Oneness in Marriage and Business | Building a Strong Marriage with Datonya McLaren #27

Can a marriage and a business thrive at the same time? 

In Episode 27 of The Designers of Change Podcast, we sit down with Relationship Coach Datonya McLaren for a powerful conversation about oneness, marriage, and business. 

Building a business together can strengthen a marriage—but it can also create pressure, conflict, and blurred boundaries if couples are not intentional. 

In this episode, we explore what true oneness in marriage really means and how couples can build a thriving relationship while working together toward a shared vision. 

In this episode we discuss 

• What oneness in marriage really means
 • Building a shared vision for marriage and business
 • Common challenges couples face when working together
 • Communication and conflict resolution in marriage and business
 • Defining roles and respecting each other’s strengths
 • Why the marriage must always remain stronger than the business
 • Creating healthy boundaries between work life and personal life
 • Practical advice for couples building a legacy together 

Whether you are married, engaged, dating, or building a business with your spouse, this conversation offers wisdom, honesty, and practical tools to help you grow together without losing each other. 

Because the strongest businesses are built on strong relationships. 

Watch now and learn how to build both love and legacy. 

Like, subscribe, and share with a couple building something meaningful together. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Coming up on this episode of the Designers of Change podcast.

SPEAKER_01 0:04

I was saying I couldn't do that. I wasn't qualified to speak on marriage. I mean, I'm not going to pretty much, I was no pretty girl. When I got angry, I would throw things. I would be abusive in my words. The community is what helped us to work through communicating as a couple better. Because when you are in the situation, when you're in the situation, you're not able to see where you're going wrong or what you need to fix, or because you're so focused on the pain, or you're focused on I am right. And you are wrong, and you can't see what I'm dealing with.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

It's episode 27, and this is a topic that has been highly requested. And guess what? You're gonna get it today. Today we have a very special, special guest. I'm gonna share with you who it is shortly, but we are happy to have you joining us on this episode. Every episode gives ton loads of gems that you will ensure that you're gonna be writing them down or something because you know the faintest of ink is greater than the best of memories. So you wanna make sure you stick and stay. But we have to thank our sponsors for making this possible to Jace Myra Media, Mind Food International, Superletive Auto, Grace Creates, Caribbean Gospel TV, Amanda's Kitchen, SK Catering, Max 247 Wrecking Services, Regional Consulting Services all the way in K-Man, the Self-Care Bar, Jesse's Home Decor and Proactive Lifestyle Limited. We are so grateful for all our sponsors. Now, our special guest today is none other than Mrs. Datania McLaren. Now, she is a certified relationship coach, has been married for well over 18 years. I can't believe it because when I do the maths, if I minus those 18 years, she she probably been alive for two years before she got married. She is a wonderful mother, wife, and you know, a great friend. And I'm happy, happy, happy, happy to have witnessed most of her journey so far. So, so proud and happy to have you sharing the platform with me today, Mrs. McLaren. How are you doing? I'm doing great, and I'm so excited to be here.

SPEAKER_01 2:37

I am really happy to have this opportunity to share my journey and just to talk about marriage.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

Yes, yes, yes. You know, you know what's funny. Um, you know, while we were getting ready, that Tanya said, Are you guys sure you never needed somebody else? And I'm like, what is she talking about? From the topic came up, she is definitely the individual that we want to speak to because our topic, as I said, highly requested, is speaking to oneness in marriage and business. Because people see Jamar and I, and they're like, Man, how do you guys do it? You guys seem to be like yin and yang, you guys complement each other. How do you do so many different things together? How do you achieve that? And I and we believe you're the best person to share with us. You're in the space, you're working with couples, you and it's not just you know, throwing out philosophy out there. I mean, living it yourself. Yes, yes, that's important, very important, yeah, man. Very important and and and we we definitely admire that. By the way, big up to Mr. Kemar McLaren, he's not here at all, but you know, he sent his wife to represent, and we thank you for that, sir. Thank you so much. But you know, that Tanya, like from your journey, from what you've witnessed, having worked with so many different clients, what is oneness in marriage?

SPEAKER_01 4:00

Um, so just to sum it all up, Jesus said, or the great book said, that a man should leave his mother and his father and cleave to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh. No, certainly that could not be speaking to a physical merging because that would sound crazy. Impossible, right? You know, impossible, yes. So it's more spiritual, emotional, psychological. It's the coming together of one vision, no longer two visions, yes, but two minds saying this is where we're going, this is the focus. So the oneness is the merging of our ideas or dreams or aspirations, even though we're still uniquely ourselves, yes, we still are we're very much independent, interdependent on each other, so it's working together as one.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

Yes, I love that. I love that, and in a in a age where everybody wants to do their own thing, let's just be really practical. Like, even when you look at what it's like in dating in society today, some of the terms I'm hearing, oh, I run a strict program, I'm all about this. Women are independent, they're driven, you know. The males may be required requiring somebody who is not that out there and doing a million things, but everybody wants what they want. In today's society, we also see that less people are getting married. That is true.

SPEAKER_01 5:27

Statistics prove that. Or they're marrying older. Wow. Right, right. Both sexes are marrying older. Statistics show a lot of persons are waiting until their late 30s to tie the knot.

SPEAKER_00 5:40

They're not they're not doing it in their 20s. No, not anymore. How old were you when you got married? At 22. Wow, I was 25. I don't even think I turned 25.

SPEAKER_01 5:50

At 22, I was just a crazy little young girl. I don't know what I was thinking that I would want a man at that age. But I mean, I found out I made a choice at 22.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

I found out I'm still crazy. So I don't know. I don't know. I don't know if it has anything to do with age, but I mean, you know, marriage is, and I like to tell people um, beyond leading yourself, marriage is probably one of the hardest things ever, you know, and the most beautiful too. Yes. So the hardest, and when you look at even raising children, yes, you know, those things they come with such tasks that you have to self-reflect and in order to grow. But you know, I really admire how you and Kemar, like when we do go to your marriage um seminars, retreats, whatever it is, there is always something to learn. And you and Kemar are so open, so practical, uh, always giving tips. Yes. I mean, how did they start that honey? How did you know that this is where I should be?

SPEAKER_01 6:59

Well, the truth is it didn't start perfect, you know, and I know that ideally persons would recommend getting premarital counseling, they would recommend you having all the things in place, which is good, yes, right, but that didn't that was not our story. We were broken, you know, we are we are churchgoers and it was not acceptable at the time. Well, it's still not acceptable, but we fell before marriage, which to some persons they're maybe wondering, what is that? Right. We had sex before marriage, which in the church, in the church community, that is fornication, right? So that was something that really took a toll on us um to the point where I went into deep depression. Wow. Um, I was admitted into a mental institution because that's how depressed I felt. But Kemara was there right through, and he loved me through all of that to the point where we felt like the next best thing to do was marriage. And I would not say that the church imposed it, but to some extent, they somewhat was um, you know, kind of cueing that that's what you should do next. Right. I really felt after years after that, God was saying we should have waited to heal, to you know, to do the inner work, but we didn't do that, so we went in broken, not all the things in place. So no premarital counseling, no um finish degree and um make sure you have house and car in place. There was nothing like that. We just said, okay, we're in love, we're gonna give this a shot and see where it goes. But we know we we we knew at the time that we loved each other, we were friends before, so we got married, and oh my god, so for the first couple months it was great, just like you know, the honeymoon stage, and then we started to settle in, and oh my god, I was recognizing that this guy was not as mature as he portrayed himself to be, and I was extremely angry and bitter because this is not the life I designed for myself, right? And there was so much pain, so much brokenness. I mean, I remember times just saying, God, can you get any kind of glory out of this relationship? And I know sometimes people share their story, and persons go, you know, yes, that could be me. But really and truly, when I was in that place and I heard other stories, I was saying, No, impossible. Mine is impossible. Wow, it was it was just too hard. But then we kept going because we both had a strong foundation in the Lord, and not only that, we connected with persons like yourself and you know, other persons who they were not necessarily focusing on marriage, but they were focusing on inner work. And Jamar always said, Your marriage does better when you do better. Yes, so we started to work on ourselves. It was not just about what I saw for a fault in Kemar, Kemara saw a fault in me. I didn't have marriage ministry on my mind. It was it was just I would say I couldn't do that. I wasn't qualified to speak on marriage. I mean, I'm not going to pretty, I was not a pretty girl. When I got angry, I would throw things. Okay, I would be abusive in my words.

SPEAKER_00 10:03

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 10:04

I mean, we that's just marriage because everybody wants to put out that nice, you know, podcast. You leave an interview still thinking this person can't relate to me. But I can relate. I was the wife who, when my husband decided he's not gonna listen to what I'm saying. I remember we had a big flat screen TV. Oh my gosh. And he said, Listen, I'm not even listening to you right now. And I just put the TV on the ground, just fling it on the ground. And the man was saying, No, this is a psychopath.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Can my never know them things they don't go through, sir?

SPEAKER_01 10:35

It's not just him, it's not just him. I went through things too. You know, I went, and that is the merging of the oneness. Yes, because I had to die, but I didn't know about, I didn't know what dying looked like. It felt too painful. And I remember a lot of times saying to God, this man that you give me, you don't understand. He doesn't love me. Because you know, women will get emotional, we're trying to talk, and men don't want to talk, they want to sleep, and you're wondering, how can you sleep and we just had a disagreement? It's not the sleep part, they're just a sleep royal. Okay, and and I can get it, you know. I get it too, because sometimes there you need a space to think things through. It's not always wrong. Sometimes talking in the heat is not good. But we know we went through our little phases and we went through counseling. I I remember going to different counselors, trying to find the right counselor. We couldn't find anybody, but we kept going. Yes. I love that about our marriage. We didn't give up because I did not want to fit in to this form of looking like we're happy. And I always had this deep feeling inside, like I only get one shot at life. I don't want to be old and saying I lived miserable, I was never truly happy just for the sake of looking the part.

SPEAKER_00 11:48

That's so beautiful, that Tanya, because the truth is you have a lot of people who are living like that, and they have made up their mind that that is just how they're going to live because they believe that there is no hope. But what I love about what you're sharing is that you and Kemar kept going. You and the fact that he was going to the council. Even if he didn't want to, even if he didn't want to.

SPEAKER_01 12:12

That's impressive. He kept going. And I know sometimes some wives will say, Oh, you know what? I am the one that always has to book the session. Right. I booked the session. Right. I booked the session because what was important is us being healed so that we can go on to greater things. So we got to a place where we finally found the right counselor. He was a seventh-day adventist and he sat with us and he worked through, you know, the different nuances and the challenges and the childhood trauma and the pain and the issues. And he said to us, I remember the question that he asked us that made the shift. Who are you remaining married for? Your church or yourself? Wow. Your church or yourself.

SPEAKER_00 12:54

Who are you remaining married for? That's how powerful questions are married. That's a powerful question. Now, for anybody who understands the dynamic of male and female, they know the most powerful uh thing for a woman is to be loved. Yes, and for a male, the most powerful thing for him is to be respected. And so those are two different languages. Oftentimes when you have you know relationship spouses bumping heads, they're saying the same thing, but they're speaking two different languages, and there's nobody in in between to decode that language. So I wanted to talk a little bit of about how important was it for you guys to understand that you have to communicate in each other's language. Right.

SPEAKER_01 13:45

Um, when we went to counseling, and I know people like to downplay um the value of counseling or community. So it may not be um a professional therapist, but it could be just your community of other couples, just like you know, just where you sit and you talk and you work through things, a marriage ministry, something. The community is what helps us to work through communicating as a couple better. Yes. Because when you are in the situation, when you're in the situation, you're not able to see where you're going wrong or what you need to fix, or because you're so focused on the pain, the pain. Or you're focused on I am right. Yes, yes, and you are wrong, and you can't see what I'm dealing with. But when I so, for example, let me give you an example. When I used to say to Kemar, can you just stay back in the bed with me like in the morning sometime? Don't rush to go and do things, just let us cuddle, like especially on a weekend. It meant something to me for you to just linger there and have us cuddling. He didn't get it. But when we spoke with other couples, one husband said, You know, hey, my wife had the same issue, and I stayed back with her, and it worked out pretty fine. And I and I get it. That's her way of communicating that I want you to be here with me. And Kemar got it right then and there. When he heard it from somebody else, he didn't get it, but he heard it and he was able now to speak my language. I have a friend, a dear friend, uh, and and he would tell me this is how males think, this is how a man thinks, this is how a man, you know, um registers when you say this a certain way, that would help me to speak to Kemar. It was even though Kemar was saying the same thing, I could not hear because remember, there are other barriers, the pain and the challenges, and I'm not seeing what he's saying, and not hearing because all of these other barriers, but having a community will help you to speak the right language, and also reading. You have to read, you have to educate yourself, you know. You have to you can't just be in your little space and thinking, hey, I'm gonna become better just by sitting there and staring. We read a lot, we started to read. Remember, when once we met Jamar, we have to read. So we started to read.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

We were in training yesterday, and at one point he went off on a tangent, you know, because he's asking, when was the last time you read a book? And so we read Gary Chat.

SPEAKER_01 16:06

Yeah, we had to read all these little books, and you know, even books from Carla Dunbar. We read her books, yes, and we have we we have read um her needs, his needs, so we have read a number of books because education information changes the way you think.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

Yes, I'm just in aw guys, you you don't understand. It's it's such a pleasure to witness, you know, purpose. Yes, purpose like just to see that you know you started with even when you started, you didn't think it was time to start. No, no, you didn't want to be out there. You you you delayed, you know, doing your your your man and woman conversations because you were saying, Boy, if I'm having so much trouble, why would I wanna, you know, go out there? And every single time Jamar and I were a part of one of those um sessions, there's always something that we left with, always a blessing. You know, one of the things I want to find out from you, and and so that our you know, our audience can take from you know what you've learned. What were some of the things you had to work on?

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Um, in the marriage? Yes. Oh my, I had to just work on my tone. That's just one. I had to work on my tone. Um tone deaf. Yeah, completely. Yeah, because let me tell you, I can I'll say the right things. What I was saying to my husband were the right things, powerful things, things that would make him a great man. But you see, my tone, you see that other language called the body language. Oh my god. I had to work on those things, and it started from changing my mindset.

SPEAKER_00 17:53

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

So why was I started to get to the root? Why am I defensive? Yes, yes. Why am I this is somebody that loves me? Why am I always on the defense side? What is happening? Don't I trust him?

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Right.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

Isn't he in my corner? Isn't he for me? So I had to sort that out in the mind because it's the root, it's the lies that we tell ourselves that affect the way how we show up. Right. So I had to get into my mind and say, okay, Kemar loves me, he's not like other persons, he's not trying to get at me, get rid of those lies, and it changed the way I would speak to him. Right. Another thing that I needed to work on was to recognize that Kemar is not God. And sometimes we want our partners to be to us what only God can be to us.

SPEAKER_00 18:39

That is true. Yes. And what that is, isn't that such a burden for anybody to bear? Because they just can't do for you what God can do for you.

SPEAKER_01 18:49

And a lot of times, both male and female, we do it, right? And when we're we're struggling with certain things, we put the blame on the partner, we put the blame on what they're not doing and should do. And sometimes we have to learn to trust God enough to communicate to your partner.

SPEAKER_00 19:06

Right. And what your needs are sometimes. So you have expressed it over and over and over. Maybe it's time for you to step back. Step back.

SPEAKER_01 19:14

You know, I had to learn that. And it was it was pretty hard, you know, because the blame game, oh my god, I think that is from birth, you know. That blame game mentality, it's it's rooted in us to blame, to always see outside of ourselves. And so that's something that I had to work through. And the final thing that I had to work on was just understanding that I am here in this marriage to make this man better, it's not about me. You know, um, sometimes uh we show up in marriage and we make it about us, but marriage is a place of service, an institution of selflessness. Selfish people don't get married, don't get married if you're selfish. Yeah, because it's a place of selflessness, and so when I understood that I'm here to serve, it's about the other person. I noticed that my service pulls out his service, and when we're both thinking about serving each other, then we make the marriage better and we both end up being beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

That's that's so beautiful. That that last tidbit right there, because I mean society today has literally changed the meaning of that. Everybody is getting married for what they can get, yes, or the the the aesthetics of what it looks like to get married. It's so crazy, guys. But we're gonna stick and stay, we're gonna go for a break when we get back. We want to really get down into the point of how can we achieve this oneness in marriage, having doing the self-reflection, seeing where we went wrong, how do we now achieve that marriage that we're in sync, we're not fighting each other. That's a that's a good one. I can't wait to hear what you have to say, guys. Stick and stay, we'll be right back. She's sharing with us how can we achieve oneness in marriage and in business. And listen, with what she just shared with us a while ago, I know some of our female audience members are going to be so mad. Yes, you know, I'm kind of hurt, but it's okay. We're learning, right? That's a part of yes, that's a part of growth. So we're gonna become better wives and better partners after this episode. But we want to say thank you to our sponsors, Jace Marie Media, Mind Food International, Caribbean Gospel TV, Amanda's Kitchen, Grace Creates. The self-care bar just is home decor, skatering, also mag 247 wrecking services, regional consulting services in K-Man, and also Proactive Lifestyle Limited. We are grateful for your part that you play in making this possible. So now, Datanya, back to making people mad. Um listen, you just hit the nail on the head with so many different things about us having to change because we're looking for that change in our partner. When you know, when we change, they'll reciprocate. So now we want to talk about now achieving this oneness in marriage. Um, first of all, is it even possible?

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Very much so. Because the the master builder behind marriage said it is possible. So once he says it's possible, it's possible. And Kemar and I are living it right now.

SPEAKER_00 23:02

We are living proof that it is possible. Now, how do we define the roles in the marriage to ensure that we are playing to each other's strength and not overplaying our role?

SPEAKER_01 23:17

Well, the truth is um traditional roles in terms of man going out to work, wife staying home, and taking care of the home and nurturing the children, um, man being the main person to make the decisions that has shifted a lot. Yes, with the economy, with times, with culture. Yes, right. So now you have women working as well to bring in income. And many cases, women are even bringing in more income. Right. So we have to look at the dynamics. We can't allow our mindsets or or the former mindset to stop us from changing, right? God is the same yesterday, today, and forevermore, but it doesn't mean that he doesn't change with the time. He does. Yes, he does, he remains consistent, he wants our characters to remain intact, right? But we must move with the time or we're going to be left behind. Can you imagine a husband now just by himself working in this economy? I mean, in some cases, some family works, and and but it's it's the minor, it's really the minor. If we're supposed to be true, truthful, um, the average family cannot function with one income. So we have to work as a team. So it's no longer really about just hierarchy, it's about partnership. We're getting this done as a team. Decisions now are made as a team. Um roles are no longer gender-specific, but it's who is better or capable or has the better skills. So, just like I'm saying, you have some relationships or back in the past, men would make the decisions as it relates to finances. Right. Some women in your relationship, the woman may be the accountant. Yes, she may be um better at finances. Are you going to say because you are the man, you're not going to give her the opportunity to lead in that area? It's no longer just about what we should or should not do, it's about who has the better skills and the capacity to show up in that area. So can I press better? Same do all the pressing. That's all true. And he can't cook too. So he does the cooking sometimes, right? But he also does the finances. He's better at that than I am.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

But I'm a better um speaker, so I'll take in some more money in that area. So we know how to work together as a team. Teamwork is what will make the dream work. That's what they say.

SPEAKER_00 25:35

Absolutely. You know, I you know what I love about what you just said. You are literally saying you don't need to stick to tradition for the sake of sticking to tradition. You know what works within your marriage, right? So you have to play to each other's strength. Now, um, Datanya, how important is it while we're looking at this picture of being one in business and in our marriage? How do we ensure that we're not playing the roles that we're strong in and not, for example, emasculating the men or the men don't push the women outside of their supposed feminine side, right? How do you balance that equation?

SPEAKER_01 26:15

It goes back to conversation, and you know, just the other day, just the other day, I was making a presentation and we were talking about what success looks like for each of us, right? So success varies. Yes, some men like to do a particular thing, and because of society, they will say that is gonna make me look feminine, but it works and it makes them their marriage a success. Because some men they work from home, they help with the children, they help with the the ironing and the washing, and the woman goes out and she earns, and then at some point there's a shift. I think um what's her name? Her name is not coming back to me, but she's very famous. Um, oh my god, how could I forget her name? She's a black woman, and I remember she was sharing her story of her being at home and she would do her little, you know, little food videos. I think she's a vegetarian as well. Okay, probably the name will come to you, and she's she she her husband was a police officer and he gave up his dreams in a way so that she could live her dream, right? And then when she finally made it, she was just giving him an opportunity to live his dream. It's about your relationship, it's what works for you in business and in marriage.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

I love that, right?

SPEAKER_01 27:38

We cannot allow society to dictate how we function in our union. We must discuss what is it that success and happiness looks like for us. Then we map out a vision as to how we are going to get there. That's true. Oneness. Oneness is not you looking at another couple and saying, hey, you know, I admire them. Yes, it's good to admire them, but we will not duplicate if it's not effective.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

Man, the things I've seen. Admiration is different from duplication. And you know, I worry, and and I say to Jamar all the time, I have a true concern that people will look at a couple and say, oh, couple's goals. You don't know what they're going through, you don't know the price that they have to pay to do what they do. Don't go into an area, an industry, into a field just because you want to look like somebody else, because that picture will look very grim to you. You know, I I really appreciate this talk, and there is just so much. I I think we need a part two and three because we have different things that we need to focus on. But like if you were to give like three solid, solid advice on people who truly want to have successful marriage marriages, what would that be?

SPEAKER_01 28:59

Communication. Because the same way communication is what runs the world, yes, whether oral written, communicate. We have to communicate, and communication is not just you saying something and me hearing and receiving, communication is shared meaning. Shared, I can say something and still not have communicated, right? So it means then that we have to work at communication because we want to ensure that we have shared meaning. What I just said, what I mean is what you hear and receive on the same page, and that don't happen overnight. No, that takes work. Oh wow. Need it to go to the next level in order to have a successful relationship. Absolutely. The next thing I would say is consistency. Um, you know, many times God is doing good things in our marriages, many times the change is just on the horizon. Many times the shift that you need is just about to happen, but we can become inconsistent when we don't see what we want to see.

SPEAKER_00 30:08

True, true.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

The little small the small acts that we should do, we don't want to do them because we're looking for this grand, you know, um, shift. I remember speaking to a group of ladies the other day and I said to them, When we were growing, just like you're growing in the physical, we could not tell our hand was changing or stretch out or I got a little fatter. It was when I looked at a picture, I recognized I don't look the same. Or my clothes don't fit the same, or everything just looked different. But I literally could not get up in the mornings and see my hands stretching and my head getting bigger, my body getting bigger. It took time. It was the small things that we kept doing when we thought that this was the time that we got it right, but then a big argument happened and we felt like we would crash, but we didn't crash. We went back to the drawing board and we talk again, yes, and we worked it through to the point now where we don't we we don't even know what's an argument. I don't even know if Kimara and our Kimara and I are arguing anymore because we just start laugh, you know, and that took time, you know. That just took time, it was the constant little acts of coming back and saying, let's try again, let's work these two, let's talk about it. What did I say? The tit for tat needs to stop. And sometimes even in the tit for tat, we're titing fating and going back and forth, but we kept at it, we kept reading, we kept going to seminars, we kept connecting. Consistency is what is important. The third thing is community. I cannot, I cannot overemphasize the value of community. We are who we are, we reach where we reach because of people. We are not independent completely, we are not in isolation. Nobody who has ever made it got there by themselves. You in a community, and many of the persons that got a divorce or have failed marriages, they were holding it on the wraps, they kept it to themselves because they didn't want anybody to know, right? I didn't want nobody to hear this, and they didn't want people to look at them a funny way and all kind of things. When we were going through, people knew, oh my god, people know, everybody knows it was not nice to be in that place, but when God made the change, they also knew uh powerful, powerful, and they couldn't deny it.

SPEAKER_00 32:27

No, they're blown away by that, and and everyone has to witness that growth. Yes, that is just so beautiful. Datanya, what do you have coming up?

SPEAKER_01 32:36

So we have um our marriage seminar. Well, let me say a date night, um, and it's on May 30th. And we are we have not confirmed the venue because we're usually looking for an outside venue, yes, right? But that will be confirmed by the second week in April. So look out for the flyers on my platform Facebook, Instagram, TikTok, um, at that Tanya McLaren or Man on Woman Conversations, you'll see the poster there and the venue will be posted. But persons have been registering, yes, right, and we're so grateful, people are excited, they're looking forward to the event. We also have a single and loving it ministries. Yes, I know you didn't know about this. Yes, we do. So we have a WhatsApp ministry and we meet with them sometimes on Zoom, we meet with them, like we go different places because the Lord had said something. Well, God had said something to us that was very powerful. That if you can help those who have not yet tied the knot, you would have saved that generation. So we were doing a lot of work with married couples, but we were not looking at the fact that we could make a shift before they even got there. So we're working with that group and we have a book that is right now on Amazon that is called The Behind the Veils of Singleness. So I wanted to give single people an opportunity to speak their truth, and that we're Kemara and I are also working on our book that is coming out in July.

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Beautiful. I am so proud. I I'm so proud, I'm so thrilled. This has just been an amazing, amazing episode. One long overdue because they've been asking. But you know, um, again, Datana, there's just so much that I'd like to congratulate you on. I am I'm hearing you, the conversation is happening, the communication is happening. I'm receiving and perceiving your message, but I'm like in shock at just what is taking place. And you always had this passion for marriage. Yes, you know, uh, but you know, just being able to witness it full circle. Yes, I think that holds a very special place in my heart. And and so we want to say thank you, not just from me, but also from um Jamar as well, for joining us on the Designers of Change. See, we're not only designing change in our careers, but also our marriages. We we want to touch on every single area of your life again. Datanya, thank you so much for being with us. I'm so happy to be here. Awesome for doing a great job. Great, great job. So God be the glory. And we want to say thank you to our sponsors for making this possible. Jace Myriam Media, big boss is on set, and everything is going smoothly. Remember to reach out to Mind Food International for your training needs and the HR consultancy needs. We're here for you wherever you are in the world. I'm sure an aircraft can take us there. So we'll be there. We'll be there if you need us, guaranteed. Uh, Caribbean Gospel TV, Grace Creates Amanda's Kitchen, Mag 24-7, Wrecking Services, Regional Consulting Services, also Proactive Lifestyle Limited, Jesse's Home Decor, the Self Care Bar, and also we want to say a huge, huge thank you to SKRIN. Guys, thank you for joining us on our very first Marge topic. Stick and stay. We have so much more coming up on the Designers of Change Podcast.