Ep. 55: The Queen Mary — America’s Most Haunted Ship

The RMS Queen Mary was never meant to be a ghost ship.

Once a luxury ocean liner… then a wartime vessel known as the “Grey Ghost”… the Queen Mary carried thousands of passengers, soldiers, and stories across the Atlantic.

But some believe… not all of them ever left.

In this episode of Veil of Echoes, we explore the dark history and chilling hauntings surrounding one of the most infamous paranormal locations in the world. From wartime tragedy and the fatal collision with the HMS Curacoa… to the reported apparitions in the pool room, the unexplained activity in stateroom B340, and the voices still heard in empty corridors…

Is the Queen Mary truly haunted?

Or is something else keeping these stories alive?

🎧 Listen now… and decide for yourself.

📂 SHOW NOTES

⚓ Episode Overview

In Episode 55, we dive into the haunting legacy of the RMS Queen Mary — from its origins as a luxury liner to its transformation during World War II and the paranormal claims that followed.

👻 What We Cover:

•  The history of the Queen Mary (1930s–1960s) 
•  Its role as a WWII troopship (“The Grey Ghost”) 
•  The 1942 collision with HMS Curacoa 
•  Reported hauntings and paranormal activity 
•  The First-Class Pool Room encounters 
•  Stateroom B340 experiences 
•  Reports of child spirits, including “Jackie” 
•  Staff and investigator accounts 
•  Psychological vs paranormal explanations 

🕯️ Also Mentioned:

• Missing Veil Files — Case 006: Brianna Maitland (Releasing Saturday) 
•  Listener story series: Echoes from the Veil
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📚 SOURCES

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•  Cunard History Archives – RMS Queen Mary 
•  National WWII Museum – Troopship Conversions 
•  Historical accounts of HMS Curacoa collision (1942) 
•  Queen Mary Official Historical Archives 
•  Smithsonian Magazine – Queen Mary wartime history 
•  Skeptical Inquirer – Psychological explanations of hauntings 
•  Interviews and reports from Queen Mary staff and paranormal investigations 
•  Various eyewitness and documented paranormal accounts 

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Transcript

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Beneath the ordinary world lies a veil, and behind it the voices of the lost still whisper. We are your guides into the shadows where true crime meets the paranormal.

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From chilling crimes to haunted histories, we uncover the stories that refuse to rest. This is Vale of Echoes.

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Just a luxury liner. Floating across the Atlantic, filled with laughter, music, and life.

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Until it wasn't all her unsinkable. Faster than anything on the water. A symbol of power. But beneath the deck, something else was building.

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Accidents, disappearances, voices heard when no one else was there. A child seen running through empty corridors.

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A woman in white waiting by the pool.

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Footsteps and rooms that have been locked for decades.

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But the most unsettling part isn't what people claim to see.

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It's what they hear. Knocking from inside the walls.

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Like someone trying to get out.

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They never did. This is episode 55.

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The Queen and Mary.

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Where history never left. Welcome to Veil of Echoes, where the darkest history and the unexplained are brought to the surface. We're your host, I'm Lindsay.

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I'm Zach.

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And I'm Bria. Before we begin, this episode contains themes of death, war, and reported paranormal encounters. Listener discretion is advised. If you enjoy immersive true crime and paranormal storytelling, make sure you're following Veil of Echoes on your favorite podcast platform.

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You can also follow us on TikTok, Instagram, and Facebook for teaser clips, tarot style episode posts, and behind the scenes content. And as we head into summer, we're working on something new. A space for your stories.

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The experiences that stay with you.

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And we're gonna call it Echoes from the Veil. So if you guys have a story, something unexplainable, or something that never quite made sense, we want to hear it. You can send your stories to us at Veilove Echoes Podcast at gmail.com.

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Or message us directly on TikTok, Instagram, or Facebook at Veil of Echoes Podcast.

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We'll be sharing your stories and giving shout-outs to those who trust us with them. And I was thinking maybe we could even like if you got prefer, we can either read your stories or have you on. Like we did remote and have you read your stories for us. Yes. Sounds fun.

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Interesting.

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Long before it became one of the most haunted places in the world, a Queen Mary was something else entirely a masterpiece.

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Built in the early 1930s by the Cunard White Star Line, uh, the RMS Queen Mary was designed to dominate the Atlantic.

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At over a thousand feet long, she wasn't just a ship, she was a floating city. Ballrooms filled with music, dining halls lit by chandeliers, passengers dressed in black tie, crossing the ocean in luxury.

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But beneath that elegance was something else.

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Because ships like this don't just carry people, they carry everything with them.

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And in 1939, everything changed.

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With the outbreak of World War II, the Queen Mary was stripped of her luxury. The chandeliers were removed, the bright colours repainted.

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She was transformed into a troop ship painted grey and given a new name.

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The Grey Ghost. Thousands of soldiers packed inside their walls, tight quarters, long crossings, and constant tension.

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She could carry over 15,000 troops at a time, more than any other ship in the war.

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And because of her speed, she often travelled alone. No escort. Which meant if something went wrong out there, there was no one coming. And in 1942, that's exactly what happened.

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While escorting a smaller ship, the HMS Coracola, the Queen Mary accidentally collided with it.

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Cutting it in half. Hundreds of men were thrown into the ocean.

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And the Queen Mary kept going.

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Orders were clear. Stopping made you a target. So they did it.

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Over 300 men died in the water that day.

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And some believe they never left. So if a place witnesses that much fear, that much death, do you think it can hold on to it? Well, yeah. 110%.

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That's at one time.

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I mean 300 people. That is a shit ton of people. Well, the the ocean too, though. It's like, if you think about it, it's probably one ugly. God only knows. Unfortunately, I'm that type of person that's gonna think about sharks. Oh yes.

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And the coconut crabs.

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The coconut crabs.

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Fuck them crabs. Those darn crabs. And uh what else is terrifying is the sea lions.

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Those things are mean.

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They're bigger and they're so cute, but they're mean. They're mean, but they're so cute.

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They're honestly puppy.

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Well, I just remember hearing this horror story of one dragging this girl.

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She died, by the way. Oh yeah.

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Like she was uh snorkeling, and a few people made it back to the boat and the sea lion snatched her and drug her deep, deep, deep, deep down in the above. Shaking her all over, and then took her I don't know, was playing with her.

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Were they marine biologists?

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Maybe.

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I don't know, but wasn't that not too long ago? Like maybe two years ago, maybe three. I don't know, but it's remember that too, like yeah.

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Well, that's another good one for Wild Wednesdays. Yes. Just like the guy who thought it would be okay to play with get in, you know, the tank with one of the orcas at Searworld. I'm sorry. Got in there because he thought it was lonely, which I I firmly believe what he was saying because that tank was way too small for that orca. Of course. But you also But here he goes jumping in because he thought it was lonely, and it ended up dragging him to the bottom and drowning him and then playing with his body.

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He said all free willy. No.

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And then when they when the employees opened up the park, were going to open up the park the next day, they had to have a medical hoist take the orca out of the the tank because nobody could get around the body because the orca would keep people away from it. Yeah. So they had to lift the orca out of the water to get this guy's body out of there. Because the orca was playing with it. You could do that, and then of course, Carol Baskin.

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Carol Baskin. Killed her husband. What? Can't convince me it didn't happen.

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Um Carol, my yes. Get out of here. You know exactly that she you know she fed her husband to the tigers. You know it. Well, it was in that video, was it? Oh, help me. Oh, he's in a different country right now on vacation.

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Even inside a bangled tiger.

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I was about to say, you mean inside the. Much more exotic. Thank you. He went to jail because of, I mean, the poor tiger what he did with the poor tiger. That's awful. But then how is she not? I don't know how she's not in jail cheating.

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Because didn't she do she does pretty much the same shit? She just don't write songs bashing Joe exotic. She just ain't a thug like Joe.

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I'm gonna write him. I'm sure he would write that. After watching his after watching that, I think his heart was in the wrong place, but his brain wasn't.

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Oh yeah, there's too many drugs.

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If he wouldn't have done the drugs, he would have been a fine guy. I think he really did care for those animals. Oh yeah. I think so. But it's just his brain was not. That's what I mean though. How is she not in fucking jail? And she needs to be.

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Like, that's an animal that needs multiple fucking. What was that stupid thing she would say?

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Hey, cool cool cat's kittens. Hey, cool cats and kittens.

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Did she always wear like an animal print or something?

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She always wore cat print. Always wore cat print. I would start doing that. Fucking weird. Just take my hearing out when she talks. It's like nails on a scratchboard.

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I would much rather listen to him talk than her. Oh, me too. It cracks me up every time. Get off me, stupid bitch.

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But yeah, anyways. Back to the ocean. The ocean's fucking scary. I was watching this TikTok. Always fucking TikToks, but this one girl. There's legit is there legit ghost ships? Like they're still sailing. Yeah, there's all that ships that do. Well, she got a video of it. It was like from I don't know how old. It was from the 1800s. Still floating. Yeah, there's still ships out there that are still just floating around in the ocean. So creepy. So creepy. And then you have what the oh we need to do over the sirens. Those are creepy bitches. But anyways. Yes. Ghost ships, vessels found drifting without a live crew still exist and are occasionally found in modern oceans. That's so scary. What would you I mean, I'd be curious to jump on it, but at the same time. These are typically derelict abandoned ships from maritime accidents, illegal activity, or financial abandonment. Yeah. Um the Sam Ratuna Ratunaguni? A 500-foot cargo ship found abandoned off the coast of Myanmar, has been adrift after its tow line snapped. The SS Bakomo, abandoned in 1931 in Alaskan ice. This vessel was sighted and boarded multiple times over the next 40 years, becoming a legend a legendary Arctic ghost ship. High AIM 6, a Taiwanese fishing boat found in the Indian Ocean with full storage but no crew, later revealed to be a case of mutiny.

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Ew.

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A as of 2025, the Caroly. A recent case where a fishing boat was found drifting off Northern California with no signs of its owner.

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Jeez.

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Yeah, this one. This is the one the video. It was the sailboat. Real bait real Bark Europa, a historic. It was built in 1911. But they called it now the Ocean Wanderer.

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Nice.

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I saw that. Isn't it eerie?

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Three red scales.

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You can just tell it's from it's old as hell. They say when the sea takes you, it takes you. I would be curious to get on it and see what's on there though.

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Well, that one'd be a little easier.

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Yeah. I wanna know how much treasure is in the ocean. Yeah. But by the time the Queen Mary was retired in 1967, her journey should have been over.

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No more crossings, no more passengers, no more war.

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Just a ship permanently docked in Long Beach, California. But something didn't stay behind in the ocean.

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It came with her.

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Almost immediately, Staff began reporting strange activity. Footsteps in empty hallways.

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Doors opening on their own.

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Voices coming from rooms with no one inside. At first, it was easy to dismiss.

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Old ship? Strange sounds.

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But the reports didn't stop. They got more specific. Deep inside the ship, there's a room that hasn't been used in decades.

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The first class swimming pool.

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Drained, empty, silent. But people say it's not.

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Visitors have reported seeing figures standing near the edge of the pool.

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A woman in white. Men in suits. Always a fucking woman in white. Why is it always a woman in white? Why can't she be in like pink or purple?

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Well, because if you think of it.

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Black dark hairs. But again, back in back then, with it being a luxury nightgown. They had to wear luxury suits. That's the only thing I can think of. It's always woman in white because that's what women back then would wear. White nightgowns, I guess.

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Can't remember the name of the movie. I think it might have been called Woman in White, but she like the kid, little kid like sees her walking through the school and shit, and I'm like, nope.

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Yeah, that's bringing me back to Ghost Ship. I love that movie. That was my first horror movie. I remember it very specifically because my cousin Brittany had me watch it at six years old, and I remember watching the scene where they're all on the ch on the cr uh up on the top deck. And here goes the line. I feel like that's like an iconic opening now. Like everyone knows. And then I don't like Final Destination with the logs. Logs. Yeah. I I used to have nightmares of that little girl in the beginning of Ghost Ship. I don't know why. Like when she screams. Oh, after they've all been. Yes, I I would have a nightmare of her. No, actually, it's funny about the logs. Yesterday I was reading an article where this guy, this truck driver, was recently killed by a log company. I think I've seen that, yes. I was and every comment was like, every millennial final destination. I'm like, fuck yeah. Like I don't watch those not too long ago. I don't get behind any any type of vehicle carrying any sort of wood. Like a door. The cars that carry the vehicle. Nope.

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Yeah, car haulers. Nope.

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Nothing. I don't get behind any of that shit. Like we on our on 270 yesterday, we got behind a guy who was like kept smacking his brakes and he had wood in the back of his truck, and I told Michaela, I said, fuck this, nope. Yeah. I sped up around him. I was doing 90 to get around this dude because I was like, fuck this, nope, not not no final destination for me. And you always know if there's a log hauler coming through somewhere, because you always see everyone just getting immediately right around him. Like the whole line of traffic is just like you know each and every one of those people in these cars have seen final destinations, so they know. Exactly. Like my grandmother, who's 86, if she would still be driving today and she'd get behind a log, she wouldn't know. I know. And I would tell her to be like, get away from the log truck now. Shit, I don't even like getting near fucking big 18 wheelers. I don't either. I always feel like when the first time I went to Florida with Caleb's family, when we were in Georgia going through Atlanta, we got boxed in by tractor trailers. And I was having a panic attack. I was like, Yeah, that's get me out, get me out, get out of here. Well, especially what happened last summer down here on 55 the truck the truck just brought I must have dozed off. Women in white, men in suits. Just watching.

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Others claim they've heard splashing.

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Footsteps on wet tile when the floor is completely dry. And shadows moving across the water. That isn't there.

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Like something is still using it.

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Then there's state room B 340. One of the most infamous rooms on the ship.

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So disturbing it was closed to guests for years.

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People who stayed there reported waking up in the middle of the night to the covers being pulled off their bodies.

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Lights turning on and off. On their own.

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Bathroom doors slamming shut. And something standing at the foot of the bed.

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Watching.

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Waiting for you to wake up. I always think of three-year-old Ted Bundy now just waiting the bed watching fucking psychopaths. Fucking knives around you and being around.

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Three-year-old Ted three-year-old Ted Bundy. I hate that part. Three years old? The fuck? Yeah. I hate the Ted Bundy part altogether, but Jesus Christ.

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But not everything reported on the Queen Mary feels aggressive.

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Some of it feels almost sad.

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Like it doesn't know it's gone. In the pole area, multiple people have reported encountering a little girl.

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She calls herself Jackie.

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She's been described as playful and curious. And completely unaware that no one else is there.

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People have claimed she speaks to them.

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Asking simple questions. Do you want to play?

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And then she disappears.

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I'm sorry, but when it comes to a kid haunting a ship, I can't do it. I can't do it.

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She's like, you want to play? Yeah. And she disappears. No. No. No. What the fuck?

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Where did you go? You just asked me if you wanted to play. I was like, okay, and now you're gonna fight. And then she giggles and Where'd you go?

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Yeah.

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I'm playing hide and seek. Fuck that. Well, you can go play hide and seek over there by yourself.

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You can yeah, go play hide and seek by yourself. Like you hide and I'll seek uh someone else.

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Right.

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No. I can't. I'll seek a preacher.

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It's always the fucking kids that give me the heebie jeebies, like I don't know what it is.

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Yeah, yeah, no matter what they're haunting. The little girl on Rose Red, the girl on Ghost Ship.

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Or the little boy on 13 Ghosts. Yes. It's just there's something like creepy about children ghosts. Um fuck her.

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I won't.

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Samara will forever haunt my dreams. I don't care. She is fucking scared. Do the grudge. Oh my god. I used to do that to one of my friends and it would freak them the fuck out because I could sound like it coming out of the TV, and she's like, stop. Yeah, nope. Over the years, these stories have continued.

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From guests.

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From staff. And from people who had no reason to believe any of it.

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And yet they all describe the same things.

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The same figures. The same sounds.

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The same feeling.

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That they weren't alone.

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When multiple people, strangers, describe the same experience, at what point does it stop being a coincidence?

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As soon as they all say the same exact thing. Right.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, because it's a coincidence, like, oh yeah, you and you said it, but then it's like, and you, and you, and you oh fuck. Oh my gosh.

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Like, oh, you saw that too? Like multiple people on multiple visitations, you're like, uh I mean it was kind of like when we went to the penitentiary, like hey Jackie, can we uh When I went into that woman's cell, the one that you and Casey were petrified to go into at first. Yes. I caught stuff in there. Yeah. Multiple things. It was eerie. That's why I wish we all three would have gone at the same time so we all could have been like, oh shit, we all caught the same thing. Yes. That that room alone was the creepiest, besides going into the dungeon. The gas chamber. And the gas chamber. It was what was eerie about that was you were walking the path what they saw to their death. Yes. You know, like seeing the big cross on the ground. It was creepy, but then you have me sitting in the gas chamber with my thumbs up. I'm like, hey. Don't you have those photos? You need to send me them. Because I don't have those ones. Yeah, those are fun. Yes, because even my mom was like, why do you have your thumbs up when you're in a gas chamber? People died on Z. Murderers, rapists died in Z. I'm like, because I'm sitting in a gas chamber. What else am I gonna do? Am I just gonna be like, eh, right? Yeah, but no, but thinking of like uh seeing these ghosts and stuff, it made me real. I wanna try to play in that game, like someone comes up to you and you're like, you can see me. You know, like the ghost. I wanna know. I'm gonna walk up to you on Walmart one day and be like, You can see me? Nobody else can see me. They're gonna be like, okay, what's wrong with this girl? Right. What's wrong with her? As the story surrounding the Queen Mary grew, so did the attention.

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Not just from tourists, but from investigators.

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Paranormal researchers, skeptics, documentary crews. All trying to answer the same question. Is any of this real?

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Over the years, multiple paranormal teams have conducted investigations aboard the ship.

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Using EMF detectors, voice recorders, and thermal cameras. Trying to capture something that shouldn't be there.

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Some claim they did.

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Electronic voice phenomena.

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Really? Katana. That's a canana phen that's a katana phenomena.

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Jackson, come here. Jackson. They just need to be part of our We're your hosts and then name bus so they're here. Jackson! Here's Katana! Here, Siri because they always seem to make their presence. Inchester! Inchester. Jackson, come here. Jackie. Oh my god. No, no. Oh my god. Hey, oh my god. Alright. No, oh my god. Jackson, get back over here.

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Go you gotta go okay.

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He's like, give me a second. Oh god.

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Oh yeah.

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Okay. And she's back out. Good. She's still out too. Alright. Electronic voice phenomena. EVPs.

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Whispers picked up on recordings that weren't heard in real time.

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Voices answering questions. Names and fragments.

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Hello.

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From something that wasn't there.

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But what unsettles people the most isn't what's recorded.

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It's what they feel.

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Sudden drops in temperature. Cold spots and rooms that were just warm.

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The feeling of being watched.

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Followed. Get touched when no one is there. And it's not just visitors.

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Staff members. People who work on the ship daily have reported the same experiences.

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Security guards, housekeeping, maintenance crews.

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People who knew every inch of the ship.

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People aren't scared to be there. One security guard reported hearing footsteps behind him while doing his rounds late at night.

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He stopped.

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They stopped. He walked again.

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They followed.

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But when he turned around, no one was there. Another employee claimed doors would open and close on their own, and areas sealed off to the public.

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Rooms that should have been emptied.

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Locked and undisturbed. Some even report hearing children.

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Running.

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Laughing. Calling out from empty hallways. That's when I'm turning around and leaving. Yeah.

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Even when no children are on board.

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But not everyone believes the Queen Mary is haunted.

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Skeptics argue there are explanations.

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The ship is old. Metal expands and contracts. Footsteps can travel through walls and seem like they're right behind you. And when people expect to experience something paranormal, their minds can fill in the rest. Especially in a place with this much history. This many stories.

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This much expectation.

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Because fear is powerful. So what's really happening on the Queen Mary?

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Is it residual energy left behind by tragedy?

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Spirits replaying moments they've never escaped. Or is it something else entirely?

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A combination of history, environment, and the human mind?

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Because whether it's real or just feels real, people keep experiencing it. The Queen Mary was never meant to be a place people feared.

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It was built for luxury.

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For travel and for movement. But now it doesn't go anywhere.

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Permanently docked.

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Frozen in time. Every hallway, every room, exactly where it's always been.

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Nothing leaving.

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And nothing changing. Just stay. Thousands of lives passed through this ship.

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Passengers.

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Soldiers. Crew members who spent years at sea.

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Some of them made it across.

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Some of them didn't. And some never really left. Because maybe places don't become haunted overnight.

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Maybe it's not one moment.

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Not one death. But layers.

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Built over time.

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Experience after experience. Until something starts to remain.

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The Queen Mary has been investigated.

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Debunked. And explored.

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Questioned.

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Explained. And still, the stories don't stop. Because whatever happened on that ship didn't stay in the past. So do you guys think places can hold on to what happened inside them? Or is it just us holding on to the story? I think it's both. Oh yeah. Well yeah, because I mean stories keep it alive. Mm-hmm. You know.

SPEAKER_03 27:32

Stories keep it alive, but experiences are I mean, actual happenings, you know, like people saw this stuff going down in the times. It was used for a warship. It was used for just a luxury vessel.

SPEAKER_05 27:44

Well, in history, you know, like she ha she reportedly sent or yeah, sailed how many people? Thousands and thousands, and then I mean she pretty much just crushed that whole ship. And they were the one ship. Just keep going, bitch. Just keep going.

SPEAKER_03 28:04

Killed 300 people on it.

SPEAKER_05 28:06

As the 300 people are sitting in the water. Um, the fuck? Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 28:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:10

Well, it says right here. Um during World War II, the ship operated as a troop transport. It is estimated that at least 47 of 57 people died on board during its service life. Um, and then it says, Of course, it's widely considered one of the most haunted places in the world, with over a hundred ghosts reportedly prowling the ship.

SPEAKER_03 28:34

Well, and that's very well possible because it energy stays. Energy holds on.

SPEAKER_05 28:40

Yeah. Ooh, and it says right here.

SPEAKER_03 28:43

Especially in tragic events.

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The top haunted locations are State Room, the pool, the B 340, the pool, and then Shaft Alley door 13. This is a site where 18-year-old crew member John Petter.

SPEAKER_01 28:56

Shaft Alley. What the fuck?

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This is the site where 18-year-old crew member John Petter was crushed in 1966, and visitors report seeing him in overalls or hearing clanging metal.

SPEAKER_03 29:08

Ooh. Crushed by the I guess the shaft thing. Oof.

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Engine room, intense heat, voices, and the sound of someone running or whistling have been reported here. Of course, the little girl Jackie.

SPEAKER_03 29:22

Damn Jackie.

SPEAKER_05 29:24

Damn it, Jackie!

SPEAKER_03 29:26

I can't change the weather.

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But yeah. I I would like to go see it though.

SPEAKER_03 29:30

It's in California, Long Beach? Mm-hmm. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 29:32

I don't know why, but I've always been obsessed with Titanic too, since ever since I was a kid. Something about it. You know. I've been obsessed with it. We should take a trip to Branson and go to the museum down there. I would love to see I I went there once in Las Vegas when they had it in Vegas. That was it was really cool.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

That's a weekend trip.

SPEAKER_05 29:50

They have like a bowl of water, like the temp what how cold it was that night. Like you can put your fingers in. And then it has a piece of the ship itself there. I don't it's really cool. But I don't know, something about Titanic is always like just haunting. We should definitely take a weekend trip there this summer. Because I know Caleb's been wanting to go to Branson. You know, I've never I think I've been when I was a kid, but I don't remember. I've been to Branson so many fucking times. All it is is Elvis Presley and freaking What the what's her name? Dolly Parton. That's all it is down there. There's nothing but impersonators of them guys down there. I mean, there is there is um I don't know if I think it's still down there, but it's Dolly it's like Dollywood, but it's um they do like horse shows and stuff like that. It's kind of like a like a medieval theater type thing. Oh, that'd be cool. And they you sit in the stands and they serve you like a three-course meal and all that kind of stuff. It's really cool. I'd like to go, yeah. And yeah, it was. I wanna go to New Orleans. That's where I want to go. That's a nine-hour drive. We need to do one over her. Uh is it Marie La Bada Bede? What's her name? The voodoo queen down there.

SPEAKER_03 31:04

The voodoo queen.

SPEAKER_05 31:06

What is her name? Marie LaBede.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

That's the only part I need. Living good? No, it's um. I don't know any voodoo queens.

SPEAKER_05 31:17

Dolly Parton Stampede. That's what it is. So, um join Dolly Parton Stampede for a festive holiday show featuring 32 horses, a North versus South Pole rivalry, rivalry, and the magical sugar plum fairy.

unknown 31:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 31:38

Yeah. But they s so um you will enjoy the holiday entertainment while dining our famous four-course meal. The menu includes stampines, original creamy vegetable soup, and hot buttery biscuits, as well as a whole rotisserie chicken, delicious hickory, smoked pulled pork, a whole rotisserie chicken, buttered corn on the cob, tasty homestyle mashed potatoes, and a specialty dessert in unlimited Coca-Cola tea or coffee. Good God. I'd go, I guess. It's Marie Laveau.

SPEAKER_02 32:11

Laveau.

SPEAKER_05 32:12

She was the voodoo queen in New Orleans. Yeah, I want to go there. It reminds me of what's her name from holes. Madame Zaroni. Zaroni. I love holes.

SPEAKER_02 32:24

You better take her up the mouth.

SPEAKER_05 32:27

You too.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

I'm tired of digging these holes. Grandpa, let's do something Madame Zaroni or something big about being cursed. I don't remember whenever it shoes. Yeah, I can't remember what.

SPEAKER_05 32:39

That was one of my favorites. I thought it was always cool when Shia LaBeouf cracks me up anyway, so. I just thought it was cool every time they talked about her nail polish. Um, what's her face? Um with the snake with the red venom in it. She like scratches. Let me scratch it now, bitch. Yes. It's gonna hurt. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And totally dig in these holes, grandpa. Man's name. Well, that's too damn bad. It's not.

SPEAKER_00 33:10

Yeah. Well, that's too damn bad.

SPEAKER_05 33:15

I love that.

SPEAKER_03 33:17

Mr. Sir. Yeah, Mr. Sir. That's probably why I want to be calling it. Because what is the name like Marilyn or something?

SPEAKER_05 33:22

Something like that. Yeah, Marion. You're correct.

SPEAKER_03 33:26

Marion.

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And that concludes this episode of Veil of Echoes. If you enjoyed tonight's episode, please make sure you're following the show on your favorite podcast platform. Leaving us a rating or a review helps our stories reach more listeners, and we truly appreciate your support.

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By this point, the disappearances weren't isolated anymore. Patterns were forming.

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Witnesses were coming forward.

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And for the first time, people started to realize this wasn't random. Composite sketches, survivor accounts, and a name starting to surface.

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Ted.

SPEAKER_05 34:23

Fucking Ted.

SPEAKER_03 34:25

And not the bear.

SPEAKER_05 34:26

I'm so I'm still. Why would you use your real name, you dumb ass? There's your reasoning, you just said it. Dumb ass. I'm just it just mind boggles me.

SPEAKER_03 34:38

The only sm oh, I guess I mean, being a murderer is not smart regardless, but the only smart thing he did was move. Like he used the same car, used the same name.

SPEAKER_05 34:48

They could put the pieces together, like, oh, this happened over here. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 34:52

If he wouldn't move from the first city, then he probably would have been caught a long time ago.

SPEAKER_05 34:57

Yeah, but until then, keep your ears open.

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And the bail closed.

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Siri said bye to bubbles. Bubbles. Bubbles said bye.