Ep. 62: Herb Baumeister - The Horror of Fox Hollow Farm

What looked like a quiet family home hidden in the woods of Indiana would eventually become one of the most disturbing crime scenes in modern true crime history.

In this episode of Veil of Echoes, we explore the horrifying case of Herb Baumeister — the successful businessman and family man who became the prime suspect in the murders of multiple men connected to Indianapolis’ gay bar scene during the 1980s and 1990s.

From the eerie halls of Fox Hollow Farm and its unsettling mannequins… to the discovery of thousands of human bone fragments buried across the property… this is a story filled with unanswered questions, missing victims, and a darkness that may stretch far beyond one house.

Was Herb Baumeister also responsible for the infamous I-70 Strangler killings?

Tonight, we examine the evidence, the victims, the investigation, and the silence he left behind.

🕯️ This episode is dedicated to the victims and families still waiting for answers.

🎙️ Listener requested episode by Morbid Jenn.

📝 SHOW NOTES

In the early 1990s, investigators in Indiana began noticing a chilling pattern: young men disappearing after visiting gay bars in the Indianapolis area.

That investigation would eventually lead authorities to Fox Hollow Farm — the sprawling property owned by businessman Herb Baumeister — where investigators uncovered thousands of human bone fragments hidden throughout the woods.

In this episode, we cover:

•  Herb Baumeister’s background and early warning signs 
•  His double life and connection to Indianapolis gay bars 
•  The survivor encounter that helped identify him 
•  The suspected link to the I-70 Strangler murders 
•  The horrifying discoveries at Fox Hollow Farm 
•  The victims identified through DNA and forensic genealogy 
•  Baumeister’s flight to Canada and death 
•  The unanswered questions that remain today 

This episode contains discussions of violence, homicide, missing persons, and human remains. Listener discretion is advised.

🎧 Audio Credits

This episode includes a brief investigative audio clip featuring commentary from a private investigator discussing the survivor encounter connected to the Herb Baumeister case.

🕯️ Victims Mentioned

•  John Lee “Johnny” Bayer 
•  Jeffrey Allen Jones 
•  Richard Douglas Hamilton Jr. 
•  Allen Lee Livingston 
•  Daniel Thomas Halloran 
•  Steven Spurlin Hale 
•  Allen Wayne Broussard 
•  Roger Allen Goodlet 
•  Michael Frederick Keirn 
•  Manuel Resendez 
•  Jerry Williams-Comer (possible additional victim) 

📚 Sources

•  Hamilton County Coroner’s Office 
•  Indianapolis Star archives 
•  AP News reporting on Fox Hollow Farm investigations 
•  Historical reporting from WTHR Indianapolis 
•  FBI ViCAP references related to I-70 Strangler investigations 
•  Interviews and investigative commentary regarding survivor Tony Harris 
•  Public records and historical case reporting 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:00

Beneath the ordinary world lies a veil, and behind it, the voices of the lost still whisper.

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We are your guides into the shadows, where true crime meets the paranormal.

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From chilling crimes to haunted histories, we uncover the stories that refuse to rest.

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This is Vale of Echoes.

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There are houses that look normal from the outside. Long driveways, quiet trees, lights on in the windows. The kind of place you wouldn't think twice about passing. Fox Hollow Farm.

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A large home. A successful business owner. A wife. On paper, nothing about it stood out.

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But sometimes the things that don't stand out are the ones no one looks at closely enough. And inside that house, there were things people couldn't explain. Mannequins.

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Positioned.

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Not packed away. Not stored.

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Placed. Like they were meant to be seen. Like they were watching.

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Past the image of normal life. There were woods.

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Dense, still. The kind of quiet that feels too quiet.

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And for years, people had been disappearing.

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Leaving bars, leaving friends, leaving behind families who kept waiting for them to come home.

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But some of them never made it very far at all.

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Because behind that house, beneath the trees, there were remains burned, broken, scattered, thousands of fragments. And even now, not all of them have been identified.

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This is episode 62.

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Oh my god.

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And what was in a foxhollow farm? Welcome to Veil of Echoes, a cinematic immersive experience. Where two crime and the unexplained collide.

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Every story we tell leaves something behind.

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And sometimes those stories don't just leave questions. They leave evidence.

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Fragments. We're your host, I'm Lindsay.

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I'm Zach.

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And I'm Bria. And before we begin, we want to take a moment to thank one of our listeners, Morbid Jen. She's been with us since the very beginning.

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And this is a case she's been wanting us to cover.

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And with it officially being May, we're starting something we've been really excited about.

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At the end of this month, we'll be sending out our very first monthly giveaways.

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All you have to do to enter is leave a rating or written review. Take a screenshot and send it to us.

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We'll be choosing listeners each month and putting together some really special things for you guys. So I'm thinking we'll probably um announce these winners at the end of every month and then send the send them out like the first part of the month. Yeah. Yeah. So we have time for the biggest.

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So get them out by like the first week of the month. But that's our plan. Sounds good.

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And by the end of this month, we'll also be officially choosing a name for our listeners.

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We've seen so many good ideas already. And we'll be putting up a final poll soon, so you can help decide. Yeah, we'll probably do this at the end of the month too. So all the cool things. May's just a very um cool month because we have two guest speakers coming on. Yeah, May and this fun stuff. And then I don't know if I told you, Lindsay, but we got a cool little comment on our like someone um was engaging with our listener ideas, and they even said that um they like veil walkers. So Nik Nikki Leary. She likes Veil Walkers. Well thank you, Nikki. Yeah, that was awesome.

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Seems to be a heavy runner at the moment.

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Yes. Which they're all good ideas, but yes, please give us we have until the end of the month, so please, please keep up with yeah, coming in with your ideas. Because tonight's story isn't one that exists in theory.

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It isn't something unexplained.

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It's something that happened. A life that looked normal from the outside.

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A man that no one expected.

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In a place that held the truth long after it should have been found.

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Because before Fox Hollow Farm became a crime scene, her ballmeister was someone people thought they understood. Before investigators walked through those woods carefully, piece by piece, Herb Baumeister was living a life that, on the surface, looked stable. He was born in 1947 in Indianapolis, Indiana. He was the oldest of four children, and raised in what was described as a normal middle-class household. Nothing about those early years, at least outwardly, pointed to what he would later become.

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His father was an anesthesiologist, a respected position, structured, educated, established. And that kind of environment usually comes with expectations. Stability, direction, control. But even in homes that appear structured, there can be things developing that no one fully sees.

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And that's what makes cases like this so unsettling. Because when people later look back, they don't always see chaos. They see something that felt almost normal. Which makes everything that comes after feel even harder to process.

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But as he got older, that sense of normal started to shift. People who knew him began to notice behavior that didn't quite fit. So apparently he um began exhibiting like antisocial behavior by adolescence. And then friends later recalled his Europhilia. So he had an obsession with and enjoyed urinating on things. Like uh friends would later recall that he used to ponder on what it would be like to taste human urine. And he also enjoyed urinating on teachers' desks and playing with dead animals. Golden shower!

SPEAKER_07 9:17

What the fuck?

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Who what was it someone else we talked about with the urine? Was it Albert Fish, I think?

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Urine?

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Yeah, he liked to pee.

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I thought, like, he didn't he like try feces and urine or something?

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Yes, yes.

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What the f before he did human flesh or whatever?

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I don't know. Yeah, something like that.

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Yeah, it was yeah, it was something along those lines that was uh sounded fishy, alright.

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Albert Fish.

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Albert Fish.

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Gross. I think. He had some weird fascinations though, like I know. Needles in the taint.

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I don't know. I would love to redo his episode eventually and add all the sound effects and asked.

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How would you guys like revamped episodes?

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Yes.

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Like revisit, reamplify.

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I'd like to do a few of our past ones, actually. Join us. At Kemper.

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Kemp Dog.

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A few of them. Um but yeah, that's uh disturbing as always. Yep. But I thought I would just add that. Yum. Gotta get your vitamins somehow.

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Yeah.

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I like who? Why does that come through someone's random thoughts?

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Like, I wanna know what Yeah, like you see something come out of somebody's asshole and you're like, I'm gonna eat that.

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In the smell.

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Like, ooh, yeah, that's that's the first thing that turns me off about a dish. If I s if I cannot stand the smell of it, I'm not eating it.

SPEAKER_06 10:47

Ew, is that what that Two Girls One Cup thing was?

SPEAKER_05 10:55

That was more than funny.

SPEAKER_07 10:56

I don't know. I never watched it. I just heard. You don't need to watch that.

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Now I'm gonna send you a clip.

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I don't want to watch it. I just heard they weren't they eat each other's.

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If I had to see it, now you do.

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If you had to see it, you need to see it. Unfortunately, I need to see that. What was that? What was that website called? That was missed.

SPEAKER_05 11:16

What? Bloodshow.com?

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So I'd watch it. Yeah, that was gross.

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People getting beatheaded. Yeah, people getting murdered stuff.

SPEAKER_07 11:25

Websites that still do that. Isn't there like a app that has like where you can go in and watch like investigations of like bodies and stuff or something like that?

SPEAKER_05 11:35

I think that's like the only reason they made VPN. People are like, well, I don't want to know what I'm searching for.

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Like, isn't that what the dark web is for nowadays?

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Well that's why they have the VPN.

SPEAKER_06 11:44

We should do an episode over dark web. Like, I've I've seen like people what they bought off their. I've seen um this one guy bought shoes and they ended up being like a murderer shoes and it like I don't remember. I've kind of honestly wanted to do that.

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Yeah, we should be able to do that.

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Just buy a mystery box and open it on the campus. Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_07 12:00

I don't know. I know Selena Spooky Boo did it. We're just gonna she did it off the black market. She did a oh like a box opening thing. Yeah. Is that the stuff? That would be that would be fucking love her.

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I fucking love her. She is funny. That would I I how do you even do that? How do you buy off the web?

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I don't know, because I'm afraid to even look up the words black web on the web. Because as soon as I do that, I feel like I'm gonna be flagged for something. See, I I could do that.

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So I'm saying, like, you got freedoms, but they're not some things are still kind of restricted.

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We have to figure some things out because that would be interesting opening it on live. Yeah, we also want to start doing some live stuff soon. So we're yeah.

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Yeah, we're gonna start going live roast with the ghosts. Or roast of the ghosts.

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Yeah, or live with Veil of Echoes. Yes. We'll be fine.

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Yeah, I gotta look into that vibe web thing.

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We'll do it live.

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Yeah.

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This fucker's already.

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Yeah, he's called Herbert the Pervert for a reason. I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 13:02

I just kinda like Well, I mean, there's a person that lives out at Somerset that his nickname was Chester the Molester because he was on the second time.

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He'd always drive by in his creepy ass little light blue whatever car it was, and he'd honk because he used to have a crush on um Arlis.

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Oh.

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Yeah, John's uh mom.

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I like that name.

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He used to have a crush on her, and he'd always honk. He's the same guy who called the school one day and said it's a nice day to hurt little children. He was also the one. That's probably why Sean would be so fucked up. He would go over to his house and say he got candy from.

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He probably did.

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And now Sean Race in jail in jail for you know what's funny?

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I don't know if you remember him or not, but does the name Frank Fourchy from Comtree ring a bell? Was he the one with the eyeball? He was the one that he had the messed up jaw. Oh baby. Yes! He shot somebody the other day.

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Oh my god. That don't surprise me.

SPEAKER_07 14:07

Yep. He was always such a nice guy. He was so nice. And then I'm sitting there scrolling to the Facebook and shot a woman. I was like, what the fuck? And he killed her? No, he didn't kill her. Oh, he didn't kill her. Okay. No. But still. Apparently it was over their dog barking. The dog was barking. He kept telling it, and then sh I guess they got into it or something. And he he shot her and then he hid in the woods behind his house.

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We gonna find me here.

SPEAKER_06 14:39

Um, sir, that's usually the first place they will look, okay? Oh my gosh. Wow. You know, that don't surprise me. We need to do one over uh was that Vaughn Horseman. Oh god, yes. She was fucking nuts, man.

SPEAKER_07 14:56

Dude, she. I know. I I told everyone at work what I used to do, and how the one day she told me she was gonna use her knives and axes on me, and I told her to come down and do it. She came down. They're like, why would you do that?

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And I'm like, What about the bigger one? That guy walked in with the clown mask and started like we heard somebody yell.

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We were in the car and we heard somebody yell and like this we I came in walking with a clown mask, and my brother said. I was like, What were you doing in there when he came in? He's like, uh, I just sat there hoping that he wasn't gonna do anything.

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We didn't have a gun or something. The dude, because we saw him, he walked up. I know, I was like, uh put the mask on before he walked in, and they're like, and he just kind of walked in and said, because we heard him yell, and we're just like, what the fuck? And then as soon as your brother came in, we're like, what the fuck was going down in there?

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We're gonna like uh if you really want to get good stories, like paint work stories, you need to go work for a mental health facility. You will never run out of when my mom's stories.

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I'm gonna start playing a com tree. I'm gonna work.

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Oh my god.

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And uh heard Rock and Ronnie's.

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Black Clover. Black Clover. He said he He said he put to himself in once a year just to get evaluated or something. And then there was this poor guy.

SPEAKER_05 16:28

I don't know, he obviously had mental like Yeah, he couldn't he made he just walked around making a noise.

SPEAKER_06 16:35

That's yeah, to like obviously, and he would just scream randomly, and then there was this old man, he's like, Looks like there's gonna be a symphony tonight, and then I'm like, oh my god. And then my mom was making and rockin' Ronnie was making fun of these people, and yet they're sitting there in the same paper screw.

SPEAKER_07 16:53

I was wearing, I don't think your mom really needs to be making fun of these people, considering she's a part of those people sometimes. It's so funny.

SPEAKER_05 17:01

She makes random noises.

SPEAKER_07 17:02

I will say, those places are very entertaining. I just I just remember with Lizette von Horsmann her she how she would always start her conversation off with, don't like young people and I don't like men. And who did she always talk to?

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A young man.

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Who did she always fucking talk to? Me.

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Oh no.

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And you know what's funny? She was complete opposite at Walgreens. She'd be like, Did you get your kudos yay? I'm like, no.

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And she's like, I'll give you your kudos and every time she would start that conversation off. Hi, this is so-and-so. I don't like young young people and I don't like men. And I'm like, motherfucker, I'm fucking 18 working here, and you're talking to a young assistant.

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She ended up um killing someone.

SPEAKER_07 17:48

She killed her and her friend killed an elderly man in Florida back in the 90s and stunk uh stuck him in a trunk.

SPEAKER_05 17:57

Can we interview her?

SPEAKER_07 18:00

She is in a mental asylum locked up for the rest of her life.

SPEAKER_05 18:03

I'm sorry, but that's that's not a no.

SPEAKER_07 18:05

No.

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But that's like, hey lady. Oh god.

SPEAKER_07 18:08

That's where she's at. Because um that's where she's at. She attacked the BP gas station in the middle of town. Within with a machete.

SPEAKER_05 18:21

I think I remember that.

SPEAKER_07 18:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 18:24

I think I remember the machete lady.

SPEAKER_07 18:26

That was her because she told me she was gonna come down, use her knives and axes on me because she was not allowed to own guns because she was a criminal, and I told her go ahead. And she came down, but she didn't have any knives or axes with her. She just sat out on the retaining wall out front, the Keaton center. Oh, I found the whole video of her attacking the BP gas station. I showed it the other day. I showed it the other day. I was like, yeah, this is what I used to deal with.

SPEAKER_06 18:54

I know, but again, I just think it's so funny because she was all so nice and everything and walking.

SPEAKER_07 19:00

Just like Ashley Parmeley. Oh fuck. Yeah, that's Yeah, she got a fucking slap on the wrist.

SPEAKER_05 19:07

Isn't she is she free or is she in a nut house or something?

SPEAKER_07 19:11

She's in a nuthouse, but she she got she got a slap on the wrist. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_05 19:16

Obviously.

SPEAKER_07 19:17

I don't fucking care if you're gonna sit there and say, Oh, the demons told me to do it. You killed your kids. I'm not lying. You deserve to go to death penalty. You deserve the death penalty if you hurt a fucking child.

SPEAKER_06 19:30

She's her own like didn't she drown one her two-year-old and shot the other one? No, she shot seven.

SPEAKER_07 19:38

She was she seven or eleven? Um, and the other one was two. She drowned the two-year-old.

SPEAKER_06 19:46

I remember she shot the nine-year-old first. Yes. And then she tried doing something to the two-year-old, but then noticed he was still alive, and then she took him because I gotta stop.

SPEAKER_05 19:55

I gotta stop. I thought that was like right around Lane's second birthday or something. That's why I remember it so well.

SPEAKER_06 20:01

I couldn't. What the fuck? I'm gonna kill, I'll fucking strangle her myself.

SPEAKER_05 20:05

It wasn't too long after that we found out you're pregnant with Jensen, and then that shit was going down.

SPEAKER_06 20:10

Oh, that's awful.

SPEAKER_07 20:12

She is a piece of shit.

SPEAKER_05 20:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:15

And that Tanner Horner fucker. He got the fucking death penalty.

SPEAKER_07 20:20

That motherfucker is so fucking happy.

SPEAKER_06 20:22

I am so I am too, but again, I wish I wish they would torture them or something. I just feel like he's getting what? Injection?

SPEAKER_07 20:31

Yeah, lethal injection. It's gonna be, you know, another ten years from now before he's gonna probably end up being executed, which is stupid.

SPEAKER_05 20:40

It's already been long enough. Like, what else? What other evidence do you need?

SPEAKER_06 20:44

That guy is so gross.

SPEAKER_05 20:45

Everything was right there, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_06 20:47

And did you see the video too? Like the few days, no, like a few days after that fact. He I he was uh I think uh there was like an eight-year-old girl he was trying like to get he brought food for her dogs or something and was putting it out, and then I don't know.

SPEAKER_07 21:01

I well, and I don't know how true that is, I'm sure it's true because I love how people are defending him by saying, Well, he had a mental illness. This isn't there are people defending him, and I'm like, if you're gonna defend him, you deserve it too.

SPEAKER_05 21:13

There's people always defending psychopath killers, like there's no defense. They all deserve to be put to death. They did what they did.

SPEAKER_07 21:19

Like what I've said about Jeffrey Dahmer, yes. Did he did he finally find God and did he say, you know, what he did was wrong? Yes. And he deserved to die for what he did. He killed people.

SPEAKER_06 21:36

If you kill somebody, intentionally by a black guy. I'm gonna take that out.

SPEAKER_07 21:43

Well, yeah, I mean, he got his head bashed in. The fucker deserved it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I felt for him a little bit more because he did say, you know, I've been telling people this is where I needed to be, this is where I needed to be, but nobody would actually sit and listen to me. Whereas Again, like John Wayne Gacy. Kiss my ass. Yeah, you deserve to die, you stupid fuck. You fat fuck. If it wasn't gonna be lethal injection, eventually a heart attack was gonna get your fucking claw gun blow.

SPEAKER_06 22:13

Get me a lot go get me started. David Parker could die of a fucking heart attack. I just I have a- And you know what? I'm sorry. I'm just gonna go off real quick. He never got he only went to jail for being caught uh with the girl that was skinny.

SPEAKER_05 22:29

Not the murders that because they had no real evidence.

SPEAKER_06 22:32

But still, are you talking about it?

SPEAKER_05 22:34

You had enough evidence to know that something was going down.

SPEAKER_06 22:37

He was mad because he didn't get his what is it, 30th or 50th?

SPEAKER_05 22:40

I think it was yeah, I think he was right at 49.

SPEAKER_06 22:42

Tipendy was 30. Yep. I can't keep up with it. These guys are all messed up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:49

It's kind of like, you know, my mom and my dad tell me all the time, don't don't talk like that. Don't don't talk like that. But like right now, like what talk like what? Talk like, you know, they deserve to die. I'm like, oh no. They do deserve to die. So, well, like right now, our neighbor, she drives a blue jeep compass and she flies up and down our road. I mean bad. Yeah. We have kids that play on that road. Yeah. I walk my dog up and down the road. Mm-hmm. Well, somebody made a post about her on Facebook again, that she was flying up and down these roads. And I told my mom and dad, I said, I I swear to god, if she hits my dog, I'm gonna fucking kill her.

SPEAKER_06 23:35

Well, that's what happened to poor Loki and Panthro. People I will straight I will fucking Dominic Shake. She was pregnant.

SPEAKER_05 23:42

Monroe. Monroe. What happened to Mon Shake?

SPEAKER_06 23:44

She just disappeared. Yes, Mon Mon.

SPEAKER_07 23:47

I I know she just disappeared. The fuck. I will beat you to the brink of death if you hit my dog. Oh yeah. And I hope she listens to the podcast so that she knows her neighbor will beat the little the ever living fucking.

SPEAKER_06 24:00

Well, that's common sense. I just watched this poor old guy a video. What was his I don't even remember his name? People do need to see the club. He was a Cubs. A huge Cubs fan. And he was over there um visiting to watch the game or whatever. And they caught on camera this guy just flying. Hit him, and you see the poor it was blurred out, but you've seen his body just but he died.

SPEAKER_05 24:24

Well, that's what I told you this morning I learned about that guy I went to school with. He just got eight months sober. So on his way home from work last night on his bicycle and got hit and killed.

SPEAKER_07 24:34

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 24:35

He was 34. I was like, I just turned fucking 34. Dude's only like maybe a half year older than I am.

SPEAKER_07 24:40

Was that here in Future?

SPEAKER_05 24:42

Yeah, he was from uh Guthrie. I think he was living in Oklahoma City or something.

SPEAKER_06 24:46

It was going on with your day, you know.

SPEAKER_05 24:48

He was just going home from work. Like his son, like 12, 13 years old. Looks just like him. It is sad because a dude is.

SPEAKER_06 24:58

I don't know why that reminded me of it. People not paying attention. I know we keep talking about the stupid by the stupid bitch. We used to have the cobalt. I don't know if Oh my god. I remember the cobalt. And that stupid bitch at like three in the morning, all of a sudden she our car was parked out front. Like it was. I remember that. She just ran right into it. And I'm glad the curb was there. She could have probably or the car was there because she would have probably flew in the house through the house.

SPEAKER_05 25:24

I think the Mustang was parked in front of the cobalt because.

SPEAKER_06 25:27

I didn't have the Mustang yet.

SPEAKER_05 25:28

Then what was parked in front? Something was parked in front of the cobalt because I had the Colorado in the driveway.

SPEAKER_06 25:32

I don't think anything was parked in front of the cobalt.

SPEAKER_07 25:35

I'll have to look at the pictures because you guys got the Mustang after the cobalt, didn't you? Yeah. Yep. Right?

SPEAKER_05 25:42

Because the only reason we even started had to get the Mustang is because that car went down and then my fucking No maybe I did have the Mustang, because we had it since 2017.

SPEAKER_06 25:50

Or the Cobalt. I don't know. Anyways, the dumb bitch wasn't paying attention. And then she was trying to what was she briming us with.

SPEAKER_05 25:57

She's trying to give tattoos and piercings so we wouldn't have.

SPEAKER_06 26:10

Remember? I don't know. Anyway, she was like don't call I'll give you some free tattoos and stuff. You don't call the cops. And then it turns out the cops came and she didn't have insurance. And then apparently she didn't she did it to say if she hit someone else's colour. I think she was drinking too.

SPEAKER_05 26:32

Yeah, it's like her third DUI. I think her license is already suspended and she didn't have insurance, and it's like that's not my problem. For one. Dumbass. If you're that drunk and you can't drive, you're probably gonna be fucked up, and I don't want my tattoos that fucked up.

unknown 26:47

Sorry, yeah.

SPEAKER_07 26:47

Not to mention you're gonna have to give me like a whole back session, including like my legs, to pay for what my you just did to my car.

SPEAKER_05 26:56

They completely totally cobalt.

SPEAKER_07 26:58

Yeah, they did.

SPEAKER_05 27:00

There's some stuff that was bad, but the worst part was the body damage. Like that would have cost some money, but everything else we could have parted out and got fixed probably six, seven months.

SPEAKER_06 27:09

I would have probably still had it.

SPEAKER_05 27:10

I guess it was one of the best cars we've drove. Like, we've taken that thing everywhere. It's been to Oklahoma and back a time or two.

SPEAKER_06 27:16

That was my first car purchase from D.

SPEAKER_05 27:18

I mean the journey's probably been our fucking Florida, Kentucky.

SPEAKER_07 27:22

Mine was my cruise when I had it. Yeah. I fucking loved that car. That's what replaced the cobalt was the cruise. Oh, you had a cob Did you have what kind do you have? No, no, that's like in like Chevy. Oh, they went from the Cavalier. That's right.

SPEAKER_06 27:38

Then to the so like kind of um.

SPEAKER_07 27:40

It went from the cavalier loose to the cobalt to the cruise.

SPEAKER_06 27:45

Anyways. He was known to play with dead animals, to act out in ways that made others uncomfortable, not just as a phase, but as something that lingered. Something that didn't correct itself.

SPEAKER_05 28:01

And then became concerning enough that his father intervened. He was evaluated, tested, observed, and eventually diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia and antisocial personality disorder. But even with that diagnosis, there wasn't long-term treatment. No consistent intervention that followed him into adulthood.

SPEAKER_06 28:29

So there you go. He was not taking medic yeah, no treatment medication with schizophrenia and antisocial personality disorder. I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_05 28:39

So he's pretty much just a loose canon.

SPEAKER_06 28:41

Yes.

SPEAKER_07 28:42

Exactly. And that's an important piece. Because a diagnosis on its own doesn't define someone, but untreated patterns, especially ones that involve detachment, control, or lack of empathy, can grow quietly, but over time.

SPEAKER_06 29:03

As he moved into adulthood, his life didn't follow a clear path. He attended college, left, and returned. And eventually drifted through a series of jobs. And throughout that time, there were still two sides to him. On one side, he was described as hardworking, capable, but someone who could function in everyday life.

SPEAKER_05 29:29

But on the other, there were moments that didn't align with that image. Behavior that felt off. Unpredictable. Difficult to explain. But hard to ignore. Once noticed.

SPEAKER_07 29:46

In that duality, the split between what people see and what's actually there becomes a pattern we see in a lot of cases like this. A person who can exist in both worlds without immediately being questioned.

SPEAKER_06 30:01

In 1971, he got married to Juliana Seder. Together, they had three children, built a family, created a life that from the outside looked complete. But inside that marriage, there were signs of distance, disconnection, and a relationship that didn't function the way most do. So um Julie, Juliana, we should go by Julie, his wife, said that um they had been sexually intimate only six times in over 25 years of marriage. And that she never saw her husband naked. Sorry. That's just one of those dreams.

SPEAKER_05 30:48

Six times in 25 years, that's every woman's dream.

SPEAKER_06 30:51

So yeah. That's just yeah. Hmm. Why? I don't know. That's just one of their what you didn't have any kids? They did have kids. Yeah, three. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 31:11

Damn, so out of the six times they got three kids. So you got the 50-50.

SPEAKER_03 31:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:18

That's actually.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

Half the times they did it, they had children.

SPEAKER_06 31:25

Ew, I just want to know, like, I mean, I don't want to picture it. Like, you don't know what he looks like maybe. No, no, no, no. I'm just curious, like, how did that work? Was he just like, alright, let's do go on. 25 years?

SPEAKER_05 31:39

25 divided by that's like once every five and a half years.

SPEAKER_06 31:43

Well, yes, but I'm just like, she never saw him nude. So, like, I don't know.

unknown 31:48

Weird.

SPEAKER_05 31:49

Damn.

SPEAKER_06 31:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_05 31:52

They have different bedrooms? Uh, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_06 31:55

I don't know, but I'm curious.

SPEAKER_05 31:57

I'm still curious.

SPEAKER_06 31:58

I want to know. They still have her managed to have kids, so he obviously took his pants off.

SPEAKER_07 32:04

And did he just unzip? Ew, come on. I don't want to see that. Oh god. Okay. Oh god.

SPEAKER_06 32:12

Probably just pulled her right out and that poor lady, but she's staying with him for 25 years. Well, did he ever see her naked or just says he never says nude, it says.

SPEAKER_03 32:28

Well, I don't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 32:33

Yeah. I don't know. But that was one of those notes.

SPEAKER_05 32:37

So yeah, that's why I mean to each their own, but six times in 25 years, like holy shit.

SPEAKER_07 32:44

Yeah. And sometimes those kinds of details don't stand out at the time. They just feel like something is off. Not enough to fully explain, but enough to stay with you.

SPEAKER_05 33:02

By the late 1980s, his life shifted again. This time toward success. He founded a chain of thrift stores called Save a Lot. And financially things started to work.

SPEAKER_06 33:18

So like Save a Lot as in the store. So thrift stores.

SPEAKER_05 33:22

Yeah, because the Save a Lot, the grocery stores, actual save, S-A-V-S.

SPEAKER_06 33:25

Okay, okay. Cause when I when I saw that, I'm like, wait a minute, but Save a Lot's not a thrift store, though.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

Grocery store. Alright. Kind of thrifty store.

SPEAKER_06 33:34

I was gonna say like they're still open. I would not.

SPEAKER_07 33:37

It's questionable if you're thrifting at a grocery store.

SPEAKER_05 33:40

That grocery store is a little thrifty.

SPEAKER_06 33:42

Well, that's when I was like, and people are still shopping at a cereal killer's founded.

SPEAKER_05 33:48

Anywhere I find my sister's thrifty. Anywhere she shops, I avoid. I don't give a fuck what that place is. She walks up in Sam's Club. I ain't going to Sam's Club no more.

SPEAKER_06 34:03

What? She can't go to Ford Sam's. I shouldn't say that. That's messed up.

SPEAKER_05 34:07

You ain't lying though, but that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 34:09

I don't think she's ever set foot into a Sam's Club.

SPEAKER_05 34:12

She where that. I don't fucking know.

SPEAKER_06 34:16

Alright. Alright. Let's move on.

SPEAKER_05 34:20

Chester's like, I'm trying to sleep here.

SPEAKER_01 34:22

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_05 34:24

The business grew. He made money. Built something stable on the surface.

SPEAKER_06 34:32

And with that success came the ability to choose something bigger. Something more private. More removed. And in 1988, Herb Baumeister purchased a property just outside of Indianapolis. 18 acres. Surrounded by woods. A place where from the outside, everything still looked normal. But it was also the place where everything would eventually be found.

SPEAKER_05 35:03

Not right away.

SPEAKER_06 35:05

Not all at once. But piece by piece. By the early 1990s, while Erb was living a life that looked stable on the outside, there was another version of him. Moving through a completely different world. One that didn't intersect with his family, his business, or the life people thought they knew.

SPEAKER_05 35:29

In Indianapolis, there were a number of gay bars that became central gathering places. Spaces where people went to meet. To connect, to feel safe.

SPEAKER_07 35:42

And for many of the men who would later go missing, uh those places were part of their normal routine. It's always the gay bars.

SPEAKER_05 35:54

Jeffrey's lucky didn't run into Herb.

SPEAKER_06 36:00

That would have been mess that that would have been fucked up, can you imagine? It would have. Yeah. Jeffrey goes sees Herb and then try to take him. Well, he liked black men though. But still. Tried to take Herb home, and then Herb's like, alright, and then they kidding me.

SPEAKER_05 36:19

Oh, there's my new horror movie. That's actually Dahmer versus Burmeister.

SPEAKER_06 36:25

Like, how would that even end? Who would win?

SPEAKER_05 36:29

Jeffrey. Dahmer wasn't in Indiana, though, was he?

SPEAKER_06 36:32

He was in Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_05 36:33

Not too far away. Who else was in Wisconsin? Edge. Where was Casey was in Chicago?

SPEAKER_06 36:40

Casey was Chicago. Ed Kimber was California. Albert Fish.

SPEAKER_05 36:45

That's a fuck. We could spend a year just doing California.

SPEAKER_06 36:47

Where was Albert Fish? Why can't I not think where he was right now? What the hell?

SPEAKER_05 36:52

He kind of spread around. He did. I know he was in St. Louis at one point. Yeah, he had a main spot, I'm pretty sure.

SPEAKER_06 36:58

It was the um they called him the werewolf of wisteria. It was Yeah, Wisteria. Wisteria. Where the f hold on. Wow.

SPEAKER_05 37:06

Wherever he was the place where he was caught in.

SPEAKER_07 37:08

Willie Picton was Canada. Washington, DC. He was born in Washington, DC in 1870. Where'd he die?

SPEAKER_05 37:15

Yeah, because I thought wherever he was the girl, that last killing or whatever, is where he spent most of his time.

SPEAKER_06 37:21

Grace.

SPEAKER_05 37:22

Yeah, Grace.

SPEAKER_06 37:23

That's sad.

SPEAKER_05 37:25

I'm sorry, but.

SPEAKER_06 37:26

Or Billy Gaffney, that poor kid he left him there in the thing, but oh my god. New York is where he died. Okay. I thought it was in the um the Sing Zing. I thought it was in the That's right, in the eastern part, but I could uh yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_05 37:47

Yeah, that's not too far from we can see. Where'd Gacy live before Chicago? I thought he lived somewhere when he was accused of that boy at first and then he moved to where he Or did he live in Chicago already and just moved areas?

SPEAKER_06 38:03

He moved everywhere. I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 38:05

Because I remember Bundy hopped around, fish hopped around, but most of them, like Kemper kind of stayed around his area. Uh who else hopped around?

SPEAKER_07 38:16

Um John was from Chicago. So he was from Chicago. And he died in Statesville, Illinois.

SPEAKER_06 38:22

Okay, so Illinois. But I think he like went to different states though for his business, his contracting.

SPEAKER_05 38:29

That but I thought he was accused of uh sexually assaulting that boy.

SPEAKER_03 38:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:34

And then he moved to the where he died.

SPEAKER_03 38:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 38:38

And that's where he ended up doing all the other crimes. Because it was like a silent period from when he did whatever he did to that boy to the time.

SPEAKER_06 38:47

Well, that we're from what we went over. Yeah, I don't know. Something like that.

SPEAKER_05 38:54

It's fucked up. Just let people do what they want to do. As long as it's more like don't let him be fucking doing some Albert Fish shit.

SPEAKER_06 39:03

Men began disappearing, young, often in their twenties or thirties. Many of them last seen, leaving bars in the Indianapolis area. Some were reported missing, some weren't. At least not right away. And in many cases, their disappearances didn't immediately connect.

SPEAKER_05 39:26

But over time, a pattern started to form. Similar age, similar build, similar last known locations. And eventually similar causes of death. Strangulation.

SPEAKER_07 39:44

Which means these weren't isolated incidents. They were connected.

SPEAKER_06 39:53

Because around that same time, there was someone people remembered meeting. A man who introduced himself as Brian Smart.

SPEAKER_05 40:03

He was described as approachable, put together normal.

SPEAKER_07 40:10

Someone you wouldn't question right away. And someone you might even leave with.

SPEAKER_05 40:16

In 1994, one man came forward with an experience that changed everything. He said he had met Brian Smart at a bar. Accepted an invitation to go back to his house. At first, nothing seemed unusual. But then something shifted.

SPEAKER_06 40:40

Inside that house, the situation escalated.

SPEAKER_05 40:45

He described being nearly killed during an encounter that involved strangulation.

SPEAKER_07 40:51

And somehow he survived. He got out.

SPEAKER_02 40:55

But he didn't forget. Her Baumeister's sole survivor, who described being taken to a mansion with a pool, getting strangled with a hose.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_05 41:17

Later, he saw the same man again, followed him, wrote down his license plate. And that's when investigators were finally able to identify him.

SPEAKER_06 41:30

Her Baumeister.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

The informant didn't know his real name yet, but when he saw Baumeister at a bar again, he got bold.

SPEAKER_00 41:38

Got up on one of the tables at the bar and yelled out, This guy's a serial killer, somebody gets his license plate number. Of course, that uh traced back to Her Baumeister.

SPEAKER_06 41:50

Long before Foxtalo Farm was ever searched, there were already bodies being found. Not in one place, not connected by one scene, but scattered along stretches of interstate cemetery.

SPEAKER_05 42:06

Between 1980 and 1991, at least eleven young men and teenage boys were found across Indiana and Ohio.

SPEAKER_07 42:19

Left in ditches, near streams, and rural areas, just far enough away to go unnoticed for a little while.

SPEAKER_06 42:29

Many of them found partially clothed, or not clothed at all. And almost all of them had been strangled. In 1980, a 15-year-old boy, Michael Sean Petrie, was found in Hamilton County. He had been last seen getting into a car with a stranger.

SPEAKER_05 42:50

In 1982, another young victim, Delvoid Lee Baker, was last seen climbing into a vehicle driven by an unknown man before his body was found near a river.

SPEAKER_07 43:04

Others followed, different names, different lives. Michael Riley, Eric Rotker, James Robbins, Stephen Elliot, Clay Boatman, Thomas Cliffinger, Otto Becker, each one a separate case.

SPEAKER_05 43:29

Because when investigators started looking closer, they began to see similarities. Many of the victims had been in the same areas around the same bars. In the same part of Indianapolis before they disappeared.

SPEAKER_07 43:47

Which meant that whoever was responsible wasn't choosing at random. He was finding them in places where they felt safe.

SPEAKER_05 43:57

And taking them somewhere. Else.

SPEAKER_06 44:01

Somewhere isolated. And for years, this pattern continued.

SPEAKER_05 44:07

The case became known as the I-70 Strangler.

SPEAKER_06 44:13

But it was never officially solved. Until investigators started noticing something else. Something that didn't fit with the timeline.

SPEAKER_05 44:23

The bodies stopped appearing around 1991.

SPEAKER_06 44:30

The same time Erb Baumeister purchased Fox Hollow Farm. And suddenly, the question wasn't just who was responsible. It was where had they gone.

SPEAKER_07 44:44

By the early 1990s, investigators were already looking into the disappearances of men in the Indianapolis area.

SPEAKER_05 44:53

And now they had a name. And he refused.

SPEAKER_06 45:06

So did his wife. And for a while, that's where it stopped. No search, no answers.

SPEAKER_05 45:15

But for investigators, this wasn't just about one man.

SPEAKER_07 45:20

Or even one group of disappearances. Because for years, bodies had been found along Interstate 70. Men strangled, left in rural areas, across Indiana and Ohio. The case became known as the I-70 Strangler. And for a long time, no one knew who was responsible. It remained unsolved, a pattern without a name. But investigators would later note something they couldn't ignore. Those bodies stopped appearing around the time Herb Brewmeister purchased Fox Hollow Farm. Which raised a question no one could answer yet. Did it stop?

SPEAKER_06 46:11

Or did it just move? Because suddenly this wasn't just about a house or one series of disappearances. It was something that may have been happening for years. Long before anyone ever thought to look at it.

SPEAKER_05 46:30

Fox Hollow Farm sat on eighteen acres of land just outside of Indianapolis. From the outside, it didn't look like anything unusual. A large home, surrounded by trees, set back far enough that you couldn't see much from the road. It was private. Quiet. The kind of place where you wouldn't expect anyone to be watching. And no one would hear if something went wrong. And that isolation is part of what made it so effective. Because everything that happened there stayed there.

SPEAKER_06 47:22

Inside the house there were things that didn't feel normal. Details that didn't make sense unless you were really paying attention. Rooms that felt staged, still too still. And then there were the mannequins.

SPEAKER_07 47:42

Not one, not two, multiple, placed throughout the home. Dressed, positioned, not hidden away like storage, but left out as part of the space. So eerie. Yeah, here, let me put fucking mannequins all along my head.

SPEAKER_06 48:00

Have you watched the um it was a movie with um Eli Elijah Wood?

SPEAKER_03 48:06

Elijah Wood.

SPEAKER_06 48:07

Thank you. Yeah. That mannequin movie.

SPEAKER_05 48:09

I think so.

SPEAKER_06 48:09

He was like a serial killer, but then he had like all kinds of mannequins. Oh yeah. Yeah, it was creepy. It's what reminds me of. Like they belong there. Like they weren't meant to be seen.

SPEAKER_05 48:24

Visitors later described them as unsettling. Not because of what they were, but because how they were placed.

SPEAKER_07 48:34

Facing certain directions, standing in ways that felt intentional. Like they were watching.

SPEAKER_06 48:42

In 1994, something happened that should have changed everything. Bob Meister's young son was playing in the woods behind the house. And while he was out there, he found something. A human skull.

SPEAKER_05 48:59

Partially buried.

SPEAKER_07 49:02

Not hidden well enough to stay hidden forever.

SPEAKER_06 49:05

And when his family asked about it, Baummeister gave an explanation. He told them it belonged to his father, a medical skeleton he had stored, and later buried.

SPEAKER_05 49:20

And for a time, that explanation helped.

SPEAKER_07 49:25

Because it was easier to believe that than to question what it actually meant.

SPEAKER_06 49:33

Like, oh, what do I say if someone found these? And I mean that does dad was it does unfortunately fit that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

So.

SPEAKER_05 49:43

But still, like, why would you bury it? Yeah, you could have just donated it.

SPEAKER_07 49:48

Yeah. Could have just been like, oh yeah, that was, you know.

unknown 49:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 49:53

But over time, things started to change. His behavior became more erratic, more unpredictable.

SPEAKER_05 50:01

Enough that his wife became concerned.

SPEAKER_07 50:04

Concerned enough to take a step back. And eventually to leave.

SPEAKER_06 50:12

And in 1996, after filing for a divorce, she made a decision that would change everything. What are you laughing at?

SPEAKER_05 50:20

That part, that's funny.

SPEAKER_06 50:22

What?

SPEAKER_05 50:22

She gave investigators permission to search the property.

SPEAKER_06 50:26

Well, she should have anyway. That's very good. She should have put the fucking property.

SPEAKER_05 50:32

I can't. It's like here's one last fuck you herb.

SPEAKER_06 50:36

I mean, yeah, that's good good. Glad she did.

SPEAKER_05 50:40

But yeah, I was like, well.

SPEAKER_06 50:41

No.

SPEAKER_05 50:42

Perfect timing. After 25 years, you know.

SPEAKER_06 50:45

But then it makes you like she finally gave permission. Like, was he like saying something to her not to tell him originally?

SPEAKER_04 50:50

You want to become one of these cult?

SPEAKER_07 50:53

That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 50:54

String on him around the tree.

SPEAKER_07 50:56

Ew, that's probably how he talks. That's how he looks.

SPEAKER_04 51:02

I'm gonna piss on you. I'm gonna get down there and lick my own piss off the ground. How do you like that, bitch? Tell the cops.

SPEAKER_06 51:16

Oh, it's too old.

SPEAKER_03 51:21

Oh piss her.

SPEAKER_05 51:26

She gave investigators permission to search the property.

SPEAKER_06 51:30

At the time, Herb wasn't there. He was out of town.

SPEAKER_05 51:35

Which meant, for the first time, investigators could walk the property without him there.

SPEAKER_07 51:42

It's even better. Fucking dumbass. Without explanation, without interference.

SPEAKER_06 51:51

And it didn't take long. Because once they started looking, they didn't just find one set of remains.

SPEAKER_05 51:59

They found fragments.

SPEAKER_06 52:01

Then more. Bone after bone. Scattered throughout the woods.

SPEAKER_05 52:07

Burned. Crushed. Fuck that cat don't sound happy.

SPEAKER_06 52:19

Chester. He just in the vent.

SPEAKER_05 52:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 52:25

He usually makes that sound when he has something in his mouth. He's like bringing us gifts. I don't know. He's a weird ass cat. Sometimes we'll wake up, open the bedroom door, and there'll be piles of diapers. Like Mattie tie out a box. He used to have a He used to take my underwear. Just have them through the house.

SPEAKER_05 52:45

You just walk out there and just pile a panties. You're like, what the fuck's going on out here? And turn to paperwork. I'm like, dude, it looks like a tornado hit the kitchen last night because you're dragging everything everywhere. I'm glad he stopped with the socks and underwear. That was annoying. It was just Well, and he didn't care. He just picked. He just grabbed him from a pile, so you never know. You're just like, alright, here we go.

SPEAKER_07 53:14

Luna's really bad about getting her socks and underwear. Like, what?

SPEAKER_05 53:20

I was listening to Oh god. It was either Bad Friends or Tiger Belly and Bobby Lee that they're exes now, but she was said something about one of the dogs they had. That used to like tear up her underwear because she uh she don't believe in like pads and tampons.

SPEAKER_06 53:36

Oh god.

SPEAKER_05 53:36

So she said she's a free bleeder.

SPEAKER_06 53:38

Oh no.

SPEAKER_05 53:39

And uh her and her I guess her her and her and her knees both are like uh free bleeders or whatnot. So the dog would tear up their dirty panties.

SPEAKER_07 53:51

Can you just walk around the fucking fucking blood skinnies all over your goddamn cry?

SPEAKER_05 53:55

Oh, listen to this. Instead of having tampons and pads, she just like she said she just like changes her underwear and showers. I'm like, so you're showering multiple times a day and changing your underwear.

SPEAKER_07 54:06

It's gotta be at least showering five, six, seven times a day. Is it just like part of their culture, I guess?

SPEAKER_05 54:14

I get something. I don't care how Bobby and Andrew just try to defend her. She's dirty. That's disgusting. Like, that's nasty. Like every time I hear their like tiger belly, she describes like her whole life.

SPEAKER_07 54:24

I'm like not buried in one place. Spread out. As if they were meant to disappear.

SPEAKER_06 54:36

And veterans making his appearance again.

SPEAKER_05 54:46

So that's what that noise was a warning you're on your way.

SPEAKER_07 54:50

Was that you telling us you're coming down? Okay. Oh my gosh. As if they were meant to disappear. Investigators would eventually recover thousands of human bone fragments belonging to multiple victims.

SPEAKER_05 55:15

You're loud, buddy.

SPEAKER_07 55:17

Chester. And even then, that wasn't all of them.

SPEAKER_05 55:26

Some still haven't been identified. And some may still be there. Because what they uncovered at Fox Hollow Farm wasn't just evidence of a crime. It was evidence of lives. People who had names. Stories. For many of them, this was the first time they were finally being found. So sad. It is, because what the fuck? Just because you were a closeted homosexual, you're alluring these guys to their death. Like own up to your shit. Be a man.

SPEAKER_06 56:07

Exactly. On June 24, 1996, investigators began recovering what had been left behind at Foxthollow Farm. Not one victim, not one burial, but fragments. Human bone fragments, belonging to at least eleven individuals, were found scattered throughout the wooded areas of the property. And even in those early days, it was clear. Because what they were finding weren't full remains. It was pieces. Burned, broken, separated in a way that identification made it incredibly difficult. As the search continued, so did the discoveries. Not just more victims, but more fragments.

SPEAKER_05 57:06

Today, nearly ten thousand individual bone fragments have been recovered from Fox Hollow Farm.

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From an unknown number of people.

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Which means even now, we don't even know how many lives were taken there.

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And despite decades of work, only some of those victims have been identified.

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Others are still waiting. John Lee, also known as Johnny Bear, twenty-three years old. Jeffrey Allen Jones, thirty one, Richard Douglas Hamilton Jr. twenty.

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Alan Lee Livingston, twenty-seven, missing in nineteen ninety-three, and not identified until twenty twenty three.

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Daniel Thomas Holleran just twenty-one or twenty-two identified decades later through forensic genetic genealogy. Stephen Sperlin Hale twenty-eight Alan Wayne Brussard twenty-eight Roger Alan Goodlet thirty-three Michael Frederick Kiern forty five Manuel Rosendez thirty-four.

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Last seen at a bar and identified years later in 2024.

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And even with those names, there are still others. Remains believed to belong to victims that have not yet been identified.

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And investigators believe there may be more.

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In 2022, a new search of the property identified additional locations where remains still may be buried.

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Which means this story isn't finished.

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Today, the Hamilton County Coroner's Office continues to ask for help, encouraging anyone with missing loved ones from that time period to submit DNA.

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In the hope that more names can be returned.

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Because every fragment belongs to someone.

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Jerry Williams Cormier, thirty-four years old.

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Last seen in Indianapolis in nineteen ninety-five.

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His car was later found abandoned, but his remains were never recovered, and his case remains unsolved. And this is what makes Fox Hollow Farm different. Because this story doesn't have a clear number.

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When there are still people who haven't been identified, how do you even begin to measure something like that?

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It's too hard to. And of course the stupid pussy ass took his life. So now we don't know anything.

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Yeah, because you can only assume that everyone that was missing from that area with that situation who may have been a closeted homosexual or have been out has been killed by this guy.

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It's just sad because don't like well with all these cases, there's still a few John Wayne Gacy's that's still in like John Doe's and stuff. Like it's just sad. Like they had lives and they don't it's just like they never existed.

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Yep. Fucking pussy ass bitches.

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Uh-huh.

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During that search, investigators uncovered the remains of multiple men, at least eleven victims. For the first time, they had enough to move forward. A warrant was issued for her Baummeister's arrest.

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But by the time the warrant was issued, he was already gone. He fled the country, traveling to Ontario, Canada, alone.

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In July of 1996, inside Pinary Providential Park, on the edge of Lake Huron, where Baumeister ended his life.

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A single gunshot. A 357 Magnum.

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Okay, I'm not good with guns really, so is that what's a revolver? So, like, yeah, I knew that, but like a pretty good size hole. I was gonna say how big they left a pretty good hole in his head.

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He's saying.

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Jesus. See, I'm sorry, but why the fuck?

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We might get about that much clearance out of the back of his skull.

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This guy is such a pussy.

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I don't know, I mean, ending your own life pretty fucked up, but you should have to do it.

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Well, it reminds me of stupid Brian Laundry, pussy ass asshole.

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Yeah, because I mean Of course, that's the thing.

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So there's a 357 against a watermelon.

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Jesus.

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Yeah, and he put that up to his head. Oh my god. He said. So yeah, he is a bitch, but he pulled a pretty good gun to end his thoughts, clear his head a little bit.

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Fuck an idiot.

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He left behind a three-page suicide note.

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Reminds me of the episode of Friends when Rachel writes her letter to Ross. It's 18 pages!

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Front and back! Jesus. Again, it reminds me of Brian Laundrie, because that pussy ass left a suicide note.

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Or did he? Yeah. His parents just write something up to make it seem like he cared.

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Well, he's a pussy. No.

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He was fucked up and killed her and killed himself.

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Maybe Gabby Petito, that was sad too.

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He left behind a three-page suicide note. Written on yellow notepaper. In it, he talked about his failing business, his marriage, his life falling apart. But he never mentioned the victims.

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What a piece of shit.

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He never admitted to anything. Not the disappearances. Not the remains. Not Fox Hollow.

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What the fu- I'm sorry. What the hell?

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Like how could you bought the spot and then nothing was?

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Because clearly that's what you were getting caught, you pussy. That's why you killed yourself. But yet you're not gonna say anything. I hate people like that. Even like people on their deathbed, they still won't say.

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I'm like, dude, you're dying. Just fucking say it.

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Get it over with always the same, you know. I'm sorry about this, this, and this, and what about it?

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They're never sorry about the killings, they're always sorry about everything that went wrong with them. Everything that went wrong in their life is what they apologized to.

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We all go through shit, get over it.

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Jesus Christ. Yeah, I'm s that's wow.

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He wrote about his trip. Said he had planned to end his life somewhere else, but changed his mind after seeing children nearby.

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Are you serious? What I'm sorry, what? What? Oh, now you're gonna try to be show some sort of humanity in there? Really?

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I can't let these children see me kill myself even though I s killed multiple men between 18 and 45.

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I'm sorry, 18-year-old, you're still a child. I don't care if you're Well, what? One of them was fifteen. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What the fu yet you don't want to change Wow, I'm gonna go fuck yourself. No. But now you all of a sudden care really, no doubt. No, he don't care about what he did.

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No, they don't, yeah. He's just trying to have people have a little more sympathy for him. Like, good thing you're not gonna know if they're actually sympathetic.

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Right.

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They shouldn't be either. You did horrible shit, and there's nothing you can say that's gonna make up for it.

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This is why I went to school for psychology, trying to understand the human uh nope, I still don't. No, I don't know.

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I still gotta go through advanced psychology, so let's see how that goes.

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Yeah, I I don't I don't think you anyone ever will, obviously.

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No.

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No, it's just theories.

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Yeah.

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His final meal was a peanut butter sandwich. What did he mention? I guess he mentioned that in the side.

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Today I sat down and made myself a peanut butter sandwich.

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That was in his note, really.

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Later I'm gonna blow my heads out with this 44357. Hold on a second. I'm curious here.

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Chester.

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You disappear, come back, disappear, come back.

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Chester! He just he's so creepy looking. Just look at him.

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What the fuck?

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Yeah.

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Oof. He gives pedo vibes. Yeah.

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He looks like the sister's husband off of gemstones. I'm a gemstone too, Jesse. Slap my face. I'm a gemstone too, Daddy.

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Slap my face.

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What the f that's what I said. What the fuck's wrong with you?

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I love that show.

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He just looked at her like, what the fuck?

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I just love Walter Goggins. I know.

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He's funny.

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He's fucking funny, dude.

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What did he say? Have you watched gemstones? Not yet. Oh, it's please.

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Oh, when she farted and he said, uh-uh, you gotta go wash that now. It's so funny. Woman, did you just break when? Yeah, I'm sorry, you scared me. Uh-uh. You gotta go wash that now. I was like, fuck no.

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I'm surprised you have it has Adam Devine in it.

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It has dick way too many times.

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I knew John Goodman was a good one.

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It's so funny to watch it.

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Danny McGride just.

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Danny's such a good rider, though. Like all of his shows have been successful.

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Yeah, that's funny.

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Eastbound and Down, Vice Principles, that's also got Walter in it.

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Yeah. So Herb was 49 when he shot himself in the head. It says. Investigators found his car had been stripped clean and the carpeting had been removed. Oh yeah, that's not. But you're planning to kill Really What?

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Yeah, why not leave everything if you're already planning to kill yourself?

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Right.

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At least fucking be like, alright, here's where some stuff is.

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And then yeah, he left a suicide note, mentioned his failing marriage and business, but nothing about the missing men or the bones buried on his property.

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There was bones on my property? How'd they get there? That's what we were hoping you could tell us, Herb. I was just eating a peanut butter sandwich.

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He was a chicken shit. Someone's like, come called him chicken shit. For all the evil he perpetrated, Clark said in the end Birm Baumeister was a coward. Chicken shit is the word that comes to mind. A lot more than that. Yeah, yeah, the peanut butter sandwich part. Sorry, that just like why would you even who cares? I don't care what you fucking ate. You know?

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Yeah.

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Your final meal should have been that bullet.

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Yeah, exactly. Ordinary details in a story that was anything but. And just like that, it was over.

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No trial.

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No full confession. And no answers for how many victims there really were.

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Or whether the killings along Interstate 70 were his.

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Only suspicion. In a silence that he chose to leave behind.

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With everything that was found, the patterns, the timeline, and the way those killings stopped. Do you think Her Bobmeister was responsible for the I-70 killings? Or is that something we may never fully know?

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Oh, I s oh he was.

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Yeah, it's a little too uh coincidental that it all of a sudden stopped and the people were stopped being found and no one was being murdered on I-70 as soon as Fox Hollow was purchased at the end. Yeah, that's what we won. Dubai is yeah, just think of how there's some cemeteries that are real small that have quite a few fucking people buried in them that are family cemeteries, so 18 acres is plenty. And if you do it like John Lane Gacy, then um Oh my god.

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Yeah, even the what he said his name, like obviously it was him. Because he went to people and said he what Brian Smart was his name. Stupid. What the fuck?

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Brian Smart. Well, uh You wanna come with me and see my 18 acres?

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Ted Bundy used his real name.

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He was just fearless. He didn't.

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I still can't get over that.

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That's what I'm saying. They're like, he had a hot he was book smart. That doesn't mean he was smart. Right. Anybody could be book smart who studies books and likes to read.

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Yeah. But no, I agree. He definitely had he he was definitely.

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Yeah, because the coincidence is just too fine on the line. Like it stopped as soon as you got that property. Not it didn't stop, it moved.

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Yep.

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As soon as you got the property, you had somewhere to put them that wasn't so obvious where they couldn't just be found the next two days or three days.

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No.

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Some of them still are missing.

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And this is so sad.

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It is sad.

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Ooh, I hate people. Pussy. I can't believe I don't know. What was the point of a suicide? Before we close this story, we want to bring it back to where it should have always been. The people whose lives were taken.

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Because this was never just a case. It was never just a property.

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And it was never just one name.

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These were real people. Sons, friends. People who were living their lives before they were taken from them. John Lee Bear. Jeffrey Jones. Richard Hamilton.

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Alan Livingston. Danielle Halloran. Stephen Hale.

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Alan Broussard. Roger Goodlitch. Michael Kiern.

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And Emmanuel Rizendez.

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And even with those names, there are still others.

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People who haven't been identified yet.

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And people whose families may still be waiting for answers. And that's what makes this case very different. Because it isn't finished.

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And it may never be.

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But their lives still deserve to be remembered. And that is where we'll leave this story.

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A case that still doesn't have a complete ending.

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And one that even now is still being uncovered.

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Yeah, that's fun. I'm excited. And this Friday, we're stepping away from true crime and into something else.

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A legend that's been reported for decades.

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And seen by multiple people. And often appears right before something goes wrong. A figure, tall, dark, with glowing red eyes.

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Watching from a distance.

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Waiting. The Mothman. Until next time, keep your ears open.

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And the veil closed.