool. Those are tools to clear the garbage, clear the field. But sometimes when you just can't get out of your own way, that's when fun external. Tools are useful, like my Oracle decks or anybody's Oracle decks. But I love the Oracle deck. Carl Jung was the one who talked about the vibrational match. So the Oracle that you pick is going to resonate with the true intention for inquiry. So it's not random. Nothing's random. I have another good story about that. But so when you work with an Oracle, it's going to match the level of availability. So I want to tell you a quick story before we use the oracles. A group of women I worked with in Chicago.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:35

I love you.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:38

I get so excited. I love this. Now I have two Sonia.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:42

I know, and I'm like, oh my God, she's just so cute.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:46

I had this group of women, University of Chicago business uh graduates, very educated, really intellectual, high-powered lawyers, corporate division, you know, executives. But one of them got married, and so they had this shower, and one of them was my client. So she gave, as a shower gift, my Oracle deck called Ask Your Guides. And it was sort of the goofy gift, the fun, but we're like smart, educated, it left-brain intellectual women. So it was a fun gag gift, or so she thought. So laugh, laugh, laugh. She took the she took the deck with her. She was a lawyer. And she put the deck, she said, for whatever reasons, I took it to work. I didn't throw it away. I didn't ignore it. I actually held on to it, which was her, that's your inner self's truth. So out of the blue, within a couple of weeks, she gets an email from someone she knew in high school saying, Hey, I haven't met, we haven't talked, but they were good friends. Haven't checked in, but you know, just out of the blue, I'm just calling because I really know you've done well in the world and I could use a good job recommendation. Could you give me a job recommendation? Now, mind you, this was a good friend. So her instinct was, of course. So she's going to, of course, on the computer, and she paused and she said, for whatever reasons, I pulled that deck out, and I shuffled the cards and pulled a card about what's this about. And the card I pulled was deceit, which shocked me. So then I Googled and did some research, and he had been in prison for for white-collar crime and just got out, which he failed to say. And so that card pointed out something that was in the field, but not in my face. And so saved her own reputation for just blatantly singing the praises of someone who maybe needed to be scrutinized a little bit more. So that's an example of how an oracle can be useful. Shall we? Yes. Okay. So this particular Oracle deck is about how to rewire back to self. Trust your vibes, not to your guides, but to your higher self. So we're going to pull a card for each of you. And again, Do I pass it to you?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:11

Um, you can reach it? Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:14

This is this is the deck. And I and it's very simple. And the messages from the higher self, the way you can tell it's a message from your higher self versus your ego is it's very few words. Ego likes to talk, the dogs like to bark. Okay. So that's another way you can tell.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:31

We're gonna be using this phrase. My dog is barking.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:34

My dog is barking.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:35

For two people that do have dogs that are barking. Oh, yeah. We know them. And you know what you do? Turn on the music and dance. That's called take your dog for a run. Move the energy. Okay. So when you work with an oracle, I like to shuffle like this, and and I'll have you do it because you're using your hands connected to your heart. So just shuffle and bring to mind, you can do a couple of things. You can say, What's the most important thing to focus on now? That way you're not, I you're not you might just want a generic direction. So that could be a question, or if there is something you want more input, then say it. The issue is not what should I do. That's an ego-oriented pose. The way you pose a question is what should I do? This the the the issue is, or the the the inquiry is, and then what it what input comes from my higher self. So hey I'm gonna pick a big one. So what's your what's your inquiry or issue? My my issue is I'm afraid of being a mom. Okay, I knew you were gonna say that.

unknown 1:10:40

Really?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:40

I did. Anyway, just shuffle, and this will your guidance from the higher self will say what is appropriate right now to bring you and back to peace. Okay?

unknown 1:10:51

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:52

So I just pick one, right? Yeah, just pick one and don't be too mental about it. Yeah.

unknown 1:10:58

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:59

So flip it over. What do you see? Oh my god.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:03

Embrace the adventure. Ah my goodness. Perfect.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:09

That's crazy. I guess we got our work to do. Adventurous. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:15

I will say it is the best adventure. Any soul that would come to you knows what they're signing up for. Okay, so there you go. Isn't that great? And did you feel that whoosh through your body? Mm-hmm. Okay, you can put it back in. And for you, now, England, what's your what's your question?

SPEAKER_01 1:11:34

Or your query? Uh my inquiry is if I'm just on the right path.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:40

Okay. Now, for me for now, that's the question. Because the path changes. Yeah. I really feel that these adjustments really help stay out of the head.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:52

And we have our moon resonate with the moon. Okay. Protect your spirit.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:59

Interesting. That goes now. Tell me how you interpret that. Because I have my own, but I'd love to see how you do.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:05

I think i if I was to read this, I would say that it's about me not following my ego, but w what my inner calling is telling me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:16

And that you might be facing lots of temptations.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:18

Oh, yeah, I have a lot of temptations.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:20

You really are facing did you feel the whoosh?

SPEAKER_01 1:12:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:24

There's a whoosh. And then you get a choice. Yeah. That's a choice. That's not a mandate. It's a choice. And you and I think it's so important with intuition to always let the ego sit right there. And you're not pushing. I say, don't shoot the dog. You're training the dog, okay? It's trying to protect you, but just like I'm gonna present a choice. Ah. So do you want to hear a fun story? Yes. About how organized the universe is. It's my favorite. And the reason I tell this story is because my life fell apart. It was a decade ago. My first my brother died out of the blue, my older brother. He died in his sleep. And then six weeks later, my father, who was never in any way sick in my life, had an aneurysm and was gone. Then I'd been married. In this marriage that was, I was, we both knew was not w working smoothly because I had my path. I basically said to my husband, it was the first time in my marriage that I'd actually been really vulnerable with two deaths back to back. And he wasn't, he had no container to be that support for me. So he left. Instead of stepping in, he stepped out. So it was like a bowling ball. Dad, brother, husband gone like this, that I was not prepared for. So I asked for guidance and I got the guidance to walk the Camino de Santiago, which is this Camino pilgrimage 857 kilometers across Spain. And I only hiked to the grocery store. I was living in Chicago, but yes, okay, I'm going to. And I knew that it was going to be important, but I took my childhood toy. I had this little toy called Gumby. My childhood toy. And I put it on my backpack and I put Gumby here. And that was going to be my, I was doing this for my healing, my inner child. So I'm walking along. And at one point, it was very difficult. I actually wrote a book about it called Walking Home. But at one point it was straight up a mountain. And I thought, okay, I am not going to torture myself up this mountain. I'm going to ride a horse. Well, I've never rode a horse in my life. I get on the horse. The horse gets spooked by a dog halfway up, takes off. We're, I'm like holding on for dear life, and Gumby pitched out, and I lost Gumby. Wow. Oh my. My childhood toy. And I was so devastated because I had had this toy for over 50 years. So I thought, okay, maybe the message is that I have to grow up, take care of myself. And so Buen Camino Gumby. You know, that was the same buen Camino, have a good way. And I left Gumby. So I went back, finished the thing, wrote the book, wrote about Gumby, had a picture of Gumby in the book. So that book is published, goes around the world. A woman reads this book in New Zealand five years later. So she gets inspired to walk the Camino. So she walks the Camino and she gets to this place. She's gonna walk up. She walks up and it's hard. It's called Osobreros. She walks and she gets tired. So she sits down, puts her backpack down, just sits and takes a breath, looks over. There's Gumby. Found Gumby. Five years later. It was mine. It's one thing to find Gumby, but she knew it's Gumby. My Gumby.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:02

And I that's insane. Five years.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:06

Gumby. You brought Gumbi. They found it, mailed it back to me. Who would is that just the beautiful, most beautiful story of the universe being completely in order? Yes. Like five years.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:26

Five years later.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:26

Five years it didn't get up and and and but new was mine. Didn't just find a cute toy. Yeah. New to call me, wrote my office and mail Gumby back. So I just want you to know the universe is so happy to bring you every miracle, restore every part of you. Be, but that is not an intellectual faculty. That is a heart energy that you have to follow, and it takes courage. You have to dance in the fire. But the rewards are better than you can imagine. Your lives better than you can imagine. You couldn't have imagined what is unfolding for you. It's better. That's the reward. But you don't get it without the commitment. And it's messy.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:20

It's so significant that the horse that ran up was scared by the barking dog.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:29

Isn't that part of the story? And you got that. And divine humor. Divine humor because the horse is power. And the barking dog is fearful control. And Gumby was my inner child who blew the pop stand and was gone. So I just laugh and laugh at how fun life is. It is an adventure when you live from this divine frequency that we all possess. And it's a breath away, as I showed you. It's beautiful. It's a breath away.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:06

Wow. You have like when you lean into such a life, you really live such a magical life. You do. It's there are so many stories that you shared with us today, and all of them are just the kind of stories that you don't hear off. And they sound like you can't take it up. It's like a once-in-a-lifetime type thing, and you've got, here's my tons.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:28

There's a point in life when you can no longer use the word coincidence.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:31

Yes, exactly. I don't believe in coincidence. Um, and Gumbi is my my evidence that there is a brilliant, and I use the word elegant orchestration and choreography to frequency, constantly working to get your attention and bring you back to a beautiful life.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:52

Must Gambi your mystery item?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:54

Yes. Gambi was my mystery item.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:57

You are our first guest that revealed the mystery item so smoothly connecting to the world.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:05

We need to take a photo at the end with the mystery item.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:07

What an item with so much life story, and also it's so interesting how you can write a book, and this is the traveled. This is the journey that it took to find its way home.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:24

And it what to me it was also symbolic of our journey. We get pitched out in the field and we come back. You know, the universe will rescue and bring us back home. We just weren't given that information. And it's my mission and has been to give you that information.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:47

And you've been doing it so powerfully.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:49

Yeah. I am fearless because I have faced every obstacle.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:54

What I would love your take on is we spent lately it's it's becoming more of a popular word to speak about the differences between feminine and masculine. And I think it's a common knowledge to assume that women are naturally better at following their intuition. Could you please tell us why women are better and how men can become better at following their intuition?

SPEAKER_00 1:20:19

I love your question. And I even want to create a course for men. Men as boys were cut off from their emotions and shamed for feeling emotion. They were shoved into their heads, they were told to be uh in you know, non-emotional, non-needy. And so they were not, they were cut off from feeling. And with that is feeling vibration. It's not just feeling emotion, but also feeling vibration, and risk intuition is a receiving faculty, and they're taught only to control and give and do and be warriors and go out and conquer and don't need and don't ask and be hard. And it's such a such a tremendous violation to men to have been just so harnessed in such an untenable, unlivable scenario within themselves. So fortunately, there are beautiful teachers like Gabramati who are communicating that this is this is a tragedy, this is abuse at the highest level. And to re-educate men that to feel is not weakness, to have emotion is not is not shameful. And then I take it to the next level and to differentiate between emotion feeling and energetic sensing. Because we use the same word for both and it's confusing because they sense something, but they use the word feel. Well, I don't want to feel, I've been shamed to feel. So they I find men are just as intuitive, but they have shame around it because it they perceive it as emotional vulnerability. I see that. So we need to unravel the knot and teach them to first get in touch with your emotions and let them flow, energy in motion, and then recognize I am receiving information. Now, the great men of the world did do that. I won't say great in terms of character, but I will say great in terms of creation, like Steve Jobs. His character was, well, wonder, you know, is up for grabs. Yeah. But he picked up energy. Yes. And he did not perceive it as weakness. He took it as power. And Mark Zuckerberg, who created Facebook, he picked up this what we call the zeitgeist. That let's connect people in a way that that is convenient. That was a feeling. Facebook was based on a feeling of connection without effort and without vulnerability. So it was kind of a genius because men could then connect without revealing anything. So I do have to acknowledge there's genius even in our insanity. So for men, first, if you block emotion, you're not in your body, so you can't be intuitive very much. You have to be in your body, so you have to get clear the garbage, the emotion, energy and motion, it's their messengers, and then start perceiving what you're feeling, which is your superpower. Your grandmother protected that. She didn't give you those, that, that, that mandate to live from your head up like a soldier without any and a stiff body that has no invincibility. You didn't get that memo. It's conditioning. But if you just undo that conditioning a little, intuition turns on naturally, you're hardwired. You just can't connect it to vulnerability, emotion, shame, which is where men, but successful men don't. Just one more thing I want to say about that. In business, okay, this is where men really are focused. They're they want to produce. In business, the leaders, the leaders, the decision makers will be uh 85% inclined to trust their intuition. The managers don't. They're just working from fear and managing. But if you want to be a leader, you can't be a business leader of any of any significance if you don't trust your intuition. And if you and business leaders, Harvard Business Review interviewed business leaders. 80% said the reason they are successful leaders is because they trust their intuition, but they also said they keep it secret. Isn't that interesting? Of course, men would. Now it's changing. Yes. It is changing. It is.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:09

So we're in a changing world.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:13

Yeah, we are changing quickly, even in a year. With these kind of messages, we can flip the script and people can start reclaiming their power.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:23

As you speak about changing, I wonder how can I connect with my spirit guides? And is it available to everyone?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:32

Absolutely. If you understand what they are, you are a spirit. If you consider yourself an ego in a body, it's like being on an AM radio, you can't connect a satellite. But if you recognize yourself as a spirit in a body, having a human experience temporarily, but not contained to the third dimension, then your spirit connections make sense. I'm a spirit embodied. I can connect to a spirit support system that's not physically embodied. My ancestors, my angels, my light beings, my teachers. We're all having, there's too many collective experiences and reporting of this. In every religion, there's angels in every painting, in every doctrine, in every one of their doctrines, and in every painting, in every religion, you have the halo of so many, whether it's Buddha or Christ or Walkantonka, there's the energy field. So if you vibrate and identify with your energy field, then you have a natural conversation with your guides. It's like being on a telephone. We talked, you're in Singapore, I'm in Paris, but we were connecting on a frequency that connected us. We didn't give it a second thought. When you connect with your guides the same way, then they're there too. And that is a matter of just what kind of guides do I want? What kind of guides do you want? Your guides are like your helpers. You don't, you don't just say anybody come help. If it's a plumbing problem, you call the plumbing guides. If it's a travel problem, you call the travel guides. Ooh, okay. If if if it's a if it's a health problem, you call the healers. If it's a if it's a moving through the world as we know mads do, you call your angels because they keep you on your path. Definitely the angels and the healers. Yeah, you call your healers and angels. And what they'll do is orchestrate you into connections where you have that, you know, that synchronicity, things open up. So you say thank you, thank you, thank you. If it's healing, you're gonna your guides will throw a book in your face, or have you listened to a podcast, or you end up in a conversation, or you happen to read an article. That always happens. That's how they're working with you. So you say thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:56

You're connecting. We felt it on uh We've definitely both we've both individually felt um that before, but it's actually our wedding story because on the day of our wedding, the two of us decided we would get married and have a ceremony together just by the two of us and no one else. And we were not alone.

unknown 1:28:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:22

We were grandmother for one. Grandmother. We felt we felt presence was the presence of our guides, of grandma. Like it was so visceral, and we looked at each other, and we, as we made this soul pact and did something that we'd actually never done before, because you know, it's our wedding. Yeah. We just felt the energy of the room, and we it was just undeniable. We looked at each other.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:48

I have been ever more spiritually present than in that moment.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:52

You were not in the you were in the fifth dimension. We were exactly you were vibrating in the fifth dimension.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:58

We were not here.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:58

Yes, you weren't.

SPEAKER_02 1:28:59

And and I and we didn't know when we decided, because we decided not to, not too much before our wedding, we decided that we wanted to do it on our own. And I didn't know it yet why that came to me.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:13

So I would change the language. You were guided.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:15

I was guided. Now I know I was guided. Yes. And that day, feeling the thing that we felt that no one else is ever going to understand besides the two. But I can feel it with you. It's putting goosebumps through my body.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:28

It's so memorable.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:29

That's that's it was just the most special way of two souls coming together.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:34

Here's the thing: as two souls traveling through the through the world as messengers, that vibration is still with you. Oh, yeah. I feel it. You're broadcasting that vibration to the field. So even if you're not saying something, just your being in this frequency, following this path, people are lifted up because that's how we all we do affect one another. It's called the ripple effect.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:01

So that's one of my favorite elements of stories like this and following that heart is that we are knowingly already l live the future. Yes. So us even deciding to create a podcast that's meant to help people believe in love, that it's healing and it's powerful. We didn't even know yet we're gonna have this type of a wedding and this type of a life together. That that's gonna be part of the.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:37

I love words, and I like to find the right words for what we're explaining. This is elegance. It is vibrational elegance that your intellect and ego can't create. It can't be this elegant.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:52

Can you imagine we got married the way we planned to get married and not had that ceremony in the morning?

SPEAKER_01 1:30:57

No, it would be so different.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:59

Yes. Yeah. And it it is inspirational, which means it calls the spirit back in people. Your inspiration is. We want to share it. Yeah. Even by being just being you is sharing it. Then you do these conversations, people get it's not just the conversation, it's the transmission. Yes. It's it's resonating with people and they're starting to calibrate with it. You're we're bringing people up, and then they have their own experience. It's powerful and it's fun.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:33

It is fun. And it feels really nice. I think for those of us that have any kind of feeling of loneliness at times, this this knowledge feels liberating and healing. It's like I'm actually never alone. And it's true. I actually am never, maybe physically, but I'm never unsupported.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:55

Especially with guides. Yeah. Never alone. In fact, I have quite a lot of company. And the other thing I just want to say is that let's change the idea that in love means finding a person who's going to give me something. Yeah. And instead think of it as a frequency that I step into. Yes. And I swim in and I live in. That's that's love. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:19

The person you want to love.

unknown 1:32:20

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:32:20

We found one other when we were not looking. And that's the that was also one of the differences between our relationship versus the relationships we had prior to. Right, right.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:30

They were kind of just forced upon us in a way.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:32

Yeah, just kind of I call those school. Soul school. Yeah, soul school. And if it's long, very long, I call it summer school. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:42

Do you do you still have is your spirit here still available for one more question?

SPEAKER_00 1:32:47

Absolutely. Amazing. Oh, lovely.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:49

That's amazing. I want to ask you something uh a bit personal of your life's journey. Okay. We definitely found in our life, and we start feeling it more and more, that a big part of our answer to things was love. Yes. Love unified us and it will keep on giving for our lifetime and growing us. You are probably one of the most intuitive people in the whole world. And that's a superpower. Yeah. You have discovered it already at 12 years old, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:25

You became Well, I grew up in it, but I discovered it 12 years old. I needed to teach this.

SPEAKER_01 1:33:30

Exactly. So that was the power you have been given. And such power can be used in many ways. This power can benefit a lot of self-servitude. Through your life's journey of doing this for so many years, has your answer been that your biggest alignment is to live for others and share this with others? Why did you choose this path instead of something that you could literally do anything with this power? You could place it in any place and benefit from it. But that's what you chose. Why was that your choice?

SPEAKER_00 1:34:13

It wasn't an ego-conscious choice. I knew from the earliest age that this was the purpose of my life, and I was determined to stay the course, even though I was challenged viciously. You know, the world has changed, the atmosphere has changed, but I've been called sick, woo-woo, satanic, mental, you know, attacked, chased out of places. You know, I have had I call it, there's a Native American term called snake medicine. And it means when you're bitten so many times, you become immune. And I just knew, and I I have to live with myself, that I've never, my joy is to empower you. My joy is to empower you. My joy is to liberate you. I do believe on a soul level, I have I have been doing this for lifetimes. I have never questioned, I've never had the moment to question what I should be when I grow up. I've never questioned, should I abandon this? I've never questioned that will my message get into the world. I never even asked, looked for a book agent. It came to me. I just have always been, and that is my blessing. And in appreciation for my blessing, mine is not what I call work, it's a devotion. And I am devoted through love to humanity, finding their divine and beautiful nature. It's a devotion that has never wavered, ever. And it has been very much tested. And it just keeps getting bigger and stronger and and more joyful. I am fearless. Whatever, bring it on, whatever challenge, whoever wants to dismiss me, I will stand toe-to-toe with you in love, not in righteousness, and vibrate love because the the the self that I am telling you to connect with is your unconditionally loving divine spirit that is connected to everything. And it to me, it's the only way our planet will heal. It's the only way. With only the ego brain, the divisiveness will grow. And it's only when we come back to spirit and know that our spirit is our is our guiding force, and our spirit is holy, our spirit is divine, and it is not disconnected from love. It is love embodied. So that's that's my answer. Thank you. Well, it's I am honored and grateful to have yet another opportunity to share this message.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:56

The honor is ours.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:58

Well, I'm very grateful. It's one of those conversations that will take with us forever. A yay. And enjoy the adventure and protect your spirit and keep it simple. Yes, exactly. And dance, yeah, take your dogs for a run when it gets difficult.

SPEAKER_02 1:37:14

Life can get really fast and hectic. So your tools are just really accessible. You don't even need five minutes.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:22

Right. I do know I am not about to be, I am very practical. I'm not gonna about to tell anybody what they should do. I'm only here to tell you what you can do to stay faithful to yourself.

SPEAKER_01 1:37:32

That's my does this feel complete? Yes. Yes? Beautiful. Thank you. Thank you so much.