The Pi Show
Growing in up in NYC during the golden era that was the 90's is one of the dopest experiences one could have on their resume. Add in immigrant parents and living in some of the toughest parts of the city and now you're cooking with gas! Each week the guys will speak from the perspective of being raised by parents who preach Jesus in the streets that birthed Hip Hop. Whether trading war stories from their childhood and their current family-lives or covering the latest topics dominating the timeline, their POV is distinct to say the least.
The Pi Show
Episode 29 - "Ice Man Cometh"
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Really aint much need for a bio this week. We covered the same thing that everyone is talking about. We do a song by song run of Ice Man before briefly covering Habibti & Maid of Honor. The episode closes with G & Cz debating whether or not this 3-album feat cements Drake as the GOAT.
I just burnt. What a way to start the body.
SPEAKER_07Iceman, baby. Iceman, baby.
SPEAKER_04Alright, I don't know why I'm doing this and we actually are recording. Like we gotta we gotta talk. Lady, we gotta talk. We got shit to talk about, man. We got shit to talk about. Habit titties. I mean, normally habit titties is crazy. Normally, though, I think the music is still going at this point. Or whatever. Maybe it's not. I don't even fucking know. But we're here, man. We here. Oh shit, we I had to go back to this shit because my Rhea shit is cooked, apparently. It's over for that. What happened? That shit got cancer? No, because they the same shit. If you want to know the so it's an interesting story. So these shits got, they cooked these originally, right? The geek bars. Yeah. They was like, nah, like something about it was like, we can't sell them, whatever. So then the people who created geek bar created the Rhea shit. So they could stay in the market, whatever. So they started doing the Rhea shit. And then they won the shit, so then they was able to bring these back, right? So they brought these shits back and they stopped doing the Rhea shit. Problem is, a nigga like me was really fucking with the Rhea shit, my nigga. So I'm like, damn, I gotta go back now. Like I that crazy berry was busting, but now I'm back with my sour apple ice. I'm trying to, what's up with this one though? What flavor is this? Nigga, I don't fucking know. I think it's watermelon. Frozen watermelon?
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Let me see. These the frozen shits always taste minty. I'm sorry. This shit is all right. Shit fruity. This is uh welcome to the welcome to the vape review pod. This is episode one.
SPEAKER_16Nigga, I gotta buy one and I keep saying I'ma buy one and I don't.
SPEAKER_04You do, you do. Today you I mean it's just it's a good it's a good thing to have. The store right over there on the corner. That nigga got mad shit. Nah. Oh yeah, my niggas, the the the habit titties. The habititis. The habit titties. They got their shit. Nah, listen, man. We gotta do I gotta just start with the with the music so we can turn the fuck up. I know it's a little bit late.
SPEAKER_16Let's get ourselves canceled real quick.
SPEAKER_04Iceman is no, you know what? It's uh Iceman is whitelisted. I don't know if it's just for the day or the week. I think it's gonna be for the first week. But it's whitelisted on YouTube. So we should, we're not gonna get flag from no Drake shit. From Iceman.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, he does.
SPEAKER_07Iceman, baby, homed.
SPEAKER_06I'll take the lawsuit just so I can see that nigga in court.
SPEAKER_07Freeze the word.
SPEAKER_06How do you please? Iceman.
SPEAKER_04My bad. Why do we do these things? Jesus ain't eating pork either. Shut up, nigga. My bad.
SPEAKER_16This nigga scrolling through his Instagram.
SPEAKER_04That's exactly what I was doing. Listen, man.
SPEAKER_06What should I start with? Today I was playing Mario Kart with Grayson, and that nigga told me, lock in, daddy. He told you lock in. It's my godson, nigga. Nigga said, lock in.
SPEAKER_04He said, lock in, fuck, nigga. Oh man, what is this, episode 29? I believe so. The last one was uh 28. I said I would make this October this October. I said that would make this episode 29. Let me see something, because if I'm not mistaken. Nope. Alright, so what I'm gonna start with. Ladies and gentlemen, man, listen, man, we got a good episode.
SPEAKER_16Shut the fuck up.
SPEAKER_04That's my shit too. I was thinking about that, but I was it's between that, ran to Atlanta, a couple of them bad boys. You know what? National treasure too.
SPEAKER_06I can't wait to release my new single called Road Shut the Fuck Up.
SPEAKER_16Oh, too hard for the radio.
SPEAKER_04Road Shut the Fuck. That shit is hard. I'm gonna start Cripwalking if I play that though. Uh it's so hard. Nigga went so hard on Mustard. Yeah, nah, it's just what you gonna do.
SPEAKER_16Yo.
SPEAKER_04Listen, man.
SPEAKER_16I hate the internet. Nigga was like, yo, Kendrick, like yo, he's coming at no, he's he's attacking mustard. That nigga, like, yeah, he took shots at Kendrick, but I felt like it was very little. Huh? I felt like it was very little. George who? George Kendrick? The Kendrick stuff is not Mustard. Oh nah, nigga. That nigga's nigga said 900 mil, nigga. That's what we've made. That's what I've made for you, nigga. 900 mil?
SPEAKER_04You also called him a magician because a hundred million streams disappeared. He's like, that was a good little line. Listen, man, we gotta get into it, man. Episode 29. We up in the building. I've made my decision. And I'm going back to something that we we heard a lot before I get into the new shit, man. Ladies and gentlemen.
SPEAKER_13I don't give a fuck if you love me.
SPEAKER_14Iceman is available. Plus two more albums. From the goat.
SPEAKER_04The GOAT, the G-O-A-T.
SPEAKER_16Oh no. The GOAT. That's where I bought this boat.
SPEAKER_04The GOAT. What did I miss? Nothing, Jerzy. Everything nothing. Three albums, and you ain't missed a thing.
SPEAKER_14What did I miss? What did I miss?
SPEAKER_04Niggas ain't like that load.
SPEAKER_14Let's go. Let's go. I'm whipping on around like six on that niggas. Let's go. Let's go, let's go. You niggas just better not.
SPEAKER_06Let's go, let's go. If niggas ain't Drake fans, it's not their time right now. Sit they ass down, nigga. If you counted the boy out, sit your ass down, nigga.
SPEAKER_04If you're not a Drake fan, this is not the episode for you. Please skip this one.
SPEAKER_14What's the give back for niggas? It's TVD. I don't give a flip.
SPEAKER_06Sit your ass down, nigga. This is not the episode for you.
SPEAKER_13Let's talk about my right. These niggas was standing beside me. Happin' some people I love. Hang around, pussy to try me. Let's go.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. You know what time we on.
SPEAKER_06Broke niggas be talking about, yo, this shit just ain't for me. Yeah, nigga, we know. We know. We know, nigga. You ain't got it, nigga.
SPEAKER_04You ain't got it. Stay home. You ain't got it. Stay inside where it's safe. Because outside the national treasures is moving. You hear me? Okay. Moving. Okay. Yeah, the beat about to drop. Y'all know what time it is.
SPEAKER_06Niggas with no women be like, yo, he overrated. Yeah, nigga, we know. We know sticking together.
SPEAKER_14Keep swiping right on that app. You'll get a match together like bitches. Eventually. Oh.
SPEAKER_04Oh, he coughing.
SPEAKER_14So much it's a stickin' and thing. It must have hurt wrong on the call. I sent him a stack, cause I wanted you shipped to the king. When you was a part of the thing, we used to be panin' on Mexico trip in the spring. We must have been dealing with spurred a moment. Cobida we think you could get us the rain. The fucker they home. Cody, we threw him away.
SPEAKER_06Niggas we talking about I don't like the way Drake be moving, nigga. How about you move out your mother's house?
SPEAKER_14Take me a walk, but they pissed on the boy till they blew in the face. I put all the faces that flew in the safe. Can't find me the words, you niggas is birds. I wish that I knew what to say.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Stick around at the state. Yeah, we got a lot of surprises on Thursday night, man. And this was one of 'em.
SPEAKER_01You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04FBG OVO, we back up, nigga. Fuck out of here, bro. Y'all thought Future wasn't coming back. He knows what's up. Kendrick only go give him a feature once every ten years.
SPEAKER_01Going down that road.
SPEAKER_04You gotta go where the niggas get, you know what I'm saying? Where it's gonna work.
SPEAKER_06Nigga said Future saw a baby came in the studio and said, nah, I can't do this no more. Nigga said, I need to get back with the boy.
SPEAKER_04You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_14Atlanta, I'll tell you about my running on the side.
SPEAKER_04Yo, shut out Molly Santana. I was not fucking with your verse on this song. But I listened to some of your other shit. It's eyes.
SPEAKER_14So I guess I guess it worked. Yo.
SPEAKER_06I love how nigga Kendrick said you run to Atlanta, nigga. And nigga beat Jack. Kendrick said, you know what? I'ma run to Atlanta, nigga. Straight up. And I'ma name the song. I'm read to Atlanta.
SPEAKER_04He ain't just go to Atlanta. Went to Cali too. Shout out to the Bay. San Francisco. Even though the Giants, y'all gotta stop that celebration. That shit is Mo. That shit is suspect as hell. We do not support cockfighting. Especially not on the baseball field. Shout out Emwin Diaz.
SPEAKER_16Alright. Oh, that nigga's going to jail.
SPEAKER_14Oh, ain't nothing but some shit.
SPEAKER_06Nigga said, good thing is legal where I'm from.
SPEAKER_04Nigga said, niggas hit that nigga with a community note like it's been illegal since 2019. Funny thing about Edwin Diaz, he always looks surprised because he got those eyes like that. You know when they told him, he was like, What? It would have been beautiful.
SPEAKER_16He would have still been on the Mets just to see them get even more distributed.
SPEAKER_04Nah, honestly. And I'm not even a met fan like that, but I'm that would have broken my heart. Cause they going through it. Like that would have just been the one thing they needed, right? Uh uh. Okay. Alright, just one more and we're gonna get started. We gonna start, we're gonna talk about this. We got a lot to talk about.
SPEAKER_14But you gotta tell some of you dumb ass.
SPEAKER_04Hating ass, corny ass, not knowing music in the face ass. Not knowing rap in the face ass. Not knowing the history of hip hop in the face ass, niggas.
SPEAKER_13Shut the fuck up. Janice, got you sick.
SPEAKER_10I'm so pretty. Okay, baby.
SPEAKER_05Baby.
SPEAKER_11Oh.
SPEAKER_04My chick I hate his seats too. It's a minivan though, check it out. You know what I'm saying? Donald Trump, the gas prices is still too high. Feel like I need Drake money just to go to go to Manhattan. It's bad.
SPEAKER_14And I'ma tell you this right now.
SPEAKER_04White House, y'all tweeting shit. Iceman covers with Mag and all that. But fuck all that. Alright? Gas prices is up $7 trillion. And you making tweets about Drake. We watching y'all niggas. We watching y'all. Get that shit in order. Can't even fly to DR right now. Shit crazy.
SPEAKER_11I'm still watching out the deep streets.
SPEAKER_05Baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Ladies and gentlemen. Diddy drink the ball, did he drink going? Did he drape one? We got made a bottom. Now we got Iceman. You feel the blow of the five. We on the Iceman flow. Jenathu is blowing for you niggas. What's up? Stop playing, man. Stop playing. Got the Iceman ones on exclusive. Y'all don't even, y'all don't even know about that shit. Came through, dripped out, ready to go. Listen, man. Listen, listen. We got a lot of shit to get into today, all right? We got a lot of shit to get into and a lot of shit to talk about. And today we are talking our shit about Drake, okay? So as I said in the open, if you are not a Drake fan, this is not the episode for you. Okay. I'm sorry, but I'm not. Okay, Iceman is out. The long-awaited album. We have not gotten a Drake album in two years, which is kind of a long stint to not get some Drake, you know, a Drake project. Um, and the more I thought about it today, I was like, okay, like we were very surprised that we got three albums last night. Um, but when I I was like, I mean, it has been two years, and you know Drake works. Like, you know the level that Drake works, his output is is crazy. So it's like, the more I think about it, I'm like, it's not really that crazy that he dropped three albums. No, sorry. It's not really that crazy that he had three albums ready to go. It's crazy that he gave us all three in one shot, but I feel like gave us all three in one shot sounds a little crazy. I don't know why. I'm sorry. Coming to the stage. Coming to the stage. Listen, um, yeah, but I think that was the crazy part. But the fact that he had the music ready to go is not surprising. Like, it's been two years. He just went through probably the craziest ordeal of his entire life with the beef with Kendrick. Like, you know he had shit to say, and you know he was putting it on wax. Um, so here's where I want to start, actually. Before we get into any of the actual music and the actual albums, I guess part of this is the music, but let's talk about the culmination of the rollout with the Iceman streams. We got episode four on Thursday night, right? At around 9 45 p.m. Uh, Drake is live from his YouTube channel. Uh 90% of the stream was pre-recorded. And then there was like uh, I would say like there was some live look ins, not of Drake, just live shots of the city during the during the time of the stream. So, yeah, we got we get episode four, and yeah, like what's what what do you guys think? I don't know. G you did you catch it?
SPEAKER_16Yeah, I didn't get to see it.
SPEAKER_04Sorry, I know me me and Zay was watching that shit. Um I mean I was I was here watching it, Zay was watching in his crib, but we were texting, which Zay was listening, I was watching. Uh what'd you what'd you think about it? What'd you get from it?
SPEAKER_06I mean, I was I was watching um I was watching it until a certain point, and then I just started just listening. Yeah, because I got up and I was hungry. But um, I mean, so the first couple episodes of Iceman, like the series, I wasn't really too invested because it sounded like he was really just like slow walking it, and I was just like, alright my nigga, like get to the music, get to the vibes, like but I think like episode four, like it really felt like uh like just a culmination of everything, and then just the fact that it it went along with the actual music and not just instrumentals and everything, like it was just like hitting, and it's just I mean, like he does he does a really good job of like giving us the listener or the viewer like an outside look into just like the city of Toronto and shit like that, and just like the vibes of everything. So that shit is is like was like kind of dope. So the episode itself, like as I'm listening to the music, I'm just like ah man, like I'm in I'm like in awe of the music. Yeah, but also like it was interesting, like certain things, like the visuals were amazing, yeah. Like the thing where he was uh um like lighting up the the bot farm and shit. I thought that was interesting because he's also that's also one of the things that he's like rapping about. So I think it was really like uh like it was dope, like it was like full circle. So I would say the the rollout like completely, I think like I think it was uh I think it was a good one. And also, I I also appreciate that he didn't take the bait because a lot of people were just talking about you know what his album was gonna be. A lot of people were talking about like uh you know, were leaking information, like, oh this is what's gonna happen, and blah blah blah. Or people had opinions, good or bad. And he usually fall, I feel like he falls victim into things where you'll see him like liking people's tweets or some shit, or like, you know, like subtly trying to defend himself in like these little ways. But I think he just like he didn't like say much, you know. Like the rollout was the rollout. The information that you got was on Iceman episode, whatever. Like he wasn't doing a whole press run or whatever, like it was only those episodes. So the fact that it culminated with that, and then he just spoke in the music. I thought that it was it was uh just very well executed. Cause it was like there was just so much going on and so much surrounding it. Like he could have came out and said some shit or did some shit, but it just sounds like he like it looked like he just stuck to the plan and knew that this was always what he wanted to do and how he wanted to end it. So I guess like my biggest takeaway was like this shit felt like completely orchestrated, unlike with certain artists or or like other like his peers, where sometimes it feels like like rushed or like you know, two days from the album, like it feels like they still don't know like what they want to do or some shit like that. So I so like I appreciated that because it felt like somebody, maybe if not him, somebody on his team took time to think this shit through and said, Alright, this is the way we're gonna do it. Like, don't give them much, don't say much on the internet, don't be liking people's tweets, like because there was people who was tweeting shit negative, and then there was also people tweeting shit like positive, and then there was people coming out and like leaking information, like this is who's gonna be on Iceman or whatever. Like, yeah, he ain't entertained none of that shit. He was like, Iceman episode four at this time, and that's when y'all gonna get it. So I yeah, I appreciate that that he kind of got low in that in that regard and just let the rollout be the rollout.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, um, so it just come coming coming into the the fourth episode. We we we knew that there was a fourth episode, even after the third episode, like we were told that there was another episode, but we were told it was gonna be a while. So if people don't remember, Iceman episode three actually aired for the first time eight months ago, which is kind of wild, right? Because it doesn't feel like it was that long ago, yeah, but it's it's been almost eight months. Yeah, it came in September. That's wild. It came in September, uh, towards the end of September, right after your birthday, actually. Um, and you know, episode three received a lot of criticism. There was a lot, that was when the whole shit with Kai happened, like, oh, you made me watch this shit, it was whack, like we didn't get nothing, whatever. Yeah, like episode three got a lot of heat, and I think I think that kind of pushed the direction that they went with this last episode, and then also just with the culmination of the rollout in and of itself. I think they decided, like, look, um, this is what's working from this, this is what's not working, let's lean more into what's working, and then let's also add some things. Yeah, right. So when I say add, I'm talking about him shooting. Look, Drake, how many times has Drake has Drake shot music videos? Like a lot. Like there's probably hundreds, right? And we don't get the coverage that we got for these videos. I feel like every time Drake was out shooting a video, like he let it be known like that this is happening. Yeah, and it all felt a part of the rollout. Yeah, and then you saw it in episode four, like there's a part in episode four where you see him in the warehouse and they're putting together the ice sculpture, yeah, right. And then you see them like go and put the ice sculpture like where it was in that plaza, and then it's like then so it's like seeing that come to fruition on episode four after we already saw it in real time when he actually did that and and and the streamers and everybody went out there. Um even that, right? Even the ice sculpture thing, like you know, I thought I thought that was dope. Like, I thought that was dope. Like that that's like a it's like this performance physical art piece, and yeah, even though like it, you know, it came and went, it's ice, it literally melts, but I think that's that's the art of it, that it's like it's something that it's here today and it's gone. And to me, that was such a metaphor for like what music is, right? Yeah, and I feel like the like just because that's my thing. Like, what after and now that we have the music, now that I was able to listen to the album, I feel like I understand so much more what the ice sculpture means. And I could be reaching, I could be whatever, and I probably a million people did deep dives or whatever, but I haven't heard this specific take. Um, that I feel like the ice sculpture is almost a metaphor for like where music is today. And then him calling himself the ice man, like music is where it is today because of artists like me, yeah, right? And I think that sculpture being what it is, like a like literal blocks of ice that are strong. These blocks of ice, like like you can't melt them just like a normal block of ice, not like you put it in a cup and it's gonna melt or whatever. Like, this is a strong, solid block of ice, and when you put them all together, right? When you put all of Drake's music together, right? Yeah, like it's it's a very formidable thing. Yeah, but as formidable as he is, as formidable as his music is, even that is gonna melt. Yeah, right. And that's what that's what the ice did, right? It melts, and it's as if it was never there, it's as if it didn't exist, it didn't happen. But it's that's what it's for, it's for a moment in the Moment, it creates pandemonium, it creates noise, it creates, you know, tension. People, you know, oh my god, this is happening, and then it's gone. Like today, you can go to that plaza and you'll never know that that ice sculpture was there.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it was just a moment in time.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so I like like you had to be there. Exactly. I really liked, I really liked that. And yeah, when I saw episode four, I gotta admit, like, I just I loved, I loved, here's here's what I loved about episode four. Some of the things about the earlier, one of the things about the earlier episodes that I was really critical of was the the dead time. Like if you like when you watched Iceman's episode one, two, and three, there were there were moments that were like elongated silences where we weren't getting music or anything. We were just getting visuals. Yeah, right? There was times where he's just driving in the car and you see him like rapping to a beat or whatever, like he's making music, but you don't know like what's going on, you don't hear anything. Uh we got the national treasure beat, right? Yeah, that I think that was episode two. We get national treasure at the end of episode two, but we don't get the song. Like we just get the beat, the beginning of it, and we're like, oh my god, this beat is crazy, but we never got the music. And then it just kept going. What I loved about episode four is bro, start to finish, nigga, we were getting songs, bro. We got I feel like we got the whole album. Yeah. And then we got the entire it fit it felt like we got the entire Iceman album. Like, maybe not every song, start to finish, but I felt we got a piece of every song. We got the gist, we got the vibe. Yeah, and it was like to literally go through that in real time with everybody who was watching, and everybody, it was just like, and then with Twitter, right? That that just let I'm gonna tell you, episode four felt like such a freaking 2010s moment on Twitter. Because like I was watching, I was watching the stream on my TV, I'm texting Zay, and I was on Twitter at the same time, and it yo, bro, if it might as well have been 2012, like just seeing the vibe on Twitter, everybody, like we were all locked in, like everybody was watching this stream, everybody was live tweeting it, we were reacting to some of the bars, and we were we didn't even get all of them. We didn't get everything. We got some of them, yeah. But he he knew what to put in there, and I think I think there was a calculation made. I don't I don't know that so before episode four, the night before we get episode four, right? Wednesday, Wednesday night, we got the leak of it was leaked as 1 a.m. in Albany. Yeah, but in reality, the name of the song on the album ended up being Make Them Remember. So when I saw when I saw that song come on in the episode, I was like, oh shit. So this might have been the plan all along, like he was gonna have it in the episode, and this was gonna kind of be the big moment of the episode. And I was like, nah, because in the episode, like it cuts off before he he gets into the LeBron shit and the the shots towards Kendrick and stuff like that. It never really gets to that. Yeah, he it cuts off before that. So then it kind of made me think, like, was that was that a real true leak? Like somebody fucked up and they dropped it, or was that the typical Drake secret leak, like quote unquote, it's a leak, but not really. Like, I gave this to somebody and told them to drop it this day at this time. What do you guys think?
SPEAKER_06Well, I mean, the the timing of it makes me feel like it could be an actual just true leak? Yeah, just because like um like the timing of it is actually the time where you know his album would have had to have been like submitted to the label and shit like that. Yeah, and then at that point, now your album is literally like now it's out of your hands, so he could still be a part of leaking something, but also it's like now there's a whole plethora of people that have access to it that could have done that, and there's still obviously there's him and the label are still not in the greatest of places.
SPEAKER_04I mean, literally on the first song of Iceman, he's saying, like, I'm battle, I'll battle the label.
SPEAKER_06I'll bet like Yeah, so it it it could have just happened, and also I don't think so.
SPEAKER_04Whoever but I feel like here the re the one of the big reasons I feel like it could have been him is the time you if you notice it was literally almost to the to the freaking letter, to the number, 24 hours before episode four went live. Like so now that I so I'll give some more back. So now that I'm doing the social media shit like a little more intentionally, I re like I'm I'm I'm learning more about like the times and stuff when people post or whatever, right? So Drake Drake does things at specific times on socials and like whether it's Instagram, YouTube, Twitter, whatever, he does it at specific times to engage his audience. So and he gets that information from you know the data, the algorithm, and you know, his people that do that. So for him, you can tell that his engagement window is like that later hour, like from 9 p.m. through to like midnight, 1, 2 a.m. Like that's when like Drake fans are like most engaged, apparently. So when we would get a lot of the leaks, they would all come at that time, right? All the Iceman episodes came around that time, and the ultimate ice episode, uh episode four, came at 9 45 at that time. When did 1 a.m. and Albany leak the night before around the same time? Like exact to the perfect time, and then knowing like so to me, it's like look, if you're planning out a rollout, I don't know, like when I think about it, I'm like, if it's almost too perfect, like yo, we're gonna leak one of the most controversial songs on the album 24 hours before episode four goes live, episode four will go live, it'll culminate a little bit close to 11, one hour before they're gonna get all three albums. Like to me, that's in it's like the perfect storm of engagement farming. Like he literally had the peak levels of engagement from Wednesday night all the way through Friday. Like, that's there's no better way to release an album. That that's exactly what you want when you release an album is is to spark the engagement right at the moment. Like you want you want to trigger your bass right before you need them to act to get active. So that's what he did.
SPEAKER_06Like he activated that I guess my my only question would be at that point, why why not just release the song or just you know, release like a YouTube video that says uh make them remember because he's in war, he's at war with the label.
SPEAKER_16It's like I I think that's my biggest reason. It's not even so much like when C's puts it into that perspective, it makes a lot of sense and it kind of confirms it. But I think for me, the biggest thing, if he's battling the label, it's like and he's all about fuck the label right now. Yeah, it's like why not release it? It's like you recorded it, you sent it to them, and it's like they're like, okay, this dumbass went and gave us everything. He was like, No, no, no, I'm putting shit out in the street. It's like you're not just like the street needs to hear what the fuck I'm coming with before freaking y'all get your hands on it or y'all not get they already had it, but it's like yeah, this shit is just going out to the world.
SPEAKER_06Like, because that is true though, now that I think about it, because I remember he did that same shit with uh with like the plot twist shit. Yeah, where he was like releasing songs, but everybody thought there was leaks, but he was just like, nah, I'm just releasing it this way because I feel like I didn't even think about it that way, and when you look at when you look at the one that it was, because it's like okay, like LeBron. It wasn't like a single nigga. It was just like nigga, it's one of the bars, nigga.
SPEAKER_04But when also when you look at the reaction, it it was the exact reaction that Drake would want from that leak. And that's the thing, is like, okay, like he could just release it, but like the leak is like the more sexy thing. Like, it's like the leak just makes it sound more scandalous. It's like, oh, yo, this shit leaked. Like, oh, like we're not supposed to, we're not supposed to have this, we're not supposed to be able to hear this yet. Like, so it makes people like again, it's like it's that exclusivity, like it makes people again, it activates the fan base.
SPEAKER_06Like, feel like Drake Drake fans finding out something on Wednesday night.
SPEAKER_04Drake fans finding out, like, yo, there's a leak of a Drake song that apparently is on this album that's coming out this week, and he's kicking LeBron's back in and rapping his fucking ass. So like Drake fans is going over, wait, what? Like everybody's on Twitter, everybody's trying to find the leak or whatever. Like, it had the perfect re and then when we heard it, I think the reaction was exactly what Drake would want. What did everybody say when they heard what quote unquote 1 a.m. in Albany? Everybody was like, I mean, if he I mean, Joe Button, put it like this. Joe Budden had to jump on a space that same night. Joe Budden had to jump on. I mean, Joe Button literally is fresh off, fresh off of dropping his podcast, his Wednesday podcast that same day. And that night, he had to jump on a space, and he's been saying, you know, for months now. He's like, hey, I'm not trying to be in these spaces or whatever, but he had to jump on because there were shots about him on the song. And even he jumped on, he said, Well, I mean, he said, This nigga rapping like this, like, yeah, we might have to go back to the draw. Like, this is what it is, like this is the type of shit he about to drop. Like, this is gonna to me. I'm like, yo, when I heard all that, I'm like, yeah, this is the reaction that you would want if you're Drake. Like, you want people to hear that kind of rapping and think, wait, is he gonna really do this?
SPEAKER_16And the thing is, it's like, because you gave the explanation what uh like the whole Iceman thing, like yeah, like the the meaning behind it. Like for me, when I first heard it, I thought it was more like, oh, uh him being iced out the industry. And then when you had the aspect of like something being leaked, it's not so much uh like the leak, uh just like the ex the exclusivity, exclusivity of it. It's also like when something like you you spoke about pandemonium, and it's like when a leak happens for other like an artist, like any artist that their shit gets leaked, that's what it causes. It's like yo, who the fuck did this is like oh, and it's like automatically all your ops is gonna be like, oh, look what I got. It's like, oh look, dummy. It's like it almost causes this. I like even your ops goes like, look, like you look at look at what they did to you, because nigga, they don't respect you and blah blah blah. And it's like all of this shit, and they all it's doing is bringing hype. It's all it does is bring hype and hype and more like more eyes, more engagement.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So so that's what that's that's my point. It's like when when that happens and it just so happens to be perfectly 24 hours before I was just perfectly 24 hours before your last hurrah of a rollout, which was Iceman episode four, like to me it's perfect because all day Thursday, like I think a lot of people who weren't even gonna watch Iceman episode four were like, nah, I gotta tune in. Why? Because they heard the 1 a.m. in Albany shit and were like, yo, like if like yo, is he really gonna be rapping like this? Because I think that's what it was. When you hear those bars, it's like shit. So, like, and I and I that's what a lot of people said. It was like, yo, if he's rapping like this, if he's rapping like this, we've been saying for a while. We being a specific sector of like Drake fans and and people who like fuck with his music, like Jedi mentioned it. I don't know, was that was that on the episode, or was that before we went live? I think it might have been before we went live. What you were saying about like the last couple albums, or was that before we went live. That was before we went live. Um the G was saying, like, yo, like if you you think about like the last the last few albums, like it just has like, yeah, he raps a little bit or whatever, but it's not like that. It's not that level that, like, yo, like the rap that we're looking for, like the crazy bars, the metaphors, the freaking flows, like just hasn't been there. And then you have a bunch of us that have been asking, like, yo, you've been doing these albums where you're singing and you're doing the dance music and you're doing this and you're doing that, but it's like, yo, just give us that one project of like just you rapping the whole time, like just spitting for an entire freaking album. Like, bro, we have been begging for that album forever. So to hear that, and then it was labeled as a and then that's my thing too. It was it could have been leaked, right? It's a leak, right? Yeah, it's a leak. It could have been leaked with the actual name of the song, but it was leaked as a timestamp record.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it's niggas already got recorded.
SPEAKER_04So niggas already before niggas heard it, when once niggas saw the timestamp, before niggas was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, we got the timestamp leak? Oh nah, we gotta that's why I'm like, yo, this shit is too perfect to not to not come from him.
SPEAKER_16Like to me, it's like, bro, like, I'm sorry. Like does he have a timestamp on that? I haven't gone through all the time. Nope. There's no time stamp.
SPEAKER_04Apparently, there's no timestamp on any of these three projects. I don't know. Uh are we getting into well, yeah, we've been speaking about it. No, we're gonna we get we're gonna get into this, we're gonna get into the actual album like right now. I was getting I wanted to start with the with the with the yeah, with the just so to put a button on the rollout, what would you grade the rollout in its entirety? Right? I'm talking about the streams, right? Episodes one, two, three, four, the singles, what did I miss, which one? And the ice, the performance art with the ice blocks in the plaza uh down there in Toronto. What what would you grade this as a Drake? Like, what do you give the grade out of 10? And then how do you rank it in terms of Drake rollouts?
SPEAKER_06Um Honestly, bro, it's gonna sound like glazing. I give it like a nine. Mine's gonna sound like glaze too. I this should the rollout for me is a ten out of ten. Yeah, I just think he did everything he needed. I I think he did everything he needed to do, and he did a lot of the things that made sense, and still it was a situation where the rollout was a lot, but it was still a situation where when the music actually came, you were still like, oh shit, like he's actually doing this. Yeah, like because even with everything in the rollout, every Iceman episode, when you saw three albums from the best sound, you were still like, what the fuck?
SPEAKER_04Like, that's just that to be honest with you, I can't remember, I can't remember a moment like that before an album in my history of music. Like, I don't remember a moment like that. Like, you missed it because you because you weren't you were listening at that point, yeah. And he doesn't say it on episode four. It's towards the end of the episode, he's put he pulls out the hard drive, like he's like, I was able to do it, whatever, and I made this, and then he pulls, he has the red hard drive there, and he says, and this, and then he pulls out two more hard drives, the two more names appear, and then it hit all three albums will be tonight available tonight from the best sound. And I was like, What? And I that's what I thought. I was like, yo, he's dropping three albums tonight. This shit's crazy. That moment right there was like, what the fuck, bro? Like, this nigga is now all of a sudden, all that shit that Maul was talking, all of it now. It made sense to me. Because before, and I love Maul. Like, Maul, I fuck with Maul. Obviously, from Joe Budden, and even now with him and Rory, like I love their shit. I fuck with Maul. But again, Maul is a Drake venger. Like, obviously, like he's that's his nigga. Like, he's gonna go hard for him, like he's gonna rep for him, he's gonna support. So, you know, Maul sitting on the podcast all these months saying, like, yo, listen, man, what he about to do is some shit that's never been done, it's never been seen. Like, the the level of rap is the greatest, this is the best level of rapping that I've ever heard, or whatever. I was just like, all right, like you know what I mean. I'm like, to me, it's like you putting sauce on it, you know what I'm saying? Like you, you whatever, like, but I expect you to do that, right? Because that's your man. As soon as I saw that shit on my screen, and this is I got a big fucking TV. So all nigga, the nigga, all three albums was like spaced perfect, nigga. I said, What, nigga? This is what he means. Like, this nigga is dropping three full-length projects in one fucking rollout on the same night. Um I immediately I was like, yo, something is crashing tonight. I didn't know both of them shits was gonna crash, but I was like, something is crashing tonight. Because that's just too much. It's too much. So yeah, that's that that shit did that. So um, oh gee, what do you what do you what do you rate this rollout?
SPEAKER_16Man, I'll give that shit a three. No, I'm joking. Uh I think that I didn't see uh episode four, but from what you said, and then you had everything else that he's done. That shit is an amazing rollout. And he catered to to to the YN. It's like, yeah, because now everything freaking looks like he was rage baiting the whole fucking time. Because my biggest criticism about all them Iceman episodes, like, yo, what the fuck am I doing watching this dumb shit? Yeah, it's like, and then of course that the they spoke about like there's interviews and fucking people speaking about the fact that you know, in some of them, uh, you know, the the the the signal was lost and all this other shit, but it's like it all like episode four from what you guys have said, it's like the the the answer to everything. It's like and that, and then you had the whole like the ice blocks thing, the leaks, uh just facts. I didn't I didn't mention the leak, the leaks are a part of the rollout, so that's 10 out of 10. It's like everything, it's yeah, I give it a 10 also. Like that to me is because the thing is, is that like you could have made your assumptions, you could have said whatever, you could have thought whatever. The thing was that in the end, and I feel like that's one of the beauties of being an artist, is that you don't get the full picture until you have the full picture.
SPEAKER_03Exactly.
SPEAKER_16It's like so you're looking at it and it doesn't make any sense to you until puzzle pieces, yeah. It's just so then once it's all together, you're like, damn. Yeah, and I think it it's it's a masterpiece. It's like I think that that's a rollout? Yeah, that that was a that was a masterpiece.
SPEAKER_04And to be able to to I'd be remiss if I didn't mention this, but to be able to do this while you're at odds with your label, because again, artists do rollouts every album, you know, especially big artists, pop stars, and shit. There's always money put into the rollouts and you know, just you know, marketing and branding and you know, promotion, obviously, like this is a big deal, it's a part of it. To be able to have this level of success with a rollout, yeah, while you are actively engaged in a war with your label, and your label just so happens to be the most powerful label in all of music. Just my nigga. Like I have to. I fucking have because that's crazy. Like, and and when I say rank it out for me, out of all of Drake's rollouts, and he's had some decent ones, this is by far the best one. And what's wild to me is that I would, I didn't, I would never have thought that I would be saying that because when I saw the first Iceman episode, I was like, okay, like I get it. Like he's gonna, you know, cater with the streaming thing, like like G was saying to the YNs. I was like, I understand it, I don't love it. I was like, I don't, I don't understand really what we're doing. Like you're you're okay, like you're gonna do these streams. I mean, it looks like you're spending a lot of money on these like set pieces and the cinematography and everything. But I'm like, I don't know, it seems a little whatever. To it started like that for the way that it to for it to end with me feeling the way that I felt on Thursday night at 11 p.m. Where I was telling myself, like, yo, I'm gonna watch this episode, I'm gonna go to sleep, I'm gonna catch the album in the morning because I'm tired as fuck and I'm old. Okay, like I can't do this shit. I was so fucking wired at 11.15 when that shit went off. I was like, nigga, I am not going, I am waiting for all three of these fucking albums, and I am immediately going to the one that sounds like Cito shit. Like, I can't, and I'm gonna listen to that one, and then I'll probably try to go to sleep. Because I was like, I couldn't. The last thing I want to say about the rollout, I said, I gave Drake, look, I criticized Drake a couple episodes ago, because we were talking, we had the whole thing where I was like, yo, like you fucking people in hip-hop, you know, you giving, you know, giving media your ass to kiss. And I get it, you know, a lot of these people talk shit about you, but there's the ones that support you, and you don't even fucking rep for them. Like, yo, I was I brought up act. I was like, you don't even sit down with Ack, and Ax's the fucking number one dude has been fucking it talks about you every freaking stream, freaking breaks down every freaking song, every freaking bar, capes for you, like always rides hard for OVO, for Drake, for Toronto, for all of y'all, and like you don't even give that dude an interview, you don't nothing, bro. For Iceman Episode 4 to start and the in within the first couple seconds, you it cuts to fucking academics, and you hear academics' voice. Like, I for me, for me, nigga, I was happy. I was happy as hell. And nigga, I don't get nothing out of that. Like, nigga, I don't know act personally, I don't know, whatever, bro. And to be honest with you, I'm not even the biggest fan of like act streams or whatever. Like, I I've saw people like on Instagram, it was like, oh, you when you defend an act. I'm like, nigga, no, it's not even that. It's just I see how hard he goes for Drake. So for him to finally, finally with a capital F, finally The Rock has come back, get his fucking moment, bro. Finally get his fucking Drake moment on that stream, and he appears at the beginning, and then he appears at the end. And then for the photos to come out of him at dinner with Drake and them, and Drake gave him the fucking OVO chain. Like, I was like, bro, like my heart was full. Like, honestly, that for me, niggas gonna be like, yo, that's not hip hop. What the fuck are you talking about? You're heart warm. Nigga, my I that was a heartwarming moment for me. My I felt big act, nigga. Yeah, nah, bro. I was so I'm telling you, bro.
SPEAKER_16Drake, Drake don't like niggas who be fucking apologizing and taking shit back.
SPEAKER_04Bro, I felt so good when I saw when I saw academics, when I Saw act when I saw academics there, bro, and then the Ben and Zay sent me the picture. Like him and Dre took a picture, like at the dinner after they had shot that shit, because all this shit was pre-recorded. I was like, oh man, bro, like yo, good for act, bro. I was like, I was just so like good for fucking act, bro. Good for him, good for him. Like to me, that that moment right there, that validates all these years of everything that academics has done in support of Drake and trying to support his career and promote his career and support him as his favorite artist, but as one of the best artists, and arguably, you know, in the conversation now for what the greatest artists him doing that all these years, like is culminated with this. Like, I'm like, bro, like, yeah, like to me, like that validates it. Now, like, niggas can't really, you can say whatever you want, like say what you want to Aiden, say what you want to Ben the Don, say what you want to whoever you want. But I'm like, to act, I'm like, I don't think you can really say nothing to him. Like, bro, this dude went, put him on the episode and gave him, like, he has an OVO chain. He's officially OVO. Like, good for him. Good for fucking him. Good for him.
SPEAKER_06I wonder if Maul got one.
SPEAKER_04Because he was he was there. No, no, and I'm happy for Maul too. Maul wasn't Maul wasn't in the episode, but Maul was at the was at the the release party in Toronto with Drake last night uh last night. Um yeah, you guys don't really, because normally we record over the week. We're recording this on a Friday night because we got busy, we got a busy weekend this weekend. So we wanted to make sure we got the Iceman episode out to you guys. Shouts out to Momo. Uh Momo has a very busy weekend himself, so that's why he's not with us today. But Momo will be back soon. We spoke with him, um, and he's doing his best to get back soon here. So, but yeah, like Maul was there. He was at the release party last night, and then he posted a video when the fireworks started going off. So people online are killing him for it because he let out like a weird laugh, bro.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, it was a little niggas was like, I hear you laugh like that. I mean, in your life. I think I I just you know what it is, is that Maul's such a like that's the laugh you make when the CFO walk in and make a joke.
SPEAKER_04Oh Dave. Maul is such a two too cool for school type of nigga. Yeah, to just see him. When you see, but I think you know what it is is that you know what it is for Maul is that again, like for Drake fans, like to that level of Maul academics and shit, they also have had a rough fucking two years. Like, yeah, when your guy, the guy that you ride for, the guy that you fan for, the guy that you cape for, takes an L like Drake took two years ago, yeah, it's subsequently, it's you know, the subsequent years are gonna be very difficult. And it hasn't been easy. Mall's been called everything from a dick rider to a coon to a fanboy to a bitch, to he's been called everything under the sun, and act as well. He's been called all these things, yeah.
SPEAKER_06And for the most part, it's like a it's like a thankless job because it just seems like niggas like Ack is just defending Drake, and it's just like everybody's like, ah, what that nigga got you on his payroll? Because it just seems like to the outside world, it's like y'all go so hard for this nigga, and this nigga don't do nothing for y'all.
SPEAKER_04Like, he's and what's crazy is that you know he doesn't have them on the payroll, yeah. So everybody knows that he's not paying these niggas, yeah. And that's one of the things that they get shit for. People like, yo, you going that hard, this nigga don't even pay y'all. Like, so I guess with from all, like him letting off that weird laugh to me was just like the emotion of like him being that excited, like, yo, like we finally got to this moment, bro. Like, I know you've been working on this music, I heard this music. I've been saying, I've been telling people that this is some of the best freaking Drake music they're ever gonna get, that they've ever gotten. And like, yo, we're finally here, like it's coming out. Like, as those fireworks are going off, it was like 30 minutes before the albums would come out. And like everybody knew the three albums were coming out at that time. So I think that's what it was. It was just excitement. But without further ado, we are gonna get into the actual music, so we're gonna pivot to getting into the actual music unless y'all got something y'all want to talk about before we get into some of these bars.
SPEAKER_16Apparently, I don't know if it's true, but all three albums are supposed to spell out him. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04I don't know if that was a reach, but Habibti starts with an H. Yeah. Iceman starts with an I, Maidavana starts with an M.
SPEAKER_06I just yo, I just want to say this because I've I've been seeing this and I was gonna post a video about it, but I was like, you know, just wait for the pod. Like, some of you niggas was giving these full-length reviews at like 10 in the morning. And I just wanna say, y'all are not fooling nobody. Yeah. This was three albums. This was about three and a half hours worth of music. Y'all not convincing me that y'all listen to three albums by nine or ten in the motherfucking morning, bro. Like, even if you just gotta stop it and get the fuck out of here with your full length review at that time. Cause I'm I'm as big a Drake fan as they come. And even I did not get through the three albums by that point. And I believe so I believe some people did. But the way niggas, and and it's not even about like positive or negative, it's just like, bro, like, with that amount of music, bro, like, I'm not even trying to hear from anybody reviewing the album until the sun has reached its highest point. Like, at least give me fucking afternoon, like, alright, bro. I listen to all three albums. But bro, I seen niggas at 9 a.m. Oh, yo, this shit was men. I'm like, bro, you been listening since 6 a.m.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, like, like, no. Like, bro, like that shit, bro. And that's the thing, is like niggas skim. Yeah, like niggas was a lot of people. You just want to be the first to skip. And that's what it is, is that people don't care about being right, they care about being first. And in the social media game, if you're in it, if you're in that market of like album reviews and hip hop reviews or whatever, being first matters. Or being early, being early is important.
SPEAKER_16Well, they'd be listening to shit, what is it, and two times speed?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, they speed, they speed the songs up, which to me ruins Yeah, I don't know how you can. It ruins the entire like you could do that with a podcast. You can't do that with music. You can't because you're not listening to it as the music was intended. I did a reel this morning um about Maid of Honor because I was like, uh, you know, in one of the group chats that we in, one of this dude was like, yo, Maid of Honor. He's like, No, you can skip that one. He said, That one's mid. That one's at. I'm like, I'm like, it's it's not. I just think I'm like, I'm like, I don't, and again, maybe you can't, and again, people can you can feel that way. I just feel like at 9 a.m. Now you can when the album came out at midnight that way. At 9 a.m. No, because like I feel like you get in a couple weeks, in a couple weeks, I'm saying like at that point in time.
SPEAKER_06If you got the same opinion at a couple of weeks, like any nigga who was at that point in time, any nigga who was saying, nah, Drake went crazy, this album is fire. I'm not respecting that either.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, same thing. Hell yeah.
SPEAKER_06Because you just haven't had the time to listen and to to digest, to go back to it. Like, everybody has their process and how they review albums or whatever. Like, it's it's just at a certain point when and also when you have that amount, like that amount of time, even if you didn't put it in like super like fast speed, bro. There's no way with those three different bodies of work, you could sit there and just listen to all the music straight through, no break, like even then, it wasn't meant to be experienced like that, nigga. Like, go do something, get in the car, listen to it on your way, bro. If you're just sitting at your computer, just listening, song one, song two, song three, song four, song five, song eleven, next album, song one, song two, like, bro, like, go do something. Like, my shit is like, I don't want to hear your review if that's what you're doing. Cause that just sounds like to me, like you were just mad thirsty to listen to music and to say something about it. You know, like you got nothing else going. Like, if you had nothing else better to do than to listen to three and a half hours worth of music in a fucking in like in a vacuum and come and tell niggas. By yourself. And then and then and then like the shit niggas say is just like so fucking definitive. Like, my shit is like if if you listen to a first listen, like I ain't gonna lie, first listen of um of that of that same one, uh, of Maid of Honor, like my first listen, I I was ready to tell niggas like, eh, I mean, I don't know about this one, but I'm gonna give it a chance. Like, yeah, but to say something definitive like fire, trash, mid, like, off of like the first listen where you probably only listen to a few songs, it's just like in general, like good or bad, like people gotta stop that shit, bro. Like, why are you like why are you so thirsty to jump to a conclusion? Like, why do people feel validated by that?
SPEAKER_04Is that that's the again is this is the game that's gonna be a good thing.
SPEAKER_06And then they just end up looking stupid in the future, but this is the game that people are in.
SPEAKER_04They just again, when you're when you're you know, that's your market and you're working towards the engagement, the likes, and the reposts and all that stuff, or whatever, being first matters, and having a salacious take matters, so that's what they do. But here's my thing is like to have an album review up for any of these albums at 10 a.m., 11 a.m., even noon today is crazy. The only one that I would respect is like if something came out this afternoon reviewing Iceman, I can respect it because it's like, okay, that was the main album. Yeah, that was the one that people were waiting for, and that was the album that was heavy rap. So and rap and you heard most of it on the stream. Exactly. That you heard it on the stream, you heard what did I miss? Oh probably over a year ago at this point. I don't remember exactly when it came out, but it's been a freaking while. Like, so that one, it's like, okay, and rap, you can wake up in the morning and throw on Iceman and start getting into that album. You can do that. The reason I made the video about Maid of Honor, because I'm like, yo, I'm seeing niggas talk about yo, this shit mid, this shit ain't it, whatever. I'm like, the right setting for this album hasn't even happened yet. So I don't want to hear a review for that album until niggas is in the right setting for it. That's why I said what I said, and yeah, I was making jokes like, yo, is this album was made for tequila and bad decisions or whatever, like, but in all honesty, like you need to put the album like for real, like that album needs to be heard. That particular one, that's an outside album. That's not you can't listen to that in your room by yourself and get the effect that you're not going to. And you're a dude, like, no, I'm sorry. Like, you need to be around women, there needs to be alcohol, there needs to be a vibe. Like, that's how that album, that's what that album is for. If you're just listening to it alone in your room, it's going to sound mid. So if that's your take of it, respect. But I'll tell you, when I when I first heard it, I was like, okay, I see where he's going. I heard it this morning with my wife, and she was vibing. So I was like, okay, you see, and then I'm like, I'm seeing the vision. I'm like, this is what this is what this one's for. That's the same exactly. And then even later today, like she came, she came over because uh she went out today. So she came, they came back after they came over here after they went out, and it was her and a few of her girls or whatever, and she was like, Oh, play music or whatever. So I was like, perfect time. So what I did, I played some other shit, and then I slid fucking maid of honor on in the mix of the shit I was already playing, and I just was watching them, and I was like, Yeah, this is it, this is exactly what I thought. Like, this is what this album is for. Like that the exact effect that I thought it would have is what it had when it was played around women and drinks and whatever. Like, that's the effect of that album. So I get it. But let's get into some of these shit. You want to start which one y'all want to start with? Y'all want to start with Iceman or y'all wanna start with Habititty or one of the other ones?
SPEAKER_06Let me know where we going. Um, the R B one. I didn't listen to it like all the way through just because I don't really be checking for the RB like that. I'm not gonna lie. But like I always go back to it like when I'm in that mode to listen to RB.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06So I really can't speak like in depth. We could just do Iceman, but I definitely listen to the Maid of Honor in full and Iceman for sure.
SPEAKER_04Okay. Alright, so here's what we're gonna do. I mean, we've been talking a lot about it. Let's just jump right into this shit. Make them cry. The intro to Iceman. This shit is fire.
SPEAKER_14Ice.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. Yeah. Love the album cover, by the way. The Michael Jackson glove, throwing up the six. Love it.
SPEAKER_14I'm an only child, no one could have made another. I have to father my mother and treat my son's grandfather like my older brother. The skies are grand Toronto, they not a golden color.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, I'm just scared in like two weeks, them niggas is just gonna come and be like, get this shit the fuck up. I know for sure that my biggest thing is. And all the audio is just gonna go dead during this time. It's possible. I see my own. So now he snapped on this though.
SPEAKER_16I'm just switching that he threw up the six. Yeah, with the Michael Jackson glad. I thought nigga did the gotcha. You fucking threw it.
SPEAKER_04There's a beat switch on this. I just switched to it.
SPEAKER_14Yeah, you're spitting on this. I keep on rescuing leeches. I can't believe it. I really can't believe it. I can't believe it. Too many wide transfers bound for the good girls.
SPEAKER_04As far as intros go, especially Drake intros, I'll be honest. Like, this one's a little more tame, a little more laid back. He is spitting, he's rapping his ass off. But the vibe is a little more tame, a little more laid back. I thought it would be not I thought it would be. Maybe I maybe I wanted it to be like, yo, this is the intro to Iceman. Like, I want some aggressive fucking like I want some 5 a.m. in Toronto shit, some old Tommy Campos, Dice Raw shit. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, some like aggressive shit. So this one actually kind of caught me off guard. I was like, okay, like we easily, but he was rapping. He was rapping. So this this is this is a good intro. This is definitely a good one. Dust is the next song. And he's still rapping. We're gonna skip this. I say he's rapping, of course. I skipped to the part where he's singing.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_14Go blow the dicks on your places. Go blow the dicks on your plaques. What was the year that they pay ass laps? Cause I don't remember it going like that. I don't remember one word in your rats. I don't know nothing about you and them chances. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Yeah.
SPEAKER_14I am, I am, I am.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. When it when when the B switches on that one, that one, that one does what it needs to do. The next one is whisper my name. This is my shit. This this this goes nuts. Just cause he's talking shit.
SPEAKER_06I was actually listening to that shit on the way here.
SPEAKER_04So maybe just me or whatever. Sequencing is a big thing. It's early. We were I'm not gonna, we were just criticizing people who do shit too early. But on for on early listens, yeah, I would have rather this been the first song. Like swap this.
SPEAKER_14Make them cry.
SPEAKER_04So go. I like whispered my name, Dust Make Them Cry.
SPEAKER_06I like make them cry in the beginning. Cause like you said, it is very tame. Once you hear the album and see like where he takes it, it makes sense. I feel like in the context, he's just like, I'm going like this because I'm gonna go like because I got national treasure in the tuck, nigga. Like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So I'm kind of cool with that. Cause imagine he starts off with some crazier shit and then it's just like it cools down.
SPEAKER_16But I feel like also the what is it, make them cry. I feel like it also sets the tone of where the fuck he's going. Because he's addressing a couple shits on that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, he's he he he makes some statements.
SPEAKER_06And also that's one of the that's one of the songs with that title of like make them something. And I think in like the grand scheme of the city, that's the thing, that's the theme of the album.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, so I think like starting it there make them cry, make them pay, make them remember, make them know.
SPEAKER_06So I think all those songs are positioned where they are for a reason. Because isn't it the last song is make them something, no? Make them know is the last song.
SPEAKER_04But to me, like the they those are the acts. So act one is make them cry, right? Act two, make them pay. Right? And you could tell, but actually, we'll go, we'll go, we'll go through it. So we're still in act one. Act one, make them cry. Then it goes to dust, then it goes to whisper my name, and then it goes to this absolute banger that I played in the intro. This is in the conversation, one of my favorite songs that we got out of all three albums last night. This Janice shut the fuck up, too. This is my shit.
SPEAKER_16That's why I mentioned that shit earlier. This is my shit, nigga.
SPEAKER_05Sometimes you just gotta tell him shut the fuck up.
SPEAKER_16That beat switch that he just does, bro. I swear to God, that's where he's the go to.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, he did go beat switch crazy. He went yeah, he went beat on this one anime.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, he was he was go again. In all honesty, it feels like we got four albums.
SPEAKER_14How many new names do you got on your whip? Yeah, how many more times does y'all gonna be too much in a week. Must be 250 at least. Like the money just go up a tree. Like the money just goes up.
SPEAKER_04So Janet, Janet, shut the fuck up is a freaking banger. This is this is Drake at his best. This is 10 out of 10, Drake. This is like Yeah, I'm gonna be real with you. He he didn't have a song like this on For All the Dogs.
SPEAKER_16Honestly, never mind.
SPEAKER_04As much as I like her loss, he didn't have a song like this on her loss. I don't know. Like the last time I felt like this about a Drake song was like nothing was the same. Like it's been that long. Like, I'm like, yeah, this is one of them. This is one of them ones. Like, and he's doing his shit. He's sing rapping, he's rap-rapping, the beat is beating, like everything is everything is doing what it needs to. And then we got the first surprise, kind of, but a lot of us kind of expected it.
SPEAKER_01You know what I'm saying?
SPEAKER_04Ran back to Atlanta and did what he does when he gets to Atlanta, you know what I mean? And there's a B switch on this one too.
SPEAKER_09Let me get to that point.
SPEAKER_04See, this is when Future got a hit back.
SPEAKER_09But right here, right out of the pressure she played with the biggest.
SPEAKER_00I just fucked their feelings up on some pride shit.
SPEAKER_04Again, like I said before, shout out Molly Santana. Didn't love your verse here, but I do like some of your other shit. So I'm glad to have met this new artist from this song. Then we get into Che Bang.
SPEAKER_16Oh, I love this too. Yo.
SPEAKER_14Ice Yo. Manich on the beach, Che Bang.
SPEAKER_03Uh.
SPEAKER_14All of my op stay dead.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_14Why do they gas me up?
SPEAKER_03Hey.
SPEAKER_14Where does it go? My head.
SPEAKER_03My head.
SPEAKER_14How much I got? A lot.
SPEAKER_03A lot.
SPEAKER_14Don't even get I won't.
SPEAKER_03Okay.
SPEAKER_14Do like Rice and Pussy ass nigga. Don't.
SPEAKER_03Don't.
SPEAKER_14Can I forgive? I can't. What do I need? Some hair.
SPEAKER_16He skated. He skated. I I like it. I feel like he was talking his shit. Yeah. He was just flexing. Flexing. It floated on this nice little beat.
SPEAKER_04Like, and we we were saying this last night. The production. Good sample. Yeah. The production, man. I texted Zay. I was like, yo, whatever he pays his producers, it's not enough. Like, they, his producers, man, the OVO sweatshop, y'all niggas was going crazy.
SPEAKER_16No Kendrick Grufference on this podcast.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, nah, I'm sorry. It's not enough. Not enough. The next one brings us into act two of the album, which is the Make Them Pay act, right? This is let's hear it, but I would say, even though I think one of my favorite songs, Janice, is in the first act, act two is kind of like my favorite act of the album, The Make Them Pay. You know J. Cole wanted to be on this song so bad. Tell me you don't. Tell me, tell me you don't. Yo, bro, this tell me this ain't the J. Cole song right here, bro.
SPEAKER_16Fan. Any hope of a J. Cole and Drake, nigga. That's it's no more big three. Nigga, there's too much, too many cooks in the kitchen. Too many cooks in the kitchen.
SPEAKER_14Albany Marina, they deserve this 100%.
SPEAKER_04And he says that on this one. This is the one he says it on. So yeah. Make them pay brings us to the into the second act of the album. This is where shit gets rugged. Right? The next song is Burning Bridges and Brother.
SPEAKER_16This one caught me off guard when I put it.
SPEAKER_04But then it gets better.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_04This is where he like, he like. Where's she at? Like gives he hits niggas with the oakie dope. Like you think he's going one way and then just hard right turn.
SPEAKER_16Like it's funny because this and I think I know for sure I didn't listen to Maid of Honor, not yet, because I haven't even gotten through Habititty. But I like it just give there's a lot of this shit that also gives me a lot of Kanye vibes. Like with the the the beats and the the the in the way he starts off songs. It's just that yeah, I don't know. It's fire though. Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Once you hear this, the lows come in. Yeah.
SPEAKER_12They love me too much here. I cannot relocate. I just can't move away. I can't leave my brothers in the trenches, gotta lead the way. I cannot relocate.
SPEAKER_14Damn, where she at? Yeah, where she at? Yo, baby mom ain't even posted single.
SPEAKER_04Damn, where she at? Look at So that's what that one switches into that burning bridges, and then we get just a fucking masterpiece. Just a fucking masterpiece.
SPEAKER_14For the city though.
SPEAKER_04This a fucking masterpiece. I'm the new DJ Khaled. I like what Drake likes. Nigga, this shit is hard, nigga.
SPEAKER_06This shit is hard, man. What's your top five? Drake.
SPEAKER_14My top five Drake, Drake, Drake, Drake. Jay-Z. If you thought I wasn't brokey, that's probably why y'all be checking it up.
SPEAKER_04The cough was so unnecessary. Unnecessary but necessary at the same time, man. The charges like COVID, they catch it together.
SPEAKER_14There we get B's on the table.
SPEAKER_16B's on the table. 21? You don't like 21? His voice, bro. 21, 21, 21.
SPEAKER_06I like the I like the, I think it's like the second half of this song. Like I like the Drake's second version of the side.
SPEAKER_14What is the offer they say? I gotta this one. Like, I'm gonna I'm kinda this one. What does that say on that page?
SPEAKER_04You about to say what I you about to say what I think about this song.
SPEAKER_06No, yeah, like I'm I'm I'm good on Drake and 21. Yeah, like it's just I don't know.
SPEAKER_04I'm Drake and 21 doubt. I I yeah.
SPEAKER_06Like you see how refreshing Drake and Future was because we haven't like heard that in a little while. Like with Drake and 21, we we need that. Like we need give us like a year or two. I just think we got enough.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, like to be honest with you, I I think we got enough of the Drake in 21 shit. Like to be honest, to be real. Like, I just I think they like I think they have like fully, you know, saw through what they can do musically.
SPEAKER_06I think one of the reasoning, like, was like to me, is I think he's just on some like throughout this whole shit, this whole battle, all the turmoil, like 21 is one of the few niggas that really like stayed solid. Yeah, like was checking on me.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, like and he's the reason that that him and future pieced it up.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, like he did interviews, niggas was asking him about the shit. Like, he could have had the opportunity to do some little yachty shit, or be like, oh no, you know, these two my brothers, like nah, like 21 stays solid. So I think he's just like, nah, bro, like you're gonna be a part of this, just because, like, yeah, yeah, like so I if that if that's what it is, like I get it, but like personally, like I did I do not need another 21 feature for a while. Yeah, and as good as it sounds, like I don't think it sounds bad, but it's just like this again, like I have that that's the vibe I get. B B's on the table a little bit is on the it's on the lower tier for me. Because I'm also like G in that sense. Like, I don't 21 don't don't really do it for me.
SPEAKER_04Like I like like a few of his songs, but not I like I like his shit, like his solo shit, uh, but his collabs don't always do it for me. Um, a lot of times I find myself skipping through his verse on the collab. Yeah, um, the next one we got, what did I miss? Which we know very well.
SPEAKER_14I don't give a fuck if you love me. I don't give a fuck if you lie.
SPEAKER_04This song never fell out of my rotation. And just hearing it, you know, with Iceman and everything, just to me, yeah, it makes sense.
SPEAKER_06This was the perfect song to be like the first release. Yes. It really just prefaced the whole theme of the album. Exactly perfectly. Like, all these niggas switched up on me, like, and then he literally goes on in the album to explain, like, oh shit, this is what I miss. Like, all these niggas fucking hating me, blah blah blah.
SPEAKER_16And I think that's the best part about this album. I had sex to see and I was like, the one thing about this album that I don't that I was hoping he didn't do was address all the beef and all the bullshit that's been going on. I feel like, yo, it's too late. That's it, like, yo, move on. Just give us some bars and that's it, and shut the fuck up. But I think it's the fact that he's giving an explanation to a lot of this shit. It's like I forgot what song it was. That nigga goes, fuck. I like I said, I only listened to that shit one and a half time, but I haven't gotten through the second time. But it's like there's one song where he's just going in, and uh, you had mentioned that thing just now. Like, he he's talking about so much fucking like yo, like this was going on. Like, I didn't realize that this also was going on behind my back. It's like he's just going and it's like I feel like that's what for me saved my criticism from saying that this shit is trash. Not trash, because it's not trash, but I was like for me saying, like, yo, again, you you sound like a fucking sore loser. What helped me not do that was him kind of like, yo, it's not just a Kendrick thing. It's like he's gonna get his two-piece. It was never just a Kendrick thing, but it's like it's everybody here. It's like every, like, yo, all y'all niggas switched up, and everybody's getting a two-piece McChicken.
SPEAKER_06And I hate, I hate that narrative that people are like coming out with. Like everybody's like, like, people like, oh, you know, he uh he making himself the victim or whatever, and all that shit tells me is that people don't actually listen to the fucking music and listen to what he's actually saying. And it disappoints me because so many people speak about rap, and you could really like by what they say, you could tell that they listen to the music, but they don't understand it, they don't have an interpretation of it. Because if you think that right now in this album, he is still rapping about, oh, I'm sad because Kendrick called me a pedophile, and that's not true. Like, if you still, if that's still your fucking takeaway, you're not fucking listening and you're not understanding. Like, pack it the fuck up.
SPEAKER_16Oh, because this this is the point that I wanted to make. There's a song where he talks about, it's like, oh, was I upset yet? And he like he admits he's upset, it's like and he's just going through yo all in more. Yo, that shit to me, y'all heard that shit. I was like, yo, that's some real nigga shit. Yeah, it's like like for me, like I would that I wasn't expecting all of that. It's like that, I feel like that whoop is what makes this shit so fucking fire. And it's and he did it. That's what I think I told you. I was like, yo, he did the shit that I didn't want him to do, but he did it so masterfully. He did it so fucking eloquently. That it was good, yeah. It was like, yo, you can't even say shit. You can't knock it out.
SPEAKER_06Because he explained like every side of like how he's feeling. And then, like, to build off your point, there's also a point where he says some shit like, bro, like, a lot of niggas, like, I don't remember exactly what he says, but the point is it's like a lot of niggas have friends that they never go through a real moment where they have to like exactly where they realize, are these niggas really my man? Exactly. Like, y'all niggas, like, I call y'all niggas my brothers, but have we ever been in a situation where it's just like you've gotta be a brother me and somebody else? He's saying a lot of he was saying like yo, a lot of friend groups, they never even go through that shit. And I feel like that shit just solidifies like that stance. Like, nigga, like, I'm going through that shit. It's not just like, it's not just fucking Kendrick, nigga.
SPEAKER_16That's a real thing. Because it's like, even if you think about it, because uh at first I was very critical. It's like, yo, you've been away for two years, nigga, and all you gave me was Gordo and you, nigga. So fuck you, nigga. It's like, but then G is so sick of Gordo.
SPEAKER_04Nah, and I G don't like G don't like Gordo, because Gordo is the reason we got honestly never mind.
SPEAKER_16But the thing is, it's like when you think about it and Gordo's annoying too. But when you when you think about uh damn, I lost it.
SPEAKER_06No, like when he's talking about like his like friend group switching up and shit like that.
SPEAKER_16It's like one of the big things I've been very critical of him. It's like, yo, it's been two years and you haven't said shit. You keep dropping these fucking weird cryptid uh cryptic uh fucking uh Iceman episodes. I don't know what the fuck is going on, I'm confused and shit. But then it's like when you when you listen to the album and you're like, you almost forget that that nigga be he's been such he's been so on top of the game, and we always look at artists as just these machines. And it was like he broke it down, that's why I said so fucking beautifully of like nigga, I'm a human. It's like yo, that's why like that's why I said that I like the first song. Cause one of the the way he starts it off, it was like I'm my what was it? I'm my father's, I'm my mother's father, and or some shit like that. I don't know.
SPEAKER_06So yeah, I'm like my mother's father and my father's brother. Older brother.
SPEAKER_04And I gotta treat my father and I gotta treat my father like my older, like my older brother. But he didn't say father, he said my He said, he said my son's grandfather like my older brother.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, it's like yo, nigga, it's like when you like even just that little bit and him talking about that, then he talks about oh his dad uh beating cancer and all his like yo, bro, that nigga went, it wasn't just the beef.
SPEAKER_04It's a it's a he said it. He's like, my father, when he mentioned the cancer, he's like, we fight in stages. He also mentioned, nigga, I'm about to turn 40, I'm fighting aging. Like I was like, like he like all of the shit that niggas knocking for, like, oh, he don't do this, he don't do that, all of that shit is in that one song. Yeah, and it's the first song out, which y'all kind of brought me over to y'all's side. I think that that does make sense to him being the first song.
SPEAKER_16Yo, when you think about it, it's like, bro, fuck the whole Kendrick. It's like, yo, and fuck the whole UMG. It's like, yo, the whole world switched up on you. And I put myself in that man's shoes, and it's like, that's like, nigga, if just one of y'all niggas switch up on me, nigga, that shit'll fuck me up like bad. And it is and it's just like, yo, we've been through a lot, nigga. Like we've been, it's like, yo, and off of one fucking situation, nigga, all y'all, and it wasn't just one, nigga, it was almost a well, I maybe I'm exaggerated, but like fucking 90% of the industry just fucking disappeared. Hell yeah. It's like, it's like no one's around. It's like, it's just me. All along.
SPEAKER_06And then it's like also like the reasoning too. It's like you think about it, it's like, bro, like that's that's that's always the interesting to me, the interesting thing to me about the beef. It's like, when you think about Kendrick, it's like Drake and Kendrick had a problem, right?
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_06But then when you when you really look into it, it's just like, did Drake and Ross really have a problem? Did Drake and ASAP really have a problem? Like, I think Drake and Kendrick had a problem. They had a I think Drake and Kendrick had a if I see this nigga at the mall, like we we might fight. Like, but the rest of these niggas is just like who jumped in and and all this shit is like Rihanna, my brother. That's what I'm saying. No, but it's like, no, but what I'm saying is like, what was their fucking issue?
SPEAKER_04You know, Rihanna's the one that got away for Drake.
SPEAKER_06No, I know, but what, but what was their issue before, other than like some pet like I legit think that Kendrick did not like Drake. Like, but when when the beef first happened, it was the whole the feature request. Kendrick was like, no, nigga, we got some shit to address. Like with ASAP and Drake is just like, all right, nigga, Drake been saying some shit about Rihanna, like, and then ASAP just took, I feel like, the opportunity. But I don't, I don't feel like I feel like Kendrick had to beef with Drake. The rest of these niggas, I don't feel like they had to. Like, it could have been some shit they could have either not addressed, or he could have not addressed, or they could have just left it for a later time. But I feel like with Kendrick, it was like, no, nigga, like, me and you have a problem. You and Cole just hit me up to be a feature, and I'm telling y'all no, and now I'm gonna go and do this verse, like, we're gonna go through it. Cause I feel like Kendrick felt like, nah, bro, like we we have a problem, like I have to address it. The rest of these niggas, like, especially like niggas like fucking Ross and then and then niggas in niggas in the fucking media who's talking shit, like, a lot of these niggas don't have a real reason. It's just like with and it's gonna sound like glazing, but other than the nigga just being on the top, like, why do you hate this nigga?
SPEAKER_04But that's what it is. It's just they don't people don't like winners. Yeah, people don't like winners. Like, why do bro? Why do why do people hate the Chiefs? Why do people say, Oh, I'm tired of the Chiefs going to the Super Bowl? Because they kept winning. So people don't like Patrick Mahomes, people don't like the Chiefs, people don't like that's what it is. But people don't like the Yankees, people don't like the Yankees. Why? They they won too much, people don't like LeBron, why nigga won too much? But then there's also other shit too. There's also other shit with the Yankees, other shit with Patrick Mahomes, other shit with the things. There's always some other shit. You know, Braun keeps switching teams up, you know what I'm saying? We'll get to that. Um the next one. I'm a real nigga and he's not. The next one, the next one that we got is plot twist, which is a sneaky good fucking song.
SPEAKER_14October's zone is the label. Set figure deal was a fable. A figure bought out the neighbors. Now figures turning the tables. You pussy boy better be ready and able. I'm coming. I can't talk on broke 'cause it's sticky. Free tea and free greasy, my killes. My youngest put lots on the city, so he should come out when it's on his fire. My young boy told me. Oh no that's twist. That's the twist.
SPEAKER_06I think the B switch is when he starts to do it.
SPEAKER_14G Way handshake when we go to shake hands, man. Can't trust you. Pulling out the cash on camera, waterproof. I f twist.
SPEAKER_06And you know what? And you know what, man?
SPEAKER_14Like twisting his fingers and looking at me.
SPEAKER_06I disagree with Kendrick, man. I like Drake when he sounds tough.
SPEAKER_04Like, I'm twisting. Yeah, you gotta that again again. That's just it's just one of those things. It it it sounds it sounded good. It sounded good in the in the disc record, I will say that. But teach their own. The next one. Fold that up right now. The next uh that was one of the best things we got from the Iceman rollout. Fold that up right now. Listen, then we got too hard for the radio. Yeah. We, you know, got that bop from the bay, man. That swing. I like it, man. This one is one of them ones. And again, another B switch.
SPEAKER_14Hey, uh, yeah, hey, mm-hmm, jum. All right. Look, listen up, it's about to be smoke. Ain't nothing but some shit I wrote about a rich ass nigga that's deep in the game. They call me Drizzy Drake, and I'm keeping a name.
SPEAKER_04Rest in peace, Mac Dre, man. We wouldn't even have this now.
SPEAKER_14Right, bitch, remember that. Now a nigga got a fact head. Yeah, and I'm on a west like the pack tin. Yeah, I'm fucking power couples up, yeah.
SPEAKER_04Acting like you love marrying your Again to me, to me, that song is just one of those where Drake is just flexing that he can do this on any given day. Any given day, any given beat, any give it doesn't matter. Like, he just he just fucking does this shit. Like, this is like like people, rappers are are not supposed to be able to just do this, to to bend genres and hop on every sound, every wave, and do it successfully. Like, this is what makes Drake Drake.
SPEAKER_06Like they they try like people try to discredit him for it, but it's just no, not everybody can do it. Hell no. And I love when people like they they try to say, like, you know, the the culture vultures, shit like that, but it's just like, bro, like, I'm telling you, bro, if if every rapper could just say, oh shit, I'm gonna go to the West Coast, I'm gonna get a beat, and that shit is just gonna go. Like, they would bro, there are there are great rappers.
SPEAKER_04There are great rappers. We can't like Nas is one of the greatest rappers. Nas would sound hilarious trying to rap on his beat.
SPEAKER_14And that's bro, and that like could you boy need to worry about a journey in your life?
SPEAKER_04Like, what is Nas doing with that? Like, come on, no, like we not, we don't want to hear that. And that's we don't want to listen to that.
SPEAKER_06That's what separates like fucking goats. Because one thing I seen on on Twitter, somebody brought it back, because you know the the whole Jay-Z thing. Oh, yeah, of course. Was um they had posted, um, they was like, oh, but remember when Hove did this, and yo, they posted the freestyle that that Jay did on um We Made It. Yeah, the so the Drake and Soldier Boy shit, and I was just like, nah, this nigga skated on that shit. I forgot, I forgot about that shit. But I was like, that that's what goats do, because that's not that's not Jay-Z's typical sound of nothing, nigga. He jumped on that shit and went fucking crazy, bro.
SPEAKER_04To me, that's that's what makes Jay-Z Jay-Z. Like Hove is different. Hove can Hove can do that.
SPEAKER_16Let's not forget about Wheezy. Wheezy jumped on everything.
SPEAKER_04Oh yeah, Wheezy's another one. Again, but again, we're talking. We are when we bring up names like Jay-Z, Lil Wayne, like we are talking about the best of the best to get on a mic and spit 16s. Like, this is not an everyday thing. Like, yeah, Big Sean is a good rapper, great even. He's he can't do that. Like, he just he can't do that. Like, there's things he sounds good on, and there's things he's going to sound bad on. Lil Baby cannot do that. Exactly. Like, it's just it that's just one of those things. The very next song is the one that made all the waves on Wednesday night. It was by a different name. But now we know the name of this song is Make Them Remember. I might have to play this one because there's a lot in this shit. And we gotta talk about this shit.
SPEAKER_09For real.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, just bear with us, man, because we got we got we got we got some shit to get to. This this is a lot with this one. Oh, they copin pleas. Oh brother. Oh, brother.
SPEAKER_14You know, it's never been nothing.
SPEAKER_04I think I'm gonna name this episode Oh brother. Oh, brother.
SPEAKER_14Don't try coming around when the sponsor's back at 10 nothing. For real. And you gotta use that sponge brother fish. Turbulent flights, dodging cumulus clouds, squares throwing a line, but we had the root of it now. It feels like I got a lot of even time. So I don't know if these are wins or not, based on what's suitable now.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, he gonna crazy.
SPEAKER_14I'm the golden goose making things up and losing times. I'm in the battlefield, really putting boots to the ground. Booster CPO stands. Just based off the name of the spell.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, Dre, he's talking about you. Didn't didn't have Dr.
SPEAKER_16Dre catching the shot here, but I take it back. This is the best song on this fucking album.
SPEAKER_04No, no, this this is the best. This is the best. This is the best one, man. If there was gonna be a timestamp, this is it.
SPEAKER_06I don't know if this is the best song, but it's definitely the best rap performance. Because you always made your career.
SPEAKER_04This is the best rapping he's done in the copy of the newest rules. Arguably in his career.
SPEAKER_16Nigga, I I remember because you're playing it. I was trying, nigga, you know my memory, that shit don't work. Yeah. And as you're playing this, nigga, I'm like, oh, I remember how I was in my house when I heard this shit, nigga. Like they keep popping up on you. Granted, if you refer to the song as like the whole production and everything, that that's not why it's not the greatest. I get it, it's not the best beat selection, it's not, but what he's spitting, no, that's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_06Like rap performance is by I can't say by far because he went crazy in some of the other ones, but yeah, he did.
SPEAKER_15No no nigga. This shit too.
SPEAKER_06But it's just it's it's like you were saying earlier, it's not even just what he says, it's like, bro, like the way he says this shit, like the way he fucking puts the verses together, bro. Even the shit about like, I don't know if he said it, even the shit about Braun, bro. The 23andMe like bro, like it's coming right here, bro.
SPEAKER_14Like 60 means chances are you take. Please stop asking about what's going on with 23 and me. I'm a real nigga and he's not. It's in my DNA. I could have fell back like the merry rapper, but we engaged. I told you I'm settled in my evil.
SPEAKER_03Sorry, Cole.
SPEAKER_14These niggas thinking that this spot is up for grabs to never see today. To be the number one, you gotta lead the way. And I hold something over my head forever. You're still a couple feet away. Your insecurities keep spanning, season. Talking about in the Bible, maybe I should read a phase. I stop crosses on a next, nigga, Jesus stays. Well, even if he does, nigga, either way. The blasphemy you talk, let me know that your amazing grace gon' be delayed. You niggas should be ashamed. The fact you had to bring those talks to get some decent place. Goodness grace. God wanna wipe that low small blood right over your fucking face. All you really did was cap like uppercase. Dog and two, but still managed to finally get a hit and let you run a base. Nigga, think about it first. You need them so you out at home now, just like a double play. Ask for these other stuff that's just tucked away. I'm down to put bills on their face. No wonder why they been duckin' Drake. Come on, bills on their face, no wonder why they been ducked.
SPEAKER_04Duckin' Drake is crazy.
SPEAKER_14Let's not even take it to that other place.
SPEAKER_04Like double dates.
SPEAKER_14Nigga, what the state like you want to race. I watched this guy's bathroom with a fuzzing face.
SPEAKER_04Stomach aches. Sorry, Joe.
SPEAKER_06Yo, he ended up your punk ass. You live to see another day, and even if you don't, it's just another day.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, man. He he snapped like that.
SPEAKER_16Nigga, you crazy. That shit is the best song. That shit right there, nigga. What the fuck was that? That shit right there. That's the best song, nigga. Nigga went nuts, bro. That song enough, nigga, is enough to duct you, nigga, into the hall of fucking fame, nigga. This nigga, bro. And make you the nigga. There's not nigga. You compare that shit to everything that came out in the beef, nigga. Oh, come on, forgetting there. Is he? That nigga.
SPEAKER_04And this is again, this is just one of those songs that like gives, you know, those of us who have been arguing for years with people saying, like, yo, his pen not like that, the ghostwriter that goes right. Listen, ain't nobody ghostwrite this shit. This is his shit. Nigga. Like, when we say that Drake can rap, this is what we're talking about. Bro, like that this.
SPEAKER_16You know what? Thank you, Drake. I honestly thank you. This is what I've been asked with. This is what I needed. But what you also are fucking bringing, nigga, is nigga. No fucking real rapper can sit in their motherfucking house and be like, you know what? Yeah, fuck, nigga, you already got beaten, nigga. Your ass is over. That nigga, you listen to that shit, nigga. If I, nigga, I feel like rapping and I'm not a rapper. That's a fact. I feel like fucking grabbing a mic, nigga, putting some words together, nigga, and just going at this nigga. Bro, this nigga is disrespectful. Like, god damn, nigga.
SPEAKER_04Like, I don't know. No, no. It's and that that that brings you into the last act of the album, which from there goes to Little Birdie. Another one of another fucking banger.
SPEAKER_14Yeah, his and hers it. I don't like going to Vegas. I start missing merger. If you sick if he was a big thing. All these pussy niggas cheating like they clip the hurdle. All these pussy niggas acting like they missed the murder. All these air, I didn't you know I skipped this one.
SPEAKER_16Speak on me. Oh no, this shit go hard. He sounded too much like 21.
SPEAKER_03Hey, DJ Frisco 95.
SPEAKER_04I like I like the vibe of this one. This shit got a nice little bounce to it. Then you got don't worry.
SPEAKER_14I know you too.
SPEAKER_12I feel a lot thanks to you. What is this time? I know me.
SPEAKER_04I like the chorus in this one. Classic Drake. And niggas say they want the old Drake. Nigga, this is it, right? This is this is this is why niggas fell in love with Drake. This is this is the type of shit right here.
SPEAKER_14When do they look up to you?
SPEAKER_04And then firm friends.
SPEAKER_14Back at it, back at it.
SPEAKER_04To me, this is like the real outro of the album. Like what I was saying about the beginning of the album, I feel like the same way at the end. Like, he did, and this is different for Drake. Like, normally, like, he stays true. Like, the intro is very intro-y, the outro is very outro-y. Yeah. I feel like for me, the one that felt more intro-y wasn't make them cry. To me, whisper my name felt more like that to me. But he starts with make them cry because it sets the tone better. At the end of the album, I feel like he goes full circle, he does it again. Firm friends, like when I was, I was a couple episodes ago, I was I was speaking about Drake's outro is how he like just like empties whatever he got left that he needs to say and wants to make sure niggas hear, he puts it on the outro. To me, he did that in firm friends. But make them know is the actual last song in the album. And it brings the whole thing full circle. But I'll play a little bit more of this one because you know it's a conductor beat, you knew he's about to get it to his bag.
SPEAKER_14You think I didn't see that you stayed silent? It's like you endorsing it all. May as well stand behind him. I stood beside you, thought there was something good inside you. Situations like these, they want you to notice the difference. Look at me and Neeks, for instance. We know we live different lives, and we've been on our separate missions. Look at how time flies. Twenty years past, he's still the same guy. But I get it, you ain't wanna be the main guy. Explains why most people die, not knowing who would have stuck by their side. It doesn't even cross their mind, they just go alone for the ride. They'll never know their friends' decision. Friends never had to decide. See, you have to doin' everything you could have done for everyone. You just do what you should have done since day one. You stick with your day ones. I'm not the villain or the victim. I am the author. My right hand guys the pen along the page until the chapter's done.
SPEAKER_04And then he closes out with this one. And we heard the end of this in Iceman episode three.
SPEAKER_14I'm going back to Cali. Again, I got hearts and both my eyes. Very calm sleeping with death on my mind. Very laid back.
SPEAKER_04Very reserved. And calming is this ain't it. Firm friends is the normal outro Drake. This is different.
SPEAKER_14Pressure been getting a bit high. He gets, I don't think we'll be seeing him again.
SPEAKER_04Hold on, that's my favorite line.
SPEAKER_14These niggas recouping on 2012. Sorry.
SPEAKER_04Intimate. What happened to Drake with the innocence?
SPEAKER_14I don't think we'll be seeing him again.
SPEAKER_04Yeah. And that's it. That's the last, that's the last bars that he gives us on the album. What happened to Drake with the innocence? I don't think we'll be seeing him again. Like, to me, what better fucking note to finish the album on than like everybody wanted to know what you felt, what it was like going through it, what it was like being hated, being the villain, the 20v1, losing the Kendrick, losing everything. And he tells you everything you need to know with that fucking line. I learned my fucking lesson. That's what it felt like. I learned my fucking lessons. That Drake with the innocence, you ain't seeing him again. That's it. Like, I know who my day ones are. I know who my real niggas are. I know that's and I that's who I gotta be with. And that's it. And I gotta be me. If you love it, you love it. If you hate it, you hate it, but that's it.
SPEAKER_16Like it's also a sad moment in hip hop. Yeah, it is, it is. Because it's like, yo, he's a hit maker. And it's like, even to think that.
SPEAKER_04Hits are better with more people.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, it's like Khaled. Khaled fucking does some masterful work uh collabing with people. And it's like just he knows that Drake ain't fucking gonna be a part of it. Uh like you think back to like uh the whole Kendrick, uh Drake, ASAP on uh fucking problems. It's like that ain't happening again. That shit was a moment in time.
SPEAKER_04Nigga, it's like I mean, we we might get that shit when they when they all old and gray and like celebrating their careers 20 years from now.
SPEAKER_06I think it could happen because I really feel like a lot of these niggas don't really have that problem. It's just niggas gotta put that that ego aside and just say, like, I think Rick Ross was in the beginning stages of that when he was trying to say, Drizzy, we want to see you win or whatever.
SPEAKER_16But I think it was bullshit after after after everything they got thing.
SPEAKER_04Because he said, I think he said all that, but then he heard he heard his he heard his shot on the album. He heard his shot, and then he fucked up.
SPEAKER_06He said I was aided, I was Aiden Ross with streams long before Aiden Ross was I said I just think niggas gotta be like niggas gotta be realistic and say, like, alright, bro, whatever you did during that time, bro, like this nigga is aware it wasn't just Kendrick going at him. Like, so exactly, because my yo, my shit is this, like, bro, that's my biggest problem with ICE's shit on the podcast. Future being on this project is what tells me, like, listen, nigga, the door is never completely closed for niggas. Like, if he really fucked with you, like, shit could be made right in some way.
SPEAKER_16Because he was beefing with future future.
SPEAKER_06But here's his beefing from the beginning, here's what I'll say with the future.
SPEAKER_04The future shit was different because future never took shots. Yeah, future was involved, but future was involved in a in a in a very in a way that looked bad because it's like, yo, you let the nigga on your song. Yeah, you're supposed to be down with me, and then you let this nigga jump on your song and do that.
SPEAKER_16And you were metro, it's nigga. That shit was nigga Drake.
SPEAKER_04That's what it was. It's like, you know, so you metro had a beef with me. He convinced you to do this shit on that album. Like, you shouldn't have done that.
SPEAKER_16Drake, you just showed your weakness, brother. Fuck that, nigga. You're gonna reconcile, nigga. The nice Drake is coming back, nigga.
SPEAKER_04The sensitive nah, I feel like I feel like with future, I understand. Like, I understand why that, well, that, why that reconciliation was like the quick first one. Cause like he never he never directly sent shots. He just he let the dude do it on his a song, his song.
SPEAKER_16C's, if a nigga is taking shots at you, and it's your man's like, yo, you my nigga, and it's like you heard the shit, yeah, and you still decided to put this shit out in the world. Yeah, no, there's gonna be beef, and there was, but I think there's gonna be beef, and there was.
SPEAKER_04You started it. It's like you're the fucking he didn't stop.
SPEAKER_16But I think bro, we believe in the root of the problem. He is the root, he is the fucking if it wasn't for that, nigga.
SPEAKER_04That's where I disagree. Because I feel like if it was so here's the thing. That's so that's my question to you. So if it wasn't for that, you don't think Kendrick would have got his shit off somewhere else?
SPEAKER_16Yeah, he would have, but not on my man's song, nigga. You could that's that's my point.
SPEAKER_04That put that did add more fuel to the fire.
SPEAKER_13Like when we heard the verse, and then it was like, damn, he did that shit on a future song.
SPEAKER_06But also, it was uh it was like a metro, it was a metro and future project. So it could have just been some shit where like nigga Metro got Future's verse, then got Kendrick's verse, then got this.
SPEAKER_04But you could tell that him and you could tell that the the that him and future were gonna reconcile quick. Cause even when he was, when even when he was dropping the diss tracks, he never said shit about future. The only lie he said about future was like, we ain't never even really been through it. Like, nigga, like, I don't even know why you acting like this. Like, we never had no beef, basically. Like, so like I feel like from way back then, like, we kind of knew, like, yeah, he's not, like, he he ain't really gonna take the shit.
SPEAKER_06And I think the reason they the shit never went there is because despite of the in spite of everything, like future never doubled down and came out and sent a direct shot or whatever. Like, he didn't do what fucking Rick Ross did and try to capitalize off the moment or whatever. Cause that's that's what makes it look crazy. It's like, all right, bro, you could be involved with some shit. Maybe you could laugh at some shit, maybe you can even listen to a song. But once you involve yourself and make it look like you're against me, that's the shit that's hard to come back from. Like, that's the real problem with fucking LeBron. It's like, bro, you supposed to be my man's every chance you fucking got. Niggas had videos of you dancing and not like us. Like, it's one thing if you'd have just gone to the fucking pop out and yeah, you was there. Yeah, my wife is cool with Kendrick's wife, and you know, I like Kendrick. Cool. But it's just like, bro, there's the there's a fucking video.
SPEAKER_04You know you can't be there for that shit.
SPEAKER_06But but even then, like, it I feel like if that was the if that was the only event, I think nigga Drake would have lived with it. Because it could have been like, my wife wanted to go, because I think Savannah's cool with like Whitney. Yeah, or and and LeBron has been documented like Kendrick.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but your wife could have went dolo. You ain't have to be in the you ain't have to be there. Nah, he didn't. But I'm just saying, like, to be there and be to be there and to be front row center, nigga, where they can record you dancing to the fucking song, dissing me.
SPEAKER_06I think the shit that was worse was that in the shit with the team USA basketball um shit, there's a video where they're playing that shit and fucking Steph, they're playing not like us, and nigga Brown is like dancing, and Steph is just like, yo, damn, bro, I'm kind of sick of this shit. That's all they play. And you just hear LeBron like, nah, man, I love this shit. And it's just like, you see, bro, like, how nigga, that shit is talking about your man's, and you talking about I love this shit. Like to me, that's way worse than if niggas just spotted you walking into the arena for the pop out. Exactly. Like, because that's just you just saying, nah, I love this shit. Like, bro, I don't give a fuck that this shit is taking shots at my life.
SPEAKER_16Nigga, you don't think uh uh, what is it? Jay-Z don't listen to Ether, nigga. He listens to that shit. It's like at the end of the day, freaking yo, he likes the song, bro.
SPEAKER_04It's like ain't no real I get I get him liking us, but it's just like he could listen to it now.
SPEAKER_06I don't think he listened to that shit when it first came out. Oh Jay-Z?
SPEAKER_16Oh, of course.
SPEAKER_06Like, I don't think if he was like, like if he walked into a studio and niggas was playing that, he would just sit down, like, nah, yeah, we won't.
SPEAKER_16He walks into he is fuck Jay-Z. Yeah, like I don't think he would do that.
SPEAKER_04I just feel like, yeah, like I when I look at Rick Ross and LeBron, I I see it, I see it very similarly to Zay, where it's like, the reason that y'all on the side that y'all on right now is because you did too much. You did too much. Like, future did play played the role that he played in this. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it wasn't a big role. I, you know, Jazz's point is 100% true. He he played a big role because the the kickoff of the fireworks was on his song. But his behavior afterwards he stood quiet and he got out the way, and that was it. He let things play out or whatever, and that was what it was. Rick Ross was making IG videos, Rick Ross made a diss song, LeBron was at the pop-out, LeBron was asking for the song to be played, LeBron was dancing to the song every time it was played. Like, you can't do those things and then try to come around like Rick Ross did recently. Sean, no, shut up. Don't work like that. And when Drake says sending them sending them owl emojis in my DM, like he called them little man? Yeah, he called them little man. You do it.
SPEAKER_06I think owl emojis either had to be. That was LeBron or Khaled. I thought that was LeBron. I feel like that's that's some shit Khaled. Could be Khaled too.
SPEAKER_04Could be Khaled. Probably more Khaled than LeBron, even. Uh, because that does seem like some shit Khaled would do, like, yeah, let me send some owls. Like, you know, Iceman is coming. Shut up, Khaled. Drake vocals in yet. Yeah, and I think when he says that you stay quiet, didn't say nothing. I think that's the shit that he's directing towards Khaled also, uh, aside from the other bars. But like, yeah, like I I feel like even even the Khaled shit, I think that could that could be reconciled. At this point, though, the ball would be more so in Khaled's court because Drake had to get the shit off that he got off on his album. Now it has to be a situation where Khaled is okay with those bars and says, look, man, let's figure this out. But the LeBron shit, the Rick Ross shit, like I don't know if I see a pathway to that reconciliation because again, you guys did too much. You guys did too much.
SPEAKER_06I think one of the things I have a conspiracy theory about why he got P for LeBron. I'm gonna run about you a little later.
SPEAKER_16And I'm I'm a little in between with this. Because I feel like one of the I feel bad because I felt like Cole just it's it's up from this moment forward between the two of them, and it's like I feel like it's unfair.
SPEAKER_04I don't think Cole will have beef with Drake though.
SPEAKER_16No, but Drake don't want nothing to do with that nigga.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, Drake doesn't seem like he wants anything to do with the big three thing. Like he thinks it seems like that's done.
SPEAKER_16No, but it's over for that. He's saying he doesn't respect the apology or some shit like that. He does.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, no, he he was never, but I think he he said that even when the the beef was going on. He said, I don't care what Cole think, like that shit was weak as fuck. Like he he don't care. Like he was like, I'm not on that type of time.
SPEAKER_06No, but I feel like on one of the songs, he also said some shit towards like the fact that it's like yo, it's yeah, he was talking about he don't he don't like how um like Cole walked away from shit because they said he said the man, yeah.
SPEAKER_04He also said he said the Mary rapper fell back, but I but I'm engaged.
SPEAKER_06Like I'm like, yeah, then he was just like I couldn't like I couldn't do that for me. It would be death over submission. Yeah, he smoked that by the way. Yeah, no, he did. But yeah, basically, like the the gist is like nah nigga, you got a call and you decided to step away from the beat. But if he didn't he didn't respect he didn't respect what and it's like bro, this isn't respect what both of us and we was both locked in, and then you just like nah you gonna do this on your own, and then start ducking my call for the rest for the rest of the time.
SPEAKER_04That's what they did. They played they you know, they played, they played the games. I mean, again, the Kendrick shit was calculated. It was calculated and it was it was it was played perfectly. Like they knew, they knew that you know if J. Cole was actually gonna be engaged into this battle, this is a whole different ball game. We are having way different conversations today if J. Cole stays engaged throughout this whole battle. Get Simba. I'm sorry, I do not believe that Kendrick would have been able, there's I'm not even I'm sorry, I'm not sorry. There's no way on God's green earth that Kendrick Lamar would have been able to do 50% of what he did to Drake to J. Cole. No fucking way. One, J. Cole raps too fucking good. At the time that this beef happened, I will say it again. At the time that this beef happened, the best rapper out of the big three was J. Cole. He was rapping the best out of all three of them niggas. That's one. Two, J. Cole doesn't have the jacket that Drake does. There's not a lot to pull from.
SPEAKER_06Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Drake, Drake, even Drake, when he talks about, he has to refer to him as the married rapper. J. Cole is not out here doing nothing nefarious, nothing salacious. Like, what could you really have done? You could have made, you could have thrown some shots about albums that didn't resonate as well or whatever, but you can't talk about the numbers. You can't talk about the tours, you can't talk about anything. Everything he does sells and does as much as your shit. So it would have just been a beef where it's rapability versus rapability. And if that would have been the battle, you're losing. You're not beating J. Cole. So the smartest thing that TDE did was pick up that fucking phone and be like, yo, this ain't really about you. You know that this nigga got beef with this nigga for a long time, and you know this shit was a long time coming. You know, you should probably just, you know, this this ain't this ain't this ain't about you. If you want to do this, we don't recommend you do this or whatever. That was the smartest thing they did. Also because niggas know J. Cole. I think that's what it was. J. Cole was the only one that seemed to be so surprised about the way that he reacted to it. Because in reality, like, if you know J. Cole and you've been following his whole career, like, yes, all TDE had to do was put in a phone call. And he was gonna do what he did.
SPEAKER_16I don't know, bro. I don't agree. I think that J. Cole and Kendrick, I don't think it would have been just Cole wins. I think it would have been I think this would have ended up not the way Drake and Kendrick. I think it would have been an all-out war. I think this shit would have been bar for bar.
SPEAKER_04I think because I I don't think he could go bar for bar with Cole.
SPEAKER_16I think he could. I think Kendrick He's good.
SPEAKER_04Kendrick is great. Where Cole was when this started, again, we're speaking about two years ago.
SPEAKER_16He was on top of the world. He was being featured on the room.
SPEAKER_04And the level that he was rapping at. I think if the even that okay, even even compare, even compare, even compare what G and X was, right? Compare that to the the blizzard that Cole dropped before.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, but I feel like GNX the offseason, bro. Like nah, but the G G and X is that shit just seems like a fucking mainstream album. Like that should have been a lot of people.
SPEAKER_04It's a love letter to the West Coast, but it's like that's that's Kendrick rapping. That's whatever. I'm just saying, like, look, Kendrick is a great rapper, bro. Jake, I'm sorry, man. Like maybe I got my J. Cole cable. I'm just saying, like. Like it's not is that's not going the way that it went with Drake. It's just not. Like J. Cole was rapping. That's for sure. J.
SPEAKER_06Cole was rapping too good. Too good. I think we could all agree that it would be competitive. Yeah. I I'm on the side that I definitely I think J. Cole will win. I don't think that C's was saying that like J. Cole would like wipe the floor with him. I think what like what he said was he Kendrick wouldn't be able to do 50% of what he did to K.
SPEAKER_04I don't think Kendrick wiped the floor with Drake.
SPEAKER_06But it's like it's true.
SPEAKER_04I don't think Kendrick wiped the floor with Drake. If we just compare songs, if we're just talking songs, song versus song, whatever. Kendrick did not wipe the floor with Drake.
SPEAKER_16No, I think Drake did way better than fucking Kendrick.
SPEAKER_04Kendrick won off a not like us. He made the commercial hit or whatever, like that. And he would have never, and again, you can make a commercial hit, right? That's gonna do what it did to Drake. J. Cole is not the commercial hit nigga. With J. Cole, you would have had to keep rapping. Kendrick Kendrick does not. Again, look, look, look, look. Kendrick doesn't do that. He doesn't drop. He doesn't he doesn't do that. J. Cole does that. Drake does that. At the time that the battle started, J. Cole was doing it even more than Drake. He was on every feature, whatever. And he was killing everything, every beat you sent him, everything. He was just murdering all that shit. So when I look at that, I'm like, bro, at the place that he was at lyrically, I'm like, yeah, like the first couple of exchanges would have been competitive for sure. But I think it gets to a point where if J. Cole would have been like, nah, I'm committed to the lot, let's do this. I'm like, I just think he's too good of a rapper. And it would, he would have he would have won. Like to me, there's no doubt in my mind he's winning that. There's it's not even a like, there's not a semblance of a doubt that J. Cole would have won that.
SPEAKER_16To me. But again, I'm just playing devil's advocate at this point. It's like, because I agree, J. Cole is a fucking monster. And I and the shoe, where he was at that moment, ain't nobody. Like, that's why when we first started the conversation when we were in the chat, I was like, if Cole gets involved, this shit is over. It's like everyone. At least that portion of it, yeah. Because it was like Cole was on, like I said, on first person shooter, he had the best fucking uh uh uh bars in that whole fucking song. It's like that that nigga, and it to me, what is it, seven-minute drill? Yeah, it's like that shit was the best fucking shit to come out of that whole fucking and that was light. But the thing I will say was that when Kendrick went up against Drake, that's why I don't want to be so quick to say, because in the shoe was they said, I don't also want to make it seem like you're saying, like, oh, he's gonna wipe the floor down with Kendrick. It's like I just want to also throw out there that when the beef started, everybody was saying Kendrick can't keep up with uh with with Drake. Granted, he won big because he dropped a fucking mega hit. I feel like he dropped a nuke, yeah. It's like if he does the same shit with Cole, then we'll be again that and I think that's my problem with hip hop. If we go bar for bar, bar for bar, and remove the hard part, whatever the fuck this nigga dropped. If you remove that, to me, Drake won the whole shit. Because song-wise? No, bar for bar, like hip hop. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_04I'm saying just rapping, rapping, rapping versus rapping. I but I I've always had that same opinion, though. Drake to this day, I have that same opinion. Even with even with not like us, I think Drake rapped better in the rap beats.
SPEAKER_16Kendrick just had one song that was fucking good. Euphoria. Yeah. Euphoria was amazing. It was like, besides euphoria, everything else was like, you know, it was good.
SPEAKER_06He had bars, he had like Meet the Grams was cool, but But what he was Meet the Grams was not cool. I'm sorry. We to me it was cool. It wasn't true. That shit had a blatant lie, bro. We not letting anybody else get away with that.
SPEAKER_04I'm saying, yes, it's a lie. But nigga, not like us had the bigger lie in it.
SPEAKER_06But at least you could just say, ah, well, you know, there was a time where people thought that there was something with a 17-year-old. It's a huge the whole shit where he had a daughter, like there was there was no semblance of truth of some shit where you could be like, oh, well, I can see why Kendrick could think that. It's literally just the nigga got bad information.
SPEAKER_04But I'm saying, whether it was true or not, the song in and of itself, it's a cool song. Like it, like the the the theme, the flow, and that's like the concept of it. Like it's it's a good thing.
SPEAKER_06I can't even consider it a point. Like, I just can't. And then also because of the time it came out, I was just like, No, I'm not saying that. You dropped this shit after Family Matters. No, I never arguably one of the probably the best song out the whole time.
SPEAKER_04The best rapping in the beef is Family Matters.
SPEAKER_16But the thing is, it's like if you think of it, and I feel like that's that's why I actually uh what's that shit called? The shit we're talking about? The Meet the Grams? Meet the Grams. The reason why I like it, and I don't think it's the best, so I think it's the weaker of fucking, no, the hard part six is the weakest.
SPEAKER_04But second is that that one and the the other one, like the 6 p.m. and uh 6 a.m. like 16 and 616 in LA or whatever. Like that.
SPEAKER_16Like those shits, the reason why I like Meet the Grams was because in the moment in time, before niggas were like, oh, this shit is fake, and I always I'm gonna stand by that and I'm gonna die by that. I feel like all rap beefs, niggas throw shit at niggas that isn't true. Niggas is being called homosexuals or whatever. So that's why for me, whether it's true or not, it's like for me, it's like, yo, who could fucking drop the biggest bomb or make the biggest? And I felt like at the moment, like I remember, yo, listening to Meet the Grams, I was like, oh, this nigga's disrespectful. Like he's writing letters to his family, but it wasn't crazy.
SPEAKER_04It's also the fact that it came out, it came out an hour after Family Manager.
SPEAKER_16So it's like you had that, and then you had the fact that all you hear is like uh dear baby girl. It's like, oh shit. Wait, time out. This nigga exposed the kid on this. Yo, at the moment, nigga, everybody went for so he did a very good fucking job of fucking grabbing meet the uh uh uh family matters, which was a fucking nigga. That was it.
SPEAKER_04That was the and and this is why he won. He was he was able to survive Family Matters. Yeah, Drake couldn't survive not like us. That's why then that's that's why Kendrick gets the win.
SPEAKER_16And I feel like that that's the only thing. It's like I feel like there was a lot of bullshit that went on in this beef, and it's like and when I say survive, I'm not saying Meet the Grams was better than Family Matters, it wasn't.
SPEAKER_04Like, compare Meet the Grams and Family Matters. I don't know. I mean, outside of a Kendrick stand, most people are gonna tell you Family Matters is better. But but Meet the Grams, the way it was played, dropping an hour after, and whatever, like it was able to he could he survived Family Matters off of that. And I'm and then the problem is, and then then you followed it up with Not Like Us on the Saturday, a week later. It was back to back, it was right, and then the next thing we got from Drake was the Hard Part Six. The Hard Part Six, and that was kind of like sounded like a white flag. Because Drake at that point realized this wasn't even just me versus a bunch of artists, this is actually me versus the label. This is happening at a strategic point when I'm in renegotiations and I'm trying to get a bigger deal and a bigger piece of the pie and all this stuff or whatever. He didn't realize that soon enough. But again, like that's that was the beauty of the battle. That's the beauty of how good Lucian is at what he's doing and his role in all this. He's the one pulling all these strings, and and that's the thing, is like Drake realized too late. Like, I'm sure there was a point in the beginning where he's like, Okay, I'm battling Kendrick, and then he starts realizing, oh shit, like no, it ain't just Kendrick, it's ASAP, it's Rick Ross, it's all all these niggas. Wait, hold on, wait, no, there's a lot of people here, wait. And then when you get to the hard part, the bodying and all that other shit. When you get to the hard part, I think that's when Drake realized, like, oh nah, like, um, this this shit is orchestrated, like this shit, they're trying to devalue me because of the contract negotiation. Like, this is not a rap beef. Like, this is like, yes, this is a rap beef, but like I have way bigger fish to fry. Like, these people are trying to take my livelihood. Like, this ain't even about winner-losing a rap battle. Like, this is my career at this point, and that's what I heard on that. It's like, no, I'm gonna go to vacation and whatever. It's basically like, yeah, I gotta step out of this because I need a whole new game plan for the battle that I'm actually in. But he at that point is like you you realize that too late. Like, so as far as that rap battle is concerned, like, yeah, you lost that because like that's it. But now you refocus and you go against the label, and whatever people are gonna see that how they see it, or whatever, that's cool. But it is what it is, man. He's and to this day, like, he's still battling the label.
SPEAKER_06And and also, can one another thing, another, another narrative that I've been seeing that oh my god, this shit pisses me off so much. We have to stop as a community, we have to stop saying that Drake is suing Kendrick. We also have to stop saying that Drake is suing because of a diss. Like it's 2026, the information is there. The nigga Universal Music Group. The involvement of Kendrick is saying Universal Music Group propped up this song to devalue me and cost me to lose money. Which basically the only reason Kendrick is mentioned, because it's not, it you look at the paperwork, it's not Aubrey Graham versus Kendrick Duckworth. It's Universal Music Group. And he's saying it has nothing to do with what Kendrick says on the song. It's y'all are fucking using your resources to prop up this song that makes me look bad to make me lose money. And that's what he is suing for the money that he's losing because they're propping up the song. He's what he's saying is let Lot Like Us have been a hit organically, like let it do what it was gonna do, don't help it do what it's gonna do because I'm in negotiations with y'all, and then y'all could turn around and be like, oh, you know, after the beef, man, you know.
SPEAKER_04Your numbers aren't the same. Yeah, your numbers only worth like 200 million. I know that y'all pressed the button because y'all have pressed the button for me. I know how these things work. The only reason that not like us is named, the only reason that lyrics are in the paperwork is because you cannot make the claim that they are propping up something that devalues you without proving how it could devalue you. So to prove how these this this song devalues him, yes, he has to name a minor and all that shit, whatever. It's not a battle against it's not about it's not a battle about him and Kendrick in the court. This is about I was in renegotiation with these people after recouping a $400 million deal, and I came back to the table and said, I've made you billions. This next deal ain't gonna be $400. I'm talking, I'm looking at a Billy now. I need a billion dollars and I want a piece, I want a ownership, whatever. I'm the one that really makes these things go. I keep the lights on in this place, I'm I'm keeping the ship afloat. And Lucy and his people was like, go fuck yourself. Like, we got Taylor Swift, we got Kendrick Lamar, we got whatever. Like, we don't know. So, how do they prove that it's like, yo, you ain't what you think you are. We made you who you are, whatever. Well, they make someone formidable enough to take him out in the public arena, and that's what they did. So, what is he doing? He is proving that that's what they did in a court battle. The court battle is not to freaking get not like us, not like us happened. We heard it, we saw it, we lived it, we danced to it. That moment happened, you can't take that away. Drake understands that better than anybody. He's done that to people, i.e. Meek Mill. He understands that he is not suing because of that. Suing is not gonna change that. You can't take that moment away, it happened. What suing can do though, is bring them to the settlement, which he references on Iceman. Bring them to that private settlement where they have to give him what he's been asking for all along, which is the money that he feels that he's worth, the valuation that he feels like he's earned. That's what it's about. That's what that case is about. The nigga saying that he's suing Kendrick is his people, it's just ignorant people in Kendrick stands who don't have nothing better to do. Again, you have to understand. Look, the I'm the saddest, the people I feel the most for right now is Kendrick Stands. They can't even enjoy this album. They can't even enjoy this album. They have to talk shit about it. They have to say he dropped three albums that are mid. They have to say, oh, he's a cornball, we don't respect him because he's suing Kendrick. That's not hip-hop. They have to do all this. Why? Because they're Kendrick stands. And right now they have nothing else to do. And why do they have nothing else to do? Because, like I just said, they're Kendrick stands. Okay? GNX happened. It's done. It's done. Who knows the next time they're gonna get a Kendrick album? And I could just never Who the fuck knows? Kendrick made more money, got more accolades, got more limelight than he ever got in his career after this battle. Got saw more success than he'd ever seen. Who the fuck knows the next time that we are gonna get a Kendrick Lamar project? It might it might be 2030 before we get a Kendrick Lamar project. So, Kendrick Sands, I got nothing better to do. I get it. So that's why I'm not engaging with none of them. It's like say what y'all want to say. This is what this is what y'all have to do, because this is this is what it is.
SPEAKER_06I just can't, like, my shit is bro, like it can't shit like that be like be pissing me off just because like when I like I think of the type of fan that I am, and I was just like, bro, my Apple music replay for 2025, the second song is fucking TV off. Like, I love that song. Great song. Because as much as I am a fan of Drake, like I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna sit here and say Kendrick is ass. I I can't do it.
SPEAKER_15I cannot lie and say, nigga, you better be careful.
SPEAKER_06Nah, but but it's just like like my shit is like, bro, I'm a Drake fan, nigga. I I went into the fucking battle. I was like, yo, I hope Drake smokes this nigga and whatever, but at the end of the day, what happened happened, but I'm not gonna deny that Kendrick came with some good music. So that's why I can't fathom people who, despite their fandom, can't admit that Drake made some good music. Yeah, like every like, bro, everything to discredit this man. And the shit that that pisses me off the most is like, bro, you niggas claim to not be Drake fans. Y'all be the most tuned in. Y'all niggas listen to it first. Y'all niggas had an opinion at two in the fucking morning, nigga. I went to sleep. I'm a Drake fan. I'm like, bro, I listen to that shit in the morning, three albums, nigga. Straight up. I gotta go to work. Niggas listen to that shit at 2 a.m. Niggas woke up in the morning to listen to that shit just to say that it was ass. I'm like, bro, I would never run to a niggas music that I don't like that fast. But these niggas do that shit. And it's just like, bro, I feel for niggas who have to live that way. Who can't who can't just admit like, bro, this nigga made this nigga made some fire shit. Cause that could never be me, bro. Like, I was listening to before before TV off, that's probably my favorite Kendrick song of all time. I might be exaggerating.
SPEAKER_15You don't like when Pyrrhus and Crips all got along, they probably got you.
SPEAKER_06I like I like that one, but I don't like I don't like the beat as much. Like I like TV off because like when you fucking crank the speaker up, I feel like the whole house shakes. Like, I just like that. That's it. And before that one, my my favorite Kendrick shit is actually, I think it's a freestyle. It's um the shit that is like real people want real music, the jig is up. Oh, yeah. That's my shit. That shit is hard. And now we're dumping out the roof. That's my shit. Like that shit went platinum on my SoundCloud. Because I don't even think it was on regular streaming. But yo, but my shit is like, bro, I can't even like bro. I can't front. Like when I heard that song, I heard, I think I heard whacked out murals first, and then I heard that one second. Whacked out murals is hard too. I was just like, bro, this is fire, bro. Like, I can't, like that's and that's why I like like you know, like the group chat that we have, because it's just like nigga, I'm an old Drake fan. We know you a Kendrick fan. Mishi, that nigga's an OD Cole fan. But niggas ain't gonna go in there on no bullshit, like this shit is ass. Like, bro, because it's just like, bro, like at the end of the day, we like who we like, but it's just like I like Kendrick.
SPEAKER_16I'm not I'm not no fucking Kendrick. Like, for example, way these niggas love Cole, nigga. I I'm that's not me with Kendrick, nigga. Fuck that.
SPEAKER_04I like I consider one.
SPEAKER_06I don't think you like that with Kendrick. Don't don't Mishi say that's his father or something.
SPEAKER_04Nah, yeah, nah, yeah, no. No, no, I don't think any of us are as much a fan of somebody as as Misa is of J. Cole. Like that's that's a different level.
SPEAKER_16Like me, I I'm a fan. Like, if you want to call me a fan, a fan of any artist, 50. Yeah, 50. That that's that's my nigga. And if not 50, is Wayne. And then after that is J to Kiss, and this is between J to Kiss and Fab.
SPEAKER_06Where does Kanye factor in?
SPEAKER_16Oh shit, I forgot about Kanye. Wait, it's not enough. Kanye. Now, the one thing I did want to say though, even though we did it, uh uh, we did it ourselves, it's also not fair to Drake on his album release for nigga to start fucking also bringing up like the beef again. It's like that shit is over and is done. And I know he mentions it in the fucking in the album, but this isn't about Kendrick anymore. It's like this is a nigga who fucking got some shit to get off his chest. It's like this is about a nigga who's fucking been on top of the game holding it down for fucking years. This is about a nigga who's finally fucking showing his ass. And not just that, it's it's a nigga who fucking Wait, finally showing his ass. Shaking ass out of him. But the thing is, it's like your favorite rappers, rapper, nigga, can't even do what this nigga just did, bro. He dropped three fucking albums. Yeah. It's like it was like this nigga wasn't just uh what is it, home tucked, like a lot of people believed in the fetal position, fucking crying his eyes out because of what happened to him. It's like, no, this nigga was out here working. He was working and he gave us three fucking albums. And not just, he gave it, and it was for everybody.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_16He gave hip hop heads their album, he gave RB heads their album, he gave fucking uh uh the the new niggas, the the young niggas fucking their album. Like he he targeted every single audience and that's why that nigga for sure he is one of the greats. I don't agree with the statement that was made earlier by Mr. Franciscito Lee.
SPEAKER_04No, he's the GOAT. Oh nah you bugging. All right. Here's my here's I have one question and one question only. If you can name another person that can do this, I will retract my statement.
SPEAKER_16You pick me.
SPEAKER_04No, see pick me another rapper.
SPEAKER_16We gotta get through the at least another week or two of listening to this album.
SPEAKER_04You haven't heard the question. Pick me another rapper. Not fuck that. Pick me another artist who could drop not one, not two, but three albums at the same exact moment. Do double disc uh count. I'll count a double disc and another album, but all three have to be dropped at the same moment, right?
SPEAKER_16I got you next week's podcast.
SPEAKER_04And switch and there and literally, and no, no, no, listen, it's three, three, three separate things, right? I'll give I'll count a double disc as two if you want, but three separate things that people are gonna listen to, all three of them, and not get bored at some point. Because they're not gonna, it's is and why why do I bring up the board point? Because with Drake, you just said it. You just made the point. That's why I that's why I'm going GOAT. I never went GOAT before this moment. I never went GOAT before this moment, but this this is a GOAT moment because what he did. Look, I love J. Cole. I love listening to J. Cole rap. If J. Cole gave me three albums in one night, I'd be like, bro, like, I love you, but like he gave us mixtape and an album.
SPEAKER_16Technically, he did. He gave us, what is it? A mixtape? Uh nigga. You can't double discount.
SPEAKER_06Because that was like other niggas beats and shit like that. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_16Nah, my point is. That's what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_04Get I'm talking about three separate projects.
SPEAKER_16Nah, you can't say that because at the end of the day, if by the time we get through the fucking three albums. No, it's true. That's
SPEAKER_04I'm saying it as a nigga who has gotten through all three albums multiple times. The goat of what? Doesn't matter. Oh no. There's no rapper. I'll tell you what pick whatever you want. You want it to be rap? Let's do it rap. Tell me a rapper. But all three albums isn't all just rap. But that's what that's my point. Give me a rapper who's gonna give me three albums at the same time, and it's gonna be received like this. That no that we're gonna be like, okay, like, okay, uh, three albums from this guy. I'm excited to get three albums from one guy, from what at one time from this guy. Name him. Jay-Z could tell me, I haven't heard Jay-Z since God knows when. If Jay-Z told me in June, I'm dropping three albums, I'll be like, my brother, like, just give me the one. I need the one. Give me the one. I need it. Appreciate you. Thanks. Jay-Z.
SPEAKER_16But it would have to be an artist that could do what Drake does. That could bucket. But that's my point. Exactly. So then there's Bad Bunny. Benito could do it.
SPEAKER_04Benito's not giving me three albums in one night.
SPEAKER_16No one knew Drake was gonna give us three albums. He did it in the end. But he did it.
SPEAKER_04Okay, but that's- And why did he do it? Because he's the only one who could.
SPEAKER_16If if niggas start now dropping three albums, then yeah, I then I'll go like, okay, he's the GOAT. Okay. But the thing is that because at the end, now he's he started a new fucking trend.
SPEAKER_04So niggas could niggas could do it. Niggas could do it. Yeah. Let me tell you, here's my point. How good is Chris Brown? How good is Chris Brown? Chris Brown's one of the greatest artists we've had ever. What has been the knock on Chris Brown? His last couple projects. People could say, they're too fucking long. They're too fucking long. He keeps making the same song over and over and over. 20 songs, 30 songs, like he's doing too much, he's doing too much. People get bored. They get bored, as good as he is, and his music is good. And that's the thing. I listen when he dropped a 30-song project. I listened to all 30. They be 20 plus great songs on these projects. But niggas get bored.
SPEAKER_16And I get that. But the thing is, it's like you can't say. Because if at the end of the day, by the by that standard, a nigga could drop three trash ass albums, and then there's a that's not the standard, though.
SPEAKER_04Huh? I'm not saying trash. No, but that's what I'm saying. That's what we mean. Anybody can do anybody can drop three albums if they want to. I'm not saying anybody can't do it. Anybody can do it. So tomorrow somebody can say, I'm dropping three albums tomorrow. Okay, great. But are you gonna do it like this? Because he's saying, like, so name me somebody who could do this.
SPEAKER_06A nigga that could drop three formidable bodies of work.
SPEAKER_04Formidable bodies of work, three fucking albums that could stay, that if any one of those was the only album he dropped, people would have gone and ran and jumped to it like that. But he dropped three of those motherfuckers at one time.
SPEAKER_16So yeah, I don't think Benito could do it.
SPEAKER_06No, that's the only one I think.
SPEAKER_16No, it's uh it's he's done it already separately. He has not done that, though. He gave us a hip-hop album. He gave us one of them slow jams we gave.
SPEAKER_04One time?
SPEAKER_16No.
SPEAKER_04Yes, one time. I'm talking about at on one night, May 15th, we got three albums from one guy. And that's what I'm saying. No one's done it. That point is. Also, also, limited features. You can name Drake features from this album on one hand. If Benito does it, we get him features. And don't, let's let's be real. We're not getting features? If he does that, he we're not getting features. Yeah, but there's also We get in mad features.
SPEAKER_16This nigga got a couple of Hella features. He has like eight people on this album that are featured.
SPEAKER_04He has Future, he has 21, he got Molly Santana, he got Stunner, no Stunner's on the other album.
SPEAKER_06He got Stunner Girl, he got sexy red, sexy red, um Central C Central C somebody's name Cadressa, whatever the fuck that shit says.
SPEAKER_16Lo Shimmy, Party Next Door. Oh, P and D, I forgot about him. Stunner Sandy, Hopkan. That's the one icon savvy. These are all people, it's like it's not to the it's not to say that.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, but who are these people though? Do you listen to Lo Shimmy? No, I don't know who's a little bit of a little bit of Stunner Sandy. I don't know who's a little bit more. Do you listen to Molly Santana? No. Benito's not doing that with people we don't listen to. But the thing is, is like, whether he has like, because the nigga has listened I love Bad Bunny too, and I I respect that he's not doing it.
SPEAKER_16All right. And uh no one's apparently nobody's doing it, because it's like he's the Drake is the only one that's done it so far.
SPEAKER_04No, but I mean it who can do it. That's what I'm saying. Well, you first of all, I'm and I'm saying goat. I'm saying goat off of this. This is his GOAT moment because nobody's going to do it. Bad Bunny's not gonna do it.
SPEAKER_16I love Bad Bunny, he's not gonna do it. But that we're we're speaking in hypothetical. It's like because at the end of the we don't know what I will I'd bet my life on it.
SPEAKER_04Bad bunny's not doing it.
SPEAKER_16Nah, but so he's not doing it. I don't think so either. Why he's not doing it. Can he do it?
SPEAKER_04I think if he freaking goes and again, even if he does, what what are the three albums gonna be? So trap is one, and then his pop shit is the other one, and then what? He's gonna give us a whole Sasa album?
SPEAKER_16Nah, he has shit that he goes, so goes into his bag of fucking being all melancholy, like RBS. That's what I'm talking about. That's the pop shit. Uh huh.
SPEAKER_06That's what he's saying. So it's it'll be.
SPEAKER_16No, but but pop shit is like, for example. The melodical like he could do like a whole Drake did a fucking techno, a rap, and according to what I hear, because I haven't gotten through the whole thing. But it's like a rap, a techno, and a RB. It's like Benito got his uh uh uh freaking trap. He got his freaking like yo perreo solas and freaking all that kind of shit, which are club bangers that he could do a whole album of because he has those hits, and then he could do freaking uh uh uh some shit related to like I don't know, some shit of fucking to the same nature of uh that I don't know off the top of my head I can't remember right now, but he could do fucking uh like an RB esque in Spanish fucking album. He has fucking slow songs. It's not to say that he's gonna do it. We all know no one's gonna do it.
SPEAKER_04He has slow songs, but we're talking about a whole album. Like, it's different when you're doing when you're working on one album and it's like, yo, I wanna put like I wanna have this vibe on my album. So you do two or three songs in that vibe. To do a whole album in a vibe, you gotta do like 15 songs. So we're saying, like, Benito's gonna do 15 songs in that slow vibe and cut it down to like 11 or 12.
SPEAKER_16But it's like his uh not all his albums, like I said, it's like he has albums here like uh the the trap shit, that was but that like that's its own shit. That's all trap. The David Tirarmas Photo, that's like nothing he's freaking dropped in the past couple of years. The ultimo tour there, whatever the fuck, that shit have fucking literally like some we that shit. I think out of all the albums he's dropped, it's like it was the the like it was the most like uh not well received, but it would he dropped, he jumped into another bag. That's the one that fucking he dropped uh shit with Rosalia.
SPEAKER_04It's a good album, though. I think I I like that album. No, I'm not saying that.
SPEAKER_16I'm just saying it's critically, it wasn't as critically equipped, but it's like I'm just saying, I think Benito could do it. He is he gonna do it? No. But but he has the back.
SPEAKER_04How does that but I'm saying, how does that refute the argument when Drake just did it?
SPEAKER_06It's not uh I'm not saying I think Bad Bunny could definitely do two. So he could definitely do the two. If that's the malignant, I would never argue that. I would think that third job.
SPEAKER_04I would never argue that Bad Bunny couldn't do two. I think that third jump. I think Bad Bunny could do two, and I think Bad Bunny will do two at some point, especially now after this Drake shit and whatever. I think he's because I uh fuck fuck the success of the whatever. I think once Benito sees the aftermath of this shit, I'm talking about the money and like the streams and the whatever. I think he's too, he's too fucking smart to not do this shit. He's gonna be like, bro, if I can, I I'm one of the few people that can probably do something like this, he's gonna do it. He's gonna probably give us like a double disc at some point, and one of the discs is gonna be, even though he says he's not going back to the trap or whatever, so he would have to go back to the trap to do this, but I think we'll get like one disc that's like trap, old Benito type shit, and then another disc that's more like De Vitira Ma Foto type shit, the melodic shit, the pop songs, the salasa, maybe a bachata, whatever the fuck I'm at inget, who cares? Like, I think we'll get both together. I think, yes, two for sure. Two for sure. Three?
SPEAKER_16The thing is, I haven't gotten through all three Jake's albums. I got through one and half of the other one. It's like once I get to uh what is it? Uh made of what? Made of Honor? Made of Honor. It's like once I get through that one and I see what the hell that's about, it's like then I'll see if they like like what is it that the what's the two because I'm just going based off what I've heard so far, and it's true. Uh Iceman compared to uh the diabetes or whatever the shit is called. Habibi. Yeah.
SPEAKER_06Diabetes is crazy.
SPEAKER_16Habibti. Yeah, it's like yeah, it's two different.
SPEAKER_04It means like uh your loved or something like that, or like my love or like beloved.
SPEAKER_16It's like it's two different albums for sure. And it's like once I got some, but the thing is, it's like, I don't know. Let me look it up.
SPEAKER_04I feel like my bibti is is RB. My whole point is like Madeira's the pop shit, and then the Iceman is the rap.
SPEAKER_16To say that a nigga, because he dropped three albums, is the GOAT. Granted, that is GOAT.
SPEAKER_04It's not just because I'm saying this that's the GOAT moment. His whole career in front of that, with that on the top, goat. In anything. Rap, pop, artist. I don't and my argument for that is name me another nigga that can do that. And I don't, I don't think, I don't think anyone can. Like you bring up Bad Bunny, I think Bad Bunny is the closest anyone's ever gonna get to it, and I still say two, not three. Two.
SPEAKER_16Hell yes, two. I think Drake is the the greatest artist of all time. Oh my love, it means. I think Drake is the greatest artist of all time. I don't think he's the greatest hip-hop artist of all time at all.
SPEAKER_04Name me another hip-hop artist who could do it. Uh huh. 50. Listen, you love 50. 50 dropped three albums in a night, niggas listening to one.
SPEAKER_16No, that's a fact.
SPEAKER_04Jay-Z, again, Jay-Z, who's obviously greater than 50, depend, like it, like it's stylistically, if you know you might not a lot of people shit on Jay-Z. I don't know why, but whatever. That's fine. Jay-Z dropped three albums, niggas listening to one. To one.
SPEAKER_16Yes, it's a fact. But that it's the same thing.
SPEAKER_04But also, he's not doing three just all because of output. Like, Jay-Z's not that, he's not that type of artist. Like the output, he doesn't do that.
SPEAKER_16Yeah, but that's the thing. It's like, granted, he dropped the three albums. But the thing is, is like, not everybody's gonna listen to all three of Drake's albums and like all three. It's like, because that's what I'm saying. It's like, if we go based off that, he dropped three albums and the whole world is listening to all three, but that's what's happening. Right now, yes, because everybody wants to know what the hell's going on.
SPEAKER_04And I'm saying the other person that's gonna make people do that.
SPEAKER_16I nigga, if Bad Bunny drops some shit right now, everybody would jump. Every, not every thing is all three. All Spanish niggas is gonna jump because it's Bad Bunny. Just off that strength, it's like three out three albums? Yes, I'll be the first one there to try to listen to it. It's like, I want to hear what the hell he has to say. I doubt it.
SPEAKER_04It's that's just me. I doubt I doubt two, yes, two for sure, because I know he's giving me, he I know he can give me two vibes really fucking well. Three, that to me, that's what makes Drake, who Drake it, that's what makes him a unicorn. Three is nuts. Like this shit is who's who's doing that? That's and that's my question. It's like to be able to do what he's done all the way up to this point is one thing. And before this, I would I was not saying I would never I would never have said he was the goat, just because I was like, I mean, there's arguments here. Like, I mean, like, I don't know which one is the classic, what's this, like what and and then to me is like you didn't have your goat moment yet, in my opinion. I'm like, you just didn't have it to do this after everything, and then have this three straight three fucking albums one fucking time, the fucking rollout, everything, it's like, yeah, man, like that's I don't I don't know anybody who's do I don't know anybody else who can do that. I don't know anybody else who could do that. I'd love to see Benito try, but I think I think there's another I think there's another avenue that Bad Bunny would have to unlock fully. I'm not saying that he hasn't, because again, saying that, oh, he's done other things, yeah, he's done other things. He's done other it's sure. Like, but like you're talking about a whole album. Like, he has salsas. Can he give us a whole album of salsa?
SPEAKER_16We don't know, because we didn't know Drake had a whole techno album, uh, the whole techno bag until he dropped an album. And apparently everybody loves it. It's like, and everybody says that that shit is one of the most amazing albums, but I don't agree. And again, it's like all of this shit is all opinions and fucking uh guessing. And it's true. What he did, yes, that moment solidifies that, yo, you are the greatest at doing what you do. That moment solidifies that. My argument is to say that this nigga is the goat of hip-hop. I don't agree with that.
SPEAKER_04But you can't name somebody in hip-hop that can do that. The other two albums already. I'm saying you can disagree, but you can't, if you can't name another person. That could drop three albums, it's I'm not going based off. I'm just talking about So name me another artist. Name me another hip-hop artist that can do this. That's what I'm saying. That could drop three albums. The reason that I'm saying you said I'm saying anything is because you can say hip-hop, fine. So name me another hip-hop that can do, name me another hip-hop artist that can drop these three albums.
SPEAKER_16But if they drop another album that's not hip-hop, that's not hip-hop. So why would I consider those albums?
SPEAKER_04But that's but then that's my point. That's my whole point, is that he is he is uh he is the one guy in the world that is looked at that can be viewed as a hip-hop artist, that can be viewed as a pop star, that can be viewed as whatever the fuck you want to look at him as, and just did this shit where he dropped all three of them. And find you can't, and in my opinion, you can't find someone in any of those genres that can do that. That's why I'm saying he's the GOAT. Because I'm like, if you want to say hip-hop, say hip hop. You want to say pop, say pop. Like, in pop, you got Beyonce. Beyonce dropped a country album, Beyonce is an RB person, she's also has pop songs or whatever. Beyonce, it's some people will hear that and be like, oh, Beyonce could do it. Can she? Okay, cool. If that's what you think, okay. Same thing with B with Bad Bunny. If that's what you think, okay, cool. I don't I don't agree. I don't agree.
SPEAKER_16The thing is that this argument is based off, uh that's why I keep saying. Based off, it has can anyone do it? We don't know. Uh no one's done it except for him. So it's like based off that argument, yes, he is the goat. My thing is, it's like to go and consider him the GOAT based off two other albums that are not hip-hop. It's not based off of those albums, though.
SPEAKER_04It's based, I'm saying this is the moment you chose hip-hop. I didn't choose hip-hop, you chose hip-hop. So, if we talk about choose hip-hop, I'm saying, okay, so true hip-hop. So give me another hip-hop artist that can do that. But then you're bringing up the point, oh, but the other two albums aren't hip-hop. Again, that's my point. That this hip-hop artist also has the ability to do those two other albums that are not hip-hop and still be the hip-hop artist. So if we're staying in hip-hop, then give me the other hip-hop guy who could do it. Give me the raise me the Kanye West, raise me the J. Cole, whoever, pick anybody down the line from the beginning. They can't do it. That could jump into other genres? That can give me three albums of them, not jump into anybody can jump into other genres. We've talked about it. Niggas jump into other genres all the time. Three full albums of other genres? That, but that's what I'm doing.
SPEAKER_06Successfully? Who? But I think we gotta talk about like so you gotta talk about artistry because it's like so it's like you can't say he, like you can't say it's limited to hip-hop, and then he's saying, yeah, but Drake is dropping in other genres. You just have to talk about artistry, like greatest artist of all time or not. That's why I said he is the greatest artist of the street. So if you say he's the greatest artist of all time, but I think there are hip-hop artists that do hip-hop better than him, then I could accept that. But if you're talking about the greatest artist of all time, I don't I do I don't think he could be compared to another hip-hop artist when he can do this and other artists can't. But I think what you're saying is in hip-hop, I don't think I don't think he does hip-hop better than other hip-hop artists. Yeah, and that's my point. And to that, I don't think, I don't think you can say, yeah, but he also makes uh dance records and stuff like that, because then that's not hip-hop. But I think what C is saying is just greatest artists of all time generally. Like any other artist in any genre can't can't do it. I guess I don't know.
SPEAKER_04I'm saying goat, and I'm saying if you want to pick, if niggas at goat of what, I'm like, anything. And if you want to pick, say, oh, but not hip-hop, why not hip hop? Find me another hip-hop artist who can drop the hip-hop album while simultaneously dropping two other albums in these other, what's it called? Dropping uh simultaneously dropping two other freaking projects in the same genre, if you want, or other genres, I don't care, that will be like this, that will be similar to this. And I don't know the name, I don't know the name of that guy. I don't know the name of that artist. It might not be a guy who might be a woman, I don't know, but I don't know the name of that person right now that can do that. That's that's again, this is you talk, we're talking about three, three full-length projects, like it's it's it's it's the the amount of work, the amount of talent that comes into that, that's that's where I'm at again. I was not I was not on the bandwagon of oh Drake is the GOAT before this, but this moment here, to me, and my this solidifies that. Like, unless, again, unless and until somebody else can do this, or do it even better, or do something that we're not even fucking thinking about, like some new shit that I'm like, okay, that's that person's goat moment, and that goat moment to me is better than this moment, so this guy is the goat. Which is not impossible, because again, I didn't expect Drake to do this, so who knows what the next nigga's gonna do that I'm not expecting them to do. But I'm saying as of right now, in this moment, nobody else has done this. To me, he's the goat.
SPEAKER_16No, and I get it.
SPEAKER_04It's like when Jordan, at the point at the point where Jordan was, like to me, Jordan was the goat, whatever. Now people argue, oh, but LeBron and the numbers and whatever. It's like, okay, okay. But at the time that Jordan retired after that sixth ring, like when niggas said he was the goat, what was what was the argument?
SPEAKER_16Well, that's where I was going next. I was like, so then according to sports, then in the end, by by those metrics, then what LeBron has done, because he's achieved more and he's done more than what the fuck Jordan has done, then at the end of the day, by that means he's the goat. And it's like at the end of the day, it's like it's always like for me, it's always gonna be one of those things that it's like whether because I feel like all this talk about goats or whatever, and then once you look at the numbers, then yeah, the numbers speak for themselves. But then again, when you look, but then when you add time, it's like that's what I think. All this shit is just fucking opinion-based, and it's like it's it's just whatever the hell you you you feel and you perceive. But it's like, because in the end, well, who the fuck, nigga? I for me, nigga, if I go and I say 50 Cent is the goat, nigga. Ain't nobody in this world that's gonna tell me 50 Cent is not the goat. Just like if you talk to me, Sile and be like, yo, Drake is the goat, be like, I don't know, J. Cole. And he's I don't fucking argue till he turns blue in the face that it's J. Cole. But the thing is, is like, yeah, when you go based off numbers or whatever, my whole thing is I get what you're saying. I clearly understand. Artistry and hip hop is a part of being an artist, it's is a part of the art. Yes, he is the goat. But now, when I'm talk, when I talk about goat, when you talk about, when I'm talking about hip hop and shit like that, what I'm talking about is like bar for bar and going, it's like, go, like, it's not that Drake isn't one of the GOATs. That's the shit that I also don't I want people to understand. That nigga's lyrical skills is fucking amazing. Producing fucking music, uh, uh, a hip-hop song, a hip-hop album, whatever the fuck, that nigga's a beast. It's like there's no denying it. What I'm saying is, it's like, does this solidify him as the GOAT? It's like uh uh better than fucking uh uh a Jay-Z, better than fucking Michael Jackson, better than it's like possibly. But we also gotta see how that shit tested, uh goes through time. It's like right now, nigga, that shit just came out today. It's like we gotta, well, month Friday for those listening to the pod. But the thing is, it's like we we gotta we like I don't know. To me, I can't say yet, oh, this shit is like he's the GOAT, based on like all based on just my first list and not seeing how that shit reacts in the street, how that shit, because I feel like at the end of the day, the streets is the one that dictate what the hell is uh how the hell this shit moves next. Because right now there's a lot of hype, but if the shit dies down in the next week or two, then at the end of the day, it's like you just dropped another album that kind of at the end of the day did its numbers and did what it had to do, but it's like Then it died. It's not to take away from your artistry. It's not to take away, but that's right for me to go.
SPEAKER_04But if it dies in a couple, like every album dies now. Like David Marfotos is dead now.
SPEAKER_16Yeah.
SPEAKER_04Does that mean it was a bad album? But that's bad bunny's greatest album.
SPEAKER_16We gotta let time fucking But what is time gonna change about it?
SPEAKER_04That's what I'm saying. Like I disagree with that completely. I don't give a fuck what the streets have to say, to be honest. Like that's my opinion. Like, so I don't really care if a week from now niggas is like, oh, this shit is like Joe Budden's podcast is gonna come out tomorrow. He's gonna review the album. I don't care what Joe Budden has to say about the album. Like, he's gonna have his thoughts. God bless him. And people are gonna go off of that. A week from now, it's not gonna change the way that the album sounds to me right now. Because a week from now, the only thing that's gonna change, I'm gonna have a bunch of other people's opinions in my head. But like my opinion is based off of me listening to these three albums several times since they've come out. That's why I'm at where I'm at. But I feel like if we go like, oh, we don't know how it's gonna, nothing. What do you mean we don't know? Like Bad Bunny's last album is his greatest fucking album, and that shit is dead right now. Does that it doesn't mean it doesn't make it a bad album? The streets ain't talking about that album right now. But that's not a bad album, it's a great album. It's his great, in my opinion, it's his greatest album. Niggas don't care about it right now.
SPEAKER_16But that's the thing. It's like, ain't nobody talking about like, oh, I'm gonna wait until to see what the hell this like what people's opinion. I don't give a fuck about people's opinion.
SPEAKER_04No, but you said the streets will dictate like what happens.
SPEAKER_16So it's like when you go to a barbecue, it's like, okay, we're at a barbecue. It's not the fact that, oh, everybody loves. It's like, hey, let's see how people react when the song comes on. It's like I've said before, music fucking, uh uh, you remember a moment in time. If music at the end of the day, that it's not, and that's my opinion. It's like music fucking, you like when you play music and you you listen to a song, you remember, it's like, yo, like, for example, there's certain songs that once that shit plays, and I use the Meek Mill uh uh Dreams and Nightmare. Every time that shit comes on, niggas lose their goddamn mind. It's like it's not the it's not a matter of like, oh, this song, uh like people's opinion and what like people's to me, people's opinion don't mean shit. Because at the end of the day, like right now, we're arguing. You're saying that Drake is the GOAT. It's like you could turn, you could tell me to you uh you turn blue in the face. It's like for me, Drake is not the goat. And that opinion is not gonna change. And it's not to discredit the work that he's done, and it's not to say that my opinion matters more than anybody else's. My thing is it's like can the can this music also like it later on? It's like it was uh uh because also like not like us, not like us for the past two years has been running crazy. We're not like us today. Dead. It's like so at the end of the day, it's the same thing. That it's like there are songs out there, because why the fuck does the white people shit fucking uh uh uh what's this song called? That uh that that shit was fucking playing everywhere for fucking years. That uh it was I don't know what that little girl's name is, but it was like uh Havana or na na. Nigga, that shit went crazy, nigga. That shit nigga for a couple years, nigga was non-stop. And it's like granted, whether it lasts two weeks, three weeks, what?
SPEAKER_06What's her name? Camilla Camilla Camilla, something like that, right? I think.
SPEAKER_16But it's like that song, it's like that's what I mean. It's like, yo, there are certain songs, nigga, that are so fucking iconic. There are certain out, nigga, uh, like for example, you go to nigga, me, I don't like Taylor Swift. But you go up against a Taylor Swift fan, nigga, they'll tell you she's the GOAT and they'll nigga, I don't think you none any of us could beat one of them, nigga.
SPEAKER_04Oh no, I'll shut them the fuck up. Because you can name a bunch of Taylor Swift songs. Oh my god, this song is great. I'll name a Drake song to battle any of those. That's what I'm saying. If if if if that again, that's why I say it's not, I'm not saying it j I'm saying it after this three album moment, but it is a culmination of everything that came before. Because again, that's what I'm saying. What happens with these three albums, plus what everything happened before, Drake has those songs that have stood the test of time already. He doesn't have one, he doesn't have two, he doesn't have three, he doesn't. I I don't know how many of those he has. He has a bunch that they come on. Look, and some of them I don't even like like started for the bottom, never been my shit like that. That song goes up. Headlines, I don't like that song like that. That song goes up over any. That's one of the that's that's one of the ones I do like. Whenever I hear that, I'm like, damn, that should take me back to 2009. That shit, whatever. Best I ever had. Um, what's it called? Um Find Your Love. Uh, what's the one? Um Dance, more than the day then the then you got the whole dance hall vibe, whatever, which again I like, but I don't love. But again, the one dance, the shit. Like he he's I mean, bro, he's got a bunch of passion fruit, brother. Then then you got some some of the some of the newer age shit that I really ain't whatever, but what did I say? His shit with um Nokia? What's this nigga? No, Nokia is one of them, but no, no, no, I'm talking about the shit with uh Cardi, Playboy Cardi, or whatever. People love that. I don't like Playboy Cardi, so like that kind of ruins it for me. But like, bro, like there's mad of them shits that people like, oh my god, what did they react to? He got that already. Okay, so to that point He has that already.
SPEAKER_16That's what I'm that's what I'm looking for.
SPEAKER_04But he doesn't need why does he need that from these? Why does he need that from these?
SPEAKER_16He doesn't need it. That's my point is it we're arguing But that's what you're saying. We're arguing the GOAT, that's why I said the whole GOAT thing. I want to see that. I want to see that yo, there's a song on like a couple songs on this album that when nigga were like, yo, like when you when we sit down here and we're like, yo, uh, I don't know, yo, 50 got uh uh you not like me. It's like, oh really? Well, Drake got freaking uh what did I miss? It's like and nigga, we're going back and forth. It's like uh uh like that's what I mean. It's like let's see how this like how this shit is it fucking ends up. I don't know. For me, that's the way I feel.
SPEAKER_04I'm saying he has those already, and then he did this. That's why I think he's the GOAT now. Because like he's done all of that already. He's got the songs that have stood the test of time, he's got the number one albums, he's got the streaming records, he's got the sold-out tours, he's got the collab albums, he's got the merch, he's got the all the other shit. Like to me, he's got he has had all of that. To me, the one thing was missing was the moment. Like the moment. And Drake has had moments that people will point to, or whatever. Like, I've spoken to people, whatever, that big fans of Drake, and they'd be like, oh, but he did this, he did that. I'm like, yeah, whatever. But to me, like, those weren't GOAT moments, like they were nice, they were big moments. He's had big moments, like the Meek Mills shit with back to back, that was a huge moment. Shout out, okay, cool. But that wasn't it for me. That wasn't it, that was one song. So to me, it's like, and it's great. I love back to back. That's another song. If that shit comes on today, I'm rapping that shit word for word and I'm hype, but it's one song. He was missing that moment to me. That moment came Thursday night for me. Watching episode four of Iceman, realizing he's dropping three albums, then going and listening to those three albums, then waking up today, going through those three albums again, and then coming into the evening, listening to the three albums again, and saying, Fuck. Like this motherfucker just dropped three fucking complete fucking albums, three different fucking vibes, solid fucking albums each one. Iceman is the fucking all rap album that we've been fucking clamoring for all these years. He fucking did it and he did it fucking well. Like, I'm like, okay, this is it. Like, you did it, you did it. Shouts out to you. And he's not done. And he's not done. He'll keep doing other shit or whatever. But I don't know, I don't know. I mean, something else will have to happen, in my opinion, for him to have a moment that surpasses this moment right here. This is some different shit. And that's another thing about it too. That's what makes I feel like anybody who's ever been considered a goat, they did something different. And this is this is that. This is this is different. We've never seen this before. This has never happened before. So to me, all of that in conjunction with everything he's done before that, that's why I'm saying he's the goat. That's where I'm at. And before we get to three hours, I think we should close this bitch up. Because it's like 2 40.
SPEAKER_16Just negative. Now we're about to continue arguing about this gold topic. I'm about to forget we potted.
SPEAKER_04Like KRS won in 1990. Yeah, we'll holla at y'all, man. We obviously we didn't even talk about the other two albums like that, like that. But let's, I mean, hopefully. Next week, next week. Yeah, hopefully, like Momo will come back and like, cause I know Momo's, I don't think like Momo will like Iceman, but he ain't gonna like Iceman as like he's gonna like the other vibes. He's gonna like the other vibes more. Like, so like it's I think it kind of works out. Like, okay, we do the Iceman review like here, because like that's not really like his bag, bag like that. Like, I think the other shit will be more his bag, so let him get his shit off with Habibti and Maid of Honor. And yeah, well, holla at child, man. This has been episode 29. Iceman is here. Freeze the world, baby. We out. Yes, sir.