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GangboX Podcast Episode 15

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This episode is all about appreciate the work that we have going on in and around the Strip of Las Vegas.  From A's stadium to the Hard Rock that is going up and all the things that go into building these great Monuments around the city.  All Things Union All Things Building Trades

SPEAKER_00

Welcome to the Gangbox Podcast. We are back. All things Vegas. All things construction. All things union. It's the Vince and Daniel show today. No guest. No guest. Just me and you. I feel like it's been a while since we've been here.

SPEAKER_01

It's been a long fucking time, dude.

SPEAKER_00

We had some holidays come up or something?

SPEAKER_01

Holidays. I don't know. Travel, work travel, dude. There was some work travel sprinkled in there. Uh kids' sports. There's a lot of things that we do. A lot of things that we do. How you been? How you doing? Good, bro. I feel like I haven't talked to you in a couple days, maybe three or four days. It feels like it, even though it's not true. Yeah. But uh we had a good week, right? We had a good week. There's a lot of jobs. I hit a job I didn't even tell you. I went to four seasons without anybody. I went solo. Um saw there was like 60 fucking rodbusters out there, 416 brothers.

SPEAKER_00

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Um a few of them asked me to go visit. I went out there. I uh I dropped uh half non-union, half union. So but I got to see the brothers, dude. It was good. There were some dudes I haven't seen in like five, six years. There was some dudes looked a little older, some dudes looked the same. You know, it was uh it was fucking crazy to see some dudes that were apprentices when I was in the field or when I was the BA there to now like with the sheets in their bolt bag and shit, dude. I was proud of those motherfuckers, man. It's good shit.

SPEAKER_00

I don't like to talk about that job.

SPEAKER_01

Why?

SPEAKER_00

Because we're not good. Glazers are not good on that job.

SPEAKER_01

Like they're not good workers?

SPEAKER_00

What does it mean they're not good? No, it's the the job went bad. It's non-union, non-union exterior glass, and our group out of town, interior, non-union local company. Did you have contractors bid it? I did. I did, and I've been trying to reach out to the general contractor. Suffolk? Yeah, trying to set up a lunch. Doesn't want to apparently they just don't want to meet or they're not answering. Uh they've met with me once, uh, reached out via text message, said, Hey, let's have lunch. Um, no response. Then I I went to uh a different I went to a lunch to meet a different contractor once and just seen him there. Went to the table, said, Hey, I've been trying to reach out to you about lunch, you know, and he's like, Oh, uh, text me back. So right after that lunch, I text him and said, Hey, it was great seeing you today at the restaurant, uh, let's do lunch. And he just wrote back, Hey, great to see you too. So he doesn't want to meet, he doesn't want to. Who is he? Let's name drop Chris Anderson. So if if he doesn't want to meet, he doesn't want to meet, that's fine. Um is he like a PM? I don't know exactly what his title is, uh, but he doesn't want to meet, that's fine. Um, it's just I know what's gonna happen. There's gonna be actions on his project, and he's gonna reach out to me and be like, Why haven't you proved it? It's like, yeah, let's do it. What actions on action?

SPEAKER_01

Actions on the fucking job. We do more actions than anybody. I'm not saying you don't. That wasn't a knock on your union.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we do more actions than so. I mean, the like we will prove it. I mean, we have a history of of proving and we just did an action uh on Friday.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, where town uh Haas Automation. Oh, fucking F1 guys.

SPEAKER_00

So the glazing contractor is good on that project. I think the plumbers are good. Um, we have one good painting contractor, but the main um exterior painting contractor is not good.

SPEAKER_01

Why do you think it is that because you you you made a comment right now and said that you you guys do more actions than any other union?

SPEAKER_00

I think we do.

SPEAKER_01

I I would be in the building trades guy in southern Nevada. We're only talking about the South right now. Sure. Because we all know the North don't do fucking actions like this.

SPEAKER_00

We're starting. Yeah, you are pissing some people off up there too. Good.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, probably your own. Um not your own union, but other unions because they don't then it just exposed when you do work, it exposes how much everybody else doesn't fucking do. Facts. But my question is, and and I'm not wrong or saying people down in the south don't do actions or anything. Clip it! They're gonna be like, oh fucking Vincent, nobody does shit. No, that's not what the fuck I'm saying. But I know you guys put in more strike sanction requests that that act on it. People will put them put them to us um or send them to us, but you guys act on them a lot.

SPEAKER_00

Why do you think that is from your point of view? Um, I mean, uh, it's hard for me to understand the motives of any of the other organizations or or how they operate. Um, I know there's you know, there's thought processes on how effective strikes are. Um, some people think they're more effective uh than others. You know, I know like um I believe the carpenters, they they never do pickets ever. Um they only do actions, you know, banners and stuff. And so there's, you know, we've we've I think we've talked about this on on the podcast before, like the difference between a sanctioned strike and an and uh like uh an action. Um and you know, I just think different organizations do them different ways. I know our belief is uh that that's one of the the only tools that we have uh to put pressure um and and cause agitation. It is a we wanna we want to agitate, right? Agitates our own members, you know. I'll be honest. The one we did on Friday, I had my own member um call me upset because he was missing out a day at work, right? And so, you know, there's that thought process like, well, all you're doing is the non-union guys are gonna cross and go to work. It's the union guys that are missing out um on a day's pay.

SPEAKER_01

And uh Yeah, here's my thought, right? On that. Are you really missing a day? Because for every day you don't work, you have to make up. Sure. You're gonna fucking you're gonna make it up on the back end. The day's coming. And probably Saturday. Like, I probably got you time and a half without you even fucking realizing it. No, I get it. That's how that shit goes, dude.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, but I know like being um, you know, when I was out in the field, uh, you know, there was many a Fridays, it's typically a Friday. There's many a Fridays where I showed up for work and saw the picket signs and like I'm out. I don't care what union it is, I don't even really care if it says it's sanctioned or not. Like if there's a picket line in front of a gate, I'm not going. I mean, I remember there being a downtown project. Um, what was it called? It was right next to the El Cortez. I know the name has changed, so I can't remember what it's called now, but we showed up, they had two gates, right? So the two-gate system um is a tool that the contractor uses to try to make pickets less effective. And you know, there's two gates and they're picketing the the you know the non-union gate, and the GC is telling me and my crew, go to work, your gate's over there. They're not picketing your gate. And I was kind of I was a young, I think I was a mid-level apprentice, and I remember kind of looking around and looking at my my journeyman, and he's like, You see those brothers over there with signs? We ain't going through any fucking gate. Yeah. And I'm like, hell yeah, dude. You know, and so now with bigger projects, obviously it's really hard if they can two-gate it, and you know, you don't know which gate because you can't really move over to the other gate. And so there's lots of rules and and laws as to what you can do. Um, and you know, I think our organization, District Council 16, we you know, we we do these enough to know all of the rules and how effective we can be. Uh, and so when you have a project like uh the four seasons, a marquee job, towers coming out of the ground, you can see it from you know anywhere in the valley. You look over to uh to Henderson and you see the motherfuckers coming out of the ground, um and they have contractors that are paying below the area standard, um, obviously we're gonna have a problem with that, right?

SPEAKER_01

And so how much lower do you think they make than the area standard?

SPEAKER_00

I would say thirty percent.

SPEAKER_01

What and then so that's this is what I've learned, dude, when it comes because some people are like, oh, you know, the the non-union is so much cheaper. And and when when you try to explain to them, them being the owner or the end user, you could take a non-union reinforcing iron worker in Las Vegas. I don't know one that makes over 25 bucks an hour. Right, right? 25 bucks an hour where like the total package of a union rodbuster is over $80. And so people want to take that percentage and be like, this is how much cheaper it is. And I'm like, you're fucking wrong. That's just how much bigger the profit margin is for the owner because our signatory contractors are still missing the contract by like three to five percent. They're not winning it by 30%, you know?

SPEAKER_00

It's fucking crazy, dude. And and we're giving, you know, and after the action we had on Friday, we we went into the trailer and talked to the general contractor. Um, you know, and they they were super respectful. Um, so I went in there to say thank you, let them know, hey, we're picking up our trash, uh, we're cleaning up. I appreciate you guys being being respectful. And, you know, they asked, like, well, what's the what's the problem here? And I said, it's it's area standard. You know, our contractors have put in a responsible bid uh that we believe is fair and reasonable. And you're going with the bid that we believe is unfair and unreasonable off the backs of the workers. There is no one in this city in in Las Vegas that should be working out in this heat, performing this work for $22 an hour. What craft was it? It was paint, exterior painting. Like you just, it's just it's not reasonable, you know. Um, and the reason why this contractor won the bid is because in our belief, it's it's an irresponsible bid. It's a bid that was undercut off the backs of the workers, not off the profit margin by the contractors making probably more money than ours would. That's what I was saying, yeah. Um, and so that's that's it's a race to the bottom. And the one of the only tools we have to combat that is informing the public and informing the general contractor that we're upset about um about this practice.

SPEAKER_01

And so you guys did that. Did you did anybody talk to the non-union workers?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

It's funny, they they left. So the non-union workers didn't work out. It was it was it was windy in their exterior painters. So I don't know if it's maybe just too windy for them, but we're like, oh, that's sweet. Generally, the the the contractor that you're picketing doesn't leave, but on their way out, we stopped them, we talked to them, asked what they're making, let them know. Donuts um what we generally do is go back to the job site the next week um after an action. Uh we try to bring some food and some Gatorades for all the guys and just thank them for honoring the picket line and uh doing that. So it's was the contractor local? I do not believe so. I've never heard of this.

SPEAKER_01

These sound like prepared questions. I'm really curious.

SPEAKER_00

Uh a lot of the workers were not local. Um, so a lot of the workers were out of town. A few of them that we talked to as they were coming out, like you know, they're from Cali or or whatever. And so, you know, but the the contractor I do not believe is a local contractor, but I would have to ask my organizer.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's all good. No, that's good shit, man. What else we got? We got the hard rock. Um it's going, dude. It's uh it's looking good. I saw something on fucking Instagram and I sent it to Chop and fucking uh it was this lady, and she was like in on the sh on the Las Vegas Boulevard, and she was like, you know, I got fucking ADD or some shit, and she's like, This really pisses me off. She's like, look at the glass, look at the glass. And so it's like two shades of blue. Yeah. And then on the on the dark side, they put I'm sure it was just like a place piece of place holding glass, but they use one of the lighter pieces where it was supposed to be dark. Yeah. And she's like, This is fucking pissing me off. And I was like, good job, Chop. Way to fuck it up. I said something smart ass to him. But uh, no, dude, that's good. There's a lot of fucking lot of our friends on that project, dude. That's that's a uh that that project's gonna reshape the fucking the skyline of Vegas, just like the sphere did. I'm I'm excited for it. Watching that thing come out of the ground is pretty awesome, dude. It's it is gonna look cool. We're fucking dude, and like we talk about all the time, dude. We build cool shit here in Vegas, dude. We build the best shit, but better than anywhere in the fucking country, that's for sure. 100%. Yeah, dude. I don't know. Uh I know they're building a theater, right? Um on that project. What other fucking projects go on? Brightline's fucking pushed pause, brother.

SPEAKER_00

Out. Well, I think uh the same general contractor that was the GC for that dream project, right? And so that dream project shut down obviously a while ago and um McCarthy had to buy it, right? Or ended up getting it out of the deal. And so I think they've learned their lesson. They start seeing funding not come in and they're out. So I I guess they pulled off.

SPEAKER_01

Well, I don't know why you wouldn't want to own a parking garage and a hotel in my fucking real estate. I don't know. There you go. So I mean, I don't do you think it'll come back? I'm hopeful, dude. I mean, the conversations I'm having with people in Washington, DC, and people locally, Brightline, um, and like no disrespect to the contractors, but I think sometimes it it's sad because uh I'll have more information than them, which and then I I don't not that I don't keep it a secret from them. I don't think it's my business to tell. I think that's between the owner and the and the GC to discuss. But I think so, dude. I mean, look, I I have my my thought process with Brightline is if that thing doesn't move in like three months, I'll start to get concerned. Right now I'm not really concerned. I think that they're doing the responsible thing. And it wasn't that the contractor pulled the plug only. It's my understanding that they were like, hey, let's make sure that we have the sh the funding more like more solid. Yeah. So that it doesn't end up like Dream, right? Where they're they are owed. I think all the bills are paid, I think all the contractor, I don't think that there's any negative things happening. So I think that the I think the Brightline folks are doing the responsible thing by pushing pause versus letting the well run dry and then losing everything, right? So I think it's a I think that that's what I think, bro. I I honestly feel that if in three months from now, what in April, May, June, July, I think if by like the end of July, mid-July, if there's still no progress, I I would start to I'm gonna start getting fucking worried.

SPEAKER_00

Do we know what happened? Because I mean that was a a job funded through the infrastructure bill, right?

SPEAKER_01

Part of it. They got their money from that part, but I think that I think the cost prices went up. I mean, it could be tariffs, it could be the the the fact that it was so fucking project was so ongoing and took so long. Material doesn't even you know this as well as I do. People could bitch about labor costs. We both know it's not fucking labor cost, bro. Material cost, even over the last four years, has gone up fucking. I mean, we could put it in perplexity and ask, you know, ask Chat GBT what the fuck construction material has gone up over the last fucking five months. You know what I mean? Let's see. Where's our Jamie? We need a Jamie, dude.

SPEAKER_00

Where's Aaron? Well, and that's always my argument in negotiations, right? And I mean that you know, every time we're in negotiations and we're with contractors, they're always like, well, if you want more money, what am I gonna get for that money? And I'm like, and I always say, like, listen, your material goes up. You buy a gallon of paint or you buy uh a sheet of fucking um plywood and the cost of the plywood goes up. Did your sheet get bigger? No, the cost of fucking plywood went up. So guess what? The cost of our labor just went up. You can get the same fucking thing for more money, just like all of your fucking material that you pay for. That and dude, truth be told, with modern technologies, you are getting a better worker. 100%. We have we our production rate has increased so dramatically compared to what we used to make. It's it's shocking.

SPEAKER_01

And that's crafts all across the board. That's not just your three, that's um iron workers and sprinkler fitters and roofers and everybody, dude. Everyone's production has gone up. I think that's why sheet metal ran that bill to have their shop uh fabricators be um prevailing wage when it's prevailing wage jobs and shit. And all they were trying to do was codify the thing. Um, whatever.

SPEAKER_00

Let's see here. ChatGPT says in the last two years, construction material costs have gone up roughly between five and ten percent. Five and ten percent over the last five years.

SPEAKER_01

That's a big difference. It's double. Yeah. Ten percent, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, no, I'm saying be the difference between five and ten, but I think yeah, I mean, I think it's like copper, wire is copper and wire is twenty percent, steel is thirteen percent, aluminum is twenty percent, right? And then other cheaper construction, so that's why I think it's between five and ten, just because of the variance. It's a lot, dude. That is crazy, man. So then if the cost of the material, so then the Bright Lines got the funding from the feds, it's the private. What was requested, I think.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, I think they're trying to lock in the private portion, from my understanding. And I talked to the president of Brightline, and she asked me not to speak on a few things and some things to speak on.

SPEAKER_00

So what about um I mean look, we have hard rock going right now. I mean, that's the only thing keeping my members working. Uh obviously Brightline shut down. A Stadium A's, dude. That's got some guys on it. It's got some guys and girls on it, believe me.

SPEAKER_01

Guys and girls. Yeah. Yeah, thanks, Daniel. Sorry. And then go, don't cancel me. Don't cancel me. Clip this. I'm just like and I'm done. Yeah. He's out of here. Yeah. Um, no, so we got uh people on the A's that I think is gonna be good um for us, dude. I fuck, dude. Uh we were looking at some of the seats and things, and uh I mean the tickets are gonna be affordable uh for locals. I'm excited for it. Um but the people working there right now, dude. I'm worried about all of these jobs when they end, what's gonna happen?

SPEAKER_00

Right. Well, because that's my point, right? I mean, we have we have hard rock, um, we have A's, Bright Line is kind of wishy-washy, and then what? What is there? Like generally, you know, when we have a big project like hard rock and A's, there's all these other little things going on. And you know, we should be busier. Did your paint guys bid the job, the Haas? Oh, yeah. And your glass guys bid four seasons? Yes. Now it went through like three or four different general contractors. So where they bid to which GC at which time, I'm not sure. But at the end of the day, the NR group is an out of state fucking contractor coming in town. I've asked the GC where are they getting their workforce from? They don't know. So it's like I to me it's unacceptable. It's just absolutely unacceptable. Um, you know, we've had some some issues with that contractor around the country. And so what we're we're not gonna sit back and do nothing. That's not a that's not a no that's not an option. You can't do that, yeah. So I mean it's it's what we do. We have to we have to do something. But yeah, I'm I'm concerned for the future. Me too. You know, it sucks. It seems like there may be an opportunity that we build an NBA stadium sometimes.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But when's that gonna happen? You're fucking more awake than I am. I'm forgetting about all this shit because I'm thinking about uh other things. But we got uh we got the NBA stadium. I know that MGM wants to just fucking revamp T-Mobile. T Mobile looks old as fucking. Fuck that. Yeah, fuck that. We don't do that shit. We build stadiums, we build motherfucking monuments, cool dude. This dude, no, we need we need to build a fucking new stadium. And I I obviously the the space right next to the old where old Wet n Wild used to be. Uh dude, did you ever go there? Hell yeah, dude. It was badass. The Dara Stuka? Come on, player, dude. I I used to like that fucking place, but uh yeah, right in between the Sahara and Fountain Blue, I think is a prime spot for that place. Well, and there was also discussions at the Rio site, right? I heard that. I heard that, which is dope, which would be good, dude. I mean a lot of space over there. I thought the Rio was down and out, bro. But it uh I went to the comedy cellar over there, dude. I love going to the fucking comedy cellar at the Rio. Uh bro, it it was it was fucking jumping. I granted it was like a bunch of cowboys and shit. I think it was for like the rodeo was in town. But that place was fucking alive, dude.

SPEAKER_00

I thought it was dead. They got some new owners a few years ago. They put some money into it, right? They redid the whole exterior, redid the lights.

SPEAKER_01

I went to uh uh a lunch in there. Um my boy Tony Sanchez was getting honored from St. Cristal Reviator. Um, so I went to go watch him get his award. And uh, same thing, dude. I was like, I was super impressed. The place is becoming better.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no, they're they're putting money into it.

SPEAKER_01

Because I went once, it was a motherfucking coast town, dude. It went down. I hope I would like to see him bring that fucking parade back. Like through the casino? Yeah, they have the track system still up. I was looking at it, and they would have like a Mardi Gras parade.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, that was back when like there was cool shit in Vegas, like cool little things like that. It's just it's all become so corporate and the same. Like it's all the same. Every casino's the same, they all look the same, they all act the same. It used to be very nostalgic, right? There was all these different brands of of things and themes. Yeah, yeah. Everything had a theme. Yeah, and it was cool, you know.

SPEAKER_01

It was cool, and it's just Vegas has gotten away from that. Do you yeah? I don't know. I think we should everyone says the same thing, dude. I don't think it's ever gonna happen, but like at least parking for locals, like fucking charging us for parking sucks, dude. I mean, if our elected officials could do fucking anything, give us that, you know, give us free parking. No, but instead you get people that fucking want to charge for parking in the arts district.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

And all those businesses, you know, we were talking about doing a parade or something down there, and I'm like, this is interesting. And they were like, hey, go talk to the businesses about seeing if it's okay if you do a parade. And the fucking biggest complaint that when we were talking to the small businesses because of a fucking parade, yeah, I'm like, hey man, I'm just trying to fucking throw some candy and make some floats, go down the street. But all the businesses were bitching about how much business they're losing from paid parking. So I'm sure that like now I think I think it's free during lunch hours or some shit, but still, dude, like well, downtown the paid parking is what city revenue, I'm assuming.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, does the city does the city need that revenue? Is that something like that?

SPEAKER_01

Well, so they can keep building non-union shit downtown, I guess. Yeah, they don't they don't give a fuck, dude. Then that's like you know, I'll say there's two people I think on the city council that give a fuck about construction workers. Well, one on the city council and then the mayor. I think the mayor does fucking truly care. I've met with her multiple times. Shout out Mayor Berkeley, uh, Vegas legend, um, and Francis Allen, Polanski. I think those are the only two that actually give a shit about construction. Everyone else on the city council, they they pretend. But again, I we said we're not gonna get into politics. I don't want to get into it. And fucking it's hard not to, dude. It is, but what does that say about us? What does that say about what we do? Then we need to fucking be doing more. Let's talk about boxing and the southern Nevada building trades. Sportsman's Alliance. What a long fucking title. Battle of the Trades, brother. You guys got people fighting?

unknown

No.

SPEAKER_01

Why?

SPEAKER_00

I don't know. We could have. I know we had a couple guys that wanted to, and then I think it just didn't train. You need to let them. Yeah. I'm there's no I don't have a problem.

SPEAKER_01

Give the people what they want, Daniel. You're gonna have a lot of fighters, huh? Bro, we got like 43 fucking fighters. There's people coming from all over the country. Believe it or not. I'm not fucking kidding. It sounds dramatic.

SPEAKER_00

Is the what's the what's the venue that this time?

SPEAKER_01

It's at a at a community center up uh on the west side. Yeah. Ballad of the trades.

SPEAKER_00

Battle of the trades.

SPEAKER_01

Let me let me look it up.

SPEAKER_00

Last year it was at Sah the Sahara, right?

SPEAKER_01

The Sahara, and then they fucking were doing then right after they did all the renovation on Union. So our guys were like, no, fuck this. And I agree. Like, I was like, yeah, no. It was dope though to have the little like have little kids so excited to fight on Las Vegas Boulevard. It was like uh I remember one dude, he he was uh he was a um a member who fought and he was like dude this is a fucking dream come true. Like how many people could say they actually boxed on the Las Vegas strip? Yeah, that's right. And I was like, dude, that's good stuff, man. You got you pulling up Battle of the Trades? No, save the date, Battle of the Trades. Yep, April 25th, 2026, 12 o'clock, 2900 North Torrey Pines. Yeah, dude. It's gonna sell out, right? The spectator tickets. So we have 600, it seats 600, 550. I purchased 600 tickets just because I don't think people are gonna go. And we've sold 300 tickets already. It's crazy. We need a bigger venue. I'm thinking about doing that at the Virgin next year because I went to the um LAPD versus Metro. Yeah. Shut up fucking Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department, dude. Those dudes, from what I've seen, I still I watched six fights. Yeah. And uh also uh one Metro guy lost. Uh Luis, the apprentice, the iron worker apprentice we had, he he he was a fill-in, and so he was fighting out of center ring boxing, and uh he fucked up the cop. Really? Yeah, he did good. That kid is a fucking animal, bro. I'm so proud of him. I'm fucking very proud of him. But from what I've seen, bro, uh Metro beat the shit out of LAPD, bro. That's really that's what I what I seen. Like I said, I watched six fights minus the Louise, so I seen five. And uh, dude, Metro held their own against uh LAPD. Shout out McMahill. Shout out Kevin McMahil, dude. He he's getting unopposed. Um no, it's all good, man. It's all good. I I think uh what else we have? So we have the boxing, it's our biggest event by far, bro. It's it's our hardest event to put together. Um I will tell you that because here's the thing, people don't know about it. It's it's literally sanctioned through the Athletic Commission. Um it's they all have to get their amateur boxing cars through USA boxing. Then we have to, if you're over 40, you have to go get an EKG, you have to get like a physical. Um, everyone has to get a physical, but if you're over 40, you have to get an EKG. Then we have to match you with your age, your weight, and your boxing records. Because some people already have amateur, um, most of them don't. It's I would say in that this is our third year, and out of the three years we've done this, only three fighters have had previous amateur fights, and it was when they were kids.

SPEAKER_00

Do these do these matches count as an amateur fight? Yeah, yeah, that's why you have to get your amateur book. So as as this event keeps going and people keep continuing to fight, then these our rank and file guys that are doing this are just gonna start wrapping up amateur fights.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. I think right now there's only 5-2-5 and Lyuna are the only ones that have returning fighters. So they have like two in one records or one in one or one in O. Um but I mean look, man, it's been 5-2-5 and and and the labors have both won it. So the way we do it is basically whoever has the most fights wins. Like that's the union that wins the belt.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01

We don't give belts to individual fighters. You're a fucking amateur, like you get a you get a little medal, you get a medal. And uh and so yeah, the local that with the most wins gets the belt. Now, uh last year, Donald uh he was like, hey, plumbers won, plumbers won. And then we rechecked the numbers, and it was like, no, it was a tie again between the labors and the plumbers. Oh but I think he was just having a little favoritism because now he's a He's a plumber.

SPEAKER_00

He's a plumber. Wow, do you start connecting the dots? Because he wasn't a plumber at the time, right? No, but then all of a sudden he got in. Grilled cheese Donnie. Wow, grilled cheese Donnie. There, I think there should be an investigation. There is. I went through his backpack one time. Yeah. Let me guess. Was there grilled cheeses in there? 12 grilled cheeses in his backpack, dude. Fucking Donald D.

SPEAKER_01

Shout out to the apprentice. I think he's making them at night. He does he makes them at night.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. But he's he's probably he's an apprentice now, right? Out in the field. No, he's an apprentice, dude. He's doing really good, dude. He's doing really, really good. Good joke, but I'm I'm happy for him.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, he knows it's love, dude. He knows it's love, dude. He's I love that kid. He's like uh it's good to watch him grow, bro. Like him. Ed on. I was talking to Edon yesterday uh at Lou's Walk, and uh I was watching Edon Do his thing, bro. I was watching him from afar, man. That motherfucker's putting in the work to watch. It's just like the field, bro, watching them grow, watching them do their thing and turn turning into um I think something that they didn't even think they were capable of doing. You know what I mean? It's it's giving them the courage and the and the room to grow um and giving them the confidence. And like I said, we joke around. I don't joke with it on the way I joke with Donald, sure. Just like I don't joke with Robin, the way I joke with everyone. Like, you know, you you I keep certain things just fucking completely different and locked in, and I think it's just life experience, dude. I was smoking a cigar the other day with somebody, an old elected official who's no longer um there, they've been out of office for a while, and I was talking to him and dude, it was great, man. I I just I love smoking a cigar and just fucking hanging out with people because it's almost like you get to relax, right? And he was telling me, I was asking him questions, and then I was like, you know, how did how do you think you learn this thing? I said, because I I learn I feel like everything I've done in my past has prepped prepped me for now, and everything that gets thrown at me now is all things I've dealt with in the past, and it's just life is life experience. And he goes, Yeah, that's 100% right. And he's like, I've you know, people have asked him, like, hey, teach me what you do, and he's like, I I can't teach you. These are just all blocks of everything I've done in my life and has set me up for success, you know, today. And and it's true, bro. And I think that's why, like, even with my son and your kids, right? Like, giving them the space to make mistakes and grow. Now, sometimes it gets I to tell my son, like, holy fuck, dude, like you know better than that. Like maybe I gave you too much space, so I gotta fucking take it away. Right. And I think when we do that and you don't fucking smother them, it gives them room to grow, right? Because we learn from our mistakes, dude. 100%, you know, you have to.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I mean, that's you know, my I tell members all the time and and my apprentices, like, you know, everything that I know of my craft and my trade that I really have memorized and locked down where I can spit it out is because I fucked it up. That's why I know it so good, right? Yeah, I mean, the only reason why I know it so well is because it is, you know, ingrained in my mind. You know, we have floor closers that we put in the ground that doors sit on and swing and they get cemented into the ground, right? We pour rock them in and chip out a half a dozen of them motherfuckers because you put them in the wrong spot. You are gonna memorize where those motherfuckers go moving forward, right? And so, you know, my daughter who's in cosmetology school, my oldest, 19, you know, she's like gets kind of nervous when people come in and she has to learn them. I tell her, I go, you have to fuck them up. Like, you gotta fuck it up. You're going to, and and then you're gonna know for the rest of your life how to not do that again. But until you fuck it up, you're never gonna know. So just start fucking up now. Yeah, you know, like get them out and start go, you know. I mean, it's it really is a positive that it's hard for some people to understand that making mistakes can be a positive. But if if as long as you learn from it, it's the most positive thing we have in life. It's learning from it.

SPEAKER_01

And I I had this conversation too when I went to go talk to those rodbusters. It's like know your audience. You can't treat every apprentice the same. Some people do well with tough love, other ones will shut down. I mean, you gotta get to know them though, right? And it's not do what I say. So if somebody fucks up, no, I'm a huge fan of letting people fuck up, right? And seeing how they respond and react and putting them under the pressure cooker sometimes. And I was messing, uh I was messing with somebody at Louise Walk, dude. Oh, Lou's walk was pretty dope. I heard I was messing with someone over there, and they started getting nervous, and then they like dropped their sign and they dropped their lid, and I was like, pick up your fucking tools, what are you doing? They start scrambling around, and I start laughing, and I was like, hey man, like it's all good. I don't know like why you're getting so fucking nervous. Like, we're just playing around. Yeah. And uh, yeah, I pulled him to the side later and I was like, hey dude, I was just fucking with you. Like, I I want you to know, and he's like, No, no, I know. And he's it was it was it was a good time, but I get getting to know him and then going up to him after, like putting a little pressure on him, seeing him fumble around and being like, hey, it was all love. Like, he's like, Oh, I know, I know. Um, and then being able to ask him, like, why did you get nervous? Like, what was wrong? Was it because of him? Was it him? He's like, I just I've never been around this many um like union leaders and shit. And I was like, it's all good, dog. Like, none of that fucking matters, like, who cares? But Luz Walked Lou's walk was good. I heard it went well, dude. Dude, he said he hit like 4,000 doors in one day. It was over 80 fucking volunteers. It was insane, dude, the amount of people that were there. It was dope. Assembly district one. Assembly district one.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, dude. We need more, we need more. I mean, I know we try not to get political, but we need more people to run. We need more labor people to run. We have quite a few running right now, and it's it's important because we got the shit kicked out of us at the last session, and we've just been talking about where the other jobs are coming from, where the jobs are gonna come from. We're worried about what's gonna happen when these few jobs we have. A movie studio would be fucking amazing.

SPEAKER_01

I need you to go up there for 50 days. There's a hundred there's 120. Go up there for 50. Modern technology. I feel like you could take your work on the road with you and you could sit up there for 50 days so you could see what it's like. That ain't even half the session, so just 50. That's crazy. I think you could do it, dude.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe. I mean, I know we're you know, we want to run some bills. I know uh shout out Mike Greenley, he's our my uh political. The Viking. He's a Viking, dude. He's a Viking. I like that. Yeah, he's cool, dude. He's cool.

SPEAKER_01

I think you guys have some of uh and and again, not playing favorites or anything like that, but like uh James Boster's cool, Mike Greenley's cool, yeah, the big boss, Robert Williams.

SPEAKER_00

Fucking possible guy. I love my leadership team. And and look, I'm sure Mike Greenley will uh, you know, we're gonna run some shit this session. Um, I know he sent me some stuff to start looking at. Um, and so yeah, I I have no doubt that uh I'll probably be up there with him for some time to try to get some shit done.

SPEAKER_01

So minimum 50. We're excited. Robert, let Daniel come 50 days. Make him force him to be up there 50 days so he could feel what it's like to be away. I don't like being made to do anything. Make him. They're gonna make you mad.

SPEAKER_00

But yeah, so Lou, Doug, right? Doug's a uh a labor guy. Dougie, yeah. Dougie Fresh.

SPEAKER_01

Obviously, you got Skip Daly, you got Vanice Karish, you got Max Carter. Bro, there's that I told Nab too, I was like, bro, we got about five construction candidates running. And so, of course, naturally the haters are gonna come out and try to fucking like make sure that they don't get what they you can't give him what he wants.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, what? I mean, that's just the game we're playing, dude. And we need the votes. We need the votes in that room. And I mean, Nab2 is you know, we have a conference coming up, right? Nab2's yearly conference. That's a a big, a big deal. Um, and so we'll be we'll we'll be out doing that. And uh, you know, it's just the stuff that we gotta do. Uh it's part of the it's part of you know how we how we survive. And look, you know, my my my union is rolling out um um a campaign called Building Union Power. And part of it is some history, some education on the labor movement. And one of the facts that I I found very interesting is in 1947 87% of construction workers were represented by a union. That's almost nine out of every ten. Today, ten percent. You know what? And you gotta think, well, what happened, right? And so we kind of go through the history, right? And it it is it's policy, it's legislation. Prior, what ramped us up to 90% um was the New Deal, right? It was uh the the National Labor Relations Act, the the Wagner Act, the New Deal. It it gave unions the right to exist, it gave workers the right to vote for a union, it created unfair labor practices on employers, like it gave us all this power, and boom, before you know it, we're at 87%. And big business, right? And the the people who who don't like to see us have power lobbied politicians, right, and got policy passed called the Taft Hartley. And when Taft Hartley got passed, what did that do? That created right to work, it uh made secondary boycotts illegal, it uh created unfair labor practices on unions. And you could look at the the union density from when that bill got passed and just watch it go shump, right? And that that's policy that affects us, right? And so it's part of the game. We have to play it. And I know the members don't like it. A lot of the members like, why are we getting so political, we got to get out of it, right? And even trying to avoid it in this podcast, like, oh, let's because the members don't want to see it, but it's like it's so much a part of how whether or not we exist or not, it it has to be something that that is fixed, you know?

SPEAKER_01

It's part of the game and we have to play it. Yeah, I'm just sick of fucking playing it alone. That's why I'm telling you, like, come up. Yeah, yeah, right? You and I had this conversation all the time, bro. I'm like, you guys all got great ideas, uh-huh, but I'm the motherfucker up there by myself. Yeah, like I need help. Yeah, I need fucking help. And and everyone's been there to help when they could help, and it's help on the ground.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_01

But I think like when we're in it, it makes it uh it makes it a lot easier when when there's other people up there, right? Um Yeah, dude, I was watching The Irishman the other night, and I remember it was the part where like he's in court at the very beginning, and he's like, I never want to see you in here again. And uh what's his name? Uh Robert De Niro stands up, he's like, Sorry, Your Honor. He goes, Not you, them. If you ever bring another working man before me, like I was like, Yeah, yeah, that even the judges used to be like on the on the side of like the working people, bro. But I mean, a lot of it is you gotta also understand that some of our uh other than our own rank and file members and people that support us, the ones that get along with the building trades the most are the children of building trades folks. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, my dad was a carpenter, my dad was this, my mom, you know, was that, or my whatever, whatever the case is, and they understand us and the struggle more than anybody, sure. They really do. We we with all the judge races I've been doing and and all the interviews we've been going through because it's it's election time, and it it's good to see, bro, people will will get in there and sometimes they'll get vulnerable, and you could see that they're so prideful of the work that their parents did, the work that the people that we represent, and so they understand. And then you'll get some people who are married to blue-collar workers and then vote against us, vote against us. No, that can't happen. They don't give a fuck. That is the fuck, whatever. What else we got for building trades? We got softball, Midnight Madness, Saturday, July 25th coming up, dude. Yeah, that's gonna be uh like in the middle of the night. Uh Midnight Madness? Trade versus trade, save the day. It's called Midnight Madness. I don't think we're starting at midnight.

SPEAKER_00

But I think it runs through it starts at night, right? It starts at night and it goes all night probably into the morning. Yeah, BLD. That's crazy, dude. Yeah. BLD, BFD. Don't BF, oh big fucking deal. Is that was that the Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. No, we got a lot of good shit coming for building trades, dude. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_00

Recovery night?

SPEAKER_01

Dude, I was waiting. I was trying to like tee you up for that.

SPEAKER_00

Recovery night's gonna be at uh Painter's Glazers Hall. Uh May is mental health awareness month. Tell me what recovery night is. Bro, recovery night is just a night where the Southern Nevada Building Trades holds an event. We offer free food, t-shirts, stickers, uh, we get some sweet speakers, and we talk about um substance abuse, mental health, talk about the resources. It's just a day to kind of bring the community in. You don't have to be uh in recovery, you don't have to be um you know sober or in the mental health, you know, world. You just can be a member. Is it a 12-step meeting?

SPEAKER_01

It is not, it is 100% not a 12-step meeting. I'm looking at you right in your motherfucking eyes, telling you this is not a motherfucking AA meeting. This is a night for recovery. You eat in and out and get some stickers and t-shirts. Yes, it's bring the kids. I won't be cussing.

SPEAKER_00

Um that's a lie. So he will be cussing. You don't get to decide what's the truth. Uh I'm okay. Let's yeah, let's see. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see what happens. Good old Vince Devedra.

SPEAKER_01

We uh no, but recovery night. Uh also message to all you politicians. Don't show up because I will ask you to fucking leave. Recovery night is not for elected, it's not for anybody. No. This is not a campaigning thing. It's not, no. We don't need your fucking uh we don't need you here. Thanks, but no thanks. You don't even want them there. No, I don't want them in the don't even show up. Don't show up. Don't, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Well, there's a couple candidates that are all about recovery. There is, but no thanks. No, still not.

SPEAKER_01

Respectfully, no, thank you. Gotcha. Yeah, I'm down. Yeah, because then it's like I'm the one that gets to be in the room. No, this is for our fucking members and their families. I love it. 100%. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

We have everything else.

SPEAKER_01

What about the CBA? Dude, yes, this is a good fight. This is turning into a good episode, kind of catching up. Because we did the big action in Henderson.

SPEAKER_00

How awesome was that, dude. Dude, that was dope, dude. Let's go. I mean, look, we we've talked about community benefit agreements on this podcast before and what they do and how they put us to work. And, you know, so we we kind of narrowed in on the city of Henderson, right? Yeah. Um, we had a few uh Shout out Michelle Romero. Bro, you know, uh the mayor of Henderson, um, and then a couple council people uh show up to our event supporting the the cause. Councilman Seabach. I was waiting for you to name drop. Councilman Seabach. Shout out. He's awesome. He's great. I really like that guy too. And was there someone else? Wasn't there three who was the who else? Monica Larson, Councilwoman Larson. Councilwoman Larson. So they showed up in support. Um, you know, we had this venue uh and it holds, you know, a couple hundred people, bro. We packed a house. We did, dude. We packed the house out there. I thought they were gonna turn people away, bro.

SPEAKER_01

We had that fucking place rock.

SPEAKER_00

Stand-in-room only. Uh we had all the unions out there with their shirts, members out there, rank and file members. We had all the all the elected officials that want to want to party with us, right? That want our votes, want our money. They all show up. Um, and it's an awesome opportunity for our members to like go talk to them. Like, hey, that person's running for state senate, that person's running for governor, that person go talk to them.

SPEAKER_01

That was the most raw. So I'll give you a background. I might have told you, I don't remember, but people on the podcast don't know. That was just gonna be for our members and those three elected officials from from City of Henderson, right? Two city council folks and the mayor. See, we have two good mayors so far. Not talking shit about the North, but we don't have a relationship like I do with with North Las Vegas. I don't have a relationship with Pamela Goins, but um my relationship with uh Mayor Berkeley and uh Mayor Romero is is very, very good, thank God. Um, but anyway, it was just supposed to be for our members that have those three folks talk about it because um they also need help with some initiative stuff for parks and things um that wasn't gonna raise taxes, but they need to do some stuff. So they wanted to talk about that, and I said in exchange, not in exchange, but like you, you know, you do your talking and give give it to our members of Henderson, because it was like 80% Henderson residents there, dude. And uh and then I was like, you know, we'll talk about community benefits. So I told Aaron, I was like, send this to everybody. Well, when I say everybody, I mean our everybody, not everybody, everybody, right? And I my fault for not being clear, not blaming him whatsoever. Uh and so he sends it to all er all the candidates running. And so we have a handful of them fucking show up. You know, it was a it was a good thing. I would say more than a handful. More than a handful. They all showed up. Yeah, they're all doing it.

SPEAKER_00

Which is interesting, man, because it's like, hey, the building trades is doing something, and then boom, they all come. But it's because it's an election year. Yeah, it's an election year. You do the same thing on a non-election year, and it feels like who who shows up? I think some of those candidates and those are the ones that are our friends, right? The ones that are consistently showing up in and out of election years, those are the ones that we need to help. But to see the the amount of rank and file members that showed up. Uh there was close to 300. Easy. Easy. And it's like, that is where our power is, right? We need the elected officials to see that, right? We need our our uh mayors and our council people to be like, hey, do you want your city council chamber to look like this? Yeah. Because we will make it fucking look like this. Yeah. We will be in there with our fucking shirts on and we will make your life miserable because we have a list of fucking demands. And they need to get met. List of asks. I'd say demands. I know you do. You know, we have a list of fucking demands. You're not the one standing in front of them. So we're demanded. Yeah, but our our members can demand it. Fuck yeah, they can. And we show up to city councils, and all we want to do is go to work. We want our tax dollars to put the taxpayers to work. That is our demand. It shouldn't be very fucking difficult. And then days after that event, probably within a week. I find out we have an out-of-town glazing contractor performing work on a Henderson preschool with public fucking dollars. A week later.

SPEAKER_01

Well, it's not, yeah, that was obviously not done on purpose.

SPEAKER_00

No, no, no, not done on purpose. It's just very what a coincidence.

SPEAKER_01

It was good that it worked out that way. We could say, like, it was good that we had the action and then they got to see it.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Because I reached out to the the uh councilman Seabach, right, and he was all all over it. He took my call, he said, Where is it at? Let me go talk to people. Like he's on it. That dude works. He does, he works, dude. And so I thought it was great because it showed them, look, this is exactly what we're talking about, right here.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. And a lot of the folks, so like you said, who would show up, who wouldn't. Uh Nicole was there, was dope. So at one point, at one point during the rally, I was like, if you're running for public office, raise your hand. And you know, a bunch of hands went up. And I said, We have judges, city council people, um, you know, whatever. I whoever all was there. Right. And I was like, now everyone with their hand down, go fucking talk to them. Right. Go tell them your concerns, go figure out what they're running for, like get to know each other, man. Like, mix it up a little bit. And I was like, you guys, this is the community. Yeah, welcome. I'm not the community by myself. You there, I think some elected officials and candidates get so used to just talking to people in leadership roles or leadership positions that they forget what the community actually wants and needs. I had one of your guys actually at Lose Walk, those were two good events, bro. We're like, fuck, it's crazy to see how many people are showing up for these things. I love it, and it's it's good. But one of your members was he was talking to me and he was like, you know, we gotta fucking stop this right to work shit and blah blah blah. And I said, okay. And I said, uh explain to me what that means to you. And he took a moment and I was like, I'm not trying to fucking make you feel dumb or anything. Right. I said, but I want to educate you on like all of the fucking things. And so he goes, he was telling me that he thought it was because that if we get rid of right to work, that there won't be no more non-union here. And I was like, no, right to work would just mean that for us, for the construction side, we could remove you from the job if you're not paid up on your dues. I was like, that's what it does. And then it gives somebody who is paid up on their dues an opportunity to go work. But it doesn't stop the non-union from coming in. And it it it it does strengthen the right to organize, right? But and it strengthens the unions as a whole. I mean, it just makes us stronger. Well, I'm not trying to downpower. But I'm just the sometimes things are said, even from other unions that are outside of the building trades, and it's like I appreciate you wanting to come to me and say something. But what does it mean to you? Do you know really? And so we started put on political classes, right, as building trades. You didn't you haven't done one yet. No. And so we'll we'll do one more of the 101s and uh or the 100s or whatever it's called, and then then we're gonna do another one. But bro, same thing. We had fucking 40 people who have never done anything political that uh hold some sort of union office, and uh we teach the basics of the legislature, we teach the basics of county commissions, city council, school board, what everybody does, you know how what are their terms, and uh we're really dude, we're really starting to educate the people, dude. We're organize I I feel like in the building trade side, organized labor is becoming more organized than we've ever been, dude. It's it's uh it's a good fucking feeling, and it's even added pressure because now it's like what's how do we keep the momentum going? How do we keep everyone playing nice in the sandbox that's in our box, right? Like our our 19 affiliates and the carpenters, right? They'll they'll politically they play right and um with us, and it it's all bro, what I'm under what me and you talk about on this fucking podcast all the time is it's a hundred percent education, yeah. If we're not informing our members without making them feel stupid and making giving them the space to feel comfortable to say, hey bro, explain this to me. Or here's my thoughts, this is what I think. We we have to do that as union leaders and give them the fucking time to explain. And if we're union leaders and we don't know, go get the fucking answer, don't just throw it out. Like that's what I do, bro. I'm always on a constant hunt for information. I'm always trying to learn the next fucking thing. I I I've in my time in union leadership, I've had probably 15 fucking mentors right now. I probably got four, right? And not that you you outgrow mentors, right? Like kind of like sponsors sometimes, right? We talk about that. Some people outgrow me, my sponsees outgrow me, or whatever the case is, you outgrow the thing. And it doesn't mean anything bad. Sure. But the moment that my political mentor starts to ask me for strategies and plans, I'm like, oh fuck, time to get a new um mentor, right? Because now we're equal and we're bouncing ideas off each other. And so I'm constantly looking and searching for the next mentor or the next education piece, the next thing to learn, reading fucking new books, bro. It's crazy. Again, being an iron worker, we're not supposed to read. We're fucking I didn't know you could. Yeah. Believe me, it's crazy. And so that's what we do, dude. Like we we are on the search for information all the time, but we need to do that so that we can give it to the members because, dude, it sounds so fucking cliche, but knowledge really is fucking power. Why do you this is what I was telling somebody uh one of the guys was like, ah, that's fucking bullshit, but you sound fucking dumb. I said, then why is it that every time you pass a fucking apprenticeship class, dumbass, you get a fucking raise because you know more. Every time you pass a class, you get a fucking raise. Why? Because you are fucking smarter, you have more time in, right?

SPEAKER_00

So Well, I mean, your comment about giving the the members space, uh room to ask those questions, right? I think historically, I know in in my um organization under the previous leadership, you almost didn't want to ask questions because they would talk down to you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right? Make you feel dumb. And and that's a strategy that people use when they don't want people to know things, right? If people start asking questions, or come after their job. Yeah, people start asking questions, make them feel stupid, they'll stop asking questions, and then you know that that ends it. And so, you know, I mean, I think as union leaders, it's just one of the reasons why we started this podcast was to try to educate our membership. How do we get the message out? How do we talk to them? They don't always come to union meetings, but I know for me in my union meetings, like I try to have open dialogue. Like I want members to ask questions, you know, and in an effort to get more members to come to meetings, it's been discussed, like, hey, maybe our meetings are going too long, maybe that's why members don't want to come, and so we got to shorten it up. And I understand that too. But I get to talking up there and members get to asking questions, and I am not going to stop it. I don't want to shut them down, I don't want to end the discussions. Like, I want to have these open dialogues because we have got to start educating our membership. Because just like you said, an educated membership that is empowered can pack a county commission meeting. We would we pack it, and that's how we make change. Are those people that make those decisions need to look at us and go, oh, they're gonna shut some shit down. Yeah, you know, and we have to that that can't be a threat. They we they have to know we're capable. And we aren't capable just a bunch of fucking union leaders standing in a goddamn room. We have to have the membership behind us. If there's no membership behind us, we are not fucking leading shit.

SPEAKER_01

You are not a leader if no one is following you. I'll tell you, 2026 has shown that we have people fucking following us, dude. We're fucking showing up in fucking record-breaking numbers. It's so fucking badass, dude. It's it's it does, bro. It makes me emotional. I don't give a fuck if I sound like whatever. I it makes me super emotional when I leave those fucking places, bro, like like the Henderson fucking rally, Lou's rally, uh no matter where we show up, bro, and there's not many people and we're able to fucking slap hands and show love, bro. It makes me emotional, dude, because it's like it's all genuine. None of it is there because they're trying to get their fucking hours in or they got, you know, it's all genuine people who believe in what we're doing as a movement, right? Right. And you know, it's and and it's the other thing too, and it I never turn people away either. Like, I've had four people tell me, like, hey bro, if I run for business agent, like, can you help me? Would you teach me? I was like, Yeah. And I was like, hit me up anytime with any questions you got. Yeah. They don't. That doesn't mean like fuck them, where people would be like, let their ego get in the way, like, I can't believe he fucking asked me to help, and now he's not fucking like fuck all. Who cares, dude? Who fucking gives a fuck? Some people just want the comfort of knowing that they can come to you. Right. And so don't close that fucking door, leave that bitch open. You ready, rock and roll, wrap this bitch up, or what? Let's go, man. Let's go, dude. And we've had a great year. I remember we said we were 2026 was gonna be our fucking year, bro, and it's it's trending that way. It is, it's trending that way. Let's keep fighting the good fight, brother. Hell yeah. All right, have a good one. Yes, sir. Thank you, sir.