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The Midwest Mystic — A Conversation with Joe Diamond

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What happens when psychology, perception, intuition… and the unexplained begin to blur together?

In this special bonus episode of Veil of Echoes, we sit down with world record-holding mentalist and performer Joe Diamond — also known as The Midwest Mystic — for one of the most fascinating conversations we’ve had yet.

What started as a discussion about mentalism, observation, and human behavior quickly turned into moments we genuinely still can’t explain… including a moment where Joe somehow guessed a PIN code being thought of in real time.

Throughout the episode, we explore:
• Mentalism and psychological illusion
• The power of perception and suggestion
• Reading people and body language
• Performing live at haunted locations
• Maxwell Mansion and paranormal experiences
• The psychology behind belief and skepticism
• And the moments that left us completely speechless

Whether you believe it’s psychology, intuition, something paranormal… or something in between — this is an episode you’ll want to experience for yourself.

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Website: joediamondlive.com

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Beneath the ordinary world lies a veil, and behind it, the voices of the lost still whisper.

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We are your guides into the shadows, where true crime meets the paranormal.

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From chilling crimes to haunted histories, we uncover the stories that refuse to rest.

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This is Vale of Echoes.

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Welcome to Veil of Echoes, the podcast where true crime and the unexplained collide. Where some stories are buried in history and others never really leave.

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Each week we step into places, cases, and moments that continue to echo long after they should be over. But sometimes the strangest things aren't what's hiding in the dark. Sometimes they're sitting right in front of you. The things people notice, the things they shouldn't know. The moments that make you stop and wonder how much of yourself you're giving away without even realizing it.

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Because tonight, we're stepping into the unsettling world of perception, suggestion, and the strange feeling of being completely read by someone you've never met. We're your hosts, Um Lindsay. And I'm Bria. And tonight we're stepping into something a little different. Not a haunting, not a disappearance, and not a case file. But something that exists in that strange space between psychology, performance, and the unexplained.

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Because sometimes the most unsettling thing is realizing how easily the mind can be influenced, or how closely someone might be paying attention before you ever notice it happening.

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And tonight we're joined by Joe Diamond, also known as the Midwest Mystic, a world record-holding mentalist whose work blurs the line between psychology, intuition, and something much harder to explain. Joe, thank you so much for being here with us.

SPEAKER_05

Thank you so much for having me. And yeah, after a nice and uh spooky introduction like that, I feel a little bummed. I'm just uh just a Midwestern white guy. I mean, I guess that's still scary, technically, you know. Uh but uh but yeah, but I mean, absolutely, thank you for having me. And uh, I've been loving the show and I'm honored you asked me to come on.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, you're so sweet. We're excited. Um, so for anyone hearing about you for the first time, how do you usually explain what you do?

SPEAKER_05

Uh it's funny you say that because that is an ongoing, I don't even want to say struggle, just an ongoing uh uh part of my uh calling, basically. So uh so for anyone who hasn't heard of me, hi, I'm Joe Diamond. Uh I live in the Midwest, right between Chicago and Milwaukee. I like long walks on the beach, I'm a Sagittarius, and my whole life I've been extremely interested in the strange and unusual. And I do mind reading shows at the Maxwell Mansion in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, uh, which is one of the state's uh oldest uh haunted locations and most haunted locations. Uh and I perform there year-round. I'm gonna be there on Halloween night this year, uh, which is a Saturday, so I'm extra excited for that. Uh but uh but I also do, you know, my fair share of like, you know, corporate events and and private parties. And in those instances, it is more just focusing on, like you were talking about, the more, you know, mind-reading, fun, interactive stuff. But some of my shows, I really try to make them definitely not scary, because I think if you say you're gonna try and scare someone, that's like a big challenge. But I but I really do try to create uh immersive shows that do blur the line between reality and fiction. And I do try to make sure when I do research on a historical venue that I'm performing in, I get all my research correct. But I also want to make sure that what we do can't be fully explained, if that makes sense. Like I'm always looking to, again, like you said, kind of unsettle my audiences and uh have them, you know, be talking about it in the car ride home. Um that's the very long introduction. Uh the elevator pitch is basically what that my wife likes to use, is she says he's a kind of magician. Uh instead of pulling rabbits out of hats, he reads mine. So he stands on stage and tells people what card they're thinking of, or word, or person. And uh people tend to get that, but it is one of those things where you have to be a part of it or or experience it uh in order to kind of fully grasp it. And uh as a result, people have called me lots of different things over the years. The San Francisco Examiner called me an occult aficionado, uh, which was pretty good. Uh I've uh a couple years ago I won the award for America's greatest mind reader, and I uh was very honored by that. But I'll be honest, um, I think uh the other people in my profession, the psychic entertainment uh world, there are many heroes I look up to uh in this country and beyond, and I think they were robbed, but I'm still very honored. Uh so I feel, but I like Mystic. I feel like uh I feel Mystic kind of sums up everything I do from because there will be weeks where I'm doing nothing but giving card ratings, and then times I'm doing nothing but ticketed mind rating shows, and then there's times I'm going to uh, you know, just random corporate events in Chicago or Milwaukee or beyond, you know, flying out for something like that, and just being the after dinner entertainment before awards and making sure everyone has, you know, a good time. But at the same time, I want them to have that story of, oh my God, I can't believe he guessed what John was thinking of, or oh my god, John thought of that really obscure thing and he still got it, you know, all that stuff, and for them to talk about it later on. So just because what like I I I love this quote, and I forget who said it, and I think it's one of those quotes they attributed to a lot of different people, but they say art should disturb the comfortable and comfort the disturbed, and that's kind of what I like that. That's that's my quote, I guess.

SPEAKER_02

That's a good quote. I love that. That's awesome. Um, and then somewhere along the way, I know um that you also turn into a world record. So could you tell us a little bit about that? Sure.

SPEAKER_05

So I did it back in 2000, I'll say it was 2010, I became the world record holder for solving the world's largest corn maize, blindfolded. Uh, it's in Spring Grove, Illinois. It's span that year it spanned over uh 11.1 miles of trail across 33.8 acres. And the average time to get through it sighted is anywhere from three and a half to four and a half hours. And I got through it in two hours and 50 minutes with a local reporter with me every step of the way to verify it was all legit. Uh, she was holding on to my wrist. I was trying to get sense of the maze through her eyes and try to solve it all at the same time. And technically, even though yes, I was blindfolded and everything else, technically my record is for just solving the maze, period. No one else has gotten it um in that short a time, whether they were blindfolded or as far as I know, no one else has attempted it blindfolded. But uh, I don't think anyone's come in. Uh, granted, that was like the largest one they did, uh even up until now. I think they've all been as big or a little smaller. I don't think they've ever been bigger. And I don't think uh the last I checked in with them, because the the guy who uh owns the owns the farm and owns the maze, uh, he came to my show recently and he said, Yeah, no one's uh no one's gotten that. So technically, again, I I hate to like undercut this cool thing I did, but I I do there's gonna be people going, well, what about this? What about that? And oh, just keep your hand on the one side, and I want to point out like, no, no, like technically, even, you know, blindfolded or not, I've I've got the record for it. So I'm I'm really proud of that. That's amazing. And uh, and yeah, that uh I submitted it uh online and they they accepted it. Um and uh yeah, it's it's pretty cool that uh it's something that's is in you know the Midwest here and has a bit of uh as a bit of a uh interesting, you know, kind of uh I guess reputation too. There's lots of weird places. Like what one of the places I've performed my Halloween shows at was the Woodstock Opera House, which is uh famous from the movie Groundhog Day with Bill Murray. That town square was actually Woodstock, Illinois. It wasn't Punkstatawney, uh Pennsylvania. Uh it was Woodstock, Illinois. I was born there, and that tower he jumps out of is part of the opera house. Uh in the movie, they say it's like a hotel, but uh but it's a theater. Uh, and I've performed there as well. And that also has its own haunted history and such. So yeah, very weird, odd, specific claims to fame for different things here in the Midwest.

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That's awesome, though. That's really awesome. That is really cool. And it's what been 16 years now since that? Something like that, yeah.

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Yeah, and I I've thought about I've thought about trying to break my record. They've been trying to break their record for a bigger maze, so I'm kind of holding off. I'm hoping that they'll do like an like a substantially, like again, there'll be slightly less uh less mileage, but more acreage or less acreage, more miles. I'm waiting for it to be more of both uh to give it because they always do it in a different like pattern or design each year, too.

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Uh so yeah, it's really cool.

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Richardson farm. Uh so yeah, if you're coming through the Midwest in the fall season, it's definitely worth uh worth checking out. Um, I love that. So so yeah.

SPEAKER_02

We'll have to go. Well, we're from Missouri, so we're so we'll have to make a little road trip.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, uh, I went to this is a long time ago now, back in like 2013-14. Uh I went to the Haha Tonka castle out there um with that like mysteriously burned to the ground and stuff and uh got some cool footage there. It's it's buried on YouTube if anyone wants to dig it up on an old web series I did a million years ago.

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Oh, how fun. We'll be digging that up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm interested. That's awesome. So when did this start for you? Was there a moment where you realized this was something you could actually do?

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No. Uh it was always there. It uh uh the the the gag I say uh it started as a gag but became true. Uh you know, ministers often talk about being called to the ministry to be a pastor, missionary, or something. And in a very real sense, I feel like I was called to provide mystery for people. To um, and again, I've been obsessed with everything from you know more traditional magic to paranormal phenomena, ghost stories, uh, you know, psychology, all this kind of stuff. And it's kind of under the umbrella of all of it could be under the umbrella of magic in a sense, because some of it is more uh ritual magic or or you know, uh parapsychological or spiritual or metaphysical magic, magic with a K. And then there's you know theatrical magic, which you know is like, you know, pulling rabbits out of hats and sawing women in hats and all of that, which does have some interesting uh folklore and uh uh interesting deeper meanings we can get into, uh, because I'm fascinated with that kind of stuff as well. Uh but it also sums up Disney, it's the magic kingdom, you know, it's the most magical place on earth, all of that. So, and I love that. I love those kinds of feelings of uh again, like immersion of feeling like my one mentor, she did my tattoos, and she talked about magic being one of the few art forms that allows the audience to become the hero of their own story. And I I loved that, and that's very much so like all the shows I do, despite my name being on the poster and when you buy tickets and everything, the show is really not about me, it's about the audience. If uh like I grew up watching old Twilight Zone episodes and uh Elf Hitchcot Presents, those were on Nick at Night growing up, and I was the weird kid watching those, and I didn't process those were old shows, they were just on after eight o'clock. After eight o'clock, Nickelodeon became black and white, you know. I just figured, oh, those are the more grown-up shows. Uh, but I loved them and I loved you know murder mysteries and all that kind of stuff. So I wanted to give people that reaction when I started learning everything from you know playing card readings, cardamancy, which is like tarot but with playing cards, or palm reading, or uh, you know, telepathy, all this kind of stuff. It was a way to make those TV shows and books and everything I was reading real. I didn't see it as as that yet. But uh, but now when I'm working on like a show, I'm always thinking about like, okay, if this was an old Twilight Zone episode, we'd start with the audience member, maybe one person who is believes in this stuff, one person who doesn't. And they go in to see the psychic or the hypnotist or you know, the haunted mansion, and what happens to those characters in in that experience, and they leave transformed. And that's what I'm trying to get as close to providing as possible with uh with a lot of those things.

SPEAKER_01

That's awesome. Yeah, that's exciting. So there's also this whole reputation that you have for bending spoons.

SPEAKER_05

Yes.

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Where did that even begin?

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Uh, I was a I was a weird kid, like I said. I read about Uri Geller, I had some stuff happen while I was eating breakfast. Uh, there's lots of videos of me doing it online. There's lots of controversy about spoon bending, even recently, even recently, with uh with um there was a book that came out about the history of techniques and how to fake it. And there was like a New York Times article about it and everything, and like some like old school magicians were up in arms about it because it was like, well, they're saying, you know, that this can really happen. And it's like, well, it can. It's been documented. Uh, just because someone can forge the Mona Lisa doesn't mean a Mona Lisa doesn't exist, you know. Exactly. If anything, it makes it more valuable. Uh, and so yeah, so after, you know, decades, you know, 50, 60 years, it was it was controversial again. Uh, luckily, I'm I'm glad that I'm kind of outside that that national like microscope on it. Uh, because Uri Geller, uh the uh famous uh uh psychic in the 70s, and uh he calls himself a mystifier now, but he really popularized spoon bending in the 70s and telepathy and all these other, like really, you know, I'm just gonna say it out there claims. Um he's even been making some claims recently that I'll I'll fully admit, as much as he's my childhood hero, I don't fully agree with. Um uh we'll just leave it at that. Um, it's complicated. He he he's in Israel, so and that's where he lives, and that's where he's from, and that's where his museum is. So it's gonna be complicated right now in 2026. Uh all that said though, I I absolutely respect his uh his moment in in history and entertainment, in parapsychology, and all of that. And uh he admitted that I I bend spoons better than him. So I'm like, I will I will run with that. I will I will take that. Yes, please, thank you. Uh yeah, so it's uh and I'll I've done other uh I've bent other things too. Um I've done sometimes I'll do coins. I don't do it a lot just because it's very easy to just become like, oh, do this now, now do this now. And it's it's it's really draining, and like people don't mean to, they're just like fascinated by it and they wanna they wanna see it. So I try not to do it too much uh just because I want to make it more more special out of the when I have people coming back uh to see me in certain places or to come back and see the show. People have been bringing their own spoons now. In fact, I just put on my Instagram at Joe Diamond Live, someone brought a giant spoon like like a foot long uh and like super thick. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, that was theirs. That was theirs. I had never touched that spoon before, and you can see it looks it looks like the CGI effect from The Matrix. Um the line I say in my show is uh in 1999, that's about the age and time when I I I figured out uh how to do that. The line I say is those that seven seconds of CGI footage in 1999 cost $3.5 million. They should have just called me, I would have done it for half the price.

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Right 12.

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Um yeah, but there is some interesting stuff with uh when it comes to mind over matter with spoon bending and pendulums and the idiomotor response and and all of that stuff. And again, like I I I'm very careful to try to not throw the baby out with the bathwater on a lot of this stuff because there is like really good science that debunks a lot of stuff, but just because it just because I also don't I I will also say this too I don't feel like my work would hold up in a lab, like it's an art form, you know. That's the thing I say. Mine is an art, not a science. Um, I think that's one of the negatives of recent years because a lot of this stuff didn't just simply did not hold up in a lab, but also the love for your family probably wouldn't hold up in a lab under multiple experiments with multiple subjects. Like of course it would. Right. Uh your favorite sports team isn't gonna have, you know, hold up in a lab and all this stuff. And so I I I I don't think just because it doesn't hold up in a lab doesn't mean there's nothing I don't think that means there's nothing useful we can get out of it. I my big thing I try to like I I do try to include like, hey, here's how like when I work with pendulums and stuff, I'll talk about the Idiomotor response and what science does show for it, but there's still stuff that happens with a pendulum that I can't fully explain. And I kind of feel science I've read enough uh experiments and like research into it, they only go so far, and it's like okay, but what a like I've had too many weird things happen to me personally with them. Uh but again, I think that's that's the fun of this stuff. I mean, paranormal means outside of the normal. If you could explain it with science every time, it would just cease to be para and just be normal. So the fact that this stuff doesn't hold up in a lab to me just was like, yeah, that's because it's not normal.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and that's what we love.

SPEAKER_05

So yeah, exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01

So what are what are people's first reaction when they see it happen?

SPEAKER_05

Oh, I've had it all. I've had people laugh, I've had people scream, I've had people cry, I've been hit.

SPEAKER_03

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah. I I've had well the other thing too is there's it was actually that that same uh show um where I bent the giant spoon. The woman next to me in that video, it's her spoon that she brought it as you know, she was like, Oh, I just brought it as a gag, I didn't think you'd actually be able to do it. And I was like, well, like that's the thing. Like exactly the the joke I say in the show is like mind reading is the only art form where you're shocked it happens. Like you will buy your ticket, you will clear out your night, you go, and then I'll tell someone like an a pin code they just made up or something like that, and it's like, oh, he can really do it. That doesn't happen when you go see Taylor Swift, you know, huh, what do you know? You actually can play guitar. How about that? Oh, guitars exist. How about that? You know? Like it's like I told you what was gonna happen, but there's still a surprise that it does happen or that happens to you. And again, I think that's one of the one of the reasons why it's it's stayed as a pretty niche art form because you can film it, you can film other people's reaction to it and everything else. Uh, but it is one of those things where you do it is about being to me, it's not even about getting everything right, it's about interacting with the people. So when I've done stuff over, you know, over Zoom or over radio and that kind of stuff, even. Um, you know, to me, it's like, you know, I want that to still have that, have that connection. But yeah, but the the reactions too, I mean, some people, this one woman was like, I don't believe you. And I just want to be like, that's okay. We're not in church, you don't have to believe a single word I say. Like that's even my wife, she's more on the skeptic side. Um, she and I put this in my show, I told her when As she said, I'm making this a lie on my show. She said, To my face, you're not so much psychic, you're just a straight white guy with empathy. To be fair, that's a miracle. Right, right. 2026. Right, exactly. Uh so yeah, so I I'm not, and I think that's the other thing too. I'm I'm fairly skeptical. I'm I'm not uh and I make sure to be clear about what it is I'm doing, what I'm not doing. Like if someone asks me or tells me they think I'm talking with like their dead relative, like I'm not a medium. Uh I have friends who are mediums, uh, but and I've had some people go, so are you a medium and all that? And I make it very clear that I am not. I don't want them to uh come away thinking, you know, something. I don't want them to have bad information about how the world works, but I do want them to have uncertainty. I want them to have mystery, you know? Yes. And I think that's something our our society is is lacking now that we have a mystical device in our pockets that gives us an answer whenever we want it. Um, this thing that was supposed to bring us together is is kind of keeping us from connecting. So yeah, right. That is true. In fact, we don't even um we don't even allow pictures or video in uh in the ticketed shows anymore, just because like let's set them down, let's all be present for a moment. Let's let's let's just let's just connect. There was one show in Vegas I saw, and I I I don't want to go this far, but I thought it was interesting. They actually had you put your phones in a box uh before the show and close it. And they were like part of that, yeah. So it's like and they were at your table and everything, that's fine. But yeah, but it's like I I get it uh as a as a performer because you know it is something where uh there and there's a fine line between, oh, let's get this, let's get this on camera, you know. But also, like I did have my uh my hostess when that had that big spoon, I was like, Oh, get get get the camera for this. We're we're gonna do this real quick. Yeah, like come on, like that. That's something you can't pass up.

SPEAKER_02

That's an exception.

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Yeah, well, also she's doing it. Uh it's not because like the other thing too I'm worried about is if someone does react super strongly, like that person could be filming and not know that person. Maybe that person doesn't want to be on social media and all that, you know. Like the uh like the Coldplay couple last summer. Oh my yes. Like, like, you know, you never know. You know, I mean, they're you know, maybe maybe they're poly and they don't they haven't told their family and stuff, and they don't know it's their own business. So yeah, you're not wrong. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So I wanna I wanna be, you know, conscious of that too. But also there is something about just connecting. Again, like I'm glad like again, stuff like this, like podcasts and Zoom and everything, haven't been tainted the way the way our phones are. Like, we barely use our phones to make phone calls anymore. You know, like this right this we do use to connect more. You're connecting with me, I'm connecting with you. The people who listen to this podcast later are connecting with all of us. They're sending it to me. Like the whole point of this is that connection. Uh that's the way technology is supposed to to help with us. And there's too much of it that's uh that's not doing that. Uh right now. I know. Exactly. Um, so yeah, we gotta, we gotta, it's it's all about using, you know, we're learning how to use the tools properly, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I love that. I know I wish I could go back to the 90s sometimes, but Ket's a little bit, a little bit.

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That's uh, you know, I will say this. I I don't hate that if I ever have to like go back over to my dad's to mow the grass, I don't hate that uh my music doesn't skip and there's not a cord wrapped around and everything else, and my Lincoln Park CD isn't skipping every eight seconds, and I gotta stand still while it you know gets the anti-skip to go and then put it back in the cargo shorts and keep going and then pull the look mower this way and it pulls the headphones out. Like I'm I'm I'm grateful for all of that. That was rough. That was rough, but but yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Um yeah.

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I love that.

SPEAKER_02

That's fantastic. That is, that is. So when you're doing these mind reading experiments with someone, does it feel more like you're reading them or just noticing things most people miss?

SPEAKER_05

Like a little bit of both. Um, I guess the best way to demonstrate that or to answer that is to demonstrate it. Uh like now a good time to try something with you and uh the listeners as well.

SPEAKER_02

Perfect. Sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

All right, so uh so I'll do this with you and uh with both of you, with both Bria and Lindsay, but also for the the listeners. I'll I'll describe it as best as I can for the audio listeners, and if you do pull a video for uh for social media or something, people uh people can check that out after. So uh I'm gonna do this with both Bria and Lindsay, but everyone listening as well. Now it doesn't matter this will be recorded. I've done this experiment many times or different experiments like it, and it does tend to work uh with people who listen to the podcast later or watch it as a video later. So uh I'm gonna kind of address all of you as a whole for this. Uh the way this is gonna work is I'm gonna send my uh thoughts from my mind out to all of you. Okay. Uh this will give you a chance to see how this works, uh, give you a chance to feel like uh feel what it's like when you get it right and wrong, but it also gives me a chance, uh, especially with the two of you right now, to know um how you both think. So I'm gonna think about a memory from my past. I'm gonna project it out to you and all the listeners. We'll see how many people receive the psychic transmission. Now, don't shout your answers out loud. And even for the listeners, if you're listening with someone else, don't say your answers out loud and don't think about it. Go with whatever pops in your mind instantly. Intuition is knowing without knowing. So take a deep breath and exhale, or else you'll suffocate. Very good. Now take one more deep breath. And as you exhale, get in your mind a number from one to ten. Lock it in your mind, don't change it, remember that number. All right, we'll do it again. Again, I'll keep it simple. Take another deep breath. And as you exhale, get in your mind a direction on a compass. Lock it in your mind, don't change it, remember that direction. All right, this last one's gonna be the most difficult. This time I want you to think of two simple geometric shapes, one inside the other, like a square inside of a rectangle. Don't pick either of those, though. I just said that. Um don't pick those. Uh take a deep breath. Exhale and remember the two shapes that appeared in your mind. All right, so I'm curious to see how uh how this worked with the two of you. Uh listeners can, of course, write in or post on social media uh in the comments uh what their answers, but I was thinking of a pretty common memory. I wanted to make it easy for everyone. Uh I was thinking about my first day in school and I couldn't find geometry class, so I asked someone where it was, and they said it was on the north side of the building. So, did either of you get north to start? Okay, both of you. Okay, all right, not bad. Hey, for both of you to both get a one in four, that's the odds of that are pretty good. Okay, so um technically one in eight because southwest and all that, but you got us especially north. When I got to the classroom, I noticed there were seven students. Did either of you get seven before you changed your mind? Both of you did, both of you did. Okay. Um usually people think of that and then they change their mind to another number. It's like, no, no, stick with what came in your mind first. Okay, good. Well, this was the tough one. The teacher drawn on the chalkboard a circle and a triangle.

SPEAKER_04

No, either of those.

SPEAKER_05

Did you both of you get all of them? That's great. Oh, perfect. All right. Now, of course, this worked perfectly with both of you. Let's uh hear usually listeners, if they're good at this and they do open their mind, uh, they usually people can get it. Now, if they you get none of these right, that's okay. These are the kinds of people who are better at generating ideas than being open to other people's. Uh, these are people who really think about what they're gonna think about. These are the people who, when I say think of uh a simple geometric, two simple geometric shapes, they think of a star inside of a dodecahedron. You know, like that's that's the level they go to. But this worked well with uh with both of you. So let's take this a step further. Um uh, do you either of you do you have like a uh a coin nearby or a ring? Just something you can like hide in your hand like this?

SPEAKER_02

Um I have a bracelet.

SPEAKER_05

Can you like hide it in your hand uh like like this, uh Rita? Are you able to? So so like like if you were to hide it, you you could hold your hands out like this on screen. Yeah, okay. So um okay, well, first put your hands out of frame and mix it around. Mix it around, okay? Put it in one hand, and then just to really mix things up, uh spell your name, moving it once from every hand. So I would spell like J O E moving it at from every hand. You would spell, but I don't know where you're starting or stopping. That way you know it's nice at random. Then put it into one of your fists and hold your fists out like this. Can you see? Now, here's how it's gonna work. You can actually lie or tell the truth for this, okay? So I want you to decide in your mind if you're gonna be a sinner or a saint. Okay? A sinner is someone who's gonna lie to all my questions. A saint is someone who's gonna tell the truth, okay? Now, the question I'm going to ask in a moment, uh, so decide in your mind which character you want to play, sinner or saint. Don't say it out loud. Okay. The first question I'm gonna ask, don't answer it yet, is if the bracelet is in your right hand. Now, if you're a sinner, you have to lie to this, okay? If you're a saint, tell the truth. So I'll give you a moment to think about your answer. And here we go. Is the bracelet in your right hand? It is. Okay. Okay, it is. Okay, okay, it is good. Okay. Now put your hands out of frame. Put your hands out of frame. Okay, so mix it back and forth. This time, don't show me, just lie and I or or tell the truth, and I'll I'll try and figure out what you're doing this time. Now that I've got a baseline. So bring your hands up like this. Okay. So again, I'll ask you if it's in the right hand. Don't show me either way. Just answer out loud. If you're a liar, lie. If you're a truth teller, tell the truth. Sinner, lie, saint, tell the truth. Is it in your right hand again?

unknown

Yep.

SPEAKER_05

Yes. Okay. I think I I think I know. I, you know what, I'm going to give you a chance. Stay in character, stay as a sinner or a saint, but bring your hands out of frame for a moment. You can swap your hands, uh, swap the bracelet to the other hand if you want. Okay. Or you can keep it in the same hand. Move your hands, so I don't know what you're doing. Either way, we'll just make it a little harder. Bring your hands up. Okay. Just gonna make this a little bit more uh interesting for you and challenging for me. Uh, I'm gonna ask you one final question. Uh and the qu don't answer out loud yet. I'm gonna ask you if you swapped hands. Again, if you're a sinner, lie and say the opposite. If you're a truth teller, just tell the truth. Did you swap hands?

SPEAKER_04

Yes. I did. Okay. I believe.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, so I believe I uh I think I figured this out. Okay, so first of all, I figured out both things. I think first of all, you're not that great of a liar, which is why you tend to tell the truth. And second, uh the bracelet is in your left hand now. Show us. There we go. All right, that's two for two. Okay, let's make this even more fun. Um uh swap it back and forth out of your hands, okay? Because I asked a couple questions, swap it back and forth. This unspell your middle name as you swap it, okay? So swap, swap, swap, swap, okay? All right. Have you done that? Okay, now it's in one of your hands. Don't move yet. If it's in your right hand, uh spell right. If it's in your left hand, spell left. Okay? Out of out of frame. So ready, do that now. Okay? Again, move back and forth. Okay. And uh finally, think of your favorite season. Uh, that'd be, you know, summer, spring, fall, or winter. And finally, uh spell that. Okay.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Bring your hands out just like this, and just think about where it is. Just think about whether. Uh now look right at the camera. Don't look at your hands, look right at the camera. I'm gonna say it's in your left hand again. Let's see. There we go. All right, we've got this two in a row. Let's just once more bring your hands down. Uh this time, think of someone you know, but uh, but not Lindsay. Think of someone you know, okay? Spell their name, moving it back and forth, okay?

SPEAKER_04

Moving it once for every letter. Okay. Okay. You know what? Spell their name one more time just to really mix it up. Okay. Okay, so bring your hands up like this.

SPEAKER_05

So you've mixed it up, you've lied, you've told the truth, you've spelled different things. You're think- Okay, I can tell you're thinking about it. Okay, it's back in your left hand again. Let's see. Three for three? Left hand, let's see. Oh, a bummer. Okay, a two out of three. I'll take it. Oh, bummer. Okay, I'll I'll tell you what though. I'll tell you what. You did good, you did good. I I I misread you. I think we can do this then. Um, let me go for this. Uh, we're gonna play, and then don't don't worry, uh Lindsay. I'm gonna uh do something with you in a moment here. Oh. But let me do this with you, Brielle. I've got uh two note cards here uh that I just wrote kind of word bubbles. I've got uh uh one yes and one no. Okay. Okay. So I got so I got two out of three, but again, we were making it really complex. I think we can now simplify now, all right? So I'm gonna ask you questions, and you're not gonna say anything out loud, okay, at any point. Uh when I say give us your answer, give us a thumbs up for uh yes and a thumbs down for no. Do you understand the rules of the game, Bria?

SPEAKER_02

Thumbs up for yes, thumbs down for no.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, exactly. So you understand the rules of the game?

SPEAKER_02

Yes.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, you don't? Nope. That was the test. That was the test. That's okay. So yeah, just give a thumbs up. Just give a thumbs up. Okay, it's perfect. All right. The first question, the first question we're gonna ask. Um, I'm just gonna do three questions, all right. Um it's uh it's personal, but not too personal. It's not medical personal. Um, but uh, and if you want to cut this out of the podcast, you can. But uh, I think uh uh uh I'm gonna pick one of these in a moment. I'm just gonna keep uh uh keep mixing them up. Okay, so I've got the got the yes and no. So in your mind, answer yes or no. Do you sleep naked? Don't answer out loud, just answer in your mind. I'm gonna go with this. I'm gonna hold this in frame. I think this uh answer would have been different like a year ago. I'm committed. I'm committed. I've got one here. Uh show us your answer. Show us your answer. What's uh what's the answer? No, okay. I had a feeling you didn't anymore. Uh, we won't go into why you don't anymore. Okay, good. Okay. So um so that's round one. Uh so there we go. So that's round one. Round two, this is much less personal, but uh, but it is just as telling. Answer in your mind. Would you hit your best friend in a speeding car for $10 million? Now, before you answer, I'll tell you what my best friend said. My best friend said to my face, I would hit you with a full tank of gas, send you space word, and then pay for your hospital bills. And then we split the rest of the money. That's friendship, yo. Uh, so think about that. And uh also speeding car is uh is objective. Uh lock your answer in mind. I've I think I've got the answer you're thinking of here. Okay, I'm holding a card here. Lock in your answer, thumbs up or thumbs down. Would you do it? You wouldn't. You're one of the few people who would turn down the money. I had a feeling you had good morals. That's why I said no as well. So that's okay. No, some people are like, I don't think about it. No, you were thinking about it, you were on the edge, but you finally decided. Okay. Last question, last question. Um again, answer only in your mind, uh, yes or no. Let's see if I can get three in a row this time. I think I can. Uh in the last, we'll say, six months. Have you looked through a friend's phone without their permission? Have you looked through your a friend's phone without their permission? I'm gonna go with this. Um, okay, it's not good to lie to the mind reader, but again, it's your podcast, so that's fine.

SPEAKER_04

I'm locked in, lock in your answer. Thumbs up or thumbs down.

SPEAKER_05

Thumbs down. Three no's in a row. I had a feeling we'd have three no's in a row. There we go. So I got all three of those. Okay, so I know a bit about how you think. We can move on to that in a moment. That's Lindsay. Uh Lindsay. We're gonna go a little bit deeper with you. Could you think of, I'm gonna grab another uh another card here, uh, another uh blank on both sides. Uh, could you think of a pin code, a four-digit pin code? Now, hang on, before we do this, um, I don't want to put your actual security at risk. So do me a favor. Uh, we're gonna make up a pin code, okay? And then we'll treat it like your real pin code for this, okay? Uh, but I still want the number to have some meaning to you. So think of a date. Uh, not a year, just two digits for the month, two digits for the day. That will give us a uh random four-digit code that means something to you. Um, and even like Bria might have guesses as to which one you settle down right now. But we're gonna make it so that no one has any guesses. Do you have a date in mind?

SPEAKER_01

Yep.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, don't answer out loud. Uh, just listen carefully, okay? Uh okay, Lindsay. So, Lindsay, if you're thinking of a date in the beginning or even like the middle of the year up until like the end of the summer, swap to a date towards the end of the year. If you're anywhere else, uh don't say anything. Don't switch, don't do anything. So then I won't even know if you're switching or not, right? And Bria, you don't even know if uh Lindsay switched or not right now, okay? So that way it's completely random. Um I want to make it, I want to do one more thing to make sure it's random. So you have a new four-digit code in mind, uh Lindsay? Okay. Think of those four digits. Don't think of them as a uh as a date anymore. Think of them as a four-digit pin code. I'm gonna make one more request before we finally do this because I want to make this as interesting for you and challenging for me. Um, make sure all four digits are different. So you may have to change one of the digits uh here or there, you know, keep it as a date, of course, but like you might have to change uh a little bit of the dates to make sure all four digits are different. Because again, if two of the digits are the same, I'm guessing just three numbers, not really four. Makes sense. I want to make it as hard as possible for you and your listeners and everything else. Okay. Uh so you've got a brand new code that you just made up in your mind, right? And again, even if I did research, we mixed up the numbers. There's no way I know for certain uh what number you settled on. Okay, so uh could you shift over a little bit more just so I can see you a little bit more on my screen? Per okay, right there. So, Lindsay, I want you to imagine first digit here, second here, third here, and fourth here. See that clearly in your mind. Got it? And to be clear, we didn't set up anything before we recorded or anything like that. You're doing this all in your head right now. Okay. Just like before, uh with Bria, where I had to see what she looked like when she uh lied and told the truth. I want to do the same thing with you. So I want you to tell the truth about which digit is the lowest. Don't tell me what the number is, just tell me if it's in the first position, second, third, or fourth position of this pin code. Which digit is the lowest digit? Tell the truth. First. The first digit, okay, and that's the truth. Now think of where the highest digit is, all right, and lie. Tell me where it isn't at the end. Okay, so I know a little bit about how you think now. Okay, good. So see the first digit, see the second digit, see the third digit, and the fourth. Okay, so um I believe uh I I think, okay, so I think you uh I think the the true highest digit is in the second position, is that correct? Oh interesting, interesting, interesting, okay.

SPEAKER_04

Oh no, that's okay, that's okay. Um Okay, I'm gonna go with this, I think. Um okay, because Okay, so um because one of these is a zero, yes? Oh, interesting. Interesting. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, um you know what?

SPEAKER_04

I'm just gonna go with all four digits are different, yes? Okay, I'm gonna write this. Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Oh, it's it's kind of sloppy, but yeah, I'll put it down. Um okay, I'll leave this in frame just like I did with the others. Uh you can tell us now what is this pin code that you just uh came up with?

SPEAKER_01

1597.

SPEAKER_05

Uh there was a bit of a there was a bit of a lag 15 what?

SPEAKER_01

97.

SPEAKER_05

1597. Um, it's a really good thing we didn't use your real pin code, because I wrote down one. Apologies for the handwriting, but uh but yeah the uh that's amazing.

SPEAKER_01

What I feel like yeah, he's he's in your mind. Let's see my mind. Wow, that's amazing.

SPEAKER_02

Uh that's crazy. How fun! Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01

I love that. Holy shit. I love it. I love it.

SPEAKER_04

Awesome, awesome.

SPEAKER_02

Oh wow, I am yeah, I don't even know what to say. That's crazy. That was so fun.

SPEAKER_05

Thank you.

SPEAKER_02

Doesn't for our listeners, please play along.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, so well, I mean, uh if uh one of your listeners who also made up the code 1597, they're freaking out. Everyone else is like, oh, okay, that's fine. Um we can do something else with the listeners to to wrap up at the end. But um, but yeah, we uh but yeah, we'll do uh so here we did that. Let me uh uh I'm gonna try one more uh thing with um uh uh with you, uh Bria. Could you think of here? I've got a deck of cards here. Uh let me uh I'm gonna have you think of a playing card, if that's alright. Uh like in a deck of cards. So my great-grandmother taught me how to read playing cards like uh like a ter tarot deck. There's 52 cards in the deck, 52 weeks in the year, uh, four suits, four seasons, twelve picture cards, twelve months, thirteen values, thirteen phases of the moon. If you add the cards value for value, ace plus two plus three, you get three hundred and sixty-four. When you add the joker, you get three hundred and sixty-five. So um, I just turned a card over in this deck. I'd like you to just think of a card, okay? Not the ace of spades, uh, and not the queen of hearts. So the most obvious cards in the deck. But uh, and also the joker's not in here either, okay? But just think of a card. Um, so there's 50 choices, but that choice you can tell me a little bit about your life and confirm what I think a little bit about your life, okay?

SPEAKER_04

Got a card in mind? I think so, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, so I've got one card in here reversed. It'd be amazing if the card you were merely thinking of matched the card I turned over in here, right?

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05

That'd be pretty good, right? No, it's a good thing. So just think of your card. Okay. All right. Uh Bria, the card you are thinking of does not match the card in here. So thanks for having me on the show, both. No, I'm kidding. That's not okay. Here's the thing, Bria. You're you're not exact, we're not exact, but we're very close. Okay, you're very close to the card I turned over in here. So there's four uh suits. There's the two red suits, hearts and diamonds, and there's the two black suits, spades and clubs. You got the color right, but the suit is wrong. So in your mind, change your mind to the other suit. Got it? Okay. Okay. Now there's the value, which is ace, which we'd count as one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten. Jack would be eleven, queen would be twelve, king would be thirteen. Again, I think you're close. I think you're only off by one. But you tell us, do you think you need to go up one or down one? Do you think you need to add a number or subtract? Oh, um subtract. Perfect. You got it right. Okay, so do that in your mind. Uh go down one, keep the color. You know, did you do that already? You kept the color swapped to the other suit, and you went down one number?

SPEAKER_03

Yes.

SPEAKER_05

That's it. Forget the original card. Tell us this new card you just created.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_02

I was thinking seven, the number seven of hearts.

SPEAKER_05

Seven of hearts is what you changed your mind to, yes?

SPEAKER_02

Yes.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, perfect. Let me, I'm gonna go through, I'm keeping the deck in frame. Let me know if you see the reverse card in here before I do. Like I said, I will go slow. Uh, you can see all the cards are facing the same way except for uh one right here in the entire deck. You can see all the other cards, uh including the six of diamonds, the card you originally thought of. Uh, but I had you change your mind so that we would end up with the seven of hearts.

SPEAKER_04

What?

SPEAKER_01

I don't even know what to say. That's great. That's awesome. That is amazing. What? I love it. That is so fun.

SPEAKER_05

Thank you. Thank you, thank you.

SPEAKER_02

Good job.

SPEAKER_05

All right, one uh what one grand finale for uh you and the listeners? Yes, please. Okay, great. So, yeah, so this is something the listeners can follow along with as well. I know they've been now if they've been playing around and following along with this, they'll uh see how difficult it is to figure some of this out. And if you put any of the video out, again, you're not like mouthing the words, there's not too much body language happening. Um, there is some psychology to it, of course, but there is more intuition to it. So um, we're gonna do something fun for all of the listeners now, uh, because we all know our zodiac, our astrological signs. Um, and we know that certain traits go with certain signs, right? You know, like, you know, uh, I'm a Sagittarius, uh, we, you know, we're the Yarsher, we like to have a target. Um Pisces, that's the fish. They go under the water, they good, they see things below the surface, all that kind of stuff. But what if we did the opposite? Um, so we're going to give everyone a brand new zodiac sign based purely on uh your positive and negative traits. Okay. So um so first things first, I'm gonna read off uh some positive character traits, and all you have to do is remember one or two that connects to you, okay? You'll only need one, but if you remember a few, that's okay. Just make sure you remember at least one of these. Ready? All right, here we go. We've got generosity, victory, truth, grace, tenderness, uh, comfort, awareness, vitality, affection, compassion. Each of you remember one? Yes, okay, good. Okay, and listeners remember one as well. Again, you'll only need one. Think of how that character trait connects with you in uh your life and think of that word, right? Imagine that word written out in front of you. Now take the first letter of that word and remember the first letter. This is your key to a new zodiac sign, okay? Because I'm now gonna list off some negative traits and listen for a word. These you'll be less likely to pick consciously. So instead, listen for a word that has your key letter in it. Okay? Now listen, it might not be the first letter, it might be the last letter or somewhere in the middle. So listen carefully for your key letter and remember the new word that has it. Okay? Again, it could be anywhere, the middle, beginning, or the end. Ready? Okay, here we go. We have sorrow, vengeance, horrid, vanity, lies, rudeness, hellish, and murderous. You should have a new number uh new uh character trait, a random one now. Uh yes? Yeah. Yeah, okay. You heard you heard one that had your letter in it. Good. Okay. Yeah. Um, this one is negative. So now think about how that applies to you. And uh possibly maybe it hasn't drawn been drawn to your attention before. Like, oh, maybe I do need to work on that. So you have a new characteristic and thus a new key, right? So once again, focus on the first letter of that character trait. That is your key to your new zodiac sign. So listen for and choose a zodiac sign that has that letter in it. Uh, it could be uh Pisces, Virgo, Leo, Gemini, Taurus, Cancer, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sagittarius, Aquarius. I think I said them all, yeah? I think so. I think so. Uh and you've uh do you have a new star sign in your mind, each of you? Mm-hmm. Good. Okay. And all the listeners do as well, right? They've been doing, they've been choosing their own keywords and character traits, positive and negatives. So everyone has a new star sign, okay? Uh so here are your fortunes for your new star signs. If you are now a Libra, uh, you're gonna stub your toe every day for the next year. Ouch.

SPEAKER_04

I know, sorry.

SPEAKER_05

You're uh if you're now a Leo or Scorpio, uh, you're actually gonna get food poisoning on your birthday.

SPEAKER_03

Really sorry.

SPEAKER_05

Uh in fact, those thinking of all other signs, your luck is probably gonna be worse than it was before. These are the signs who are there actually kind of poor at following instructions. All signs except for one. There's one sign that belongs to those who build their own future and achieve their goals. It's a good time to take a deep breath and relax, but only if your new sign is Virgo.

SPEAKER_04

Oh really?

SPEAKER_05

It wasn't mine. Well, when you listen back, you'll get Virgo then, so there you go. It's okay. It's okay. Let's try one more. Let's try one more of that. Um, let's do uh let's do this. Um do you have a uh let's see here. What'd you end up with, by the way? What were the star signs out of curiosity?

SPEAKER_01

Um cancer for me.

SPEAKER_05

Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_01

Gemini.

SPEAKER_04

Gemini, okay, so C and G were out of uh uh and then the negative traits you you settled on? Just curious about this.

SPEAKER_02

Well that was a hard one. Yeah, was it one vengeance? Vengeance, yeah.

SPEAKER_05

So you're so your key letter would have been V. Um, right? Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

So we did. Yeah, we did. I just didn't know how to fell.

SPEAKER_05

Okay, that's okay. I don't know how to fell. That's okay. That's okay. We'll we'll do this. We'll do this instead. We'll do this instead. This is okay. This is okay. Um we'll do uh we'll do one more test of imaginations. No spelling for this one, okay? Um this is another paranormal themed one everyone can follow along with. Um uh I want you to picture three paranormal creatures, but uh there'll be imaginary for right now, okay? One of them will be a cute little alien who's just arrived from a UFO, okay? Love that. Uh you know, little guy, gray skin, gigantic head. Uh the second creature is a ghost. This is more life-sized, very scary, dressed in Victorian brags. And the third creature is the Lochness monster, about the size of a small dinosaur, uh, with fins, scales, and green skin. Can you picture all of them? Mm-hmm. Okay, good. I want you to arrange them in order of size, with the little guy, the alien over on your uh left, the ghost in the middle, and the big gal, Lochness Monster Nessie on your right. So standing in a line facing you. Okay? You're going to mix them up with just one move. Okay. So in your mind, grab either one on the far left or the far right and shove it into the center between the other two.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_05

Have you both done that? Mm-hmm. Now you have a ch so you had a choice of which one to shove into the center, but now you have a choice upon a choice. If you like the new arrangement, that's fine. Or if you want, you can switch it back exactly the way it was 10 seconds ago. It's your choice, and you only have to tell me uh which you are doing. Just once you've made that choice, stop right there. You both done that? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Okay. So I'm going to ask you to get rid of the creature on your far left. Whichever one it is, tell it to go away. Uh, and it does. It's gone, disappeared, no longer a figment of your imagination. You can picture that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Good. So you made a choice about the order of the creatures, and uh you had one of them leave. I don't know about your choice. Uh so I don't know what to you ended up with. Um, so try to picture them perfectly and mix them around, swap them back and forth so that one is on your left and one is on your right. Okay? Have you both done that? Mm-hmm. Yep. Okay. Now listen carefully. If one of the creatures uh in front of you is the Loch Ness monster, then have the creature standing on the right side of the monster disappear. Now, if there isn't a creature standing on the right side of the monster, in that case, have the creature standing on the left side of Nessie disappear. If you're thinking of the ghost and the alien, uh if those were the two creatures you had, uh, I want you to tell the creature on the right, whichever one it is, that it should disappear. So that means uh you've got one creature left, a perfect figment of your imagination, yes?

SPEAKER_04

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_05

All right. Now you have to admit, if you had just seen an alien, a ghost, and Nessie, you'd be ready for your own late night radio show. Uh but uh you've moved them all around and told them what to do. Um and if you followed my instructions and the psychology of this correctly, you should be surprised to know that everyone should have ended up with the Loch Ness monster.

SPEAKER_02

I got the Loch Ness monster.

SPEAKER_05

Yes, there we go. All right, welcome back to reality, and uh you can give yourselves and uh your listeners a round of applause. There we go. And if uh uh and if there's more nussy sightings after this, we can all take credit for it.

SPEAKER_02

Oh that was oh wow, that was so fun.

SPEAKER_05

That was yeah, there's a couple interactive things uh your uh listeners can uh let us know about. Um let us know if they got all of them, some of them, none of them. You know, it's it's always interesting to hear uh hear what which things uh uh people got.

SPEAKER_02

So uh got some polls up and stuff.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, exactly. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02

How fun! Oh my god. Thank you. Thank you. This was super fun.

SPEAKER_05

Thank you for doing this. Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02

I love it. All right. So I think we'll we have oh how fun. That was so fun. I don't even know if I have anything to top that, right?

SPEAKER_01

Oh, thank you. That was absolutely amazing, incredible. Thank you. Thank you. Would recommend. Yes, definitely.

SPEAKER_02

Uh thank you live. I mean, we're in the Midwest, so yeah, yeah. We will definitely, oh my gosh, how funny.

SPEAKER_05

Yeah, I'm I'm traveling uh a bit this summer. I'm uh I was supposed to do some theaters. Uh that's on hold with gas prices being what they are right now. Uh plus with uh with the summer months and everything. Uh with so let me let me tell you a bit about what's coming up uh for sure in uh 2026. So for starters, if anyone does come to uh the Wisconsin-Illinois border area, there's a town called Lake Geneva. Um, DD fans will uh know it as the birthplace of Gary Gygax, the creator of Dungeons and Dragons. Uh so he's from there. And it's a really cool little Midwestern uh touristy town, but it's kind of like a Hamptons, people go there to hang out as well. The Maxwell Mansion there, I'm performing there every single week this summer in the Psychic Parlor. Tickets are on sale at the psychicparlor.com as well as my main website, joe diamondlive.com. That's going on the entire summer. Uh, there's some cool places to stay in Lake Geneva and everything. So if anyone's coming through, check that out. Also, like I said before, I do house parties, company events. So if someone's listening to this, and if your work flew in, like, you know, a band or you know, a comedian or something for events years past, tell them to bring me in instead. Um, it's uh it's a lot of fun, yeah, super interactive. I keep the show clean, but it's still gonna be freaky and fun. Um and and again, people can find that out at uh jodiamond uh live.com as well. Finally, the tickets aren't up for sale for that, but those two are kind of evergreen. I have no plans on um, and everything, whether however the schedule changes, it'll all be at joediamondlive.com. However, right now, going into the summer of 2026, Halloween night, October 31st, I will be at the Maxwell Mansion. It's signed, it's locked in. Tickets aren't on sale. Yep, they'll be going on sale this summer. Halloween's on a Saturday, it's daylight savings. Oh, and it's the 100-year anniversary of the death of Harry Houdini. Oh, yeah. Harry Houdini died on Halloween night, 1926, and he said, have seances, and I will try to come back. He was fascinated with seances at the end of his life. So we will be doing a uh a really cool Houdini seance on uh on Halloween night at the at the Maxwell Mansion. And he's from Wisconsin too, so it there's a nice other little uh tie-in there too.

SPEAKER_03

Hell yeah.

SPEAKER_05

Uh be on the lookout, uh be on the lookout for that uh as well. Um and uh yeah, and yeah, like I said, um if uh if I'm in your area, I am gonna be touring more over the next year. It's just a matter of nailing the dates down and stuff. Um it's weird too. We didn't really get into like the business side of it, but like I've very much created my own career. I book my shows, I do all this. This tour uh that we're trying to put together, it's through another company. I'm basically just being hired as like the act in it. So it's so weird for me not to be calling all the venues and all of this and doing all this other stuff. So it's it's nice to have someone else handling all that while I'm doing all these shows right now. Um, but it does mean that normally I can give answers of like where I'm gonna be next and everything else. But with this, when people are like, when when's the tour happening? I'm like, I I don't know. Not yet. It is going to happen. My crystal ball says it is going to happen. Um, but uh it's just a matter of uh of when is the uh is the question. So um but yeah, but uh again, through uh through everything else, again, the paranormal community and everything, it's amazing how much uh paths cross between conventions and investigations and just trips and everything. So uh so yeah, so try it up for us. Yeah, if you do make it uh make it up this way, definitely let me know.

SPEAKER_01

Yes, definitely. Yes, seriously. I mean, thank you again for being here with us tonight. Um, this was such an amazing experience. Definitely, definitely. Um, and 100% we would love to have you back on the show again.

SPEAKER_05

Please, yeah, no, answer answer is yes, answer is yes.

SPEAKER_01

We got plenty of other topics we can talk about.

SPEAKER_05

You've been amazing. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02

Uh thank you for sync and yes, thank you, listeners. That'll be so fun. And we'll be sure to link everything like in our show notes and stuff too, like where to find you. And you have uh TikTok and Instagram. Yep, too.

SPEAKER_05

It's Joe uh at Joe Diamond Live on all uh for the dot com and all uh social media platforms.

SPEAKER_02

Perfect, awesome, all right, guys. Yeah, be sure to check him out. He's awesome. 100% amazing. All right, well, thank you so much. You take care, you as well. Thank you. Have a good one. Thanks.

SPEAKER_04

Thanks.