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Jesus at the core
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On this week's episode Rev Richard Harris chat to Rev Lorna Martin to discuss this week's reading from 2 Timothy 2:8-15, and why Jesus should be at the core of everything that we do.
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Hello everyone. We're back to another episode of TUC Talks, Terrible Uniting Church Talks. It's our little lectionary chat about the reading that we had on Sunday and a conversation with someone to sort of see if I can dig a little bit deeper into the passage. And today I have the great pleasure of having Lorna Martin, or should I say, the Reverend Lorna Martin with me. Lorna Martin's fine. Hi everyone. You are the Reverend. It's a very go for the whole official. How are you today, Lorna?
SPEAKER_01I'm very well, thank you, Richard. Yes.
SPEAKER_00Excellent. So this week, everyone, we are looking at the reading from Sunday the 26th, isn't it? No, 23rd. 23rd. 23rd of August. And it is 2 Timothy 2, 8 to 15. Um, it's a I've got to say, this was a really hard passage for me to preach on on Sunday. Because I looked at it and I thought, it doesn't say that much, but I had to sort of dig in and try and work out what it was saying. Did you do any better than me, Lorna?
SPEAKER_01No, that's about all I got too. But it it has to be in the context.
SPEAKER_00Oh, the context is crucial here. And like what I was saying on Sunday, I think one and two Timothy. By the way, the more I have played with one and two Timothy, the first week that I did it, I said to people, there are some scholars that wonder whether it was Paul or not. Yes. Which is true. There are some scholars debate whether Paul wrote one and two Timothy. That's right. The more I read it, the more I am convinced. Sounds like him. It's gotta be Paul, doesn't it?
SPEAKER_01Parts of it anyway have to be from him.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. He's writing to a friend and he is writing heartfelt stuff, which is what he's doing here.
SPEAKER_01Who knows him intimately. Yes. They've traveled together, so they do know their quirks, if you like. Yeah. Personality.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so the more and more I read it, the more I'm convinced it has to be Paul, who's who's imprisoned for the gospel. Yes. What do you think he did to be imprisoned for the gospel?
SPEAKER_01I would probably say he just talks about the gospel, about Jesus Christ. He's gone from persecuting those who did. So now he's on the receiving end of it.
SPEAKER_00He's on the receiving end of the persecution that he was dishing out.
SPEAKER_01Exactly.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Like it really is interesting because he's and he wears it as a badge of honor. This badge of honor of I am a persecuted person for the gospel, is very clear. But I do love the way he basically says, But Timothy, you can do the same. You gotta do better than what you're doing. Yeah, yeah. He really, you know, yep, suck it up, Timothy, you might get persecuted as well, but that's a part of the gig.
SPEAKER_01I I think in some ways, if we look at Timothy as a kind of when you've had some of the uh ministers in first phase or third phase coming out of college, and you've been a mentor to them. And in some ways, that's perhaps what Paul's doing with Timothy, because of your experience, you mentor others to see the situation in a different light to what just the book text or the college text context was, and help them strive, you know, think beyond that because this is bigger than what you got at college, folks. It's the whole story is bigger.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, because to apply what we hear, like if we just leave the faith as a concept or a theory or an idea, we can hold it at arm's length. That's right. You know, yes, Jesus died for me, and I'll keep that out there and I won't let it touch me.
SPEAKER_01And he rose, but he's not here.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. So, you know, he rose from the dead, but that keep that out there, don't let it touch me. Paul is really saying this has to be integrated into your very existence. Yeah. You know, this is who you are.
SPEAKER_01And I think that being in a first world country like Australia, we don't have the concept of being challenged for our faith.
SPEAKER_00No, we don't.
SPEAKER_01If we were Muslim or Jewish, here in Australia you are a bit.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. At worst, at worst for no, I shouldn't say at worst, quite often the only sort of challenge of our faith is a little bit of uh we can be occasionally the butt of a joke.
SPEAKER_01Yes.
SPEAKER_00We can be embarrassed or been made fun of a little bit. But I don't see even that nowadays that much.
SPEAKER_01There's very little of that.
SPEAKER_00Back in the 80s and 90s, 2000s.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but no.
SPEAKER_00But not today as much.
SPEAKER_01We're not a country that persecutes Christians. Where some countries are, and that's where Paul would be more the reading then would be perhaps more comprehended.
SPEAKER_00Some of our brothers and sisters in India really are just really hard.
SPEAKER_01And Nigeria as well.
SPEAKER_00Nigeria, yeah, like there are some places where it is very hard to actually stand up for your faith. But Paul here is saying that is a part of what we need to do. We need to be unwavering with standing for our faith.
SPEAKER_01And and sometimes we have to stand up when we see injustice as Christians and following the way of Christ, we do have to speak up. And it can be at a cost. I mean, people have gone down to Parliament House to oppose different bills or situations, and some of them have been arrested.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. And I can remember a couple of years ago there was some protests about um coal mining in in Australia, and they were actually doing some um some canoes out into Newcastle Harbour. Yes. Did you see that Uniting Church minister who was 98, I think, at the time? That's right, in his granddaughter's canoe.
SPEAKER_01And proud to have been arrested. And yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it was his first time for battle. I think he was in his 90s. I f I can't forget.
SPEAKER_01Late 80s, 90s, anyway. He was well into his.
SPEAKER_00I think he was well in his 90s, but it was just this beautiful image of this bloke that was a United Church minister. Yeah. First time he'd been arrested, but he was proud to be holding a line about a stand. And it was it wasn't just a left-wing protest. He firmly believed in what he was. This was an act of faith.
SPEAKER_01That's right, yes. It was an act of faith. A stand that we have to make at times for others. Um, yeah, the impact on him perhaps wouldn't be as great, but on other generations, and that is where he was standing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And and it we get caught in a confusing situation where mining is something that we do still rely on, and yet how do we do it responsibly? And there are people's jobs and lives affected, no matter which way you look at it, it's a huge mess. But we do have to take a stand and say, but we need to think about this and can do better.
SPEAKER_00There is many things. No, I think so often we can't we try to simplify things. Mining is one of those issues that we can't simplify. We need minerals. Like, you know, we go people are going to electric vehicles out of an environmental attitude, which is great. But but you still need to mine to build those. You still need all of those things we can't we can't simplify it down to a good bad.
SPEAKER_01We have to it's the same as um wood fires. We don't like people having wood fires these days.
SPEAKER_00Well, I love my wood fires.
SPEAKER_01I know well I do too. We haven't got one, but uh we grew up with it. But yeah, it's the trees and whatnot. And yeah, it's how do we balance it?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, for me, like if I need to justify my wood fire, which I I uh we are we're in a rural setting, so there's no house next door that the smoke just goes straight over onto. Um but also we heat our house from timber from our property, so yeah, you know, there's no there's no carbon miles in a sense to get to get that.
SPEAKER_01And and it's using the residual wood that's on the ground and stuff like that. But part of what Timothy's having to do, or Paul's telling Timothy, is he's one of the leaders now. Yes. So you have to step up and really be more proactive in what it is you're teaching, because some of the teaching isn't right, or you're taking a back seat and letting it happen.
SPEAKER_00Because look, the context again, Paul is writing to a community, and the if the Ephesian church, from what I can understand, there were some there that were trying to draw that church away from Christ. And I know that we said we think, my goodness, you can't draw a church away from Christ.
SPEAKER_01It's the the early stages of the church, and they were still trying to work out what they believe, how they believe it, and what they say, and what you should do, because a lot of them were Jews, yes, and even though they're now moving into you know other faiths or other countries and areas, it's still coming back to the core. Jesus himself was a Jew.
SPEAKER_00Yes, and Paul is basically saying you've got to come back to Jesus. Yeah, and I actually think that that was one that was the heart of what my sermon was about on Sunday. You've got to come back to Jesus, and all the time we've got to see that as the core because there's so many other things that we can get really passionate about. Um I have seen churches tear themselves apart about pews. Well, yes, exactly. You know, and tear themselves apart about music. Someone, one time I I know of a minister that moved the communion table. I know it was it was the and they didn't seek permission, and they moved the communion table, and the world fell apart, and like possibly it was an unwise act. You don't move the communion table without chatting with someone, but that that kind of stuff there is a reason why people are so passionate about it, but it is not Jesus. No, no, Jesus is the heart of why we do this.
SPEAKER_01It's a bit like some people are passionate about uh the communion table should have nothing on it but religious elements like a candle across your communion elements. Don't put your purse on it. Yeah, no, Bible's okay, but don't put your purse or another book or your keys. That's a no-no. And some get really passionate about it. And my question to them is why?
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And and if it comes back to, well, this is a table that is special because it helps me come closer to Jesus, I can cope with that easier than, well, it's because we never were allowed to do it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, we yeah. Like it's we we've got to come back to that thing of Jesus is at the core of it, and we can so easily get distracted into other things, and think other things can become more and more important, yeah. And and then eventually we're more passionate about the environment than we are Jesus, and we've missed the point of why we're passionate about something. That's right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah. So that was Which is where then divisions come in, our churches.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01Because we're and the words that are creating the divisions, which he mentions as well.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, Paul does talk about don't get stuck on those.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, don't get stuck into those debates that aren't going to take you anywhere, really.
SPEAKER_00And I think that what he's actually talking about there is again going down that pathway of philosophies and ideas and and arguing about that stuff rather than going back to Jesus.
SPEAKER_01I mean, one of the things I like about now as opposed to when I was growing up, um growing up in Canada, okay. I went to school with Catholics because the there wasn't separate schools. Here in Australia, you have them. And in one of the places I was ministering, said, Oh, we we were doing something ecumenic. Say them when they're I used to throw rocks at them when I went to school because they're Catholics. And we've we've moved on now to the point where we can say, we're Christians, and Jesus is the thing that holds us together, even though we do some things differently. Yeah, I don't fully agree on it. We we're moving to what Paul's trying to say. Think about why you're doing this and who you're doing it with and for.
SPEAKER_00I think that unity around Jesus is really important, and and uh for us as a church community, like Terrigo Uniting Church is a very diverse group of people.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_00But we've got to remind ourselves constantly that the heart of what we're about is Jesus. Right.
SPEAKER_01And the heart of his message is love and acceptance, reconciliation.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01And we avoid some of those elements. Do you know what I mean? Reconciliation in particular is one that's often difficult. Have whether it's with another culture or indigenous people, or just because you've done something to hurt me, it's hard to bring that reconciliation, but it's coming back when we come back to the faith in Jesus, then that changes the way you approach it.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I I did like that Paul after he'd talk after he'd talked about look, this is the core of our faith, he actually goes on to quote a song. Yeah, that hymn. Yeah, that hymn. And I think that that is it's a beautiful, it's a beautiful well, we assume it's a hymn, by the way. I don't know if it's a big thing.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I don't know if it was a it was a poem or a hymn.
SPEAKER_00That's what I yeah, kind of like a lot of the scholars would say we think it's a hymn. So they don't they can't sort of say it is, no, but they sort of say that they think it is. And what they what Paul says is if we die with him, we also live with him. If we end up in hardship, we will reign with him. If we deny him, he will deny us. If we are unfaithful, he remains faithful, for he cannot deny who he is. There are two spots that I want to ask questions. You know the first one. If we deny him, he will deny us. Do you want me to tell you what I one of the commentaries said just so that I can give you one out and then you can jump on this one? One of the commentaries said I don't that they didn't know what it actually meant, but we shouldn't jump too quickly to if you deny Jesus, God will deny you, because Peter denied Jesus. Exactly. Look what exactly three times Peter said, I don't know who he is. And at the other end of that, on the on the night that Jesus died on the cross, you know, Peter did that three times, but at the other end of it, Jesus forgives him.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00What do you think it's meant by deny there?
SPEAKER_01I I think part of it is if we deny Jesus, then he deny Jesus denies us. Is when we deny him when we're in conversations or in situations where we don't stand up, then it is as if he has been denied. We've denied him. And so, yes, he doesn't get to actually have the the acclamation. And so he stands aside and lets us do that. Do you know what I mean? I may not, I'm it's just another way of looking at it. No, but like Jesus is respectful enough not to force upon himself. Yeah, we have the free will. Yeah, we have the free will to to step aside. Uh, mind you, anytime I've done it, because I won't say I'm perfect by any stretch, the the overwhelming kind of guilt or feeling of, oh my gosh, what have I done? And being able to just come back to him knowing he will be received. I mean, if you think of families, sometimes if you really hurt a member of your family, a parent or something, they won't have anything to do with you again. There is that stepping aside. I won't have anything to do. But often when I've been in counseling with them, I've said, but if you don't keep the door open, yeah. And I think God always keeps the door open.
SPEAKER_00I think God always keeps the door open. Yeah, I do struggle with what it means by if we deny him, he do not will deny us. Yeah. Because I don't believe that that ever means that God will say, gee, I don't know Lorna. Lorna doesn't know me, I won't, I don't know her. I just forget her. Yeah, I don't think that God does that. I think I do like the idea of it being God respecting our denial. I I don't know what it means, but I think I think that the last part is probably got something to say here. If we are unfaithful, he remains faithful. That's right, for he cannot deny who he is.
SPEAKER_01So And God is always faithful.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Like so, so even if we turn from God, God won't God won't be unfaithful to us.
SPEAKER_01And and I mean the heritage of the Jewish, the Israeli people, is they were continually denying God. Over and over again through their history. They would deny God, move away from God, worship other gods. And God would okay.
SPEAKER_00Draw them back.
SPEAKER_01Draw them back again. I for a while it was kind of like, I'm so frustrated with you, like a parent, you know, go and do it, you'll see. But draws them back every time and takes them back every time and does something to draw them back, to bring them back to their promised land.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So I I suppose I see that I think that that last section of that song, you know, if we if we are unfaithful, God remains faithful or Jesus remains faithful, and he cannot deny who he is. I actually think that must have some kind of balance to if we deny God, God will deny us.
SPEAKER_01It's a bit like in our creed. Um, I believe in the forgiveness of sins.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01You know, that's something that we say as a statement of faith in our Apostles' Creed and the Nicene Creed and acknowledging we do sin.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01But I believe that we have that opportunity to come back again. That yeah.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. So for me, one of the things that I said in the sermon on Sunday is that I actually think that it's a song of commitment. Yeah. You know, and like there are so many songs that we as a church sing that are beautiful songs and are songs of commitment, but I think state things probably more firmly than we would actually, you know, all to Jesus I surrender. I surrender all. Is that yeah? Do I really surrender everything that I have and um do I try to, you know, my intent might be to surrender all, but but I do I really live that out in complete yeah, and look, probably some of our younger people that listen to the podcast will go, I don't know that song, but it was a song hidden in the 80s.
SPEAKER_01That's right. That's right. Yeah, you know and it's a bit like a lot of the old hymns that for some of the older members, more senior members of the congregation, it speaks to them because of those words and things like that that resonate with them. But today there are other songs that that are resonating with with others, and it's the songs we sing they sp they speak in absolutes.
SPEAKER_00That's right, yes. And and although that is our intent as a Christian, our intent is quite often an absolute intent. There are very few of us that can function in the absolutes.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01And Paul's encouraging Timothy in that, because he's obviously not husband.
SPEAKER_00Paul is the absolute, isn't he?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. I mean, he's still struggling with it too, to be honest. It's true. But but I mean, in a way with him saying get back to Jesus, he himself had to do that.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01When he's pulling them, get get out of the the argument, even, of you know, living as Jews and whatnot, drawing them back to that. He had to move away from that himself.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That and so the songs do the same thing. They create a this is the perfect picture, but we're not there.
SPEAKER_00That's true. We're not there. And and it will take us a lot to get there, I think, is really an honesty for us. You know, it many of our songs, if we if we look at them, they are they are our ideal. Yes.
SPEAKER_01It's what we attain. That's what we work to. We as Christians, as a community of faith.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01But no church, and I don't know that any person has made it. As we say, Jesus supposedly is the only perfect.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That's right. Which I think is probably a helpful reminder to us when it comes to reading this passage of scripture.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00Because this passage of scripture, Paul is talking in absolutes. Yes. And Then he's quoting a song that speaks in absolutes. Yeah. And he's encouraging Timothy to live and present this absolute. That's right. But the honest truth of it is sometimes we're not as perfect as we would like to be. That's right.
SPEAKER_01And I mean, at the end where it says, you know, uh, be a worker who has no need to be ashamed. And I think of the church, we think, well, we shouldn't be ashamed to be the church and following Jesus. But members of our church and leaders of our church have done some horrific things that, yeah, we aren't perfect as a church.
SPEAKER_00That's right. We're not perfect.
SPEAKER_01And we do need to be reminded of that now and then. We need to be pulled up and say, hey, hold on, hold on. Where's your focus?
SPEAKER_00Because it's an aspiration, isn't it, to actually live out that.
SPEAKER_01And you get so zealous about it or excited about it, as you said, you forget what you're, you know, the environment, but you forget why you're actually doing it.
SPEAKER_00Well and I think if you read through that Bible passage, let's face it, it's not a huge passage. It wouldn't take you that long to have a quick look at it. If you read through the Bible passage, I think if we read it and look at it and ask ourselves, how much do I apply this? How much can I apply this to who I am?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00And and try our best. Yeah. You know, though those words in that poem or song, they should actually be lived out as best we can. That's right. You know, if we die with Christ, we also live with him. Like if we if we commit ourselves to Christ in in Christ's death, we die with him. That's what baptism is about.
SPEAKER_01That's what it's about, yeah.
SPEAKER_00So when we when we do the immersion baptism.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and you come out, you have died, and you now come out new.
SPEAKER_00So people you some people might not know this imagery, but with a baptism when you go under the water, we're talking about you being buried and dying with Christ, and as you rise up out of the water, you are a new being. You are washed clean, you are a new person, you are alive again.
SPEAKER_01In Christ.
SPEAKER_00In Christ. That's right.
SPEAKER_01Yeah.
SPEAKER_00And so so when that song here in this passage is saying we die with him, we also live with him, it's actually playing with that image of baptism. And if we endure hardship, we reign with him. That's right. And and Paul actually was very strong about that right through his life.
SPEAKER_01Oh, yes, very much so. He he was an full-on 100% on anything he was doing prior to becoming a follower and afterwards. He was just flat out to the extreme.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and and he would say that in in enduring the suffering, he is actually aligning himself with Christ. Christ suffered for me, and I will suffer with and for Christ.
SPEAKER_01That's right. And I won't complain about it, even if it's painful.
SPEAKER_00And it's true, he doesn't complain about it, but he does tell everyone about it quickly.
SPEAKER_01He does let everyone know what he's doing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, in his letters, he is he's regular at telling people that he is suffering.
SPEAKER_01Yep. Yep.
SPEAKER_00Then we have that really tricky part that I don't really know how to read it.
SPEAKER_01Deny, he will deny us.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, if we deny him, he would deny us. It it does need to challenge me though. Like it needs to challenge me in that I should never deny Jesus in my life. You know, yes, if I do, if I am like because let's face it, Peter never meant to deny Jesus.
SPEAKER_01No, no, it wasn't his intent.
SPEAKER_00In fact, I I love that story with Peter. Because for those that don't can't remember the the story, it's the night that Jesus is betrayed and the night that he goes to be arrested. Peter. It's when he's in the courtyard. A few chapters before he says, Let us go and die with you. For you, that's right. Yes. You know, Peter actually says, Let us go and die with Jesus. I think it's when Jesus turns towards Jerusalem. That's right. So we're talking about sort of five or six chapters before. Yeah. Peter actually says, I am prepared to die with Jesus. And so he goes with Jesus into Jerusalem. All the way. All the way. And so he is actually sort of, he's Peter is not someone that denies Jesus until that very end. And it just he crumbles at the last, but he doesn't crumble with intent. It's he just You get caught on the spot. Oh my gosh. Yeah, he gets caught on the spot. Yeah. He really. And so in a sense, I wonder if we if we pick that passage, if we deny him, he will deny us. If it's if it's more about the intent of I intend to deny and reject Jesus, then Jesus will deny us. I don't know if that's probably more about it. Because Peter.
SPEAKER_01And and maybe he's talking about it, Paul's talking about his own faith journey.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01Because he denied Jesus all the way until the Damascus experience.
SPEAKER_00Oh, do you think it might be that he's talking about him pre-conversion?
SPEAKER_01If it's in part of a song, we don't know. Yeah. That's the thing. But he's drawn on it. But maybe he sees himself in that. Yes. As well.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, that could be true. Because there was a point where where Paul did deny Jesus.
SPEAKER_01Absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Like to the point that he actually tried to persecute the Christians. So he he did deny Jesus.
SPEAKER_01He did deny Jesus, yeah.
SPEAKER_00And then so in his own faith journey, and then eventually Jesus Jesus was not unfaithful to him. Jesus was faithful and drew him.
SPEAKER_01Why do you persecute me?
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_01That was his question. Why are you doing this to me? Because and and again, then Jesus is suggesting by doing it to the Christians, to my followers, you're doing it to me.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_00Gee, I could have actually turned this into a decent sermon if I had talked to you before headlon it.
SPEAKER_01I'll just throw this out now.
SPEAKER_00Like it's yeah. The passage is brief. It there's no doubt that this passage is brief, but it has some so much in it. Powerful images if we want to dig in. And I think sort of to go back and sort of to remind ourselves, we don't get caught up in the words or the philosophies or the theologies. We come back to or even the movements. Yeah. We come back to Jesus.
SPEAKER_01That's right. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00Um, Phil Rogers last week in our podcast, I thought he did it. He said so wonderfully, if you look at chapter one, verse 12, Paul actually says, I know in whom I believe. That's right. That's right. Paul actually, Paul does not believe in a theory or a philosophy.
SPEAKER_01And and I think I'm thinking of uh I know so many in our churches say, I wish we had the the old church of the past, you know, we had the big Sunday schools and da-da-da. My question as an educator is, and where are those children now? Some are in church, but a lot of them will say, Well, you taught me about Jesus, but you never taught me who he was.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And maybe that's what Paul is saying as well. We we do so much about teaching people different things or different ways, but do we actually help them get to know in that relationship?
SPEAKER_00To meet and experience Jesus.
SPEAKER_01Jesus for themselves, which with the baptism that you had last week, week before?
SPEAKER_00The week before, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Um, you know, had come to that point of really knowing and wanting that, requesting it for herself.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01That yeah, that yeah, obviously something's been right because that was a reality for them.
SPEAKER_00And one of the reasons why in the 10 o'clock service this week just gone, we had the children leading the first part of the service. Yep, because we want them to own that worship is not just a group of people worshiping near them, they are worshiping God as well.
SPEAKER_01When I was in, excuse me, when I was in Canada and a particular church in Toronto, Ontario, uh, responsible for all the children, and yeah. Sunday school grew big, that was great. But what we did every quarter, much as you're doing, we had them lead the worship. But they also did the sermon.
SPEAKER_00Oh.
SPEAKER_01And what I did was I worked with them to say, okay, what is a key thing that you've learned or discovered about Jesus or about following God, or that we want that you want, the children want the adults to know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01And it was amazing what they came out of with from what they were learning. That's a fabulous idea.
SPEAKER_00Not gonna do it here.
SPEAKER_01That's all right. You don't have to do it here. I'm glad you're doing what you're doing. But but it but it is wonderful at all. But um, do we even take time after the service to ask them what did they get in kids' church?
SPEAKER_00Yes, that's a really good point.
SPEAKER_01I mean, the adults can ask them, what was it you discovered today? We don't, we tend to let it that's happened in the past. That's true. That's true. So again, it's a way of why are we doing it? Why are we having quote kids' church?
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_01Are we passing on that belief in Jesus that's and that it's something that we it's a relationship and that we also share with one another, no matter of our age.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_01So I throw that in.
SPEAKER_00Thank you. Well, everyone, um this coming Sunday we roll on with a bit more of 2 Timothy, but there are a couple of things over this coming weekend. This weekend, 1.30. Is it 1.30? I do believe it is, is um on Saturday is the Taze service. Um, it's a great opportunity, the Taise service, just if for a time of reflection and prayer. Um, and then also um Repair Cafe is on this coming Saturday. Um, we'd encourage people to come along, even if they don't have anything to repair, come along and have a pizza or a cup of coffee. Chat with a few people. Yep, morning tea. Um, so that's on this weekend. And the only other thing that's on our horizon is in September the My Age Care Forum.
SPEAKER_01I'm gonna come to that.
SPEAKER_00You are?
SPEAKER_01Well, look, I probably I'm getting old.
SPEAKER_00I I should probably come just to sort of be reminded about some stuff for my mum because you know she's she's not in a nursing home at all, but and hopefully she's at least another 10 years away from that. She's only 93.
SPEAKER_01Um but even where she is on her own, there's things that can assist her. Yes, that's right. That how you click into that or get into that, because I'm yeah, endeavouring to do that for people.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. So that's the kind of thing that it's it's a really helpful, the MyAge Care Forum coming up in September is a really helpful thing to look at. Yeah. Um, so those are some of the things in the life of our church. And thank you so much for listening to our TUC Talks conversation. Thank you coming along, Lord. My pleasure. And um, we will talk again next week.
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