Ep. 58: Ted Bundy (Part 3) - The Escapes, The Florida Murders, and The Arrest

Ted Bundy is no longer hiding.

In Part 3 of our series, everything changes.

After escaping custody not once—but twice—Bundy disappears… and what follows is a rapid and terrifying escalation. The calculated patterns that once defined him begin to unravel, giving way to something far more reckless, far more visible—and far more dangerous.

From the Chi Omega sorority house attacks to the abduction of 12-year-old Kimberly Leach, this chapter explores the most chaotic and horrifying period of his crimes.

And then—just as quickly as it spirals—

it ends.

In a late-night traffic stop in Florida, everything catches up to him.

But as Bundy is finally taken into custody, his final words hint at something deeper… something darker… and something far from over.

🎙️ This is Part 3 of our Ted Bundy series.
 Part 4—the final chapter—dives into the trial, the confessions, and the execution.

🎧 Listener discretion is advised. This episode contains discussion of real-life violence and may not be suitable for all audiences.

🖤 SHOW NOTES

•  The timeline of Ted Bundy’s escapes from custody 
•  His move to Florida under an alias 
•  The Chi Omega sorority house attacks 
•  The abduction and murder of Kimberly Leach 
•  The escalation and breakdown of his previous patterns 
•  His arrest in Pensacola, Florida 
•  Evidence recovered at the time of arrest 
•  Bundy’s final statement upon capture 

🎧 REAL AUDIO USED

•  Archival news coverage discussing the search for Ted Bundy (1978) 
•  Courtroom and law enforcement-related audio (where applicable) 
•  Historical reporting related to Bundy’s arrest and identification 

(All audio used for educational and commentary purposes.)

📚 SOURCES

•  Ann Rule — The Stranger Beside Me
•  Kevin M. Sullivan — The Bundy Murders
•  Stephen G. Michaud & Hugh Aynesworth — The Only Living Witness
•  FBI Records: Ted Bundy Case Files 
•  Court documents and trial records (Florida, 1979–1980) 
•  Contemporary news reports from 1978 (Florida & Washington) 

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Transcript

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Beneath the ordinary world lies a veil, and behind it, the voices of the lost still whisper.

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We are your guides into the shadows, where true crime meets the paranormal.

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This is Vale of Echoes.

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Something has changed. The patterns, the control, the careful planning. It's slipping. By this point, Ted Bundy has already slipped through their hands more than once. He's not where he's supposed to be. He's not being watched. He's not contained. And now, he's not being careful.

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As we mentioned earlier in this newscast, Theodore Bundy is still at large in this hour. Sandy Gilmore's just returned from the scene, and we now have his reward.

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Bundy was being held here in the Garfield County jail because it is modern and said to be much more secure than facilities in Aspen about an hour away. Bundy's escape bordered on a Houdini escapade.

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For the first time, this isn't hidden. It's visible. It's escalating. And this is the moment where everything starts to fall apart.

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This is episode 58.

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Part three. Welcome back to Veil of Echoes, the podcast where true crime meets the unexplained, and where stories aren't just told, they're experienced.

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Hell yeah, buddy! Thank you. 69 countries.

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I mean, we just had 40 last week, so we keep we we keep going up. And then Pod News shared us.

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Newsletter page. Like weren't we also featured on Apples?

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And then a shout-out to Pod News for sharing us. That was awesome. Thank you all appreciated. Yes. But for now, let's go back to 1975.

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By 1975, Ted Bundy had already crossed state lines. Washington Utah and now Colorado. What had started as isolated disappearances was becoming something else. A pattern. One the investigators were only just beginning to understand. Jackie's doing it.

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And now Jackson is snoring. That's our dog He's always snoring.

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That's sleepy Jack. That was her mouth.

SPEAKER_02 5:54

Oh my gosh. It's just we're just having a We're gonna put it right here right now. That was her mouth, not her ass. Just try to ignore ignore the different sound effects.

SPEAKER_06 6:04

Um yeah, but it's just the ambience.

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January twelfth, nineteen seventy-five. Snow Mass Village, Colorado. A resort. Families, guests moving through the halls. And somewhere in that space, something doesn't make sense. Twenty-three-year-old Karen Campbell, a registered nurse, disappears. Not from a dark road, not from an empty street, but from a well-lit hallway, just steps away from her room. Her body isn't found until weeks later, miles away. Blunt force trauma. Evidence of a second weapon. This wasn't hesitation. It was confidence.

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Two months later, March 15th, at Bale, Colorado, 26-year-old Julie Cunningham leaves her apartment to meet a friend. She never makes it. He approaches her on crutches, asking for help at the same method refined practice. Her body was never found.

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And it didn't stop there. Denise Oliverson taken while riding her bike. Lynette Culver, twelve years old, taken from school. Susan Curtis disappears from a university campus. Different places, different lives, same pattern.

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And through all of this, he's still moving. Still blending in. Still free. Until August 16th, 1975. A Utah Highway Patrol Officer pulls over a Volkswagen beetle at the driver Ted Bundy.

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At first, it doesn't seem like much. Just another stop. But inside the car, there are things that don't belong. A mask, handcuffs, a crowbar. Tools that don't have innocent explanations. But it wasn't just the items inside the car. It was how the car itself had been set up.

SPEAKER_06 8:26

Ted Bundy reminds me of Al Bundy, but Al Bundy's not a murderer.

unknown 8:30

Al Bundy.

SPEAKER_06 8:31

Married with children.

SPEAKER_01 8:32

Married with children. Oh. Love and marriage. Katie Seagull was his actual name.

SPEAKER_06 8:38

I don't know his real name.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

Goes together like a horse and carriage. Huh.

SPEAKER_06 8:42

I don't know the guy's actor's name, but that's the first name I've seen Katie Katie Seagull on. Seagull. Like Sagal.

SPEAKER_03 8:50

Seagull.

SPEAKER_06 8:50

Just like uh God, what is his name?

SPEAKER_01 8:53

Seagull.

SPEAKER_06 8:54

Steven S Steven Seagal.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

Ed O'Neal.

SPEAKER_06 8:58

Ed O'Neal. I was like, I don't know his name, but he's an actual black belt and something. Jesus. He gotta whoop Ted Bundy's ass. Get him out.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

It's just like Jason Statham. Jason Statham will rock you.

SPEAKER_03 9:16

Yeah, but apparently, um so the patrol officer started going after him in the first place because Ted Bundy's an idiot and saw his patrol car, so started fleeing at a high speed. I mean he kind of made it obvious. Dumbass.

SPEAKER_09 9:37

Nervous much.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

And then, of course, it says, um, searching the car, he found a ski mask, a second mask fashioned from pantyhose, a crowbar, handcuffs, trash bags, a coil of rope, an ice pick, and other items initially assumed to be burglary tools. Bundy explained that the ski mask was for skiing.

SPEAKER_06 9:58

We're in Colorado, officer.

SPEAKER_03 10:01

Where are you tall, dumbass? Oh. He had found the handcuffs and a dumpster, and the rest were common household items.

SPEAKER_06 10:09

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:10

Yeah, that's not. Yeah, but look.

SPEAKER_06 10:16

Yeah, that's not uh like these are for skiing, sir. What the fuck? Where are you skiing? What do you want?

SPEAKER_02 10:21

What were handcuffs to ski for? This cop when you saw these items.

SPEAKER_05 10:24

Like right here is like the what are they called? Like the The Bundy Kit. The Bundy Kit. It's a murder kit. The murder kit. That's exactly what that is.

SPEAKER_03 10:33

There's a flashlight, that's a disposal kit. An ice pick. Yeah. Two masks, gloves, a crowbar. Wow, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:42

These are all my items scheme, West Officer.

SPEAKER_06 10:45

Idiot. I know he's not our second episode, but I know who the second row should be.

SPEAKER_03 10:51

Yeah. No, but yeah, he's an idiot. But anyways.

SPEAKER_06 10:57

Old Ted Buggy.

SPEAKER_03 10:59

But it wasn't just the items inside the car. It was how the car itself had been set up. The passenger seat had been removed. The space rearranged.

SPEAKER_06 11:10

Not for storage. Not for convenience. But for something else.

SPEAKER_03 11:16

Yeah. And again, you found these items, and then you see the passenger door or I would have been like, alright.

SPEAKER_01 11:24

Get the fuck out of the car. Dumbass.

SPEAKER_06 11:27

What happened to the door seat?

SPEAKER_03 11:29

Wasn't his uh I thought the door handle was missing too.

SPEAKER_06 11:32

On the inside. Like, so they couldn't get the side. I thought it was the inside. You can only go be open from the outside.

SPEAKER_03 11:38

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like, okay.

SPEAKER_06 11:41

Yeah, that's the weird thing.

SPEAKER_03 11:42

I'd be like, sir, okay.

SPEAKER_06 11:43

I'd be like the guy from uh a haunted house. Instead of what happened to your furniture, like, what happened to your seat, cuz?

SPEAKER_03 11:48

You have these items, but then why is your passenger seat missing?

SPEAKER_06 11:53

Like, where the fuck did you get this car from?

SPEAKER_03 11:56

Or it like the fucking cop from the Dahmer. He pulls over Dahmer and then he does he had um his first wasn't it the first victim? No.

SPEAKER_01 12:04

Yeah. It was, I think it was the first one.

SPEAKER_03 12:07

He had in trash bags, and then what was his excuse? Oh, it's lawn clippings.

SPEAKER_01 12:10

Lawn clippings, yeah. And the officer's like, alright, have a good day.

SPEAKER_06 12:15

Whose grass were you cutting? Well, who was it that got caught with the dead body in the back of the vehicle? They got pulled over and they had one of their victims in the trunk.

SPEAKER_03 12:26

That was Dahmer.

SPEAKER_06 12:27

Was it Dahmer?

SPEAKER_03 12:28

But he got away. He said it was gas claims.

SPEAKER_06 12:30

There was somebody that was actually busted because they were pulled over and they had like somebody in the bed of the truck, and the officer actually checked it. This I'm gonna have to look it up because I could have sworn it was one of those fucking weirdos of glasses and fucking facial hair. I don't know. It's not just Raider, but it's a big thing.

SPEAKER_01 12:44

I know I watched a video recently of a guy that was driving along and got pulled over by the cops, and the cops smelt something coming from his car, and he was like, Oh, it's just this or it's just that. And then he runs and then they open up the the trunk and there's a dead body, and he's like, Oh yeah, that's in there.

unknown 13:03

What?

SPEAKER_01 13:04

I mean that's kind of something you don't forget. Or there was just another one that I had seen of a a woman. Jesus. It was a woman who was driving her her car, she got pulled over and her back glass was shattered out. Well, there was blood everywhere in the car. And she kept saying, It's deer meat. It's deer meat.

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I saw that one, I believe. I'm just like deer. What the fuck do you mean it's deer meat? What Are you I was watching one on Scoops where they went to do a ch or uh health checkup and the person was like in the garage in a fucking trash bin, and they're like, Oh I don't know where they're at. I don't know where they're would mind if we check around? Or the guy that killed his roommate and their family came to check and he's like, Can we go upstairs? Um I'd rather you not go upstairs. Yeah, rather you not do that. Like, you're being way too obvious of like he'd stand in front of the stairs and it's like Is that the one that like he came to the door and was just like, Yeah, he's trying not to even let them be.

SPEAKER_01 14:00

I mean you can come in, but it's probably not the best idea.

SPEAKER_06 14:11

It's a mess because you made it a mess. And then he finally lets them in and they're like, Oh, can we go upstairs and check on them? Oh my nuts. There was just one two of uh you wanna give you can I have that cigarette now? You want that cigarette?

SPEAKER_01 14:23

There's just one of a person who I, you know, identified as it was a male identified as a female. The two cops were like, Well, we need to come in and do a welfare check on so-and-so, and he's like, Her car's here, but she's out of town. Yes, I she's been letting me stay here. She's been letting me stay here.

SPEAKER_06 14:40

Okay, most eerie ones, but come on, bro. The vehicle's still here.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

We have a welfare check. We have to go through with the welfare check. We have to make sure the person's okay. Well, I'm I'm running the house from her right now. She's out of town.

SPEAKER_06 14:53

Was it still parked in the garage? No, it was out on the street. Okay, because I've seen one similar where they're like, they told her, Oh, they're not here, and they like went around and looked in the window, like, the car's still here, the car's still here, and they're like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_01 15:05

There's a while. Well, he was like, they the the person finally let him in the house, and they were looking around, and there's like piles of clothes. And they're like, There's probably something underneath these piles of clothes. Nothing under the pile of clothes. Deep freezer. The deep freezer's locked.

SPEAKER_06 15:24

Why did you why is your meat freezer locked?

SPEAKER_01 15:27

Uh and as as this person's outside, he's like, Don't look at the freezer.

SPEAKER_06 15:33

Oh my god. Isn't that thinking about was that where you can check everywhere, but hey, you don't want to look in that freezer.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

I'd like to do a case over this too. And they had to get a locksmith to come out to open up the the freezer, and the locksmith was like, I know that smell.

SPEAKER_06 15:49

Would you rather be the officer and like have them lie like that and you be like, I already know what's going on, or walk up and that boy be like, hey, you wanna know why we're here? You wanna know why our parents called you? What's what's in your bedroom? A human head and hand.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

A human head and head.

SPEAKER_06 16:03

I'd rather you have lied about it. I'd rather be like, I already know what's gonna happen, but it's when they're upfront about us. Like, man, I want you to become clean eventually, but he's so nonchalant about that. So Ed Kemper. So Kimper. That kid's at least human head and hands. Oh my gosh. Like it's normal to have that in a pizza box. I'm just like video. Oh my gosh. Alright, bro, I reenact it.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

What the f You definitely need to be behind bars the rest of your life.

SPEAKER_06 16:28

He was even telling them the noises and making the noises as he was reenacting. I'm like, alright, kick this kid.

SPEAKER_03 16:34

Yeah. That's what, 17? Thinking of the freezer. The Ber Bernie Jackbuck.

SPEAKER_06 16:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:41

The teed? Is that his last name?

SPEAKER_06 16:43

I don't know, but he was a few.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

But Marjorie, yeah, she was in the freezer. Do you remember that? I where he was uh Was it husband and wife? No.

SPEAKER_06 16:52

Well, they were kind of I don't know if they were romantically They were friends. He used to take care of her. She was like 20 something plus years older than him, but she's a few.

SPEAKER_03 17:01

Because he was a um mortician.

SPEAKER_06 17:04

Oh yeah, he was a it was just weird it was a weird thing seeing Jack Black play that part.

SPEAKER_01 17:10

I know that there was recently a case of a husband and a wife, and the the husbands did something to his wife and put her in the freezer and she was still alive. Jesus. Yeah, like she was barely alive, but she was still she still had a pulse, and the police got her out of the freezer. That's terrible. And he's like, I love her. I'm like, you all of you say that all the time. You're almost like, I loved her, I loved her, I loved him, I loved him. We need to have a little deal.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

Mini sort of like dumbass remark like that. Like, are you serious?

SPEAKER_03 17:41

I'm just like or like that one case. It was uh I poured Anna Anna Freeze, I mean cranberry juice.

SPEAKER_06 17:49

Oh my god. Dumbass.

SPEAKER_01 17:54

It can be almost like the roast, but dumbass dumbasses from the veil.

unknown 17:59

Dumbasses.

SPEAKER_01 18:01

Yeah. Idiots. We're gonna do dumbasses from the veil.

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I still wanna do the echoes and airwaves. Yeah, that's cool. Your turn.

SPEAKER_01 18:11

Here, you want me to put you to sleep like I did the last time?

unknown 18:15

Damn.

SPEAKER_05 18:16

She's like, yeah, I'll take it.

SPEAKER_02 18:17

So I'm gonna pass around. Better get a picture, Lindsay. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_05 18:25

Start sending over your mom.

SPEAKER_01 18:27

Murder is being made, is being planned. Murder.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

That's funny.

SPEAKER_01 18:35

How is your mom? She's good.

SPEAKER_02 18:37

It's good.

SPEAKER_01 18:38

She didn't have a heart attack. Oh she what? Her cardiologist called her. So why'd they tell her she?

SPEAKER_02 18:49

Oh. Excuse you.

SPEAKER_01 18:52

She's talking.

SPEAKER_06 18:53

She's like, those damn cardiologists.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

Yeah, cardiologist called her. So she never had a heart attack, no blockages, nothing. They have no idea. What what the then what? What? Yep. That's why I told her I said this is why you needed a way to hear from the cardiologist instead of thinking that that's what you had. I said, because the primary care doctor doesn't know shit.

SPEAKER_03 19:16

No.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

No, because they're your primary care.

SPEAKER_03 19:19

Yeah, they don't specialize in that.

SPEAKER_06 19:21

Yeah, they pretty much do what I can do. They give you fucking Tylenol until you go lay down for a while.

SPEAKER_00 19:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 19:29

It's like anybody can fucking read up on Wikipedia and do the primary and be like, oh, your legs hurt. Well here, take some Madvil and tell me how your joints feel tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01 19:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 19:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

Okay. She yeah. She was like, no, you didn't feel a heart attack. Well, I mean, good. That's awesome. I was like, But like your poor mom thought she was.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

I know, you know.

SPEAKER_06 19:47

Yeah, because that's fucked. Like, uh, something's wrong. It hurt.

SPEAKER_03 19:50

So so yeah, well, she's good then.

SPEAKER_06 19:53

But then what happened? They don't know?

SPEAKER_01 19:55

They her back pain they're just saying is arthritis.

SPEAKER_03 19:59

Well, hey, we'll take that over.

SPEAKER_01 20:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:03

Huh.

unknown 20:04

Huh.

SPEAKER_06 20:04

It just seems very intense to cause a chest issue.

SPEAKER_01 20:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:08

It's like if that's where she was feeling it, like.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

She was all of her back pain, she I mean, she has bad back pain. And they said that for women, one sign of a heart attack is back pain. Because for women it's different from men. Of course.

SPEAKER_06 20:26

Always.

SPEAKER_03 20:29

Well, I don't think they know what they're talking about.

SPEAKER_06 20:31

It's like we were ended engineered differently.

SPEAKER_03 20:35

Are you okay, Lindsay?

SPEAKER_01 20:36

Yeah, it's my pot expires. So I'll say it's about that time.

unknown 20:41

Ow.

SPEAKER_03 20:43

The passenger seat had been removed, the space rearranged.

SPEAKER_06 20:48

Not for storage, not for convenience, but for something else.

SPEAKER_03 20:54

A space that made it harder to get out. A space designed for control.

SPEAKER_01 21:00

And later, he sold the car. Like it was nothing.

SPEAKER_03 21:06

But by then, someone had already experienced exactly what that space was for. And for the first time, something doesn't hold. Because now there's someone who saw him. Carol Duranche. And she identifies him. And suddenly, he's not invisible anymore. And for the first time, he's not in control.

SPEAKER_06 21:32

By the time Ted Bundy was facing prosecution in Colorado, the case against him still wasn't complete. Not in the way people imagined. Not airtight. Not finished. There was pressure. There were investigators across multiple states comparing notes, trying to turn a pattern into something they could prove. And somehow even then he was still finding spaces inside the system.

SPEAKER_03 22:07

Because this part of the story isn't just about what he had already done. It's about what happened next. How a man already tied to abduction already on investigators' radar was still able to slip through their hands. Not once, but twice.

SPEAKER_06 22:26

June 7th, 1977. Pitkin County Courthouse, Aspen, Colorado. Bundy had chosen to act as his own attorney. Which gave him unusual access.

SPEAKER_03 22:42

Which is I don't understand because he net he did not get his law degree. He went to law school.

SPEAKER_01 22:48

You ever notice that they always let some of these people do that? Probably because they know it's setting them up for failure. Well, that and the entertainment that come on. It was entertainment.

unknown 22:57

Like you dumbass.

SPEAKER_06 22:58

Then again, and I'm pretty sure it's protected by like our constitution that you're allowed to be your own. Yeah. You're allowed to represent yourself without legal representation from the state or hiring somebody else. It's a wild play, but.

SPEAKER_01 23:14

And there's people that do it.

SPEAKER_06 23:15

They allow yeah. This motherfucker. I'm surprised Murdoch didn't do it.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

And there are some people that are in the middle of the day.

SPEAKER_06 23:20

I am honestly surprised he didn't, because he actually had a law degree, did it for decades.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Oh yeah, his whole family.

SPEAKER_06 23:26

He was a community. He knew he was done. There's nothing he could say beyond that point. What would he say? Well, when I left for my mom's house and didn't run me, I mean I mean I was uh uh I wasn't there.

SPEAKER_03 23:37

Wasn't I thought his appeal was coming up. Wasn't it come up in February? But I didn't hear nothing more of it.

SPEAKER_06 23:43

Yeah, I haven't heard anything either.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

I'm curious now.

SPEAKER_06 23:47

Cause he probably didn't win it. Yeah, because like there's no there's no everything points to you, man. I'm sorry, like I mean I'm not sorry. I didn't do shit, but you did it to yourself.

SPEAKER_03 23:58

Good god he's tall.

SPEAKER_06 24:01

Most of 'em are. That still kills me, like in the name of Albert Fish, you couldn't call him like Fish something.

SPEAKER_03 24:13

Okay, so of course, Murdoch. So this was in February. It says Well Murdoch admitted to the financial crimes, he has consistently maintained he did not kill his wife and son, and he is seeking a new trial to prove his innocence.

SPEAKER_06 24:27

He's still pretty crazy. Something like the Murdoch case and uh what was the other? There's another one. There's just so much evidence that you can't really it's all stacked up against you.

SPEAKER_03 24:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_06 24:42

Like, even from what his mom's house or his mom's caretaker, she's like, well, that's the first time he's ever came over at night, and he didn't stay long. Like, hmm, I wonder why. Alibi.

SPEAKER_03 24:54

On February 11th, 2026, Scouth Carolina Sack Scout. The South Carolina Supreme Court heard oral arguments regarding Alec Murdoch's appeal for a new trial following his 2023 murder conviction focused on alleged jury tampering by clerk Becky Hill. Justice's question of a single juror being influenced warranted a new trial. A ruling is expected by late April.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

Well, it's coming up.

SPEAKER_05 25:22

Stay tuned.

SPEAKER_03 25:23

Yep, so we'll see what that says. Old Alec Murdoch.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Dumbass Murdoch. I'm telling you, the a majority of these people just need to be labeled in prison as dumbass inmate one. Dumbass inmate two.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

I know, I agree.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Like, you need you need that label on your your file. Dumbass number one. Please take the stand. Yeah. I didn't do it. Dumbass, yes, you did.

SPEAKER_03 25:50

Dumbass. Yes. We need red foreman.

SPEAKER_06 25:54

Yeah. Bundy had chosen to act as his own attorney, which gave him unusual access. He wasn't being handled like every other defendant. He was allowed movement. Allowed documents. Allowed time to work on his case. And during a recess, he asked to go to the courthouse law library. A normal request. Reasonable routine.

SPEAKER_02 26:33

They just let him go unattended. Okay. America's law just system coming for you. Anyways.

SPEAKER_03 26:42

And that's what made it dangerous. Because routine was where he always did his best work.

SPEAKER_06 26:50

Inside the library, he moved out of sight, opened a window, and jumped from the second floor of the courthouse. I'm sorry. And nobody was like, uh, should we go tell them there's someone jumping out the fucking window?

SPEAKER_02 27:07

But why wouldn't they let him go unattended, though? I don't get it.

SPEAKER_06 27:11

I don't I don't either.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

Again, America's justice system. Yep. The fi the the finest.

SPEAKER_06 27:19

This was in Colorado?

SPEAKER_01 27:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 27:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

You know, it It just reminds me of a video I watched last night of a guy that was high on fentanyl.

SPEAKER_02 27:32

Oh Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 27:34

Running from the cops. Okay. Crashed his girlfriend's Jeep into a Tesla. Oh. Like, just he They were just doing a traffic stop on him because he was doing 86 in a 60. And instead he decided when the cop came up behind him he was just gonna whip a UI and then took off. Cop caught up with him and he hit a Tesla head on. Got out of the Jeep, started running for it. One of the cops ran up to him and caught him.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

Jeez.

SPEAKER_01 28:07

And he's like, they're telling him to get on the ground. He's like, no, I'm not getting on the ground. I'm not getting on the ground. He finally told the cops that he was high off of fentanyl. They take him to the hospital after the wreck. He runs from the hospital.

SPEAKER_03 28:21

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Buck ass nude.

unknown 28:24

Oh no.

SPEAKER_01 28:25

Shits on himself. Oh. And he's still fighting the security guards. And he's running outside of the hospital, running down the road. Buck ass nude, and one of the security guards is running after him. And another security guard finally catches up, gets the guy on the ground, they get him back in the hospital, and and this this officer's like, dude, you've already got felony charges. You keep racking them up. Right. And he goes, My arm's broke though.

unknown 28:53

What?

SPEAKER_01 28:54

He goes, I don't give a shit what your what's wrong with your arm, bro. You keep racking up fucking charges, bro.

SPEAKER_02 29:01

Oh my gosh, idiots.

SPEAKER_03 29:04

And just like that, a man being prosecuted for murder gone through a window.

SPEAKER_07 29:11

Bundy jumped out of this second-story window at the front of the Pitkin County Courthouse this morning. He was scheduled for a court appearance and apparently had been locked into the law library by sheriff's deputies while attorneys were arguing a motion to strike the death penalty. Witnesses say he left in a hurry, however, nobody saw him open the window, and he escaped clean in an unknown direction.

SPEAKER_06 29:32

He injured his ankle in the fall. But he kept moving through asp into the mountain. Into the woods. He broke into a hunting cabinet, stole food, clothing, rifle, and kept going. For days. He moved through the wilderness trying to get farther south. But he got lost. Cold, exhausted. And in pain.

SPEAKER_03 30:05

I just wanna know what he thought. Like, obviously, you're you are um uh one of the most hype prolific serial killers.

SPEAKER_01 30:16

Let's get the Ouija board out, fucking ass the fucker. Yeah What made you what in in what yeah? Dumb ass motherfucker. He thought he was smart. I mean You know, have you ever noticed though, like a lot of these serial killers have a high IQ, but they literally lack the most common sense ever. Yes. Uh-huh. I'd much rather have a low IQ and have common sense. Oh, definitely. Yeah, me too. Like there the common sense window, like that just goes out the window. Idiot. Like nowhere to be found. No, he's dumb. And even then, even injured, even exposed to the elements, he kept trying to stay ahead of them. That matters. Because it tells you something about him. Not panic, not desperation alone, but control, planning, and persistence.

SPEAKER_06 31:27

After six days, he stole a car near an aspen golf course. But he was worn down, sleep deprived, driving erratically, and police stopped him. He was caught and taken back.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

I'm gonna drive this car when I haven't slept in six days. This is gonna be the perfect time for me to go. Right. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06 32:00

Probably felt like Mario on that golden mushroom.

SPEAKER_03 32:04

Yeah. And that should have been the end of it. It should have been the moment every weakness in the system closed around him. It should have been enough, but it wasn't.

SPEAKER_06 32:18

Back in jail, he started planning again. This time more carefully. More patiently. According to later accounts, he got a floor plan for the jail. A hacksaw blade cash smuggled in over time. And he began preparing quietly inside his cell.

SPEAKER_01 32:41

How in the fuck did he get a hacksaw blade? Or the floor plan of the jail. I'm not too concerned about that. I'm concerned about the hacksaw blade. How the fuck do you get a hacksaw blade?

unknown 32:52

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 32:53

They have ways. You stupid fuck!

SPEAKER_03 32:59

Yeah. Yeah, and I think it was uh she comes in later, but that Carol Boone bitch. I think it comes she was giving him cash.

SPEAKER_06 33:08

Oh, the woman he impregnated and married? Yes. She believed his innocence wildly. She was dumb. She was definitely something, because like what the fuck? But yeah, we'll get into that later. Like, what's her evidence? That's what I want to know. Yeah. He's just a good man and gave me a good dick, and now I think he's innocent. Sorry. I didn't know you were drinking it, my bad.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

Gross.

SPEAKER_06 33:36

I was looking at this and then just think. Why does she think he's so innocent? She's gross.

SPEAKER_02 33:43

She's a gross bitch.

SPEAKER_06 33:45

She even looks gross. She looked kind of reminds me of uh that she'd hang out with what's uh candy.

SPEAKER_03 33:51

That's yeah she did. She look ew. Ugh. Yeah. But Kurt didn't go bang himself.

SPEAKER_04 33:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 33:59

Gross. He lost weight. Enough weight that his body could fit where it hadn't before. And in the evenings while other inmates were showering, he saw a hole into the ceiling of his cell. Small at first. Then enough. Enough to pull himself upward. Enough to disappear.

SPEAKER_01 34:24

There were reports. Movement in the ceiling at night. Sounds warnings.

SPEAKER_02 34:33

Will you hear that up there? Oh, it's just Ted Bundy creeping around trying to get out of me.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

Man, that rat won't shut the fuck up.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 34:44

Sorry. And they weren't followed. Everyone's just dumb back then or something.

SPEAKER_02 34:53

That's what I want to know. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_06 34:55

That's what I'm guessing, because how the fuck did she smog smuggle in a hacksaw blade? Like.

SPEAKER_03 35:00

No, I don't know if she no, no, I said the cash. He was giving him cash.

SPEAKER_06 35:04

She gave him the cat. That's what I read. Okay, I was about to say.

SPEAKER_03 35:07

I don't know where he got this blade from or the the floor plan.

SPEAKER_01 35:11

In the hacksaw blade, it's not that easy to just hide. No, like it's it's gonna be long and noticeable enough.

SPEAKER_06 35:20

Especially when you go to hand it off. Like, how the fuck? What? Probably during all those times they're letting them meet up intimately, she was handing him this stuff. Because how else did how else was he able to impregnate her? Because the whole time he knew her he was locked up besides a few things that we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 35:34

Because the guards weren't they didn't care.

SPEAKER_06 35:36

Exactly, so that's pretty sure that's what I read. They're lucky he wasn't a cop killer.

SPEAKER_03 35:42

Yeah. He got it from other inmates.

SPEAKER_06 35:45

Uh, okay. Yeah, because I guess the money he was probably paying them and they were probably sending it.

SPEAKER_03 35:50

Okay. It was smuggled into the facility by his wife, Carol Boone. Damn, how the fuck?

SPEAKER_02 35:55

How the fuck did she get?

SPEAKER_03 35:56

Where'd she put it at? The blades, along with roughly$500 in cash, were smuggled to Bundy by a female acquaintance, later identified as his future wife, Carol Ann Boone, during the six months leading up to the escape. Did she get locked up? I don't I fucking kind of like Cindy Hindi.

SPEAKER_06 36:15

She may at this point she's an accomplice because she's trying to help him escape, and if he gets back out, he's gonna do the same shit. And she thinks she's just gonna live a fat she was probably gonna murder her too.

SPEAKER_04 36:25

I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 36:26

Idiots, idiots.

SPEAKER_01 36:27

Well, I mean who knows, maybe she was gonna get in on the murdering spree with him.

SPEAKER_06 36:32

Who fucking knows Bonnie and Clyde? Maybe. Because wasn't he with somebody the whole time he was doing all that? Poor Elizabeth. All the way up until Colorado days, or she left.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

Yeah, they I think they started to break up around that time.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

You know, I f I feel I her, I do feel I feel bad for Bonnie and Clyde. Oh because nobody ever came Wasn't she wanting to be a model or something? Sh something like that, but nobody ever came to identify her body or to I'm sorry, to pick up they had no one. Well Clyde did. Clyde had family, but she nobody came to get the body, nothing. Like she was just still one of my favorite ones. Well, did she burn she burned a lot of bridges? What do you expect? I it's kind of sad just because I was like, damn, at least Clyde had somebody.

SPEAKER_06 37:27

Well that's why I said they didn't like Bonnie, because when they like did the autopsy, she had way more bullet holes than she yeah, she They fucking shot the fuck out of her and just hit him a few times to kill him. They made sure she was done.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 37:40

But she was also the powerhouse too. Like, she was the mind behind it. Like he went along with it, but she's the one who's like, let's do it.

SPEAKER_03 37:47

I did was it that a movie or a TV show with Emile Hirsch?

SPEAKER_06 37:50

That was the movie. That was a good one.

SPEAKER_03 37:52

Clyde, that was a good one. I like I enjoyed that one. Yeah. It's interesting.

SPEAKER_06 37:56

Like, I don't agree with what they did. The story was good watching it.

SPEAKER_03 38:00

No, I mean I can see why I mean that is sad.

SPEAKER_06 38:03

Because that's even how the movie started. Like the marshals were all lined up on the side of the road that they were supposed to be driving down and unloaded, and then it took us back in time to how it all started.

SPEAKER_03 38:12

I'd like to watch that again.

SPEAKER_06 38:14

Me too.

SPEAKER_03 38:18

That part matters too, because this wasn't magic. It wasn't myth. It wasn't some superhuman vanishing act. It was a failure to take seriously what he was willing to do.

SPEAKER_06 38:31

By late December 1977, his next trial was approaching. The pressure was building again, and Bundy made his move. On the night of December 30th, with much of the jail staff away for the holidays, he built a decoy in his bed. Books and files under a blanket.

SPEAKER_02 38:55

He was playing in this Jesus.

SPEAKER_06 38:58

Then he climbed into the crawl space above his cell, moved through the ceiling, and broke into the apartment of the chief jailer who was out for the evening.

SPEAKER_03 39:09

He changed to street clothes and walked to the front door and left.

SPEAKER_06 39:17

So he didn't like his disguise is literally just changing his clothes. He didn't try to put a hat on, no makeup, no fucking glasses. He just said, I'll see you guys after the holidays. He just left out the front door. He's like, and I will see you after the day. All of these people are fucking stupid. Yeah, because they're like, Oh, he's sleeping. Do you hear anything? Look, there's a body in the bed. Go check.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

How do you not notice the hole in the ceiling, bro?

SPEAKER_06 39:44

Exactly. You're just like.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

He's like a freaking ferret. Squeezes himself. I think I think that hole's been there for a minute.

SPEAKER_06 39:53

That hole's been there. Prisoner nowadays are like, man, these jails are so strict. You wonder why? Exactly. All those lazy assholes back in the day were left to chip. Stupid fuck. Yeah. It's the most easiest thing during checkup. Just go in there and lift the blanket. Like, oh fuck, he's gone.

SPEAKER_01 40:11

And they didn't even realize he was gone. For more than 17 hours. I don't think it's a big thing.

SPEAKER_06 40:25

This really is like an almost a catch me if you can situation.

SPEAKER_01 40:29

This is a really good game of cat and mouse.

SPEAKER_06 40:34

If they just made the dude from Catch Me If You Can and Murderer, it would have been the fucking Ted Bundy movie. It's literally what's going on. He just keeps hopping and disappearing and doing this. But he's not even like trying to wear a disguise or anything. Keeps telling people, hey, I'm Ted. Hey, I'm Ted. Hey, I'm Ted.

SPEAKER_01 40:50

I'm Ted Bundy. Hey, I'm Ted Bundy. How are you? I'm one in like six different states right now.

SPEAKER_06 40:57

The whole nation is looking for the stuff. I just broke out of jail, but. Idiot, idiot. That's the issue. It's like, I don't think it was him. I think it was them. They were all fucking stupid. This dude wasn't doing anything. He was just walking around. Hey sir. You have a good day, okay? I'll see you later. You look familiar. That's who you saw for?

unknown 41:15

That's probably.

SPEAKER_06 41:15

He's like, nah, I just have one of those faces. Oh yeah. I just have a face that everyone knows. You have a good time in Chicago.

SPEAKER_03 41:21

Oh yeah, like you said, he'd tell these poor victims that his real fucking name, like an idiot. Which I'm glad he did because he got the fucker caught. Stand out differently now.

SPEAKER_06 41:31

Well, one of the guys said he didn't recognize him because he grew a beard and his beard was like a five o'clock shadow. I'm like. It wasn't like a beard, it was like a little stubble. I'm like, come on, dude. It looked like he just took two days off shaving, and you're like, well, I couldn't recognize him because he he had a beard. Oh my gosh. But yeah, he was definitely not fucking smarter than as smart as he thought, but a lot of the people he was working with, that's probably why I thought he had an IQ, a high IQ. Well he tricked us. He put fucking books and files under his bed sheet. They're like he saw the s he saw the hole in the ceiling. I was wondering what that noise was. I wanna get a check at the doctor because I thought it just had a buzz in me. Kink, kink, kink, kink. That couldn't have been too small of a hole to fit him in it, because I mean, yeah, his head, but his shoulders and everything? What'd he like?

SPEAKER_01 42:24

Well, I mean he lost enough weight. He was already slightly skinny, so I can probably I'm just gonna be like me, I can like I can dislocate my arms out of socket. Let me do that and I can get up in those little holes areas.

SPEAKER_06 42:41

But for 17 hours they didn't know he was gone? So they didn't even try to feed him or check on him for 17 whole hours?

SPEAKER_01 42:46

Or like, oh, what happened, bro? By then, he had already stolen a car, caught rides, made it to Denver, boarded a flight to Chicago, and kept moving.

SPEAKER_03 43:01

And that's the part that stays with you. Not just that he escaped, but how much time he was given, how many chances, how many moments where the danger was still moving, and nobody knew exactly where he was.

SPEAKER_06 43:17

From Chicago, he kept going south eventually. Toward Florida under an alias. Trying later to claim that he meant to disappear quietly and stay out of trouble before falling back into theft and old habits.

SPEAKER_03 43:37

But by then, the story had already changed, because this wasn't a suspect waiting for trial anymore. This was a fugitive, a man who had already shown what he was capable of, now loose again, and this time, the next violence would be even worse. The first time he slipped through a window. The second And he walked out the front door. And by the time anyone understood what that meant, Florida was already next.

SPEAKER_06 44:10

By the time Ted Bundy reached Florida, he wasn't the same man investigators had begun tracking. He wasn't careful in the same way. He wasn't controlled.

SPEAKER_03 44:23

He was running. And that changes everything.

SPEAKER_06 44:28

January 1978. Bundy arrives in Tallahassee under an alias. No job. No real plan.

SPEAKER_03 44:39

Just movement. And the same pattern started to surface again.

SPEAKER_06 44:46

January 15th. Early morning hours. A sorority house on the campus of Florida State University.

SPEAKER_03 44:56

Woman asleep. No warning. No conversation. No help this time. He enters through a broken lock. Moves through the house room to room.

SPEAKER_01 45:08

Margaret Bowman, Lisa Levy, both killed. Others attacked but survived. And for the first time, he leaves something behind. Evidence.

SPEAKER_06 45:28

It was faster. More chaotic.

SPEAKER_03 45:32

More visible. More desperate.

SPEAKER_01 45:36

Just hours later, another attack. Cheryl Thomas survives but with permanent injuries.

SPEAKER_06 45:47

Weeks later. February 1978.

SPEAKER_01 45:52

Kimberly Leach, twelve years old.

SPEAKER_03 45:57

Taken from school in the middle of the day. A child who never made it home.

SPEAKER_06 46:09

This wasn't the same pattern investigators had been tracking. This was something else.

SPEAKER_03 46:16

Because now he wasn't hiding anymore. He was unraveling. And the violence was only getting worse.

SPEAKER_06 46:26

But it didn't last. Because by then the space around him was starting to close in.

SPEAKER_03 46:35

And it is awful for all these women, but she was twelve. Piece of shit. I mean all these it's awful for I don't know. All of them. It's awful.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

It's a good thing he's dead.

SPEAKER_03 46:47

Fuck her.

SPEAKER_01 46:49

He deserves to rat in hell for the rest of his existence.

SPEAKER_03 46:53

Oh yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 46:54

I hope he's I hope his skin is peeling off of his body. Millisecond by millisecond. Like millisecond. It has to be the slowest peel coming off of his skin. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:06

Yeah. Ass fucker. On February 12th, he left Tallahassee, driving west across the Florida panhandle.

SPEAKER_01 47:18

Three days later, around one in the morning, a police officer in Pensacola ran the plates of the car he was driving. And something came back.

SPEAKER_06 47:31

The vehicle was stolen. And when the officer told him he was under arrest, he ran.

SPEAKER_02 47:41

Idiot.

SPEAKER_01 47:42

Okay. It's just an idiot. Roski is trying everything in his damnedest to get away from these people. And it ain't working.

unknown 47:51

No.

SPEAKER_03 47:53

He kicked the officer to the ground and took off into the dark. Two warning shots were fired. And then he was tackled, subdued, and arrested.

SPEAKER_01 48:06

Inside the car there were stolen items. IDs, credit cards, belongings tied to college student and pieces of a disguise.

SPEAKER_06 48:18

The officers who arrested him didn't know who he had just caught. Didn't know he had just taken down one of the most wanted men in the country.

SPEAKER_03 48:28

But Bundy did. Because as he was being taken into custody, he said something. So what stands out to you the most about how this all escalated?

SPEAKER_01 48:42

The amount of dumbasses on the case. Yeah, like how can you escape so many times?

SPEAKER_06 48:47

Like. Gosh. Especially when you walked out the front door. Like what I I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 48:57

For one, he already escaped once from the courthouse.

SPEAKER_01 49:02

You think there would be extra security on the window? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 49:08

Because he has that. I mean, he's done it before. He's getting it.

SPEAKER_06 49:11

I mean, what was the longest he was actually on the run? It was what, six days or something? Six days in the middle. Six days. It just. I mean, I understand disguises and people could look different when they're disguised, but if it was only six days.

SPEAKER_03 49:25

Well, that was for the first time he escaped. It was six days. Um, so on the second one, he was on the run for over a month and a half or 47 days during his second escape. For the first escape, it was six days.

SPEAKER_06 49:38

47? That's a little more, but still, like. He's fucking dumbass. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:44

Just indicate why he did.

SPEAKER_06 49:46

There's so many fumbles going on in this situation.

SPEAKER_03 49:49

And I was reading his disguises. He would like, well, he grew his. It wasn't even a long ass. It wasn't even a long beard, anyways, but then he would like part his his hair different. You think he would dye his hair or something?

SPEAKER_06 50:04

This time, he was being more blunt in his well, he was always blunt, but like he was abducting people from schools. Little children.

SPEAKER_01 50:13

It could be like Mickey Rourke and get your face completely rechanged.

SPEAKER_06 50:16

Yeah, like he's stealing cars, running around in open daylight. Like you guys are acting like he's physically changing and altering things that you wouldn't be able to notice, and it's just insane. Like somebody had to recognize him and they're just like, oh I'll just not even worry about that.

SPEAKER_03 50:35

He tried to stay out of trouble too until his He tried. Yeah, idiot. He's an idiot.

SPEAKER_01 50:42

As soon as as soon as they knew who he was the first time. He should have been put in solitary confinement to the point of where he could have not left anywhere.

SPEAKER_03 50:54

Well, that what's fucked up is because they didn't watch him or give him enough security, he went on to kill those three other women and that 12-year-old.

SPEAKER_01 51:03

And I and I'm sorry to the to the people that were there that didn't pay attention. I hope that guilt is on you all the time. Yes, like you shouldn't pay attention. Like, I don't understand. That's three more people that were killed for no reason other than this dude got off on killing women.

SPEAKER_06 51:21

Yeah. That's the only thing. Like he didn't have no mental disabilities, he was not insane. He was high IQ'd, he was considered a smart person. He was just making terrible decisions.

SPEAKER_01 51:33

Again, you got the smarts, but the common sense out the door.

SPEAKER_06 51:37

Like the judge even said, in another world, he probably would have been a great prosecutor and he would have loved to work with him, but he chose a different path.

SPEAKER_01 51:44

He chose the shit ass path.

SPEAKER_06 51:46

Usually they do. I don't know what it is about those with higher IQs, but they usually turn into serial people.

SPEAKER_01 51:51

Yeah, because I mean Kemper had a high IQ.

SPEAKER_06 51:54

Still higher than him. Yeah, I mean he's was high, but Kemp's is up there.

SPEAKER_03 51:58

Yeah, Bomber's was high. 136. It's considered well above average and in the gifted range. Yeah. This high intelligence combined with charm and manipulation allowed him to evade detection and deceive others, though he was not of genius level.

SPEAKER_01 52:15

Yeah, I I don't get the whole he was such a good looking guy. I'm so sick and tired of that. Stop putting that, even stop including that in the documentaries. He was not a good looking guy.

SPEAKER_06 52:24

Yeah, because usually when somebody says someone's charming, it usually comes with you have to be at least a decent looking person. This dude is fucking his left eye's a little higher than his right eye, got a big ass weird nose, kinda skinny.

SPEAKER_02 52:39

I'm just saying he had a unibrow.

SPEAKER_06 52:41

Yeah, like what the fuck was he?

SPEAKER_02 52:42

I mean nothing wrong with the unibrows, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 52:44

He wa well he I guess because he he wasn't like I won't say creepy looking, you know? Like he still kept I guess that too.

SPEAKER_06 52:56

Like it wasn't like a creep, but he wasn't like fucking.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

He kept himself together. I was gonna say he's no like fucking for me like Robert Downey Jr. or anything.

SPEAKER_06 53:06

That yeah, but yeah, he's I'll never understand that. They're like, this guy's handsome, and I look at these pictures, I'm like, I'm just like, where's the handsomeness coming from?

SPEAKER_01 53:15

My mom thought he was handsome. Yeah, well, your mom's thought some people were handsome that are not handsome. I know. I'm like, ew, mom, what the fuck? But again, though, in those times, you know, people you didn't you weren't influenced by social media, right? You know, you weren't seeing all these these young kids and stuff getting all ripped and he was finally caught, but the story wasn't over because what came next wasn't about running, it was about control until the very end. In part four, we step inside the courtroom where Ted Bundy stops running and starts performing, where someone still chooses to believe him enough to marry him. And where in his final days he finally starts to talk. But even then, the truth isn't what it seems.

SPEAKER_03 54:20

Yeah, and originally this was going to be three parts, but I f there's just so much detail, so that's why. Yeah, I know last time we said this was gonna be the last one, but yeah. We're making it a four parters, bitches. Four parts, four parts, because the part three, when I had it all combined, it was just way too I'm like, okay, we need a break from this fucking yeah, anyways, four parts.

SPEAKER_06 54:44

And that concludes part three of our Ted Bundy series. If you've been listening with us, thank you. It truly means more than you know. Make sure you're following us on Spotify and Apple Podcast, so you don't miss what's coming next.

SPEAKER_03 54:59

And if you're enjoying Veil of Echoes, please leave us a review. It helps reach more people, and you helps continue telling these stories.

SPEAKER_01 55:08

Starting next month, we're launching our monthly giveaways, and one of the ways to enter is by leaving a review on Apple or Spotify, taking a screenshot, and sending it to us. Simple as that.

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We're also working on something new for this summer. A series built around your stories. The ones you can't explain. And we want to hear them. Send them to us at Veil of Echoes Podcast at gmail.com.

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And we need your help with something else. We're choosing a name for our listeners. So if you guys have any ideas, please send that to us too. We might just use it.

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And this Friday, we're leaving the United States. Traveling to a place in India we're entering after dark is forbidden by law. Not recommended. Not discouraged. Forbidden.

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The legend of the Bangar Fort is one of the most unsettling in the world. And we'll step inside of it this Friday.

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Until next time, keep your ears open.

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And the veil closed.