Episode 23 - "Black Harlow"

Sports heavy convo this episode. Ranging from the WBC final to Bam Adebayo's 83-point performace. We round out this one with a response to some of the backlash Jack Harlow is receiving after a recent interview to promote his new album; Monica.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:03

Fellow Americans, it is with the utmost pride to the ceremony that I present this recording as a living testament and calculation of history in the making during our generation. Allow me to reintroduce myself.

SPEAKER_09 0:14

My name is The Universe is predicated on the duality of chaos and order. Without these opposites to define each other, it is impossible for life to exist in any dimension. Therefore, we should accept both chaos and order as equally real and necessary.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Nigga, that's all I care about. Like they made my nigga Randy Orton stop being this little bitch that he's been kind of trying to help out the new talent. And now this nigga is fucking back to listening to the voices in his head, nigga.

SPEAKER_06 0:46

He should never the way I see it is he should never have stopped listening to the voices. Nigga, bro. Randy Orton is nothing without the voices in his head.

SPEAKER_02 0:54

Nigga, that shit is so goddamn entertaining. Nigga, I got my kids. Yo, talking about kids, nigga. If y'all have the opportunity, and this ain't fucking, what is it? Ain't nobody getting paid for this. But that circus Vasquez shit, the Tell me about it.

SPEAKER_06 1:11

Yeah, y'all went to the y'all went to the circus yesterday, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:14

Bro, I'm well one. My daughter loved it. Oh, she enjoyed the hell out of it. She, yo, I love her. She goes and she was like, Nino, they're singing K-pop Demon Hunter. I was like, Yeah, they are, mommy. And then that, yo, have y'all niggas done that shit, bro? Like, somebody else's kid, nigga, you treat them like the most beautiful thing in the world. And then your kid. Yo, because then my kids were like, Daddy, tan cantando K-pop demon. I was like, yo, just listen. It's like sing alone. Like, leave me the hell alone. Yo, you mad, annoying. I'll be like, yo, she just told me that. Like, why the hell are you gonna tell me this?

SPEAKER_06 1:54

I think I think it happens more because like we live with our kids. Like, we spend all this all the time with our kids and whatever. Like, it's a kind of it's kind of a similar thing that happens with the wives, and they don't like it either. Like, I don't know, I don't I don't know if you've ever been through this, but I go through this picado sometimes where she's like, oh, like she'll get mad at me, and she'll be like, Oh, I wish I w I wish you could treat me or talk to me, but you talk to some other people because everybody else is, oh, Cito's so nice, and Mrs. Manners or whatever. I'm like, I'm not married to them. Like, that's my response is always yo, I am not married to these people. Of course, that's what they believe. They don't live with me, they also don't have the opportunities to drive me up a wall the way that you do.

SPEAKER_16 2:35

Like, I don't that that's my issue, bro. Because everybody thinks that I'm fucking anti-social. The truth is I'm just married to somebody who don't want me to be social. I mean, that's yeah, that's the bottom line. So and then Rose wanted to tell me, yo, yeah, you definitely antisocial. I'm like, yeah, bro, because yo, bro, if I'm if I'm just yo, why are you laughing too much? Bro, because like, yo, I could just be somewhere. And Rose is like, I made it like that.

SPEAKER_06 3:02

I made it like that. I made it like that.

SPEAKER_16 3:04

Yo, bro, because yo, if I'm too nice to somebody, bro, Rose is just like, what are you doing? Like, I don't know. Like, she be she be taken aback. I'm like, I'm just like, bro, I'm just trying to be friendly.

SPEAKER_02 3:16

Rose seems like she's very calm, cool, and collected. Yeah, nah. She's very peaceful.

SPEAKER_06 3:21

I don't have any problems with Rose.

SPEAKER_02 3:22

I think you're the triggering factor.

SPEAKER_06 3:24

Nah, she's every time I hear him speak, I just feel like it just confirms more to me that, you know, Zay is the problem. But nah, gee, you were tell tell us about the circus.

SPEAKER_02 3:33

So we when we get there, it's like, well, first of all, apparently the a couple days ago, I was sleeping. And I fell asleep late because I was playing MOB the show. Oh, you got the new one? Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 3:49

I didn't get it yet. I know I need to get it because it got WBC and I gotta get my game back for DR.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

I haven't played with I haven't played MOB the show in years. So I'm starting off with that. But it's like playing it and then like, nigga, I was there, bro. I started at like 11 p.m. bro. I fell asleep by like four o'clock in the morning, nigga. I did not stop, bro, until I made it to at least double A. Nigga start you off in high school, bro, with a metal bat, nigga. Like, like that shit. I don't know. Like I said, I haven't played it in years, and I don't know if it was always it's been like that, but it was like No, they started that with last year's.

SPEAKER_06 4:28

Nigga, that shit. Yeah, no, it's fire, it's fire, bro. Like you hit the thing. This year this year got more. This year they went more in depth with it. So last year they just started it, but apparently this year they went more in depth.

SPEAKER_02 4:37

So they did uh they they do that, they do high school, then you go to college, then you have the option to continue playing in college or get drafted. It's like that whole shit, nigga, was fire. But the point is they got fell asleep at four o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_06 4:51

Which was not fire.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

Yeah. And then not in our mid-30s. Yeah. And then my wife apparently comes to me to tell me, hey, uh, because the the whole thing at first, from my understanding, was that uh since it was gonna be uh Thule's birthday, yeah, it was supposed to be her with her friends.

SPEAKER_06 5:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:13

Which I agreed to. I was like, yes, that's fire. I want our kids to freaking grow up around each other and hang out and shit like that.

SPEAKER_06 5:20

And they they they the three of them were born, there's three of them that were like born the same year. So it's like the the crew.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

Yeah, so it's like, and Thule asked, she was like, I want to be with my best friends. And she said it was Arya, Lila. Yeah, so I was like, ah, that's fire. I don't know when the hell this became a family event. I got told, my wife said, It's like, oh, I asked you. I was like, when did you ask me? She said, You were sleeping. And I asked you, hey, do you want to go to the circus and take the rest of the kids? And apparently I said yes. I told her, where in my fucking right mind would I say yes when I don't like going to events because my kids, first of all, if I go, I have to sit in the front.

SPEAKER_06 6:06

Well, that's where you lost it, because you said, Where in my right mind?

SPEAKER_02 6:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 6:09

See, Rebecca's not concerned with whether you're in your right mind or not.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

Nigga, yo, bro, I go. She just needs an answer. Nigga, Friday, nigga, I woke up and I was like, alright, what time I gotta is like, so what time is this thing started? Oh, uh, they're gonna order pizza for the kids at five. So at five, they need to be there by then. I was like, alright, so what time do you think we should start uh getting Lila ready so I could drop her off? She said, What do you mean you drop her off? We are dropping her off. And in my head, I'm like, why the hell do we need to drop off? All the kids, like, why we need the whole family to drop off Lila? Like, this shit makes no sense to me. It's like, chut up, we're going to the circus. Nigga. When she explained to me how that whole shit went down, nigga, I was tight, bro, the whole fucking time. Because I was like, yo, I'm not about like, I don't like the circus. I don't like clowns. It's like, I don't fucking.

SPEAKER_06 7:08

Oh, that's what it is. It's like you got the clown phobia.

SPEAKER_02 7:11

Yeah, nigga. I don't like freaking people flying over me. It's like, I think that one of them niggas gonna drop and freaking fall on me or do you think that's a good one?

SPEAKER_06 7:19

You had you had like you had like niggas, you had niggas like on top of your head. What was that nigga's name, bro? Wow, bro.

SPEAKER_16 7:25

Remember in the old pod when G was telling the story about the clown?

SPEAKER_10 7:29

Chipone.

SPEAKER_06 7:31

Oh I had to do it to myself. I had to do it to a bitch. Yeah, Chipone on AF. That's an AF classic story right there. But Jeddah has that phobia of the clowns because of that shit, bruh.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

But the thing was, nigga, finally when we made it, nigga, yeah, I was I was still tight. Then I see Maria pull up, but I don't see Mario, and I was like, oh damn. But nigga, lucky. Mario didn't go? No, he did pull up. I was like, I was like, okay. So we sat there, nigga. I'm already finding every fucking reason. And I'm talking to Mario, he didn't want to be there. And we're just like, yo, bro, when this shit starts, we're gonna say we're gonna buy popcorn, nigga, and then we just dip out and come back when this shit ends. I was like, facts. Bro, this they brought out this fucking clown, bro, that that nigga must have been the most entertaining nigga, bro, that I had seen in a while. Like, it was like genuine laughter, like seeing the kids. Also realizing that my two little ones did not fuck with clowns either. So as soon as that nigga came out, them niggas burst it out in tears. You know what it is, nigga? That nigga, my like my daughter was trying to climb up on top of me. Oh, my daddy is scared.

SPEAKER_06 8:46

And he's like, yo, I'm scared too, bro. Chill out, bro.

SPEAKER_02 8:50

But it was, nigga, it was super fun. It was like the acrobatic shit that they did was fire. Freaking. And it was like, I feel like, especially when you hear about shit like niggas on tight ropes and shit, you always assume that they like they've done this shit for so long that it's like they it's always perfect. There's no, but yo, seeing them like actually like mess up and it's like see like that defeat, like they felt defeated, and it was like, no, just one more try, one more try. Nigga, it was it was nice to see, but it's like, bro, it takes some skills, bro. Like there was a nigga that he had this long ass pole, paws, freaking on his forehead, paws, and then freaking the bitch climb, oh, the girl climbed.

SPEAKER_17 9:32

Damn, why she gotta be all that? Yo, she climbed up.

SPEAKER_02 9:35

She was probably a clown. Yo, she climbed up the the the pole, freaking put her mouth on the pole. Oh. I thought this was a family show. Nigga, it was, bro.

SPEAKER_06 9:47

Until.

SPEAKER_02 9:48

And then that nigga balanced her on her forehead with this freaking pole. Oh no. And she's just holding on with her mouth, nigga. That shit to me was like, yo, the jaw game is serious, nigga. And then there were niggas doing the same shit too. I was like, hey, hey, yeah. But nah, overall, it was really good. The kids enjoyed it. I never went to go say I was gonna buy popcorn. I stayed there the whole time, bro, enjoying the shit out of it. But it's a really good experience. It's not big, which is actually something that was pretty impressive. Because it's like no matter where you sat, you felt like you were there. Yeah, I just recommend that people don't sit in the front because that clown will interact with you.

SPEAKER_06 10:37

Ain't nobody trying to have the interaction with the clown. What's up, Momo? You're you don't even gotta make a detour back. It's nothing back there this week, brother. No, I'm saying, if you if you was gonna go back there, Zay did not come through. I bought food. Zay didn't come through this week.

SPEAKER_04 10:51

You're not real this time.

SPEAKER_06 10:52

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_16 10:53

Yo, I tried to. I mean, I stopped. Nah, I did. I stopped at Dunkin'. You ain't trying. And I tried to get donuts and they boosted my shit. Dunkin' is not food.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Yo, yeah, I nigga.

SPEAKER_16 11:02

Nothing.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

I gotta remind me because I said I was gonna bring Chimies, and Moisette reminded me right when I was outside the door.

SPEAKER_16 11:09

It's like yo, they pissed me off in Dunkin'. Well, I did an online order, and in the online order, I put like uh like a big thing of munchkins. Nigga, and when I get there, they're like, Oh, we don't have any more munchkins. I'm like, all right, so it's fine, just just give me a refund. They're like, No, you gotta call the customer service. I'm like, for what? They're like, so you could get your refund. I'm like, so y'all the ones who don't have the munchkins, but I'm the one that has to call customer service. I'm like, why can't y'all just give me the refund now? I'm in the store. Because they don't want to. They're like, nah, you gotta call the customer, you gotta go on, you gotta go on. They're like, it's really easy, you gotta go on the app. So I pulled out my phone. I'm like, how do you do it? He's like, Oh, I don't, I don't know. Just call the customer service. What up, brother?

SPEAKER_04 11:54

I didn't wipe my hands, I didn't watch it.

SPEAKER_16 11:56

Damn, I don't know. That shit was not wet for let me unmute this shit.

SPEAKER_04 12:02

Nah, cuz um my cousin. My cousin just called me, bro. I had to go stop him.

SPEAKER_06 12:10

Matuchin?

SPEAKER_04 12:10

Yeah, nigga. That's Jersey. Yeah, some shit happened, bro. What's up, guys, man? Welcome to the alternative facts podcast. Wait, talking about what?

SPEAKER_06 12:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 12:22

He said he had to go to my touching somehow. I mean, that's just wild. But the first time I'm hearing my touching.

SPEAKER_06 12:28

It's up there. You definitely had to see it when you was driving to the Raddy and Biscadie. Yeah, facts, facts. But um, what's it called? Since last week we all predicted DR was beating USA, man. Before I jump into like the intro and shit, like how real quick, how how you feel about that uh, you know, DR taking that loss like that.

SPEAKER_16 12:53

I mean, at the end of the day, man, I always knew Venezuela was gonna take it, man.

SPEAKER_06 12:59

Shut your ass up, man. Nobody's picking, nobody picked it.

SPEAKER_16 13:01

Yo, ever since yo, yo, it's like my brother Momo said, bro, ever since they got Maduro, bro. Nah, bro.

SPEAKER_04 13:08

Listen, man.

SPEAKER_16 13:08

Nigga shouldn't have done that, bro.

SPEAKER_04 13:10

I just want to say, bro, I was born here, bro. I'm American. Like, I never the Americans lost two. I never went for DR. Like, what? DR. Luis I mean I like fuck that nigga, bro.

SPEAKER_06 13:23

So I know Trump all day. That's my people's. But um Why are you taller today? I'm sitting on, I got a high chair. I think uh I switched it out this week because I was I think I'll be more I get I got too comfortable in that chair. I was like sinking in and like being tired because we you know we record super late. So I was like, if I if I'm like this, I feel like I'm gonna be like more like alert, which will provide for a better podcast and less of the mistakes that have been happening. Does Iran got a world baseball classic team? No, they got a they got a they got a soccer team that's coming to the US for the World Cup. Are they good? Uh they okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:02

Yo, put all your money on Iran. Oh my god, okay.

SPEAKER_16 14:07

Niggas need they look back, nigga. Iran is not with the thing. Yo, Trump. He might he might not let them let them leave, nigga. He he actually nah nigga. He might go to that game. You're gonna call up the supreme leader. Like, how about you come get your boys out of Met Life, nigga?

SPEAKER_06 14:25

You're saying that, and and he actually issued a statement like, you know, I I don't think they should come. Like I don't think they should come. And then they issued a statement like, nah, they we coming. Did you see that?

SPEAKER_16 14:37

Nigga, Iran is on like their seventh supreme leader, bro. Like the US getting Trump Trump ain't going to be a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 14:44

Did you hear what he said the other day, nigga, to Japan, nigga? Japan was like, why didn't you tell anybody or whatever? It's like you surprised all of us. Y'all surprised me with Pearl Harbor. He's like, Y'all should know about Y'all should know about surprises. Y'all didn't tell me about Pearl Harbor.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

Nah, for me, bro.

SPEAKER_06 15:03

What'd you think about the game? The DR USA game.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

Like, I didn't. I feel like the calls were were pretty bad. But the the truth of the matter is this dude, uh Spaw. I was about to call this nigga Spa. Paul Skeens? Yeah, Paul Skeens. Like that nigga, he's a beast, bro. He's really good. He's amazing. And that's what I said in the last part. I was like, I want DR to win, and I hope, but it's like pitching is concerning. It's like he came out and showed his ass.

SPEAKER_06 15:36

It's like Severino pitched the game of his life.

SPEAKER_02 15:39

Oh, yeah, Severino was in the middle of the game.

SPEAKER_06 15:40

I feel like Severino was throwing 101. Like, we ain't seen that since that first half with the Yankees that he was in the Cy Young, like running.

SPEAKER_16 15:48

I'm definitely not drafting that nigga in fantasy, bro. He pitched the game. He's about to have an injury by May, nigga.

SPEAKER_06 15:54

Oh, we got we got the fantasy draft tomorrow. Yeah, I think so. I forgot about that shit. All right. Um, but nah, the calls, the calls, and look, I get it. You know, I was uh I I streamed the game last Sunday on on NYU, and you know, I got some backlash, a lot of people and they were rooting for the US, but and they were saying, well, the calls are bad on both sides, and it's true, the calls were bad on both sides, but if you look at the umpire scorecard that that came out um the next day, it's it proved what I was trying to say on the stream is that yes, the calls are bad on both sides, but the issue is is that when the calls are going against DR, it's the moments that is happening that's really screwing them up. Now, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna sit here and blame the entire loss off of one pitch because I had a coach on a travel ball team that that told me, listen, you never blame a loss on one pitch or one at bat. If a law, if a game comes down to one at bat, you lost that game a long time ago. And I agree with that. I think I I think that's that's a true sentiment. But you can't deny that like those calls in those moments were horrible. I mean, you had Soto leading off in the eighth, and everybody's like penciling in, okay, that's that's a base runner. Like we gotta leave, we gotta, we're gonna have somebody on to lead off the inning. And he absolutely fucks him with that with that strike three cards.

SPEAKER_04 17:17

It just sucks because literally, I was just getting into baseball, and it was just like, damn, bro, like just to see them go out like that regardless. This is why I don't watch baseball, bro. Yeah, this is why I don't watch baseball, bro, because it's like it'll break your heart for real. It it's it's a I the the sport is amazing, bro. Like to watch in field, like to watch the shit from the stadium, bro, from TV, boring as hell to me. But in the world baseball classic, like to watch it, like have my wife, my wife wanted to see it, the kids were watching it, all the other stuff. It was fire, all that. But then it's crazy how I can just predict the shit from jump, bro. Like I was telling Ashley, I was like, yo, if they do not score in the seventh, it's over. Yo, watch. I was like, all they gotta do is just get over uh Paul Schienes. I was like, that's it. Just because what I heard is that he's a beast ass pitcher. He's the best. So I saw his ERA, she was like 1.7. I was like, so that nigga's a beast. No, he's he's the best. So if they can get a hit off him, I was like, after that, I was like, this is where the game really starts now. Because now that they sat that nigga down, they putting other pitchers and all this other shit. Now they playing nervous. No, nigga. That last pitch, bro, broke my fucking heart, bro. I uh bro, this is why I don't even watch baseball. That shit was horrible.

SPEAKER_06 18:46

I thought the moment horrible call.

SPEAKER_16 18:47

It was like it was well below the not even close. I thought the moment where shit like really shifted was uh it was in like one of the earlier innings, bro, when fucking Tatis got thrown out trying to uh oh yeah, he tried to stretch trying to go to third because I'm like second on Judge. Because I'm like, bro, you'd had two base runners on with fucking Soto coming up, like Exactly, bro. The thing is, is like, bro, when you got a pitcher like Paul Skeens on the mound, bro, you can't give away out, bro. You gotta put pressure on and they had him on the rope.

SPEAKER_06 19:17

You know what? That was his worst inning. That was not even the home run. Exactly. That inning was his worst inning because they had they had somebody, this they had Tatis on first, and then Perdomo, I think it's the Perdomo got the hit. Yeah, I think. And then no, no, no, sorry. Tatis is on first, Marte got the hit. Marte puts a uh blue, uh like a single right in between, and Tatis tries to stretch, he's going to set, he's at second, obviously, but he tries to stress second to third. And I understand that if you if you hadn't seen Judge throw in the tournament, because Judge had the elbow injury. So if you did, if Judge hadn't made a throw in the tournament, that is a good chance to test him. Like, all right, let's see. Because he's not 100%, like he's gonna have to throw me out. I'm fast. Like, if he ain't 100%, he's not gonna throw me out. But we saw already in this tournament, he gunned somebody down already. So it's like, nah, no, no, his shit is back. Don't test him. And he's like, bro, he was out by a mile. It wasn't even close.

SPEAKER_16 20:13

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 20:14

And that was Aaron Judge's hardest throw in like three years. It was 97. He threw 97 miles an hour from right field to catch him at third. Like, he's back. The arm is back. Like, that's it. Don't like I don't, and then it's like you said, when you know, again, this is not Major League Baseball, it's not the Padres, it's Team DR. Like, Juan Soto is coming up to hit. Like, you can chill on second, my guy. Like, you can chill on. But to me, that wasn't Tatis's big Tatis' biggest mistake was that at bat in the seventh. Because you had a runner on, you had you had a runner on first and second, I think. And then because of a wild pitch, you end up getting runners on second and third with one out. And he proceeds to swing at three sliders that were nowhere near you, even if you would have touched them, there's nothing you could have done with them. And he swung at three or three.

SPEAKER_04 21:04

Bro, but that's the difference between DR and uh USA. DR was swinging for the fences, bro. The bottom of the lineup wasn't. They were going for hits. The top of the lineup was swinging to e plotaries a pelota.

SPEAKER_06 21:18

That's a fact. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:19

They were all swinging. That's why they wore a fiending, bro.

SPEAKER_06 21:22

And then the shit one thing should have swung was trying to hit home runs.

SPEAKER_04 21:25

The ones that should have swung at some shit that like, like, bro, that shit was down the fucking middle. Right in the in the whatever that shit is called, the box or whatever. These niggas was swinging. Bro, they was just swinging at anything, bro. And from there, I was telling Ashley, I was like, that's what's gonna fuck us up, bro.

SPEAKER_06 21:43

But that was their whole, that was their whole game plan throughout the entire tournament. Like, so it's tough. And it worked, though. It's tough to switch up. Like, before, and that's the thing. A lot of people said, Well, oh, that's what happens when you run into good pitching. One, I disagree with that because Venezuela had good pitch has good pitching, and and if you argue that. I mean, I don't know how because that same Venezuela pitching shut down USA two days later and won the whole tournament. So Venezuela had good pitching. The same guy who started for their final game is the guy who started against DR that DR beat Eduardo Rodriguez. Like, bro, Venezuela had good pitching not just from the starters, but they also had a good bullpen. And DR demolished them because fucking Eduardo Rodriguez. Because they they they when they played them there, it's like they were taking advantage of the strikes. What USA did that was better than what other teams did against them was they were using their aggressiveness against them. And that's what happened in that Tatisa bat. David Bednar basically was David Bednar was tracking his swing, the first couple pitches. And he saw, okay, this guy doesn't want to hit a double, he doesn't want to hit a single and score two runs. He is trying to hit a three-run home run. So what am I not gonna do? Is throw anything in the fucking zone. And if he expands, good. I'm gonna use it against him. And he got him to expand once, he got him to expand twice, and he got him to expand a third time at strike three.

SPEAKER_04 23:05

That sucks, bro. I hate that, but that's why I hate baseball, bro. I hate that shit. Bro, fuck it. Evan Longoria was no Evan Longoria. Yeah, Evan Longoria was at bat. What 2013, nigga? Boston Red Sox. They were just they were playing Oreos. That's not 2013, though. They won in 13. So 2014 or whatever, 2015. Whatever it was, Evan Longoria was at bat. Yankees was pitching. I don't even know who was it. Uh, who was it? I think who was pitching? I don't even know. But Red Sox was playing against Orios. Red Sox had to win the game. Orios won the game. Uh, if Tampa loses, they still make it. No. Yankees decided. Let me throw a 62 mile per hour fastball to fucking Evan Longorians.

SPEAKER_02 23:50

They put in, they they tested out their hobe open. And they had a scrub in the back that they were like, yo, just let's.

SPEAKER_04 23:57

Bro, that was the last time, bro. That's how you know I used to watch baseball, bro. That was the last time I watched baseball, bro. I was they put one of their worst results. Nah, nigga. And this is exactly what happened, and I feel like in the WBC, bro. That pitch, nigga, anybody from a mile away, bro. That's the shit that I hate about baseball. Shit is rigged. How you throw the ball and nigga, the catcher could just go like this, nigga. And the umpire would be like, sh! Like you catch it here, and niggas just bring it a reason.

SPEAKER_16 24:25

My bad. Yo, I was just thinking about that shit as you said it because this year something similar happened. I mean, you probably didn't watch it, but nigga, the Yankees and Blue Jays, I think, were like tied going into like the last weekend of the season.

SPEAKER_06 24:41

Yep, the last series of the year.

SPEAKER_16 24:43

Tampa Bay played all of their bums, nigga. Like they sat down every good player they had against who was it?

unknown 24:53

Who?

SPEAKER_16 24:54

Oh, against the Blue Jays.

SPEAKER_06 24:55

Yeah, against Toronto.

SPEAKER_16 24:56

Yo, they sat down every good player they had. And Toronto won.

SPEAKER_06 24:59

Because basically what happened was that the one we were tied going into the final series of the year, both teams. And all we had to do was Toronto needed to lose one. If we won all the games, Toronto just needed to lose one game. And Tampa Bay literally was like, we don't care. Like they so we won our last three games, but it didn't matter because Toronto also won their last three games because Tampa Bay was like, we don't care. God bless, enjoy the division.

SPEAKER_16 25:28

Niggas told fucking Caminero, yo, get out, bro. Go go.

SPEAKER_02 25:31

And it's not go on vacation. It's not to discredit the pain that you guys felt. Because at the end of the day, you guys made it to the playoff, right? Oh, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_16 25:40

It was a wild car too.

SPEAKER_02 25:40

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 25:41

Oh no, we we made it to the playoffs.

SPEAKER_02 25:42

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did it.

SPEAKER_16 25:45

No, no, no.

SPEAKER_02 25:45

I'm not saying it's the same thing.

SPEAKER_06 25:46

I'm just saying it's just funny though.

SPEAKER_17 25:48

It'd be like that. It's similar. Nah, it's just simple. It's not remotely. No, nigga. Uh Yankees lose. Nigga, that shit. That year the Red Sox lost. Nigga, it's like that.

SPEAKER_02 26:00

Oh, Red Sox lose. Nigga, you don't understand. I've never rooted for the Yankees until that day. One day you did. And Evelyn Goria will live in my mind. Yo, for fact. It's crazy, nigga. That nigga lived. It's not a home run. That nigga hit a tablet to left field, nigga. Nigga, that nigga hit that shit so bad. And it was a basis loaded. They were battled by like 20, nigga. We gotta research that shit. That was the hardest hit home run by that man in his goddamn career.

SPEAKER_04 26:31

And that was prime Evan Longoria, nigga.

SPEAKER_06 26:33

That was MVP. I know exactly what y'all talking about. This is the last game of the season. This was it wasn't 2015 or 14. No, it was like 11. This is early. It's like 2011, 2012, maybe. Um, but yeah, it was um lañalbate, nigga. That nigga didn't.

SPEAKER_04 26:48

It's unfortunate, but but that's that shit that that's what I don't like, bro. They gotta get like they baseball has to do better. Like how football has done, like, yo, you can see if that nigga touched the ground, his knees hit the floor before to see if it was a down or if it was a touchdown, if it was a flat. They are, they are.

SPEAKER_05 27:06

That was my argument.

SPEAKER_06 27:08

That was my argument with this tournament. They have the technology, it's actually gonna be implemented in this season, this year. ABS, automatic ball strike system, is being implemented in Major League Baseball this year, and it's been in the minors for years already. They already had the technology. For whatever reason, they decided for the tournament, no, we're not gonna use ABS. Which doesn't make it made no sense because when you look at that game, USA DR, it's like, I mean, how how different is that game if you know the DR hitters could have just stepped out and went like this and got the call corrected in the moment.

SPEAKER_04 27:42

I'm gonna be straight up with you though. Who was next at bat was Fernando Tadiz. The way Fernando Tadiz was playing, nigga, that game, nigga, we would have still lost.

SPEAKER_06 27:53

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_10 27:54

No.

SPEAKER_06 27:54

Here's why I don't think so. Fernando, it's true, he didn't have the best game, but you gotta remember this is ninth inning, two outs, and they have their this is it for US. Like, this is their best guy, and DR was the home team. So you have Tatis up with an opportunity to tie the game. Or he doesn't have to, again, it's it's it's earlier in the game. I get it, they're swinging for the fence, but in this moment, it's really just yo, tie the game, and then it's anybody's game, but it probably is our game. Because if they would have tied it and it goes to even if they don't walk it off right there in the ninth, if it goes to extra innings, who the hell was USA gonna put into pitch? They used every good reliever they had already. So all you had to do, if you tie the game off Mason Miller, the next dude coming in in the 10th, the bottom of the 10th, scrub school. Like it's over. It's done. The first pitch he would have thrown probably would have ended up in the seats. All you had to do was tie the game.

SPEAKER_02 28:51

That's all you had to do. And I know O'Neill Cruz is a monster. Yeah, but they should have never put him in. Uh left Austin Wells, bro. Austin Wells, bro. He saved us the last time. Not saved us. He hit he hit Mercy rule. He walked off.

SPEAKER_04 29:07

But the thing with O'Neill is that isn't he a walking strikeout on top and a walking home run?

SPEAKER_06 29:11

O'Neill, O'Neill's, he's he's one of the three true outcomes guys, but I think I disagree. I like I liked him pinch hitting in that moment because it was one out, and it's like, look, this is that that was Pooh's shot at walking it off. He's like, look, Mason Miller's on the mound. It doesn't matter who's in the box. Mason Miller can strike out any hitter in baseball. Like, there's not a hitter in baseball who Mason Miller cannot strike out. Like his stuff is that good. So it's like, even though O'Neill strikes out, it's like, yeah, he could, he, he could likely strike out. But if any, if anybody right now, between the options we have has a good chance of squaring this guy up versus Austin Wells versus Cruz, I put in Cruz. Yeah, for sure. Because if Cruz would have touched, there was one pitch that was down the freaking, he missed it. If he would have touched that ball, my brother, the game was done. That's it. DR would have walked him off right there. Bro, because he his bat speed is nuts. No, and that's this dude throws 100.

SPEAKER_16 30:12

I always just hate the logic of just taking a nigga off the bench and then putting them to be that and that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 30:18

He did it, he did it twice in the tournament, though. Came off the bench and hit a home run. No, no, I don't.

SPEAKER_16 30:21

I just hate it because it's just like, bro, how do you do it? Like they're major league off players. Like 101.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

It's part of the game, man. I'm not trying to discredit like what who he is, because that nigga's a monster. But my thing is, it's like, yo, bro, Austin Wells has been playing like he's never played in his whole motherfucking life. This nigga, I don't know if it's the fact that he started eating mango and like freaking started having some induca. Like that nigga.

SPEAKER_16 30:52

It's because he had breakfast with C's. It's like C's gave him some pointers.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

Yo, he's been, he was playing so freaking good. It's like, I understand like that moment as a coach, it's like, but then also you don't know if this nigga just because he's been sitting down for so long, if this nigga's like just cold, nigga, like they you're getting a nigga, bro. They're ready.

SPEAKER_06 31:16

No, but they have they have cages inside and stuff that they can go and take. You never like today in baseball, like a pinch hitter, it if they come off the bench cold, it's because they weren't prepared. But normally, you have everything at your disposal to come off the bench and be prepared for a major league at bat. And I think I honestly think in that situation, Cruz was probably the best option over Wells for Mason Miller. Also, Wells is lefty, right? So I that's what I'm saying. So I'm like, it when when I put it to when I put it like that, I'm like, okay, like I can, I can I can see it. Like his his numbers as a his numbers as a lefty against that kind of VLO, that kind of is not so I understood what Pooh's was doing there. My pushback with with the Pooh stuff was probably earlier in the game when Wells hit that that double, that leadoff double, and then you don't pinch run for him there, and then another hit, we got another hit, but he ended up having to stop at third. And it's like, bro, if you would have pinched hit, if you would have pinched ran for him there with like junior lake or something, you probably could have taken a shot at scoring there and might have gotten it because that throw that ended up coming into the plate was way up. Yeah, so if Austin Wells is there, yeah, he probably has a chance to get the throw, come back, and tag him. But if Junior Lake is running, Junior Lake has already crossed the plate. The game is tied.

SPEAKER_04 32:42

You know what saved DR a lot also against Korea, too? I think it was uh Korea or Venezuela was that they were risking it all to make it to home plate. They were playing like when we play in Little Lee's field, nigga.

SPEAKER_06 32:54

That we just all series long. I mean all tournaments.

SPEAKER_04 32:58

All tournament long.

SPEAKER_06 32:59

But here that was their gameplay. So then that was their gameplay. So this is where I come in. DX the base, be aggressive, like just push, push the knee. That's why they all swung for the fences, and when they were on base, they always just kept running.

SPEAKER_04 33:09

This is where I come in and I say that this shit is rigged. DR knew they already told them the commissioner told them, hey, listen, we gotta let uh Venezuela win for the independence and the fact that my Ludos in jail and all this other stuff. United States, we're gonna make it glorified because hey, you guys are USA, so you guys gotta win this one, alright? And we're you guys are gonna lose to Venezuela because it's just the most beautiful story, and then they're gonna go ahead and win it all.

SPEAKER_02 33:34

I feel like that's also where the US made the mistake. Now moving on to the actual championship game, real quick. If I would have been uh uh DeRosa, I would have saved Skeens nigga for for the championship game. And I get it. It's like you have to win that game in order to make it. But it was like, nigga, if I won something for sure, it's like, bro, I would have fucking like, bro, I don't know.

SPEAKER_06 34:04

McLean wasn't that bad. I just think, and not even for that, I just feel like the issue with the pitching was more having Tarek Scuba come to pitch a game in the pool and not pitch anything after that. To me, that was stupid. And I said it in the moment, like you're saying, oh, I'm gonna come, I want to play for my country, but you're just gonna pitch a game in the pool stage. They don't need you. Like the game, like the game, I forgot who he pitched against in the pool, in the pool. It might have been Great Britain or whatever. Some bum. They they don't need him against that team. They needed him in the elimination rounds. Like, that would have been when they most needed.

SPEAKER_16 34:36

I have no idea why this nigga goes. He pitched it.

SPEAKER_06 34:38

Or Joe, Joe Ryan. Like, Joe Ryan was apparently they they there was talks about he never he never ended up coming and pitching, but that's the issue is that USA, it just didn't seem like they cared. They didn't care as much as the other teams. And I know they pushed back on that, but I disagree. It just doesn't seem not the guys who went. I'm talking about just overall, there was a lot of people who were eligible and could have gone and they they had other things on their mind.

SPEAKER_16 35:01

Nigga, he pitched for USA, then he goes, he says, ah, yeah, I can't pitch no more. This nigga goes back to the Tigers and pitches to make a spring training start, nigga. You have your fucking country fighting for their lives, and you're pitching in a meaningless spring training game. And here's my thing throwing 60-something pitches, nigga, you could have thrown those 60 pitches for the United States.

SPEAKER_06 35:23

And and my thing is that shit ain't make no sense to me. Scott Boris saying, like, oh no, you know, you gotta protect yourself because you're coming into, you know, this is your free agent year and you're about to sign a record-setting deal for starting pitching. Yeah, that's beautiful. But the same way, the same way that you can get injured in the WBC, you can get injured in spring training. So teams aren't gonna look at it any different, like, oh, well, at least he got injured in spring training with his team and not in the WBC. It doesn't matter. He got hurt, they're not paying. That's how it's gonna go.

SPEAKER_16 35:53

It would have made sense if he would have gone back to the Tigers and maybe threw a couple bullpins, but not made a start. If they would have like slowed him down a little bit, because I know spring training, like pitchers, their schedule was weird. This nigga went back to the tigers and made his next spring training start, bro. No, no, they made that start against DR or whoever.

SPEAKER_06 36:09

When when people talk about it being rigged, I would say this. I don't think it was rigged for Venezuela to win. I think that was that was an aberration. I don't I I would tell you a thousand times that that's one of the last outcomes that they expected, and one of the last outcomes that they wanted. That like Major League Baseball and this tournament is engineered to grow the game and expand the market. And for them, I think the narrative this time around was USA's revenge. USA lost to Japan in 2023. This team was gonna be like their redeemed team, and that's why they got you know, Judge is gonna be the captain, and we got all the hitters coming, and we got Tariq School, and we got Paul Skeen. So they try to do their their version of this redeemed team, and their redeemed team got smacked around by Italy and then they lost to Venezuela in the final.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

I have to say that I love the concept of baseball when it comes to like these world baseball classics. Because even in like FIFA, like the World Cup of Soccer, like you know is gonna go one which way. Like is out of four teams that can possibly make it, right? Like to make it to the World Cup, which would be like Spain, uh, Argentina, um, France, and uh fucking uh what's another team? Germany, right? You would you would say, or Netherlands, right? But in baseball, like it's like Brazil also. Yeah, or or Brazil. But what I what what I'm saying, like, is like in the world baseball classic, like, it's like yo, it can go any way, bro. Like Japan, fuck around, bro. Even South Korea could fucking win. Like, it's like dumb niggas.

SPEAKER_06 37:50

Korea is like a big baseball country.

SPEAKER_04 37:52

Um Bro, Italy just obviously.

SPEAKER_06 37:55

To win though, to win it all, I would push back and say, like, I think the I think the team who's gonna win it all, right now at least, is always gonna be a baseball superpower. But there's all every WBC there's always a surprise. Like this this year it was Italy. Um there's always surprises.

SPEAKER_04 38:16

What shocks me, what shocks me is that is that is that like bro, USA was stacked, and yet even that is not enough to beat a Venezuela, to beat uh uh fucking Japan or whatever it is. Like, bro, even me that doesn't watch baseball, I know that Bobby Witt was on that team, Schwarber was on that team, Bryce Harper, Aaron Judge, like nigga.

SPEAKER_06 38:41

Roman Anthony.

SPEAKER_04 38:42

Like, bro, you see, those are people that I don't fucking know.

SPEAKER_06 38:44

I'm just Buxton.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

I'm saying like Will Smith, Kyle Raleigh, they had sees. I was like, yo, bro. Onslaught. Nigga, these are these. But I'm also mad. Oh, what was it when Roman Anthony uh uh hit the home run? Yeah, I was like, nigga, I'm happy and I'm sad, nigga.

SPEAKER_04 38:59

Yeah, no, it's it's like it's a it's a squad, bro.

SPEAKER_06 39:02

That's the thing, is it's it's one baseball game. And I think that's that's the beauty of the WBC. Once it gets to the elimination round, really, truly, anything can happen. Because in a series, Venezuela wasn't beating Team USA. Yeah. Like it's if say it was a it's I but I also would I would make the same argument for DR too. Like, if it was a series, USA versus DR, I think DR just has too much to not win that series. But when it comes to one game, it's like football. It's baseball, it's like it's and it's actually baseball, football, even basketball, like one game. I mean, anything can happen. It's just one game.

SPEAKER_04 39:37

I think that this is the year of the upset, though, right? Like you have that DR pitch that was like all the way down here was definitely, especially when the count was full, yeah. But that that right there decided the whole entire game. The shit with the Buffalo Bills that they they uh didn't uh uh what was it? What was the shit? It was a they it was a catch, uh, but they they didn't count it as a catch or whatever. Same shit with um there was another team. I think Ravens, who was it? What was the other team that in the NFL? The Bears. No, there was somebody else that they didn't make it into the into the the Super Bowl, same shit because they had the same situation that happened. Like it was a bad call at last second. Fuck, it was Buffalo.

SPEAKER_06 40:24

You don't want you don't I mean you hate when calls decide a game.

SPEAKER_04 40:26

But it it's just been a year, it's been a year of like bad fucking calls, bro. That's been deciding the story and the narrative of big time games, bro, like championship shit. Like we talking about Super Bowl. Super Bowl was whack ass shit because of what you fucking stupid two stupid ass calls that happened in the NFL. And then you have in the WBC, bro, everybody would have bro, DR would have smoked uh uh uh well we would have beat been uh beating um uh Venezuela because that's who we would have played, but we would have probably beaten whoever's like we would have been.

SPEAKER_06 41:05

I like to think we I like to think we would have won. I like to think we would have won that game again.

SPEAKER_02 41:08

You know why I I wanted like US to win bad, and I think I started talking to C's about it, but I never nigga that shit pissed me off. It was that dumbass nigga Garcia. All this shit like yeah, and at first I was like Rebecca try to make me see like you know, he's not wrong though, saying like, oh, he's not representing Latin America, he's representing Venezuela. I was like, yeah, but I guess because uh of the way niggas are supposed to act at a press conference and the things like it was like yo, that's some wild shit to say. But it was like whatever, I'll give him the yo, after he won the tweets that nigga was getting off. Yeah, nah, bro, this man is wild. He was like, yo, it's like uh it's like it to no fue para payre, esto no fue para erre. They're like, why the fuck you have to do that? No, no, no, no, no. He said he did the Latin America, but then he sent another tweet where he specifically mentioned DR and Puerto Rico. It's like you don't, nigga, like you a piece of shit for that.

SPEAKER_06 42:06

It's like he listened I think my Michael Garcia is a dude that is hilarious at this point because he might be the first time that I've seen a sore winner. Like sore losers I've seen my entire life. Hell, I'm the sorest of losers. But a sore winner? Like, my brother, you won and you won the MVP, and you were walking around with DR's name in your mouth. You mad that we spanked you that much? It bothers you that much that we spanked you. I'm sorry, brother. We're better. You can't beat us. You beat the U.S. and you won the tournament, but guess who you didn't beat? Us. And that ain't gonna change for another three, four years. So enjoy the win. God bless. Shouts out to Venezuela, you know what I'm saying? But all that shit he's talking, I'm at you just making yourself look crazy because you won and DR and PR, they still on your mind, brother. Like, just enjoy the win, but let's get it started. I got some new heat for y'all, man, this episode. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_14 43:02

I mean, are they gonna hear it in the fucking video? Yeah, they're gonna hear it. Let's stop. I'm a decent man from the city of Angels.

SPEAKER_06 43:07

Yo, City of Demons versus number this is the version number three, man. Oh, yeah, he switched it up. Yeah. Oh hey, this is this is City of Demons 3.

SPEAKER_14 43:18

I'm from City I'm gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_06 43:20

Oh, he got production now. Oh yeah. Shout out to my man Kyle Bethel. This is Jeddot's favorite artist.

SPEAKER_14 43:44

No more metro cards for the busts. I had going up.

SPEAKER_06 43:52

Nigga got Drake as a ghostwriter. You heard the lighter flag? Take a little way now.

SPEAKER_04 44:11

What about Craftford? Nah nah Steady of Demon is New York.

SPEAKER_14 44:20

Nigga be Diggers B D Did a lot. Niggas be jumped. Still gotta keep on. Keep on the biggest.

SPEAKER_02 44:29

I like the sensors violent. Yeah, that one is better.

SPEAKER_06 44:36

I shouldn't have loved it.

SPEAKER_14 44:39

Yeah, I love Nigga. That nigga had Drake right in there.

SPEAKER_06 44:43

Nigga did the Drake. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 23 of the Pi Show. You are now locked in, tuned in, 24. Remember, last week was the one soto episode.

SPEAKER_02 44:57

Even two, three would have loved how I do me.

SPEAKER_06 45:01

Respect that. Listen. Staying in the sports team, I wanted to bring this up last week, but we went we ran a little long and didn't have time to get to it. Um what were you guys' thoughts on damn Ataballo and his 83-point performance?

SPEAKER_02 45:19

Fuck that nigga.

SPEAKER_06 45:21

Fraudulent. Yeah, I'm I'm gonna say, what you what do you think, Momo?

SPEAKER_04 45:26

Um, I I think everybody has done their number when it comes to scoring. Like they everybody has done their fair shit.

SPEAKER_17 45:39

What, nigga? What is he laughing at?

SPEAKER_04 45:41

I don't know what's going on.

SPEAKER_17 45:42

It's just the way that he's niggas.

SPEAKER_16 45:45

I don't know.

SPEAKER_10 45:46

He sounds like this is the first time he is hearing that this nigga scored 83 points.

SPEAKER_16 45:52

Nigga's like, yeah, I think everybody just did does their job. There's no way this is the first.

SPEAKER_04 45:57

Yeah, there's no way he I know about Vam uh uh that he scored. This is a sports gambler right here. He knows. He might have made money that night.

SPEAKER_06 46:05

Nah, I'm for the heat. Um You bet you bet the under you bet the under that night. That's what that's what happened. He bet the under that night.

SPEAKER_04 46:11

Nah, but I feel like I feel like they all saw the deal. Kobe, they these niggas give him uh when it comes to to like let's say they pass 50 points. Yeah, the whole entire team is gonna make sure that they make it to 60, 70, or whatever. If same shit with Luca, when Luca dropped 60 the other night, same shit. Nigga, he's gonna get the rock. He's gonna have the ball the whole entire time. So I don't think it's fraudulent. I just think that the team is doing everything possible to make them niggas score the points. I'm not saying his fault. I'm not saying they didn't do that, but it's not his fault, it's the team's fault. No, no, but fraud, no, no, no, no, no, he was playing.

SPEAKER_06 46:49

I think the fraudulent claim comes from like when it's the very end. Like, and you you so you saw the game, you saw what they were doing. I mean, they were a coach, they were literally, they were literally fouling the Wizards to get the ball back with enough time for him to keep score. Like, that's also aside from just the foul, there's a point in the fourth quarter where they're up 30, yeah, and Bam Atabalio's still out there. Like, you gotta remember, like, like there's no footage of Wilt Chamberlain's 100, so I don't I don't bring that up in these arguments. But with Kobe's 81.

SPEAKER_04 47:21

It's like Tyler Hadterburn said the other day, niggas. Now I believe that Wilt dropped 100, bro. Yeah, I mean, it's true.

SPEAKER_06 47:28

When you see, when you see a performance like what Bam did and ends up with 83, it's like, okay. Like, I I guess Wilt.

SPEAKER_04 47:35

But I feel like they all do that, bro. Like, it's like you make sure that's the same.

SPEAKER_06 47:39

The Kobe game wasn't like that.

SPEAKER_04 47:40

I'm not saying, I'm not trying to talk shit about Kobe. I'm just saying. I'm not saying you are. I'm just saying that the Kobe game was not like everybody. Who was it that scored 70 last year? Was it wasn't it um Devin Booker? Uh Devin Booker or Jason Taylor?

SPEAKER_06 47:52

Devin Booker. Devin Booker.

SPEAKER_04 47:53

Um Devin Booker. Like, nigga, bro, they get in the ball, bro. They passing him the ball.

SPEAKER_06 47:59

I don't have a problem with a team running the offense through somebody who's otherworldly hot one night. That that's you're 100% right when you say that. In a basketball game, if you're playing, if you see that this guy, he's just on one, you get that person the ball. There's nothing wrong with him. He was sitting the whole entire third quarter, though.

SPEAKER_17 48:18

Who? No, he wasn't.

SPEAKER_04 48:19

Bam. Hell no. What are you talking about? Bro, it was the fourth. The fourth he came in and played. He did not sit. What are you talking about? He didn't sit the whole entire game. He sat a little bit, not the whole third quarter. I I uh I think it was like half the third. He was he sat half.

SPEAKER_06 48:33

Even if no, first of all, he didn't say half.

SPEAKER_04 48:35

And even if he did, and he didn't even score like that in the third. It was all in the fourth.

SPEAKER_06 48:40

No, it wasn't all in the fourth, Moise.

SPEAKER_02 48:41

He went into the fourth with already like 60 or 70. He dropped 40 points in one quarter.

SPEAKER_04 48:48

That's what that from what I saw. I saw that he dropped 40 in the in the fourth quarter.

SPEAKER_16 48:52

In the first quarter, he scored 31. I don't remember when he scored at the second quarter.

SPEAKER_06 48:57

Bro, I'm not again, I'm not, or I I won't, I can't argue with a team running the offense through somebody who's that hot. My argument is the bullshit that they were doing at the end of the game. One, you're up 30. The starters don't need to still be in the game. When you're up by that much, the starters don't need to be in the game anymore. Especially in today's NBA with all the load management shit and the protection of the players. Like, you don't play players in a situation where it's the fourth quarter, you're wit, you're winning by a lot, like to chase a record? Like, you don't do that. But they did it because they wanted him to beat this record. And then the fouling at the end of the game, that's inexcusable. I don't I don't know how anybody could argue.

SPEAKER_02 49:36

He had 40. What was it? It was a 42.

SPEAKER_06 49:39

He had 36, he was 36 of 43. He shot 43 free throws.

SPEAKER_04 49:45

He scored 31 in the first, 12 in the second, 19 in the third, 21 in the fourth.

SPEAKER_06 49:50

Yeah, he had almost 20 in the third, Momo.

SPEAKER_04 49:52

Nah, I swear, I swore he didn't. He probably scores.

SPEAKER_16 49:56

Nigga, my whole shit was, and what is the shit? Because a lot of people are saying, like, oh, you know, you blaming the heat and whatever. First and foremost, the Wizards are ass. The Wizards are spread butt cheeks ass. Like, them niggas is garbage. They're not trying to win. Like, they're fucking spreading.

SPEAKER_06 50:16

You ain't have to spread the butt cheeks. You ain't have to spread the butt cheeks. Nah, I feel like, bro. That was a lot.

SPEAKER_16 50:20

I feel like you gotta mention that.

SPEAKER_06 50:21

You're doing a lot.

SPEAKER_16 50:22

You gotta mention that, like that, that it's the Wizards. The reason you gotta mention that is because the Wizards are clearly tanking. These niggas traded for fucking Trey Young and whoever, literally, just to not play them. Like, nah.

SPEAKER_02 50:33

And we should talk about one day about the new rules about the teams tanking and shit.

SPEAKER_16 50:38

Yeah. So it's like the Wizards are not trying to win, right? So that's another thing, bro. When you go into the fourth quarter and you go up by 20, 25, against a team you know clearly is not trying to win at all, bro. Them niggas is just doing whatever. Like, sit yourself. Like niggas just comparing it to Kobe's shit. Nigga, Kobe's game was damn near tied at the end of the third quarter. That's what I'm saying. You can't compare that to a 20-point lead. You went into the fourth quarter with like a 15, 20-point lead against a team that does not want to win. They have Trey Young, who's basically an all-star, on their team, and they're just like, nah, he's not playing. They do not want the they do not want to fucking win. Nah, they're not trying to win. And the the reason I blame them is because they was doing stupid shit too. Like they was fucking triple teaming and fouling and doing dumb ass shit. That's just like, bro, what bro just do you want to do?

SPEAKER_04 51:31

Nah, where's the integrity too, nigga? Because whenever like any team, let's say if LeBron, if LeBron is playing whatever, I think it was uh the the Pacers or some shit. He was playing some fucking team. Uh who was it? It was Charlotte that year that fucking Melo dropped like 80, uh 7, 60 on them, and then Braun came the next game, dropped like like 50 or some shit like that. And then when they went up to Melo, he was like, damn, Charlotte, or some shit like that. Like he was like, fuck, they got him too. But it's like these teams don't want you to drop that, like break a record on my name. Like, you know, they dropped 83 on the Wizards, they broke Kobe's record, the second all-time uh most scored in a game. Like, so that that's what I said earlier. I said, that's the other team's fault. I don't think, like, bro, if you give me the opportunity to drop 83, nigga, 2K, uh, what's that shit? Damn, bro, what's that shit? My career, nigga? My player, yeah. If you give me the opportunity to drop 275 points in one game, nigga, I'm dropping 275 points. And I'm going A plus with it.

SPEAKER_16 52:36

So I think the shit where where it gets sticky in the game.

SPEAKER_04 52:38

And I'm doing a triple triple.

SPEAKER_16 52:39

The shit, the shit where where it gets sticky is like, bro, like, when it gets to the point, like towards the end of the game, that it was just clearly like, so these niggas was clear, they had no integrity, the Wizards. Towards the end of the game, it was just to the point where they just saw that niggas was just spamming, fucking just giving bam the ball. So them niggas like, alright, fuck it. We just gonna intentionally foul other niggas since y'all, y'all just trying to run up the fucking score and get him to 80, like what Momo's saying. But then the heat is just like, alright, well, y'all gonna do that. Now we gonna start intentionally fouling. And now we gonna start intentionally like missing free throws to try to get him the rebound. Exactly. At that point, you're just like, bro, what the fuck am I watching?

SPEAKER_06 53:20

When when they were doing that, it's like, bro, this is not even this is an NBA. This is NBA basketball.

SPEAKER_16 53:24

Like, you bet on like the like you bet on like the total score of the game or some shit, and you just see them doing that for the last two or three minutes, like, bro, this is not even basketball. There's like some shit niggas do, like kids do in the park. And that's what I'm saying. Don't get them the ball, just throw the ball at the rim and see if it bounces them. It's like, bro, and it's so, and then when you when you look at that shit, it's just like, bro, like nigga, that live bat must have been juicy, nigga.

SPEAKER_04 53:46

Damn, bro. Bro, the first time I should have caught that shit on the stride, bro.

SPEAKER_06 53:49

I mean, hell yeah, bro.

SPEAKER_16 53:50

Damn, nigga, I would've known. It's sad, it's sad to me, bro. The first shit I seen was that he scored 83, and I immediately that's another sport I don't watch no more, nigga.

SPEAKER_04 53:58

I don't watch that shit. I just watch like highlights, nigga. Basketball is entertaining.

SPEAKER_16 54:03

I do not be tapped into the NBA no more.

SPEAKER_04 54:05

Nigga, basketball ain't the same because it started with the All-Star game.

SPEAKER_06 54:09

It's a horrible product, bro. For me, for me, the NBA, I'll tell you like this, like, I watch Knicks games, and that's because I'm invested in the team. But like, I don't even at even with the Knicks, like this time of year, like I'm not going like bending over backwards to try to make sure I could get home in time to watch a Knicks. Like, I'm not doing that. For me, the season don't start until the playoffs.

SPEAKER_02 54:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 54:32

Like, NBA is like, it's cool in the playoffs. Like the regular season, these niggas, they don't care. They don't care. Like, you see, when you see the shit that we just witnessed with Bam Adabayo and that and that Fugazi ass record, like, you don't, that shit, they they don't care. Like, you got that record because they don't, nobody cares. Because the NBA is a joke now. And then the thing about it is like you you celebrating it, you putting out shirts, like, well, bam, Kobe. Like, get Kobe off that shirt. You're a joke. You you're not like, I don't care. You scored 83, good. You can celebrate it. Your girl can celebrate it, your mother can celebrate it. I don't celebrate it. I don't recognize it. If I saw you in person, I would tell you to you, I don't recognize it. I don't care. I don't care. It's a joke. It's a joke. It's a fake record. Like, now you ruined the record. Now, because that shit is fake. And it should have an asterisk next to it. If it was me, I'd put a big ass asterisk next to that shit. Because if you look at the last couple minutes of that game, that wasn't it, that wasn't even an NBA game. What the fuck was that? What was that? A regulation NBA game and both teams are intentionally fouling? Like, when have you ever seen that in the NBA game? And the reason behind it was a record to break a record? Like, bro, have some shit.

SPEAKER_04 55:50

That's how I feel like. I'm not arguing that niggas ain't gonna do that. I'm just saying that niggas was arguing in that chat too.

SPEAKER_06 55:55

Like, oh, nigga, of course niggas gonna do that. I'm not saying niggas is not gonna do that.

SPEAKER_04 55:59

Nah, nah, nah. But NBA's a joke, regardless, bro. NBA, like, bro, it's exactly what you said. Niggas a bad, like, a horrible product, bro. What the fuck happened to the NBA, bro? Like, honestly speaking, bro, like, there is nothing entertaining about it. There's nothing to watch. What, like, bro. You wanna know what happened to the NBA? It's like, bro, they're letting niggas like, what's his dick?

SPEAKER_06 56:20

I'll tell you what happened to the NBA.

SPEAKER_04 56:22

Bro, they they let this nigga. Two, three. Nah, bro, come on, bro. They're not gonna tell it. That's who I that's who I blame. I don't blame him, though, because that's who I blame. Bro, he was he grew up in the era that niggas was playing the way that he was. Every single time I he let this nigga pass another record.

SPEAKER_02 56:39

He hasn't that shit, like, oh, he passed, what was it? The other Robert Parrish for most games played. It's like, nigga, he's not doing shit. It's like he's so irrelevant at this point. Niggas is bullying that nigga. It's like, bro, I would just retire.

SPEAKER_06 56:53

Like, let's be real. Let's be real. You're a LeBron fan. You're telling me you still enjoy watching him play right now? I do, bro. He's he made mad dunks in the last game that he was playing against. Bro, I'm sorry. Like, he's not entertaining at all anymore. Like, I don't know, there's no redeeming quality about watching LeBron play at this point. And we know why he's still playing. It's just, I'm chasing records. That's it. That's the only reason he's still on the court right now. He's done everything there is to do in the NBA. The only reason he's still there is because he's chasing records. It's like this shit is you would talk about integrity. Where's the integrity there? Like, what are you doing? And on top of that, then you cost in one of the biggest franchises in the sport because you got them by the balls. The fucking Lakers, you got them by the balls. They can't even, they can't even, like, bro, it's just, it's, it's, it's, bro, they're number three seed.

SPEAKER_04 57:38

And what are they gonna do with that team? Momo, they're gonna win the ring. They're gonna win the ring? They're gonna win the ring this year?

SPEAKER_06 57:42

Probably. Who are they gonna be? They're gonna be OKC? They're gonna be OKC. Hell fucking no. You crazy? No way. They're not beating OKC. They're not beating Houston, they're not gonna beat Houston.

SPEAKER_04 57:51

They might beat San Antonio's basketball playoffs as long as Lakers is in. You're wilding, bro. You think they could be in? As long as Lakers is in, I watch basketball. You think they could be OKC? They can't even state in the state.

SPEAKER_06 58:04

Nah, he's really wilding right now. OKC. They can't be anybody, bro. OKC is crazy. You know who you know the Oklahoma City Thunder? The Lakers are beating that team. Yeah, they're gonna beat them.

SPEAKER_04 58:16

What they they only lost 15 times, bro. I don't know. They're about to lose three more times. Oh my god. They're about to lose 18 this year. I can't do this.

SPEAKER_06 58:23

I can't do this with him. It's like, bro, they're not beating OKC, they're not being San Antonio, they're not being Houston. Like, I'm sorry, I just don't believe in them. I haven't believed in them in years. The last time I felt good about the Lakers was the year after they won in the bubble. Like that good about the Lakers. I'm like, okay, yeah, like I like it. Like, bro, but they're not bad this year, though. They're not good either. They're doing well. Yeah, but again, they're number three. But what were we just talking about with the regular season in the NBA?

SPEAKER_04 58:48

Isn't that your favorite number, Jenna? Three.

SPEAKER_06 58:51

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 58:52

Gotta rule for the Lakers. For what?

SPEAKER_16 58:54

Yeah, I have to do that. Y'all have a favorite number?

SPEAKER_04 58:57

Yeah. Mine's is 23. I like Jordan. I love Jordan. Jordan was remember, I used to play you and 2K and I used to pick up the 96 Bulls.

SPEAKER_16 59:08

I always used to like number the number 23, too.

SPEAKER_04 59:12

So if you add two and three together, it makes five. My birthday's January 5th. If you manage two minus three is one, which was January 1st.

SPEAKER_16 59:22

Negative.

SPEAKER_04 59:23

January 5th.

SPEAKER_02 59:25

But I have a favorite number because of like athletes, like growing up, watching certain athletes. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_06 59:31

Like uh and also like So it's like it's not it's not a number, it's like a favorite. I got married on the 23rd.

SPEAKER_02 59:38

Yeah, so it's okay. For example, uh that's true.

SPEAKER_06 59:42

He did get married on 23rd.

SPEAKER_02 59:43

Uh what is it? Who's the 23rd?

SPEAKER_04 59:46

Me.

SPEAKER_06 59:46

Whoa. You got married September 23rd.

SPEAKER_02 59:49

It's like, but for example, who is it? Uh like A-Rot. Like when A-Rod was coming up, bro, it was like AI too. Huh? AI. Yeah, yeah. Freaking uh uh who else? Harper wears three now. Harp, uh fuck Harper.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:03

Nah, yeah.

unknown 1:00:04

Nah.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:04

Babe Ruf wore three.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:06

Uh see, now I'm about to not like that number. I forgot about that nigga. That nigga's a rat. But my thing with the whole uh uh BAM shit, it's just bro, I think it's too soon. Especially when you it was already a blowout, and it and this is where the whole conversation of integrity also goes, like it's it's a thing for me. Because, bro, Kobe just passed away. Granted, it's been a couple years, but you know what he meant to the NBA. You know what that record meant for uh uh like means, you know, especially now that uh after his passing. And it's like you gonna go and pass 81 off of bullshit, like trying to freaking like doing all the shit that you did in order just to say, hey, I passed that number. Bro, you could have been comfortably at fucking 79 or at 80.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:59

Yeah, and he should just do it again if he really wants to solidify it.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:03

Right there in third place, which wouldn't have been, which wouldn't have been nothing to sneeze at. But here's my thing, and I don't mind again, because uh in the group when the group chats that me and Zay is in, uh, this one dude was like, nah, it don't matter, whatever. But obviously, you know, LeBron fan and Kobe hater, so he was just he was very happy that.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:20

Nah, but I respect Kobe's 82, bro. Not you. I'm talking about. Nah, but I'm saying, like, I'm a LeBron fan, nigga, but LeBron never did that. No, no, I know I know I know you respect it. Kobe's 82. I know you respect it.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:32

But there's a lot of there's a lot of there's a lot of LeBron fans that exist that are Kobe haters and celebrated this simply because he broke Kobe's record. And my issue isn't so much like even even with Jadot saying, oh, that is too soon. Like, I don't I don't mind it. Like, here's my thing. If it would have been like Shay, or it would have been like Devin, or it would have been like Jason Tatum, it would have been like Luca or some, like, even if it would have been like LeBron, I'm I'm not, I don't, I don't know that I would be as upset if if they would have done it the right way. Like they just what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:04

It's not a matter of it's it's being too soon be and because of the way it was. How they did it. Yeah, it's like you you just did it just to say, hey, I did it. It's like it was there was no integrity in it. It's like, bro, like nigga, he could have done it himself. And they say, but if it was a uh uh a fucking tight game, like niggas was there, like battling it out. It's like a bro, like whatever, you earned it. It's like you had to do it in order, but nigga, you didn't have to do it.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:32

I mean, LeBron's the most fire thing he could have done was somebody at 80. When LeBron saw him in the first, he was like, Oh, he's going for it. He's definitely going for 80.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:42

Imagine LeBron would have said the next day, like, yeah, I saw him in the first. I said, Oh, he's oh he's breaking code right now. Nigga, my shit, my shit. He's going for it.

SPEAKER_16 1:02:49

Oh like when niggas talk about it and they say, Yeah, bro, but that, you know, that's where his team's supposed to do passing the ball. Like, my shit is like, bro, I completely respect that. Like, his team is supposed to do that. But you gotta understand, once it gets to the point where it's like, bro, they're triple teaming him, they're fouling, that's when you as a team just be like, all right, bro, it's clip. We're at 76, we're we're not gonna get it. Like, it gets to the city.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:12

And we're not, we're not gonna do it, like we're not gonna do it like this.

SPEAKER_16 1:03:15

Bro, they're throwing these football passes across the court. This nigga's like passing the ball, jumping, taking shots over three niggas, and then you've seen them do this, and they're already up like fucking 20. It's like wild. And then so after I seen that, I'm I went back and I'm looking at this shit, bro. I looked at the last time Luca scored 60, I looked at uh when when Devin Booker scored 70. Like, bro, these are competitive games to the end. When Devin Booker scored 70, they was down like 10. And he just kept taking threes, which is what you're supposed to do. Nigga, you're down, you have to take threes. Trying to win the game. Bam is shooting over three niggas, and you just see his team just like getting the ball, just looking for him throwing. Like, and I understand that, but I'm just like, bro, all right, bro, they're triple teaming him next. It's clipped, it's over.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:59

You got 79, that's it. Like even Kobe's last game where he dropped the 60, they were losing to the Utah Jazz, bro. They were losing.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:07

That's why he was trying to definitely saw that game.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:09

Like, bro, that's my thing. Even the other night when Luca dropped 60, bro, it wasn't no cheesy, they weren't like intentionally fouling so Luca can get the 60. No, Luca was cooking. That's why he got the 60, because he was cooking. Okay, that was his last game, too, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:23

Oh, Kobe 60.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:24

Yeah, his last is it wasn't just the last game. It was to make it into the playoffs. Utah needed to win that game.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:31

Oh, Utah needed to win that game. They needed to win that game to make it. The Lakers were out. They weren't going to the final.

SPEAKER_16 1:04:35

Funniest shit about that year, and I might have this shit completely fucked up, but I remember I think that game was on the same day that uh Golden State was trying to break the 73 and 9 record. And I think both the games was on around around like the same time. I remember because I was like flipping back and I was like, shit, bro, this is Kobe's last game. And I'm like, shit, this shit's history. And I was like, but I'm thinking like that might have been one of the last times where the NBA was like super entertaining like that. No, that was it. That was where it's like, yo, you can't even decide which game to watch because so much shit was in the world.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:09

Now you don't deal with that. But that's where I come in, bro, and I and I say, like, bro, even though I get it, it was very entertaining, but we can't say that everything is on Braun, bro, because Braun, those years, bro, because Kobe, I give Kobe his flowers, bro. I joke around and I talk mad shit, nigga, about Jordan to piss niggas off. But nigga, it's not on Braun's fault, bro. Cause those years from 2010, whether he went with the Heats or not, or whatever, doing this big ass ESPN reveal that he's leaving, regardless, from 2010 to 2018, 2019, that nigga was giving a performance. Golden States and wherever Braun was was giving a performance every single year. No one was really tired of seeing them back to back to back to back to back. In the finals.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:00

No, we weren't.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:01

It was it had NBA really, everybody was watching it, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:05

But that's not that's not when I say when I say that this is LeBron's fault, that's not what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:09

Now, what I'm what I say what you're trying to say about the shit with Braun is that Braun is stat chasing. Yes, that is true. I feel like he's doing that too, right? Well, you're 41 years old, nigga. Why are you still in? But is he not playing still very well, though, as a 41-year-old? He's paying better than niggas at his 20. He looks like famous card.

SPEAKER_14 1:06:29

No, he's not.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:29

Bro, he is. I'm not saying that he's paying better than Anthony Edwards. I'm not saying he's paying better than fucking Luca.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:34

Is he playing better than anybody making comparable money to him?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:40

I mean, the thing, the thing is that the thing is that he has Luca. He's passing him the Rob. His whole team is contributing.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:47

No, I agree with you. But the short answer to that question is no. That's my problem with the broad.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:53

Let's ask a real question. If his team was not performing the way that they were, would he not, like, would he not drop 25? Would he not drop 30? And we've seen it year after year, though. Year after year. I'm talking about right now that's a good thing. Right now, the whole starting five drops 15 or more.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:14

Do you know what I've seen LeBron do on an NBA court this year? I've seen LeBron make mistakes that he never made in his career. Do you know why? Because he's old and he's not the same player anymore. And he's making the money of some. I mean, literally, like, you got the Lakers cap tied up so that you can stat chase. Like, I get it. I understand, okay. You want to do it, do it, fine. My biggest issue with LeBron is not even necessarily what he's doing now. I'm saying that what we're seeing right now, the product that we're seeing right now, I blame on him. Once he took the reins of the NBA and had the NBA by the balls, that was it. That was it.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:51

We lost it. I really hope this man retires, bro. Because the slander on that man's name, bro. He's not gonna be able to do that. It's just it's just nah, nah, nah. I really feel like he just needs to retire, bro. Because that nigga would never that nigga will never receive the respect that he deadass deserves, bro. Regardless.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:09

I don't see how I'm disrespecting him. I I'm not disrespecting anything that he's done in the game. What I what I am saying is he is the reason that we have the version of the NBA that we have today. This is a product of LeBron James. The moment that LeBron decided that he was bigger than the team and bigger than the league, and he walked around waving it in the air everywhere he went, that was the end. That's it. When we had a show so that you could announce what team you were signing on, what do you think the kids watching were thinking of? Oh, I'm gonna do that. When he decided I'm teaming up with Dwayne Wade and Chris Boss instead of playing against them, what do you think the next generation was looking at?

SPEAKER_04 1:08:48

But the NBA, but that's my thing, though. The NBA wanted that, bro. The NBA, ESPN wanted that. And he fell for the bait because he's still a young nigga. What do you mean?

SPEAKER_06 1:08:58

The NBA wanted what the water was.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:59

No, I'm saying, bro, no, no, no. I'm saying that stopped Kobe saying that marketing. What I'm saying is that marketing, ESPN, whatever fucking news outlet for fucking sports, wanted him to do this. For ratings. I don't think I don't think ratings, yes. Of course, bro. And then did it do it? Did it do its job negatively and positively? Oh, it got the ratings. A lot of niggas still went to that Cavaliers game to burn jersey, to say fuck you, to do whatever. But that stadium was packed. Why? Because LeBron was there. Regardless, bro, regardless, he had to do some shit. But your point that they fucking his point. No, but what I'm what I'm saying, bro, he that 2010, 2011, LeBron was on demon time. He wasn't some trash ass whatever nigga.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:48

That's my favorite version of LeBron. It doesn't change the fact that him going there and doing that changed the landscape of the NBA as we knew it.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:55

But that was the moment. I don't think that what I'm saying is that I think that the NBA just decided to go that route. From that moment on. The NBA.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:02

LeBron James decided to call Dwayne Wade and Chris Boss and said, let's team up in Miami. Who's the the NBA? Who decided that? That was LeBron. That was LeBron. LeBron. He called Dwayne Wade and Chris Boss and Kobe. Let's team up. When he went back to Cleveland, he wasn't going back unless Kevin Love came with him and team up with Kyrie.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:21

At the end of the day, Kobe was way bigger than Braun at that time. Kobe was way bigger. What are you talking about? Time of the decision? The time of the decision. Kobe wasn't bigger than Bron.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:32

He just won a chip.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:33

Didn't he win in 2009? He won in 2010. Yeah, or 2009. One of those two. But yo, it doesn't.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:39

What I'm trying to say is that Kobe was bigger than him, and yet the transition had already begun.

SPEAKER_06 1:10:45

Kobe had already passed the torch. It was this was this was LeBron's league at this point. And that was the decision he made.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:55

I'm just saying, bro. I just I just feel like I feel like all the slander and all the shit on that, nigga, bro. The NBA also should be. And I fuck with it. I get it. I get it. I'm just trying to be like with me. And it sucks because that I am I'm a fan, nigga. That's one of my favorite athletes. Right. Like, I'll defend the nigga for the death of me. But the problem is that what I'm trying to say is just like, bro, let's be honest, my nigga. That that wasn't him. Yeah, it could have been him. He probably orchestrated it in some way, some sort of manner. But the NBA never allowed people to, I guess, do this shit like on some college basketball. Oh no, I'm going to Yukon. No, it's actually gonna be dupe. Take off your hat. And this is they planned this shit. They knew the media that was behind them. The the the fucking the amount of people who followed him. They thought he was gonna be the next Jordan. They created, they morphed him into being that man. Because the right story for LeBron, honestly speaking, and this is just me kind of speaking from the heart, bro. The actual shit way that LeBron should have played out this story was always gonna be perfectly perfect if he would have stayed in Cavaliers. Because he's from he's from Akron, Ohio. Akron, Ohio. So my thing is, why did he leave? What happened? He should have never left.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:09

This is why he left, right here.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:11

Yeah, he was chasing the ring. Rocks. That's why he left. He was chasing the ring. But this is something that we yo, bro, if they fucking make what's that shit called? That that the documentary that they do for all players after they retire, 30 for 30. We're gonna probably hear for the first time ever LeBron say that it was the league that probably told that nigga, hey, listen, that'll never.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:32

30 for 30 is ESPN. Come on. Come on, brother.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:35

Bro, because it's like it's like, bro, I don't know, bro. Like, it's like okay.

SPEAKER_06 1:12:40

You want to put it, you want to take away some of the onus off LeBron and say that people. That's that's the reason precisely why I blame LeBron is because I don't think that anybody has ever made him do anything in his NBA career that he didn't want to do. Everything that he has done has been what he has wanted to do. Even his agent walks around doing shit that he other agents could never freaking get away with. You got Rich Paul on a podcast this season talking about trading active Lakers play. Like, who gets away with this shit? LeBron and his people. LeBron is on a couple years ago, he's injured, can't play, supposed to be on the sideline with the rest of his team. He's up in the owner's box drinking wine with the owner. Who does this shit? LeBron. LeBron. And what I'm supposed to say, oh, that's cool, because he's LeBron. No, fuck out of here. I don't care who you are. Jordan didn't do it, Kobe didn't do it. Who are you? Oh, I'm the chosen one. Man, choose these nuts, man. No.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:38

These niggas paved the way for this nigga to be as arrogant as he is, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:42

But that's why I disagree. How did they pave the way for him to do this? And they didn't do that.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:49

I mean, they opened up the path for all the publicity that came behind fucking Jordan. Okay, fucking God on Kobe. No, that I got on chasing a player.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:58

The NBA has been filled with great players. And it goes before Jordan. Magic and Bird, the NBA was dying. And they got Magic and Bird, and Magic and Bird revived it. It became, it was playing.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:09

So why does this shit sound like a Naruto fucking episode? Why what I mean by that, why is it that everybody has the same storyline as fucking Naruto and Sasuke? Do you know what I fucking mean? That that the the mother of all chakra, the two sons, they had the same situation. One was evil, one was bad. So what I'm trying to say is like, why the NBA had a Magic and a Larry, a LeBron, uh Jordan, and uh who else in that time? All right, so Jordan, because the NBA was why is it that whoever he went against was the villain? Every decade, the the NBA is dying. Why is it? So they oh Larry.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:48

Because they keep getting it wrong. They keep giving too much power to the players. Exactly. So, bro, so that's why. That's why they keep and then what's gonna happen now? What do you think is gonna happen right now? What we are witnessing right now is the precursor to the next person who's gonna do the same thing.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:04

Exactly. So it's dumb who writes that story. And they give the power, bro. They give the buttons. I don't think it's Kobe. I don't think Kobe gave the Thomas Jordan.

SPEAKER_06 1:15:13

It doesn't absolve LeBron for doing shit like the decision and teaming up and creating that super team in Miami. Can I just want to give him a leaving Cleveland twice high and dry? It doesn't absolve LeBron from all the freaking backdoor dealings, trading player. Like he come to a team and then players that have been there put in time and he's like, yeah, get this dude out of here. I need to win a ring. Like he ain't like, bro, like this is people.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:38

This is what I'm trying to say, right? LeBron James is a nigga that grew up in Akron, Ohio. Poor ass nigga, whatever. He comes into the line, like, oh my god, he's gonna be the next Jordan. All this other shit. Boom, boom, boom, boom. It wasn't Kobe that passed the baton. It wasn't Jordan that passed it to Kobe. It wasn't Magic John. It's the NBA. They orchestrating it. This is a novela. Okay, so that's how I feel like, bro. Because why is it that now they're passing the baton to a new fucking player?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:02

Because they need the ratings. The thing is that when you go and who's the player right now? There's nobody right now.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:08

I'm trying to put as Anthony Edwards. That was as good as Shay is GA.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:12

As good as Shay, as good as Shay is, it's not him. As good as Anthony Edwards is, it's not him. So what's happening?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:18

There is no next guy. So what's happening? What's happening to the NBA? Genuinely. It's going down, it's plummeting. Yes. So what are they going to do? Somebody, somebody's worse.

SPEAKER_06 1:16:28

Because now you're plummeting. It's not like in the 70s when you were plummeting because there's no money and stuff like that. It's not like that. Now there's more money than it's ever been. The game is more global than it's ever been. There's more stars than they've ever had. They got everything. And they still suck because the product sucks. Now, when I talk about the product sucking, it's that's not just LeBron's fault. Steph Curry got a lot to do with that too. I'm watching in Golden State. I'm watching 30 teams night in and night out chuck up three after three after three after three. There is no mid-the mid-range game has completely died. It was buried. We should have had a funeral. Nobody told us, but it died. Nobody does that anymore. My son Brunson trying to bring it back. It's like, and then, and then, I mean, in the paint, forget about it. Like the big men that you have, they all trying to shoot threes. What's this nigga name? They all trying to shoes. I mean, Kat, Kat is my guy. My brother, I need you in the paint. Nah, man. I'm on the line. I'm on the perimeter. Like, what's up? It's like, brother, everybody is shooting. Every team is trying to be go to the game.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:31

The nigga from Houston Rockets, uh, set Segon or whatever. Alper and Sengun. Whatever that nigga name is. He tried to coach fucking KD the other day, nigga, to how to how to pretty much play ball, bro. Nigga, and nigga was just chucking threes from left field, bro. That's the game now. And it's just like, but bro, but that's what I'm trying to say, bro. Like, I get it, bro. LeBron, you older, you you you are the like the leader of the NBA because you supposed to be the greatest player of this time right now. And all the decisions that you've been making, all the shit, you're influencing these younger niggas to do stupid moves that way, and it's not working. It doesn't have the same feel, the same power, right? Because as much as it pisses niggas off that LeBron is sitting with fucking uh uh uh Genie or what's her name? Genie Bus. Genie Bus uh sitting up there in the fucking in the suites, drinking your fucking wine. It don't hit the same nigga when you see fucking John Moran sitting in the fucking. But that's my that's my shit. Is that he can't do it. They've given Leeway for LeBron to act this way. They know that you can't bring alcohol into a stadium, but yet LeBron brings his own tequila bottle and puts it to the side. Yep. They allowed him to do this. They have him or his own wine, but for some weird reason, people are attracted to that. People get mad, people start talking about it, people start shitting on him. Bro, this dude caught a big thing.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:57

On the team jet because Pat Riley took his cookies away. This is this is who we're dealing with. Pat Riley. Pat Hall of Famer, Pat Riley. Legend. He, like the the man who who made the Heat what they are. And LeBron was like, oh, you're gonna take my cookies on the plane? All right, I'm going back to Cleveland. Like straight up. And look, it's funny. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say I can't laugh at it, but it's like, let's, let's, let's call the spade a spade here. This man is diabolical.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:26

But but nigga, but bro, bro, but niggas live for that story though, bro, because at the end of the day, he went and won two chips. Yeah, he lost the he lost one with against uh the Mavericks or whatever. But he won his two chips, went to Cleveland, and won a chip roll. But niggas love that story, bro. That year he had the NBA by the fucking nuts. The East could not make it to the fucking finals. Nobody. No, for a decade. Many niggas in that decade never made it to the finals. That were great ass teams, great ass players. And it that's what bothers me about the whole situation with Braun, bro, because it's like, nigga, yes, he is who he is. Yes, he did whatever he did. Bro, I was like, bro, bro, give the nigga some some shoot him some bail, bro. He had this shit entertaining. Because as much as you hate him, you still tuned in and watched that fucking Cleveland finals. You still watch the Cleveland Cavalier game.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:22

I feel like I'm gonna watch the finals, whoever's in the finals.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:25

No, no, no, but I'm saying that you will still tune in to see how horrible or how bad he's doing. I'm not saying you, because I know nigga, you just you a sports addict. You like sports. You don't hate brawn. I don't root for players.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:36

I hates brawn. I don't root for players to do bad. I can't. And that's not who I can't do.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:40

I know, I know that you not, nigga, you you just speaking as a fan of the sport, right? Jada, same shit. He loves the sport, but Jedan also hates Braun. But it's not to that magnitude where niggas genuinely, bro, at the end of the day, bro, you still turned on the TV to watch a game of Braun.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:58

Master We had to watch him. When he was in the Heat. Finals or not. I'm saying like playoffs or not. When he was in the Heat, yes, I watched all the games. Not because D-Wade. Yeah, but the D-Wade. I was a Heat fan for a while. That's why I was tight when he came to play.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:15

But when they went 28 games straight, nigga, were you not tuned in, whether it was with D Wade or not? But that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:22

No, no, no, no. Because that nigga, when he was about to become the great, uh, what is it, past the all-time score? I didn't give a shit. Because I don't, I, I don't, I, I don't like the dude. So I'm not that for me doesn't like, oh LeBron, he broke the record. Because I'd in the end, break all the records you want. At the end of the day, nigga, you couldn't help all you all these teams that you've been on. It's like you helped, yeah, you won a couple championships. That's it.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:44

It's just what bothers me is that how we go from Bam 83 to poor Braun. You brought it up. Did I really? Yeah, I did it.

SPEAKER_06 1:21:53

We were like, we were off it. We were off it. We were off it already. And I my I said, well, you said you said, I don't know. And I was like, you want to know whose fault it is? I blame LeBron. And you, and then we moved on. Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:04

It's like poor Braun, like, how we land here.

SPEAKER_06 1:22:06

I got another, I got another sports type. So for those people that don't like sports, y'all sick this episode. But this one is interesting. Jalen Rose uh made some interesting comments recently. He said that only black-led sports have a salary cap, and he claimed that this is somehow like a residue from slavery for black players. So I want you to, um I'm gonna play the clip and then we'll react to it. Oh my bad, my bad, my bad, my bad.

SPEAKER_13 1:22:40

First off. So that's basketball and football. Those are the only sports with salary caps. Baseball, golf, NASCAR, tennis, you can keep naming, but they do not have a salary cap. That's the first thing. Holy shit. The second thing is they have no after-high school restrictions. And so that's a that's a residue of slavery is because we're gonna get money off of you for multiple years for free.

unknown 1:23:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:14

So why don't the black people play baseball?

SPEAKER_06 1:23:16

So here's my thing. One, the baseball argument is cool, but I mean, there's a CBA negotiation coming up after this season, and that might not be the case after that. Um baseball has like the equivalent, though. And black people, black people play baseball.

SPEAKER_16 1:23:30

Baseball has no cap.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:31

No, baseball doesn't have a salary cap.

SPEAKER_16 1:23:33

But they have like a luxury tax. Like the luxury tax is basically like the owner's.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:39

For 25 teams, the luxury tax might as well be a cap. Put it like that.

SPEAKER_16 1:23:42

Yeah, because they can't spend.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:43

There's 30 teams in the MLB, and 25 of them treat the luxury tax as if it's a cap. So it might as well be a salary cap. Basically, excuse me. The argument that he made though, that were where he made the reference to slavery is that the after-high school thing, players coming in on rookie deals, they have that so that they can make money off of the players without having to pay them before they hit like free agency and stuff like that. Um yeah, uh, that's that's that's what he said. He he he compared it to it says a residue from slavery.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:18

Bro, what I'm gonna do is then why don't they just play soccer then?

SPEAKER_16 1:24:22

But I feel like baseball also does that too. Minor league is they make shit money. Minor league mental arbitration.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:29

Football, football, American football is not a black sport, it's an American sport.

SPEAKER_06 1:24:34

No, but he's saying black, led, like, okay, so when you look at sport, when you look at the NBA, you look at the black.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:38

How many more black people is playing?

SPEAKER_06 1:24:40

No, no, no, no, no. Lead, lead. When you look at the NFL and the NBA, like, who moves the needle in those in those sports? Right now, is black players. The NBA, there's no argument, right? The NFL is you could you could kind of make the argument and be like, well, you know, you there's some guys, but like, bro, the NFL, once once black, once black players. Once black players started to get a hold on the quarterback position, that it was curtains. Because they already had all the skill positions. They already had running back, they already had wide receiver, they had that. They just needed to get, yeah, they just needed to get quarterback. They needed to find a way, and they broke through in a big way. Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurts, I mean, Lamar Jackson. Like that. Dak. Dak, yeah, bro. I mean, so they NFL is a black-led sport. And the NBA is obviously a black-led sport. Baseball, it's not a black-led sport, but it's a minority-led sport. So I don't feel like, yeah, I just feel like the thing about what him saying baseball just shows me he doesn't have a, he doesn't, he lacks the knowledge to speak about baseball that way. Because literally, the biggest, the biggest player in baseball, the most marketable player in baseball, and the best all-around baseball player is from Japan. He's not American. The second, you can make the you can make the second best player. I don't think you can argue that he's the second best, he's the best hitter, but he's the second best overall, identifies as a black man, Aaron Judge. Um, the third best player is Juan Soto, a Dominican. I mean, I can go down the list. It's gonna take a while before we get to a white guy. I'm just I'm gonna be real with you. Um, the pit the best pitchers in baseball right now just so happen to be white, Tarek Scuba, Paul Skeens. Um I don't know. Uh but like, yeah, I don't I don't but I don't look at Otani as a white guy. He's Japanese. Like, and and and Yamamoto, one of the best pitchers in baseball, he's Japanese. Uh, but then go around. I mean, Freddie Peralta, Luis Castillo, those guys are Dominican.

SPEAKER_02 1:26:28

Uh I just think that like even him mentioning the whole high school thing, like, this shit was implemented recently. It wasn't like the NBA for years, you could come out of high school and you can join. So it's like, I don't understand what the hell, like, it's almost like he was reaching.

SPEAKER_06 1:26:43

He's saying that they're saying that they don't want to pay them, but that's the other thing, too, is like, I you know what, and I'm not even gonna, I'm not even gonna because I don't have the exact number, but like, yo, we're gonna be responsible here, and I'm gonna I'm gonna literally pull it up because this is what you're comparing to slavery. You're comparing people that make this amount of money to slaves. This is this is where you lose me when you make an argument like that.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:07

This whole rookie contract is what keeps the the Hispanic and black community always feeling like they're gonna be uh like with that slave mentality, bro. That idea that we we we're slaves, bro, because it's like exactly so listen to this, right?

SPEAKER_06 1:27:27

For the NBA, and I'm sorry to cut you off, but I just want to I want to show you because Jaden Rose heavily he mostly covers primarily the NBA, right? So let's talk about the NBA rookie contracts, right? Uh number one pick will average about four years and fifteen to sixteen million dollars a year in those four years. A mid first round pick is gonna get between four and eight million a year on average. A late round, late first round pick comes into the NBA making two to four million dollars a year. Millions, people. Millions. Estimated across all first round. About 20 to 30 million total. About five to eight million on average for first rounders out of college. So they not even the high school rule, okay, no more high school, but you go to college or whatever. And if you go in the first round, you're still making millions.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:14

That's akin to slavery. How? But that's that that's like what's show me the slave that made millions of dollars. I need to meet this guy.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:20

This is where I come in and I say the whole entire shit with this victimization mentality because niggas is just always talking about yo, we slaves, always ourselves. Was it a choice? It's like, bro, nah, bro, because my thing, my thing is just like, bro, how do we revert back to slavery in every fucking conversation? If that nigga, if those are black-led fucking sports, then teach your son how to play fucking soccer so he could get a La Migne Yamall fucking contract. Or do what? Do what? Do what teach him how to get golf contracts. I was gonna say, do what do what Tigers people did.

SPEAKER_06 1:28:55

Nah, you playing golf. Or or King Richard with Serena and Venus. Nah, we playing tennis. No, no, nigga.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:01

That little black, that little black Dominican nigga grew up and said, nah, I'm gonna play baseball. I'm gonna play football. I'm gonna play basketball. But it was mom's choice. Or dad's choice. Like, yo, teach him how to play some golf.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:15

I won't I see. Talk about baseball. Jason Dominguez. When he signed with the Yankees as an international free agent, his signing bonus was five million dollars. Is that that's not enough?

SPEAKER_04 1:29:27

Because Lomingo Mom gets a big ass contact.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:29

16-year-old from the island.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:31

No, that's not enough, though. Here's five million. Like, my brother, what do we slavery?

SPEAKER_06 1:29:35

That's not enough.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:36

I need some of that slavery.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:37

That's not enough.

SPEAKER_06 1:29:38

It's like that, that, that, that meme with the dude that's like, this that new slavery? I need that. Give me that. Like, for real. That's what it is. Enslave me. Like, what are we talking about?

SPEAKER_17 1:29:48

I got bills.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:49

And then just going back to the whole luxury tax thing, it's like, bro, could you imagine if like, like, we were just talking about LeBron. Yeah. Imagine if like there was no salary cap. A nigga like LeBron, you would have to give that nigga a billion. Yeah. That's it. A billion dollar.

SPEAKER_06 1:30:08

For the money that he brings into a team, it's a billion. That's when the conversation starts go crazy. It's like Which is why the sponsorship should go so high. His deal, his lifetime deal with Nike, they've never released it. They say NDA, whatever. But it's widely speculated that it's a billion, it's over a billion.

SPEAKER_02 1:30:25

Yeah. And it's like, because the thing is, imagine like contract negotiation time comes. The player is gonna sit there and say, like, yo, I've made you X amount just on say on uh sales of my well with my name on it. Jersey. It's like the people coming here have come because of me. It's like I just uh uh I'm averaging over fuck like a Luca, for example. It's like I'm averaging over fucking 40 points per game. It's like I'm about to win MVP and you know this. It's like and imagine God, and God forbid, if Nick is also the oh, I'm about to win Defensive Player of the Year. It's like, yo, you start adding all that shit, and it's like, yo, and it's like, yo, and you're making offer me billions of dollars, oh guess what? My contract a year, I won 500 mil. It's like, bro, and now you in a place, bro, that it's like it's like all that, like you, it's it's necessary, I I get where he's coming from, but it's also necessary, especially with a sport, regardless, even if uh uh the the shit is boring or whatever, basketball is basketball. Freaking football is football. It's like, and and the kids, for sure, love those two sports. So the kids coming up and they're probably like nigga, it's probably the two hardest sports to probably go professional on. Hell yeah. Because at the end of it, but it's like if you go all over the US, it's like there's more baseball field and basketball courts than what the fuck there is freaking tennis courts. Or golf courts, or golf courts.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:55

It's like and the amount of money that it costs to put your kid into golf or in tennis is like like yeah, like to so telling telling people like go go play golf is is is tough because those is more expensive.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:11

So maybe that's what he means, right? That because this is like I don't even know. I don't even want to get into that. I know what I know what I want to say, sports are more safe.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:21

These sports are more accessible in lower income areas. That's where a lot of athletes of color come from, which is why a lot of athletes of color will gravitate to those sports.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:35

That's why you my chat GPT, nigga. That's it. You my chat GPT. That's what you're trying to say. That's exactly what I want to know. I figured. I just didn't know how to fucking say it without being racist. That's what it is, and being a banned. You want to put it.

SPEAKER_06 1:32:46

You want to put, listen, if people say, look at Michael Phelps when he won all the gold medals and everything like that. Damn, I want to put my kid in swimming. But you know how hard it is to find a swimming pool rap when you live in the project?

SPEAKER_03 1:32:55

Nigga, swim in the Hudson River, nigga. God damn, bro. If you really want to make it, nigga, you get it from the mud.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:00

You're gonna make it into you're gonna make it into the mudder, right? Six feet into the mud. You're not coming out. Go swim in the Hudson if you want to.

SPEAKER_02 1:33:08

And it's that. It's like a Raw Park Tower's got a fucking pool there. Moy said that the thing that Moy says I didn't see though made it sound nice. Because it's like, because the thing is, it's like, bro, if you really did like I was just sitting here while you guys were saying that, and it's like NASCAR. How the fuck you wake up one day and say, I'm gonna be a NASCAR driver. It's like nigga, I know some nigga from I don't even know how you get it, like how like how the fuck you even get wrecking? Like, you would have to do so much, like, is it illegal street racing?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:36

My boy Daphne, my boy Daphne street races, nigga, and that nigga beast. Nigga said Daphne. Yeah, we can't say we can't say his name. That nigga be street racing, bro. He could make it to NASCAR. He probably smoked these niggas, bro. Like, nigga probably better than this.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:50

NASCAR is another one of those sports where it's like, how do you get into NASCAR?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:54

Think about that.

SPEAKER_16 1:33:55

First of all, you gotta look at the police database of who got the most feeding tickets.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:00

Nigga, I got it.

SPEAKER_16 1:34:02

And they can't they contact you discreetly, like, hey, I think your talents may be uh maybe wasted.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:07

The funny thing about NASCAR is that like we look at it and be like, oh, like they're gonna find the fastest driver, like somebody who can drive fast. NASCAR racing, winning those races ain't about ain't about how fast you drive. It's about how you drive. Like it's it's driving skill. That really because everybody drives fast. Yeah, everybody goes. We all got the same engine in our car. Our cars can all do the same thing. So when you look at it, it's like, so then how do people win and lose those races if everybody's car is not a good thing?

SPEAKER_02 1:34:32

It's normal to do the pit stops and how fast it's Michael Jordan taking over there, also.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:37

And it's all you know, he winning. His team is winning a lot. But it's it's there's a technicality to it. Where I recently got he got a NASCAR team. Um, I recently got into NASCAR uh a little while, I mean with the Lewis Hamilton team.

SPEAKER_02 1:34:54

Which is wild.

SPEAKER_06 1:34:55

But watching that nigga watching Lewis Hamilton got me saying, like, you know what, I do want to get into this racing shit. So I then I started watching NASCAR because of it, even though he's not really like a freaking like stock car or shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:10

I thought he was Formula One. Yeah, yeah, no, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:13

He's not like NASCAR, but but watching him, I was like, yeah, I could watch this racing shit or whatever, like these grand prix and stuff. And so I started like watching, and I'm just like, yeah, man, this shit is different. Because it's like every car, like we all got the same whip. It's not it's not street racing where it's like if my shit is tuned better than yours, if I got a better whip than you, like I could dust you. That's it. Like, it's skill. There's a lot of skill to it, and it's it's I respect it uh a lot more than I did. Now, am I gonna be an avid fan of it? No, I mean I can't just watch cars going to sleep. Just can't do it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:35:45

Like, that's what I like.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:46

I'll tell you one thing, the last couple laps be really good. But like the Daytona 500, yeah, you need to cut out 479 and over. I'm good. What the fuck? I'm good. You know what I'm saying? Put me in on lap 199. I'm ready to go.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:04

That's my shit, bro. These niggas just that victimized mentality, bro. That shit is not gonna get us anywhere, bro. If we stay there for the rest of our lives, always bringing back sport. Bro, these niggas making billions and millions of dollars. We talking about slave and that's what it is. What are we talking about?

SPEAKER_16 1:36:25

It's like you blaming the sport. You need to be blaming the fucking owners, bro. You look at fucking I think that's who he's talking about, though. Cause you look at look at like fucking Steve Cohen, bro. Like, oh, there's no fucking salary crap. Nigga, this nigga is paying like a hundred million dollars extra a year just to field the team that he has. And then you look at the NFL, all their owners literally get together and vote on shit to pay the players less. So it's just like, bro, it's not the fucking sport, it's the players. And it's like niggas saying, like, bro, if you're if your son wants to be in the NFL, you tell that nigga no, because they ain't paying niggas over there. Go fucking play big.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:03

And also where they paying niggas. Also, they they put their freaking lives on the line way more than in any other freaking sport.

SPEAKER_16 1:37:08

Because NFL owners be just as rich as baseball owners, but NFL owners ain't paying more.

SPEAKER_06 1:37:13

Ain't paying an extra hundred million. More Jerry Jones is filthy rich, and Dallas ain't one shit forever. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:21

Like, which is fine, but if you look at the logistics of the game, it's only fucking 17 games a year, nigga. And that's it, bro. Marketing comes, of course. A lot of people love the sport, a lot of people buy the merch, a lot of people go to the stadium. That's a great stadium. It's a great fucking stadium, a great sport, great everything is the most entertaining shit. So much money is involved with every single commercial and every single website. But at the end of the day, still 17 games. You can't compare 17 with 82 and 161 and fucking 162. 162 and 435 games in soccer. Because soccer's playing all year round. So, yes, it could be the owners, it could be whatever, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:04

That's kind of wild. 435 isn't it?

SPEAKER_04 1:38:06

It's 362 days in a year. So I'm just saying. 365.

SPEAKER_06 1:38:10

Momo's numbers today. Yo, 365. Nah, niggas is tired. Bro, staying on uh some uh kind of on race, uh Jack Harlow is getting some crazy backlash for comments that he made while describing his new album, Monica, which is a you know, kind of like a neo-soul vibe, a very, very, very strong departure from his his normal sounding music. Uh Jack Harlow has kind of been like a rap pop darling. He's had very, very huge commercial success with you know songs like What's Poppin' and shit like that, where that's that's kind of been the style that people know him for. And then he drops He got options. He drops Monica, and the sound is very different. So, what I'm first gonna do is, and I'm not gonna play too much because I don't want us to get you know flagged too crazy, but I do want you to hear I do want for those who haven't heard it and don't know anything about what we're talking about, I want them to hear the sound of the album, just to hear how different it is. Like first I'm gonna play you. This is the Jack Harlow that y'all know. What's poppin'?

SPEAKER_10 1:39:24

Who you asked.

SPEAKER_06 1:39:24

Brand new wheel, just hard. Right. I got options. I can pass that bitch like Stalker. Just Josh. I'm gonna spend this holiday locked in. Okay, so that's a Jack Harlow that people know and love and are very familiar with. And then this album sounds like this.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:42

Oh, shit, fire, man. Oh, it's fire. My skin is black. That's that's where he's getting in trouble right now. One nigga, two niggas. No, hold on.

SPEAKER_12 1:39:54

Okay, I'm gonna figure out what you want to wear. I'm telling I want you to say the word.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:59

J. Cole.

SPEAKER_12 1:40:00

When you're ready to show me, it's Jack Harlow. Yo, this shit is hard, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:06

Yeah, and the whole Why do people gotta fuck up everything?

SPEAKER_06 1:40:10

I don't even want to hear you. The whole album sounds like this. Now, let me play the clip that has people up and on.

SPEAKER_08 1:40:15

And retreat into a whiter genre. In fact, you arguably went deeper into black music. I got black guy black music. Yeah, yeah. Deeper into black music. So is that was that conscious? Was that a little twist on the typical move that white rappers make, which is to retreat back into traditionally white sounds?

SPEAKER_07 1:40:34

It certainly made what I already wanted to do even more appealing. Absolutely. Because you like pushing that boundary, that line? I think I love black music. I love the sound of black music. Who among us?

SPEAKER_12 1:40:46

Yeah, I love the sound of black music. Yeah. Um, and of course, I'm hyper aware of the politics of today, that safer landing spot that a lot of my white contemporaries have found. And of course, it appealed to me to do something that I felt like at a time when there's plenty of people expecting me to take some of the routes y'all are taking.

SPEAKER_15 1:41:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_12 1:41:09

To take the route that not only might not be expected, but is also the one I genuinely want to take. So all the stars aligned in that way for me, to be honest. Um, I'm not gonna pretend like what you're talking about. I was like, huh, I guess you're right.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:23

So I'll leave it there. I didn't even know he sounded like that. Yeah, that's how you talk. I saw White Man Can't Jump the remake with him and uh the Instagram comedian, dude. It's like he didn't sound like that in the movie. Or am I bugging?

SPEAKER_06 1:41:38

I feel like he did so.

SPEAKER_02 1:41:40

He was with white people there, that's why.

SPEAKER_06 1:41:43

So the the the soundbite that people have kind of lashed on to is the the part where he says, I got blacker. Like, and because the the person, this is from popcast. I should have said that before playing the clip, but yeah, I'm I'm uh it's one of my favorite news shows, actually. This podcast thing. I like the interviews they've done so far. Um I don't even know if it's a new show, but I'll say it's new to me. I never heard of it, and then this year I've watched three interviews that have been amazing. But they were asked, basically saying, like, look, white your white contemporaries, like white rap artists, normally have been retreating to whiter genres when they try to do something different, right? Like Post Malone came out rapping and then went country, right? Saying, you know, so it's that's the common thing, or they go from rap and they just go straight pop. You went from rap to something more, and he's just like, yeah, no, don't beat around the bush. Like I got blacker. People didn't like that. They they they don't like it, and they started killing him for saying, I guess, not so much saying that, they're basically killing the album because he said that.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:49

You wanna say who wants to start here? I would let you, because I I want to hear what y'all niggas gotta say. No, you go, you have a lot to say. Nah, I was just gonna say, I don't think the world knows, but uh one of the biggest artists in the whole entire world created his whole entire music, everything. His whole entire, what's that shit called? Uh um fuck, bro. Catalog, his sound based off blacker music. Meaning it comes from blacker, uh, jazz, uh, soul, like church gospel, which is Elvis Presley.

SPEAKER_17 1:43:37

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:38

His whole entire catalog is based off him hearing how soulful the black jazz music was, and he recreated it and became, and for that, Jack Harlow, you will be as big as him because you made a banger, brother. I don't know. I thought Jay-Z was about to hop on that bitch.

SPEAKER_06 1:43:57

I don't I don't I don't want to compare, I don't want to compare Jack Harlow. Because they're gonna they're gonna they they're gonna be like, well, that's what we're saying. Like he's like Elvis, he appropriated from black culture or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:07

But Elvis is still one of the biggest artists. No, he he he is top three.

SPEAKER_16 1:44:13

I I don't even see what I really don't even see what the issue is. I mean, I think it's maybe they just bad choice of words.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:21

So you wanna let me let you know what the best thing I could do is actually, because I wanted you to hear the clip, but you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_16 1:44:28

I feel like he's been he's been making black people.

SPEAKER_06 1:44:29

No, no, I think I think it'll be all I think it'll also be good for you guys to hear what some black people's pushback has been. So I'm gonna play what Charlemagne said. But you you go go. And then also Charlemagne.

SPEAKER_02 1:44:41

Even even like the the name of the album being like Monica, they took like people have been also like reaching and saying, like, yo, what he's really trying to say is my nigga. It's like, you know, it's like everything, especially like after the interview, like this shit has spun out of control now.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:58

Is that but why, bro? Why do people let this shit go so far? Why are we still here? Why are we still talking about it? Let anybody in this world just say my nigga. Nah, no. Disagree. This is why, because Yanna just didn't make it sound bad.

SPEAKER_16 1:45:14

I think people get more hung up off of what they less about, it's less about what people actually say and more about what they think that somebody means.

SPEAKER_02 1:45:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 1:45:24

Like everything is like, you know what I'm saying? Like in his head, he's just like, I got blacker. Oh, it's an RB album. To me, that makes complete sense. It's like he, yeah, maybe he could have said, I got more in touch with uh my black contemporaries in the genre. But it means the same exact thing, you know what I'm saying? But it's just like people just I don't know, like they just be looking for shit. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_02 1:45:44

I guess now that you gave that example, uh, and I felt what Moy said when he said, like, oh, uh like the black jazz. It's like, it's just jazz. It's like it's like that. I feel like that's the thing that kind of triggers people. Like when you label uh like RB, it's like it's RB. It's not black RB. It's not like like we know, like everybody knows.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:07

Oh, so you're trying to cancel me now?

SPEAKER_02 1:46:08

Huh? Yes. You're trying to cancel me. I've been I've been trying to cancel. You say some outlandish shit.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:13

It is what it is, bro.

SPEAKER_16 1:46:14

That's why I just nah, but I think when you're talking about like I guess I got something like soul, which I feel like is black.

SPEAKER_06 1:46:22

Neo soul. I got the clip. All right. I want y'all to hear it.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:24

Jack Harl is doing the rounds right now. He's promoting his new album, Monica. Have y'all listened to it? I did.

SPEAKER_15 1:46:30

Didn't like it. I think it's terrible. Damn.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:32

Okay, so I didn't dislike the album, but it's Neo Soul or his version of it. I just thought it was, it caught me by surprise. Like, I know Jack Harlow does the melodies and all that a little bit, but it did catch me by surprise. But he's promoting this album, and he was with um the team over at Popcast, the New York Times. They have a popcorn.

SPEAKER_15 1:46:50

I'm a Neo Soul junkie. I love the Jill Scotts of the World, the Erica Badu's, whatever you want to call that genre. That ain't it, bro. Yeah, that's the one. Yeah, that ain't that ain't it. It's just some of the songs I heard I didn't love.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:03

Okay, well, let's take a listen because they're the the conversation that they had with him was about why he got into Neo Soul and all that stuff in general. He talks about recording music at Electric Lady, and for those who don't know, that like studio is famous. Like you have Erica Batuu that has performed there, uh, not performed, but recorded there. D'Angelo, like all the greats, right? So he's like, I got the inspiration, I'm in Electric Lady. But they're asking him, as a white artist, you had the privilege to be able to just do Neo Soul, and everybody's just like accepting it. Black artists can't switch genres like that. And he said something that got people a little pissed off. He said he he got blacker. Let's take a listen.

SPEAKER_08 1:47:37

White rappers are afforded more freedom to change their genre. True or false. But also, we heard the rapper. Well, you have a Johnson Johnson, you didn't retreat into a wider genre. In fact, you arguably went into deeper into deeper into black. So is that was that conscious? Was that a little twist on the typical movie that white rappers make, which is to retreat back into traditionally white sounds? It certainly made what I already wanted to do even more appealing. Absolutely. Because you like pushing out boundary, that line? I think I love black music. I love the sound of black music.

SPEAKER_11 1:48:01

I love the sound of black music. Um and of course I'm hyper aware of the politics of today, that safer landing spot that a lot of my white contemporaries have talked about.

SPEAKER_15 1:48:07

I like Jack Harlow. I've met Jack Harlow, we've interviewed Jack Harlow, Jack is a nice guy. But I told y'all on Friday that this album made him whiter. And saying the music made you blacker is exactly why I said this album made him whiter.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_15 1:48:21

Okay? Because that that's that's something that's something only you gotta be really white to say that this is a little bit more. In the video, he's like a little bit later.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:29

There are some people that are like, well, at least he as a white artist, even if he's joking, he admitted. Because he, but he's made songs about his previous.

SPEAKER_05 1:48:35

He's very sarcastic when he talks about it. You know what I mean? Like he knows what he's doing a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:39

But what I didn't appreciate, and I watched the full conversation, and I I like his music, but what I didn't appreciate was I just feel like I feel like me as a person that gets on the outlet every day, certain things and certain races and all that, it's certain things you gotta tiptoe around or like you can't say, or you just know that there's gonna be some backlash about. He was, I felt like he was a little bit too free. Like he been at he leaped around a bit too much.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:02

He a little Chuck Carlo jokes around all the time, bro.

SPEAKER_02 1:49:06

He just needs to go back to Drewski and figure out his life.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:09

But here's the that's my thing. So them her saying, like, you gotta tip to around, and you're not supposed to say, like, basically, like, why? Like, if it, if, if it's if it's the most obvious answer to the question, like, yes, your contemporaries normally go to genres that are more whiter, and he's like, but you did something. It's like, yeah, I I went blacker. Like, that's the answer to the question. He didn't say I went I went on some nigga shit. He didn't say that. Like he said, I got blacker, I made music that would be considered more black.

SPEAKER_16 1:49:45

Well that's what it is, bro. People be they're not tripping off of what he said, they tripping off of what they think he means and what it could mean. And if he did connotation, he's just like, bro, that's not what he said.

SPEAKER_06 1:49:55

But what about what if and here's the thing and if he didn't say that, wouldn't there still be a problem? Why you ain't just say the truth? We all know, yeah, you went and made more black music. Why you ain't say that? So he said it.

SPEAKER_16 1:50:06

Nigga could have just said he could have just said, Yeah, man, I just found some inspiration. They would have still said, Nah, you just you just doing fucking what you see other black people do.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:18

And then niggas asked why why Kanye went off the rockers. Because Kanye just needed to step away from everybody, bro.

SPEAKER_06 1:50:25

The only nigga I understand. The people that the people that Momo be pulling just be like, bro. He went from Elvis to Ye. You're not doing Jack Carlo no favors right now. But in Momo's mind.

SPEAKER_02 1:50:38

And this is why he supports it. It's either Trump supporter. It's not Trump supporting, bro. That nigga sound like all the people that support.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:45

It's not Trump supporting, bro. It's just that, bro, it's my new shit, bro. People make big deals out of nothing, bro.

SPEAKER_17 1:50:51

Out of nothing.

SPEAKER_04 1:50:51

It's not that bad. A white person can say black or can say fuck you, my nigga. I don't care, bro. But that's bro, it's that that's me, bro. That's me. I don't, I, I, I really, it's like, bro, you have freedom. You can say whatever the fuck you want. Don't phase me. I don't care. Why niggas is just holding on to a old religious?

SPEAKER_16 1:51:10

Let me ask you a question, though. This there's a tangent, this is a tangent. So let's say you're about to go make a deal with somebody for solar, right? And you walk in and the dude's like, nah, no deal. And you just like, I ain't even talk to this dude. And he tells whoever else is there, he's like, I ain't doing business with no nigga. And as a white dude, you wouldn't feel the way about that.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:30

Yeah, but that he means it disrespectfully. That's the difference.

SPEAKER_16 1:51:33

That's why you can't play with it. No, no.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:35

You never know, but it means it disrespectfully. But if like see though.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:38

Alright, but what if he said it as a joke? And then afterwards he still.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:42

I would fucking start. I'd be like, oh, that's fucked up, man. Come on, bro. Because I'm black. I would though. I can't do that. I would, bro, but that's me. Honestly speaking. It's not sunny soul, bro. No, no, no.

SPEAKER_06 1:51:53

I respect, I I respect your right to say, like, that's you.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:58

It doesn't bother you. And it's not a pussy shit. It's not nothing. Is that bro? It's just a word, bro. It's legit just a word.

SPEAKER_02 1:52:04

I think it's that. You've never experienced it in a way that it's like.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:09

No, I have, bro, because I had a manager that that legit was OD racist. That legit. He called you a nigga. No, he didn't call me a nigga, but he said what he said was uh pretty much uh because it was a situation with a deal that we had to send the roofer over to, and he was like, listen, you know, typically us white people, we don't like seeing like immigrants come to the house type shit. And nigga, me being the person that- That's not racist, no, no, no, no. But he was like, we don't want to see immigrants because we won't sign with an immigrant. That's stuff like leave that for Francis Okonko. Like, he was like, pretty much leave that shit for like send an immigrant to like to an African. That's kind of fun. Don't send that shit to a white person. So I'm like, the fuck is you talking about, nigga?

SPEAKER_06 1:52:53

That's racist as fuck.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:54

So so and he was a white, he was a white, not manager, he was CEO of a company, but he this is how he's talking. Gotta punch him in his face. So nah, it wasn't it, it wasn't in person. He lived in Utah. He lived in Idaho. That's why he's getting that shit off. So you're talking, that's how they talk to me. So my what I'm trying to say, if you mean it disrespectfully, of course that shit gonna trigger me and gonna piss me off.

SPEAKER_06 1:53:14

But what I mean is, bro, if we But I don't wanna, I don't want to, I don't wanna I don't wanna make this a conversation about the N-word because he didn't say that.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:20

No, no, no. I was gonna I was gonna hop into that. I'm saying the shit with like Jack Harlow wasn't a triggering anything. The black community's just very fucking and Latino, we're fucking sensitive. I don't think that. Bro, just to say black or bro, why are we why why is that bro? The album is hard, bro. Let if you want to tap in, if a fucking Jack Harlo wants to sing by Chata music, so be a nigga. As long as it's fire, and they can keep up with Romeo, like he can link up with China. But why? Why why why is that always a thing, bro?

SPEAKER_06 1:53:51

Like, why are we always uh here's what I'll say I look, I think two things can be true. I think um I think the African American community, as well as the Latino community, as well as you know, a lot the immigrant community, I think all people of color in certain instances can be sensitive. But I also think that there's a reason why we can be sensitive. Like there are past traumas, there are things that we've been through, there are experiences that we have had that have made us that way, that have made us defensive, that have made us so easily triggered in a sense, because it's like, yeah, our antennas go up right away because of the shit that we've been through. That's why we respond. So, yeah, sensitive is not a negative thing. Like, we are sensitive, it just gets this negative connotation, but sensitive just means that you have a you have a like quicker response or a quicker trigger to certain things, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. That just denotes that you've been through some shit, and that's why you respond the way that you do.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:50

Nigga, we got pulled over in your BMW, nigga.

SPEAKER_06 1:54:52

Because they thought they was like, oh, no, no, no, we didn't match the description. Bro, I can't tell you that's that's one experience. Sorry, officer. That's one experience. I'm black, man. I look like everybody else. That's one that that's one experience of hundreds that I've been through. But that experience does make me a little bit sensitive in certain like I don't listen to this day. I'm driving now in a car with my family, you know, in the car, whatever. And if a cop gets behind my car, like I automatically tense up, like, all right, like you know, whatever. And I don't I don't know that I've been stopped in that car yet. I don't I don't remember I don't I don't remember the last time I got stopped, but it's like it doesn't matter. Like if tomorrow I'm driving and a cop is driving behind me, I'm on alert because of the situations that have happened. Like there's a reason behind it, is what I'm saying. I'm not saying it makes it right in this particular instance, but I do understand why there's a there's reasons behind it.

SPEAKER_02 1:55:45

I feel like everybody just makes like because even Jack Harlow made this shit about race. It's like, and the interviewer did it did it also. And I feel like in I think the interviewers did it. They put him in that position, he had to respond. But the thing is that he fell into that trap a lot. But the thing is good good interviewers. Yeah, and it's like because the thing is, it's that's why I said earlier. It's like, it's not, it's like if we want, like, what is it? If we want to move forward, we want to progress, uh, we want, we want change. It's like, yo, like, not everything has to be categorized based on race or based on identity or based on yo, shit is just what it is.

SPEAKER_06 1:56:27

It's like yo, it's all sometimes.

SPEAKER_02 1:56:28

Yeah, no, sometimes it just is what it is. It's like RB. It's like, yo, there are fucking white people that are trying to get into RB. They're fucking in rap. You can't say rap is only black because we have MM, we have MGK, we have all it's like, no. So in the end, it's just rap music. It's just RB. It's what is it? Soul, uh Neo Soul. Neo soul. Neo soul. It's like, I get it that it's it's a field that's predominantly black. But we don't go, it's like uh the black NBA or the black NFL. It's like it's like we, but that's the thing. That's I feel like that's also the fucking problem. It's like, do I think that what he said was wrong? No. Would I personally choose in uh chosen a better way to say it? Yes. It's like I would have never said, yeah, I would, I uh yeah, I went blacker.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:17

It's like it doesn't have good PR, though.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:19

It's like it's not I went blacker. It's like I just think he doesn't care. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:23

No, no, I was I was trying to troll, not to Jedi, but like in general, like it doesn't have a good PR. But it's like he doesn't care. That's Jack Carlow. Like, it's not that serious.

SPEAKER_02 1:57:33

But I also hate that argument. It's like, oh, that's just that's Jack Harlow, that's uh Neon, that's uh that was the this streamer.

SPEAKER_06 1:57:41

Steve will do that Steve will do it. It's like that is a naked what's the other one? The Amazon. Is that but it's just how they do it?

SPEAKER_02 1:57:47

That's my thing, it starts there. If you care so much, like if I was known for fucking uh uh uh I don't know, punching people in the fucking face, it's like, oh well that's just Jeddah. That's what he does. It's like get the fuck out of the way.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:59

I mean, but technically technically I do do that. Like, it's like my fucking punch people in the face. No, no, I'm saying, like, oh, why Jedi always angry? Because that's Jedi. Like that, bro, he ain't gonna change, bro. It starts there, bro. That that's what I mean, bro. Like, I get the point, you know. If we don't, if we if we take everything, like, oh, someone has to change, like you can't say that you can't be that way because black or whatever, you can't be, like, just don't talk about the topic. It's so sensitive to if if we don't cut that shit out, then it's always gonna be a problem when someone's just speaking about tapping into John.

SPEAKER_16 1:58:34

Like, take into account like the person's history, right? So it's like in like in what we were talking about earlier, like what Momo said about that dude, right? Like, just off his history with that dude, if that dude would have ever said the N-word, it's already on it's on site for him because Momo knows how that person thinks. He knows how he means it, right? With Jack, I feel like I give him grace because it's just like, bro, he what has he shown us up until this point, aside from the fact that he loves black music, he coexists with black artists, he goes to black spaces, he celebrates, you know what I'm saying? So it's just like what has he shown us? Like, it's not like it's post Malone who like came up making a certain type of music, went back to making like what they were saying in the interview, making quote unquote white music. And then if he says something like, Yeah, I think I'm gonna get blacker on my next album, it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Because you already move in like somebody who maybe is not an ally or maybe just exploited.

SPEAKER_06 1:59:32

I would have heard it way different from Black.

SPEAKER_16 1:59:33

But I feel like Jack, you like give him a little bit of grace. Like, what has he done up until this point for us to say nah bro, like nah, we don't fuck with him no more. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 1:59:41

My angle, my angle on this argument is is actually very different. I I listen, I just feel like art is it should be, not is, because it clearly isn't with all this backlash. But it should be a space where everybody, regardless of race, gender, like belief system, morals, should be able to experiment. It's it's a form of expression, and art is meant to inspire. So, like, are like are we angry that this white artist was inspired by all these amazing black artists who make this amazing music? I mean, and it is amazing. I mean, Jed I walked in today and I was vibing. I was had my child because I was listening to the Jack Harlow album, and it got me in my mood to listen to those vibes, and then I just put on that playlist, and my shit was running. Like, it's one of my favorite genres, too. It doesn't shock me that somebody would be inspired by listening to that music. Like, he might basically what I'm getting from this is that Jack Harlow be on like he'd be on like our two, 3 a.m. vibes, or we on vacation and shit. Right. And you'd be like, yo, get the speaker, and I just start putting all that shit. He'd be on that type of vibe, and I guess he was having one of those. He was like, yo, I need to make an album like this. Like, I want to make some music. And I and I feel like what's wrong with him being inspired by that? Like, that music was made to do that. I think the issue is it's like, nah, no, no, it was made to inspire like our people only. Like, we don't want him being inspired to the point where he's gonna make an album about it and then sit on the interview and say, I got blacker. And it's like, I get, I I hear some of the points that she was making, and I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with her name because the Breakfast Club is going through all these changes. Erica Badu? There's new people that's gonna be. No, no, no. Lauren LaRosa. Lauren LaRosa. I know I know Erica Badu's name.

SPEAKER_02 2:01:28

But um Erika Badu?

SPEAKER_06 2:01:30

I know Erica Badu, not Lauren LaRosa. Badu. I understand her sentiments about, you know, I know where she's coming from, but I feel like that's where I kind of lean with Momo. It's like when you bring up, like, you know, there's certain things that people know they gotta tiptoe around or whatever, it's like yes and no. Like, do I agree with Momo about the N-word? No. But I I do agree that it's like, wait, but like, he got a tiptoe around around saying the word blacker, like saying that he made blacker music. Like, why does Jack Harlow have to tiptoe around that? To Zay's point. When it like, does he has he not built up enough equity to say something like that and we understand exactly what he means? And then my biggest issue with all of this is that people hear the interview and then feel like now they got a shit on the album. This album is not trash. I've heard a lot of trash in my lifetime. This isn't it. This ain't one of the trash albums that I've heard. This is actually a very good album, in my opinion. I actually really enjoy it. I think you should listen to it on the drive back home. I'm definitely, bro. I listened to the J.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:38

Cole album and realized that I actually like Neo Soul, bro. Like that shit is hard, bro.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:44

Right, calling the J.

SPEAKER_04 2:02:45

Cole album Neo Soul is hilarious, bro. Nah, nah, because he has one with Erica's. No, no, no. But he has that kind of the same vibe. He does. No, he does. He does.

SPEAKER_06 2:02:53

He does. He does. That's why, that's why the stuff with him and R. Lennox is always so good. But um shit is fucking hilarious. I think I think you should listen to this album because I think when I was listening to it, I was that was one of the first. I was like, damn, I'm almost gonna fuck with this shit. Like this shit, it's I think it's good. Like I do. I think he's getting unfairly like him. Okay, the interview, whatever, fine. But the body of work, I feel like is getting unfairly criticized because of something he said in the interview that people don't like. Like, just because you don't like what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 2:03:21

We're not gonna listen to Elvis Presley because that shit is not black enough. They don't listen to Elvis President. We're not gonna listen to Titi Me Bragunto because that's not Dominican, because he's not Dominican. So he shouldn't be saying he shouldn't be saying that shit.

SPEAKER_06 2:03:34

Elvis is a is a different case. Elvis eventually he went on to say some pretty racist things. And yeah, yeah, like Elvis is a different case because like he he did he said and did some racist shit, and it's just crazy because like your whole career and sound was appropriated off of the backs of the people that you're being racist against. But again, I gotta that's why I was like, damn, I was like, don't compare it to Elvis because it's not gonna go well. But um yeah, I just think it's unfair, man. I think I I don't think it's a bad album at all. I I think it's I I think it's a solid album, and it's definitely something that like I I got you know in the tuck for my next vacation. It's definitely coming out at the at the 3 a.m. vibe for sure.

SPEAKER_16 2:04:15

And it's just interesting to me how like they're taking this moment and shitting on them, and it's just like if you listen to the interviewers, I I think the interviewer makes a great point. It's like, bro, a lot of artists get to the point that you get to and decide, I'm gonna go start making country music, I'm gonna go start doing this. And Jack, who didn't have to do it, started making uh Neo Soul. He didn't have to go to that genre, he could have just been again, he could have went the post-malone route and said, I'm gonna go get more white fans and go to a genre where more white people mess with me. He took a huge risk making this out. Hell yeah. A huge risk. And he didn't have to do it.

SPEAKER_06 2:04:56

And to think that and to think that you can uh make that pivot from the music that he was making to music like this, listen, Neo talent that he has. He's a very talented artist. Neo soul is not an easy genre to make. Like, I am of the belief that pop music is the easiest shit ever. Like, you find lyrics that are catchy, you find a good producer with, you know, and a great engineer who can clean everything up, and if you gotta hit, you gotta hit. Neo soul is not about hits. It's not, it's about a sound, it's about a vibe. And when you're in a studio chasing a vibe and trying to curate a vibe, it is the most difficult thing in the world. It's it's literally impossible. It's like trying to catch lightning in a bottle. Like a vibe is like a spirit. How do you catch a spirit? Like it's I mean, what it's it's not impossible, you know what I'm saying? So he didn't he didn't take an easy task, he took an impossible task, and I think he did really freaking well with it. And I think it's really unfair that this album is getting shitted on that way. I don't think it's a bad album. I really don't. And Misa, if you're listening, that's my take.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:04

He's been listening, he's been listening, he said.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:06

I don't know, I know, but he said in the chat, he's like, yo, no, no, no, no, no, don't wait until later. Say it out. Like, I was like, I didn't say anything because I was like, I gotta save it for the pod. If I get it off in the group chat, I ain't gonna say it in the pod.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:16

Listen, um, Misa, this is my take, bro. That album is fire. And he doesn't even listen.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:22

He didn't hear it yet, but okay.

SPEAKER_04 2:06:23

I just listened to two seconds, bro. I don't need to. All I heard was, my skin is black. Nah, you you're gonna like it. One nigga, holding three niggas, holding.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:33

I don't know how he turned trading places in the story of OJ, but nah, that'd be I'm with it. I'm gonna play it right now for you. I mean, you that should be the outro. We hear now, right? Nah, yeah, we uh we we uh I think uh unless y'all got anything else, I think we're pretty done, right?

SPEAKER_02 2:06:49

Nah, racism, black bigs trigger me.

SPEAKER_06 2:06:51

So the uh when Mo start going yo GB.

SPEAKER_02 2:06:57

That's when I want to turn super freaking pro black and just start walling the hell out.

SPEAKER_04 2:07:06

We could be black, brother. We could be black, nigga, but we don't need to be, we don't need to be.

SPEAKER_16 2:07:11

That's I'm just waiting for somebody to come out and say, Adonis is your son.

SPEAKER_10 2:07:16

Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_16 2:07:24

Yo, I have no shit and did it.

SPEAKER_06 2:07:30

The best part about that this is the the venom with which he says, Adonis is your son. Like it's like Can you imagine him with a like imagine like because it's Pusha, so you know it wasn't that many niggas in the studio. Like it's him, it's the it's it's the it's the engineer, and who else? Like maybe Mallis. Like imagine, imagine it's just three of y'all, it's it's three of y'all in the studio, and he in the booth, and that's the bar that comes out. Adonis is your son. I know that we speak push, what are we doing?

SPEAKER_04 2:07:59

I know we're speaking about a whole completely different shit, bro. But we're ending the podcast. If you think about Kendrick and Drake shit, oh god, the way that he led, bro. I get it, nigga. Kendrick, people say that it was a tie or that Kendrick won or whatever, bro. But the way that Drake led that nigga down a narrow path that was just wrong, and that nigga made a whole his whole entire everything that he tried to create was pinned to just try to announce that he has a secret daughter, and that shit was all just orchestrated for you to just believe. Yo, bro, that shit.

SPEAKER_06 2:08:34

I one thing I one thing I will say to that point, and I don't I don't want to extend this too much longer, but I'm with I'm with you to an extent. I am really shocked that Kendrick would fall for that. Because he's so smart that I'm just like, like, you know what I mean? Like, it's obvious that he has a like the secret daughter. I'm like, that's too obvious. Like, that's come on, no. Niggas said that he like, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 2:08:56

Imagine he would have said, like, whatever, her name was fucking Lucy. It's a Lucy is your daughter. I'm shocked that I'm shocked that he found that.

SPEAKER_16 2:09:05

You know what he's doing. Niggas ain't hold it against him. Well, no, that's niggas act like that shit ain't happened, bro.

SPEAKER_06 2:09:09

No, nah, but I just thought that part I'm not shocked about because we know, we know what that whole like no, I'm not doing this. Listen, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:18

Episode. Because I also have my own thoughts about this. I don't agree, but we're not about to get into that.

SPEAKER_06 2:09:24

But you don't feel that you don't agree that Kendrick got caught up?

SPEAKER_02 2:09:27

I feel like it I think that's a possibility.

SPEAKER_06 2:09:31

You think you think Drake has a secret daughter that we don't know about?

SPEAKER_02 2:09:34

No, no, no. Maybe. Yeah, that nigga probably got a whole bunch of kids he owned. He don't know about. I don't think.

SPEAKER_06 2:09:39

If he doesn't know about it, it's a different thing. But him knowing and the world don't know, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 2:09:43

But the thing is, like, also at that same fucking strand, like if some nigga went and said all this shit about me, and in the end it's like, I don't got shit against the nigga except for the same shit I've been saying. It's like now I gotta try a new approach, which I believe Kendrick pre-recorded all these fucking songs.

SPEAKER_06 2:10:02

They all were pre-recorded, yeah, for sure. Yeah, most fun.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:05

And it's like the end of the day, he was just releasing. That's why none of it.

SPEAKER_06 2:10:08

No, he was adding, you just added, he would just add different things to make it to make it uh relevant in the time. But yeah, most of that.

SPEAKER_02 2:10:15

But the thing is, it's like also I could also, because I've seen niggas do this, that like, if you're in a situation and you jammed up, it's like, oh nigga, well, that was a part of the plan the whole time. And it's like, yeah, just talk shit. Also, like, because at the end of the day, it's a rap beef. You don't know who the fuck is telling the truth and who the fuck is lying.

SPEAKER_06 2:10:32

But the thing is, it's like I mean, we never we never found the daughter though. Like, like when Push did it, we we met Adonis.

SPEAKER_04 2:10:40

Like, no, but Adonis is out here. But not only that, though, bro, like it it it you you try to slander his whole entire life, try to talk shit about everything. Also, why would he have to do that? Drake already had a whole video. He knew that he planted all of this shit. He had a whole video of Hendrick of him planting and the fact that everybody just lets it be. It's like the whole shit with the Iceman album. But then the Iceman album that doesn't shock me.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:06

Do you think that because he they found out that he got set up and that he was you think that that would have been enough to for him to lose the battle?

SPEAKER_04 2:11:12

I feel like I feel like that right there is just like the win. I feel I feel like that's the cherry on top. Like it's like I don't feel like it's the win.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:19

I just I don't feel like it's the win. And I feel like it was not being a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 2:11:22

Because the thing is, the whole battle, it was Kendrick with the first song he dropped, then it was Drake, then it was Drake, then it was like that's I feel like it, nigga, we will go back to that group chat. That's how the shit was. It was oh shit, Drake dropped fire. But that's oh shit, Drake. Kendrick dropped fire.

SPEAKER_04 2:11:37

It was like the whole thing. But then you just said mad shit thinking that you just aired some Adonis shit, but you then what came after that?

SPEAKER_02 2:11:48

Nothing, that's it. No, after no, after that video dropped, and everybody's like, oh shit. Not like us. It's like not like us came out.

SPEAKER_06 2:11:54

But not like us is full of lies too. Exactly. I'll say I'll say this, I'll say this. But again, it again it's

SPEAKER_04 2:12:00

I thought Not Like Us came before that. No.

SPEAKER_06 2:12:02

No, no, it came after Not Lus is right before Drake's last one. Which is my my hot take on it. Whatever is that Not Like Us came out and it overshadowed it. But ISIS is, bro. Not Like Us isn't better than Family Matters.

SPEAKER_02 2:12:15

That's where the pop thing comes from. Family Matters is better to me. That's where the whole being pop, nigga. That shit was so goddamn catchy, nigga. That's all I think. Like, yo, it's like, like you said when we spoke that night, nigga, it was like, yo, uh uh, it's like when you hear mustard on the beat, it's like, oh, it was like, first of all, niggas didn't know what mustard was. I I knew it was over.

SPEAKER_06 2:12:33

And it was like As soon as I heard Mustard on the B, I knew it was over. I said it's over. It's done. It's done. There's nothing he could do. Nothing he could do. Nigga, my shit. It don't matter. He can't get, there's not another, there's not another producer that he's gonna nope. That's over. It's done. This is what he's like, shh, see that people. Nigga, I was at over. All of that shit, I didn't care. I heard the horns and I heard mustard on the beat. It's over. I could have turned it off right there and told you what was gonna happen. Niggas is gonna be dancing to a diss. The last time we was dancing to a diss, Meek Mill had to go into hiding. That's it. That's what happens. When you got people dancing to a diss, it's over. And nobody cares. Nobody cares what's true. Nobody cares what's a lie. Nobody cares what was fab. Nobody cares that the labels and freaking Lucy and all these people orchestrate. Nobody cares. Nobody cares. You know why? Because a minor. That's all anybody cares. They don't give a shit. They don't care. Guess what? I still dance to that shit. And the thing is, I still dance to that shit.

SPEAKER_02 2:13:29

This is why I didn't want to get into this shit. Cause this shit freaking gets me. The thing is that for me, it's not even about the battle. Drake lost his shit as soon as he started his shit with UMG. He was like, oh, I'm sure. Nigga, fuck that.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:41

It's like give people just to be like, what happened? What are they gonna be talking about?

SPEAKER_06 2:13:45

Nah, yeah, nah, yeah. I mean, we we we never we never really did the in-depth thing. We gotta do it one of these episodes.

SPEAKER_04 2:13:49

Nah, nah, nah. Like, really go through the whole thing. Jedi don't know what he's talking about, nigga. Don't do it, don't do it. Jed, I don't know what he's talking about. He wants me to do, he wanted me to end the episode. Name three hip hop albums you actually know. Um just name three Drake albums. A Boogie. Okay.

SPEAKER_16 2:14:08

What's the name of the album?

SPEAKER_04 2:14:10

Dreams and Nightmares. Those are songs. Um I think Dreams and Nightmares is the name of the thing.

SPEAKER_16 2:14:18

No, Dreams and Nightmares is the name of the album.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:21

Father, can you please stretch your hands? But there's also the Father Stretch Out of the song.

SPEAKER_16 2:14:25

Father Stretch Out Your Hands is the song.

SPEAKER_04 2:14:30

Father, please stretch.