Ep. 61: The Min Min Lights — Australia’s Most Unexplained Phenomenon

In the remote stretches of the Australian outback… people have reported seeing something they can’t explain for over a century.

A single light.

Floating just above the horizon.

Sometimes distant.
 Sometimes impossibly close.
 And in many cases… following.

Known as the Min Min lights, this phenomenon has been witnessed by travelers, locals, and Indigenous communities long before it was ever documented. Descriptions remain eerily consistent—glowing orbs that move unpredictably, keep pace with moving vehicles, and disappear the moment you try to reach them.

In this episode of Veil of Echoes, we explore the history, sightings, and theories behind the Min Min lights—from Aboriginal stories and early accounts… to scientific explanations like atmospheric refraction and mirages.

But even with decades of investigation…

something doesn’t fully add up.

Because these lights don’t just appear.

They react.

They follow.

And for those who have seen them…

the experience is something they never forget.

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📂 SHOW NOTES

•  Episode 61: The Min Min Lights 
•  Phenomenon primarily reported in remote regions of Australia, particularly Queensland and Channel Country 
•  Sightings date back to Indigenous Australian oral histories prior to European colonization 
•  Descriptions commonly include hovering lights that may change color and appear to follow witnesses 
•  Scientific theories explored include atmospheric refraction (Fata Morgana), bioluminescence, and geophysical phenomena 

🎧 Audio used in this episode:

“Min Min Lights – Storylines Q150 Digital Story”
 Produced by the State Library of Queensland (2009)
 Featuring witness accounts from the Boulia region
 Funded by the Queensland Government as part of Q150 celebrations

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🔎 SOURCES

•  State Library of Queensland. Min Min Lights – Storylines Q150 Digital Story (2009) 
•  Australian folklore and historical accounts of Min Min lights 
•  Scientific discussions on atmospheric refraction and Fata Morgana mirages 
•  Regional reports and documented witness accounts from Queensland and surrounding areas 

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Beneath the ordinary world lies a veil, and behind it the voices of the lost still whisper. We are your guides into the shadows, where true crime meets the parallel.

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You're driving through the Australian Outback at night. No streetlights, no houses, no other cars, just miles of empty road stretching into darkness. And then you see it. A light floating in the distance. Too bright to be a star. Too low to be anything in the sky. At first, you think it's another car, but it's not moving like one. It doesn't stay in its lane. It doesn't follow the road. It stops. Then shifts slowly, drifting to the side before moving again. And suddenly it's closer.

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Close enough that you can't ignore it anymore.

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So you speed up just a little and it follows. You go faster, it keeps pace.

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Matching you perfectly.

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No roads it can turn onto. No headlights behind you. No explanation. And when you finally get the nerve to look back, it's gone. Chase them.

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Explain them.

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And they can't. This is episode 61.

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The Min Min Lights.

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Welcome to Veil of Echoes, a cinematic immersive experience where true crime and the unexplained collide. Because not everything can be explained, and not everything stays buried. Some stories don't end. They linger. They follow, and they echo.

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And I'm Bria. Before we begin, this episode contains themes of unexplained phenomena and reported encounters. Listener discretion is advised.

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A space for your stories.

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Because some stories don't belong to just one person. We want you to feel like you're part of this with us. And we have another thing that we're really excited about is officially naming you our listeners.

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And right now, we've been loving the name Veil Walkers.

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But we want to hear from you guys too.

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Because at the end of the day, every story we tell is something we experience together. Yeah, May is just a big month for us, I feel like. And tonight's story is one that's been seen for over a century. Long before the Min Min lights were ever studied or written about, they were already being seen. Stories of strange lights in the Australian Outback exist in multiple Aboriginal Australian cultures, dating back to a time before European colonization. Passed down through generations, these lights weren't just sightings. They were part of the land and part of the story.

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Some sources point to a possible sighting in the 1800s, but it's unclear whether the report was actually describing the same phenomenon, which means for a long time, these lights existed more in experience than in record.

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Today, the Min Min lights are most commonly reported in remote regions of Australia, from western New South Wales to northern Queensland and deep into the outback. But the majority of these sightings happen in an area known as Channel Country. Flat land, endless horizon, very little to interrupt your view.

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Other sightings have also been reported in parts of South Australia and Western Australia, which suggest this isn't limited to just one location. It's something spread across the landscape.

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Descriptions of the lights vary, but certain details stay consistent. They're often seen as glowing orbs hovering just above the horizon. Usually white, but sometimes they shift. Red, green, then back again.

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Some witnesses describe them as dim. Others say they're bright enough to cast shadows on the ground. Bright enough to feel close.

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But what makes the Min Men lights so unsettling isn't just how they look, but it's how they move.

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People report the lights approaching them, then retreating, following at a distance, before suddenly disappearing.

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And others say the lights keep pace with them, even while driving, matching their speed, staying just far enough away that they can't be reached.

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And according to folklore, anyone who successfully follows the lights never comes back.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

A light that appears out of nowhere, moves like it's aware of you, and disappears the moment you try to understand it. I'm gonna say it's aliens.

SPEAKER_03 7:58

Yeah, because if something behaves like that, not random, but not predictable, what do you think it actually is? Aliens. I mean that's what it seems like. It's but it's been noticed for generations and genera since the earliest sightings being in the 1800s.

SPEAKER_01 8:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:18

It doesn't say early 1800s or late 1800s, but eighteen hundreds, so I'm gonna assume earlier.

SPEAKER_01 8:24

Yeah, I yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 8:28

I It's hard to say it's not because I mean just the patterns.

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Obviously.

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The way they shift from red, blue, green, white, back to like or red, blue, green, back to white.

SPEAKER_01 8:39

Yeah.

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It's obviously not just a normal star or a satellite, and back then there was no satellites, so the earliest encounters they couldn't just say it was balloons. Right. They couldn't even really say it was headlights. I mean, there wasn't really headlights back then. That were just traveling all through Australia.

SPEAKER_01 9:00

Yeah, and I wonder why it's just in that spot. It says they were first widely reported in 1918. By a stock bin near the Bullia region of Outbeck, Queensbeck. Outbeck, Queensland.

SPEAKER_03 9:12

So that's not the 1800s, that's the early 1900s. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:16

Well, first widely reported.

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Okay, gotcha.

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Um, shortly after the town's Minmen Hotel burned down. Hmm. However, stories of similar phenomena exist in Indigenous Australian culture predating European colonization, with some records suggesting sightings as early as 1838 or 1902.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

So my question is, like, are they named the Minmen lights or they started being noticed after the hotel was burnt down, or it just says lights take their name from the abandoned Minman Hotel. Maybe people thought they were seeing those lights when they were pulling up on it or something.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

I wonder what the hotel.

SPEAKER_03 9:58

Yeah, that's what I'm confused about. Is like, what does it have to do with the lights?

SPEAKER_01 10:02

Hmm. The Minman Hotel is a notorious, now abandoned 19th century Queensland, Australia, watering hole, famous for inspiring the legendary Min Min lights. Its graveyard reportedly sparking ghostly tales of floating chasing orbs. It was burned down, right? Yeah, destroyed by a fire, commonly reported around 1918 or February 14th, 1924. Valentine's Day. Huh. Wow. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 10:35

Yeah, it seems uh a little extraterrestrial. Yeah, like it's like hotel lights don't just follow you and change colors on their own.

SPEAKER_01 10:44

Huh. According to this Time Gents article, it says the Minman lights is circular and has fuzzy moving edges as in this can't talk. And is usually white, but can be green, yellow, red, or rarely blue. The fuzzy orbs can dance around erratically left to right, up and down and back and forth. While there are scientific explanations for the eerie lights, others believe it is the ghosts of the bodies buried in a graveyard behind the Min Min Hotel. Huh. And the Min Min Hotel. When was that? When was that built? It was built in the early 1880s.

SPEAKER_03 11:24

Definitely seems like it could have been aliens.

SPEAKER_01 11:28

But that's interesting about the um ghosts, the of the They think the lights are the spirits.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Hmm. Like trapped or something. As sightings of the Min Min lights became more widely reported, people began trying to explain them. Not as stories, not as folklore, but as something real, something measurable, and something understood.

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Scientists, researchers, and skeptics alike have all proposed theories over the years, trying to answer the same question. What are people actually seeing? One of the most widely accepted explanations is something called feta mogana, a specific type of mirage caused by extreme temperature differences in the air. In environments like the Australian Outback, layers of hot and cold air can bend light, allowing objects that are actually far beyond the horizon to appear visible.

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Lights that shouldn't be seen suddenly are campfires, distant buildings, even headlights from cars miles away.

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And because the air itself is unstable, those lights don't appear normal. They distort, they shift, they move.

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And sometimes they even seem to follow. It's a convincing explanation, but not a complete one.

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Another theory suggests the lights could be biological, possibly insects, or even birds, producing light through a process known as bioluminescence.

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In some cases, it's been suggested that environmental factors like fungi could trigger that kind of glow.

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But so far, there's no confirmed evidence of any species in the area producing light bright enough or consistent enough to match the reports.

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Other explanations point to the land itself. Natural gases, electrical charges in the earth, even pressure within certain types of rock producing light under specific conditions.

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But again, those conditions don't exist. In every area where the light's been reported, which raises a problem.

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Because every explanation, no matter how convincing, only explains part of it.

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The movement, the brightness, the location.

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Something always doesn't quite fit.

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And then there are the reports that don't match any explanation at all.

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Lights that change direction against the wind, lights that approach people, then stop, and lights that disappear instantly, but only to reappear somewhere else.

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And perhaps the most unsettling detail, the way they seem to respond.

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Not like something being carried by nature, but like something aware.

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If something can't fully be explained by science, but continues to be seen again and again, at what point does it stop being coincidence?

SPEAKER_01 15:00

Well it's not a coincidence. I mean, I don't know. Why else do I don't know it's weak coincidence?

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I think the multiple blah blah blah the multiple reports over generations.

SPEAKER_01 15:09

Yeah. You know, similar matching stories before we had this type of technology, so Well, it kinda reminds me of like all the the the different haunted forests because they see these or they see orbs too, lights.

SPEAKER_03 15:23

Yeah, and that's other ones that generations and generations of stories pass down and it's hard to be like, oh, it was this or this or that stuff didn't exist then.

SPEAKER_01 15:32

Right.

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The stuff you want to blame it on wasn't around yet.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I don't know. It's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 15:41

I'd like to see them, just to see 'em, but it is like at what point does it become it's not a coincidence after a lot of people have seen it, like. Right. It's like, oh, you seen it, me too. That's a coincidence. Not when multiple people have seen the same thing.

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Uh-huh. Yeah, it's I'd I'd like to see it. For many people, the first encounter doesn't feel threatening. It's just a light. Far off in the distance. Something you notice, but don't think too much about until it moves.

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One of the most common experiences comes from drivers traveling through the remote stretch of the outback at night. Long roads, no traffic, no distractions. Just you and the dark.

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At first, the light appears behind them, distant, easy to ignore. But then it starts getting closer.

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Not fast. Not aggressive, but just enough to stay visible.

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So they speed up, and it follows.

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Matching their pace.

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No headlights, no sound, just a single light holding its position.

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And the light, which was a white, glowing light, which was kind of hovering above the trees, was getting closer, and we all agreed at the same time there should be some kind of noise. And we thought, gee, that grew shooter's getting a little bit close for comfort. And then finally someone said, Maybe it's the Minmin light. And that's the moment when something shifts.

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Because it stops feeling like coincidence.

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And starts feeling intentional.

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There are no other cars, no roads it could be coming from, no explanation for how it's still there.

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Some people try to test it. They slow down.

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And the light slows too.

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They stop completely.

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And sometimes it does the same.

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It's just sitting there.

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Others try to get closer. They turn the car and they follow it. But no matter how far they go, the distance never changes. It stays just ahead of them, always visible and never reachable.

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Like it's leading them, without ever letting them catch up.

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And in some versions of the story, people who follow the lights too far never come back.

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There's no confirmed evidence that this actually happened. But the idea has remained part of the folklore.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

Yeah, because if they follow 'em, they probably go to disappear. Probably I don't know why I think it's aliens. They probably just take them out.

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Just has a very uh similar feeling.

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Um, for our listeners in Australia, please let us know if you have seen these lights. I'm curious. But what many witnesses agree on isn't just what they saw, it's what they felt.

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The sense of being watched, of not being alone, even in complete isolation, of something keeping its distance, but never leaving.

SPEAKER_01 19:27

Yes. I'd be curious.

SPEAKER_03 19:31

Yeah, I mean. Well, like, where does it go? What do you guys think? Would you try to follow these lights? Because apparently they disappear when you try to follow 'em, and they keep up with you or they retract, so it's all based on whatever you try to do, but I mean, if I seen a random ass orb of light, I would get in the dark outback. Well, that's the thing, and you guys in the outback, if you're out there testing this theory, let us know. But it says it changes color, so there's no way it's just like Yeah, that's true. It's gotta be something that's Something's controlling it.

SPEAKER_01 20:07

Yeah.

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It has to have some kind of mind. If it's not its own, then it's being controlled.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

Yeah. I should message Taylor, because she lives in Australia.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

Yeah, be like, hey, I need you to drive this road.

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Have you heard of these lights?

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If any of you have known or seen the Min Men lights, let us know what you've seen or what your theory is on them.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

Yes, it's just very curious. Very. I'd like to see them. But then apparently you disappear, so.

SPEAKER_03 20:36

Well, if you see them, you don't disappear. It's if you catch them.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Oh well. Yeah, because if you catch them, it's like aha.

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If I see them in the mirror, I'm like, alright, drive faster.

SPEAKER_01 20:46

Yeah. After everything, the sightings, the stories, and the attempts to explain it, we're still left with the same question. What are these mid-min lights?

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Science offers explanations. Mirages, atmospheric distortion, light bending across the horizon.

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And in some cases, those explanations make sense. They can't account for distance, movement, and distortion.

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But not all of it.

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Because there's always something left over. Something that doesn't quite fit.

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The way the lights move, the way they respond, the way people describe the same experience, even when they've never heard of the story before.

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And maybe that's where the discomfort comes from. Not just what we don't understand, but what we might not be meant to. Because not every phenomenon fits into something we can measure, and not every experience can be explained away.

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A light in the distance, appearing when nothing else is there. Following but never getting closer. Staying just far enough away that you can't prove what it is.

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And maybe that's the point. Not to be seen, but to be noticed.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

If you saw something like that, something you couldn't explain, would you try to understand it? Or just keep driving?

SPEAKER_01 22:26

Um again, I would be too curious. I would slow down and be like, what is that thing? Because it doesn't stop too? It goes by with your speed.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

At the point when it starts changing color, you're like, does it need something from me? Like, it seems like an emergency signal, and you're changing from white to yellow to green to blue to like.

SPEAKER_01 22:46

I'd be asking Am I high?

SPEAKER_03 22:49

Yeah. That's okay over there.

unknown 22:51

Right.

SPEAKER_01 22:52

Yeah, but oh it it's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 22:55

I do like the theory of the uh phenomenon that happens that bends the lights, but making lights from miles away appear right behind you, that's uh I mean because you gotta think what the aurora lights and stuff, but those I This is a whole difference. This is like a type of mirage that reflects lights that could be a hundred miles away. Yeah. Like right up to your point.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

That's so strange.

SPEAKER_03 23:18

Yeah, so it's like interesting. What point in Australia do I have to be to see something like that to know?

SPEAKER_01 23:23

Yeah.

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Coming to Australia.

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I don't want to go there any. And that concludes this episode of Veil of Echoes.

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This Monday we step into a case that's very real.

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A man who lived a quiet life on the surface but was hiding something much darker just beneath it.

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Disappearances.

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A property with a secret.

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And a truth that wouldn't stay buried.

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And inside his home, mannequins dressed. Positioned like they were watching. Herb Baumeister.

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And what was discovered on his property?

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Until next time, keep your ears open.

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And the ale closed.