SPEAKER_01 0:01

All right, longtime friend and friend to the channel, Larry Mazza is back on Serious Outcast. I am back to doing what people want to do, which is organized crime, bikers, adult film stars. Because apparently my other stuff I tried to pull in a legitimate and a respectful YouTube channel, and nobody wanted to see it. So we're back to doing what I'm good at.

SPEAKER_02 0:24

Well, I like it. You know what? People love to hear all this stuff. So it's unbelievable.

SPEAKER_01 0:29

Yeah, really. I tried, I really did try, and I was like, you know what? Fuck it. Why am I going against the grain here? So you have your own YouTube channel, Larry Maz, which I subscribe to. And you sent me a video. You sent me you interviewing uh Greg Scarper Jr., who did 33 years in jail, I believe. Yes. Uh, and you guys have been friends since the 1970s, if I'm accurate. That's correct. Yes, since the 1970s. So while I'm after I watched the video, it was a really good interview, too. You guys really got into the old days. People, I'll put the I'll put the link in the uh description so people can go and watch it. Because it really got into the old school, old world, Joe Colombo, Persico, uh 1970s, 1980s, uh, organized crime in Brooklyn and Staten Island. It was a really good interview. And then I'm coming across, you know how like your algorithm it puts gives you other videos that you might like. And I come across this one interview, uh, The Millennials Choice. I never heard of them, but they may be a relatively new video, a new YouTube channel. And they have Greg Scarpa Jr. on. And the title was The Feud Between Larry Mazer and Greg Scarpa Jr. So I immediately messaged you and I said, What feud? You you just did a video of you guys, and and you also interviewed his sister, Debbie, right?

SPEAKER_02 1:53

Yes, there's gonna be about six parts. Oh right now, uh part one of each is out, Greg first, and then Debbie. Uh and those were done quite a while ago.

SPEAKER_01 2:04

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 2:05

When Gregory, you know, pretty much first came home. Uh we we hooked him up with my producer, they got paid very well, and we were gonna save that for either season three or if we had gone on to do some other things together, which we had plans to do. Uh, but because of that ambush from Millennial Choice, who made themselves the Jerry Springer of podcast now, that was stupid. Uh they caused this feud. They ambushed me, and and I'm never gonna not answer. I've never initiated any problems with anybody, I never start trouble, but I will never run away from it.

SPEAKER_01 2:46

I can vouch for that. I can 100% vouch for that. You and me have been friends since I started. So, for people who don't know, um, when I first started my channel and decided I wanted to uh uh interview uh guys from from the life from the from organized crime, you were the first guy I reached out to. And just for people to know what kind of guy you are, um uh as soon as I mentioned that I was from your neighborhood, Bensonhurst, you said, no problem, I'll come on, you got it. You're from the neighborhood, no problem. And I even offered to pay you, and you said, No, no, no, I don't take money. Um, you said uh you're from the neighborhood, uh, I just want to give back. And I was like, All right, great. And we've been friends ever since. Yes. So that's the type of guy that you are, that's the type of guy that I've experienced you as a as a person, as a man. So I don't so explain where this feud and millennial choice and Greg Scarpetu, where did it all how did this all start?

SPEAKER_02 3:38

Well, I'll get to that. I just want to sell something about the money. Whenever people have paid us for podcasts, I never asked for money because, like you said, giving back, and I'm also promoting my book in my life. I'm promoting myself. Yeah so that's better than the few hundred bucks somebody's gonna give me. When they do give it to me, we have three charities. One of them is the the kid St. Thomas, St. Jude, okay, one of them is uh animals, and one of them is tunnels to towers. We always donate to those three things. Wow, okay. But the $300 is not gonna change my life. I've become successful, I have some good businesses. Uh, but to get to your answer your question, what caused this feud, and he doesn't seem to bring it up ever. I don't know why. Is I gave him my RV. Okay, no strings attached. Okay, they can have it, they can live in it, him and his girlfriend, whatever. I was more than happy to do it.

SPEAKER_01 4:37

RV, you mean a mobile home, basically?

SPEAKER_02 4:39

A mobile home, yeah. Yeah, what have they? We remodeled the hole inside, it was beautiful, it still is beautiful. I mean, okay, you know. Uh but one night I get a call. Gregory is like frantic. He's telling me how his girlfriend went nuts, she was attacking him, and ultimately she stole the RV. That's what he said to me. So now I'm thinking to myself, this girl is out maybe on some kind of drugs, maybe drinking. She killed somebody with that RV. We're gonna get sued to death. So I was upset at that point.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

So it was still under your name.

SPEAKER_02 5:20

Yes, it was under our name. Yeah, but I brought it there, I drove it four hours and set it up for him to live in. Okay. I took a day out of my life to do that. I just drove it all the way over to uh to the west coast of Florida, okay, and set them up. At no time were they supposed to be driving that around. It wasn't even a thought. I mean, it's not an ease, it's like uh it's like trying to drive a truck if you never drove one before, a tractor trailer.

SPEAKER_00 5:45

Right.

SPEAKER_02 5:46

So I had two dear friends of mine that were about two hours up the coast, in the middle of the night, go down to try to help Gregory out. There was cops involved, there was all kinds of nonsense going on, and the RV is missing. So it winds up going through three counties before it gets located. Now they tell me the thing is trashed. Also, I'm not happy about that, but it wasn't gonna escalate to where it escalated until I get a call a few hours later or the next morning, whatever it is, that they made up. They kissed and made up, everything was okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:26

What happened to the RV?

SPEAKER_02 6:28

It could I don't even know. We just signed it over completely, it's out of our name now. But I had heard it was trash and it was garbage and all this nonsense. So but I don't, I don't know. That's they can live in it any way they want. They could have kept it nice if they want to live in trash, that's their problem, not money. But when I gave it to them, I could send you pictures of it beautiful, everything remodeled inside TVs, fireplace, you know, an electrical. Right anyway. So while we're talking, his girlfriend is in the background cursing us out for trying to have her arrested. I don't even think we said she stole it. I'm almost sure we didn't. We just said it was taken, it was missing.

SPEAKER_00 7:11

Right.

SPEAKER_02 7:11

Okay, we it had nothing to do with that, but she's in the background cursing, and she's taping the calls and all kinds of nonsense like this. So, long story short, I started answering back. Then me and Gregory started, and it got loud, and it got testy. We're both alpha males, we're not from that life anymore. You can see just what he said on our show. Okay, it's a horrible life. I'm glad I'm out of it. But the protocol's all different. I don't have to answer to anybody, him or anybody.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Right.

SPEAKER_02 7:43

Okay, he's Gregory, I'm Larry. There's no father, there's no scappy, there's no hierarchy. There's nothing. There's no right. So if we had an argument as men, that's life. Okay. I could have moved on from it, but it just got worse because she kept taping calls, making prank calls back to this went on for for weeks and weeks and weeks until I blocked everybody. She she blocked them all. She was making prank calls and just Yeah, not only to us, to other people in his in Gregory's family.

SPEAKER_01 8:12

I mean, it it uh this doesn't sound like it doesn't sound like she's driving on all eight cylinders.

SPEAKER_02 8:19

No, obviously not. He's saying he's he's the one that told me she was nuts. So at least a dozen people in his family have already reached out to me. Okay on my behalf, you know, telling me different things, and uh so I know I'm not wrong here as far as that, but it escalated and he comes out, he starts talking everything about me. I'm a liar, I'm this, I'm that. I'm so documented, okay, between newspapers and court records, and you name it, that the one one thing I'm not is a liar. Okay, there's nothing for me to lie about. Really? Why would I lie? Absolutely no reason, you know. And uh he says, My my whole book is fiction. How could he say that and not give detail that with the the part about Jimmy Angelina's fiction fiction, the part about Vicarina, uh the attempt on his life is fiction. When he he he had to hear that from us on a visit because he wasn't even out during the war, he was in prison.

SPEAKER_01 9:21

So, how is he talking about I remember that because he tells the story about how they tried to kill his father when he was in prison, and he said to whoever told him, now all of Brooklyn's gonna burn. So he was in prison during the war. Yeah, he was in prison. Yes, he was.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Yeah, and uh yeah, if he was out, he would have been right there with us. Don't get me wrong, but he wasn't so everything he heard he either got from my book or from my mouth on a visit. So was the Nikki Black hit fiction?

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 9:50

I mean, was Larry Lampese was that fiction? All these guys that we killed during the war, or was the shootout I had with Wild Bills guys and Joe Waverley? Was that all fiction?

SPEAKER_01 9:59

Well, first of all, okay, I don't mean to interrupt. First of all, uh I know for a fact that it's not fiction. One, because I'm from the neighborhood, that's number one, and number two, other guys on other organized crime channels talk about what happened, you and Nikki Black and so on and so forth. Sammy the Bull said the same exact story you said in your book and in other interviews about what happened outside the cab stand with the shotgun, so on and so forth. Verbatim. So I don't know, I don't know what did he give specifics as what he said was fiction, or it just said the whole book is fiction.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

That's what throws me off. Now, again, there's different things, and I say it all the time, I say it in my book. This is 50 years ago. We are definitely not all gonna remember everything exactly the same. Okay, and our superiors lie to us. Greg will tell me one thing, he'll tell Junior one thing, he'll tell Linda one thing, and he'll just tell Different whatever he wants them to know. Okay, so it's impossible for everything to be exactly accurate to everybody, otherwise, it's a script. They can say that in court. They they they if if two guys sit up there and say exact detail, exact means it's almost like they were told what to say, right? So, you know, discrepancies or things like that, and then you know, in a book, I may or not only me, any writer is gonna try to make it interesting and try to make it uh what's the word?

SPEAKER_01 11:32

Um boy, entertaining, entertaining, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 11:36

Yeah, so that goes without saying that you know there's there's certain parts of that that may be not not I don't even know what the word is. You just want to use the right adjectives, right? You know, I'm not saying enhance anything, but uh but lies, it's stupid.

SPEAKER_01 11:52

Why would I, you know, yeah, yeah, makes no sense. There's a there was a couple of other things that that he had mentioned, and correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm I'm I'm pretty sure if he had mentioned because I didn't watch the whole thing on Millennials Choice, but you helped him a great deal when he got out of prison with money, yeah, with the RV. And from what I understand, he said basically he was alluding to the fact that he didn't you didn't help him, that morning was owed to him.

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Yeah, he said that. And yeah, he said 200,000. He's wrong about that. It was 60,000 that I was paying juice on, okay, to his father. I paid that religiously every week from the day I met him through the war. We didn't even get a break during the war. We had to pay that juice every week, okay. But the truth of the matter is between Jimmy and I, we had 700,000 out there, okay? And I still have I still have the list of names. Yeah, and here's what happened while I was fighting my case, facing life. Jimmy was on the lamp, and we were originally getting about 3,000 each a week because we're paying somebody a thousand to run the business, too. Okay about six months in, it gets cut in half. Then a few more months goes by. Towards the very end, they sent me and Jimmy $180 each. They were trying, and I'll tell you who, his half-brother Joey, who's my godson, okay, and another guy that was under Greg, we'll call him Joe Tuna, they were going to steal my book. So what I did, because I didn't want Jimmy coming back, if he would have came back, he would have got pinched or hurt those two scumbags for robbing us, okay? And then he would have got pinched for that, too. Right, right. Okay, so he had no way out. So I suggest I forgave the loans. Because I'd rather the people that owed me the money hold it until I come home. It could be 18 years, it could be 15 years, it could be 25 years. I was working on a deal, you know, hopefully to cop out.

SPEAKER_00 13:55

Right.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

So I forgave the loans. And I did that to be spiteful because I wasn't gonna let them steal my money.

SPEAKER_01 14:05

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

So that's where that is. So, you know, that's that's that's a lie too. It was a lot more money, and uh all I owed Greg was 60 at the time.

SPEAKER_01 14:13

But I mean, uh we're talking 33 years ago, and we're also talking more than that. We're talking up, we're talking about a life that's b uh, you know, a lifestyle that's dead. You know, but there there are still guys that are out there, don't get me wrong, but the majority of the guys that are out there aren't guys that you grew up with or you knew or all those guys that are the dead are in jail. And to say that that money was owed to him from 33 years ago while you're from 50 years ago, Jesus Christ. Yeah, and you're just trying to help him. Do you think it's do you think uh because I was trying to think about why he would come out and say do you think there's any animosity?

SPEAKER_02 14:52

Because maybe it's his ego a little bit that I was helping him because he he you you let's just speak frankly, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:02

You turned state's evidence after you found out about Greg Scarper Sr. Yes, and you were able to get out after 10 years, and since then you have become very legitimately successful.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

Yeah, legit legitimate Larry.

SPEAKER_01 15:16

Yeah, we'll get to that. But you you have become very legitimately successful. You you have mob TV, you have your book, you have uh movie deals, you have your gym, uh, you're married to a beautiful wife, and you're making money. Do you think that there's any animosity that he kept his mouth shut, did 33 years, and he comes home to nothing?

SPEAKER_02 15:36

Absolutely, but it should have been targeted towards me. Okay, because I'm certainly not the I helped him while he was in financially, not major, you know. He can only spend 50 a month or whatever it was. So I sent them every couple of months, 200, whatever. When he came home, we got him a $25,000 deal with my producer. Okay, when we did that interview, it was about another $8,000. Wow. Okay. Before all of this happened, we got envelopes from the guys, probably another five or six thousand. And over the years, at least, at least another ten between me and Joe Paletto. So we you know, and listen, I didn't I didn't do that because I owed him anything. I genuinely felt horrible for what he went through. What his father did to all of us, and him to get 33 years, all those years in the hole, it hurt me. And I so I says, let me do whatever I, you know, out of the goodness of my heart. I didn't owe him anything, he doesn't owe me anything, but I did it for that reason and that reason only. And when they talk about the father, they keep trying to say, like, he had the FBI in his pocket. Oh bullshit. All you gotta do is read his final transcript in front of Judge Weinstein when he was getting sentenced. He was literally crying and saying, I thought I was gonna go home after all I did for this government. And Weinstein says, I can't send you home after what we did during the war. But he was literally crying to Judge Weinstein and admitted all he did for the government. Okay, there's no being half pregnant, right? I know I made a deal and I'm done, and that's fine. I'll do it again under the same circumstances, right? Like you said, once it came out that he was bad, I you know, Carmine Sessa, the whole crew, I would do it again. I'm supposed to go do life after that all happens, never happened. No way, right? I'm not that stupid, right?

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Exactly, exactly. So talk about this legitimate Larry nickname that apparently he said you had.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Yeah, well, it's funny because I got that nickname because I wouldn't do stupid things like the credit cards, for instance. These guys would go into stores, you know, with a credit card that had a Chinese name on it, like Wang Chen, and they try to pose themselves off as that being that person, and they get pinched. I mean, a lot of guys got pinched with the credit cards. I would only use it if I knew the store owner or the restaurant was in on it with me. If they knew, they know that I'm not Victor or whatever, right? Okay, but they know they're gonna get a nice big bill, a couple of bottles of Dom Perion, so they go along with it, they don't care.

SPEAKER_01 18:18

Yeah, right. They're gonna get paid no matter what.

SPEAKER_02 18:20

Right. So when I would question them about that, I even questioned Big Greg, you know, when he would use it to to pay for a hundred dollar meal. I says with risking a pinch for that, right? So one of the guys, I think it was Billy, look a legitimate Larry, like because I I wouldn't do that. I mean, I just felt I was above stupidity, right? Not gonna be stupid. So then another one came out, Laverne and Shirley. That's a funny thing. I'm in court, and it's this Joe Tuna again on the phone, and his phone is tapped, but he's smart enough not to use names, at least, thank God. He's talking about the old man and the other two. And the other guy on the phone says, uh, those other ones, he says, Yeah, yeah, yeah, Laverne and Shirley. The judge busted out laughing. The whole courtroom started laughing. It's the first time I ever heard that. Oh, that certainly wasn't me and Jimmy's nickname, okay? And I certainly, if not me, they ain't saying it to Jimmy's face. I can tell you that. Okay, because he's a meaner guy than me.

SPEAKER_01 19:17

Really?

SPEAKER_02 19:18

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I got a much softer side to me than Jimmy does, but that's okay. We're a good, we're a good team.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

And yeah, he uh and I was also called Do you realize how do you realize how like insane that sounds coming from a man that was so violent?

SPEAKER_02 19:35

I was also called skinny Larry when Fat Larry came around, and I was called um uh where'd my light go?

SPEAKER_01 19:44

Go ahead, take it.

SPEAKER_02 19:44

And I was called uh good-looking Larry. I never nicknamed myself that.

SPEAKER_01 19:49

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 19:49

Yeah, they'll never say that.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 19:52

They'll put out in the thing that I'm gay, I'm a liar, I ever they'll just say anything. They can say anything they want. But gay, I'll tell you right now, there's 2,000 girls I can call and let them see if I'm gay.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Well, who exactly said that you were gay?

SPEAKER_02 20:07

So it came up in one of the posts. I uh I don't know if you've seen any of the things.

SPEAKER_01 20:14

I did some snoop, I did some snooping around. He's a liar, he's gay, and um I don't know who this person is, but it was on Facebook, and the post is from uh Marie Perez.

SPEAKER_02 20:26

That's his girlfriend.

SPEAKER_01 20:27

Oh, that's Greg Scarpa Jr.'s girlfriend. And he has a picture of I guess I I don't I don't know. I'll put it up so people could see. And it says, While you're bragging about the one in the black, uh, he couldn't see you because he was sneaking with the one in the white.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

Yeah, I saw that one.

SPEAKER_01 20:47

Can you blame him for giving you scraps? Now she's talking about you?

SPEAKER_02 20:52

Yeah, well, because she's saying she knows I was sleeping with Linda. Okay, but she's saying the father, Greg, was sleeping with her best friend, Marianne, who's married to a good friend of ours. Well, friend of ours, a good friend, Jimmy, a different Jimmy, not my partner. All right, and whose brother was a good fellow with the Gambino family. So, I mean, what what is that proving that I'm sleeping with her and he's sleeping with the other friend? I mean, it's it's sick, it's stupid. I heard actually, I didn't actually see it. Somebody told me about that exact post because I don't see them, I'm blocked.

SPEAKER_01 21:26

Yeah, I could see it. So it says, Can't can can you blame him for giving you scraps, but he wouldn't have told either one of you that only reason you all didn't write that in your book together. So, first of all, her her grammar's horrible. Yeah, and then how funny he literally did that in her face, proved by pictures not lies, with the huge ass smile on his face. And then there was another post uh that I saw, and it says uh same thing, same person, Marie Perez, completely changed, and the you you oh oh she's talking about the Girl Michelle is completely changed, and they use that against him. Greg doesn't uh read anything about him or his father, so he is completely clueless on what lies are actually out there. But you know me, I will defend his father always. It bothers his kid's mom, and she is the sweetest and doesn't deserve what she went through and what uh then she says, Oh, like you said, through Laverne is always talking about her. I told her he was just mad at Junior for getting her when he secretly loved her. That's why he always screamed. What is she talking about? Like, yeah, I got a call on that one too.

SPEAKER_02 22:37

That he she's claiming Gregory Junior slept with Big Linda, and I was jealous of something. I really didn't see that.

SPEAKER_01 22:45

So she's claiming that Junior slept with his stepmother?

SPEAKER_02 22:48

That's what yeah. Well, yeah, his yeah. I I I I guess in a sense it's his stepmother, but uh definitely the half-sister and half-brother's mother. Big Linda, the one I was sleeping with.

SPEAKER_01 22:59

Yeah, so Greg Sr.'s girlfriend or wife, he's she's saying that Greg Jr. was also sleeping with her.

SPEAKER_02 23:07

But that's what I yes, that was told to me. And you and that I I heard about that post. I didn't see it.

SPEAKER_01 23:13

Yeah, it doesn't, you know what?

SPEAKER_02 23:14

I They call me every day with this nonsense, people.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Anytime, any, anytime you come on, I I I have to give my opinion on this. Um, between the RV uh the uh the and these posts, it doesn't sound like she's too credible to begin with.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

I I gotta agree a hundred thousand percent.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

No, because it's so and and and the way she's writing these posts, it's uh you know her grammar doesn't seem to to be and plus you know uh the view I saw there she's ranting and raving. But the scary part was And then she blamed and then she also blamed uh you guys for for calling the police and saying that she robbed the RV. It doesn't sound like she it doesn't sound like she's got both oars in the water. That's what it's it sounds like it really it doesn't.

SPEAKER_02 24:01

No, you know, there's something wrong. There's definitely something wrong, whether it's drugs or just uh some other problem, I don't know, but you know, we've had them at parties, we've had them over our house. Uh, you know, when I actually helped him refinance his car because he got robbed wherever he got his first car, he was paying 900 a month for the car. My friends brought it down to 500, and then he brought his girlfriend and we got her a car. I mean, I just couldn't do enough for the guy.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

So, you know, but listen, he's do you think do you think also, you know, listen, I I'm trying to think of every possibility. You think she's chirping in his ear?

SPEAKER_02 24:41

Oh, without a doubt, without a doubt, and also aside from that, she's taping phone calls. Okay, it says right on the phone when he was calling me, and we were trying to talk, and that's why I blocked him. It says Greg Jr. and a third party. They're telling me it's being taped, right?

SPEAKER_00 25:04

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 25:04

So why would I talk? So I I just that's when I blocked him. And the same thing happened to another friend of mine. He called him, I was sitting right there, and he starts bad mouthing me, but that's fine. But it is I told him, be careful. I pointed to the thing, the third party's on there.

SPEAKER_01 25:20

Yeah, it's it's it's it's a possibility because you know, women like this, and believe that there are a lot of women out there like this, um, could be very manipulative, could be very um uh toxic. I mean, this might be coming from her. I I'm just guessing.

SPEAKER_02 25:37

No, you're probably right, and she probably has what do you call it, visions of grandeur, like you know, with the maybe what they've got that movie coming out, maybe he's making more money on the Mark Warburg movie. I hope he does. I you know, but for what he told me, he didn't get paid enough, and I told him that, you know, when he was talking to me about it, and also I guess Linda got involved in it, and and they were both unhappy that each other's were involved in it, and and now they're in bed together, not literally, uh you know, just ambushing me every chance they get. So, and I again I'm gonna I want to make this clear. I never, even when I'm done here, I'm not gonna go anywhere and write bad things. I have nothing bad to say, but I'm going to answer every time something comes out that's derogatory or bullshit or childish, I'm gonna answer it.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Right.

SPEAKER_02 26:24

That's why I, you know, I'm glad we're doing this again.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

Good, good, good. Yeah, uh, and you know, you and I are friends, and you've been nothing but good to me. So you your my platform is going to be open to you for you for any anything you'd like. Now talk about this this movie. I know Mark Wahlberg is is doing a movie about his father.

SPEAKER_02 26:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:42

And so well you tried to help you from from what from what I understand, you tried to help him negotiate with some I didn't really get a chance.

SPEAKER_02 26:51

You know, I think he was he was very secretive about it. He, you know, I don't know, maybe thought I would try to, I don't even know what the word is, because I would have done nothing but gave him better advice. If he got paid, what he said he got paid, Mark Wahlberg took advantage of him. Okay, should we have been paid a lot more? That's number one. Uh, I think there could have been a bigger picture. It's about Mississippi burning, and none of us were there. So I don't know what his consulting was on that. Uh Liland wasn't there, none of us were there. So I don't know what the story is gonna be. I know what I've heard, I know what I've read, and now we're gonna see Mark Wahlberg's version of it on TV, right? And I guarantee you it'll be enhanced or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 27:32

Of course, that's Hollywood.

SPEAKER_02 27:33

They they probably needed somebody to say different things about Greg's personality, how he dressed, what he smoked. Gregory didn't remember what he smoked. I think Little Linda had to bring pictures and things like that. Okay, but anyway, listen, I I could care less about that movie. I have nothing to do with it, I don't want anything to do. I really didn't. Right. I'm gonna do my own. I'm doing a documentary. It's gonna be uh it's in production, it might come out in in um June, or it'll be filmed in June and come out maybe in the fall. Okay. Uh in a nutshell, it's gonna be about the Colombo War, which is a good segue for my story to come out, which is also being shopped at some very high places. I'll mention a few, but there's a lot more. Netflix, Hulu, Cinemax, really, they're all agents have it, okay. So I'm hoping, but in the meantime, we're gonna do the documentary, and it's gonna be more, it's gonna probably be about all the Colombo Wars because they've been fighting since the 60s, you know.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

Yeah, I think there's three of them, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:38

So I've got a cast of people that can go back in time. Gregory would have been part of it, they can go back in time because I can't say anything about the first war. You know, the second war, his father told me a lot about, right? I got other people, I may have Mike Francese, I don't talk to him about it, different people. I got FBI agents, I have cops that were on the task force, I have a few other uh ex good fellas and skippers and things like that that want to be part of it, that know uh uh some stuff. Okay, and yeah, so all of that stuff is happening, it's all good.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

But so as of as of right now, you that's it. You guys are not talking over after after 50 years of friendship, it's it's that's it.

SPEAKER_02 29:22

That seems to be the case, yeah. Because like I said, I didn't do anything wrong. Okay, and you know, I have I said this a few times. I'm open to an apology because I deserve one. I didn't I've again I didn't ambush them, I don't go out there bad. Now, the one person I'll bad mouth till the day I die is the old man, the father. Oh wow because to me it's just it turned out to be a fraud, right? He I don't care how many people he killed, it doesn't matter, right? Okay, to be doing it the way he did it. When he got pinched with the credit cards, he didn't do a day. He spent four hours with the FBI and got released. How has that happened?

SPEAKER_01 30:02

I was gonna say, and that didn't raise any red flags?

SPEAKER_02 30:05

It should have, but you know, when you're killing so many people, it doesn't. It's hard to somebody to say he's with the feds, right? You know, that that that was the problem, you know. Uh and but he did get arrested by the Secret Service, and then the feds took it over. Uh there's no way in the world you're gonna tell me that they would have been happy to get him off the streets for two or three years, right? Just for credit cards, you know. I don't think he was gonna get much more time than that, but they took him right off the hook. The bank robbery that went bad, that's more fiction. That's more fiction. I wasn't on that. He knows I was on it, but it went bad. Three of the guys got pinched, uh it got tossed out, they got two years' probation. One had cinder block all over him from drilling in. The other one had a bump on his head, and the other one had walkie-talkies and tools. They got caught right in the bank parking lot.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_02 30:59

And they didn't, you know, but they Greg spoke to his boy, and uh that got squashed.

SPEAKER_01 31:04

So the last I have a couple more questions, but the last one that I I want to um ask you is I want to ask you about uh, I guess you can call her Linda Big Linda and then her daughter, right? Yeah. Um now from from what I understand, is she still alive? Yeah, Big Linda? Big Linda's still alive. Yeah. Has she ever come out and said this is all a lie or anything like that?

SPEAKER_02 31:30

No, never. And she she couldn't, first of all, she couldn't do that because this is about the first time anybody's ever gonna hear this. First of all, one thing that I put in my book was her and little Linda came to visit me and try to get me to cooperate. They went as far as telling me that Greg talks to them. I didn't know what she meant. I said, What do you mean he talks to them? And she mentioned the prosecutor, he talks to him. I said, I was like beyond shocked that they came there after all these years to tell me to cooperate, which I still didn't at that point. But we were we were on the phone while I was in jail, and I had to keep cutting her off. And they brought this tape to me to try to get me to well, not to me, to my attorney to get me to cooperate, that they would leak that out that me and her were having an affair because she's telling me how much she loves me and misses me, and if I get out, she wants to run away with me, and things like that. It's all over tapes, yeah. So if she did come out and try to deny it, it's right there on tape.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

You know, you know, the women in this life are just as bad as the men. I think they're worse.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

Think about that, you know. But no, but no, that's a great question. She never came, she never once tried to deny any of that. And also, here's the second thing she slipped one time, her younger sister knew about us.

SPEAKER_01 33:02

Really? Yeah, because I know the daughter Linda denies it, says you're a liar, and so on and so forth.

SPEAKER_02 33:08

Well, that's the most silly. It is so the last thing they said now was that uh we were having an affair and he didn't know. He didn't know for 10 years. This was going for 10 years, he didn't know. You're making him look foolish, and you're making her look even worse.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Right.

SPEAKER_02 33:25

At least it was approved of and allowed, so nobody was really doing you know, backstabbing at that point.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

I could understand why the daughter is saying that it's a lie. I'm not saying that she's acting that she's telling the truth, yeah. But nobody wants to believe that their mother sleeps around, right? Right. So it's uh justifying it would would be just calling you a liar, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:52

And you know what? I I don't know. This may be my own pride or my own ego. I don't think she slept around. She was with him and me, and I served the purpose for them, whatever it was. Okay, but it doesn't mean there were feelings. There's no doubt in my mind there was true love for a lot of those years, right?

SPEAKER_00 34:10

Okay, if not all.

SPEAKER_02 34:13

But I always go back to him having three or four other wives, and now maybe he's sleeping with his friend's wife, too. If she's accurate, I don't know if that's possible. Yeah, that she's sleep, you know, he's sleeping with Linda's best friend. He's got all these women around. I was doing him a favor.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Yeah, you know, yeah, that's that's we spoke about that.

SPEAKER_02 34:32

Yeah, she's 32, he's 52, and you know, swashbuckler.

SPEAKER_01 34:36

Yeah, and then she from from our first, I'll put our first interview in the in the uh in the link in the description so people go back and see it. Yeah, but he from what I understand, he had a girl in Jersey, he had a girl, Linda, he had uh his girl in Staten Island, and then he had a girl that used to come to the club. A girl that used to come to the club.

SPEAKER_02 34:56

Yeah, and he had this Israeli beauty queen that oh, my wife was the best because somebody tried to deny that he married her. We actually have the marriage certificate, yeah, from from Vegas or wherever they yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:11

Oh, right, right, and right. The girl was in Las Vegas, that's right. And Manhattan.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

Las Vegas and Manhattan. And I used to drive them to the airport a lot. Yeah, to do that.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

But that you know, that was that was the benefits of the life, is the money, the yeah, the clout and the women, yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

I mean, yeah, no, no, there was there was a lot of uh perks, we'll say that. Yeah, but at the end of the day, like Gregory said, and that's a nice thing to look at when when people are looking at the interview I did with him. You tell me that those aren't two different Gregories, that something went wrong in his head. It's so plainly plain to see. You know, we we were had a camaraderie, and he says more than two, three, four times that me and Jimmy were fantastic, how close his father pulled me in. He knows the I watched it that when Junior Persico told him to get me and Jimmy recognized. He knows why, and he knows that I was put under his father, they made him a skipper, so when Gregory came home, we would remain under him. Those were all stipulations. We had a drive to Leavenworth to get that formal introduction, so that would happen when he came home, that we'd be under him, and he knows that he he put it in writing three or four times. Now he's trying to make me some kind of lying nobody, right? But I don't think that could ever be possible with with all the years I've been around doing this podcasts, meeting people, I've ran into people from the life that are still active, right? And they hug me.

SPEAKER_01 36:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:47

You know, not on 13th Avenue, but if I run into them in Florida somewhere where it's on the outskirts and and they're very realistic, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_01 36:55

You know, now I mean because uh in the interview he did with Mul in on Millennials Choice, he does say that she seduced you when you were a young man. So he is saying that you did sleep with with her.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

Yeah, he's he knows it. I don't think he doubts that happened. But now he's trying to now he's trying to say that we were doing it behind his father's back. Uh which which you know, you're really making your father look like a fool.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_02 37:22

I mean, and he was no fool, you know, he was as widely, yeah, and as sharp as anybody in that street. Yeah, so he would have seen it from a mile away. But then he just made it like we were one big family. I became godfather to his son Joey, right? You know, and I was really literally part of the family.

SPEAKER_01 37:41

And and and you had told the story again in my first interview with you, which I'll put in the description, you had told the story where he you he came to you and told you that he knew. And he told you, from what I remember, he told you if anybody else finds out, we'd both be dead.

SPEAKER_02 37:57

Exactly. We'd both be killed. Yeah, you and I will be killed. Those were exact words. Now, Gregg tried to change that to that happened during the war. He said those words to me. If we don't fight this, we'll be killed. That was never said that's we were fighting it from day one. We need to be told that. That that line came just as I said it. And during the war, let me tell you something else. That, you know, we got seasoned during that war, okay? Much more than a guy that killed somebody in the backseat, or anybody, and I'm not talking to him with that. Anybody.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

Right.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

Okay, we got shot at almost on a friggin' daily basis or attempts on us, we were shootouts. I mean, you get seasoned, okay? So I got the right not to fear anybody.

SPEAKER_01 38:48

I gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 38:49

By going through that, right?

SPEAKER_01 38:50

Right?

SPEAKER_02 38:50

I made my fucking reputation during that war. That can't be taken away.

SPEAKER_01 38:56

Yeah. Now that's that that goes without saying. I mean, even when I mentioned I uh I have a good friend whose father passed, who was in the life, and I mentioned your name and uh said you were coming on the show, and he goes, Oh, he he was legit, he was a real one, he was a real gangster. Like any anybody from the neighborhood, anybody around that that time, or or father was around that time knows that.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Um, anybody let me tell you something again. That doesn't go just for me. Anybody under Greg is gonna be that. There's no choice.

SPEAKER_00 39:26

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 39:27

You're not gonna be around long, you're gonna be pushed aside, you're gonna be chased, but he kept taking me closer and closer. Then during the war, it was only the three of us. He got rid of everybody else. He didn't want them around because he didn't trust them. He says, one of these guys will turn on us.

SPEAKER_01 39:41

Ah, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

So it was just the three of us.

SPEAKER_01 39:44

So and it you you said that from your interview to the Millennials Choice interview, Greg, Greg looked like a different person. So it it it's possible, like I'm I'm reaching, right? Because I'm I'm trying to figure out why he would turn on a friend over 50 years. It's possible that uh the girl, this grid, this girl manipulated him, chirping in his ears. Very possible. Do you think there's anything else? Do you think there's substance abuse, alcohol, anything else?

SPEAKER_02 40:09

Well, you know, I I'm not there to see it firsthand, but I've heard from probably six different people that there is something else going on as far as that. Yeah, and like I said, I didn't see anything myself, uh, but no less than six people told me yes, that's the problem. So, you know, and again, is it because of the company he's keeping, you know? Uh, but you could see it yourself. Yeah. Again, when you watch that, that's why I put it out there. I want people to make their own decisions. Is this is Greg now the Greg now that you're seeing? Is that the real Greg? And then when we did this interview, we were so close, and he's talking about the kids not to get into this life, and just, you know, it's always you know, I don't get it, I just don't understand it. You know, you're gonna because we had an argument. Oh, too bad. That's life. People argue.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

Yeah, I will put my I'll put I'll put three links in. I'll put our first interview, I'll put uh yours interviewing uh interviewing Greg Jr. And I'll also put the Millennials Choice interview so you could actually so people actually go and and and see for themselves. Um you know it's it's it's kind of sad that well look you could take pride in the fact that you did what you could. Yeah, I do. You did you did you did what you take comfort in the fact that you did what you could, you tried to help him as much as possible, and if if it's gonna end over petty stuff like this, that he wants this to end, then you could you believe it, yeah. You can wash your hands of the whole thing.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

People say that, you know, I've heard people say that uh, well, he's got nothing to lose, you better watch out. There's two sides to that coin. I have everything to lose, so I'm not gonna you know let somebody that has nothing to lose get the upper hand on me. I got everything to lose. I got my beautiful wife, I got a great life going on, I've got you know plenty of good enough income that I live a good life, business, business ventures, yeah, you know, and I have uh very good security measures around me. So, you know, having nothing to lose, I worry more about a guy that has everything to lose.

SPEAKER_00 42:28

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_02 42:29

That's my opinion. Okay, but you know, but I I appreciate people saying that they're they're you know, because they know we're having this big this stupid ass childish whatever. Uh and I also heard, like I said, from several family members that it's not him. It's but every time I I hear that and I start saying, hey, he probably isn't him, probably the the sister and the girlfriend. Then he comes on and he does a stupid show just to bash me.

SPEAKER_01 43:00

You know, but I'll answer as long as I said, Larry, you you could you could uh you could take comfort in the fact that you tried, you did all you can to help him. You've been a friend for 50 years, and if this is what it comes to, then now and and let's let's you know if he just does decide to give you a call and say, hey, listen, let bygones be bygones. I apologize, I shouldn't have done that, you would have no problem accepting an up yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:25

Yeah, and then I say my my half of what I'm sorry about too.

SPEAKER_01 43:30

Right.

SPEAKER_02 43:31

I would initiate it because I did nothing wrong.

SPEAKER_01 43:33

Yeah, okay. Well, yeah, listen, uh I hope it all works out, man. But whether you you know whether whether whether you do bury the hatchet or whether you don't, it is my opinion that it doesn't change your life any.

SPEAKER_02 43:48

No, let's just go on let's just go on our separate ways. That's fine. That's it. We don't need to, you know, why why are you obsessed with me? Why are you you paying rent in your own head?

SPEAKER_01 43:59

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

You know, for me.

unknown 44:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:07

I've said that several times in the last few weeks. Right. And I have no doubt.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

All right, Larry, what do you got coming up?

SPEAKER_02 44:14

Any other uh Well, I I I mentioned I got the documentary.

SPEAKER_01 44:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:18

Um, yeah, I just uh you know, I just want a big case. Okay. I I I'm gonna put this out there. I was my gym is right next door to a 24-7 bar.

SPEAKER_01 44:32

Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_02 44:32

Okay, and there's bikers in there, and there's junkies and drug addicts and drug users and drug dealers, it's a bad place, okay? Yeah, and a lot of times it trickles into my parking lot. They park in there, they urinate on cars, they abuse the women coming in and out. And there were times that girls actually had to call the police to escort them to their cars. So one day I get there, and there's about 10 cars that don't belong in my lot. Okay, so I lean over the fence, I see the owner next door. I say, Harry, do me a favor, get these guys to move their cars. I, you know, I got a class coming.

SPEAKER_00 45:10

Right.

SPEAKER_02 45:11

So while I'm talking to him, two of them come around and they start walking towards me. So I said, What are they coming towards me for? So I said, get your cars and go. He says, What's your problem?

SPEAKER_01 45:24

Oh, Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02 45:25

So now I start pointing at all the signs. No parking, no parking, no parts. That's my problem. Now take your cars and get out of here. He tells me I'm gonna curse now. I'll park wherever the fuck I want. And then mumbled something about kicking my ass. As he got closer, I gave him a shot. And it was really just a jab. It was a jab, not a combination. I could have knocked him right out. I didn't do that. Popped him quick and got myself ready for the second guy because I thought he he, you know, might have come at me too, but he stopped. There's a cop across the street, he sees the whole thing over binoculars, he was watching the bar. He should have came a little sooner, but he he sees that I threw the first punch. Long story short, I get arrested for battery, disorderly conduct. I'm facing a year. And I go, I got my lawyer. I said, I am not coping out to anything. Not I didn't I stood my ground, I'm 100% right over here. We put on a defense. I took the stand on my own behalf. He was a little worried about that because of the past and all that, never came up. I didn't go any, never brought up anything about New York.

SPEAKER_01 46:32

Good.

SPEAKER_02 46:33

There's no reason to. So, long story short, my lawyer catches the guy handing off a knife to his friend. Oh, on the police camera, not on my cameras. They only looked at my cameras. He subpoenaed the police cameras. So when they saw that and he lied about it, he discredited himself, the so-called victim. Then when I took the stand, I was able to talk. My he didn't want to bring in my martial arts background, but the judge who hated me and hate and so did the prosecutor, because they knew about my past, allowed it. So we took a recess. I said, put me on the stand, you asked me, but do not cut me off. Let me explain my life in martial arts. So I did it and I ended it. I talked about doing women's self-defense seminars. I looked right at the the old lady when I when I said that. I said I did law enforcement self-defense seminars. I looked at the fireman who I knew was there. And then I just looked at everybody when I said I I taught children, young kids, teenagers. I says, but I'm 65 now. I stopped at 55.

SPEAKER_00 47:42

Right.

SPEAKER_02 47:42

And I got a compliment from the prosecutor on my age. He says, You look good for 65. I couldn't believe that was the nicest thing he said to me. So I says, Yeah, thanks, whatever. But I says, went through all that, told him I just use it for conditioning now. I'm not practicing, I'm not really sparring anymore. These guys are half my age. I says, I wasn't looking for any of that. I says, but if I was sitting in my backyard and there was a venomous snake hissing at my feet, I'm not waiting for him to bite me.

SPEAKER_01 48:14

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

There was a silence.

SPEAKER_01 48:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:16

And my my guy said, No, no further questions, boom. And then uh, you know, took him about an hour, an hour, and I got cleared on everything.

SPEAKER_01 48:25

This is why you don't this is why you mind your own business. And it because you don't know, like they're lucky you're reformed. Right? Yeah. Because if this was if this was the Larry from 40 years ago, this would have gone down a lot different.

SPEAKER_02 48:44

I would have prone a combination and probably kicked the other guy in the nuts or the kneecap. But I didn't I even said that. I told him that's what I would have done if it was necessary. I did not use excessive force.

SPEAKER_01 48:56

Yeah, and this is this is this is why you mind your business, you don't know right who's who, you don't know what the pro the person is, you don't know what they're going through, you don't know you don't know their mental uh uh stability, you don't know their background. You're better off just I'll move the car. Sorry, that's it. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 49:16

He didn't have to keep walking towards me, cursing me.

SPEAKER_01 49:18

And apologies for for parking in your lot, won't happen again. And then you it probably would have been fine after, right?

SPEAKER_02 49:24

And for the last five years, that's usually what happened. But these two guys, and it's almost like a setup. The cop was right there. It's amazing, it's craziness. But anyway, I beat it, so that was wonderful. And uh yeah, and I got the documentary I'll be working on. Next time I come up, if I do come up, I'll be in that area for the documentary. I'll let you know.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Oh, definitely. Yeah, absolutely. We'll get together. No question.

SPEAKER_02 49:45

Yeah, I'm gonna be going through some of the old haunts, the old stomping grounds, and yeah, some of it will be done with AI. So it is what it seems, and they showed me pictures of me younger. I said, I wasn't bad looking, I said when I was a kid.

SPEAKER_01 49:59

I got old and funny looking now, but listen, the HK, I'll be 50, man. I'll be 50 years old.

SPEAKER_02 50:05

Good for you. You're pumping that iron. Keep it up.

SPEAKER_01 50:07

All right, Larry. Thank you very much for coming on, brother. Appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 50:10

Thank you. Thank you. I'll talk to you soon. You know, let me know in a few weeks, whatever. We'll get back on. Maybe there's some more to talk about.

SPEAKER_01 50:16

Absolutely. You got it. All right. All right, later.