Ep. 60 - Ted Bundy (Part 4): The Final Confession | Inside the Mind Before the Execution

Part Four — The Final Chapter

In the final days before his execution, Ted Bundy began to speak.

After years of denial, manipulation, and control—he sat down with investigators, journalists, and profilers in a series of chilling final interviews. But even then, the truth didn’t come easily.

In this episode, we step inside Bundy’s last hours:

•  his courtroom performance during the Chi Omega trial 
•  the relationship with Elizabeth Kloepfer—and the moment everything changed 
•  his final confessions and psychological unraveling 
•  the disturbing details he admitted… and the ones he withheld 
•  and the morning of January 24, 1989—when it all came to an end 

Through real audio recordings, firsthand accounts, and immersive storytelling, we examine not just what Bundy said—but how he said it… and why it still matters.

Because even at the very end—

he was still trying.

🎧 This is the final part of our Ted Bundy series.

📚 🎙️ SHOW NOTES / SOURCES

Primary Sources:

• Ted Bundy Final Interview Transcript (Dr. James Dobson, 1989) 
•  Courtroom Footage & Trial Transcripts (Florida v. Theodore Bundy, 1979–1980) 
•  Judge Edward Cowart Sentencing Statement 

Secondary Sources & Research:

• The Stranger Beside Me — Ann Rule
• The Only Living Witness — Stephen Michaud & Hugh Aynesworth
•  FBI Behavioral Analysis Unit resources on serial offender psychology 
•  Archived news coverage from ABC News, CBS News, and NBC News

🎧 AUDIO CLIP CREDITS

Audio used in this episode includes excerpts from:

•  Final Interview of Ted Bundy with James Dobson (1989) 
•  Courtroom recordings from the Chi Omega Trial (Florida State Archives / public domain recordings) 
•  Sentencing remarks by Judge Edward Cowart
•  Archival news audio reporting Bundy’s execution (1989) 
•  Interview excerpts featuring Elizabeth Kloepfer via ABC News

📌 All audio clips are used under fair use for commentary, criticism, and educational purposes.

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Transcript

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Inside, the lights never turned off. They don't dim. They don't soften. They just stay on.

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And down a hallway, past doors, no one lingers near. There's a room already prepared.

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A chair set in place. Bolted to the floor. Still, waiting for someone to be brought to it.

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By their straps laid across the arms. Not moving. Not needed. Yet.

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And somewhere in that light, there's a man who hasn't closed his eyes. Because if he does, he loses what little time is left.

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Every sound matters now. Footsteps in the distance, keys turning and a lock. A door opening somewhere he can't see.

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Time doesn't feel normal anymore. It stretches. Then disappears. Minutes aren't passing. They're being taken.

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And for the first time, there's nothing he can say to stop what's coming. No story, no explanation, no version of himself that changes this.

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But even now, he's still trying.

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I don't want to die. I'm not gonna kid you. Kid you not.

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Still speaking like someone might believe him.

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Outside, the world is waking up. People gathering, waiting to hear when it's over. But inside, nothing is ending.

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Just a moment that's already been decided.

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And a chair that's no longer empty.

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This is episode 60.

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The Ted Bundy case.

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Part four. This is Veil of Echoes, where true crime and the unexplained collide.

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Every week we step into stories that leave something behind. Questions, patterns, echoes.

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And in this series, we follow one of the most well-known cases from multiple angles, looking not just at what happened, but how it happened.

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We're your hosts, I'm Lindsay.

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I'm Zach.

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Thank you.

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Heck yeah! So, we're just excited, and I'm excited to see where we go from here. But couldn't do it without you guys. Heck no, we couldn't. This is part four, the final chapter in our Ted Bundy series. And before everything came to an end, there were people who saw him very differently. Long before the headlines, before the trial, and before Florida, there was someone who knew him differently. Elizabeth Klopfer. She wasn't part of the investigation. Not at first. She wasn't looking for a suspect. She was in a relationship with someone she trusted, someone she loved. And when the sketches started to circulate, when the descriptions came out, she noticed something. The name Ted. The car of Volkswagen. The details that were just close enough to not ignore.

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After his arrest, investigators didn't just stop there. They went to Washington to speak with someone who knew him better than almost anyone.

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Elizabeth. And that's when everything started to come into focus.

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She told them about things that didn't make sense, the items she had found, the behaviors she couldn't explain, and moments that had stayed with her.

SPEAKER_00 5:38

In the very beginning, I asked him, I said, Did you read this? Do you know what they're saying? There's so many things here that people are gonna be looking at you and kind of make a joke out of it. But once I started to worry, like, could this be true? I didn't feel safe bringing it up. I didn't want him to know what I was thinking about.

SPEAKER_07 5:58

And you can hear it. How she's trying to make sense of it, trying to connect the person she knew to the person they were describing. And then there were things that didn't make sense. Things she couldn't explain, but couldn't ignore either. She would wake up sometimes in the middle of the night and find him awake, watching her. Kinda reminds me of what he would do to his aunt. Was it his aunt? Yep. Fucking weirdo. Three years old washing her knives around. I was bad I say it was a knives around here.

unknown 6:37

Fucking psychopath.

SPEAKER_06 6:39

I'm sorry if I woke up to you just staring at me. That'd be if I wake up to anybody just staring at me, y'all are gonna get a fist to the face. Judson and Lane does sometimes.

SPEAKER_07 6:49

He wakes up, I wake up and they're just staring right at me. I'm like, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_05 6:55

Can I help you?

SPEAKER_07 6:56

Hi, mama. What would you do if Kayla was just staring at you?

SPEAKER_06 7:00

Oh, I straight up deck him in the face.

SPEAKER_07 7:02

The fuck? Could you imagine though? How creepy.

SPEAKER_06 7:05

Like don't don't do that to me when I'm asleep because I I will throw fists when I'm asleep. Hello? Good God. God, is that you?

SPEAKER_07 7:18

Not saying anything, just looking.

SPEAKER_05 7:23

She also noticed how specific he was about her appearance. Her hair. Long. Dark. Parted down the middle.

SPEAKER_07 7:35

We would be screwed, Lindsay. Sorry.

SPEAKER_06 7:40

Yeah, and he always went for brunettes anyway. That's what you mean. Motherfucker. He didn't like the idea of it changing. She said he would get upset even at the thought of her cutting it.

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And when you look at his victims, you start to notice something. A pattern. A resemblance. Like he wasn't choosing at random. Like he was looking for something familiar.

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And even after everything, he tried to reach her again. A letter from prison. But she never read it. Because her daughter found it first.

SPEAKER_05 8:21

And burned it. Without telling her. Not until years later.

SPEAKER_07 8:27

Yeah, I I was uh when I was watching that documentary, um, yeah, I guess it came in the mail and her daughter found it because I think Elizabeth always wondered why he never came back messaged her in prison because he was, you know, but he did. She just never gave him a chance to tell him to you, mama after the fact. I think after he was dead.

SPEAKER_05 8:49

Like, I wonder why he never wrote me. Oh, uh he didn't did it because I think yeah, mommy.

SPEAKER_06 8:57

That my dad was doing that shit and wrote my mom from prison? Nope. No.

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I mean, she was just trying to protect her in the sense, you know. Which I mean, I get why Elizabeth was like I I don't know if she was I mean, if she looked, you know.

SPEAKER_05 9:10

Still around still?

SPEAKER_07 9:11

Yeah, they're still alive. Yeah, she's still alive.

SPEAKER_05 9:13

It's just I mean, you gotta feel some kind of way if everyone who's being murdered looks just like you.

SPEAKER_07 9:19

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:20

Or just like the way he prefers you.

SPEAKER_07 9:22

Yeah.

unknown 9:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 9:23

I feel so bad for she's blonde now, by the way.

SPEAKER_05 9:26

I bet. I bet she is. I bet she's like, no.

SPEAKER_07 9:31

I don't blame her. I don't either. I mean, I would probably she poor thing, you know, she probably has she probably thinks about it every day, you know. Yeah, because you know, how couldn't you?

SPEAKER_05 9:41

Yep. Cause like what they get in a fight, and the next thing you know, he's running off to go murder somebody that looks like her.

SPEAKER_07 9:47

I I mean, I don't know. It's it is it is a weird coincidence.

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Yeah, very weird.

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Yeah. He just liked the brunettes.

unknown 9:54

Oh.

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And maybe that was the only way forward. Because some words don't deserve to be heard. Not from him.

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By 1979, Ted Bundy was no longer just a suspect. He was on trial in Florida, and for the first time, the country was watching.

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The trial was televised, broadcast into homes, like something people couldn't look away from, and he knew it.

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The first trial focused on the attacks inside the Che Omega sorority house, the murders of Lisa Levy and Margaret Bowman, and the assaults on the women who survived. I I I Bundy chose to represent himself not because he had to, but because it gave him access control It allowed him to question witnesses, move freely in the courtroom, he cross-examined, objected, spoke clearly, confidently. Not like someone on trial for murder, but like someone trying to convince the room he didn't belong there.

SPEAKER_03 11:19

I'm not asking for mercy. For I find it somewhat absurd to ask for mercy for something I did not do.

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That voice was part of it. Calm, measured. The same voice that people had trusted before.

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At times, Bundy delayed proceedings, arriving late, stalling the process. Because even in time was something he tried to control.

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A plea deal was offered, one that could have spared him the death penalty, but it required him to admit what he had done. And he refused. Because control mattered more than the outcome.

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The jury deliberated and returned with a verdict. Guilty on all counts.

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And then the judge spoke.

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Take care of yourself, young man. Thank you. I I say that to you sincerely. Take care of yourself. It's a tragedy for this court to see you as such a total waste, I think, of humanity that I've experienced in this court. You're a bright young man. You made a good lawyer. I'd love to had you practice in front of me, but you went another way, partner.

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Even now, that moment is hard to listen to. Because there's something in it that doesn't feel like a courtroom. It feels personal. A recognition of who he could have been and what he chose to become.

SPEAKER_07 13:07

Oh, yeah, because the judge was telling him.

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In a different life, he could have been somebody out of the line.

SPEAKER_07 13:13

Yeah, like, and then but no, you chose to be a fucking asshole. Piece of shit. Ian, what do you expect? Paulzy's telling her two cents too how she feels about Ted Bundy.

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She said, fuck Ted.

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Fuck that bitch. But that wasn't the end. After the Chi Omega trial, he faced another. This time for the murder of twelve-year-old Kimberly Leach.

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And before the courtroom, there was what happened to her. Lake City, Florida.

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I love you. You're getting very vocal.

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Oh. You're funny. Tell us all about it. She's just sucking on her fingers, it's fine. Okay. Lake City, Florida. A junior high school, a normal day.

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She was called out of class, but sent to retrieve something at a routine moment that never finished.

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She never made it back. An eyewitness later reported seeing a man leading her away toward a vehicle, a van. Weeks later, after an extensive search, she was found. I think she went to go retrieve a purse too or something.

unknown 15:03

Sad.

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Not far from where she was taken, a child taken in the middle of the day.

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And that was the case brought into the courtroom.

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And it was during that trial that someone else stepped forward. Carol Boone. She had known him for years. Back in Washington. They worked together at a crisis hotline.

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Isn't that fucked up? I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_05 15:36

People called this guy and be like, um.

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Yeah. How messed up is that?

SPEAKER_05 15:41

He's pretty fucked up.

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You know. Like you were working at a crisis hotline to help prevent people from taking their life, but then you were.

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At the same time, he was probably killing people.

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Yeah. It's messed up. I d don't it's not, I don't think.

SPEAKER_05 15:56

It's the duality of uh Ted Bundy.

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Yeah.

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He wanted to seem like he was helping, but I think it was also to throw him off his trail.

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It's fucked up. Unfortunately, very the kind of place where people call for help. And that's where she met him. Someone who seemed kind, normal, safe, and at the same time, there had been Elizabeth. Two people seeing completely different versions of the same man.

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During the trial, Bundy called Carol Boone to the stand. And in that moment, he proposed. In the courtroom, and under Florida law, that decoration made in front of the judge made it legal. Just like that. They were married.

SPEAKER_07 16:59

Have you seen the have you seen it?

SPEAKER_05 17:02

I do want to marry her. Yeah. He doesn't say it just I mean it's creepy r regardless how he says it, but it is very creepy.

SPEAKER_07 17:11

Oh, it's a good one. And how excited she was.

SPEAKER_05 17:14

I mean he does like kind of tilt his head and look at her. He's like, I do want to marry you. And like, the fuck.

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But it was just a cop out creepy. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 17:23

I guess because they worked at that crisis hotline together, she thought he was just so innocent. Jeez. He was not the smartest. Well, no, like you're you're literally there because he's being convicted. Like he is found guilty. Like, this is why he's on trial. It's not just like he's, oh, you're being suspected of no, like, you're here because we know you did this.

SPEAKER_07 17:42

Right. Yeah. I don't know. He was a character, I will say that.

SPEAKER_05 17:46

Yeah, he was a character. He was just stalling it the whole time because he knew it was coming.

SPEAKER_07 17:51

Yeah. But then he becomes a little bitch when it's a day b days leading up to his execution.

SPEAKER_05 17:57

Well, his whole argument made no sense. It was pretty much just a fucking misdirection to try to get him to talk about something else.

SPEAKER_07 18:03

Oh yeah. He was trying to stall and get more time is what he was doing.

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And it didn't work.

SPEAKER_07 18:08

No. And later, she would have his child. While he was on death row. Even then, he was still building something. Yeah, I think she went in there multiple times, obviously, but I th I I read that the guard just let them do their thing.

SPEAKER_06 18:31

The fuck is up with these guards? Oh, give me money. Piece of shit. Yeah, um, I'm just curious, hold on.

SPEAKER_05 18:39

Well, they had to have, because like, how else would she get her pregnant while he was behind bars? Like, they just turned a blind eye. They're like, alright. Go do what you gotta do. I'll be right here.

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Go do what you do.

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Go do what you need to do.

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Go, go, go get that thing. It says, um prison guards at Florida State Prison reportedly turned a blind eye and allowed Ted Bundy and Carol Boone to engage in sexual intimacy during his time on Death Row, despite conjugal visits not being permitted. Yeah, I bet not.

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In prison.

SPEAKER_07 19:13

Yeah. Ugh. The couple was reportedly caught in the act by guards a few times, but they were not punished and no action was taken to stop them.

SPEAKER_05 19:24

I mean, if it was permitted, you'd think there'd be fucking stories of dropping the soap. No.

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They managed to have intercourse behind a water cooler and a restroom or in any other secluded area of the prison. Not the water cooler.

SPEAKER_05 19:41

I ain't thirsty no more. Okay, Tedhead Carol. Uh I'm more busy. Could you I'm dope.

SPEAKER_07 19:51

I would be that what are you doing?

SPEAKER_05 19:53

Where'd she go? She roll away? Holy shit. Girlfriend, where are you going?

SPEAKER_07 20:03

Yeah, she is starting to uh very she's getting quick. Turn down. She's just doing tummy time. It's funny.

SPEAKER_06 20:12

Is that cold?

SPEAKER_07 20:14

Yeah. What are you doing down here, silly girl? Hi. Oh. She's like, I'm gonna do this again. Watch me.

SPEAKER_08 20:22

Here you go.

SPEAKER_07 20:25

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 20:26

Blueberry rollout.

SPEAKER_08 20:27

That's okay.

SPEAKER_05 20:30

Yeah, this was just a wild trip. This had to be a wild time. Like being part of that trial back then would have been like, what the fuck is how the fuck is she pregnant? Yeah. How are you guys allowing them to get married? Just because he said he wanted to marry her and she said she wanted to marry him. Like, alright, well your husband and wife know. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_07 20:48

Yeah, and uh they named her Rose.

SPEAKER_05 20:51

It's not her fault, but what the fuck.

SPEAKER_07 20:54

Sorry, Rounds. Well, I think after all this happened too, both her and Carol disappeared. Yeah, they went under new el uh names. Of course they did. So, like, and then I did hear I did read she's uh Carol died now.

SPEAKER_05 21:10

Could you imagine? Who was my dad? Well?

SPEAKER_07 21:13

Yeah, that p and I I feel bad. She can't. Just like the daughter of um She probably got long brown hair. BTK killer and stuff. They can't help it.

SPEAKER_05 21:22

Oh man, that's kinda Gacy. Didn't Gacy have two children and a wife?

SPEAKER_07 21:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 21:31

And just how And what all of his victims were what? Teenage boys, it's like. But he was kind of always a weirdo too before he had kids, so.

SPEAKER_08 21:42

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 21:43

But it seems like Ted had a wife and a woman who was like taking out what he wanted to do to her out on these other women.

SPEAKER_07 21:49

Yes. I mean she had brown hair, but it was short and curly, but I bet well, she's like, I ain't keeping this shit long like that. So she died on January 13th, 2018, in a retirement home in Seattle, Washington. She was seventy years old.

SPEAKER_05 22:02

Bundy's daughter? No. Oh, Carol.

SPEAKER_07 22:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:05

That's just that judge has been like, what the fuck is going on here? Like, uh, excuse me, we're on murder trial, but I love her. Good for you.

SPEAKER_07 22:17

Carol Amboon was devastated and felt deeply betrayed when Ted Bundy confessed to his murders just days before his execution. After maintaining his innocence for years, she broke off contact, divorced him in 1986, and refused his final phone call. So she wasn't that dumb after all.

SPEAKER_05 22:37

So yeah, I guess she finally was like, no, he fucked. Well, lady, what did you Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 22:44

It took him confessing to her for her to believe. Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 22:48

I she should have known that though. You know, I don't know. I guess when you're under the when you're under that left spale.

SPEAKER_05 22:58

Getting the old Ted diggin'.

SPEAKER_07 23:00

Oh my god. Oh god, no. Yeah. I mean, I guess I can't, because poor Elizabeth, I did feel bad for her. Like, but she was suspecting something. It's not me. She was, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 23:12

She already she knew something was going on, and that's when she was like, I'm done.

SPEAKER_07 23:16

And she called in on him three times. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:19

Yeah, I mean, she had to feel definitely because of it. I feel so bad. Both of them look like her.

unknown 23:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:24

She was like, uh, what the fuck? And after that trial, he was sentenced to death again. The system had finally caught up to him. But even then, he wasn't finished speaking.

SPEAKER_07 23:43

So, how everything ended up being laid out and how he got there, and how he could still pull someone in. What do you think it was? His personality or the version of him that people wanted to believe?

SPEAKER_06 23:57

His personality. Oh yeah. He had one of those that he could talk his way out of obviously anything. Well, that and he had a higher IQ.

SPEAKER_07 24:06

Yep. I mean, he had that charm, I guess, is what obviously he was able to get his weight all the time. And that's what he was used to getting.

SPEAKER_06 24:21

Yeah, he he definitely knew how to talk his way through some shit.

SPEAKER_07 24:25

Oh yeah, he was a he was a little brat. Too. If it didn't work, he did not like that outcome.

SPEAKER_05 24:31

Yeah, he always found some way.

SPEAKER_07 24:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 24:34

I mean, it still ended up not going his way, but he tried so hard.

SPEAKER_07 24:41

Yeah, he really did. Tried so hard. He tried so hard.

unknown 24:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 24:50

And in the end, that's exactly what he did. He spoke. After the trials, and as the appeal stretched on, Ted Bundy began doing something he had avoided for years.

SPEAKER_05 25:04

He started talking about it. Sitting down with investigators, with journalists, with FBI profilers, trying to understand him before it was too late.

SPEAKER_04 25:28

Especially at first. And everything that fell in the crack just disappeared.

SPEAKER_06 25:45

But even then, he didn't speak like someone confessing. He spoke like someone observing from a distance.

SPEAKER_05 26:06

Creating distance between who he was and what he had done.

SPEAKER_07 26:13

I'm sorry, but I got multiple personality disorder. Something. Like what how does that make you think you're not gonna you're gonna Oh well the killer did that?

SPEAKER_06 26:27

Well, new dumbass bitch, you did it.

SPEAKER_05 26:30

He just thought there was something he was gonna be able to use. Well, hello again.

SPEAKER_07 26:34

Yeah, it's just like just you're c obviously confessing what you're doing, but you're still using a third person uh Narrative, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:45

Yeah. It's like, well, the killer.

SPEAKER_07 26:47

What the killer?

SPEAKER_05 26:48

Pretty much so you Well me.

SPEAKER_07 26:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 26:51

Being yeah.

SPEAKER_06 26:52

I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 26:53

The killer used this weapon.

SPEAKER_06 26:56

You mean Ted? As in yourself? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 27:00

Like, what's the point of confessing if you're still trying to do that?

SPEAKER_07 27:03

Well, that's what don't make sense to me. You use your real name to these poor victims like a dumbass. But then you're not gonna use your real name.

SPEAKER_05 27:11

The same card, same name.

SPEAKER_06 27:13

Don't make s it makes my head. Obviously that high IQ didn't do shit for him. No, no, not at all.

SPEAKER_05 27:18

It's like, didn't he have two buggies? Isn't that another fucking Yeah?

SPEAKER_07 27:26

Because even here, at the very end, he was still trying to control the narrative. But in those final conversations, he did begin to admit to things. Not everything, but enough. And even then, what he gave was incomplete.

SPEAKER_05 27:49

At one point, he admitted to additional victims buried in Colorado, cases that investigators had long suspected but never fully confirmed.

SPEAKER_06 28:04

But he didn't elaborate, he didn't give locations, and he didn't give details.

SPEAKER_07 28:11

Just enough to make it real. And then he stopped. Because even then, he was still deciding what people were allowed to know.

SPEAKER_06 28:22

He also talked about possession, the need to take something, to have it completely.

SPEAKER_05 28:30

He described it as more than violence, more than control. It was ownership. But the ultimate possession was taking a life.

SPEAKER_06 28:45

And over time, it changed. What started as something he described as necessary became part of it. Part of the experience.

SPEAKER_07 28:58

He admitted that he would go back to the places he left them again and again. And when he talked about returning, it wasn't brief, it wasn't accidental. He described going back. Sometimes for hours, sometimes through the night.

SPEAKER_05 29:18

He told investigators that he would remain until decomposition made it impossible to stay any longer.

SPEAKER_07 29:30

I'm sorry, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 29:32

I think I threw up a little bit.

SPEAKER_06 29:34

What is why? What the fuck is I'm oh my god. Again, I just keep thinking of Tig from Sons of Anarchy. Oh just.

SPEAKER_05 29:40

He ain't never had a cold pocket for.

SPEAKER_06 29:42

Oh my god. I hate people.

SPEAKER_05 29:44

Because I use a microwave.

SPEAKER_06 29:46

Oh my gosh. It just it brings that scene up every single time. There he is. Pretty disturbing. In the morgue, getting a body out, and he's like, no, no. You have a cold pick? Oh my god. And Clay's like, nah, not my thing, man.

SPEAKER_05 30:01

Nah, not my thing.

SPEAKER_06 30:02

He's just like, I know it's weird, but the still it's like, okay, no no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. I would no. Stupid bitch doesn't deserve to be alive. What the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 30:14

Yeah, that's not. Why do you think that one guy shot that dude who fucking molested his son?

SPEAKER_07 30:18

Oh, I don't blame him. I don't blame him.

SPEAKER_05 30:20

No.

SPEAKER_07 30:21

I'm sorry, but he deserved more than getting volts shot through his fucking body.

SPEAKER_06 30:26

He deserved to be freaking tortured.

SPEAKER_05 30:30

That's why I firmly death.

SPEAKER_06 30:32

Firmly believe that they need to bring back medieval torture tools.

SPEAKER_07 30:35

Yes. He would be an exception for it.

SPEAKER_06 30:37

Or do what the Vikings did and do the the what was it? Uh full the spread eagle or whatever where they would blood eagle where they would cut you in your back and rip your ribs.

SPEAKER_07 30:48

What's the one too where they would uh tie ties to each of your limbs and slowly pull being corded by a horse?

SPEAKER_06 30:55

That there was that, or there was the one where they would put you on the table with the rope and then crank the rope.

SPEAKER_05 31:00

See, that one's slower, so that'd be that'd be a little more torturous. The devices.

SPEAKER_06 31:06

I'm sorry, that was the one that they would make the women sit on that was like a triangle. Oh they would make women sit on it and they would tear it in half.

SPEAKER_05 31:19

The Iron Maiden.

SPEAKER_06 31:21

Was that the bull?

unknown 31:22

No.

SPEAKER_06 31:23

No, the Iron Maiden is that bowl. The Iron Maiden is that uh it looks like a casket type thing.

SPEAKER_05 31:29

Has spikes in it. It has the spikes in it.

SPEAKER_07 31:32

Every time you see Matilda, remember that torture device she put the kids in?

SPEAKER_05 31:36

She went cross-eyed looking at your fingers.

SPEAKER_07 31:39

She said, Wasn't that what she did to the poor kid? I think so, yeah. Because she had like a little thing that she would punish him in and had spikes in the bucket.

SPEAKER_05 31:50

That's still a sick ass band name, too, Iron Maiden. Yeah, but bring back torture devices.

SPEAKER_06 31:56

Yeah, that's what the Iron Maiden was, was the coffin that had the spikes on the inside of it.

SPEAKER_05 32:00

See the blood eagle, too. If they did it just right, you could be alive for a little bit. Yeah, because they while you get your organs plucked out.

SPEAKER_06 32:07

Yeah, that's yeah, the birds would come and feed on you.

SPEAKER_05 32:10

Yeah, they did. They stripped your back and then broke your ribs forward to expose your organs.

SPEAKER_07 32:16

Why can't they do that to people like Ted Mundi? Why did he get the I'm sorry, but he got the easy way out, I think.

SPEAKER_06 32:21

They unfortunately America's death system that they have. They need to do it right there, not fucking give them time. It almost gives it gives them mercy. Because it's it's a it's a a slow kill. It's not even that slow of a killing. It's either you get the electric shock or you got the lethal injection and then you're dead. Or look at David Power.

SPEAKER_07 32:43

He died of a fucking heart attack on death row. He no one got justice from that fucking.

SPEAKER_06 32:48

Nope.

SPEAKER_07 32:49

He got the easy way out.

SPEAKER_06 32:50

A heart attack. I I mean our our when we sentenced somebody to death, I'm sorry, but we have one of these the next day. Yes, don't give them 30 fucking years to still enjoy their breakfast. Exactly. You know, they're they had all that time. I'm sorry. Like giving somebody a life sentence, I don't believe in.

SPEAKER_07 33:10

I'm sorry, but if you're gonna give them a life sentence, just for the victims you killed, you didn't give them a chance to live for another 30 years. You just did it. So yeah, you can't.

SPEAKER_06 33:18

And then the tax us, us taxpayers, are paying for fucking three meals a day that you get in there.

SPEAKER_05 33:24

I think they should do an eye for an eye sort of situation too. Like, fucking, you want to be strangled to death, motherfucker?

SPEAKER_07 33:30

Yeah, do it this time. I don't get the justice system. I don't think it's just a good thing.

SPEAKER_06 33:33

I think I think it was Ohio that just brought back the uh execution squad. The firing squad.

SPEAKER_05 33:39

That's so fucking hangings back.

SPEAKER_06 33:42

Those are the torches. They need to bring cutting them first with with the rubbers. Yes, and then their last one. I feel so demented laughing at this. I'm okay with it.

SPEAKER_05 34:04

Think about that motherfucker laughing as he is running those people over.

SPEAKER_07 34:06

Oh my god. Oh, fucking Wade.

SPEAKER_06 34:08

Or John or John Wayne Gacy's last last.

SPEAKER_07 34:12

I hate him.

SPEAKER_06 34:12

I fucking hate Wayne Wilson. Just like John Wayne Gacy's last words. Kiss my ass. He should have never been able to have even said that.

SPEAKER_05 34:19

No, I've only got to change the wheels.

SPEAKER_06 34:20

They should have been like, what'd you say? And then put a ball gag in his mouth while he was on that table. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_05 34:26

It's just unfortunate because now we need a new Deadpool.

SPEAKER_07 34:30

Yeah, the name.

SPEAKER_05 34:32

Damn.

SPEAKER_07 34:33

Well, technically, when did when did Deadpool come out?

SPEAKER_05 34:35

91.

SPEAKER_07 34:36

91, and he was born in 93, I think. I thought he was a little younger than he was born in 94, I think. 94, something like that.

SPEAKER_05 34:44

If so, then then fuck it.

SPEAKER_07 34:46

Change his uh ugly bastard's name.

SPEAKER_05 34:48

No, we don't he's gonna be put to death, so then we'll be alright.

SPEAKER_07 34:50

No, he's probably gonna rot in there and have a heart attack. Fucking David Parker. Oh no, no, no, no, no, no. Still pissing me off. No, no, no, no. And he was never charged, right, with any of their murders. They never had evident enough evidence. Yeah, I don't think. It was just because of that girl, the one poor girl that got away. Yep. Makes me sick. Anyways, I hate it. I hate all of it.

SPEAKER_05 35:15

It's all for money, too. That's the worst part, is like, how long can we keep this going?

unknown 35:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 35:23

And even then, he described doing things that went beyond the initial crime.

SPEAKER_07 35:30

He talked about trying to preserve something. Washing their hair, adjusting their appearance, even applying makeup. As if he was trying to hold onto a version of them that he controlled. Kinda reminds me of uh what's that doctor's name who fell in love with um and he like took her body and like kept it in his house and preserved it and fucking weirdo.

SPEAKER_05 35:59

It sounds familiar, but yeah, because this right here, I mean, pfft, come on, dude.

SPEAKER_07 36:04

Uh yes. Carl Tanzler. Oh, he was a German-born radiology technologist in Key West, Florida, who became obsessed with Elena di Hoyos, a patient who died of tuberculosis in 1931. In 1933, he removed her body from its mausoleum and lived with her corpse for seven years, preserving it with wires, wax, rags, and sleeping with it until his discovery in 1940.

SPEAKER_05 36:30

That's discovered.

SPEAKER_07 36:33

He believed that Elena was the woman destined for him, whom he had seen in childhood visions.

SPEAKER_08 36:41

Fucking sick.

SPEAKER_07 36:42

Yes, it was fucking sick. Can you say schizophrenia? He Yeah, this is him. And that was her. That was the body that was. I do remember this! Yes, I do. Now that I see him. Bailey Sarian um orbit did an episode over him.

SPEAKER_05 37:00

But I remember watching it.

SPEAKER_07 37:01

It was on one of the investigation discovery shows.

SPEAKER_05 37:04

I don't remember, but I saw it dude's name. Oh my god. He looks like one of the German guys from Hellboy.

SPEAKER_06 37:10

Yeah, but that's what the poor thing. What's his face? Oh my god. Rasmutin! He looks like Rasmutin.

SPEAKER_05 37:17

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_06 37:18

Hellboy, yeah. Yeah, but ew.

SPEAKER_07 37:22

Ew.

SPEAKER_05 37:23

And that's the fucked up part, is because he met her after she was already dead. Well, he And he became obsessed with her. You shouldn't become obsessed with underage girls.

SPEAKER_07 37:37

Unfortunately, that's what the all all these fucked up old guys in this fucking world.

SPEAKER_05 37:42

Well, yeah, because I mean, if they're not doing the fucking list, they're like, oh, she's she's out of age, but she's still forty years younger.

SPEAKER_07 37:52

I hate it here. I hate it here. It's not just you. Oh, I know. It's everywhere. That's why I mean I hated here. Oh. He worked at a key west hospital, met her while she was being treated for tuberculosis, and grew infatuated, treating her with experimental medicine and showering her with gifts.

SPEAKER_05 38:12

So she was alive.

SPEAKER_07 38:13

Yeah, he met her while she was alive.

SPEAKER_05 38:15

I thought she was already bad.

SPEAKER_07 38:17

He just decided he was obsessed with her.

SPEAKER_05 38:19

Rewind with Taking and Bag.

SPEAKER_07 38:23

People are fucked. See, this was in the 30s. It just shows Albert Fisher.

SPEAKER_05 38:27

How old was he?

SPEAKER_07 38:28

Uh he was like 60? Oh, she was she was oh, he met her at twenty-two. She was twenty-two, but still he was like how old was he?

SPEAKER_05 38:41

He was still old as fuck looking.

SPEAKER_07 38:44

Um he was 36.

SPEAKER_05 38:46

What the fuck?

SPEAKER_07 38:47

No. He was when he died he was 75.

SPEAKER_05 38:51

Gross, so not too long. Nah. That was probably what? Not too long after they just discovered his grossness.

SPEAKER_07 38:58

He was.

SPEAKER_05 39:00

Halsey don't like him.

SPEAKER_07 39:02

No. He was 53.

SPEAKER_05 39:04

Jeez.

SPEAKER_07 39:05

At the time, and she was 20, 21, 22 years old. But anyways, yeah, that was. Ugh. What is wrong with people? Oh my god. Disturbed. It's more than that. There's what has to be a word that's worse than I don't even know how to describe these fuckers.

SPEAKER_06 39:22

Fucked up piece of shit that deserves to be dead. Oh, I hope they're having a time in hell.

SPEAKER_05 39:28

Yeah, deepest parts of wherever it is. Oh yeah, here we go. In some cases, he went even further. He admitted to keeping parts of his victims, including severed heads stored in his apartment for days before disposing of them.

SPEAKER_07 39:52

Not to avoid being caught. Not out of necessity. But because to him they still belong to him.

SPEAKER_06 40:01

One FBI agent later said that for him it became something else entirely. Not just violence. Not just control. But something he felt connected to.

SPEAKER_05 40:15

But even then, he didn't fully accept responsibility. He blamed outside influences. Media. Pornography. Anything but himself.

SPEAKER_07 40:30

Of course. Just like that stupid motherfucker. Have you heard of the Tanner?

SPEAKER_05 40:36

Is that the FedEx guy?

SPEAKER_06 40:37

Yes. Oh yeah, I've been watching that. That stupid piece of shit. Even his mom took the stand was like, I didn't raise my son like this, but I want to tear his ass apart. Right. But what the fuck? He's blaming um his.

SPEAKER_05 40:52

You can try to blame whatever you want. There's no excuse. You need to be shot in your fucking face.

SPEAKER_07 40:56

Oh, he's a piece of shit. I fucking hate that guy. But yeah, he's he's he's not blaming his uh wasn't he like a blaming his like disorder or something? They always do. Exactly. They almost do. Well, how does that make sense? Because you're you're with it enough to get a job as a FedEx driver.

SPEAKER_05 41:14

You're driving yeah, you're driving around a federal vehicle daily.

SPEAKER_07 41:18

Right. Ew, and did you see his house? His little hut? Yeah. Ugh.

SPEAKER_05 41:23

I don't wanna.

SPEAKER_07 41:24

No, you don't. It looks like a hoarder's fucking hut. And that guy, he's just creepy looking anyways. But yeah, anyways, that just reminds me how old was he? He's like 30 something. 33, I think.

SPEAKER_05 41:38

I thought he was up there.

SPEAKER_07 41:39

Yeah, he's uh Yeah, 34. As of April, 34. He was 31 years at old at the time.

unknown 41:48

Oh.

SPEAKER_07 41:49

And then was didn't he like originally too like say that he hit her a hit and run, so he decided to take her and he w Really?

SPEAKER_06 41:58

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_07 41:59

That's so that's so sad. That poor that poor girl.

SPEAKER_06 42:02

Yeah, and then the mom sitting in the stands listening to him, you know. Oh my god. I I'm sorry. It was my condition. I don't give a two fucks if you're mental or not.

SPEAKER_07 42:14

I would I would go to prison, I would kill him. I don't I'm sorry, I would kill him.

SPEAKER_06 42:18

He's probably gonna end up being someone's probably gonna kill him in prison. I'm sorry. What the Because that's the biggest thing. Child abusers and animal abusers are like the first two people that get targeted in prisons.

SPEAKER_07 42:31

And wasn't he delivering her Christmas present, which was Barbies?

SPEAKER_06 42:35

I think so.

unknown 42:36

What the fuck? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 42:39

I hope he gets everything that's coming to him. Yep. I hope, and I hope it's the worst of the worst.

SPEAKER_07 42:45

Yeah, he's a another one of them, another piece of shit. Like, why can't people just stop being assholes? Because even at the very end, with nothing left to hide, he was still trying to decide how the world would remember him.

SPEAKER_05 43:05

In the final days, something changed. The man people had watched in court, confident, controlled, composed, was gone.

SPEAKER_06 43:18

What remained was someone else pale, restless, anxious.

SPEAKER_07 43:27

Guards later described him as unsettled, agitated, unable to stay still.

SPEAKER_05 43:34

There were moments where he would break into sudden outbursts, crying, then get silent again. And as that time closed in, he began to talk more. Meeting with investigators, going over cases one by one.

SPEAKER_06 44:00

The night before his execution, he reviewed them state by state, a total of thirty killings.

SPEAKER_07 44:10

Thirty spoken almost like a number, not a lifetime.

SPEAKER_05 44:16

But even then investigators believed it wasn't the full number. Not even close.

SPEAKER_07 44:25

Because even at the very end, there were things he still chose not to say. Because for the first time there were no delays left, no appeals, no control.

SPEAKER_06 44:44

And for the first time, he was the one being led.

SPEAKER_07 44:51

In the early hours of that morning, before everything was set in motion, there was one more ritual.

SPEAKER_05 44:58

A final meal.

SPEAKER_06 45:01

But Bundy declined it. Nothing special, nothing chosen, just another moment where the end was already moving towards him.

SPEAKER_05 45:12

Then he was given time. Two phone calls. Both to his mother. And in those final conversations, he apologized. I'm so sorry. I've given you all such grief. But a part of me was hidden all the time.

SPEAKER_07 45:36

Ugh. So eerie. I ca I do feel bad though for his mom. She seemed like she was a nice woman.

SPEAKER_05 45:42

Like Dahmer's dad? Yes.

SPEAKER_07 45:44

I mean, you can only try. I still feel so bad for his dad.

SPEAKER_06 45:48

Well, I mean, it's kind of like with the with the guy that did the thing to the seven-year-old, you know, his mom was like, she said it. She goes, I love my son. Right. That's gonna be my son, and it's always gonna be my son. She goes, but I don't love that person. Right, exactly. Yeah. And and that's the thing. There's the people that can pull, you know, they can look at somebody and say, I love you, but I don't love what you've become or what you've done.

SPEAKER_05 46:15

Your reactions are not acceptable.

SPEAKER_06 46:18

Like, and then, like, just recently there was a 15-year-old, I don't know if you've guys seen it, but there was a uh a guy who approached a 15-year-old and asked her for her number, and she refused to give it.

SPEAKER_08 46:34

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 46:35

So he ended up body slamming her on the ground and stomped on her head.

SPEAKER_08 46:41

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_06 46:42

And this guy's mother blamed her. Saying that she did something for him to do that. No.

SPEAKER_05 46:50

Yeah, she said she was bullying her son beforehand.

SPEAKER_06 46:54

There's document, there's footage of him doing it. Of her saying, No, I'm not gonna give you my number, and then boom, he turns violent. But you're gonna sit there and say, Well, it was her fault. No, it wasn't her fault.

SPEAKER_05 47:06

She tried to walk away. She was walking towards him, he cut her off, so she walked around the car to get away, and he followed her. Like, she was gonna avoid it.

SPEAKER_06 47:16

That mom should also get some sort of something done to her.

SPEAKER_05 47:20

Yeah, because she obviously didn't have any feeling toward it. She's like, Well, my son was being bullied by her.

SPEAKER_06 47:25

I'm like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 47:27

I wouldn't That doesn't give him a right to slam her on the ground and kick her in the head when she's already knocked out. He went up to her, supposedly asked for her number, and she rejected, didn't want to give him her number.

SPEAKER_06 47:38

And he resorted to violence.

SPEAKER_05 47:40

By slam, picked up like picked up. German suplex slam her. What?

SPEAKER_07 47:46

And then stomped on her head. And the sad part is there's so many there's a lot of people like that who lose their temper.

SPEAKER_05 47:52

I don't even know how old he was, but she was only 15. She's alive, but she's gonna be fucking scarred for the rest of her life. Probably have brain damage. And well, look what was it?

SPEAKER_07 48:02

Karen Sparks with Ted Bundy. She still has brain damage and stuff to this day from that situation.

SPEAKER_06 48:08

And she deserves restitution for that. Oh, definitely.

SPEAKER_05 48:11

Yeah. It's I say and I'm his wife should be paying for everything she does.

SPEAKER_06 48:17

I say any money that the taxpayers have had to pay to keep these people in prison. Yes. That money deserves to go to the victims of the family.

SPEAKER_07 48:26

Oh, definitely.

SPEAKER_06 48:27

I agree. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 48:30

And then it was time. He was taken from his cell, hands restrained, escorted down a narrow hallway, past doors, past people, watching. No courtroom. No audience inside. Just footsteps. Measured. Final. He entered the chamber and the chair was already there. Waiting. No more delays. No more control. And you know what's funny? Well, I shouldn't say funny. It's fucked up. No, no, no. So there's like hundreds of people outside, right? What celebrating his soon-to-be executed. And I think like his spirit advisor, Ted's Bundy spirit advisor, was like telling him what kind of what they're doing. Like outside, like celebrating his death. And then Ted Bundy was, I think, said something in other words that they're crazy. I'm like, really? No, no, no.

SPEAKER_06 49:29

Well uh, you're the cra why you're calling them crazy. I remember I saw that part. If you're gonna murder anybody, anybody, I don't care who you are, if you're gonna murder anybody, if you're going to attempt murder on anybody, you are the one that's crazy, you are the one that's fucked up. If somebody's gonna celebrate your death because of what you did, that's not fucked up. That's finding justice for the fucking families that you fucking ruined, you stupid piece of shit. Oh, they're crazy. What?

SPEAKER_05 49:54

Wasn't his lawyers even saying stuff like that? Yeah. Like, oh, these people are animals or something like that. Yeah. He's got 30, at the minimal, 30 victims that he murdered, defiled, went back to, did it again.

SPEAKER_06 50:11

You know, I want to know how many people nowadays would look at Ted Bundy and say, oh, he didn't deserve it. Because of all the people that are out there nowadays. Sadly, probably a handful. And there would be people saying, Don't celebrate his death. No, celebrate that fucking shit. Yeah, exactly. We should have uh Dead Bund Dead Dead Bundy. It's a dead Bundy.

SPEAKER_05 50:36

Dead Bundy Day. Yeah, Dead Bundy Day every year.

SPEAKER_06 50:40

Monday is Dead Bundy Day.

SPEAKER_05 50:42

Oh, this is the day he died. Yeah, there we go. I'll celebrate it.

SPEAKER_07 50:45

January 24th.

SPEAKER_05 50:47

Dead Bundy Day.

unknown 50:48

Dead Bundy Day.

SPEAKER_07 50:50

Well, the crowd outside was frying hamburgers. They had shirts on the Fry Teddy Fry. Yeah, and then they had shirts that said Bundy Burn.

SPEAKER_05 51:01

I wanna watch that clip again because I remember that even his lawyers were saying something stupid like that. Like, are you forgetting that he murdered a decapitated people? Exactly. He took their body parts back to his house. Oh Jesus. And he kept them for until they decomposed. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:17

And God knows what he actually did with them while he had them. And who knows which ones he tried to preserve and how long he preserved some of them. Yeah, it's messed up. So like you could have done some shit like Ed Kemper did with the heads.

SPEAKER_07 51:28

Oh Jesus. See, that's why I'm so like, there's something there's there's something not wired right up there with these people. There's not. You know, there's some sort of chemical imbalance if you think it's a well yeah, because he the most of them after they get caught, they act like they didn't do nothing wrong.

SPEAKER_05 51:47

Like, alright, yeah, they killed people, so what?

SPEAKER_06 51:50

Killed 30 folks, so he admitted to engaging in necrophilia, which included returning to victims' bodies and performing post-mortem acts. Bundy's final confessions revealed that he practiced necrophilia, which he described as a way to clear his soul. How is that clearing your damn soul, you piece of shit?

SPEAKER_05 52:10

Yeah, I don't know, man.

SPEAKER_07 52:11

That's and uh uh didn't he become spiritual after like right before being executed or something. I bet he did.

SPEAKER_06 52:19

A lot of them do that. They have a coming to Jesus conversation with their with their schizohead.

SPEAKER_05 52:25

Like, hey Lord, it's me again. I remember I murdered all 30 of those people and defiled their corpses.

SPEAKER_06 52:30

Uh I can still I can still walk through those pearly gates though, right? Fuck you, ain't going through those gates, I got the flames around them, bitch. Come here, come here.

SPEAKER_07 52:40

Yeah, it says uh He professed to have turned his life over to Jesus and became a Christian while on death row before his 1989 execution. In his final days, he prayed with a pastor, read the Bible, and expressed remorse, leading some to believe he found faith, while others strongly suspect he was manipulating. He was just being in a manipulative little cunt.

SPEAKER_05 53:02

Yeah. I'm sorry, but that's most of their cop out. They all do that so people see in a different light, hoping that, oh, now we can uh call off this execution and I can just live out the rest of my life in this cell.

SPEAKER_07 53:13

Well, Bundee stated he felt he had repented for his crime.

SPEAKER_06 53:17

You didn't repent for shit, you little bitch. He felt, but that doesn't the one thing though that I do Especially for him, what the fuck? Was knowing that the same day that John Wayne Gacy was executed, Jeffrey Dahmer was baptized. That that to me though speaks of volume. That's crazy. Because crazy though. He he did, he kept telling them. Jeffrey kept telling them, I need to be in a prison. You need to lock me up. But nobody would listen to him.

SPEAKER_07 53:50

No.

SPEAKER_06 53:51

He knew what he was doing was wrong. When he finally was sentenced to prison time and actually found God, but being baptized the same day that John Wayne Gacy looked at his audience and said, kiss my ass. There's something there that I'm just like, I'm sorry. I do think that God intervened on that one. I really do.

SPEAKER_07 54:15

I'm just picturing fat ass John Wayne Gacy.

SPEAKER_06 54:17

And I'm I'm not a religious person by any means. Okay. By any means. Kiss my ass. But it's just so strange to think that Dahmer was baptized the same day that Gacy was executed. It's like that to me was God saying, I know this guy did wrong. Yeah, it's it is a coincidence. But I'm gonna take this guy because look at what he just did. Yeah, definitely. Definitely. Because Jeffrey Dahmer never said anything like that about his victims. No. He never not not giving the guy an excuse or you know. Not making, you know, anything. You know, but he never he never sat and said to the victims' families, you guys are you guys are bitches. You guys are duck. Like he was like, I need to be in prison, but no one's listening to me. And John Wayne Gacy's out here like I'll fucking kiss my asses, you pieces of shit. No.

SPEAKER_05 55:15

I'm not getting treated right in here.

unknown 55:18

Jesus.

SPEAKER_06 55:18

No, you fat fuck. You deserve to die.

SPEAKER_05 55:21

Didn't Ted Bundy do that too? Didn't he say he wasn't getting treated right?

SPEAKER_06 55:24

I don't give two shits how you're being tree.

SPEAKER_05 55:27

If you're in prison, proportions and stuff weren't right.

SPEAKER_06 55:30

I hope you're being treated the worst of the worst while you're in prison. I hope you're getting gang raped in prison. I hope you are.

SPEAKER_05 55:36

I still think peanut butter and jelly is too good for them. Bologna cheese is still good too good for them.

SPEAKER_07 55:40

I mean, like uh you can eat your own shit.

SPEAKER_05 55:44

Yeah, that's still too good for you. Flushes. Like you guys are criminals. Like, give them canned cat food.

SPEAKER_06 55:52

That's still too good for them. Yeah, because unless you give them tiki cat, that shit has whole bones in it. Ooh. Like, let me let me try and watch them eat all those bones.

SPEAKER_05 56:01

It just sucks because regardless of the crime, we have to pay for it.

SPEAKER_06 56:05

I I'm I can tell you right now, I my taxes, I do not need to be paying for somebody to sit on death row for 20 plus years. That's fucking funny.

SPEAKER_05 56:12

Well, even those people that had weed charges, you still have to pay for them for 20 years. Like, oh my god, you guys are smoking weed and selling weed. My bad.

SPEAKER_06 56:20

I'm sorry, but it's fucking weed. My god, it's not the end of the fucking world. Now, if you're gonna sell weed that's like laced with fentanyl or heroin, yes, yeah, then you do deserve to be in there. But if you're just selling weed to sell it.

SPEAKER_05 56:33

Organic all smoky.

SPEAKER_06 56:35

I don't give two shits if you sell weed.

SPEAKER_05 56:39

That's like the only thing that should be legal. You got tobacco out there making people fucking insane.

SPEAKER_06 56:44

I mean, like me, with my gastroparesis, the one thing that I found that helped me was edibles. Yeah. So yeah, I'm gonna fucking take them to eat.

SPEAKER_05 56:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 56:56

Gotta do what helps, and you can't fucking and I mean there are people out there that can't just go into a a a fucking dispensary to afford how much dispensaries want for all this shit. They have to buy it off the street. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05 57:11

Yeah. Yeah, just because it got legal doesn't mean it became cheap.

SPEAKER_06 57:15

Yeah, and and you know, it it and it's not. And unfortunately, some people have to resort to going to street drugs.

SPEAKER_07 57:22

Unfortunately. Yes. Sad.

SPEAKER_05 57:26

Witnesses stood behind glass. Officials, law enforcement, the press, and representatives for the victims. His family wasn't there. They had said their goodbyes earlier. When asked for final words, he gave a short statement. I'd like to give my love to my family and friends. No confession. No apology. Even at the very end, he chose distance.

SPEAKER_06 58:06

Moments later, the sentence was carried out. At 7.16 a.m. on January 24th, 1989, Theodore Robert Bundy was pronounced dead. And just like that, it was over.

SPEAKER_07 58:26

Yep, that's how it should be. And I was reading, I forgot, um. Who was it? One of the people that was in the room with him while he was getting executed. He remembers like watching his fist, uh, Ted Bundy's fist, like when he was getting the jolts. Yeah, it was just clenching and shaking like that.

SPEAKER_06 58:45

Yeah, that means it hurt. And it shouldn't hurt, you stupid little bitch. Should make it hurt. The worst.

SPEAKER_05 58:53

I can't remember if it was uh Rick and Morty or Futurama, but there's an episode where they all ended one of somebody ended up in prison with a killer, and he's like, he took a knife and he finally stabbed himself. He's like, oh, that's what I've been doing to people this whole time.

SPEAKER_07 59:06

Oh, this is what it felt like?

SPEAKER_05 59:08

Yeah. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_07 59:09

I don't know why I thought we were thinking about B is a butthead. But killer. Kyler.

SPEAKER_05 59:15

Whoa, that's Kyler.

SPEAKER_07 59:17

The killer had killer tattooed on his forehead, and they called him Kyler. They didn't realize that was the killer. And like, oh Kyler. They're you know.

SPEAKER_05 59:27

Fucking idiots. I love Beavis and I'm gonna get away.

SPEAKER_06 59:31

I wish I could have got into Beavis and Butthead, but I can't. Oh my god, they're so funny.

SPEAKER_05 59:35

He said I because they're gonna be a good one. They're so stupid.

SPEAKER_07 59:38

They're so dumb. They're dumb. So dumb. I love the dumb idiots though, it makes me laugh. Like workaholics.

SPEAKER_05 59:44

Yes. They're stupid, dude. I still want to see the bad friends cartoon when it comes out.

SPEAKER_06 59:48

Yeah, that'll be funny.

SPEAKER_05 59:49

That'll be funny.

SPEAKER_06 59:50

I need to watch that Stranger Things since that's a good one. We still have lunch in the Tales of 80 people.

SPEAKER_07 59:55

I was enjoying it, and then Lane's like, I don't know, it's a monster. I don't want to watch this.

SPEAKER_05 59:59

Yeah, because uh it was given that uh Tall Tell Tell Tale or Tall Dead.

SPEAKER_07 1:00:04

Yeah, the the the game dead type. That's the vibe it was giving me. I love that. Those are good ass games. Those walking dead. I would say I like isn't that aren't those closer to the comic books?

SPEAKER_06 1:00:15

See, I like that story more than the the the show. So the show, Daryl, Daryl was never in the comic books. He was written for the show, him and Merle.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:26

Makes sense.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:28

Um and technically, Rick, if they wanted to follow the comics accurately, he would have been with after Lori, he would have been with Andrea, not Michone. Oh. Oh yeah, because in the comic books, him and Andrea get together. Because they had such great on-screen on-screen chemistry, they worked, you know, and was like people were were putting Rick and Michonne together, and that's why they ended up putting Rick and Michonne together because they had such great on-screen chemistry, which I thought was honestly a better move than going with Andrea if they were gonna do him with Andrew.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:06

Andrea got with the stupid governor, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:01:08

Yeah. I hated that guy. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. He he he pissed me off more than he pissed me off more than Negan did, and Negan did more shit than the governor did. The governor, I just didn't like how he looked.

SPEAKER_07 1:01:24

I didn't like how he talked. He just pissed me off.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:26

But I like Negan because they did a redemption arc for him. Like, yes, I understand what he did was terrible, killing, you know, Abraham and Glenn and stuff like that. But I'm glad they gave him a redemption arc to work with, you know, all of them so that that way they could potentially come back out with a, you know, like a a spinoff since they finally did the spin-off with Rick and Michonne and, you know, re you know, reuniting Rick with Judith and and him meeting his son RJ for the first time. Yes. Like that I know that they there there's talks of them doing like another season of or doing a a like a mini series of them all getting back together. Because I need a Rick and Daryl reunion. Yeah. Like, they should have done that in the TV show The Ones Who Live, just because Daryl's been the one that has been looking for Rick ever since he went missing. Oh. Yeah. I'm like, Daryl deserves to know that his brother's still around.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:38

But before that moment, inside those walls, he already knew. He had been told that people were gathering outside, waiting, celebrating. And his response was simple. Crazy. Not fear, not remorse, just a distance.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:00

Outside, hundreds gathered. They sang, they danced. Fireworks lit the sky. A celebration of an ending. T-shirts were sold. Signs raised. Burn, Bundy, burn.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:20

I wonder if some of these people still have these t-shirts. But his celebration is more so good, you're dead.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:28

Good riddance.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:29

So yeah. So technically they they weren't in the wrong. No. They weren't in the wrong. But I was yeah, there was like a couple hundred people there, and it was just like a car.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:40

Yeah, they still gave him more than he deserved.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:44

But I think they were wanting him to know they were outside.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:47

That they were hating on him.

SPEAKER_07 1:03:48

I would want him to know.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:49

They definitely did it for hatred. I gave it.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:51

Oh, yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:52

Understood.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:52

Yep. When it was over, a white hearse left the facility. And the crowd cheered.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:03

Ted Monday, even in death, stirred hatred. Crowd of hundreds started gathering before dawn. It took a moment on a macop took his like atmosphere. At one point, the celebration got out of hand. One man was arrested for shooting off fireworks.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:28

My mom watched his execution on TV.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:33

Mom's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:41

She has some of the craziest stories. Oh God. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:45

It's kind of like my Uncle Bob. He's got some he's got some stories. Like he used to party with John Goodman at PTs. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, my mom has stories like that. She would probably add a lot of viewership. Uh she she yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:04:59

She would.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:00

They'd be like, who's this fucking lady on this podcast?

SPEAKER_07 1:05:03

And how did they add her? You just need to understand. She's crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:08

Like you just gotta you just gotta understand. His body was cremated in Gainesville, Florida, and his ashes were scattered. In the Cascade Mountains of Washington. A place tied to where so much of this began. That's bullshit. I know. I know it's it's fucked up.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:31

Go put his fucking ashes in the garbage. That's where at le but that's where at least four is his four of his victims was found. Like how I think that that is inconsiderate.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:45

Okay, I I read.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:46

But I'm sorry. That's inconsiderate.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:48

That's where he killed a lot of these vic like their bodies were, and then you're gonna be asked to Well I yeah, I thought it was on uh um one of the documentaries, one of the parts where he said Or they said that he wanted his ashes spread there just because it's where he had the best time of his life.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:05

Yes. Except it's fucked up. It's fucked up. They shouldn't have gave him that present. I mean, I get it that it's your body and stuff, but not like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:13

They should have dumped him in the toilet, shit on him, then flushed it.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:17

Or put it down the garbage disposable with your mama's meatloaf. Oh god. Fucking piece of shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:24

It says There's no way you get that.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:27

Ted Bundy's ashes were turned over to his attorney, Diana Wiener.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:32

Wiener?

SPEAKER_07 1:06:35

Wiener, Wiener. Following his cremation in 1989, according to his will, he requested his ashes be scattered in Washington's Cascade Range, where he had buried some of his victims. While some reports indicate they were scattered there, it has never been publicly confirmed by Wiener, leading to uncertainty.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:56

Of shit, motherfucker.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:58

She was charged. Could you imagine being placed in charge of somebody's a serial killer's ashes? I'd be like, what the f I don't want the f what the f I would have probably yeah, dumped it in the drain, then be like, well, where'd you put on like oh I I scattered them or and I'd be like, I'm putting down the fucking drain. Like they deserve to be the dirty bitch.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:16

They are scattered.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:18

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:19

He wouldn't be lying then. They're scattered.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:22

But I'm sorry, that check, check. He shouldn't have had that option.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:26

No, there's no way. Last meal shouldn't even unfortunately, I don't give a fuck how heinous it sounds. Last meal shouldn't be enough.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:33

They shouldn't have that luxury either.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:34

It's like a luxury should be in the middle. With no windows, no nothing, just until their date of execution. Complete darkness. And then when they open the room, then they get blinded by the general population, no nothing.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:51

If they would have gave him a sooner execution date, he probably would have came cleaner, but no. Or claim clean faster, but they're like, oh let's let it marry me. Yeah. Like that's not how that's not how it works. But even that isn't where the story ends.

SPEAKER_07 1:08:09

Before we close the story, we need to bring it back to the people who should have always been at the center of it. Because this was never just a case. Never just headlines or a name people remember. These were real people daughters, students, friends. Lives that were taken far too soon.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:32

Linda Anne Healy, Donagil Manson, Susan Elaine Raincourt, Roberta Kathleen Parks, Brenda Carroll Ball, Georgianne Hawkins, Janice Ann Ott, Denise Nussland, Nancy Wilcox, Melissa Smith, Laura Amy, Karen Campbell, Deborah Kent, Julie Cunningham, Margaret Bowman, Lisa Levy, Kimberly Leech.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:13

And that's only 17. I don't know, just reading all those names makes it like more like, oh my gosh, that's a that is a lot of people.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:20

Too many that he got away with.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:23

But even that list may not be complete.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:28

Because in his final conversations, he admitted there were others he would never talk about fucking asshole.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:38

He did that on purpose. So he could have one last fucking hoorah.

unknown 1:09:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:09:45

Victims too close to home. Too close to family. Or too young.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:51

Over the years, investigators have connected his name to other disappearances. Cases that remain unsolved.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:03

Anne Marie Burr, just eight years old, taken from her home in Washington. Susan Davis, Elizabeth Perry, two young women found in New Jersey. Joyce LePage, Carrie May Hardy, both connected to areas he had been. Vicki Holler, Suzanne Justice, Rita Jolly all disappeared without answers.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:33

And others who may never be identified at all.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:38

Some of these cases remain unconfirmed, still open, still waiting for answers.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:48

And also can't forget about Karen Sparks and like the people he with the other Chi Omega survivors. Like the survivors though.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:58

Yeah, they're survivors. That's even f yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:05

And uh LaRanche, what was um who escaped his car? Yeah. Carol Duranche, yeah, and heart like I mean it's all connected, like they all this no, they're messed up too from all this. It's just mess fucked up.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:18

And for every name we know, there may be others. We never will.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:24

Stories left unfinished. Families left waiting.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:30

The story doesn't belong to him. It never did. It belongs to them. And they deserve to be remembered by name.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:45

And that concludes our Ted Bundy series. A story that's been told countless times, but never one that should be forgotten.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:54

If you've been here with us through every part, thank you.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:00

And if you want to support the show, one of the biggest ways you can help is by leaving a review on Apple or Spotify. Just screenshot it and send it to us to be entered into our monthly giveaway starting next month. Yes, I'm excited to do those.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:16

I am too. We have some cool ideas. You can also send it to our email at um Veil of Echoes Podcast at gmail.com. Yes. And we're also working on something new a listener story series coming this summer, where your experiences become part of our show.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:37

And we're still looking for a name for our listeners. So if you have ideas, send them our way.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:46

And then I know Morbid Jen, she really likes Veil Walkers.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:50

Veil Walkers.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:52

Which we really like that too. But there's also the Echo Keepers, the Hensley. We'll keep the Veil Walkers at the top of our list. We like that one, but please give us more options. Yes. And then we're gonna have like a we'll probably wait for like till next month to do a poll or something. Give time. Yeah. But and this Friday, we're stepping away from true crime and into something else. A place. Where people aren't just warned to be careful. They're warned not to go at all. Deep in the Australian outback, there are lights that don't belong to anything we understand.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:34

They follow, they watch, and sometimes they lead people somewhere they don't come back from.

SPEAKER_07 1:13:45

Until next time, keep your ears open.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:48

And the veil closed.