Episode 24 - "...And I'm the Deer"

This week the guys paid homage to Kanye West after he dropped his new album Bully. They responded to Erica Kirk's dismay about Druski's latest skit. Conversation around Jay Z and J. Cole's recent interviews sparked discussion about the continued fallout from the Drake & Kendrick beef. No episode next week, we'll see y'all April 13th.

Transcript

SPEAKER_10 0:03

Fellow Americans is what the utmost pride is necessary that I present as recording, as a living tester, the population of history in the making during our generation. Allow me to reintroduce myself.

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My name is The Universe is predicated on the duality of chaos and order. Without these opposites to define each other, it is impossible for life to exist in any dimension. Therefore, you should accept both chaos and order as equally real and necessary.

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Like some of Wayne's best work.

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You said spitting on other niggas' what?

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Beats. Beef? Nah, I ain't say that. Nah, don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_04 0:52

Wow.

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Nah, don't do that. Don't do that. I am a beast. Yo, I saw some funny shit today, and I just felt like, yo, I gotta share it with y'all, right? Don't judge me. But I don't know why on my Instagram algorithm, like I be seeing like plastic surgeons, but I do.

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You have no idea why?

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No, I have no idea why.

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I could feel I feel like I can figure that out. BBLZ. BBLZ.

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But anyway, so I saw a fucking I saw a video of a girl that she like they're doing like the before and after. So I guess she had like her breasts were like saggy and whatever. Like I guess they was huge and she got them done, which is like reduced or whatever. Some nigga commented on the video. And they go, Taban como es taban antes.

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And I'm just like why do you think? And they just couldn't like I'm like, bro, why nigga. Why?

SPEAKER_02 1:56

Yeah, that shit just had me dead. Because when I see that, I'm just like, bro, who cares what you think, nigga?

SPEAKER_04 2:03

I mean, I probably would agree with him. No, no, I I'll be that, I'll be that same dude. Like when I be seeing them shits, I'll be like, nah, nah, you you should have just you should have just chilled out.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

I'll be having that I be having that thought. But it's just like imagine, like, I'm just thinking from the woman's perspective. It's just like, bro, like some random nigga talking about, yeah, man, I just like them, I like the way they look before. Like, nigga, everybody do. They be talking about they be, but it'd be the fucking the back pain and shit, bro. But I was just dying because you know, obviously those comments are just full of like other women.

SPEAKER_04 2:36

Oh, this was like reductions and shit? Yeah, it was the best reduction. I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

That's what I'm saying. I'm like, the whole comment section is full of other women. I'm like, bro, like, why are you even here?

SPEAKER_16 2:45

But that's that's why that's why I feel with that. Because he was there trying to be a creep. Because there's one of our friends, like, for example, this was a while back. This was 2024. Niggas uh uh Eva Longoria flees dystopian dystopian US dystopian, dystopian US with fan with family after Donald Trump wins election. And it's like that's the the the the picture. Then all of a sudden you see Sam the man. I will pray for you. Jesus loves you. Yo, you don't understand how big of a boost that shit is, nigga. Sam is the best follower on Instagram. Yo, that nigga just be commenting on ranking. He just be saying Yo, any sports post, bro.

SPEAKER_02 3:26

I feel like Sam is on there, bro.

SPEAKER_16 3:28

And he'll just say some outlandish shit, like some real left. Like sometimes it's it's not left because it's like disrespectful. It's just you don't expect it. It's like he just goes on there to take the contrary side. Like the the the like he just has to go to the opposing side for no reason.

SPEAKER_02 3:45

Yo, that shit, that nigga be having me dead, bro.

SPEAKER_04 3:49

Listen, man. Social media is for people to share their thoughts, share their feelings. I just feel like we can't get upset when people do exactly that. You know what I'm saying? Like sometimes, and you gotta know, if you're gonna post something out there, you're gonna put something out there, be ready to get a comment like, yo, it's just that's social media for you, bro.

SPEAKER_02 4:13

That's probably what Shorty husband said too. I mean, was she married? I don't know, bro. Is she still married? I don't even know why that shit showed up for me, bro.

SPEAKER_04 4:22

I feel like I feel like these are conversations that that need to happen. I'm just a fact.

SPEAKER_16 4:27

That was like uh, what was it? Uh the other uh damn, I wish I had it. But Matt Reif freaking after Drewski dropped the the what's it called? The that vi that skit with that he was dressed like a white girl.

SPEAKER_04 4:43

Yeah, I wanted to we're gonna I wanted to talk about that.

SPEAKER_16 4:46

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 4:47

I mean we can start there, but before I before I do that, you know, I feel like I gotta do something. I gotta take some chances this episode. And it's probably gonna be a shorter episode. I'm gonna just let y'all know that from the jump. Uh it is the weekend of Palm Sunday, and we are all very, very, very freaking busy.

SPEAKER_16 5:06

So And excited for our Lord's resurrection. Of course, of course. His This might be our last podcast triumphant walk into Jerusalem. So Jesus might come and this is the end of the pie show.

SPEAKER_04 5:19

Very possible. If Jesus comes, this is the last episode they're gonna get. So do your thing, you know what I'm saying? You don't think Jesus will wanna be a guest on pie? Yeah. Nah, I think he's good. I think he got a lot to get off. I think he's good.

SPEAKER_16 5:34

Niggas gonna scrutinize the shit out of us.

SPEAKER_04 5:37

I'm just saying. He already did.

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That's a fact.

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Listen, man.

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He already did. Shout out to Jesus.

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Ladies and gentlemen, they will leave in honor of uh bully finally dropping, available in all your phones. We gotta remind you who Kanye West is. If you haven't heard bully, because if you heard bully, still alive every time I bring him, then he already reminded you.

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Ever ever ever ever ever ever still big with his hands, things going for real. Little celebrates here with Leon and how we connect to the diamonds.

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Listen.

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I think it's the remix of that song that I listened to.

SPEAKER_04 6:37

Yeah, it was the remix. I just didn't get the Jay-Z part. Yeah. Also, I think this is the remarks. The one on my phone is is the I only have the one with the Jay-Z.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

Which one is the one that's like close your eyes and imagine? This is the remix. Vegas on Acid, all seen through St. Laurent glasses. I mean, it could just be like the second verse or something. I didn't think it's a good idea.

SPEAKER_16 6:54

No, no, no. That's because I heard it today. And I thought this one was also the remix. Good morning. Yo my god, Kanye.

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Every time I'm up doing something before I should be doing it, this is the song that plays.

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I mean, do you have to be a good one?

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Ladies and gentlemen, the story ever told. Kanye East is on the ones and twos right now.

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So aka your boy Cito.

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And then he's gonna hit you with the No Seat on the Island.

unknown 7:35

Hey!

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How could you be so heartless? How could you be so cold as the wind? The wind went and breeze, yo. Just remember that you promokin' the me, yo.

SPEAKER_04 7:45

But welcome to the Kobe Bryant episode, episode number 24.

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After all the things we got into. Hey yo, I know what some things are. The Jew told me.

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Hey, yo, I did some things, but that's the old me.

SPEAKER_15 8:01

Yeah, man. Fuck that's an old and that whole cast. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. I'm living in the 21st century. Doing something to it, nigga.

SPEAKER_04 8:15

Yeah, this this dude has done it and done it well for a very long time.

SPEAKER_16 8:20

Exactly. Ain't no fuck that Drake shit. Uh don't you?

SPEAKER_04 8:27

Nah, Drake. I mean Drake. Drake is fire. But I will say this is a different. This is different.

unknown 8:34

Oh.

SPEAKER_04 8:34

As much as I love Drake, this is different. This is the one song, this is different.

SPEAKER_16 8:38

That has a whole bunch of niggas and one girl, and that girl bought the nigga.

SPEAKER_04 8:45

Matter of fact. Sorry. Sorry, Hove. Sorry, Hove. Sorry, Hove. We love you. We love you. But everybody knows. We gotta get to this verse right here. Okay?

SPEAKER_17 9:09

Uh the monster automobile gangster. The bad bitch that came from Sri Lanka. The colour color of Willy Wonka.

SPEAKER_15 9:18

But watch the king conca. Then I'ma stop rocket gold teeth and change. Oh yeah, we gotta cancel this episode.

SPEAKER_04 9:35

He's done it for a long time, ladies and gentlemen. I'm just trying to paint a picture for y'all. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_16 9:41

Hits after hits.

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I'm just trying to paint a picture for y'all. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_16 9:44

What's that shit called with Jay-Z, uh Rihanna, and him?

SPEAKER_04 9:48

Oh come on, brother. Come on, brother. I gotta show the people. Some of them forgot. Some of them forgot who this man was. I'ma remind you this episode. I'm just gonna remind y'all this episode. You know what I'm saying? That's all. This is why this nigga will murder the fucking superboard. I mean, there's just too much. There's just too much.

SPEAKER_02 10:17

When you come out, nigga C's, you should just walk around just being like, me. Oh yeah.

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I gotta testify. Yes. I'm a little fat looking extra fly.

SPEAKER_02 10:29

Yo, the video to this shit was hilarious. I love this shit.

SPEAKER_06 10:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

But I think it's the uh the part with Tracy Ellen's wrong. Oh yeah, oh yeah. I think it's like he leaves up for a white girl and she looks like bad boy street team.

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I couldn't fuck the locks.

SPEAKER_16 10:51

Oh, the good life he talks about in the uh playing me and what is it?

SPEAKER_04 10:55

He said for a long time, ladies and gentlemen. A long time. You understand? You know how long a long time is. This is how long? Up in the moment. Y'all don't even listen to this no more. You forgot this one.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

Good thing, good thing Momo not here. He's not gonna get named in the lawsuit.

SPEAKER_16 11:18

I'm getting sued. We are getting sued.

SPEAKER_04 11:21

People get divorced for that. Nah, his name is on the Page note. It's limited liability for four people. Moisés de Rosadio. That nigga going down. Yes, sir. Ashley De Rosadio 2. Rosca De Rosadio 2.

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Rosalina Francisco 2.

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And Carolina Alexandra.

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Pretty cards and stamps.

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Make sure you say her last name. Francisco. Nabisco. Chris go. Trisket. Rosa, Rosa probably go down for the she'll OD Kanye was. Remember when everybody thought and swore that that was future? Do you remember? Yeah, design. Do y'all remember that? Yeah. Because I remember that. I can't blame him though. That nigga was a little bit more than a little bit. You know what's crazy?

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I miss the old Kanye. Shape from the goal. I hate the new Kanye. The bad mood kanye. You remember the S announces? And this is what the nigga wants.

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And started rapping this shit, nigga. I was like, oh day.

SPEAKER_05 12:21

See, I invented Kanye. Listen. They couldn't say the shit they want to say.

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A long time. You know what I'm saying? This shit is so underrated.

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You're such a fucking hoe. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 12:36

Hey. Listen, man. Turn your headphones up. Y'all don't if y'all listening to the card, turn the speakers up, man. Okay. Cover the kids' ears. They shouldn't be listening to this.

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Your boyfriend is the door. Oh. Make love in Dork.

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Hey.

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Dork.

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Hey. Hey, bitch. Hey. Nah, you gotta find that. I'ma say fuck that like sister.

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I don't know nothing.

SPEAKER_16 13:00

Ladies and gentlemen. That was the other shit I was telling Rebecca, nigga. I wish I would have been old enough. Not old enough. Like had a career job, nigga. That's why I said old enough. To be in Paris, nigga. But when watch the throne, niggas at the forget about it, nigga. Fuck, bro. I mean because we saw that video for that shit today. That's the one music video that they use the concert for. Why, nigga.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

Yeah, that shit went crazy.

SPEAKER_04 13:35

Listen. I've been fighting for. This is the outro off of Bully that you're hearing right now. If you haven't, go download that. Go listen to that. Bully is out available now on Apple Music, Spotify, all the good shit, YouTube. Wherever you listen to music, it's there, man. Go get your vibes off. But I'm there was no way in hell that I was finishing with a song from Bully. I saved. It's not his best project, but it's my favorite. Not the best. It's my favorite.

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We're gonna skate to one song, one song only.

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Welcome to the pie show. This song encapsulates the pie show very well.

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Nigga said this is not AI.

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The last time these four niggas was in Paris, we was visiting the Pope.

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Holla took the boss motherfuckers gonna find me. Uh the first niggas gotta find me. What's 50 grand to a motherfucker like me? Can you please remind me?

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Don't shit square.

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We didn't even both be here. Tony right that we beat fair.

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Psycho, I'm like bow, to go mighty.

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Last time I was in Paris, I was running up my car. Cause ain't none of them charges hit till after I got back, nigga.

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It be like that.

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When them red numbers in the account going to the four figures, ball.

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You start questioning shit. Like 792 for a hot chocolate.

SPEAKER_04 15:06

What?

SPEAKER_02 15:07

All right, now they even put milk in that.

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One more time.

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Damn. 437 for a croissant.

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Alright.

SPEAKER_02 15:22

That's my that's my wife's fault, though, bro. Wow. Why she think why she think it's acceptable? My wife thinks it's acceptable to go on vacations with Klarna.

SPEAKER_04 15:33

A lot of people do. It's called brokenness.

SPEAKER_02 15:36

I bet yo, we ain't got the money now. She's like, yeah, but you know what you do got now? You got$237. And then in two weeks you're gonna have$237. And in four weeks, you're gonna have$237. Next thing you know, it's paid off.

SPEAKER_16 15:48

You got you got uh, I ain't even gonna front, nigga. Pay it in four. That shit niggas be saving lives, nigga. That's a fact. This applause is for Kanye West.

SPEAKER_04 15:58

They got a six-month one too. They do. They're trying to get listen, as broke as you are, they're trying to what it just remember this. As broke as you are, they want you broke. Yo, okay.

SPEAKER_14 16:06

Rose be telling me about her purchase power in Klarna, like she hit the lottery, nigga. She be like, oh, I'm clear to spend five thousand. Like that's plus five thousand. That's how they get you. That's how they get you. And you spend five thousand.

SPEAKER_04 16:21

You spend a five thousand and they give you another five. They want you to spend ten next time. That's how it is.

SPEAKER_16 16:25

Then all of a sudden, nigga, your four weeks, nigga. Nigga, you be like, oh, it's only a hundred dollars here. Nigga, all of a sudden, nigga, every two weeks, nigga, you're paying$932, nigga. You be sick, nigga.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

Yo, nigga. Yo, the church, listen, the church has.

SPEAKER_04 16:43

I'm not gonna lie, though. I wish I could clarin, like, convences and pilgrimages and shit. Like, if I could, I would.

SPEAKER_16 16:48

Oh, nigga, let me tell you. Like for Loreto, I would call it, I would clarin the shit out there. That that that's yeah, I don't know about that one. But I know nigga, when niggas be like, yo, the shit costs X amount, nigga, there's this one app called Sezzle. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know about Sesle. It just gives you a virtual card. You go, you enter, you could enter the amount you want to spend, and nigga, tap to pay. Straight up.

SPEAKER_02 17:13

Straight up. That would get me in a lot of trouble.

SPEAKER_16 17:16

This is not an ad. But um if you want to sponsor us, niggas would be a good one. I want to know.

SPEAKER_02 17:21

I like them Balenciaga's good. I'm done paying them off in 2027.

SPEAKER_04 17:26

First things first, uh, shout out to shout out to our boy Momo, who is not with us today. Like I said, it is Palm Sunday weekend, so all of us are really busy. Um, and it's a little bit hard to get together, drop this one. But we we had to get an episode out because next weekend is Easter, and we will be celebrating the resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So we will not be on the mics. I mean, I'll be on a mic, but not this one.

SPEAKER_16 17:52

Um we could go and just do the pie nigga in the middle of the Easter Vidal.

SPEAKER_04 17:56

What do you mean, like the second echo, right? Yeah, yeah, that's dip off real quick.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

And the song you can start off with is what is different about his name.

SPEAKER_04 18:06

Mama! No, um, shut up, bro.

SPEAKER_02 18:10

Uh and I got a few of my niggas with me. Let's uh I go by the name of Kat. I don't want to wanted the kids say that, bro. I don't want to jump right into one of my kids would I go by the name of Lila, and I got a few of my sisters with me.

SPEAKER_04 18:26

I can just see I can see my goddaughter Lucilla.

SPEAKER_02 18:29

My niggas just killed John. I'm gonna close the cask. Hey, Cloudy, let's get it poppin'. Hit me.

SPEAKER_04 18:38

Oh man. So uh I wanted to start with the with the skit and then some of the subsequent backlash. So this week, uh our guy Drewski. Uh I think it's safe to say we're all fans of Drewski. Oh, dude. Big fans of Drewski.

SPEAKER_16 18:52

Um support could've been love. Shit is funny. Yeah, no, no, no.

SPEAKER_04 18:55

Could have been love is everything he does. Uh um, because also just the the could have been records, audition, like everything is uh this dude is a I I really believe he's a comedic genius. I think. Nah, I I'm not the biggest fan of these IG comedians. Nah, pick it up. Pick it up. Just because it's Lucas calling you, pick it up.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

Hello? Yo, what's up, bro? Yo, why you don't answer the phone when I call? You don't fuck with me, bro? You was nabbing, bro. That's what they calling in now? That's the new stream right there. Yo, bro, I'm I'm gonna call you right back. We can't really hear him.

SPEAKER_04 19:37

But if no, no, no, just let him know that he's live on the pie show right now.

SPEAKER_02 19:39

Yo, bro, you live on the pie show right now, bro.

SPEAKER_16 19:42

And anything you say could be used against you under court of law. Time to say what's up to the people.

SPEAKER_02 19:47

Say what's up to the people, bro.

SPEAKER_17 19:50

Yo, I just wanna see this moment. No, let me stop.

SPEAKER_04 19:56

You gotta be careful with Lucas. He be taking stands and shit.

SPEAKER_03 20:01

I just want to take this moment to say free Palestine.

unknown 20:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

Don't worry, bro. When we get to the AI section of the pod, you're gonna be the guest, bro. Don't worry, yeah.

SPEAKER_17 20:10

We got you. I'm there, bro. I'm speaking straight bars, bro.

SPEAKER_08 20:14

Straight bars you got off from Chat GPT.

SPEAKER_04 20:21

Yeah, I'm gonna call you back, bro. Uh so yeah, um, yeah, Drewski, great, talented dude. I was saying one of my favorite things about Drewski is there's a lot of IG comedians, you know, we and we we follow them, we know them, or whatever. Not a lot of them can make it translate to what Drewski has, right? And talking about I'm talking about like the movies, the hostings, the award shows, the cameos, the collaborations, the Kevin Hart's and the with the streamers and everything. Like, he's really done something with this, so I want to start with that. His most recent feat has been a skit that he put out where he is imitating a white conservative woman. Now, I'ma just I'ma just come right out and say it. He's making fun of Erica Kirk. Right? He's he's basically like uh what are you what's the word? Cosplaying? He's no no not cosplaying. There's an there's another there's another word for it. He's trolling her. He's trolling her, but there's there's a there's another word, yeah. It's like it's not it's like it's not satirical, but yeah, he's he's pretending to be Erica Kirk, and it's it's first of all, do you guys did you guys think it was funny? I found it hilarious. You saw his you thought it was funny?

SPEAKER_02 21:30

Yeah, I mean I ain't gonna lie, I didn't think it was that funny, but it wasn't because like I was offended, but it just like coming off of some of his other shit, it was like funnier, you know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 21:40

Yeah, he's oh he definitely got funnier shit.

SPEAKER_16 21:41

Yeah, I think it wasn't yeah, it wasn't his funniest. No, I really like the the whole shit. Every time she would because it's yo, he would do the Jesus shit. He was like, yo, I gotta take my glasses. He'll be like, Because the Lord loves you. Yo, that shit with his eyes, bro. That he just opened them up looking mad, Chris. Yeah, that's well, allegedly that could be her.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

Yo, for me, it was just the fireworks, bro.

SPEAKER_16 22:07

Oh, yeah. Yo, and he's playing Meek Mill. Nigga, that I don't know. Nigga, that shit was nigga. Wait a minute. Y'all thought I was funny.

SPEAKER_04 22:16

It was funny. I I thought it was funny. But some people didn't think it was funny. So immediately when it came out, you got a lot of uh pushback. There was a lot of backlash on the internet, mainly from uh extreme right-wingers saying this is not funny. Um, you know, they realized who he was making fun of. It was a parody. That's what I'm saying. He was parodying Erica Kirk. People realized almost instantaneously that he was parodying Erica Kirk and they didn't like it. They thought it was unfair, they thought it was tasteless, it was classless, whatever. So, you know, you got a lot of comments about that, whatever. In that moment, I want to say that's when I really found it funny. So, like when I saw the clip, I was like, I was like, uh, like I laughed a couple times and I was and I just kept scrolling. Like that was it. It was like it was here and there. Like, I think Luca sent it to me. Uh Jenna sent it to me a couple minutes after that. I was doing something, I couldn't watch it. Whenever it was sent to me, I was doing something right at the time. But I finished whatever I was doing, and I watched, and I was like, ah, it's I was like, I laughed a couple times, and I just kept scrolling. Then hours went by and I started to see the backlash, and I was like, let me watch it again. And that's when it was even funnier to me. Because these people were so mad, bro. So freaking mad over a skit, bro, like over comedy. Like since I mean, not since when. We could we could probably say we know since when. Yeah. This, I mean, so, but I never thought that it was gonna get to a cease and desist being sent.

SPEAKER_16 23:44

Oh, yeah, I didn't even know when that was.

SPEAKER_04 23:46

Yeah, so Erica Kirk actually tried to file some sort of defamation against him and a cease and desist, but parody is covered under uh freedom of speech. Ah. So he he, I think he, I don't know if he tweeted it or whatever, but he put out there, he's like, Yeah, you know, they actually reached out, whatever, but like uh little did they know, uh, you know, parody's actually covered. It's it's one of my amendment rights, so nothing's gonna happen, buddy. Like, so yeah, basically, I'm I'm like, do y'all think, do y'all think it was like, okay, like if you put it like this, if you were Erica Kirk, and that's hard because obviously, one, we're not Erica Kirk, but to even put ourselves in the mind of a white conservative woman is probably a little bit difficult for the three of us here. But is there any kind of parody that could be done about you that you would go that far in terms of like, I want to sue this person, I want this person to hurt financially because they they made something to be funny?

SPEAKER_16 24:35

If I'm being honest, I would sue just on the strength of trying to make money. It's hey, I just do it, but it's like respect. But like if I'm being honest, like I don't give a fuck. It's like I've always said, it's like yo, comedy, that's what comedy is. It's like, yo, bro, you make fun of whatever situation. And that's why the whole thing, it's like people making it like, oh, she just lost her husband, da da da. Nowhere in that skit did he say, like, mention, like, oh, losing her uh a husband or freaking try to make it. He left this so open for interpretation because niggas know, like, yo, uh uh Erica Kirk didn't come in come out to Meek Mills or any hip-hop song. It's like it's clearly jokes. Yeah, it's like, bro, like, niggas is a sensitive.

SPEAKER_04 25:24

And that here's my thing, right? If you're in the public forum, which she is, and has been because of you know her late husband's uh line of work, you do have to at some point develop a thick skin and know that people are gonna send attacks. And and she receives like these attacks on the internet all the time. Yeah, that is a fact. I think what shock what kind of gives me pause in this situation is you've been you've been being attacked ever since your husband passed, and you were out kind of like campaigning, and you did that that memorial service with the fireworks and the music and everything. Like people were attacking you then. The comments were very nasty. There was vitriol, like people were attacking her then. Nobody got lawsuits, right? Even after that, you pop up with the president and whatever, and people didn't like it, and they're like, yo, this is weird. Like, you didn't your husband just die? Like, go grieve, and like people saying really nasty things like that. No lawsuits. A comedian comes and does something that is clearly in good fun, right? Yeah, like yes, he's making fun of you, but it's literally making fun of you. And a lawsuit has to come for like you're really trying to like attack this dude up for this? It's like, I don't know. It just to me, it seemed it seemed a little fishy, and I'm not the guy that always jumps to like race or anything like that or whatever, but to me, it wasn't a good look that okay, everybody is commenting and saying nasty things, but the moment the black comedian does it, it's like, no, no, no, we gotta sue him, we gotta get this take. So I'm not I'm not saying that that's what's happening here, I'm just saying that that's a very easy perception for somebody to have based off of how they responded to this, and also she's stupid because you don't even know if that's really Drewski.

SPEAKER_16 27:08

We know that that's yeah, you but but how how do you know? It's like nigga, could that shit hold up in court? How do you know that that's Drusef?

SPEAKER_02 27:20

Drush is crazy. Drusef. What would his real name be? I thought it was like Andrew or something.

SPEAKER_16 27:25

I don't know. But the thing is that yo, bro, she's just like Imagine it's like Drew Sean. But that's the thing. It's like it's real cute for conservatives to say whatever the fuck they want. And it's that's why I say both parties, nigga, whether it's uh uh you're far right or far left, nigga, you could do whatever you want until fucking they attack your side and all of a sudden you want to be all up in arms. It's like, bro, if you could dish it, nigga, then also nigga. You gotta be able to take it. Yeah, it's like why why the hell you gonna complain and bitch? That's why uh That's fair. It it to me is just something that, bro, and that's something that I freaking been pissed about. That's why I lost a lot of respect for Kevin Hart. It's like, bro, you had you were on top of the world. Why? Because you went and said whatever the fuck was on your mind, some of your funniest shit, yes, it offended people, but it's like I feel like that's the beauty of comedy. Comedy crosses certain lines. That's why even with this new scary movie six shit, it's like coming out, nigga, which I'm going, nigga. I think we should all go as a crew, nigga, and watch this shit. But the thing is, it's like, bro, comedy is supposed to cross barriers, it's supposed to freaking make you uncomfortable. It's like that's what comedy is. It's like, that's why I like I always like my wife, for example, she always says, like, oh, I would never want to go to a stand-up comedy and be at the front row. Because she knows, yeah, yeah. And it's like, for me, it's like, no, I want to sit in the front row. Because it's like to me, this is funny. It's like, yeah, like, yo, bro, roast me. Like, let's see, like, like, like that to me shows also like it's all in good fun, bro.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

Because all we do, like you gotta be a good sport to a certain extent. Like, I feel like people, when they get so offended at shit like that, it just shows like, damn, bro, like what kind of person really are you? Like, you can't even take a step back and say, ah, yeah, that was funny, bro. Like, you know what I'm saying? It may not be funny to you, right? But it's just like you can acknowledge that something is funny. Like, I be seeing, bro, like I think the funny shit is because everybody's like, ah, you know, he's making fun of a woman whose husband just died. And it's just like, bro, like, I think what's the but my thing is like the funny thing about it is is that her husband died, and she's doing everything, like she's acting like everything but her husband just died, nigga. Yeah, that's a funny. Like, because bro, like I to put an example, bro, when Kobe died, Vanessa Bryant, you barely saw her. She removed the Instagram, and you only seen her in a very serious capacity, still barely see her, or like receiving flowers, like you didn't see, bro, you didn't see her come out with no fucking WWE fireworks. But that's what I'm saying. Like, that's what people are like, that's what people are saying. It's like, bro, you can't die, she's acting like everything but that just you can't tell people how to grieve, but that's my thing.

SPEAKER_04 30:16

It's like it's not like you can't also like you can't be like, oh no, it's it's okay for her to be out and doing all the other stuff, but then like, oh, when when somebody makes a comedy skit about her, then it's like, oh my god, her husband just that's like all right, you get pick a side and stay on that side. Like, just I don't know. It was just it was it was interesting to me. I was like, this it just further proof that we are going further and further away from what should be the norm. Um, I wanted to also play this clip. Uh, we got a we got a couple clips from Jay-Z recently. So Jay-Z is going to be doing some concerts this summer, uh, because of the 30th anniversary and 25th anniversary of uh Blueprint and Reasonable Doubt um, respectively. That's obviously going to be a big moment for hip hop, huge moment for New York City. Uh, two uh three of the concerts are actually gonna be right here in the Bronx at Yankee Stadium, which is dope. I'm a big Yankee fan. Jay-Z's one of my favorite artists of all time. Uh, just a yeah, really nice. Um, I'm not too confident that I'm gonna be in the building because of the way the ticket sales is looking right now, but I do want to be there. So if y'all know somebody who knows somebody, hit your boy up. But um, as a part of that, Jay-Z's been doing some interviews and he said this interesting clip that I wanted us to react on. So oh my bad, the volume's down. There you go.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

The sparring and the music you get. But in this day and age, there's so much negative stuff that comes with it that we almost wish it didn't happen. Yeah, because it's it's not, it's it's not, it's almost like it's a final thing now. People that like Kendrick hate Drake, yeah, no matter what he thinks, no matter what he says, and it goes far too. It's like attack on his character and his thing, and it's like I don't know if I love that. Yeah, I don't know if it's helpful to our growth, where the fallout lands, especially on like you know, on social media, which takes place every day. Yeah, and now you have these positive cults, the stand armies, like it's like it's too far. Yeah, it's like bringing people kids in it, yeah. It's like I don't I don't like that. You know, maybe I've grown in a space that is probably you know, I sound like the old guy wagging the thing. But I think we can you get the gist of it.

SPEAKER_04 32:42

Jay-Z, the same guy who participated in many a battle, but in probably one of the most infamous battles in hip-hop history. I mean, probably only overshadowed by Biggie and Pac because of how that one ended. But Jay-Z versus Nas is, I think, unilaterally accepted as one of the greatest and biggest rap feuds beefs in the entire history of this thing. And here he is in 2026 saying he he don't like it. Like he's like, it's not a good thing. There's so much negative, and I think and there's nuance in the comments, but I wanted to hear what y'all thought about it. So anyway, anyway, y'all can go for it.

SPEAKER_02 33:22

Yo, I honestly this this part about it, I I actually agree with him. Um, because I I do think, like I do think just beef and hip hop has just it's become something, it's become something else. And I I think that there's positives and and negatives to it. Um, I'll say like one of the positives right now is I feel like the way this shit kind of manifests these days is it's a lot like faster paced. Like if like two people got beef, one person drops a record Monday, bro, like you probably hear from the next person by next week. I feel like when I was growing up, like you would have to wait a little while to hear a response. Like, or you definitely did. Or wait for like a mixtape. Now I guess it's because you know they call it like the microwave error. But that that could also be a negative too, because you don't really take time to enjoy the music. But I feel like now it's like that shit is like right in your face, and it kind of feels like uh, I don't know what to describe it, like almost like a sporting event. Like, cause it's just like live and like happening right then and there. Like, we're talking about the first track, and then like a few days later, it's like, yo, now we're talking about the next shit. So I think that's a positive, but I do think the negative is just like it has gotten to a place, and personally, like one of the people I blame for it is Pusha T. It's because like when he beefed with Drake, like he kinda won just off of the fact that he just had the juiciest personal information. So I think now like people just feel like the way to win a rap beef, like the the template is I gotta find the dirtiest, darkest shit in your life and bring it to the forefront. And because of that, now like rap beef is like super negative. Like it's like before I feel like there was just rap beef, rap beef just off of like, nigga, I'm better than you. Like my albums are better, like I'm better. My I got more people at my shows, and then now it's like gone to another place where it's just like like he said, like niggas is bringing niggas' kids into it, and it's just like like that shit feels weird. Like, I I I felt like back like back in the day, obviously, yes, like there was rap beef where niggas really had problems. But I feel like there was also rap feuds where it's just like the two people could coexist in the same space and it wouldn't have to be an issue. Like, I feel like these days, the type of shit that people say about each other, it's like if you saw him at the basketball game, it's like you have to run up to him and something has to happen. Like, yeah, just because of the shit that they're like that people are saying about each other, and then I I also agree with the Stan culture thing because there's a lot of people that just like you when two people get into a rap beef, they just feel like they just have to choose a side and they can't divert like from that side. Like you can't be, like you couldn't be a Drake fan that like Kendrick, you couldn't be a Kendrick fan that like Drake. And I feel like the reason that that's negative is because you take like just it's like it's like you're watching a fucking football game and you're and it's Patriots Seahawks and you're a Patriots fan, and the Seahawks is fucking smoking the Patriots, and you're just like, nah, they cheating because they doing this, and it's just like yo, bro, like watch the fucking game. I'm honestly give credit when it where it's due.

SPEAKER_16 36:20

I'm honestly shocked, dude. That those words came out of your mouth. It's like it's like like what the nigga niggas have been disrespecting niggas' families, bro, in beefs, nigga, like talking about nigga seeds, wives, whatever. Like, one of the most iconic ones is like that's why I fucked your bitch, you fat motherfucker. It's like nigga, fuck being called the pedophile, nigga. Fuck being called, like, yes, but the stigma behind. No, it is, but nigga, like for example, I know I'm not a pedophile. Yeah. And it's like, you could say, oh, you a pedophile, you a pedophile, nigga. Well, that I guess that's also the way I am. Like, I don't give a fuck. But nigga, you bring my wife into this shit. Not that you just bring her in, nigga. You say, I'll fuck your bitch. It's like, bro, and especially because, like thinking being a celebrity, nigga, you might have, because it was this chick, what's the fucking fate uh name? Uh Biggie's girl. Faith Evans. Faith, yeah. Faith Evans. It's like she was also an artist. Like she was out there. And it's like, yo, this could possibly, this possibly could have happened. Yeah. And it's like this nigga starts off a song like that. It's like, bro, it's like, and also Jay-Z himself, like during that beef, he said some very disrespectful shit to Nas, just like Nas also said to him. Uh uh, same thing. It's like, niggas, yo, I feel like hip-hop culture has always been like, yo, nigga, I'ma kill you. Like when these beefs, like, I feel like, yes, it does attack a person's kid, like as of lately, they're attacked, they're they're almost like attacking your character. Like saying, but the thing is, for me, it's like, bro, for years this has been hip-hop beefs. Like, niggas talk about murdering each other, killing each other, fucking uh uh running into your mother's house, like holding her hostage kind of shit. It's like, yo, that's been the fucking beef. To me, this shit sounds like business, not not uh, it's like even though he said, I'm not a businessman, no nigga, this is businessman Jay-Z. This is the business. Like, he can't go out there and say he supports this shit. He has to come out real PC and make it. Because nigga, he's not out there like that rapping. He like, it's it's one of those things that I heard recently, like with 50. 50's he he he was in music, he was like a hardcore rapper, but that's not 50 now. That like going to that, like not to bring this shit up, but it's like the whole TI and 50 beef. Nigga, everybody knows this nigga isn't gonna respond. Like, this nigga is not really. He's not gonna rap respond.

SPEAKER_04 38:46

Like, he'll do something on Instagram.

SPEAKER_16 38:48

Yeah, yeah, like that. It's like, and it's the same thing with Jay-Z. It's like now in hindsight, because I think he also might have said that it might sound hypocritical from him, but it's like, I feel like this is him protecting his brand and what he stands for today. But he also knows, like, bro, this is the fucking culture. It's like, bro, yeah if you go out there and start beefing, it's like, bro, when there's a beef, nigga, it's a beef. It's like, because that's the thing also where don't like, let's not forget, nigga, when these two niggas is beefing, niggas ain't doing it for fun. Yeah, niggas is doing it because it's two niggas who legit don't like each other. And it's like, when you don't like a nigga, because that's like nigga, I I would be a hypocrite to sit here and be like, there's a nigga I don't like, I won't disrespect him and his whole family.

SPEAKER_04 39:32

Yeah. I think when I hear when I when I hear it, it's like, okay, like kind of what Zay said, I feel like part of it is something I can I can agree with, but you know, then there's part of it that just remembers, you know, some of his bars from um takeover, uh, you know, just when when he's obviously going back and forth with Nas. And I'm just like, you know, you're the same guy who said these things, so it's like it's kind of hard. But I mean, obviously, is he is he the same guy? Like, is he the same person? It's like, no, him and Nas is good now. No, yeah, and also, but they're also they're also older. They're the elder statesman of hip-hop now. And I think he might be seeing it from a place where he's like, Look, yeah, when I was in my 20s, I thought this shit was cool, and maybe even in my 30s, but in my 50s, I'm realizing this shit ain't it. Like, if if we're really gonna push this culture forward, this ain't really it. I think one of the biggest differences now, too, that kind of throws a wrench in the whole thing, is the stand culture. Um, and I think when you cover and you speak about the Drake and Kendrick beef, which it's wild. I mean, this is this is a beef that happened in 2023. Like, this happened in 2023. Or no, sorry, 2024. And we are still talking about it in 2026, like as if it's ongoing right now. Like, it's because stan culture it just won't let it die. And I grant granted, we got an interview from Jay-Z and several from J. Cole in a one-week span. So obviously, it was gonna be a topic of conversation, but it just goes to show like this one is gonna be different and it's gonna go down in history different because of fan culture and stan culture, they make these things seem so much worse. Like, if this would have happened in the 90s and he would have called Drake a pedophile in the 90s, it wouldn't have, I don't think it would have stuck as well as it did this time. Because now you got social media, so it wasn't just you call him that in a song. No, now you call him that in a song, and you got 12-year-old white girls making TikToks to it. Yeah, like that's a whole different animal. And I think where I think where I'm understanding Jay coming from is like, yo, today when you do that, it could go to such so so much of a different place, so much further than it would have in his time. So I get it, but I don't like I get it, but I also kind of get the hypocrisy too.

SPEAKER_02 41:51

I just think like when like when you connect the dots, like back then, there was just like a certain like understanding, like, all right, bro, like this is rat beef, like I'm gonna say everything, you gonna say whatever, and then it is what it is. But I feel like these days, and that's why like the stan culture like ties in, like, stand culture like tries to make this shit real, right? Yeah, so it's just like one of the like one of the things that happened. Nigga, Kendrick said Drake was a pedophile, like regular niggas is probably like he's probably not a pedophile, it's funny, whatever. But then you got niggas online, like, oh yeah, nah, he's really a pedophile. Look at what he did with uh Millie Bobby Brown, and it got to be like the girl on stage that he brought that he was talking about, like, oh I can't believe you the that girl's father had to come out and say, like, yo, just so y'all know, like nothing inappropriate happened. Like, I keep tagging my daughter and things. And people don't make trying to make this a story.

SPEAKER_04 42:44

They still kept saying, nah, we don't care, it was nasty.

SPEAKER_02 42:46

It was like But like that's what I'm saying. Like, so like back in the day, like one of the like one of the lines Tupac said, like, yo, my faux phone, make sure all your kids don't grow. Like, niggas was not pulling up on like Biggie's kids, like, yo, did you hear this shit that Tupac said? Like, did he do this? Like, I feel like niggas left it in the music. Like, these days, it's like, nah, like we have like we have to prove it.

SPEAKER_04 43:07

I was Biggie and Pac. And they left them in the music.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

No, no, no. I'm saying, no, not that. I'm saying, like, the the fans of it. I'm saying, like, and even and even today, like you you see shit happen. Like, I didn't like that shit either. And I'm a Drake fan. Like, nigga, Rick Ross was like trying to perform like in Montreal or some shit, and like Drake fans jumped him or some shit. And it's like, like, bro, like it's it's music. Like, like, what are we doing? You know what I'm saying? Like, I feel like the stands, like that, they make that shit worse because they make that shit real. Like, they're make the niggas try to make it so like certain people can't come to Canada and shit. And it's like, bro, like, nigga, not even Drake is doing that. Like, y'all, y'all taking it. Like, I feel like that's what happens, like the stands, they take it to a certain fucking level. Like, when you have people who have to come out and say, yo, just like just so you knew, just so you know, like I took a picture with Drake when I was 16, but that that was the end of it. Because like niggas are constantly tackling. You in something like, oh, but Drake did this with this person. It's like now they gotta come out and be accountable. Like, yo, just say I know this shit not real.

SPEAKER_16 44:07

So is it really the fans or is it the the like the internet, uh like the access to internet today? Because I feel like that's also the thing. Back in the day, like nowadays, nigga, you could GPS fuck uh like Google uh uh like a nigga's address and just pull up to a nigga's crib. Where before it's like nigga, you didn't know where the fuck, like for example, I remember niggas used to say, like, oh, uh 50 Cent bought uh Mike Tyson's house in Connecticut and that's what he but niggas don't know where the fucking Connecticut that shit is. Yeah. Today you can't. Today you could Google like uh Today you could drive right up to that motherfucker. It's like, but that's the thing. I feel like the access to the internet has given, like, I guess, yeah, like because of fans, yes, this has given it more fuel than what there needs to be.

SPEAKER_04 44:49

But I also feel like uh uh it's not just fans, like I feel like when you talk stand culture, it's rarely ever like these like adults and stuff like that. Yeah, stands are these like obsessive. The issue is these little kids, bro.

SPEAKER_02 45:07

It's kids, motherfuckers who shouldn't even be on the internet, bro.

SPEAKER_04 45:09

Or immature or immature ass adults, like it's kids and really immature adults. Because I know some people who took it way further than it needed to go, and even still to this day probably continue to take it further than it needs to go. Like, oh my god, this guy's such a loser. Or this guy's like, bro, why do you still care about this? Like, I mean, in the grand scheme of your life, this really doesn't have to be a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 45:31

And that's and that's why, like, nigga, I'd be like, I'll be on Twitter and nigga, see C's knows this shit, right? Like, I'd be on Twitter, and one of the things I do is like, like if the like if the Yankees are playing, like I'll fucking check in with the scores, and I follow a lot of accounts, like people who talk about the Yankees and shit like that. But there's these like specific pages that are like dedicated, like, but on every team, like there's Boston pages that are dedicated to hating on everything the Yankees do, and Yankee pages that do the same exact shit. Like, and my shit is like, bro, I am not interacting with these motherfuckers because in my head, I'm like, bro, this is a fucking 12-year-old behind a computer who never leaves his fucking house. Or like, like the worst thing is they don't be 12-year-olds.

SPEAKER_04 46:13

No, because that's like that's my shit. I'm in the I'm in the space and I've met a lot of these people in person. And you can just tell regular people, we talk about meeting, you want to meet the biggest loser you could ever meet. I'm like, that's the people. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_02 46:28

Like, that's why we can't, like, I feel like we can't group, like, bro, we can't group fans into that shit. Because like that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 46:33

Yeah, that's not those aren't fans, those are different. And that's why I always say that there's a difference too. Like, when people tell me, for instance, like if you bring it to sports, right? I'm a Yankees fan. And I know people who are Red Sox fans, Mets fans, whatever. I've been okay. And some of them are fans of the Red Sox or fans of Mets. But some of them are Yankee haters. There's a difference between being a Red Sox fan and a Yankee hater. You can be a Red Sox fan.

SPEAKER_03 47:01

Yeah, I get it.

SPEAKER_04 47:02

But there's also there's people who they they want to see the Yankees lose more than they want to see the Red Sox win. There's people that want to see the Yankees lose more than they want to see the Mets win. You are not a Mets fan. You are not a Red Sox fan. You are a Yankee hater. That's what you are. You're not a fan of anything, you're a hater. Like, that doesn't, and you and then people would use that as their claim, like, oh no, I'm such a Mets fan that that's what it's like. No, that doesn't make you more of a Mets fan because you root for the Yankees to lose. And that's my thing. Like, again, I understand like that's part of like sports and everything or whatever. It's not me. That's not who I am, but I understand like that's how a lot of most fans are. So I that I get. But there's people who their whole fandom is that. And to me, it's like, no, you're not a fan then. Because like the Yankees have rivals. There's teams that I want to beat. Or, like, for instance, with the WBC, like I don't, I don't really rank, you know, the US as as DR's rival in the world baseball classic or whatever. Maybe the next one, I'm gonna be look checking for us when we play US to beat them, but I don't rank them like that. But DR Venezuela, it's like, yeah, I want to beat them every fucking time. I want to beat them. Every single time we play, I want them to lose. And I want us to win, and I want us to win like convincingly, and I want us to dance on their graves, and I want us to freaking hit 500 foot bombs and soltar the freaking único perreo that you only ever only ever saw in that game. Like, because that's a rivalry. Yeah, but it's not that I'm watching Venezuela play other games and I'm like, I just want them to lose. Like I'm ignoring DR because I just want to see Venezuela. It's like that, then how are you a fan?

SPEAKER_16 48:39

Like that you're that that's not fandom. Nah, and it it that that's the feeling that I had. We were having the conversation on uh Thursday where I was like, yo, bro, like, because we're going to Italy now in November, and it's like, yo, I I wanna wear, I wanna buy something that represents New York. And there's nothing more iconic than that Yankee fitted. It's like New York thing? It's like that's New York.

SPEAKER_04 49:02

And it's bigger than the Yankees.

SPEAKER_16 49:03

Yeah, that's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 49:04

It's so much bigger than the actual baseball.

SPEAKER_16 49:06

The thing is, for me, is just like, you know, I love my team and I stand by them, and like to Cito's point, I never thought about it like that. I don't like the Yankees at all. But it's like, at the end of the day, it's like overall, I want my team to win. It's like that's a because this nigga knows. Yeah. When the Red Sox start fucking doing bullshit, or it's like, I don't go up to him and be like, yo, fuck your team. It's just like like it was even last year in the in the wild card game. I was like, yo, bro, why the fuck did the Red Sox do this? Or even I would suddenly say, yo, why the fuck the Yankees did this? Like, yo, they should have done XYZ. It's like, yes, but in front of people, I'll put on the shows, ah, but he knows, like, this is like these two, well, four niggas, uh, three niggas, Moiselle also. It's like, these niggas know the way I fucking feel. It's like, yo, if we have to talk about, like, we'll talk about it. And it's like, that's just and it's true, like these fucking stands, nigga, they get annoying. That's why, and I think I feel like that's my issue. I don't hate Drake. I hate the fucking fans. It's like when the fans start doing all that bullshit, because it's like even last week when we were ending the pod, niggas got into the Kendrick and and and uh Drake beef or whatever. And that's my thing. It's like people were so focused. And yes, I get the point that it's like, yo, but you like he tricked him or whatever. Like, yes, that I get that part, and that part is fire. But the thing is, is and this is what I've always been telling people this beef was so evenly matched until the end. It was like it to me, what made him lose. If Drake would have dropped some fire like he was doing, I still would have, I would have been like, yo, this shit is that.

SPEAKER_03 50:49

We probably still would have to do that. Yeah, because it's like we don't know how it works.

SPEAKER_16 50:51

But the thing is, is like, I like I tell people, Drake lost that shit based on his response to not like us. It's like to me, because I feel like out of all the fire that nigga dropped, that song was like, eh, it to me.

SPEAKER_04 51:05

Yeah, and I feel like, I feel like, well now, before I get into that, I want to play some of the Jake Cole stuff.

SPEAKER_16 51:10

So just one last quick thing. It's just like that's what I always tell people, yo, enjoy the moment for what it is. Bro, we haven't had a a beef like this. Yo, two, like they say uh uh uh in one of the pods that I love, nigga, the lyrical miracle niggas. Niggas who can fucking spit. It's like, bro, we're never gonna, like, bro, after these two niggas, like J. Cole's talking about he retired. It's like, and he's one of the last few fucking real hip-hop artists. It's like if Drake and Kendrick retire, it's like, bro, we don't really have that much option. No, it's like, who else is gonna give us that kind of a beef left, like, yo, bars for bars, nigga?

SPEAKER_04 51:48

Like, which is why I'm not writing off J. Cole. Like, perfect segue into the next thing I want to play, but you know, a lot of people wanted to write him off because of the way he bought out the beef. And I'm like, I'm sorry, like, we don't have artists on that level like that. Right now, for me, it is Drake, Ken, and Cole. And when they hang it up, I don't know who the next round is. They telling me that it's J.I.D. and Baby Keem. And like, yo, shouts out to Baby Keem, dropped a dope project. J.I.D. dropped a great project last year. I mean, God bless. Neither one of them is J. Cole or Kendrick to me. Like, and that's cool, but the hardest person out of the big three to replace is not either one of them. It's actually Drake. Who's the next Drake? He don't exist right now. Like, you could say, okay, J.I.D will take J. Cole's mantle. I don't believe it, but like, okay, I'll I'll give you that. Baby Keen's gonna take Kendrick's mantle. Okay, don't believe it, but I don't believe that's good either. I could I'll give you that. Who's taking Drake's? Where's Drake's successor? It doesn't exist. So, like, I'm not writing off one of these dudes because the internet tells me that I have to because he but I don't give a damn what y'all say. Okay, J. Cole dropped the fall off. I was right there pressing play. Okay, I don't care. The apology, I wasn't thinking about that apology. Porter Antonio, I wasn't thinking about that song. I was thinking about who the fuck is you, who the fuck is that? That's all I cared about. So I I I'm not with that, but I want to play this clean.

SPEAKER_09 53:23

The five minutes, the five hours before, was it something that you had really thought of and planned? Or did you get on the stage and felt like I need to do this?

SPEAKER_11 53:31

No, it hit me an hour before. Okay. But but before that, I was stressing the fuck out for for uh but in the moment that the idea came to me, like the guide, it's like, oh man, I lifted and I got light and I got excited. I got so excited because, you know, to tell you the two or three days before that, it was it was like, oh my, nah, this is terrible because I feel like I misrepresented myself. You know what I mean? It's like all of a sudden, I'm giving life to division and to a negative comp to negative uh storylines or negative perceptions on somebody that I fuck with and got love for. You know what I mean? Somebody that I like care about. And it's like, oh shit. In my mind, of course, I mean, I could take you back to we know why that happened in the first place, but just to answer your question, that shit had me feeling terrible. Cause I'm like, oh my God, like this shit is nasty. This shit don't feel right. And of course, leading up to it, it made sense when I was doing it, it made sense. I had, I had uh, actually, I can't really say it made sense. But in a moment where I wasn't clear, like we were just talking about, I chose to do something that didn't align. It's like putting on the fucking uh outfit, the Versace sweater or whatever. In a moment where I wasn't clear, I chose to go this way for reasons that I could tell you about. But all you need to know right now is like, yo, I was I felt miserable about it. Like literally, like my my whole demeanor, my whole shit, my wife could tell. Um, and so I'm like, oh my God, I gotta go on the stage and and like come out here and pretend almost like people think that I'm represented. Mike delete later had just dropped. It's the biggest news, not saying Mike Delete later is, but just the drama of all it is, is the biggest news happening, and I'm coming out as a representative of what the fuck they just heard. It's like, oh nah. So an hour before it was like, uh. Like, yo, in a in a in a very loud manner, you know, in a very public forum on your album, you said some shit you didn't believe in. Now you got an opportunity to go on to uh a bigger form, you know what I mean? A bigger stage is being live streamed, live stream and say something that you believe in. And in that moment, I'm like, thank you, God.

SPEAKER_04 55:41

Like, okay. How'd y'all feel about that?

SPEAKER_02 55:47

I mean we I mean, we kind of already knew he felt this way. Like I this this is kind of like what I gathered when whenever he's spoken about it, like, you know, it was something that, you know, he didn't feel good about like he didn't feel good about it, it didn't sit right with him. So like, you know, he did it well with his spirit. Yeah, like he just so I kind of knew like he he felt like he felt like this. And I mean it it is what it is. I still don't necessarily agree with, you know, the reasoning or or the decision. But like I don't know, like I I I think just again, like I think it speaks to kind of like what what Jay-Z was saying. Like, I think he just felt like beef just has to become like this very like negative, dark thing. And I think that's what he thought, like, bro, like Kendrick is my man's. So for for if for me to engage in this, I have to take it to that point. Um I'm not about to do that. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm not about to say some shit, you know. And I think he said later, I think later in that interview or in another interview, he was saying, like, bro, like, there's nothing I said about Kendrick that wasn't like survivable or that crazy. And I and I agree, like, there was Yeah, he said he said that on uh the Cam interview.

SPEAKER_04 57:00

Yeah, because I I I think there's because I think everything he said about Kendrick was stuff that like niggas already knew and whatever, and it wasn't a big deal.

SPEAKER_02 57:07

Cause I I think there's a line, like I think there's like there's and he said that on purpose.

SPEAKER_04 57:10

He said that that's that was done. Yeah, he did that on purpose, which was my argument in our in that group chat when it came out and niggas was trying to shit him, like yo, whatever like that. I was like, but that's what he was always going to do. You remember? Yeah, we were talking about house and ow and everything, like, nah, that shit was whack because he didn't say nothing crazy what I was like. I was like, Yeah, but that's what he wanted to do. Like that's but I feel like he just confirmed exactly. I'm so glad he said that.

SPEAKER_02 57:32

I feel like it should. I I feel like rap beef should kind of always start like that, unless, like, it's one of those things where you really hate these niggas. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_04 57:40

It started like that, it started like that because he thought I truly and it it's coming up there.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

I think even even Drake and Kendrick kind of started like they ain't really go that crazy, like in push-ups or in uh or in like euphoria. Like it was.

SPEAKER_04 57:53

Fuck the big three, it's just big me, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 57:56

No, it is, but I'm saying, like, there's like I feel like there's a line. Like, you could always come back from that. Like Kendrick could be like, nigga, I felt like I'm the best. I still feel like I'm the best. Like, you can come back from that. But I just feel like not like us, like, and all that, you you can't like you can't come back from that. Yeah, no. Like Drake, like family members, family members, family matters, he couldn't come back from it. But but like push-ups, nigga, he was just like, nigga, Taylor Swift tells you when to drop. You short, you mad, short. Like, I feel like all of that shit was like playful shit. And I think Kendrick said it in in euphoria, like, bro.

SPEAKER_04 58:26

How you big stepping with a size seven man zone?

SPEAKER_02 58:28

Like Kendrick said, like, yo, this is a friendly fave. Like, we could keep it that way. Like, I think like everyone, all the big three had to understand, like, all right, bro, we gon', you know.

SPEAKER_16 58:36

So who crossed the line?

SPEAKER_02 58:39

Who crossed the line first? Um, I'm not a hundred percent sure, but I think Kendrick in that 616 song, he says something. I forgot, I forgot what it was.

SPEAKER_04 58:52

I think it could have been that. I think in Euphoria. I think Euphoria probably before that. I think it was Euphoria. But what I think said in Euphoria, I think push-ups was like Pity Pat, like, okay, I'm responding to you. Taylor made freestyle was also pity pat. I'm gonna do Snoop Dogg and fucking Tupac's voice and Kendrick, we need you, all that shit, like whatever all you you think you Tupac, whatever all that shit was pity pat. And then Euphoria came out, and he's like, he started saying shit like I think when you stand next to sexy red, you see two bad bitches. Like, just certain things like that is like, yeah, this is this ain't like that friendly fade shit. I don't know. I think uh I think he said it, but it was just like I feel like that's just like and then at the end, and then at the end, no, I I don't I feel because then at the end he baited him because he was like, that's something you don't want to do. Like basically he knew exact to me. It's like I get people saying, like, you know, it could have been friendly or whatever. In my mind, Kendrick never had any intention for that shit to be friendly with him and Drake. Oh no, he did not, he has not liked Drake for over a decade. Exactly the way that that shit went, that's exactly how Kendrick Lamar wanted that shit to go. It was never supposed to be friendly. And as a matter of fact, the moment that J. Cole bowed out, Kendrick was probably the happiest nigga on earth. Because he's like, okay, now I can really do what I want to do.

SPEAKER_16 1:00:09

Because I feel like, yes, it like I know he baited, I feel like that's what happened. He pushed that pity pat, like just like, I'm gonna push it, just go a little over the line. Just go right there. Why? Because I know that this nigga's then gonna come out with some other shit, and then I'm gonna go full. Cause it's like he's testing that nigga's manhood. He's like, yo, nigga, like you, like, like you said, it was like when I see you next to sexy red, I think you see two bad bitches. It's like, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:39

I think that just I think I just remembered. So I would say in euphoria, I would say Kendrick did, because there's a part, I don't remember exactly what he says, but he was just like, Man, I didn't play that shit. Oh, he mentioned that. It's like I didn't drop because I was with my kid, but you wouldn't know nothing about that. I think that's when I was like, I should kind of go on like because now you just basically call the nigga deadbeat. So I'm saying he's the first person that brought in the kid.

SPEAKER_16 1:01:01

Like, I feel like push-ups didn't really say. That's how you started off uh uh family matters. Like uh you uh mention my seed.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:10

And he said you also he was like, he also said that like when when Drake says the N-word, like he don't like it. Like he I'm telling you, there's a lot of shit in Euphoria that's like, bro, there was nothing friendly about it. Like I get it. And this is the same dude, like that years ago was like, ever since I tucked the sensitive rapper back in his pajama clothes, like that's not friendly. Like, I'm sorry, like like nobody find me another rapper that's talking about the rapper that put them on their first tour like that. You're probably not gonna find them, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, whatever whatever happened along the way that soured Kendrick and Drake's relationship, it was enough that Kendrick made a decision a long time ago that he didn't fuck with this nigga like that. Like he fucked with Cole and you know, whatever, but like he don't fuck with Drake like that. And I feel like this was always gonna go to that place. Um and look, man, when Kendrick dropped the apology, I wasn't I mean, sorry, when when J. Cole did the apology, I wasn't the happiest dude as a Cole fan. I felt like I was taking a lot of L's on the internet, as most of us Cole fans were. Um, but I said it back then, I say it now. I feel like honestly, if he as a grown-ass man felt like that was the right thing for him and his piece, I respect it. I mean, I understand that people aren't always gonna respect it, but I understand it. And and when you look at the way that the battle unfolded, I'm like, yo, it's the bet the best thing that he could have done at that point was was to apologize. I think the overall best thing he could have done was never to drop seven-minute drill.

SPEAKER_16 1:02:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:46

Overall, like if it was something that was so foreign to who you are and so untrue to your person, then you should never have dropped it.

SPEAKER_16 1:02:53

But he said it in that same interview. He was like, when he first heard it, he was like, Yo, this shit is fire. He was like, that was his first thought. Yeah, but then afterwards he was like, you know what he said on the song, and it was like, oh, yeah, what the fuck? It was like, yeah, he like he had that pause, like, yo, you coming at me too. It was almost like and that that's why, like, I get the whole shit started.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:17

When you listen to the what's it called, the first thing. I mean, some people were saying, like, oh, well, Cole started it because he made he said the big three line, and then Kendrick was like, Man, fuck the big three, it's just big me. I was like, that was the line that caught people's attention, and that was the line that was kind of directed at Cole. But the rest of it was all at Drake, yeah. Like the whole shit from all your dogs getting buried. Uh I'll take the pet with all these nouns, I'll turn into pet cemetery. Like, like it was he was going at Drake pretty, pretty heavy on that, on that, like that shit.

SPEAKER_16 1:03:51

And uh, but that that's my thing. Like, I understand Cole, bro, and I would have dropped the song also. Why? Because at the end of the day, bro, this that's why for me, Cole's real friend is Kendrick. It's not like he fucks with Drake, he might have love for him or whatever, but his real friend is fucking Kendrick Lamar. And I say this only because, yo, if any of y'all, like if we tomorrow started beefing, nigga, any other nigga could come, bro, and I'll be like, uh, whatever. Yeah, I might respond because this nigga's getting disrespectful. And if he gets disrespectful, I might respond. Yeah. Nigga, if y'all two niggas do some shit, bro, that it nigga, y'all niggas might just be like, yo, this nigga G, bro, with his like nigga got a big ass head, bro, and always fucking getting in the way. I don't know, say some stupid shit. Nigga, I'll be nigga, that shit, nigga, oh nah, that shit is that that example is stupid. But if y'all said some like real shit, nigga, where it's like, yo, you don't fuck with me, nigga. That shit hurt, nigga. Like, yeah, nigga, all like I wouldn't think logically. It's like my mind, nigga, would go to a place, nigga, it's like, where I would lose my fucking cool. Why? Because it's niggas that I fucking, I call my brothers. It's like, yo, when it's different when it's just a random nigga that you could just dismiss or whatever, or you're like, yo, I don't even talk to you like that, or whatever. Yeah, but nigga, when it's your brother coming at you.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:14

It cuts deeper because it's just like, not, it's not even just what he said, it's just wait, so we're not as cool. You not my man's? Like, how one, how long have you been feeling like this? Two, it's like, nigga, you could have called me. Like, it's so personal because it's just like, damn, like, it's not just what you said, it's the fact that you felt this way, and I'm thinking you my man's. So it's like a betrayal at that point.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:36

I feel like Drake also did some stand-up shit for him, too, because he said it. Like, the plan, because they were on tour together, so the plan was always for Drake to pop out at at Dreamville Fest. He said originally the plan was to have Drake and Kendrick pop out at Dreamville Fest, but could never get Kendrick to commit to it. Um, but Drake was gonna pop out even after everything happened. Um Initially, and then you know, as the you know, beef started to kind of like pick up, Drake was like, nah, I'm not gonna go because if I go, like, it's gonna, you know, ruin that whole moment. It's gonna make it a thing about, you know, all of us and and this rap beef. And at the end of the day, like, if you're not trying to do that, you're trying to do something else, then it's better if I don't go. And I was like, I respected that. Like, I was like, that was that's a good move. Like, and because Drake didn't, he said, like, if Drake would have pulled up, then I probably would have never apologized because I wouldn't have been on that type of time. We would have been on whatever time, you know, rapper time. Like, we gotta be here, we gotta perform uh first person shooter and all that shit or whatever. But because Drake didn't go, it left him that space to then go and apologize. So I think that was a help. I I think look, J. Cole seems like a stand-up dude.

SPEAKER_16 1:06:46

Um and I just want to say I was tight when that nigga apologized. Because I was one of those.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:50

Yeah, nah, me too. I I was I was I wasn't tight. I was just disappointed. I was like, damn, man, I felt like I was mad.

SPEAKER_16 1:06:56

Because we wanted the bars. We wanted the like we wanted.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:58

Really, I just wanted to see him engage with somebody on the level of Kendrick Lamar because I feel like at that point, the way that J. Cole was rapping at that time, I was like, look, out of the three of them, he's the best rapper right now. So if people gonna beef, that's cool. Like, let them all beef. But I feel like J. Cole about to come out on top of this. Like, that the craziest thing is the best rapper out of the three of them at that time literally tapped out and left. And that's crazy. Like, people would say, nah, but Kendrick and I get it. But at that time, when this happened, Kendra uh J. Cole was on a run of features and everything where he was murdering every single beat, every single feature, every song. He was just murdering everything. He looked like Wayne. Like, yeah, bro. So when this shit started, and then you get seven-minute drill, and I get it. For some people, it's like, oh, he didn't really say nothing, he didn't go too crazy, but the rapping was still high level, and it was like, look, this is just like a little taste. Like, I feel like if it does go there and he's gonna be the one rapping, we are gonna get some classic shit. We never got it. Because he was like, nah, I can't do that, I can't do that with these dudes. Like, I'm I respect it, but that's what disappointed me there. It was just like, damn, like I feel like we were kind of like low-key deprived of something that could have been something great. And it just, you know, we didn't, we didn't have the opportunity because he didn't want to he didn't want to go where it went. And I kind of I kind of get it at this point. I mean, looking back, and that but looking back, he's he to me, a lot of people don't feel like this. They feel like, oh, you know, he tapped out, he's wondering whatever, he's not in the big three no more. Who cares? That's like who cares? Like, he just dropped an amazing album, sold a bunch of units, like he's a winner. He's a winner, like he's still winning. And I mean, look, people have a perception of him now, that's cool, but I think those of us who know about rap and listen to rap or whatever, we still listen to that J. Cole album and listen to the Blizzard of '96, all that shit, and said, bro, this motherfucker is still one of the best ever. Like he's one of the best ever. And that doesn't change because he apologized.

SPEAKER_16 1:08:57

And I like the fact that Jay-Z also uh spoke on that whole shit with him and Cole.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:02

Yeah. That that's that's interesting. That one. I feel like there's a lot more to that story, but we'll never get it.

SPEAKER_16 1:09:07

Yeah. But I like, but that's what I said. Yeah. Because I saw the Jay-Z into it, and that's what I said earlier. Like, he's protecting an image. He's trying, it's like that's why I don't I take everything that he's saying with the grain of salt, only because it's like he's just trying to play uh, what is it, politics. It's like he's trying to make sure that he's he's gotta be in the middle right now. Yeah, he can't, he can't go. Because it's like, imagine if you find out, like, oh, like, yeah, I really do have problems with Drake, and it's like, okay, then it makes sense. Like, this is why that nigga's not at the Super Bowl. This is why this nigga's getting all it. But it's like, for him to like, especially an artist as big as Jay-Z, it's like you need to freaking, but I don't know. My point is, nigga, that like I was saying earlier, nigga Cole reminds me of uh of us. Because I feel like that's nigga that we've all gone through that moment. I was like, yo, fuck this nigga, because we've been hurt one way or another, and then it's like, or at least I'll speak for me, nigga. And then I've gone, but like, yo, I fucked up. Like, nigga. My bad. It's like, yo, I I went, I went a little crazy, or I thought this, or I said this, like, nigga, that, and that's why I respect a nigga.

unknown 1:10:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_16 1:10:18

Shout out to Cole, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:19

And that's why for like for me, bro, like even personally, like I had to, like, one of the ways I had to grow is like I had to learn that in certain situations, like, I just gotta step back. Like, whether it's like in like friendships, even even with my wife, like sometimes I just gotta like not say anything because I know like I'm gonna say some wild shit, and then I'm gonna just have to be like cold, like, listen, babe, this didn't sit well with my spirit. Like, because yo, I know me, like yo, when I'm mad as fucking venom, and then the next day I'm just like, but why did I say that, bro? Because like now I gotta apologize. So like I had to learn, like, bro, in certain situations, like it's better just leave the conversation or like remove yourself from the situation because then you're gonna like for me, like I put my I always put myself in a situation where it's just like I do some wild shit, and then I gotta go and take it back. And certain shit you can't take back. So it's just like that's like that's like the growth. Like, I had to learn that shit. Like, bro, like it's better sometimes to say nothing than to respond with violence or just like react like the first shit that comes to your mind. Because like that's the way I am. Like somebody says some shit to me, the wildest shit comes to my mind. So it's just like I'd be like, damn, let me let me just not say anything. Like, I think that's why, and that's why we I think we all agree, like, bro, for it to end up how it ended up, it'd have been better if Cole just never dropped that shit. Like, at all. Yeah, like because if it was gonna end up how it ended up, you'd have been better off not dropping that shit. Because we would have all still been saying, like, listen, man, if Cole would have got in that beef, nigga, shit would have turned out different.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:56

Yeah, I and I still I still do agree though. I think if Cole stays in the beef, I think it turns out very different. But it is what it is. I mean, at the end of the day, one of the one of the biggest feats I think for Drake that a lot of people don't give him credit is is that not only did he survive the onslaught from Kendrick and Rocky and Rick Ross and everybody else who decided to jump in, the freaking Metro and all these freaking people, he also survived being abandoned by J. Cole. Like, like, yo, that's what that's why I feel like when you really put the the battle into full perspective, like the odds being against Drake is an understatement. Like he really stood no chance ever. Like, and he still went into it and rapped and you know, had a showing. Like he was like, I'm not just gonna not fight though. Like, I'm gonna fight. Like I'm gonna, whatever. And then I think not like us comes out, and I think once he saw that the layer of the land was what it was, it was like, look, I mean, in all honesty, what am I like there's what am I fighting against at this point? Like, this is bigger than Kendrick, this is bigger than Rick Road, this is bigger than all of them. Yeah, you're talking about now I can really see what's happening here, I can really see what this battle was about from the very beginning, and I can't solve this problem by rapping against Kendrick Lamar. This problem that I'm really having is a problem that now needs to be solved in courtrooms because what's happening here is the people who own the label that I work at are trying to devalue me so that they can underpay me and screw me on the next contract. And then I can't win that battle on a song. There's I could put out the best song in the world. It's not gonna change the fact that they don't want to give me the billion dollars that I want. And you can't prove you can't make them give you a billion dollars because you outwrap somebody on a song. I think once he realized that this is the play that's really going on, it was never just, oh, you're battling this, it was never just that. It was never just that. The issue is you sign for 400 million with them, you recoup the money quick as hell, your contract came up, you want to renegotiate the contract, you go back to the table, they offer you the same exact deal,$100 million more. Now this time it's$500 million, and you're like, wait, what? I mean, we did$400 million last time. You got your money back in the first year of the deal. I've been touring, dropping albums, dropping features, doing everything. I mean, making money for you. I've made billions for you. Billions plural. And now you come back, and the upgrade you want to give me is 400 to 500 million. I want a billy and I want ownership. And they're like, nah. Like, and you know why they could, you know why they say nah? Because they don't have to. Because that's the music industry. You can be Drake and they can look at you in your face and say, nah.

SPEAKER_16 1:14:41

And that was the other thing Jay-Z said. Is like, even that whole thing that the industry's trying to take him down. It's like, nigga, that's that's when I was like, oh he's like, I got Kendrick because he was he was like, he's the biggest artist. Like, who wouldn't want to be?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:56

He said he was having the he was having the best year. And he was. Yeah, all the time. He was having he was having the best year. Who made him have the best year? Nigga. Why was he having the best year? Let's let's get down to it. And Jay knows that, but again, I think he has to play. You guys are kind of alluded to. He has to play a certain role right now. So he's not a business, man. He's a business, man. Straight up. Um, look, we at like 115. I know, Zay, you probably gotta get going. So, should we just cut it here and see these people after the Lord has risen?

SPEAKER_02 1:15:25

Sound good to me.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:29

All right. Um, yeah, listen, man. Uh, this has been episode 24. I had a good one. Uh before before we leave, real quick. Um, we're not gonna do like a deep dive, a crazy deep dive, or whatever. I did I did want to talk about it, but then I thought about I thought better of it because Momo's not here, and I know he's gonna want to contribute to the Kanye album, of course. So, but real quick before we go, like we we acknowledge it at the beginning, bully dropped, uh, we're all very excited. Just like real quick thoughts on that, and then we'll be out. Classic. Classic.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:57

Well, no, so I can't say it's a classic because I feel like to say it's a classic, time has to pass. But for me, like uh shit, like I don't I don't want to take I don't want to take what G said. But one thing G said in the chat was like, yo, this shit just sounds like Kanye. Like, and that's that was when I was listening to it, I was like, bro, I just felt like I just haven't heard like Kanye sound like Kanye. Like to me, it just it gave me the vibes of just like just Kanye in his bag, like just locked in in a studio in fucking Wyoming somewhere or whatever. Like it was just that's the vibe it gave me. Like, there's a lot of songs on there. Like, as soon as I heard them, I was like, download, download, download. This shit fire.

SPEAKER_16 1:16:39

And like Sael, this is why you don't give your opinion in the group chat.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:47

Nah, yo, because I swear, like that when I was listening to it, I'm just like, bro, because like I like I'm saying, like, it can't be like a fuck, like I can't consider it like a classic yet, but I'm like, I'm like, bro, like, why is this shit hitting so crazy for me? Pause, because like, bro, like vultures didn't do this for me. The the Ye album didn't do this for me. Donda, Donda, like, and as much as I even like the the gospel album, Jesus is king, like just that that didn't do it for me, but like I just feel like this shit is just him just locking in, bro. And I and and maybe it's because of like also like nigga, he kind of just like put the music, like it wasn't like a whole bunch of wild Twitter rant surrounding this shit. Like, he was just like, nah, here's the fucking music. Like maybe, maybe it was that. Like, maybe I became like a prisoner of all the moment and all the anti-Semitism and all that other shit going on.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:39

But I think when when the music is finally this good, you don't need you don't need the antics.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:43

Like that to me, this shit is quality, bro.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:47

What I got what I heard from this album to me is like this is why we were getting all that shit before. All the antics, all the stupid shit happening, all the popping up here, doing this crazy thing, or whatever. I think all that was happening because he was insecure about his product.

SPEAKER_16 1:18:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:02

And I think it was like, yo, I gotta drum up attention, I gotta have people look at me, I gotta have people tap it in, trying to see like what's he gonna do next or whatever. Because I really I know that what I'm about to deliver isn't the highest caliber shit. So I gotta like make some noise around it and get people excited or whatever and do that. I think this album, he finally got back to a place where he was like, bro, I'm Kanye West. And my product is gonna be is gonna speak for itself. I don't gotta do no antics, I don't gotta do no interview, I don't gotta do no this, I don't gotta do no that, I don't gotta do nothing. I gotta I'm gonna do this concert, I'm gonna stream that, people gonna talk about the music, they're gonna hear it, and then I'm gonna drop it. And that's what he did. And the music speaks for itself. I only listened to it one time because I couldn't really go into it because music's one of the things I give up during this time. But as soon as we cut this shit off and all this shit is packed up, I'm going right back to that shit, and I'm having myself a night. Okay. That album is amazing.

SPEAKER_16 1:19:01

No, and I think for me, to Zay's point, that was my point.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:05

It's like To G's original point.

SPEAKER_16 1:19:07

It's like, yeah, it just sounds like Kanye. When I when I put it in the chat, I said it's like, it gives me 808 spy, it gives me uh my dark twisted fantasy. I won't say his like earlier projects, because it it I could see it, but it's like it's just the moment in life that he was during those projects, especially like my dark twisted fantasy. Again, that album came after he was spiraling out of control before that album. And then look at the classic we got. Then it's like again.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:39

Yeah, I always think Amber Rose, like I'm literally, bro. Yeah. Every time I see Amber Rose, like I don't care about nothing she does or says or whatever. Every time I see her, I'm like, listen, baby, you could do no wrong in my eyes. Because because of you, we got my beautiful dark twisted fantasy.

SPEAKER_16 1:19:52

God bless you. It's like, nigga, that like seeing that, because you know, he's also spoken about like realizing like, yo, I he hasn't been on his medication. And when he had, when he does, when he's not on it, it's like because I feel like that news also gets thrown under the rug. Why? Because it's Kanye West. Yeah. But it's like mental health issues is a real fucking thing. It's like it's it's a sickness.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:14

And he definitely has it.

SPEAKER_16 1:20:16

And it's like the thing is, I, and he, I think I I forgot, I'm paraphrasing it the way the way he said it, but it's like when he's off it, it's like he he I think he said something towards the the point that it's like in his head, he feels like the medication is the thing holding him back. He he starts to think, like he starts to drum up these conclusions that at the end of the day he realized like it's it's it wasn't correct. And it's like it makes him lose control, it makes him think whatever like all the and it's like and it's like and that's my thing. It's like this man is a fucking talented artist. It's like, and it's not just the rapping, it's like it's also the beat selection. It's like this man is freaking amazed.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:59

Like, even the way he puts a song together.

SPEAKER_16 1:21:02

Like seeing him with, like I saw on Twitter, he was with what this dude called from Cali. Uh the fat nigga, the now skinny, big boy. It's like he was with them, and and like that excitement of him like letting him listening, uh letting him listen to a song and his excitement, and you see him dancing around and moving and all this shit, it's like, bro, that's the shit nigga that kind of like that that's Kanye when uh was it when we saw that what was that documentary that came out on Netflix? Uh Genius. Yeah, it's like it's like when we saw that, like when he was going uh uh playing for everybody, I think it was All Falls Down, or it's like and you saw him going to every office and playing. Or through the wire and shit. Yeah, yeah, through the wire. It's like that was the same excitement I saw in that video, and that's why on Friday I had AXCs. I was like, yo, bro, do you really think he's gonna drop? And it was like he said no, and I was like, Yeah, I don't think so either.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:56

And then I said I was like, so I always with Kanye now, where I'm at, is I can't let myself believe that he's dropped. I was like, so I was like, my answer is always no. I'm like, no. I have to say no, I have to say no. Even if I feel like whatever. And deep down inside, yes, I felt like it was coming because the concert happened. Yeah. If the concert wouldn't have happened, I would have been like, fuck no. The concert happened, so I was like, okay, the concert happened, I think that I think we're close. I don't know if it's gonna be, but we're close.

SPEAKER_16 1:22:24

My thing was I woke up early on Friday, yeah, and I didn't see it.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:29

Yeah, no, no, it wasn't, it didn't come out Thursday night. I checked, didn't come out Thursday night, didn't come out Friday morning.

SPEAKER_16 1:22:34

Yeah, so I was like, well, yeah, when I realized that it might have come out, because everybody, what was it, last night when we was at church, people started posting up clips of like, yo, this song, and then Aiden Ross was like, yo, this shit is fire. It's like, and then when I saw, I was like, time out, wait, what? He dropped the album, and then when I started looking, like uh looking at the videos or whatever, I was like, oh, this, but then I realized that they you could all at first it wasn't well, I don't know about Spotify, but I know that the only way to get it is if you downloaded it from the website.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:06

That's what people were doing originally. I think so. I think what he did was he dropped it exclusively on the site to drive traffic to the site and to get the direct sales first, and then he eventually put it on the DSPs, yeah. Like a staggered release on DSPs, which is good because you get your money and stuff like that, which I'm sure he did.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:22

But and I think just something real quick that like G mentioned that is like really important, is like it sounds like the fact that the music sounds high quality, it actually sounds like he's in a good place, like mentally and like with his health. Because one thing that I know for sure, like a lot of people they don't understand, and it's hard to understand, especially when you see all the shit that lay that that Ye was going through publicly, is like his battle with mental health is similar to a lot of other people, like a lot of people struggle with being on medication because the problem is the medication you don't feel like yourself, and as someone, like when someone is very creative, that can be one of the things that being on heavy medication it snaps because like one of the things that like patients have always told me at work is like bro, like, because obviously by the time we get called and police get called, it's just like it's because niggas wilding the fuck out, and you're just like, Why didn't you just take the medication? And niggas is like, bro, I could take the medication and I won't wild the fuck out, but I'm gonna feel like a zombie. Like nothing, like you go from not feeling like doing anything crazy, it doesn't being on the medication sometimes, it doesn't feel like, oh, well, I'm just not gonna do anything crazy. Like people describe it as being on the medication, like I just feel nothing. Like, yes, the craziness is is gone, maybe the depression is gone, but also the joy is gone. The creativity, like the the energy, the enjoyment of life, like the shit that you would need, like if you're a Kanye West, you would need to tap into, like to make a good product. Like that shit is gone. Like some of the things like you just hear him say just sounds like he's in a good place. Like, yo, like my wife is OT, like doing something. It's just like you could just tell, like, he's talking about like everyday shit again. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's like he sound, like, I feel like he just sounds like generally like he's in a better place.

SPEAKER_16 1:25:15

In King, he says, like, yo, uh uh, I brought a white king, uh white queen to the altar. It's like that nigga could have gone left and been like, because even like, what was it in this song when he mentions uh and I did everything for uh and I did everything for a blonde dike, like yeah, he go, yeah, and when he remixed it, uh, was it at one of the concerts? He shitted on Amber Rose. Yeah it's like, but this time, like, yo, he went and he was like, yo, I took a white queen to the altar. And it's like this is all possible because of Martin Luther. It's like nigga, like this nigga could have gone completely. Kelly Price, what's the Kevin Costner? Yeah, it's like one of my favorite lines. Bro, it's like he could have gone, and it's like, yo, it's just really enjoyable to see. It's something that's just fucking beautiful, and I recommend people yo. If you haven't listened to it, listen.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:02

Definitely. I was saying that I've I know he's in a positive place because of the production. When you hear the type of production, it's hopeful, it's inspiring, yeah, it's love. Those those themes, like you can say those things with words, which he's done on all the recent albums too, but it's not the same when the music, the music actually pushes that theme. Like I was saying, I think the three songs that I mentioned, like All the Love, Mama's Favorite, and then I think the last one is called This Is the One, or or whatever. Those, those specifically, like if you you could mute the fucking words and just listen to the music of those songs, it's like you could tell it. Yo, he he's in a positive place. Like, I think he's in love again. I think he has happy happiness, I think he has joy back. Like, I can tell just of the production in the on those songs that like there's hope in his life again, there's inspiration, there's positivity, and yeah, I mean and when you watch the video, uh, because he heard it.

SPEAKER_16 1:27:04

Yeah, that I haven't seen the video. He only dropped the video for the shit with Travis Scott. Oh, the Father So Five, yeah, yeah. Father something, yeah. Uh is that yeah, that is father, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:27:13

Father something.

SPEAKER_16 1:27:14

And then, but the thing is, is that on the other videos for the songs on the album, he has like uh this visual in the background, and it's just like a kid fighting with wrestlers or whatever. Yeah, and then I was watching, like the first one came up, I was like, okay, it's just a random kid playing with fighting wrestlers. And then all of a sudden I realized like, yo, that's his son. It's like even seeing that, it's like, bro, he has it, it's like his son is the album cover. Yeah, it's like it's like seeing, but I didn't even realize that shit also until afterward. It's like, bro, it's just it's beautiful to see. And it's like that's something that fuck. And I don't want to just bring this back up, but it's like when you have the right support system by your side. It's like nigga, so much is fucking possible. And if I give my honest opinion, this is why I love Jay-Z, love his music. And I, if I'm if possible, also I'm gonna try to go to that concert. But the thing is, it's like Bro, it's a sad fucking day. When you see somebody you've grown up with or someone you've been with, it's been your ride or die for years, and you see that nigga spiraling out of control, and I get it, dealing with someone with mental health is is hard. But the thing is, how like where that like I think when we had the conversation also, we spoke about marriage in a sense, but it's like, where does love really what is what is real love then at the end of the day? Like this man has been for the past fucking five years spiraling out of fucking control. And no one has been able to step up. And that's why like uh uh like Jay-Z and all of them, it's like, bro, it's like yo, this nigga like loves you. Like, like, bro, not many niggas in hip hop make a song about another nigga. And he did. Calling him big brother on top of that. It's like like yeah, that just goes to and spoke about real shit. Spoke about like, yo, yeah, like nigga, I was upset at you. I hated you when you, when I thought we were all gonna go to Madison Square, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, we gonna be there. It's like nigga, when that yo, bro, I like that's the thing with Kanye. He lets you feel his emotions through his song. Yeah. And it's like, even the the shitty albums, it's like even through that, you know, it's like, nigga, you heard a nigga in pain. It's like you listen to my to uh my beautiful dark twist of fantasy. That's a nigga fucking that's remorseful. It's like he realized, like, fuck, like, yo, I I've been, I haven't been prioritizing the right thing. I've been going out of control. It's like all bro, it's like, and that's the thing with Kanye. I feel like that goes to his greatness. That's why he's one of, he's in my top five, if not three, favorite artists out there today. It's like oh, for sure. It's like this man is fucking amazing. And when you're getting this quality music and his bars, bro, it ain't nothing crazy. It's nothing like, oh, uh next level shit, but it's like you're also not getting that, like if he's saying something, then all of a sudden he'll just go like uh like uh like to try to fit all the words in and cram it in. He's not mumbling or anything. It's like, bro, he's really spitting like with uh uh the right cadence, like the the right flow, the right everything. It's like bro, it just sounds fucking amazing, and it's amazing to see.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:29

Yeah. Um listen, if I I try to save this talk for when Momo was here, but we ended up having it. So uh we'll probably get Momo's opinion on the next episode. But um, yeah, man, listen to Bully. Shout out to Kanye West. I didn't give uh I feel like the last thing I'll say on it, I didn't give enough, um, I didn't give enough credit to to his current wife, and I wanna take that back now. Um when he got with this with uh with Bianca Sensori, I was like, oh my god, this Kim Kardashian look-alike, this whatever. I'm gonna tell you, listen, there's no way, and I truly believe this in my heart of hearts, there is no way that we get this project like this if she wasn't worth her weight in gold to that man. Like I think he genuinely is in love with her, and I think she is a positive light in his life, and I think she had I just think whatever it is, maybe maybe not a couple years ago, but I could, but I feel like right now she is contributing positively to that man's life, and I think you can tell because the music is what it is. So I gotta put some more respect on her name. Because when I first saw it, I was like, this is gonna be stupid. Like, this is gonna be another divorce in the coming. Yeah, she she just needs to put on a bra. Nah, I mean, yeah, I mean, once once he let her start wearing clothes. Like, what the fuck is she doing? Once he let her start, I mean, yeah, it's like baby headlights are on, but what once he let her start wearing clothes.

SPEAKER_16 1:31:55

And I'm the deer.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:58

Ladies and gentlemen, that has been episode 24. Uh we will see y'all in two weeks. That's the name of the episode. Shout out to y'all.

SPEAKER_14 1:32:08

I'm the deer.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:09

And I'm the deer.

SPEAKER_16 1:32:14

That's the good with NF business. No, my fault.

SPEAKER_14 1:32:18

It's almost like that opportunity was like job. Yo no, like always.