Across the Whoniverse: A Doctor Who Marathon Podcast
A Doctor Who marathon podcast hosted by Chels & Paige
Across the Whoniverse: A Doctor Who Marathon Podcast
S01E06 "Dalek" w/ Gavin Mevius
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Time Lords! This week, we kidnap returning companion Gavin Mevius of The Mixed Reviews and The Q Division podcasts as we travel into the far future of 2012.
The Doctor and Rose follow a distress signal to a ruthless billionaire's underground bunker museum and discover its only living artifact is the Doctor's greatest enemy, a Dalek.
We discuss Rose's limitless compassion, how this episode was adapted from the Sixth Doctor Big Finish audio Jubilee, and the parallels of the Doctor's rage and the Daleks genetically engineered inhumanity, and how maybe they aren't so different. Plus, Gavin talks about lime-wiring the show in 2005 and Paige considers crocheting Ptings and Daleks out of drag for Chels.
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Welcome to Across the Whooniverse, a Doctor Who Marathon podcast. I'm your friendly neighborhood Time Lord Chelsea. I'm your Muppet of a Time Lord Page. And we have kidnapped one of our favorite companions again, Gavin. Welcome.
SPEAKER_01Oh my goodness. Have you guys changed the lighting scheme? Is that what is that what's happening inside the Stardust?
SPEAKER_03Whole new console, baby. Oh wow. Upgrades.
SPEAKER_01You didn't even have to regenerate for that.
SPEAKER_03Not this time. So, Gavin, we already know your hoostery, everyone. Go listen to that episode. But since you're returning, we got a new question for you. Why don't you list a few of your favorite companions across the series? And luckily, there are no wrong answers.
SPEAKER_01I know the last time I was on, I said that I started prior to the reboot or prior to the 2005 restart of the series. Uh, but a lot of my favorite companions are current era companions. And my, I know it's not uh it's it's kind of a controversial take, but I love Martha Jones. I love Free Management, and I love that after Rose, they gave him such a confident, uh, competent character, which is not to say that Rose is not confident or competent, but just in a different direction and somebody who I really felt could match wits with the doctor. And yes, I did hate the love story. I did hate that she was like lovey dovey when it came to the doctor, that they thought the audiences needed that, but everything outside of that, like I genuinely love Martha.
SPEAKER_02To be fair, she had chemistry with everyone in the galaxy, exactly.
SPEAKER_03Everyone in the galaxy flirted with her, yeah. Every single person. We saw Shakespeare and Andrew Garfield flirting with her.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
SPEAKER_01How could you not? It's how truly, how could you not?
SPEAKER_03And is she underrated? Are a certain section of fans just kind of racist that we have learned?
SPEAKER_02I was gonna say it shouldn't be controversial to say that you love Martha because she's a great character, she's great, she got me hooked on the show.
SPEAKER_01Uh, I will also say, like, obviously, um, and and I feel like it's it's kind of uh cheating to say Sarah Jane Smith because but I do love Sarah Jane Smith and I love her originals. Yeah, exactly. And the fact that she lasted so long as one of the original companions, and then if we are going back, I I do want to give a shout out to Tegan. I did like Teegan, who is in the original series, but it's having a moment in meme culture right now. Yeah, what what is going on? Why? Like, I mean, nothing.
SPEAKER_03I want to say it came from like some Canadian meme or something. I could be totally wrong, but I just one day everybody was using this clip of her just like shaking around in the TARDIS as a meme. That's interesting, and I love that. I love that she returns and she's spicy.
SPEAKER_01Uh she was a flight attendant, baby. You know, she didn't know how to travel. She did not yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03That is me. I don't want to do things. And then Gavin, at the top of the show, not everybody finishes episodes. We know this is podcasters. Why don't you promote your social medias and your other podcasts?
SPEAKER_01Oh, wait, thank you. Uh well, I co-host a movie podcast called The Mixed Reviews that I've been doing for about eight years with my good friend Louis Rendone. And I also co-host a podcast with the amazing co-host of this podcast, Chels, called the Q Division, which is a James Bond movie marathon rewatch podcast. And you can find either of those um on at the mixed reviews on Blue Sky and Instagram and the Q Division on at the Q Division on Instagram or Blue Sky.
SPEAKER_03Everyone go listen. You will see that I have stolen percent of the format for this show from the Q Division because I do none of the work over there. Not at all, not even a little. And that's what Gavin his gift to me is just letting me gab about and gossip.
SPEAKER_01It is not stealing if I left that safe unlocked, Chels. I will say that. That's true.
SPEAKER_03Although I will say the Q Division did lead to one of my funniest personal moments in Doctor Who, where I started watching James Bond movies and then I started re-watching the series, and then I was like texting Gavin, wait a minute, is Spyfall James Bond?
SPEAKER_01The sad thing is you know you knew about Skyfall, you knew about the song it won the Academy Award.
SPEAKER_03I like taught film and television classes, y'all. And I did not put those two things together because James Bond was my biggest blind spot, and now I am the number one Roger Moore stan.
SPEAKER_00Exactly. That's my head of the Roger Moore fan club.
SPEAKER_03Should have worn my shirt, but no. Here we are. We are here to talk about series one, episode six, Dalek. It is written by Robert Sherman and is loosely based on his big finish audio, Jubilee, starring the sixth doctor and Evelyn Smith. Smythe? Who knows? Smythe. Smythe. See, I don't do names or words. It was directed by Joe Aaron Arne. Sorry, Joe. And it originally aired on the 30th of April 2005. It features the ninth Doctor, Rose Tyler, Henry Van Staten, Diana Goddard, and Adam Mitchell. And we are going far, far, far into the future, underground, into the vault in 2012.
SPEAKER_02Guys, did you know that 2012 was 14 years ago? God damn, why would you do that to me, Paige?
SPEAKER_01Well, time to go feed myself to the Morlocks.
SPEAKER_02It's time. It's time to put on the retinol.
SPEAKER_03So much retinol over here. I am 100% retinol and exhaustion.
SPEAKER_01Moisturize me.
SPEAKER_03I love her. And then from the TARDIS fandom, here is our synopsis. The Ninth Doctor and Rose Tyler arrive in 2012 to answer a distress signal and meet a collector of alien artifacts who has one living specimen. However, the doctor is horrified to find out that the creature is a member of a race he thought was destroyed, a Dalek. Now, before we dive in, Gavin, you I think this was the first episode you begged to be on. You were like, I would love to be on this episode. And I'm like, you're down, baby.
SPEAKER_01Very much like I said, in The Unquiet Dead, I was uh a crazy person who was like a new Doctor Who series I must download. And if you said April 5th, 20 2005, I would have been like speeding towards uh graduation or not graduation, but uh the year before graduation. So speeding towards my summer break in college and still downloading lime wiring episodes from England to watch.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah. How many computer viruses did you have? I've asked this enough times.
SPEAKER_01So many. Um, and it wasn't just from Doctor Who. And uh the but yes, so I remember watching this episode and The Unquiet Dead, I think I said kind of was the the first episode that that really showed me that the the show was serious, but it it still had a silly quality to it, and I remember seeing this and being like, oh, this is like real drama episode. This is Christopher Eccleston like going for that award, and not that you do things for awards, but like just his performance is so so amazing. And counterpoint to that, I really think Billy Piper is giving a lot in this episode too. Oh, yeah. Uh especially because she actually has to do a lot of acting with the Dalek too, which is I think a difficult thing to pull off when you're staring at kind of a giant can. Yeah, exactly. A giant trash can with a plunger on it. Um, but yeah, so I I remember watching this in my dorm room on my computer and just being kind of blown away by how serious this new Doctor Who was willing to get.
SPEAKER_03Paige, what was like your impression of like this episode, either back when you first watched it or more recently?
SPEAKER_02I don't remember when I first watched it, but I'm old now, that's what happens. I put on that retinal. Um, I do know that I haven't seen this in like well over a decade. So when I rewatched, I had forgotten how serious this episode gets, and just how much, like you said, Gavin, the acting is just top-notch. That was my like top note for this episode is that everyone's just like really given it. And like you said, with um Rose and the Dalek, that would not be easy to act opposite of, because it's just a machine. Not even a machine, whatever they have their own set.
SPEAKER_03Oh, yeah. This is like very you're acting opposite, either an object or like CG and stuff. This is the time when people were learning how to act opposite things on green screen, and we know how that worked out. Those early 2000s, mid-2000 movie action movies were wild for that. But I agree with everything being said because in my serialized review that I just put up, Rose having empathy for hate incarnate and holding up a mirror to the doctor. That's my girl. Billy Piper is truly the secret sauce of the early revival and doesn't get enough credit for this first series. Cause I just feel like this the Ninth Doctor and Eccleston, he does such a fantastic job. And it's like it feels like a new flavor of the Doctor that we weren't always expecting, like from a reboot. But then Billy Piper just coming in and being an empathy machine throughout is kind of why I think the show works in this early version, because we are seeing most things through her eyes.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I mean that's one of the brilliant things about the companion is the companion gets to be the the sort of magnifying glass that the audience gets to, you know, that they're the stand-in for the audience because the doctor himself is so unknowable. And I think it's really interesting too. You brought up the fact that, you know, this was based off of a big finish audio um uh episode or or four four episodes. You sent it to me.
SPEAKER_03It's like a four-part big finish audio, and I did listen to all of it yesterday, and it is loose- It's long, it's long, it was like two and a half hours. So I really committed to doing homework for this, and it is like very loosely adapted because it is a sixth doctor adventure, and I think he, the writer of that audio and this episode, it's the same guy. He took all of the best ideas from that and like emotional moments, and then applied it to this new series because the plot is completely different. Yeah, like in the Sixth Doctor one, there's like a weird time rift where 1903 and 2023 are closing in on each other, and it's this weird president of England thing, and it you get this like lonely Dalek who's been a prisoner for a hundred years, and they've been torturing it, and he's just been alone. And so that's where you get a lot of these ideas, but also the companion, Evelyn Smythe, I think she specifically for this really influences a lot of Rose's empathy going to because she sees this creature, and yes, like the character in the audio has experience with these hate machines, but she's like, You're being tortured for a hundred years by these evil humans, and they call out the human race in this one for just like continually repeating horrible genocides. And I do think that's important to note that like Daleks have been genetically engineered to be hate machines. What's the human's excuse? That's like the point of the audio. And honestly, I mean, kind of the point of this episode as well.
SPEAKER_02It sounds like they took those ideas from the big finish audio and really pared it down to like what was the heart of it. And that is the like humanity part of it, and like nature versus nurture and programming and all that stuff. Oh, yeah. And it would have been way too much to have all the like um back and forth like time stuff that was in the big finish audio.
SPEAKER_03So it's good that they made it like a simplized they brought an Elon Musk thing instead of making it like a president of type thing, which is what they did. And some of the other dialogue and like the misogyny in the audio is wild. Yeah. Like there's some weird shit in there.
SPEAKER_01Like women have to go to bed by midnight and whatnot.
SPEAKER_03They have to get their beauty sleep. Women aren't smart.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. The uh I I agree with everything you're saying. The and and I think that's just the nature of old Doctor Who versus New Doctor Who, where you you had multiple elements to be able to do a story arc in like four or five episodes, and Doctor Who is very episodic in terms of like you have 40 to 50 minutes to do one story unless it's a two-parter. Uh and and I the thing about Evelyn Smythe, too, is I think you're right. I think they did a good job grafting that empathy onto Rose because Evelyn Smythe is such a different character. Because not only has she had experience with Daleks, but she is um a person into history. I I think she does something in terms of archaeology or um uh anthropology, and uh and she also is older, and and so she has more like yeah, she's in like her mid-50s and she's like a teacher. I think it's just easy to forget that Rose is like 18, and so um she has an innocence to her that I think also helps uh in terms of what's happening in this episode with the Dalek.
SPEAKER_03Exactly, and like she's bringing that empathy we've seen throughout every episode at this point.
SPEAKER_01I think the other interesting thing in comparing it to the audiobook, too, not to like belabor the point about the audiobook, is also like you mentioned, sixth doctor Colin Baker. Colin Baker, one of the most controversial doctors because he's very persnickety, very arrogant, rude. And it's interesting to see Eccleston's take on the doctor having to actually deal with those parts of his personality as well, because he does actually have some very kind of like snarky and like smug reactions to things in this episode, which is not to say that he hasn't had them yet, uh, in in this take of the doctor, especially, but like especially coming off of the last two episodes, which were very comedy-based, silly, and to have it uh go into this sort of dark, serious place and also have it be a little rude is such an interesting uh position to put the doctor. It's kind of great that this episode comes in the middle of the first series, because at that point you feel like you have a good grasp of who the doctor is, and yet Eccleston is still willing to surprise you with some of the places he takes that dialogue.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. Because I think oh, I always love talking about the six doctor with people because controversially I love him, and maybe it's because the actor is like a teddy bear, but like exactly.
SPEAKER_01And I do I do hope people like people hopefully separate characters from from actors because Colin Baker is actually very, very sweet. But growing up, I was the opposite because I love I genuinely loved Peter Davidson so much. Uh when I when I because that he was my first doctor, and that change was super jarring for Colin Baker for me. And but I think that also helped me get into the idea that like that's the great thing about Doctor Who is it's not the same thing over and over again. It it is different, it can change.
SPEAKER_03And it's probably because at heart I am a little bit of an asshole. Y'all know I love to shit talk, so that's the sixth doctor energy in me. But it's like that aspect of the doctor's personality that is in every single doctor, but it was just too much on the forefront. And I don't think the writing always served him, even though I think he did a good job with what he was given. Also, he's a great social media follow. Everyone go follow his blue sky account.
SPEAKER_01I don't think I even knew he had one.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, he's on there, and he is a delight. He's on the right side of her story. But why don't we just dive into this plot? Because again, we went from farting aliens in the last episode, which is my niece's favorite, because you know she's like eight, to maybe one of the most lovely episodes of this whole series. To the plot of Dalek. The Doctor and Rose follow Distress Signal to an underground bunker in Utah 2012, about half a mile underground. And as they get out of the TARDIS, they wander into an alien museum spotting bits of meteorite, the milometer from the Roswell spaceship, a stuffed slatine arm, and the head of a Cyberman. The museum alarm goes off and guards storm in and hold the Doctor and Rose at gunpoint. Rose tells him, if someone's collecting aliens, that makes you exhibit a smash to credits. Okay, first question though. If you are going to an alien museum, what Doctor Who thing would you like to see there?
SPEAKER_01Oh, that's tough. I mean, I guess besides the doctor's hand.
SPEAKER_03Hell yeah.
SPEAKER_00Love a good pop.
SPEAKER_03Any little guy.
SPEAKER_02Just any little guy.
SPEAKER_03I want to puting so bad, y'all. Like, Paige, if you could crochet me one, I would legit hate you.
SPEAKER_02You know. I'll think about it.
SPEAKER_01One of the little adipos.
SPEAKER_03Yes, I love them.
SPEAKER_02I would want to see Donna's wedding dress. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Obviously. Oh, um, uh um Astra is that Kylie Minogue's character's name? Astrid, her maid uniform from the Starship Titanic.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yes. I love just a whole costume tour.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_03So what you're saying is we're going to a fashion museum. Yes.
SPEAKER_04Correct.
SPEAKER_03We are. Back from credits, we return to billionaire birthday boy Henry Van Staten doing his best West Wing walk and talk down the vault with his assistants, guards, and advisors following him. His assistant passes along birthday wishes from the president, and Van Staten says, The president is 10 points down and he wants him replaced. When the assistant says that's not a wise idea, Van Staten fires him and orders his memory wiped and to drop him off on the side of the road in a city that begins with M. So this is our Elon Musk of the episode.
SPEAKER_01Did you read the thing about the fact that he was originally based on Bill Gates, which I think is really funny because I this is not a defense of Bill Gates because he's also said some stupid shit over the years, but the uh like the those personalities feel so different, but I guess like they were even going as far as when when they were first um choosing names, it was something like William Fences or something like that.
SPEAKER_03Uh it's like billionaire bad, they were onto something a lot earlier than others.
SPEAKER_00Correct.
SPEAKER_03All right, after that assistance skedaddled and memory wipe, Diana Goddard is promoted immediately, and Van Staten asks if the new president should be Republican or Democrat, and she immediately responds, Democrat. But when he asks I know when she asked when he asks why, she momentarily hesitates but replies, they're so funny, sir. Our billionaire tells Diana that he likes her. But I personally choose to believe Diana is an ally to progressive causes. I mean, maybe.
SPEAKER_01Maybe she does I think by I think by the end of the episode, she she ends up being kind of uh I don't I don't know. The her last bit in the episode, which we'll get to, like leaves me with a bit of a mixed message. By the way, if it's 2012, is is the Democrat that she replaced the Republican with Barack Obama.
SPEAKER_03There we go. What a herstery. They never would have predicted this. No. We're also introduced to English kid, aka researcher Adam Mitchell, and I completely forgot he is introduced in this episode. I forget about him a lot. Forgettable, so so forgettable. Sorry to this.
SPEAKER_01I felt so bad because I Googled him because I was like, he's so cute, and then I was like, oh, this actor is trash. He was like convicted of sexual assault twice.
SPEAKER_03And what is it with all the sex pests in series one of this show?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, a lot of trash men. I I will say I because I do believe in um in rehabilitation, I hope that he got the help that he clearly, clearly needed, uh, because this happened in like 2017. Uh, but also I hope that his victims got got you know the support that they needed too, because I think people oftentimes forget victims in those situations.
SPEAKER_03100%. Van Staten barks orders and has Goddard tell Simmons that he wants to visit his little pet. We cut to Simmons torturing a creature with a drill and telling Goddard it's not speaking. We then cut to Adam Mitchell showing Van Staten his new artifacts from the auction as Doctor and Rose are brought into the office. I will say the editing in this is weird. It feels like they cut out maybe a scene or even half a scene, because I'm like, where'd they come from?
SPEAKER_01Right. There's j they're just there. And this this is like clearly a very rich. A very powerful man. We just watched him tell guards to erase someone's brain, and the fact that Rose and the Doctor are just there, like nobody's saying anything.
SPEAKER_03But I do love that like the doctor immediately corrects Adam on whatever the artifact is and shows him that it's a musical instrument and that it's delicate. You look funny holding that thing, my dude. And then Van Staten asks who the doctor is and how they got into their bunker 53 floors down. I mean, casual. I can do that without a TARDIS, I feel like. The doctor and Rose ask who Mr. Van Staten is, and that billionaire don't like that. And Adam tells him he owns the internet, and Rose calls them stupid because nobody can own the internet. I love Rose. The doctor calls him out as an expert on everything except the items in his museum. Rose calls out their testosterone battle in that moment, and the doctor tells Van Staten to show him his living specimen in the cage near where they landed. Van Staten tells Adam to watch Rose while he shows the doctor his pet. I do love that Rose is just clocking toxic masculinity everywhere she's going. She's like, oh, I get a babysitter? Sure.
SPEAKER_02She doesn't entertain like anyone's nonsense. Exactly.
SPEAKER_04That's why I love her. Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_01And just a quick shout out to Eccleston's performance during the uh the music scene where the musical instrument, because I think it's a good contrast into what we're about to see, because he is so gentle and kind of like he's filled with that wonder of like, oh no, if you just play it like this, like he's so happy to be showing somebody something and like maybe it helping them experience cultural exchange, which is not what these people are here for.
SPEAKER_03No, billionaires don't care about that. They want to just take over everything. And then the doctor is taken to the cage and is put into a room with Metaltron and told to wear gloves as the last guy who touched Metaltron burst into flames. Van Staten orders them to not open the door until they get a result. Dun dun. The door closes. The doctor is not wearing them gloves, but he tells the creature in the dark room that he's come to help. And then we get the reveal of a lifetime because it's a chained up Dalek and it starts shouting, exterminate. I'm sorry. Classic. Classic. I mean, it's the episode's called Dalek, so you have to have a great reveal. I feel like he is not going to be lip syncing for his life.
SPEAKER_01It's it's funny too, because I guess they had a hard time with Terry Nation's estate, like getting even the um rights to use the Daleks again, because Terry Nation's estate had felt that they had like over-merchandized essentially the Daleks, which is funny because the original audio drama deals with that concept of like the merchandising of fascism by like taking something that is fascist and making it like sanding down the edges and making it sort of popular.
SPEAKER_03So I think it's really patriotism, too.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. It's funny how that works.
SPEAKER_03Yes, and I do love that like in the UK, if you create something for a TV show, you own the rights to it. That's why they weren't allowed to use the Ronnie up until the shooty seasons because the estate was like, nah, nope, not doing that. So I like that people have to do that.
SPEAKER_01I wonder what that must be like, Marvel, anyways.
SPEAKER_03Isn't that nice? So nice. But yes, a chained up Dalek is revealed and shouts exterminate, and that he's an enemy of the Dalek's, and the doctor must be destroyed. The doctor shouts for them to let him out, but realizes the Dalek's gun is disabled and that he's powerless. Dun dun. This is also something that happens in the audio as well. Because they've been torturing that guy for a hundred years. The doctor starts circling the Dalek, telling it that it's nothing and pointless, like what's going on, you can't do anything, just full on taunting him. The doctor asks what he's there for, and the Dalek says he's a soldier and was bred to take orders and is waiting for its new orders. I mean, we see that a lot happen as well. It's also in the audio.
SPEAKER_01A lot a lot of people just following orders out there. Boo.
SPEAKER_03Ooh. The doctor shouts at the Dalek, it's never going to get orders, and that all the Daleks burned and the whole race was wiped out. Not only did he watch it happen, but he made it happen. The Dalek breaks the doctor, though, when it asks, You destroyed us? The doctor says he had no choice, and when the Dalek asks about the Time Lords, he says they burned with the Daleks and everyone was lost in the last great time war. The Dalek reads him though and says, And the coward survived.
SPEAKER_01It was crazy to watch the Dalek put on those glasses first to be like, Doctor, the coward survives. And the rest of the queens went, Ooh.
SPEAKER_02We need the shade button.
SPEAKER_01Yes, I have one, but it's in the other room.
SPEAKER_03Next time. The doctor continues to taunt the Dalek that he caught his distress signal and that nobody else is coming. But then we get this perfect exchange from the Dalek. I am alone in the universe. And the doctor's like, Yep. But then the Dalek's like, so are you. We are the same. That gets me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. That really gets me. This whole area, I mean, this is exactly what we're talking about about Chris Farkelston's performance where he like really, and I guess he he went and worked on this by himself and said he really wanted to um inject a lot of like essentially without being insensitive, what it would be like for a Holocaust survivor to confront a Nazi. Because the Daleks were originally based on Nazis because they are the fascist ideal. And you have to think about the fact that a lot of the writers working on Doctor Who, when it started in the 60s, were coming off of World War II, had experienced that and could not think of something as a greater evil than what they'd already been through. And so I I yeah, I think a lot of this works, but that moment too where he gets really smug is really the interesting part for me. The the exchange you just said, and when he's when he's like nobody else is coming, and then he and that's why I think it stings so much when the Daleks like actually then were the same.
SPEAKER_03And the doctor only gets worse because when he says that they're the same, the doctor goes full madman in a box and tells the Dalek he's going to get what he deserves and starts electrocuting the Dalek and torturing him just like all the other people there.
SPEAKER_01That and the one difference is his intent is is to kill. Like he's not interested. I mean, he he does not mind that the Dalek is suffering, but the suffering is just an after effect of like that he's he's ready to watch this Dalek die.
SPEAKER_02And that's startling because we don't often see the doctor actively trying to hurt anyone.
SPEAKER_01Exactly.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. But Van Staten stops the doctor and has him dragged out and demands the Dalek talk to him. But when the Dalek doesn't want to talk to him, he tells Simmons to make him talk and the torture resumes. Did you ever think you would feel bad for the Nazi allegory of this show?
SPEAKER_01No, but they I think they do a good job, and obviously, like we still got a bit to go in the but I think they do a good job of being like when something is this far down in its ideology, there there really isn't a lot of um rehabilitation for it. We'll get there, we'll get there. But yeah, I agree. Like I think I think you're as the audience are made to feel bad for it when you don't fully know the context, but it's coming.
SPEAKER_02Exactly. I was gonna say, like, if you were someone that just like started watching the show and you had no context as to what the Dalek was or what it was supposed to stand for, you'd just see a robot, right? Yeah, yeah, you just see a tiny hand. So you don't know.
SPEAKER_04We don't know yet.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. But then we cut to Rose and Adam in Adam's little workshop where he's showing off his artifacts and he's telling Rose that he thinks aliens are real and the universe is full of life. Rose is just like acting surprised, but also being like, Yeah, yeah, it could be. Who knows?
SPEAKER_01It's such a good like mansplaining scene where she's just like, uh-huh. Tell me more. Like, like, fuck you, guy.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. And I do love like Adam, he's like, I don't think we'll ever make it to space in my lifetime, but then he starts bragging about being a genius when he was a kid, like hacking the US defense system and almost causing World War III. Weird brag, my dude. This is your idea of flirting. But because Rose knows how to weaponize flirting, um, Adam keeps flirting with Rose and asks her, asks if her and the doctor are a thing. And Rose is like, we're just friends, but hey, why don't you patch me into the calm system? So let's look at this creature. I'm gonna flirt with you and use this energy to get what I want because women be smart. Adam says the alien is useless and doesn't do much. And as they start watching, she sees Simmons torture the Dalek and runs to look for the doctor to stop it. Ugh, Rose. You have you don't know what you just started, girl. We cut back to the doctor, Van Staten, and Goddard talking about the Dalek and how it's been on Earth for 50 years, moving from private auction to private auction. The doctor says it has to be destroyed because he's here now, and he explains to the new viewers of the show it's just a creature inside of a metal shell, and it was genetically engineered to remove any emotion except hate. It is there just to be killing, y'all. And he explains the time war a little bit, which is something that's been hinted at throughout the series up until this point, and that the doctor has a lot of PTSD from it. And he didn't survive the time war by choice, and he accidentally reveals that he's the last time lord. And Van Staten's like, You're the last of your kind, you say. I'm gonna take you prisoner, and we're also gonna like start slicing and dicing and lasering you. The doctor is strapped and up and tortured, but still tries to warn Van Staten that the Dalek will destroy the earth even as he is being shot with lasers. A rich man would do this.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yeah. I read somewhere that Julie Gardner basically asked for Eccleston to be shirtless in this scene because she felt everything had been a little too male up until this point in the script and wanted something for women.
SPEAKER_02That's so interesting.
SPEAKER_03I mean, it's for a certain subset of women and gay men, we will just say. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Well, I I it's so funny because he's I I love Eccleston. I think he's a cutie. I him shirtless doesn't do a ton for me. Uh he's fine.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Here's the thing somewhat some men wear clothes better. The ones that look better without clothes, usually there's not much happening up there.
SPEAKER_01Exactly. 100%.
SPEAKER_03Soap opera rules. Then we go back to Adam and he's taking Rose to the Dalek, and Rose asks if it's in pain, and she says she has a friend who can help. The Dalek tells her it's in pain, and they torture him even though they fear it. It asks if Rose fears it, and she says no, but she can help. The Dalek says it's dying, and when Rose offers to help, it says it welcomes death, but is glad that before it dies, it met a human who was not afraid. When Rose asks if there's anything she can do, it says its race is dead and it shall die alone. Rose is our empathy machine and touches the Dalek's casing, and the Dalek extrapolates genetic material from her and it starts to basically reconstruct, regenerate in its own way, and it breaks free. Good for her. The Dalek is the her in this moment.
SPEAKER_01Do you think the Dalek's playing her? I I feel like the Dalek must be because we've already been informed that the last person to touch it burst into flames. But I think this is a Dalek seizing on the opportunity that the doctor is there, like knows the doctor's there, is like everybody else is dead. I got one last chance to do this.
SPEAKER_03I'd say yes, because it can like sense fear and not and the fact that Rose is not afraid. Like they reference like very briefly that maybe the Dalek went insane because it came down from like a meteorite or something and it burned for several days. So maybe that jangled something in there. But I for sure think it's like using her.
SPEAKER_02I think there's definitely some emotional manipulation from the Dalek's in this episode.
SPEAKER_03So after the Dalek is breaking free, Simmons, the guy who's loves to do some torture, he just goes up to it and he's like, What are you gonna do? Sucker me to death? And the Dalek does exactly that. Just like full-on takes its little toilet plunger and sucks his face in. I cackled. Rose and the others run out of the cage and lock it in as the alarms start to blare. They cut back to the doctor being tortured by Van Staten, and the doctor's like, release me if you want to live. The doctor is free and warns everyone to keep it in its cell, but the Dalek can calculate a thousand billion combinations in a second. So, like, that cell did not hold it very long.
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_03No, no. So Rose and the guards are by the door as the Dalek escapes, and bullets are useless against it. They literally just vaporize, like, before it can even touch. So Rose, Adam, and the guard run away as the Dalek downloads the whole internet, and you know, just the energy of the base, and you know, most of the power on the West Coast. And now the vault is just working on emergency power. Sure. The Dalek goes on a killing spree while Panstaten shouts that he doesn't want the prize of his museum harmed.
SPEAKER_01I love I just just the phrase he downloaded the entire internet is so funny to me. And I I think is maybe something that would not be written today.
SPEAKER_03You don't think the Dalek downloaded all of fanfiction.net and read exactly what people were saying about it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, exactly. I'm thinking of that ad that was like, you wouldn't download a car. Exactly.
SPEAKER_03And now you can order a car off the internet, like uh like Amazon. And so Van Staten, he's pretty useless in this point because Goddard and the doctor are just like looking at blueprints, maps, trying to figure out where this thing is going. There's like some sort of heat rave falling where they can kind of figure out where things are going. And they try to formulate a plan. But Van Staten, he's like, mm-mm, just seal it down there with everyone else. We don't need them. Bye.
SPEAKER_01Which like such a compassionate guy, like really number one boss.
SPEAKER_03Adam, the guard, and Rose think they've beat the Dalek in their little chase because they've got to a staircase, and they're like, na na na boo-boo, you can't get me. And of course, this thing turns into a little hovercraft, and the Dalek's like, I'm gonna float up these stairs and get you. The guard orders Adam to get Rose out of there and sacrifices herself to slow the Dalek down. I don't think it really slowed it down much, though. Guns are useless.
SPEAKER_01The I I guess the Dalek's floating goes all the way back to the original series, but that is the advantage of doing a reboot is that you don't have to be like, okay, well, you know, like we didn't not everything, like, people could still be surprised. It's fine. People haven't watched the show in 20 years.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. I love it. Back with the doctor, Van Staten says that they should reason with the Dalek, and the doctor just like loses his shit and goes off on him, saying, You cannot reason with it and will kill everyone because racial cleansing is the goal, even amongst Daleks. Like this one would definitely be killed by the pure ones.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_03The doctor orders the guards to aim for the eye, but the guard says he can handle a 10 robot. Why don't people just listen?
SPEAKER_01They're man.
SPEAKER_03That is true. Yep. Adam and Rose pop up by the guards as they're about to start shooting, but then they like get out of the way, and the Dalek is close behind and looks directly at Rose like it knows her. She's the only human who can clock what's going on in the moment as the guards stupidly try to shoot it. Oh my goodness. Them bullets are vaporized like the freaking matrix before they can hit the tin can, and the Dalek starts hovering again, shoots the sprinkler system to activate all the rain, and then boom, electrocutes all the guards. This is Loki, a fuck around and find out moment, eye for an eye. Like, look out. The Dalek downloaded the Bible.
SPEAKER_01It's part of the internet.
SPEAKER_03So there are so many apps of it.
SPEAKER_01Gwen Stefani just trying to sell it to people. Who is Gwen Stefani?
SPEAKER_03A A N A N A S. The doctor asks about sealing the vault since they're stuck and cannot evacuate because there's not enough power. Goddard and the doctor talk about rerouting the emergency power to seal the vault, and Van Staten is finally useful because he knows how to use computers. He's a genius allegedly. So he decides to reroute it because he doesn't want to die. The Dalek then calls the doctor through the comms and explains that it fed off Rose's DNA and extrapolated the biomass of a time traveler to regenerate itself. It tells the doctor that it cannot find any other signs of dialeks after downloading the whole internet and looking at all the satellites and everything, but it needs orders. The doctor tells them everyone's gone, but the dialek doesn't know what to do with itself. So the doctor blows up and tells it to kill itself and rid the universe of itself. And the doctor is just going off at this point. And the dialek just, again, libraries open. You would make a good dialek.
SPEAKER_01The uh I I just realized in you reading that, and I'm sure I put put it together at some point. Like he needed, yeah, he needed Rose's DNA as a time traveler, which also that implies that time traveling through time changes your DNA, which is maybe something.
SPEAKER_03I believe they explain it throughout the series. It's like Artron energy. It's like with you and whatnot. See, I pay attention to things sometimes. Only sometimes.
SPEAKER_01Can you get time cancer? I hope not. I don't want to think about that actually. Never mind speed on past that.
SPEAKER_03I mean, we do have to talk about in the future what happens when Amy and Rory, when they start to make a baby and it turns into a half-time lord thing.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03My wife. Page's wife. I officiated. My wife, yeah.
SPEAKER_01And by that you mean Rory Pond.
SPEAKER_03Rory Pond. That's what we call him. Rory Pond. The doctor tells them to seal the vault and calls Rose to warn her that the vault is being closed and she needs to run. They can't sustain the power, and the doctor apologizes and they seal the vault. Adam makes it through in time, but Rose does not. The doctor is still on the phone with Rose, and Rose is being like, it's not your fault. And I would not like trade any of our adventures for the world. Wouldn't want to miss this. And we hear the Dalek shout, exterminate, and the doctor just blows up on our billionaire, saying that he wants to bury the stars and shames him for all of his actions. Will somebody do this to the billionaires on our earth right now?
SPEAKER_01When this is a good, like, I do worry that you know, I I don't know. No, I don't worry. It was a new series, like you could do whatever you wanted. It does feel a bit like Rose is almost killed every episode, or the doctor thinks she's killed, like we're running into that a lot. But here it's really effective. And and I really like the way it's played, especially the way that she delivers the like, I don't regret this.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. Like, I think that works very, very well. But we cut back down to the vault, and the Dalek hasn't killed Rose. Rhodes tells it to kill her, and the Dalek says, they are dead because of us, and that it feels her fear. It starts shooting randomly, but not at her. She gave it life and it's contaminated because she gave it all the other emotions as well. Dun dun. Daleks aren't supposed to have those, y'all.
SPEAKER_01Nope. Just hatred.
SPEAKER_03Exactly, just like me. Adam goes up the elevator and the doctor shames him for not saving Rose. The Dalek patches back into the comms and says to open the bulkhead or Rose dies. The doctor is relieved she's alive, and the Dalek wants them to open up the bulkhead, and even though Rose says not to open it, the Dalek says, What use are emotions if you can't save the woman you love? The doctor can't kill her again, and Adam helps the doctor find some weapons before they go opening things. Bun dun dun. I mean, I do question the doctor sometimes because yes, it sucks that our girl, the girl we follow, is down there, but would you risk the whole universe for one person? And the doctor would every single time. That's his whole thing, kind of.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, exactly. Is is this the first mention in this series of the doctor being in love with Rose? Uh, because and I I think it's interesting because and we kind of mentioned it previously, uh, they do have great chemistry together. And I know everybody talks about her chemistry with the ninth doctor, but she does have a lot of chemistry with Chris Rackleston as well, too.
SPEAKER_03I am of the opinion that nine and Rows are more in love than 10 in Rose because 10's kind of a slut.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03And like we get the hints of it, like in The Unquiet Dead, he calls her beautiful, but kind of like tries to scurry over that. And like Adam asks if there's something going on there. She's like, Oh, we're friends.
SPEAKER_01Thank you both, by the way. My numbers have been off all episode. You're right. Nine and ten. Wow. Wow. Wow. Wow. Thank you. It's okay.
SPEAKER_03Ten shows up like as 12 different doctors throughout this show. We can forget a few of them. That's true.
SPEAKER_01I went to public school. Forgive me.
SPEAKER_03Okay. We went to school in America.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, also that.
SPEAKER_03It's fine. And I do love this moment whenever Adam's like trying to help the doctor find weapons because Adam knows that Van Staten wipes people's memories and drops them on the side of the road. So he's like, I tried to save things just in case it could help me. And it's like, this is a hairdryer.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03Like, so even throughout this whole thing, the doctor can judge somebody and be like, that doesn't work, that didn't work, that's a hairdryer. What's it gonna do? We cut back to the Dalek having a life crisis and keeps asking Rose, What am I? Like, what's going on? Where are we going? And when the elevator opens up for them to join Van Staten and Goddard, Rose tells them not to shoot. It's questioning itself. And she manages to stop the Dalek from killing Van Staten, even though the dude tortured him for funsies. And she just asks the Dalek what it wants, and it responds, want some freedom. And isn't that what we all want?
SPEAKER_01But the Daleks don't want freedom. They want uh control overything or orders.
SPEAKER_00Or orders, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Rose and the Dalek head into the hall, and the Dalek shoots a hole to let the sunlight in. They bask in the sunlight, and the Dalek asks how it feels before opening its casing, and we see a little squid Dalek raise a tentacle to feel the sun. A little guy. He's just my favorite. Okay, I need a pating, and I also need Squid Dalek. Okay. I'll keep a list.
SPEAKER_01I do think it's funny though that oftentimes in history, the fascists who are like, we want the most perfect thing, the most perfect race, look like a little potato guy.
SPEAKER_03So every time. The doctor then shows up with a gun and tells Rose to get out of the way, but Rose refuses. And when he says how it killed all of his people, she points out he's the one holding a gun to her. T I know she's just slapping him in the face with all of this. She explains the Dalek is changing and asks, What the hell are you changing into?
SPEAKER_02This, like we keep talking about how we love when a companion confronts the doctor because the doctor needs us so bad.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, like the doctor is an alien, and like even the first doctor when he's on earth, he like tries to bash a caveman's head in. So, like the doctor, for all of their goodness, it's like, no, there's so much violence in there.
SPEAKER_02Not a perfect person.
SPEAKER_03No, by any means. No, but they do have the perfect person in Rose because this stops the doctor in his tracks, and he lowers his weapon and apologizes. The Dalek talks about everything he feels and tells Rose to order him to die, that this is not life, it's sickness, and he wants to be destroyed. Rose doesn't want to, but she sees how desperate it is and tells him to do it. And basically, like lets the Dalek make the choice to die in a very kind way, I would say. And the Dalek asks if she's afraid, and when she responds, yes, it says, so am I. The Dalek tells her to stand back, and the globes on its shelf float around it, and it disintegrates itself. And there's our end of the Dalek, though. Goddard then has Van Staten taken away to have his memory wiped and dropped him off in a city that begins with S. She then orders the vault to be filled with cement. Adam tells him they have to evacuate before it's filled, and Rose convinces the doctor to let Adam travel with them. Even though he's confused, he follows them into the TARDIS and it dematerializes. The end. A lot to break down here.
SPEAKER_02I don't understand why they want Adam to travel with them.
SPEAKER_01I don't either.
SPEAKER_03He wanted to see the stars. But like, what?
SPEAKER_01It's it's a I guess just an act of kindness for Rose, but also he abandoned her when they were in the vault together, and the doctor is not impressed by Adam's intelligence in any way, shape, or form either. So yeah, I have to agree with you, Paige. I don't really I mean, I love when they just pick up a stray. I'm okay with it, but like I didn't see what was so special about Adam either.
SPEAKER_03No, it's one of those things, like sometimes the a companion is like because Adam is technically listed as a companion, it's actually the main companion's companion. Just like Dan is Yaz's companion, not the doctor's companion.
SPEAKER_01It's true.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, I do I do want to say, not to compliment the Nazi, when it when it blows itself up, it does look very cool. Um it looks very cool. Especially like in an era in which the the effects could occasionally be questionable. Like that, I was like, that's a neat idea with the balls and the the blowing itself, uh but oh wow, that's a weird way of blowing itself up. Um the uh um I do it's tough. The like I like that she relents not from a place of sadness for the stalek in to ordering it to kill itself, but from a place of like, oh, you like there is no fixing. You like you will always be a horrible, like Nazi, like fascist. When because he basically says, like, I don't want to live like like tainted, like because I think realizes there's nothing left for this species, I think. But but he's also just still full so full of hatred, yeah, and he doesn't know what to do with his emotions, right? And so I I think it's it's an interesting thing because it's not really a mercy killing in the that like I I don't feel like she f feels as bad for the Dalek at that point as she did earlier, like she now knows that this is a horrible killing machine capable, and I'm glad she talks the doctor down, but she's just like, yeah, fine, like if that's what you think you gotta do, like do it because there's no place for you in this world, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, because at that point the Dalek's just demanding orders from Rose.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03But yeah, that happens. Then we have Goddard and her little moment of Van Staten being taken away to have his memory wiped. This is the part where I feel like she's taking down evil, but also could become evil herself.
SPEAKER_01Well, that's that's I was gonna say like that for as much as we get like a fun doctor redemption, a fun like, wow, the doctor really did it, like came through, it is not gonna be the evil guy. We still get this like bit of like, is Goddard not good now? That like is she just going to become Van Staten? Or is she doing this from a place of good? But it just that also feels like you mentioned the Dalek was getting an eye for an eye. This feels very eye for an eye, too. And so it's not, you know, there's not a lot of chance for redemption for somebody like Van Staten if you're just going to wipe his brain and throw him on the side of the road. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That is our episode. Um, listener questions, they're more like vibe discussion points. Uh, fruiters and the local goblin are the one who brought the big finish audio. There's also a novelization of this Jubilee story to my attention. And just like, how does this compare to the audio or the novel, like the episode to this? Because I would say it's very interesting how they did it. Like in the audio, the dialek itself destruct was disabled, so it's just stuck there, and its orders were either like conquer whatever or die. And so it was unable to do either. I thought that was very interesting in many ways.
SPEAKER_01I I liked I listened to the audio as well, and I liked that the the way that this as you mentioned up top, the way the story is pared down and and the way it like the updates into making it work for the ninth doctor and as well are are really interesting. And I I think it it's able to drill down into the thesis of this sort of fascist and like what happens when there's you're kind of the last fascist in in a world that you don't doesn't have a place for you um without making you feel like, oh, I feel bad for the Dalek. Yeah. So I yeah, I think I think it does a good job with that. I I'm I'm happy was the same writer. Uh I do think it's interesting that he has never written for another episode of Doctor Who since then, in terms of like the the the show. Um and and I do wonder like what what sort of time he had um in writing, because I did read a couple things where Russell T. Davies, like he kept turning in drafts, and Russell T. Davies kept responding that he was unimpressed. And I'm like, well, that's not a healthy working atmosphere.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, we could we could say a lot about Russell and his opinions and taste, and we will as this goes on. And we shall. We shall. But I do like how the general themes were taken. I'm glad they cut down certain things because, like in the audio, there's like two different versions of the Doctor because of how the time paradox is working, and one of them has also been like a prisoner in a tower alone, much like the Dalek, and his legs have been cut off.
SPEAKER_01Yes, yeah, yeah. I forgot about that. And I recently strange. Yeah, I recently listened to it, and now that you said that, I'm like, oh yeah, no, that happened. Forgot about that.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, amazing what we forget in a couple days, because I'm gonna forget so much. That's just how getting old works, though. And then boop, shout out, boop. They would like us to talk about just like the horror, scary fear aspects and reactions of this episode. I love that we have our scary reuve of the Dalek. I think just that is played perfectly, and just like just the idea of fear with like throughout this, like, is it scared? Is Rose scared? Yes and no. I like how that plays into the themes of what's going on.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's a it's really because I know this one was a little controversial when it came out because people thought it might be too scary. But I think I feel like I said that about the last episode I was on as well, too. And I I think that the one thing I love about Doctor Who is even if it is silly and some some of the effects aren't always great, like I like that it can have these episodes that um let children be a little afraid of things and like introduces them a little bit to horror, especially like this, which has like very real ramifications to society and things that have happened in both our history and are happening currently.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it's a little bit of just like fascism meets alien in a way, where you are stuck with this creature in an enclosed space. And I really like how that works out and how people people will always ignore the good logical ideas of others because they just want to blow shit up and use guns. And learn that guns are never choice. But yes, uh, other little notes in here Bad Wolf is mentioned when Van Staten is landing, his little plane thingy coming in there. And this is the first story of the new series to not feature the TARDIS interior, and I didn't realize that until I looked it up.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's kind of clever that they don't do that. Like that starts with them exiting the TARDIS, it ends with them entering the TARDIS. It's a very non-TARTIS involved episode.
SPEAKER_03I would assume, just based on what Christopher Eccleston said um about like filming this and a certain part of the filming block, that they were so behind on certain things that when they went, they left one production to do the table read of this. And first off, they did surprise him because they said the actor playing the voice of the Dalek would not be there, but he was hiding under a table the whole time, and it was they scared him and Billy Piper doing that, like how to say lines. I know, and like doing the voice and everything. That is so silly. But Eccleston also gushed about working with this director, Joe Aaron, at Chicago TARDIS 2025. I was there, and he loved working with him, and he said he really understood the series. And this guy directs like five episodes, and if you look at them, they're really, really good episodes. And then Robert Sherman envisioned the Doctor and the Daleks confrontation being akin to Clarice and Hannibal Lecter in The Silence of the Lambs.
SPEAKER_01I read somewhere too that he was initially sort of put off by Eccleston's very emotional performance in that scene, how angry he got. And then when he saw it played back, was like, oh no, like this this guy's like he really gets it. He you know, he's really good. And it's like, yeah, try trust the actor sometimes. Sometimes the actor they they got hired for a reason.
SPEAKER_03Exactly. Like this person, like this creature being his race is like low-key responsible for the war that like he was forced to genocide two different species.
SPEAKER_04I mean, yeah. You know, that's a baggage.
SPEAKER_03We that this is the oncoming storm they warn people about with the doctor, because the doctor is like a symbol of hope across the universe, but also terror for a certain population. So, yes. Any last thoughts about this episode before we pop in the TARDIS and skedaddle?
SPEAKER_01I I really do love this one. Thank you for having me on for this one. I I even in rewatching it, I the tone is so different from the previous five episodes that came before it because it is so serious. It's funny because it is incredibly self-contained, and yet there's still some really beautiful set pieces as well too inside the vault itself. And yeah, I don't know. I uh the there's something, you know, what's the phrase brevity is the soul of wit. Like the there's something about being able to pair that story Jubilee down into this 40 to 50 minute block for the night doctor that I I think just really works. It's a great episode.
SPEAKER_03It really is. Like, whenever I read the Clarice Hannibal Lecter inspiration, I'm like, oh, I totally see that in their conversation. And it goes back to sometimes you just need really good dialogue to sell something, and yes, uh, it'll make this tin can scary.
SPEAKER_01It's it's funny. I'm I'm wearing a Star Trek shirt, and one of the things that uh bothers me about modern Star Trek, which I love all Star Trek, so I'm not going to be one of those people who we'll have you on for the Star Trek Doctor Who crossover comic book they did. I I've read it, of course. I I love it. The um, but the uh one of the things that bothers me about modern Star Trek is they now have the money to accomplish the things that they couldn't in the past, and therefore there are some episodes that are less talky that I think could be better and more fleshed out when they are talky. And it's nice watching Doctor Who from this era, uh, which I know is still, you know, it's 20 years ago, but it's still not like old, old Doctor Who, but still seeing them be like have the limitations about what they can do, so you get these extra scenes where characters are talking and explaining things and and really working through stuff, and it's beautiful, especially since they were already going over budget in the first couple episodes.
SPEAKER_03So it was just like they they had nothing to worry about.
SPEAKER_01Can't have snow, can't have snow flood into the dark.
SPEAKER_03No budget for snow. No budget for snow. Paige, any final thoughts?
SPEAKER_02I just agree with everything that's been said. I think it goes back to that soap opera thing we've been talking about, where you sometimes just need two really good actors in a room, like with good dialogue, and sometimes that's enough.
SPEAKER_03So, what you're saying is we're gonna cast Eileen Davidson in Doctor Who as a villain. She would actually be incredible. She would. Kristen Damira fits the Doctor Who world. Yeah, she does.
SPEAKER_00I want Dorian Lorde. Dorian Lord as the Ronnie.
SPEAKER_03You know, she would crush. Oh, this was so much fun. Gavin, thank you again for have like just coming here. And I'm gonna drag you back in. We're gonna kidnap you more. Tell the good people where they can find you.
SPEAKER_01Well, first, I will always be on the lookout for your big blue TARDIS just to show up in my room and climb aboard and record with you guys. But uh, I guess the other places you can find me, as I mentioned up top, you can listen to me on the mixed reviews, which is a film podcast, or you can listen to the Q Division, which also has Chels as a co-host, which is the James Bond Rewatch podcast. And you can find those at at the Q Division, at the mixed reviews on many places. They're on every single podcast app. And also, I guess if you really want to find me, you can find me at sh it's Gavin. That's S-H-H-I-T-S-G-A-V-I-M at Blue Sky, or you can find me at at Gavin Mev on Instagram. Thank you so much for having me on, both of you. I'm very excited to do the show with you.
SPEAKER_03Always we're gonna drag you to be a co-host for the Bill series. We will.
SPEAKER_01Yes, absolutely. Oh, I didn't even mention Bill when we were talking about companions. I fucking love Bill. Don't worry.
SPEAKER_03Every time you come on, I'm gonna make you talk about another companion.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Thank you for listening to Across the Huniverse. We can be found wherever you listen to your podcasts. And please make sure to rate and review, subscribe, do whatever you can. You can find us on Instagram, Blue Sky, and Tumblr, links in the show notes, or email us at across the universepod at gmail.com page. Remind the Time Lords where else they can find you.
SPEAKER_02I'm Thoughts by Page on Blue Sky, Hay Smithers on Tumblr, and Paige Noel Kaiser on Instagram. I'm also um recording sh my stories are on with Chels talking about reality TV and soaps.
SPEAKER_03And I'm Chelsea 725 on Blue Sky, serialized, occasionally letterboxed, and Chelsea on Instagram. If you can find my Tumblr, you're stronger than a Dalek. You can listen to me and my fellow agent slash companion Gavin on the Q Division, a James Bond movie marathon podcast, wherever you listen to your shows. Paige will be on for a fake James Bond at some point. Look out. And I can also be heard on the And a Rewatch feed where we talk about so many of our favorite shows we're re-watching. And then me and Paige, our little spinoff of And a Rewatch is shh, my stories are on with our friends Jesse and Owen, where we talk about all of our favorite unscripted and scripted stories airing right now. So everyone, go check that out. It's great. And then I have made my second appearance on The World According to Glenn, a Glenn Close podcast. And it is so much fun. I am being dragged for every TV movie. So look out. The one that we've just recorded. Couldn't tell you the name of the movie. I have 20 different title guesses, and all of them are probably wrong. Be sure to join us for our next adventure across space and time as we revisit the long game. Until next time, we'll see you in the Time Vortex. Bye.
SPEAKER_04Bye.