Episode 14 Xbiz versus Exxxotica

On today's episode we talk about the differences between Xbiz and Exxxotica Conventions that we have visited in the past and which one might be better for you. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Well, here we are. Back again, again. This is by the way with NC Hatway and Dirty Max.

SPEAKER_02 0:09

All right. So today we're going to talk about two events, conventions, things that we have been to, and kind of compare them. So we're going to talk about XBiz, which is in Miami. Yeah. And we went there in May. And we are also going to talk about Exotica, which we went to in Minnesota.

SPEAKER_01 0:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

Um, this past weekend. So first we're going to talk about XBiz, kind of explain what it is and what we did while we were there.

SPEAKER_00 0:43

So ExBiz is It's a convention for sex workers and sex workers only. You can buy a ticket, but it's like something stupid crazy. But if you have like a verified, you know, XBiz profile with like Twitters and like if you're an actual creator, not just like, hey, like I'm a creator.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

So you have to be like verified on platforms, like they actually go back and double check to make sure like this is like who you are, like that you're the creator and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:13

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:14

And then it's free to get in.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:16

At that point.

SPEAKER_02 1:17

Um, but if you're not a creator and you just want to be like a spectator, tickets are like it's like a thousand dollars. A thousand dollars. So there's not really a whole lot of spectators that come that we even know of.

SPEAKER_01 1:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

Um so expiz is hard for a lot of people to make because it's during the week, unless you're like a full-time content creator. Um, it's generally like Monday to Thursday, I think. Monday to Wednesday.

SPEAKER_00 1:45

Yes, technically only Monday, Tuesday, Thursday or Tuesday, Wednesday, because the awards is on Wednesday evening.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

Okay, so the awards are on Wednesday evening. Okay. So things that they do at XBiz, they have different classes you can go to. Um, I think the first year we went, we went to a class about um like had something to do with lawsuits and where people were filming and stuff like that, as far as like filming in a hotel room or um stuff like that. Um we went to one other class when we were there two years ago.

SPEAKER_00 2:22

I think it was about 2026, 2025, and 2024 now.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

Yes. Um so the first two years we we went to, you know, some of the classes, tried to see, um, decided really the classes really weren't for us.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

Um, since we kind of just do our own thing and um we're not really interested in like a management company or anything like that, and we run all of our stuff ourselves. Um, so mainly we go to expas for the collabs to work with other people, um, also to meet new people. Um, they all they always do a pool party both days. So Tuesday and Wednesday, they always do a pool party. Yep. So we always try to find time to go to the pool party so we can meet new creators, um, see creators that we've seen before.

SPEAKER_00 3:17

Companies will have like small little boots set up at the pool party each day.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

Yeah, so it's all kinds of boots.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

Like so then you can like meet like different, like I'm pretty sure. Like I've uh Fansley. I think Fansley is like their number one.

SPEAKER_02 3:32

Well, everyone will run like sponsor um Pro 13 had one.

SPEAKER_00 3:36

Yes. I mean, there's a bunch of different ones. Sex Panther was there.

SPEAKER_02 3:41

Um Chatterbait, I believe, was there as well.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

Yeah, like all your big names, obviously, besides OnlyFans, because OnlyFans never shows up to anything. Yeah. They don't have to.

SPEAKER_02 3:50

Which is very interesting. Yeah, they're the only ones that uh don't ever show up. But yeah, there's different booths you can go to. You can get like free merch and um stuff like that. But you can also go and like ask them questions and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 4:03

And I think that we There's different platforms there, like Fansley, obviously, um bunch of different ones that we've seen.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

And like there was a like takedown service companies and stuff like that, and we've talked to them before. Um, so they're very helpful. Yeah. Um, having the like different booths to go to be able to go and ask questions and um just to get merch to kind of advertise for, you know, companies that we um use, like Pro 13. Like we use Pro 13, and we went and I think I got a tank top when I was there, and I don't know what else I got. Maybe a cup, I'm not really sure.

SPEAKER_01 4:47

Yeah, I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 4:47

Um they didn't have a huge selection in um at XBiz, but that's okay. We still got to talk to them. Um so that is a really good thing about XBiz is um like going to talk to people at different booths and meeting new creators um because it is is it is in South Beach, Miami.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

Um it brings people from all over.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

Yeah, I mean, there's people that come from out of the country to it.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

Yeah, so it's a really good way to meet new people, meet new creators, and um try to get with people that you you know might not have the chance to work with at other, you know, times. Yeah. Um so we really we like XBIS.

SPEAKER_01 5:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Um there's the white party is a big thing they do on Monday nights. Um the first year we did not get there in time to go. Um because uh what our when our flight came in. The second year we did go, um, we waited in line for probably 45 minutes to an hour just to get in. Um once we got in, it was literally like shoulder to shoulder standing room. If you were dancing, you were like shoulder to shoulder dancing just to get a drink at the bar. Um so we hear all the time people love the white party. That's like one of the biggest things to do. Um, we prefer to not go to the white party um just because we're not real big on being like, you know, shoulder to shoulder. Yeah, it's a little too peoply-y for us there. Um so we generally skip that. Most of the time we're just getting there, just getting settled in, and we generally either go out to dinner or go grab a piece of pizza and have that in bed before.

SPEAKER_00 6:44

It's usually our like go-to in South Beach is to get one of those giant big ass pieces of pizza every night and you go to bed.

SPEAKER_02 6:52

Look at us. We're talking about food again. Yeah. Um so on and mostly we just try to do collabs while we're there.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

Um, other like obviously other than marketing and stuff like that, we um go there to work with other creators.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

Yeah, the first year you worked with um Dante. That was the first time we had ever worked with him.

SPEAKER_02 7:16

Yes, that was the first time we'd ever worked with um Dante. And we've worked with him every expis. No. Um, first expiz, and then we worked with him again at this past expus, and then we've worked with him um in between.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

Um, just traveling to like Florida other times.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Um we usually go down there and make I don't know, six to eight videos each time. Yeah. Some of our hottest videos come from Expos. Yes, especially the second time.

unknown 7:52

The second time.

SPEAKER_00 7:53

The by threesome and then the trans. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 7:57

Yes, yes. Those both did really, really good.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Then the Jiga.

SPEAKER_02 8:01

Yes. Yeah. Yeah, that's a that's a really good one too. There's a bunch of good ones that come from there.

SPEAKER_00 8:07

It was a big um eggplant type of week in a couple days. They were some It was. There were some big ones. It was.

SPEAKER_02 8:18

The first one came in and I'm like, baby, are you trying to kill me? Like, are you trying to make it so I can't like walk the rest of the weekend?

SPEAKER_00 8:25

He had shorts on, but I don't know how the hell he had shorts on.

SPEAKER_02 8:29

Because that thing was Yeah, I think all three. No, I think there was there was three three of them that were large.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:42

They were not your everyday eggplants.

SPEAKER_00 8:44

They were like they were like once-a year eggplants, yeah. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_02 8:48

For sure.

SPEAKER_00 8:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

Which is funny because one of those eggplants was like actually I had at least twice twice within that year.

SPEAKER_00 8:58

That's right.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Um, the particular guy came in and he was like, Do you have like do you have some extra lube? Like, I forgot mine, um, but like I'm kinda thick, you you know, I'm you might need some.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

And uh he really should have left out the kinda part because like really probably would have been better, or pretty.

SPEAKER_02 9:26

Yeah, like really thick, or like, you know, it's kind of like a Coke can thing like that would have been a better description of it. But he was being humble about it. He wasn't, you know. Yeah, but that's generally how people are that are bigger for the most part. Um yeah, so that's generally why we go. Yeah, we go to work with other people. There's always a great crowd of people there um to work with. Um normally they do the like event convention at a hotel on the beach.

SPEAKER_01 10:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:03

Um this past year they did it off the beach, and it was just a very odd setup. Like all the classes and stuff, they they were like scattered on different floors of the hotel.

SPEAKER_00 10:15

Well, yeah, because usually it's on like literally right on South Beach. So all the pools that are mostly on South Beach hotels that are right there on the beach are like sea level. They're on the first level of the first of the hotel.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:29

So they put everything on there, but this one was like a rooftop pool, but then like the class, some classes were downstairs, some classes were over here, some classes were over here. So it just felt like it was just like very like spaced out, unorganized almost.

SPEAKER_02 10:46

Yeah, it wasn't very like I don't want to say user-friendly isn't the right word, but it wasn't very like they were hard to find. Yeah, they were not easily accessible.

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:56

Um, especially for somebody I would say who like was it their first time being there. I feel like it would be kind of confusing and overwhelming to them.

SPEAKER_00 11:03

Because I think the first year that we went, they actually had like separate rooms that they did the classes in. Almost like almost like like office spaces like that you would have at like a regular hotel or like small conference rooms that you would have in a yeah, kind of like a small conference they could actually like physically close the door, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:23

Or like a small dining room or like something like that was the spaces that they used. Um yeah, I would definitely say this year was that was kind of a cluster a little bit in my in our opinion.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

Um and the same with the pool party, it just And then it was off the beach a little bit, so and then you were up higher, and there was like absolutely no fucking breeze. Like that pool party was hot as yes.

SPEAKER_02 11:50

I mean it's already Miami, it's already May in Miami, so it's hot as shit, anyways, and then there not being a breeze because it's all closed off. Um so but generally we always have a great time. Yeah, even we just go to the pool parties and hang out for I don't know, an hour, yeah, if that, just in between collabs and making reels and stuff like that. Um but it's always a lot of fun. Absolutely. We never end up making it to the party that they do on Tuesday night. I can't remember this year it was like an evening pool party.

SPEAKER_00 12:33

We did the second year. Because it was like a neon. I don't think we like took clothes for it or anything like that. It was just like a hey, like, let's just go.

SPEAKER_02 12:44

Let's just go and just see what this is like for a little bit. Um, we're really like do our own thing kind of. Yeah. We don't go with like a crowd of people. Um we prefer to go like just with each other. So if you know we go to a party and we're like, I'm fucking tired, we can just be like, all right, let's let's just go back, let's just leave.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

And then we're not like you know, not like having to stay. Yeah, like, oh man, like all our friends are here. Like we gotta we gotta stay. We gotta tough this out. We're like, we look at each other like you wanna leave? Yeah, all right, let's go.

SPEAKER_02 13:19

Yeah, let's go. Um, and then Wednesday night is the award show. The award show, and we never go to that. Um, but that's mostly just because by then we've done like tons of work. We're exhausted, and we generally have an early flight out on Thursday morning so we can get back. Um but overall, Xbiz is a really good convention event to go to, I feel like, um, especially for marketing yourself, working with other people, talking to different companies about, you know, issues you have on their platform or you know, anything else. Um, I feel like it's a really, really good convention event.

SPEAKER_00 14:08

I would go back every every year.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

Yeah, yeah. We've been three years in a row and we have every intention to go back next year. Umly thing I hope for next year is they do it at a hotel on the beach.

SPEAKER_00 14:19

Yeah, they move it back.

SPEAKER_02 14:20

Yeah, that's that's the only thing. Um but all in all, I think it's a really good convention to go to.

SPEAKER_00 14:27

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

All right, so now that we've wrapped up with Expis, we are gonna talk about Exotica.

SPEAKER_01 14:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:35

So we went to Exotica in Minneapolis.

SPEAKER_01 14:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:40

It was the first year that they did it there. I'll let you kind of explain what it is that Exotica is about.

SPEAKER_00 14:50

Um I mean it's it covers like pretty much every type of kind of sex worker-ish, I guess you could kind of say. So creators, performers, um cameras. There were sex stores there. Yeah. Pretty much anything like kind of sex related was kind of there.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:13

I mean, they had like somebody had a whole entire like sex store set up with toys and clothing. Actually, there was a couple of those.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

Yeah, it was almost the one that was the biggest almost felt like you were walking into like an Adam and Eve or like a full size, like Adam and Eve they had. A bad kitty or something like that. Um, so that was really cool. We did not buy anything from there because I feel like we have plenty of toys and clothing, lingerie, all of that. So we did not partake in any of that. Um, but Exotica is a place where like a creator can go and set up a booth.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

You can set up a booth, you can have like stuff set up. Like a friend of ours that was there had set up, she had like her DVDs if somebody wanted to buy them. She had her own videos, like her own production company of her own videos, and like a DVD case, but it had a thumbnail drive with all the d all the movies on it, a bunch of different stickers. I think she had like pictures you could buy, maybe, or pictures that you could just flip through and see.

SPEAKER_02 16:20

Yeah. There were pictures you could buy, there were stickers you could buy. There, like she had all kinds of things. Um she uh normally has like any kind of merch, like hats and shirts and all kinds of stuff. Um she had really cool was um bottle openers with her logo on it, which were really cool. Um so basically you can go as a creator, set up a booth, and you can sell your merch.

SPEAKER_00 16:49

You can then your fans can obviously like actually get to meet you and see who you are and take a picture with you, and you know, some this this one was definitely more tame with their rules and stuff like that. But that was, you know, usually you can do like lap dances or you know, like sit on the person's face or you know, put your titties on their face.

SPEAKER_02 17:14

Like clothed, you can sit on their face, not like I I don't I don't I don't think you can like Well they had thongs on, so yeah.

SPEAKER_00 17:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

There was something blocking that.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

I mean you got something like this covering something like that. Like, I mean, you're gonna have some pieces that aren't covered.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Yeah, I mean, I think we even saw one girl that had like obviously this because it was in a new area, and this is what we were told, because it was in a new area, the rules were a lot more strict. Um, but I there was one girl, I think she's known for having like ginormous boobs, and it was literally just like you could pay her to like flop her titties down on you.

SPEAKER_00 17:59

Yeah, like smother you with her days.

SPEAKER_02 18:01

Yeah, yeah, which was, I mean, that's what you're into. That's cool. Go ahead. I mean, who doesn't like, you know, want to be smothered by like some titties or something? Um, but they're like Pro 13 was at this one, um, Chatterbait was at this one. Um, we were able to go to like the Pro 13 booth and um talk to them. And I guess we should elaborate on on that. Like, if you don't know what Pro 13 is, it is um at home STD testing. Um, a lot of people I think fear that because, and this was a fear of yours in the beginning too, yeah. Um, was that it's at home STD testing. So how do you know?

SPEAKER_00 18:48

Yeah, you're putting a lot of trust into somebody else that you know like may have like said, like, hey, like I think I might have something. Can you like test this? You know, can you test for me so that way then you know I can get a pass and then I can go work with people. But it doesn't work like that. The first time you do it, you have to do a telehealth visit and they're watching you do do the blood, and then I think the the oral. The oral swab. Yeah, and then there's like a barcode that you seal the oral swab with, and then that is actually like cross-referenced with your DNA. So that way then the next time it's done, they can then make sure that it's actually yours. Yes. That you know, is getting tested.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

Yeah, so you don't have to do a telehealth visit every single time you test, um, because once they have that after the first time, then they when your samples come in, they know whether they're yours or not.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

Right.

SPEAKER_02 19:48

Um, so that's a really cool like we use it all the time now.

SPEAKER_00 19:53

And it's a lot cheaper than TTS's. It is. It's discreet, you don't have to go anywhere. The only place you have to go is to either your mailbox or your front door wherever you get the package at, and then when you want to drop it off, you have to take it to like FedEx or UPS, but even then it's it's in a sealed bag, like there's nothing that says like what it is, essentially. It just says that it's like a specimen bag, but that's it. Yeah, it doesn't say super discreet. Send it back in, couple days you have your test results, and it's like I said, it's way cheaper than TTS. Yeah, you don't have to go to a draw facility, you don't have to go to your doctor's office and have that awkward conversation. Yes, you can just do it all on on your computer, on your phone, and be done with it.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

Yeah, so that's a really nice thing. Um, but uh like similar to XBiz, like Exotica Pro 13 had March. So like I got a t-shirt and a sweatshirt and like a slip.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

Slippers and a bag.

SPEAKER_02 20:53

Slippers and a bag and um a cup and like a water bottle, like all kinds of stuff. Um, because I mean, of course, these companies want you to like promote their stuff. Um, so like that was really cool to be able to walk around, like talk to them, like talk to them about you know, getting more information to promote it more. Um and I mean that was cool.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

Um, I will say like from what we have heard from numerous people, um, was that this was this exotica was very, very small.

SPEAKER_00 21:33

Yeah, it was much smaller than what we anticipated. Yeah. And what other people had kind of told us what exotica was really like. Because we could you could walk through the whole thing within 20, 30 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 21:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

Like it was I won't say it was like a disappointment, but it was kind of a letdown of what I had in mind of what I was expecting to walk into, you know, to see all these different people there, and there was, you know. Not a whole lot of people that like I recognized.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:04

And stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

And like also it generally like big conventions and events like this tend to, there's generally a lot of creators there. So there's generally a lot of other people you can go and work with too. Um and there's like plenty of time to do both. Cause like the convention is, I think Friday it was from like 5 p.m. to 11. And then like Saturday it was from like 2 to 11 or um and then Sunday it was as well. Um I don't remember the exact times. Um but there's if you want to do a booth, like you can do a booth, but also have time to make content with other creators as well. Um there definitely were not many creators that we knew or even that reached out to us that they were going um to Exotica. I'm gonna assume some of that was because it was in a new city.

SPEAKER_00 23:03

Yeah, so many people didn't know what to expect. So I'm not gonna commit to going if I don't think it's gonna be good. So so many other people did that, and then next thing you know, there's not a whole lot of people that were there, yeah, essentially.

SPEAKER_02 23:16

No, we did still have fun. No, we didn't. We did. Um we worked with two other people while we were there. Um both of those were super hot.

SPEAKER_00 23:25

Two things that we had never had on had done on camera.

SPEAKER_02 23:29

Yes, two of those things. Um, and they were both super hot.

SPEAKER_00 23:34

Yeah. I don't want to like go into like obviously people say we don't talk enough about the you know activities, but um we'll just say that there was one male that there was there was contrast between skin colors.

SPEAKER_02 23:52

Um but it was a super hot video, and then the other video we made was super hot too, and that's not something that we have at all.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

No, it's not.

SPEAKER_02 24:00

Um so that was super hot, kind of like branching out, trying new things, um doing kind of like a real um like hot life scenario, um, which something we've I mean we do like hot wave stuff, but this was like a real life kind of hot wave scenario kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

Um and it was still like it they were new stuff, but it was still within our like boundaries of what we would do off camera as well. Yes. Just because we always try to stress like, hey, we're not gonna do this all on camera if we're not gonna do it off camera. Like we're not just doing it just to chase the money kind of thing. Right. Like we want to enjoy it, like we want to be able to say, like, hey, like that was good. Like I would do that without the cameras on us.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

Right. And I do feel like there's a lot of people out there in the content world that necessarily don't do that. Um, they're just like, oh well, this isn't something I would do off camera, but it would be good for the money.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Yeah, like I know it's gonna make me money, but in the in the long term, like you do that so many times, like it will affect your mental health because it's not like not like you're at a job that you just fucking hate, but now you're at a job that you're like, okay, well, I really don't want to do this, but I know I'm it's gonna make me money, but you're doing it with sex, so you're in a more vulnerable activity, yeah. You're you're completely naked, like you're doing these things, and it's like it will take a toll on you, like mentally.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

Yeah. Yeah, so that's that's one big thing that we stress and that we always make sure. I don't want to say we make sure that other people know, but we want to make that known that if it's not because we did start out as swingers, and then we, you know, started doing content. So if it's not something we won't do off camera, it's not something we're gonna do on camera.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

And we do like we since we started this, we are branching out because we will have people that like message us and say, Hey, do you have like a video like this? And it's like, hey, like, I'm sorry, but like that's not something that I do. Like, and it's not something like it may be something that we do down the road, but right now it's like, hey, like, we're not okay with doing this together.

SPEAKER_02 26:20

Yeah, like that's that's out of our comfort zone. That that goes um out of our boundaries, so that's not something that we are okay with doing. Um, and as a creator, that is 100% okay for you to do that. Um, you it's not all about the money.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

It's it's you still have to have like boundaries and rules and um you still want to make it fun because if you if you make it fun and enjoyable, then it's gonna show in the in the content. Like I like we always say, like, there's so much fake porn out there.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 26:55

Like you gotta make the real stuff because that's what people are gonna relate to. You know, you're gonna have the couples or you're gonna have like the husbands or the wives, whatever it may be, whatever scenario, come to your page, subscribe, and then say, Well, damn, like this is real shit. Like, these are real people. This is what I want to do, and it's not just you know, somebody setting up like a big production and like doing this, like, okay, like this is like a whole set, and you know, like this is all like rehearsed and stuff like that. Like, this is like real stuff.

SPEAKER_02 27:28

Yeah, it's real people that have like bat rolls and cellulite and like all of those kinds of things. Um, anyways, totally off on a tangent on that.

SPEAKER_01 27:39

Yeah, we definitely do.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

Um, but back to the whole exotica. Um, I do wish there would have been more creators for us to meet, especially since we were in like a different area. Um, and I um wish it was a little bit bigger. Now I'm sure obviously what we've heard from other people is that um it they do, is it four per year?

SPEAKER_00 28:08

Yeah, it's four a year.

SPEAKER_02 28:09

Um so they do one in Chicago, Illinois. Um they do one It's usually always in April. Yes. They do one in I can't remember somewhere in New Jersey. I can't remember the town.

SPEAKER_00 28:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:20

Um, but there's a place in New Jersey that they do one, and they do one in Miami as well. Um in the past, they've done one in Washington, DC, but the location that they used was not available anymore.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

So that was the reason why they switched to They finally switched it around because they used to always do Miami in the middle of summer and DC in the wintertime, and it's like, why not flip-flop them and do DC in this in the summer and Miami in the winter? Yeah. So they finally did that this year. Um it's not, you know, middle of June in Miami, you know, 100 degrees outside.

SPEAKER_02 28:54

It's already that bad when you go to X Fiz at the beginning of May.

SPEAKER_00 28:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

Um, but we hear that the one in Chicago and the one in New Jersey are those are the top two really good ones.

SPEAKER_01 29:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:08

Um, so we're obviously open to going to another one.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

Um, possibly, you know, in New Jersey and then possibly in um Chicago next year. Um, so we're definitely not like crossing that off our list. No. Um, but definitely want to go to one that's where the area and it's not a new place, and there's more creators and more um, and I really feel like there was even a lot of spectators um this one. Yeah. Um, but definitely we'll consider going to another one.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

We're not gonna cross it off our list. So I guess when we go to another one, we'll have to go back and do this comparison again. Um but for us, X Biz, we love it.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 29:59

I mean, like between the two at this point.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

But it's like kind of comparing like they're both conventions that we can both go to, but it's kind of like comparing like an apple to an orange.

SPEAKER_02 30:09

Yeah, they're like they're very different.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

Like one is you know, spectators don't go to, and it's more creator-based, and then the other one is more so for like anyone and everyone and sex work, kind of.

SPEAKER_02 30:25

Yes. Um, so yeah, I guess you can't really compare the two of them.

SPEAKER_01 30:32

Um, but I feel like we kind of did, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

Okay, so expas we will continue to go to every year. Um, we uh love expos, it's always a good time. There's always really good creators to work with, always new people to meet. Um, gosh, this past time we met a couple that's from like California or like Washington or area. Um and like we'd been wanting to meet them for so long, and so that was really cool that we got to meet them. Um but we'll definitely go back to another exotica.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

A bigger one. We won't go to one that's the first go-round.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Um, but we still had fun.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:17

We still had fun.

SPEAKER_00 31:18

We went to um the Mall of America while we were there, and we didn't know that like when booking, like, because we got in Wednesday and left Sunday morning that really the convention is Friday night, Saturday, and Sunday. So I guess next time we'll have to just kind of shift it. We'll go like Thursday to Monday kind of thing.

SPEAKER_02 31:38

Yeah, we'll we'll adjust it a little bit. But we still had fun. We still got to you know, do some stuff we wanted to do and have a good time with each other. So um, but definitely we'll go back to both.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:51

See what it's like.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Well that kind of wraps up today's episode. Um we still have one more episode I still need to edit with a special guest.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

Yes, we do.

SPEAKER_00 32:35

That, you know. We can, you know, call our friends now.

SPEAKER_02 32:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:39

So I need to get on on that so I can go ahead and get that. But we're gonna start getting into the how our families found out about what we do for work and how we were outed.

SPEAKER_02 32:55

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

It's probably gonna be at least two episodes, maybe three. Hopefully we can kind of keep it short and sweet and keep it into two. But there's a lot of shit.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

There's a lot of there's a lot of details. There's a lot of a lot of a long like timeline and like very specific details you can't leave out. Um, so we'll definitely get into that. Um, within the next one or two episodes, we'll we'll start getting all that on. I know you guys are probably anxious to hear about it, where we as we are also like um excited slash anxious to talk about it.

SPEAKER_00 33:42

Um we kind of hit a little bit on our wifey singing. We did, but we didn't go into all the details. We're gonna get into all the juicy details.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

Yeah, all the juicy stuff. Yeah. Um, so definitely make sure you um watch out for that.

SPEAKER_00 34:02

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 34:02

Because it will be coming soon.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

Hit the follow and subscribe button. Yes. Whatever platform you're on.

SPEAKER_02 34:08

Yes, please. You're definitely gonna want to hear it for sure. Your like jaw might hit the floor. Yeah. So, but thank you guys so much for listening. We appreciate it. And we are by the way with NC Hotway and Dirty Max. Thanks, y'all.