Exclusive Interview: Former Hells Angels leader Charles “Pee Wee” Goldsmith Talks prison time

John Livia is joined by former Hells Angels leader, Charles "Pee Wee" Goldsmith for an all new exclusive interview as he discusses his time in prison and much more.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:01

All right. Returned guest after I think I think two years. Charles Pee Wee Goldsmith. What's up, man?

SPEAKER_00 0:10

Same old shit, John. Just getting older.

SPEAKER_01 0:13

Yeah, I hear you, man. I hear you. So uh if people don't know, uh Charles was on my channel uh two years ago, and he is the former uh Las Vegas chapter leader of the Hells Angels. He's also uh author and uh uh bike mechanic, right?

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Right. I I was a mechanic. I had a shop for like 19 years, but after a while I just had guys, you know, doing the mechanic work.

SPEAKER_01 0:41

Yeah, yeah. So what you said uh uh we last time you we were on together, we talked about your uh past as far as you know getting into the clubs, and we kind of ended off um when you wound up in uh in jail after that scuffle you had with the with the Mongols at your son's wedding. Um I'm gonna put that link into uh the description um so people could go and and check out the first interview. But uh just so people know, Pee Wee has a website that we could uh uh see here, and you uh he has a book, and you can go and check out his book, uh Greatest Lie Ever Told. And this is a young, very large Pee-wee goldsmith right here.

SPEAKER_00 1:34

Believe it or not, I was in my probably late 40s, early 50s.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

Really?

SPEAKER_00 1:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

Big difference. Let's see. Okay. So um you wound up doing, I believe it was three years, right? 29 months, yeah. 29 months. So uh walk me through the uh that experience when you were in in prison and going in as uh Hell's Angel and what the experience was like.

SPEAKER_00 2:07

Right. Well, you know, it's kind of it's kind of weird, John. You know, you the whole time I was making jokes when I was the president of the club, and the more and more tattoos I would get, I'm just telling this because now we can laugh about it, but I think it was funny when I was locked up. But yeah, I'd get I'd get more and more tattoos, and somebody goes, Jesus, when's enough gonna be enough? And I says, Hey man, I'm trying to look the part. If I ever get sent to prison, I'll fit right in.

SPEAKER_03 2:41

Yeah, right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

I used to say that all the time. So that being said, you kind of know when you join the Hells Angels, you're either gonna be killed or go to prison. If you get out with your life, get out, you know. I mean, because think about it now, man. They're fighting everybody, bro. Everybody. I would want to as big as I am, and who I was, I still got a lot of guys out there that respect me, but then I still got them other guys that I used to mess with when I was a hell's angel. They don't forget, I guess. You know, they ain't gonna let nothing slide when I run into them. They still want to get it on. So Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01 3:30

But yeah, that's what I'd say. Take me back to uh uh when you first walked into prison, what the experience was like.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

It was it was weird, John. It wasn't it was like um I was 57 years old, I've been in jails like for 60 days, 30 days, 30 days, you know, shit like that, right? But never never know like serious prison time. And uh when I when I walked into that prison, man, it was crazy. Uh, you know, there's a million things going through your mind. First of all, the the thing that really gets you uh pumped up, John, that where you're thinking, like, wow, where what's going on here? Well, what is happening to me? Right, you're sitting on a bus and you're shackled, belly shackled to your feet, and you're sitting next to two other guys, we're all crammed in this this little bus. And I mean, jam, there's no room. I mean, we're packed, and we're all heading out to the prison, all of us. And uh, there was one kid in there that I knew. Uh trying to think of Tommy. His name is Tommy, he's dead now. He died. I don't know how, but he's dead. Um, yeah, he got out of prison, his life was going good, and now I heard he's dead. Um, but Tommy was the only guy in there, and you know, he's like, Hey, I'll show you the ropes, I'll t you. I'm like, Yeah, I just sat there, man. I was kind of like as you're riding out to the prison, John. You sit in the van or in a in the bus and you look out the windows, and and you're passing like the exit to your house and shit, uh, you know, man, yeah, right. And this is important to say this, you know, because you look at it like this, John. There it goes, man. That's the last time I'm gonna see that exit for a long time, right?

SPEAKER_03 5:27

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Reality starts sinking in, bro, right there, right there. And we get out to the prison, we all get out, you know. The guys are doing their typical screaming and yelling, you know, the seals. And then you get inside, you walk in, and there's probably I was it, 15 of us, and we all walk in, and we're about a um, I would say, yeah, about a foot 12 inches from uh the wall, the brick wall, and we walk in, we're all standing there, we're belly chained, we're shackled, and then we're chained together. And uh they say, everybody turn, face the wall, don't move, keep your feet where they are, and just lean forward your head in the wall. So you're actually at their you know convenience because you're leaning forward into the wall, they kick your legs out, you're going down. Okay, so we're all leaning on our foreheads against the concrete wall, and he says, Are there any of you guys in here that think you're in danger or you think you're gonna get beat up? That on your jacket you snitched, you you done something with a kid, uh um, beat women up, or whatever. If you think you're gonna have a problem on that yard before something happens, you step back one foot, and you know, everybody's standing there, and well, I know I ain't no chomo, you know, right, right. And I and I know I was no rat, so I was thinking, man, I got no problem with nobody on this yard, because I thought the prisons were like neutral, too, you know. Right, so I thought I got no problems. I'm leaning into the wall, man, and three guys step back. Three guys, Johnny, stepped back and they said, uh, yeah, we need protection or something. They marshals guys off, they put them in a cage across from the rest of us. Then they put the rest of us in this other cage together, like like a holding cell, right? And then um, this to me was like fucking disgusting, you know. They come in here with uh um uh what do you call shaving uh shears like a barber uses to cut your hair? Okay, well, see, you'd be perfect, John, because you're already ready to go. No hair on your face, no hair on your head. Oh, yeah, bro, you gotta shave it all off.

SPEAKER_01 8:11

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:12

I had a big goatee at the time, yeah. I was bald like you, yeah, but I had a goatee, so I had to shave it off, and bro, all they keep doing is hand it, didn't matter what color gender, or they hand the damn thing. If somebody had lice, you know what I mean? You're putting the shit on your face, that's it. It was sick. I was thinking to myself, fuck, they don't even clean it off or anything, right? So I change it off. Honest to God, bro. I look like Uncle Festus, you know, with no hair on my face, and you know, my head's bald, and uh I'm standing there and I can't see myself in the mirror, so I'm like, what the fuck? You know, and all the guys are sitting around. And the the thing I thought, the first thing I caught in there, John, that I didn't know the politics, I didn't know the rules, I didn't know uh I didn't know any of that shit. I've never been there before. But this black kid stands up there and he says, Oh man, you should have seen in court today. He said, Mom, bitches, mom and dad were there crying, telling they want me to get this much time, that much. And somebody goes, Why would you do to her? And he says, Oh, it was their 12-year-old daughter. He said, I was pimping her. He was pimping her out. Wow, and uh yeah, he got he got 15 years. Oh, 15 life year uh, yeah, for he kidnapped her. That was another charge, kidnapping, and they got their child, they got their daughter back, so he was put in there for white slavery. Get out of here, really. Yeah, that was his charge. That's what he told me. Now, here's the crazy shit, John. All the serenos and uh the southern Mexicans in there, they all check their paperwork to see if you're a rat, chomo, something like that.

SPEAKER_03 10:04

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

So do the white boys. The black guys really don't check the paperwork, man. I I honestly I'm not putting them down, I'm just saying that's their thing, you know. Okay, you're you walk in the yard, you're black, just come on over, bro. Hang out with us, right?

SPEAKER_03 10:20

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 10:21

And I thought that was kind of weird, you know, because that kid went right to the yard and he wasn't hanging out with them.

SPEAKER_03 10:28

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 10:30

So you know, you you you sit in this little room, and then they bring you in, they draw blood on you, and then you know, they told me, Oh, you weren't, I wasn't diabetic, which I was right. They said you're not diabetic, you don't have any uh hepatitis or AIDS or any uh venereal diseases. I didn't have uh uh what do you call it, uh TB or any of that shit. Yeah, so they're like, Okay, you're good to go, Mr. Goldsmith. And I said, Yeah, all right. So I get up, I walk out of this room, you walk in this other one. It's almost like you see in the movie Stripes with Bill Murray, yeah, where you go along the line, he's picking up his underwear, his shirts, and shit, like you know, for the army. And I walk over and guy says, Boxers, what size boxers are you? I said, Man, I can wear extra large, double X, no more than that. He gives me 5x, 5x boxers. Bro, I swear to god, I was holding them up like this. I said, Man, dude, these will never stay on me. He goes, You'll grow into them. Okay, and I was like, Whoa! So they take your street clothes and they tell you to get dressed. Now, at the time, at that time, John, I was still weighing like 450 pounds, wow, right? So I was weighing 450 and I went in there, and I think my waist was a 56. They gave me 60-inch pants. Oh 5x under 5x underwear. Yeah, the only thing that fit were the socks, and they barely fit, bro. And then the shirt, the shirts they gave me were like really tight on me, and then they give me this tub and they throw your um your mattress in it, and I'm trying to carry this tub with this mattress, my pillow slip. Um, they don't give me a pillow, but they give me a pillow slip, they give me a blanket, a sheet, and uh soap, a washcloth, a towel, some other shit. It's all thrown in your uh tub. Here's the thing, bro. You're walking, you gotta walk from the center where they bring you in all the way down to your unit, and it's a long walk, it's a it's a good half mile. And I'm walking with this thing, bro. I just told you 60-inch pants, 5x underwear. My shit's falling down to my knees. Uh so I gotta put my tub down, and the guys yellow, put your pants up. Hey, I was sagging, bro, and I didn't keep that going. So I'm walking, you know, and I'm trying to keep the tub against pushed against uh under uh the underwear and uh pants so they don't fall down anymore. I get in there, and uh for anybody, I know some of these guys who've been in prison, they know they know exactly what I'm talking about. And when you get in there again, which I didn't know about, um what they what they do, John, is they put you in uh a thing called the fish tank. And the fish the fish tank is for all the new guys coming in to get you a uh uh how do you say it acquired okay to this prison life, all right? So they don't want to see you breaking down, you know, like at the movie Shaw Shank Redemption, right? That guy goes, I don't belong here. Well, they don't want you doing that shit, they want you to get used to prison on their terms, so you can stay in there 30 days, John, 40, 50, 60, however long it takes you to get in their program. You know what I mean? Get blown with it.

SPEAKER_01 14:23

Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:24

So they don't let you out of your room, John. Every three days, they'll let you out for 10 minutes to take a shower. Jesus. And bro, it's 10 minutes. When you get in that shower, you stand around talking to the guy next to you, you're in bird cages, right? Yeah, so I could talk to you, John. You'd be right next to me, but there'd be a screen between us, you know. And if we start shooting the shit and we're like soaping up and stuff, when the shower shuts up, that's it. You go back to your room.

SPEAKER_02 14:54

That's it.

SPEAKER_00 14:55

Yeah, so when I'd get in there, bro, I'd speed wash, you know, wash everything up. Then when I was done, you could, you know, you could talk to uh like a guy from the cell next to you or whatever. And um, because of all the German tattoos on me, I would always come out, bro, and I'd walk to my room, was halfway down the tier. And when I would walk, all I'd have is my boxers and flip flops on, you know.

SPEAKER_03 15:19

Right, right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

I'd be walking, and I got all the German tattoos all over me, you know, and I'd hear all the guys their hands yelling, yeah. Oh, yeah, I got I everybody sung happy birthday to me on April 30th, Hitler's birthday. They say birthday. Oh my god. All right, yeah, I was bad, bro. It's bad, and I wasn't pushing none of that shit, you know. Yeah, because I don't, I don't do that, yeah. So these tattoos were something totally different, you know. I mean, someday we'll talk about that, yeah. And then um I was I was with this guy, and and they call him Chachi. And uh Greg Garrison is his real name, and I'm saying his name because he was one of the coolest freaking guys I met in there, John. Let me tell you something. It's so important when you go in there, John, for somebody to teach you the ropes, bro. Like if you and me got locked up and I've been there before, I can say, John, don't do this, don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 16:26

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 16:26

I can tell you, put your head in the right, right spot, you know. And uh that's what Chachi did for me, and it's it's big, bro. It's big. I still talk to Chachi today.

SPEAKER_01 16:40

Okay, what was some of the things that he uh he taught you when he first got in there?

SPEAKER_00 16:45

I'm I'm gonna tell you right now, brother. Okay, he he um he it was funny. He was in there. This is gonna crack you up. He was in there for a parole violation. He walked in the Coles department store and he stole a jacket because he was cold. He walked out the door with it on, and he was picked up for shoplifting on parole, came back to prison. So he was sentenced to eight years at first. They caught him with some meth, uh, and he came in, he told me, he says, Pee-wee, I'm gonna teach you how to make the best meth. I said, I don't want to know, bro. Yeah, yeah. I don't do it, I don't want to see it, I don't want to know nothing about, but sure enough, you know, bro. When I was laying on the bottom bunk reading shit, he's going, Well, you gotta take the phosphorus, you gotta separate it for it easier to put that in. When you're cooking it, you gotta be. And I go, shut the fuck up, you know. Yeah, he was on it, but I guess he was a pretty good cook at his time. So the funny thing I was gonna tell you is he said he was cooking for three days and in his little lab setup, yeah. And he didn't realize how out of it he was from the fumes, cooking fumes. This is gonna crack you up, bro. You know what was in the room with him? A black cat. Well, you know, that cat was sniffing those fumes too. Yeah, so when the cops broke into his house, he was in that dark room cooking the shit up. They kicked the door, and the cat came flying out, you know, jumped on the cops, he said. Just screaming. Jesus cycle, you know. So he taught me, he said, Um, you know, you don't do this, you don't do that. It was like, you know, watch out for these guys, watch out for those guys, you know. Uh um some little things like he didn't tell me, but they were so minor, I can't understand why he didn't tell me. Like, uh, I got rolled up one time, bro, and thrown in a hole for three days. But walking up to a CEO, and he's talking to somebody, and I says, Hey, do you mind if uh uh if I run upstairs, you can open the door? I want to grab, I'm gonna I had to grab something, I forget what it was. And he goes, he goes, Yeah, I'll I'll open the door for you. Go ahead. So I run upstairs. I was on the second tier. I run upstairs, he goes in there, he opens the door, I run in, I get my thing, I came out. Bro, all I did was come downstairs, and as I ran by him, I went like this. Hey, thanks, man. On his shoulder, I said, Thanks. I went outside and did my thing. Wow. I come in at nighttime, you go to dinner? I'm being belly chain, man. Roll your shit up. You're going in the hole. Jesus. What for? Yeah, you touched a CO, you're not allowed to touch a CO. Oh wow, that's what I said. I went, Oh wow, man, you kidding me? I didn't I didn't touch him like physically, yeah. I was a gesture of thank you. Yeah, they said, We don't care, you never touch a cop. So I go, whatever, man. So I went to the hole for three days. Oh god. Yeah, then I came back, same room. But but what I'm telling you now, that's when I went to the main yard. I want to mix you up here. Uh, I'm still in the fish tank with Chachi. I was I was in there as long as Chachi was. We were both in there about 32 days. Which you know, Chachi's been there before, so he really didn't need to, but they do it to you anyway. He taught me, I had money, he didn't, so I told him, Don't worry about it. I'll buy I'll buy the food, bro. I gotcha. I bought him a plastic uh bowl with a lid top for it. I had one, and then he would make all the spreads, you know, the ramen noodles, akili, the rice in there, refried beans, and we put them on a tortilla crush up uh some uh fritos in there, and we tower down some burritos, you know. And he taught me how to do that, and he taught me how to do a spread, you know. He taught me all the uh all the right shit that I needed to know, bro. Okay, and uh when they let us scroll from there, they sent us both to the same yard, but not to the same units. Every yard they had there has four units to it. So you had the one, two, three, four, and five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, and so the units go. And um I at first was in at first I was in ten ten yeah, ten unit. And um it was it was it was kind of crazy, you know, it was general population. I went out and that was like the first time, John, that it's it's I'm trying to think of the right way here to say this to you. It's weird because I consider myself a tough guy, you know what I mean? I I I never act down from nobody or anything, but it's kind of weird when you're walking around that prison because there's so many bad guys, you know. I mean, yeah, yeah, lots of many, so many, so many guys that would kill and yeah, beat your head in for no reason.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

Yeah, so nothing.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

So when it comes, when it comes down, John, to uh the bad guys and who's bad, everybody's pretty bad. That's the way you gotta look at it, you know. I mean, I didn't walk around the art saying I'm the baddest uh freaking guy out here. But I was walking around, and that's the first time, John, I've been there like two months, two months. I never saw my son anywhere, right? Well, then the gates opened up. He worked out in uh the yard, like picking up paper and shit, and he came through the gates, and I saw him, and I walked up to him and I said, Hey son, how you doing? You know, I said, Are you okay? And you know, John, I I I felt so bad inside, you know. It's your own kid, you know. I mean, I I try to warn him before he joined the Hell's Angels, don't do this, don't do that.

SPEAKER_03 23:18

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

He never sat one day in jail, and now all of a sudden now he's in prison, you know. So as a father, I guess I failed at that, but you know, I felt horrible enough inside. So I grabbed him, I gave him a big hug, I kissed him on the cheek, and I said, You okay? This is all he said to me, Dad, watch yourself around here. These guys want to kill you. I said, What guys? I said, What guys? He goes, Watch yourself, dad. And he walks away. Wow, that's what I thought. I was just standing there going, What the fuck? You know what I mean? Well, who wants to kill me?

SPEAKER_03 23:58

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 23:59

So I turned around and I looked, and the only guys out there on that yard that looked like they had any problem with me, believe it or not, bro, is this group of guys called the Aryan Warriors. Have nothing to do with the Aryan Brotherhood. Yeah, Aryan Brotherhood kills these guys. They hate them, they hate them, bro. So these Aryan Warrior guys are the only ones that are in prison, only Nevada. Only Nevada. But you know, it's weird. Here's the way I see things. They're a bunch of them ratting on each other, they're under under Rico indictments right now. Two or three of them that came up to me were talking like this. Yo, hey, man, what up, bro? You need some cheat, motherfucking man, brother. And you guys are Samarian guys, it was too much for me, you know.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Right.

SPEAKER_00 24:52

So they came to me and they says, Hey, we want to read your paperwork because you want to see if I'm a rat or a snitch or a fuck or a child molester.

SPEAKER_03 25:01

Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

So they read my paperwork, they come back, they go, Man, you're a straight up warrior, dude. Because my shit just told me beating people up, you know.

SPEAKER_01 25:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:11

So, and on that paperwork, John, it says everything he said. So, if you did rap, bro, it'd be in there. Oh, gotcha. That's what I loved about it because the angels ran around telling everybody I was a rat, so they couldn't prove it, they couldn't prove it, right? You know what I mean? And they had to eat their words. Well, that that that was good enough for me. So they said, We got a place for you at the table to sit with them, become one of them. Yeah, I didn't want it, bro. You know that. I just hey what I loved is being a hell's angel. I just 15 years out there with those guys, and I'm thinking, man, there's no way I'm joining any organization. Yeah, many motorcycle clubs asked me to join when I quit the angels.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

Oh, I can't.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

Oh shit, at least 15, John. Wow, some offered me a national presidency. Oh Jesus, wow, really? I said, I don't want to get involved, I wouldn't get involved in any of it.

SPEAKER_01 26:08

How was it being um an angel in prison? Did it give you any kind of mistake?

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Well, you gotta remember, I was already an ex-angel, John. Ah, okay. I quit the club in 2010, I went to prison in 2014. Uh, but we committed the the act with the Mongols right in 2008. Oh, Jesus, okay. So they didn't rest us till 2010, yeah. And then we all had a bailout for 10,000 on a hundred thousand dollar bond, yeah. And uh, you know, every time, every time the club had a member that was in trouble, you always have what they call assessment, you know, where we all got to chip in and pay for you to help you out, John. You know, I mean if it's uh if it's a club case, yeah, like if you got in a fight with another club guy, you got shot, you shot him, shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:06

Uh if it has anything to do with you selling drugs in your buset, that's on you. Because that's that's a self-imput, you know, in between what you call them. You're doing you're doing your own thing.

SPEAKER_03 27:18

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

No, we're not benefiting from you. That's why a lot of the members get pissed off when guys go, hey, it's a criminal organization, but it's not. We got criminals in the organization, yeah. Every one of them do. We got a police department right here in Texas where I live. They just got busted for a prostitution ring. I was cracking up.

SPEAKER_01 27:41

Unbelievable. Unreal.

SPEAKER_00 27:42

Never offer me not even a freebie, John. No, but but with that, you know, uh it's weird. It's it. I don't care how bad you are, you could sit there and look around, and you just know there's other people there that are badder than you. You just you just gotta hold your mud, you know what I mean, and just say, hey, I've always held my mud and I was always ready to do whatever I had to do, but there was so much, Johnny, to learn. Yeah, like me touching the the the CO. Who the fuck was that in my rules? Or maybe it was the stupid little book they gave me, read the rules. Um, I didn't read it, right? I didn't read the bro, so I touched them, and uh yeah, they're they're saying all kinds of shit in there, like uh, here's a good one. You you explain this one to me. If I sneak out of my cell, because I heard that you, John, are a very good tattoo artist, and you say, Pee we come on in, I'll tattoo you, bro. So I sneak into your room, that other guy sneaks into my room because when they go by, they just do a head count. Okay, two beds, two guys, right? It's not hard to figure out, you know.

SPEAKER_02 28:59

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

But we're talking about me, John. If I'm sitting there and a guy looks in, like, what is he doing in there? Yeah, I'm not the average guy. So a lot of times I'd have to lay down in the covers and pull them up like I was you know, crunched up sleeping. But I never let those guys tattoo me. Never okay. I didn't went through a hepatitis or anything. But what I was trying to say to you is if you get caught in the room, John, your charge would escape. Really? Yeah, that's yeah, I don't I don't get it, bro. I really don't get it, but that's strange.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

When you were in prison, did anybody uh try you?

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Oh, yeah, all the time, bro.

SPEAKER_01 29:43

Really?

SPEAKER_00 29:43

All the time. So yeah, when we when we first got there, everything was cool. Everything was cool. Then I I got to the yard. When I told those guys no, I didn't want to hang with them, they must have started talking as you see what I mean. Just like you know, angels who get caught doing the shit they do. They told somebody that's telling somebody else, that's telling somebody else. It's typical, so they always tell everybody basically what they're gonna do, you know. And um the COs got word of it, and when I went to get my commissary one time, they said, Hey, we heard a little rumor going around here, and I said, 'Oh yeah,' and they said, 'Yeah, it has to do with you, man. These A-Dubs, Aryan warrior guys, they call them A dubs. I think it was short for ass wipes or like I think Aryan witnesses or something.' So they said, 'Hey, um, they're gonna jump you, man. Why don't you let us help you? I think what they wanted me to do, John, is say, hey, put me in protective custody, you know, I'll be good, I'll be I'll be good and all my stuff, you know, just put me over there. I says, What do you want me? What do you want me to do?

SPEAKER_03 30:56

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

They said, 'You don't want to help? Help from what, man? I mean, I haven't even been attacked or anything, you know.

SPEAKER_02 31:03

Right.

SPEAKER_00 31:04

I said, 'Listen, I'll handle myself. I'm a I'm a big boy, I can handle it. So about four days went by after that little meeting they had, because they pull you off to the side so nobody sees all the shit you're getting. Because I don't know, because people were what do you call it? Uh um embezzling guys from their shit. You know, hey, you better give me a couple suits, I'll kick your ass.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

Distortion, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

Distortion. That's what I was willing to talk about. Thank you. So uh when when uh four days went by, I was sitting at a table, and I was eating a bowl of soup. And I was eating a soup. There's a guy sitting right across the table from me, John, and then one sitting to the left of me. And then the the right guy, the right chair was my celly. He hasn't come there yet. And I think that piece of shit knew what was going on. That's why he didn't come to the chair. Okay, but yeah, they call him Jersey. And uh, yeah, he he looked like some blowjob queen, you know. And and and then all of a sudden, I'm sitting there eating, bro. And I'm I'm not saying this to you to uh make you know your listeners and stuff think, oh, I'm so bad I didn't feel it. I can't explain it to you. I really can't, John. But when I was eating, they hit me in the head with a big rock, they hit me in the side of the head. What I can't explain to you is I didn't I didn't feel like the initial hit, like the impact on my head.

SPEAKER_03 32:47

Right.

SPEAKER_00 32:48

I'm eating a soup, bro. I'm sitting like this eating a soup. I remember my eyes came up, and I looked around, I looked at the other two guys, and their eyes were like, whoa, because they could see what was going down. Yeah, there's four guys behind me. They hit me with the rock. What happened was John, my head went numb. My head went numb, and it was like like just numb numb. You know, it's just like it was like frozen in time, man. And I was just sitting there like this at the table, just looking like I'm gonna tell you what I thought. I thought, hey, am I having a brain aneurysm? I didn't know, you know what I mean? Wow, yeah, you thought all of a sudden, pow, it hits me in the head with the rock again. Now I feel it. I feel it, John. I feel the rock hit my head. He breaks the side of my head open right here. Blood's running down my face. I turn, whoop, I give him running in the mouth. He goes flying that way. I jump up from the table. There's a guy standing right there. He's a fat dude. He hangs right. I can't remember his name. Chicken shit as they come, right? All of a sudden, man, he hit the ground. I didn't hit him. He hit the ground so fast, the only thing I see was his uh chicken feathers flying, you know. And he goes, I don't want no part of it, I don't want no part of it. And then I turn around, I see this guy from the haymakers coming at me. I step right up the middle of the pipe, ow, uppercut, right? I sent him flying a 360 in the air, hits the ground. I ain't gonna lie to you, bro. I'm standing thinking because I'm a boxer, right? I'm thinking that was a good punch. That was a really good punch, but I didn't realize I broke his tooth off and it was sticking in my finger, right? Oh god. So the fourth guy says, Come on, bitch. He has his hands up. So I'm going around the table, he keeps going around the table. So I said, Hey, I said, Hey, you punk, stop going around the table so he can get it on. And then he stops, he's got his hands up. You can see he's scared. He was tipping up to get into their gang, and he had to fight me. He never threw a punch, he never did nothing. Then the guard up in the tower that's in each one of the pods, he shoots boom, a shotgun 12 gauge. First shot's a percussion shot. It's just you know, it's just the wad, you know, boom. But you know, when you're inside of a building, John, and it's all concrete and stuff, you know, it's like bomb in there. The second load is live bird shot. Ain't no joke. Wow, yeah, it's live bird shot. I've been in a mess hall where I saw a fight break out, he shot. The BB's hit the ground, went flying, hit a kid in the eye, blew his eye out.

SPEAKER_01 35:43

Wow, okay.

SPEAKER_00 35:45

Kid thought he hit it big, bro, and the prison paid him off for 250,000 for his eyeball. Jesus, stupid. So, anyway, uh everybody lays on the ground. Once again, I'm gonna plead a stupid thing again. I don't know all the rules, Johnny. I'm standing there, right? He points the gun at me and he says, Get on the ground, big boy, or I'll shoot you. Okay, so I you know, I kind of like hiked up my pants a little bit, my knees, and I got I got down, you know, on the on my knees, and I leaned forward, the blood's pissing out of my head, all the side of my face, in my ear, down my neck, all over my shirt. It's coming out pretty good. And um I got down on the floor, man. I looked at them, and they're all laying on the floor, and they're looking at me, and I said, You guys are a bunch of fucking pussies. You know? Then the door flies open, and like 30 cops come running in, right? They start running around hand trying to handcuff us and shit. So I think you get a kick out of this, they go, Hey, guys trying to put the cups on me, right? And it's the same cop who gave in my commissary four days earlier, John. So he says to me, Goldsmith, what did I tell you? What did I say?

SPEAKER_03 37:08

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

I says, Man, what the what I said, what the fuck? What do you want from me, man? Yeah, and he goes, All you had to do is ask us for help. I said, I don't ask for help, right? No big deal, man. I handled it. I did, I think I handled it. Yeah, yeah, so so he says, What the hell? He couldn't get the cups around my wrist, John. My wrist was so big, yeah. He says, Hey Lieutenant, I can't get the cups on this big guy. And he goes, Oh, big boy there, you got to use shackles on his on his wrist.

SPEAKER_01 37:43

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 37:44

So they put the shackles on, which is kind of cool, John, because they're they're longer for you to walk. So my hands actually come back up to my pockets, right? You know. So they come down there, they wrap gauze around my head where my head was bleeding. Mary knew about my fucking finger. It was my it was my middle finger and my right hand. His tooth was sticking out of it. I thought it was my bone. And then the lieutenant says, We gotta go up to the infirmary. I said, Okay. And he goes, You want to ride on the ambulance? John, it was a four-wheel cart, like a golf cart.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

Bro, and it had a backboard, like one of those flat backboards for a back injury.

SPEAKER_02 38:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:34

Are you ready, bro? Tied down with a couple tie straps and bungee cords, and they wanted me to lay on that to go to the infirmary.

SPEAKER_01 38:41

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_00 38:43

I said, I'll walk.

SPEAKER_01 38:44

How yeah, really. Yeah. How bad was the uh were the injuries?

SPEAKER_00 38:49

You know what's funny, bro. The lieutenant says, I'm gonna walk you up there, I'm gonna walk with you. He says, Are you gonna be are you gonna be cool? I says, What do you mean? He goes, Well, you ain't gonna attack me or anything. I says, for one thing, I'm handcuffed, you know. I says, second, and second of all, why would I attack you, LT? That's what I call him. You little little southern guy, you know, with that accent. Yeah, I said, Why would I attack you? You're just doing your job, you didn't do shit to me. Right, you didn't hit me in the head with no fucking rock. And he goes, All right, that's good to know. So I walk with him all the way up to the infirmary, and then he opened the door, let me in. And the one guy goes, Man, we gotta call a doctor, get his head stitched up or staples in there or something. And this other nurse is a guy, he said, Nah, we'll just clean it up, hold on, and I'll glue it. Yeah, he just wiped, wiped just the wound, all the dry blood on my face and in my ears and shit. They left that on me.

SPEAKER_01 39:47

Really?

SPEAKER_00 39:48

Yeah, because when I got to the hole, the porter, he he's an inmate. He walked up to my window and he looked in. He goes, Oh man, dude, are you all right? Do you need anything? I don't realize this is all over my face and my neck yet in my ear. Then when I started going like dad, and then I seen all the crusty blood and shit. Yeah, I said to him, Man, they didn't give me nothing. No blankets, no sheets, not even, not even a mattress, bro.

SPEAKER_01 40:17

And he says, How was the pain though from the from the head injury?

SPEAKER_00 40:22

It was pretty much gone. I didn't, I didn't really, you know. He says to me, Do you think you have a uh he said we're gonna send you back to the to the unit right now? You could go to sleep. I said, Go to sleep, man. What if I have a brain concussion?

SPEAKER_03 40:39

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

He leaned forward and he says, Do you think you have a brain concussion? Oh my and I said, Well, I said, Well, I don't know, I'm I'm not a doctor. And he goes, Yeah, either am I. Oh god. He squeezes my head together, glues my head, holds it, he's blowing on it. He goes, There it is, it's done. And then he said, Yep, you're free to go. I put my hand up and says, What about this? And then he sees that little bone sticking out of my finger right there. And I'm like, it's hard to see, but on my hand, I my whole finger is white from where his tooth took, you know, gave me a scar.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:19

So he goes, What is that? I said, I think it's my bone. He grabbed the tweezers and it pulled right out. And he goes, It's a tooth. And I said, I knew I got that pump good. And they were all laughing because they seen the videos, so they're laughing. They said, You kill those guys. And I said, What about my finger? And sure enough, John, yeah, I got blood poisoning out the finger. My finger stayed like this. You would have thought I was flipping you off 24-7 a day. My middle finger stayed like this, right?

SPEAKER_01 41:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

For a month.

SPEAKER_01 41:50

For a month. Do you remember why did they target you?

SPEAKER_00 41:54

Uh I think this. I heard I heard two different things, John. First, I heard I don't know how true this is. I heard that a bunch of the hell's handles got together in California and they paid those guys ten thousand dollars to kill me. Obviously, they didn't do it, they couldn't do it. But that's one thing I got from one of the guys that was with them guys that quit later, and I met him at work, and he told me that. He told me that. Is when the judge gave me the two to five, and I turn around, was walking out of the courtroom. I walked by, you know, the woman prosecutor. She was uh big, big C-word. You know what I mean? The biggest of the C-word. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And as I walked by Johnny, I called her that. Oh. So when I got in the next room, man, the bailiff was laughing. He said, She is something else. And I said, Well, I let her know what I think of her. Yeah, she got me back. You know why? She walked out of that courtroom and I was already sentenced, right? That's what they wanted. The president of the Hells Angels. He got me. Yeah, going to prison. When I walked out, John, the press was all there. Tons of people from the press. And they said, What happened to that? She goes, Uh, Mr. Goldsmith's going to prison for two to five years. He's been thrown out of the Hells Angels, which I wasn't. I quit.

SPEAKER_01 43:29

Right.

SPEAKER_00 43:29

She was thrown out of the Hells Angels for making statements to the police. Oh, that's that's how she got me, John. Oh man. Yeah, you figure it out, right? So those guys are in prison. They get the newspaper.

SPEAKER_04 43:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:45

Did it? So then I heard a rumor. Hey, that dude's a snitch. He's a snitch.

SPEAKER_01 43:51

And that's where it came from. Yeah, probably. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:54

So hey, in a long in the long run, John, she got me. She got me. I didn't get her. She got me twice.

SPEAKER_01 44:01

Really? She sent me to prison and got me joked. And she got the shit kicked out of you. That's unbelievable. Yeah. So now um, what happens uh when you finally get out of uh of of prison? How did you adjust from prison to regular life?

SPEAKER_00 44:21

Well, first of all, let me tell you this, bro, that nobody seems to know this, and I try to clarify this. It was kind of it was kind of shitty, brother. They stick you up in the hole. I'm up there, man. I was there, Johnny, for about 41, 42 days. Finally, one of the times the lieutenant walks by and I go, hey, LT, why am I locked up in here? Why am I locked up in here? I I couldn't figure it out. I got jumped, I defended myself. But then again, at the wedding, that dude pulled the knife out. I lit him up. You know what I mean? Like a birthday cake.

SPEAKER_02 44:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:59

And uh next thing I'm standing in front of the judge getting two to five. So I don't believe in the justice system whatsoever. But in the prison, the lieutenant got the warden. They came, they pulled me out, they brought me in, you know, this little office they have there. And the warden says, Man, Mr. Goldsmith, I do not know what to do with you. I go, what do you mean? He says, Well, I got 20, 24, 25 kites dropped to me saying that they're gonna kill you, they're gonna stab you, they're gonna do this, they're gonna do that. I've got them all, and I had to put them. He said, They're all under fake back numbers and fake names. So they didn't even really use the real names or back numbers, right? But they sent them to the warden and he said, I have to stick those in your file. I said, So, what does that mean? He said, What that means is if I put you back in the yard and they kill you, your family's gonna sue the state of Nevada prison systems for millions of dollars because we're gonna open up your file and say, Look, they warned you they were gonna kill him, you put them out there anyway. Get it? So I'm sitting there, John, and he says to me, I'm gonna send you to Lovelock where OJ Simpson is. And I said, Okay, when? He goes, Wednesday. I'll send you out Wednesday morning on a bus. I said, All right. So I'm waiting, Wednesday comes and goes. Nothing. I'm still there, John. He comes in, he says, They didn't have any bets for you, Mr. Gold, so I'm sorry I couldn't send you there. I said, now what? And he goes, I don't know, we're just we're gonna have to play by ear. And then about three more days went by, and one day they just yell on speakers, go, Smith, roll up your roll up your stuff. I roll up, you roll up all your you know, your blankets and all your shit. And I pushed in, and they come in with a cart on wheels, and you put your uh tub on there and you pull the string while you're in handcuffs and you pull it behind you, you know. And we walked down. I said, Where am I going? And they says, just shut up when you get there, you'll know it. And I got one on each side of me holding my arms, and I'm belly changed, you know.

SPEAKER_03 47:28

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 47:29

So we get down to this unit. It was, I told you I used to be in unit 10. Now they brought me down to unit eight, eight, and seven, or seven A, seven B, eight A, eight B. So they were sticking me in seven A. And we came in the yard. I see these guys playing handball, and I said, Hey, what yard is this? One of the guys goes, Yeah, that's a PC yard. I turned to the cop and I said, You ain't PCing me up. I'll sign a waiver to go to the yard. And he goes, You're not going to PC. And I said, That guy just told me this is P. He goes, This is a PC yard. Uh, he goes, 7B, 8A, and 8B, those are all people like like he said, the snitches, child molesters. You're going to 7A. It's the only unit back here for dropouts. And just to show you, John, how stupid I was the whole thing. I'm thinking dropouts. I graduated from high school. I even went to college. What dropout? I said, I ain't no dropout. He goes, You didn't drop out of your gang. And I went, Oh, that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

So when I went in there, there was like a couple outlaws, there was a Hessian, there was two goggles, there was a Sons of Silence. There's a whole bunch of them there. Nortanos, Serenos, Crips, Bloods, bro, you name it, they're all in there. And believe me, none of the killing ever stopped. They were still stabbing each other back in that unit. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:09

Um, what is what does PC mean? Protective custody. Oh, okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 49:15

And it's usually four rats and shit like that.

SPEAKER_02 49:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:18

So when somebody said, Oh, I heard Goldsmith went to PC. I didn't go because I asked to go. So I told one of them, a dub guys that worked in the the gym. When I would go to the gym, they worked in this this like poles caged thing where you could go up and buy shit with your uh your ID. And I went over and one of them was talking to me, and he just it was right at the very end, John. Very end. Like I was like in my 28th month of being there. Uh and his I'll never forget his name is Rebel. And he walked, he walks up to me, he goes, Pee-wee. I looked at him and I said, Yeah, and he goes, Yeah, my name's Rebel. He said, I hold the keys to this yard, meaning, you know, he's the shock caller for the A dubs, and he really wasn't a bad dude, man. And I said, Yeah, so I'm thinking what does he want, you know? So and he says, I just want you to know what happened to you was fucking wrong. It shouldn't have happened. You're not that guy. You should be out here, man. Not back there. Right. I said, Oh, you guys put me back here with a dry snitch. That's a dry snitch, John.

SPEAKER_03 50:29

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 50:30

You know, I mean, I don't personally call the cops on you, but I send them a letter about you.

SPEAKER_03 50:35

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 50:37

So, you know, long, long short of it, that's that's what really bothered me, John. And then every time, you know, the feds came, the feds came one time to see me over something another ex-hell's angel said about me. And uh the feds came uh and I told them I got nothing to say to him, and shit, they offered me five thousand dollars, get out early. I was already like there eight 28 months. Yeah, how come I get out early? So I told them I'm not interested, and they said if I come to work for them, they pay me five thousand dollars a month. I said, Doing what? And he said, All I'd have to do is get up and speak uh at seminars for the feds. I said, I can't do it, I ain't doing it. And he says, Uh well, you got your buddy Pat doing it now, Pat Matter, you know. And I go, Well, good for him.

SPEAKER_03 51:30

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

I said, I ain't doing it, man, because I gotta walk around with my head high, man. I ain't doing it. And they were like, This is your last chance. Uh, and I just made the comment, you should have called because they were from Louisville, Kentucky. Yeah, and they came all the way to Nevada. I said, You guys should have called before you came. And he and then they let me go back to my cell, you know. Yeah, but it was something he said that I did that I didn't, that was in his book, and then Peds wanted to know about it. Uh so because I didn't play ball with him, I stayed on longer, like two months longer. Okay, and then oh, and then the day came, John, of my parole and went away. I was still there. So I said, Hey, what happened? I thought I was supposed to get out today. Oh, let me check on it for you. Oh, you're leaving this Thursday morning. Okay, Thursday morning comes, John comes, goes, it's gone. Holy shit. Hey, bro, I'm starting to think I ain't getting out of here, right? Yeah, right. So I'm like, okay. So I go talk to my social worker, I go, hey Riggs, what the what the fuck's going on? He goes, He keeps screwing up. He said, This Thursday, you're being released, so be ready at 5 a.m. Now you know I was John, but it's funny because uh there's a big black CO in there. His name is Brian, he's cool as shit, man. He was a cool dude, and uh he walked by my cell one time. I was pounding my celly, and he looked and he put his head over like, you know, but but yeah, he was cool because he knew this guy was a dickhead I was in there with. So Brian was really cool. He says to me, I'm gonna have the funnest day of my life tomorrow. I said, What's that? Why is that? He said, I'm gonna go around and collect all the shit you gave away, you know, like my razor, my headphone.

SPEAKER_02 53:29

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:30

You know what I mean? My my uh my fan, my bowls, all my shit. Yeah, so really you're not supposed to give anything away, John, that has your back number on it. That will cause another felony to this guy, right? I gave everything away except my TV, Billy, because I knew he was gonna take it, right? So I took the TV with me and I sold it to somebody, right? Little 13-inch TV, 350 bucks. Yeah, so uh I gave all the shit away, and um that night I gave this white kidney in cash my flip-flops because I was the only guy, bro, that had Nike, Nike flip-flops, right? Everybody else had the orange prison shoes, yeah. Right, I had Nikes, so I kicked them off and I gave him this guy cash. I said, Here you can have them, and he took them to his cell. I'm laying on my bed that night, man, watching TV. I hear a knock on my window, I look there, there's Brian, huh? He's holding the flip-flops up, he starts laughing, walks away. So he already he already got the flip-flops, you know. So, you know, he said goodbye to me. He said, You'll never you'll never be back here. And I said, Yeah, that next morning, are you ready for this, brother? That next morning, I'm sitting here, John, 5 a.m. You know, my shit's packed. I just gave all my shit away.

SPEAKER_03 54:58

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 55:00

My shit's packed, bro. I gave uh shirts, pants away, everything I could. All I had on was one shirt to walk out of a prison shirt and a pair of uh blue jean pants and my tennis shoes. That was it, and that TV. And um, I'm waiting, John. I'm waiting. Oh, it's six, seven, eight o'clock. Guys come back from child, they're all walking around. I'm like, what the fuck? I hit the they got a panic button in your cell. Like if you're being raped or something, you're like, hey, I'm about being bugged.

SPEAKER_03 55:38

Right, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 55:39

Or you're getting beat up or something like that. So I hit the I hit the button, right? And he goes, What do you want? I said, Hey, uh, I'm supposed to get out of here today. I was supposed to leave this morning. You are I go, Yeah, and he goes, Let me check on it. I'm like, you come on, man. Yeah, so he comes back and he says, Get your shit rolled up, you're leaving. Hey, I'm already rolled up, ready to go. Yeah, it went that was three hours ago, dude. Yeah, yeah. So the door opens up, bro. I walk out, they take me upstairs, uh, operations, and they put me in another cell there. Then they come, they take your bed, your tub, and all that shit away. And I all I have was a TV sitting there. Man, of all shit, John. I couldn't believe it. I'm sitting there. There was this one guy that was in there. Thank God I didn't do this. Thank God I couldn't like grow hair that you know, we're bald because we're bald, right? Because these guys who grew these big giant beards and shit. Yeah, when you're checking out, John, you better look like the picture they took you when you came in, or you ain't the same guy, bro.

SPEAKER_01 56:55

You ain't going out. That's it.

SPEAKER_00 56:57

This ain't John. This guy's got fucking long hair and a beard.

SPEAKER_01 57:00

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:01

So they do. I was gonna say, man, I don't think you can see it on here, but I I still got my old prison idea. Uh, I gotta, I gotta show it to you if you can see it on here. Yeah, you'll you'll crack up, bro. And I do look like Uncle Testis. But uh, so the guys that had beards, John, they made them shave them off again, right?

SPEAKER_03 57:22

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 57:24

So um at the time I had big I had a big uh goatee again, so I shaved that thing off. Then I just screwed the handlebars and I I got out of there. But uh it was it was it was just it was funny, bro. They they they put us in a side cell and they come over and they tell us, all right, before we let you guys go, you gotta strip down and we gotta do a strip uh search on you. What for I'm leaving?

SPEAKER_02 57:54

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 57:54

You know what the hell could I stick up my ass, John, so bad in that prison. Take home with me. Yeah, yeah, right. So with that being said, bro, I was pissed. So I had to get Andress one last time, you know, do the old bag lip, popping out the ass. It's it's really humiliating. That is the most humiliating thing in prison. It is, and you gotta do it constantly, bro. So it's very humiliating. How do you like to be a cop? You know, I couldn't do it, bro. I couldn't do it. So anyway, uh I had to do a final search, uh, strip search. They came back in, he said, get dressed. I got dressed, standing there, they put the belly chains on me. I'm just standing there waiting. The warden walks by and he says, Take care, Mr. Goldsmith. That was it. You know, if you would have played ball, you would have been out of here a lot earlier. I thought, you son of a bitch.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

He was fucking with you.

SPEAKER_00 58:57

Oh well, bro. He's saying if I I would play ball with those feds, they're gonna let me out. But because I told the feds of you know, fall up.

SPEAKER_01 59:08

Oh, I see what you're saying. Okay, uh you meant he was dicking around with your release.

SPEAKER_00 59:13

Oh, he was, yeah, he was, bro. Basically, he was, and then what hurt me the worst, bro. And I forgot to tell you is when when um somebody told me that about five of those guys, those uh airing witnesses, they went into uh my son Brad's room, and they said, Hey, we're gonna fuck your dad up. You got a problem with it? And I this is what I was told, okay? That my son said, No, do whatever you gotta do. I just want to do my time and get out of here. That crushed me, John. That hurt me very bad. And you know, if they would have came in my room and said, We're gonna fuck up your son, Brad. I'd have got off my bum and said, Why? What's going on? As soon as I got cold, so it was gonna be on like Donkey Kong, right? And we're on a second tier, you know, I'm throwing motherfuckers off the tier, you know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was always great, king of the wrath, trust me. So when I heard he said that, I was like, No way, no way, yeah. And he avoided me like the plague in there, and you know, he hasn't talked to me since 2014.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:18

Really? Yeah, I'm sorry to hear that, man.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:23

It is what it is, John.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:25

But did not you know what?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:26

Maybe he's ashamed, maybe it's a shame to face me. I I'll never forget, but I can forgive, brother. You know, and I reached out to him a couple times, and you know, like I just said, hey, Merry Christmas, Dad, and he just said, Merry Christmas. Yeah, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:43

Very cold.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:44

So I'm not gonna I'm not gonna bust my balls, John, trying to kiss ass because I I don't do that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:50

That's right, yeah. Well, and it's your son, it's right, it's rough.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:52

I'm gonna be sad. And this guy walking down, I was trying to tell you, this guy walking down mopping the hall, he said, Hey, you PB? And I said, Yeah, and he goes, Yeah, man, my name's New York. Uh I'm in here on double homicide. And I said, Yeah, and he goes, Yeah, man, he says, uh, your your kid Brad's a piece of shit. And I said, Hey man, keep it to yourself. And he goes, No, man, they came in and asked him, they're told him they were gonna mess you up, and he said, Yeah, do what you gotta do. He said, Blood's thicker than water, man. That kid should have stuck up for you. Wow, I said, Whatever. I'm gonna tell you this, John. Seriously, when he walked away, man, I had tears in my eyes, man, because I I I just couldn't see my own son doing that.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:43

Yeah, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:45

Tell me as much as you know me right now, John. Just with us talking on a podcast, I consider you my friend. I haven't done a podcast in a while, bro. But I said I'll do yours because you turned me on a lot. You opened a lot of doors for me. You did. I did. I want to thank you. Um even that lady, I wish I would have hired that lady that you turned me on, she was super cool. Oh right, yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:12

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:13

She was super cool, man. And I should have stuck with her, bro, because she would have probably been getting me money for the podcast things, you know. So I just stopped doing it for all. But when you call, I said that's Johnny, I'll do John, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:24

I appreciate that, man. Thank you. Yeah, see um she handles a lot of uh she she manages a lot of guys that you know, uh a lot of mob guys, uh, you know, and she gets them on podcasts and she uh you know manages them and whatnot. Um, but yeah, I didn't uh I'm glad that some good you know came out of it, you know, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:46

Yeah, and you know, like I said, I've done quite a few uh podcasts for uh for uh Billy, you know, Stacks, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he called me too. I told him I said, I'm doing one tonight with John. He's tell John I said, What's up?

SPEAKER_01 1:02:59

Yeah, he's a good dude. I haven't talked to him in a while, but he's a good, he's a good dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:03

Yeah, you know, but when he goes, Oh, I'll do one with you. I was like, Back up, dude. I'm doing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:09

Yeah, I gotta, I gotta shoot him a text. I haven't spoken to him, but uh no man, I'm glad. Um, and how you're doing otherwise now, as far as health and and and uh you know uh you know your life in general, just bodies breaking down, bro.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:24

That's why honestly I'm telling you this, man. I'm gonna be 70 this year, and you know, my whole life I lifted weights, even when I was 450, people couldn't believe it because they'd say, What did you weigh there? 200 three, they'd say like 280, 300 pounds. Because you know, I was I was juicing. You I told you a long time ago, I was juicing, I was benching over five, and I mean, I was just so strong, yeah. You know, I mean, bro, I could pick up the heaviest you could imagine.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:52

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:53

I was picking up the back end of cars and dropping them, and the shocks were coming right through the back end of the cars, and everything's like freaking out, you know. That's how strong I was. Yeah, but it comes with a price, and I think I'm paying it now, John.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:05

Oh, it's that bad.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:06

Everything's falling apart. I've had my shoulders replaced, my knees placed, now my hips taking a shit.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:12

Oh man, that sucks.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:14

Hell yeah, man. They burned me up at a fire, they're gonna charge extra, you know, for the metal they gotta get rid of.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:20

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:21

Yeah, I'm gonna see. See if uh I'm gonna see. I'm gonna turn this light so it's a little brighter if you can see it. I don't know if you can see the shot in here. Wait a minute. Let me get um see if I get it over.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:31

Oh, there we go. Okay, oh yeah, I see it. You're uh wait a minute.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:35

Wait, there it is.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:36

Oh my god, yeah. There you are.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:39

Okay, that's my prison. Uh and see it's broken half.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:43

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:44

I had to tape it. I had to tape it, Johnny, because in prison, you know, when you when you uh when you do your spreads, you gotta cut your sausage and shit. You ain't got a knife, you gotta use your ID. Oh god, it's not broken half.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:57

Oh wow. Uh Charles, man, I I really appreciate you coming on, man. Uh you're it's always a great interview. Uh uh, always love and respect for you, really.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:07

You too, brother. And I'm living through you, man. When I see you in the gym, you motivate me, bro.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:12

Good. I'm glad. I'm glad I'm glad I do that. Uh really. You know what's funny is that um I always think about how I the people that I interview uh uh affect me, and the people that I interview, you know, inspire me. I never think of it the other way around. And I'm I'm happy that uh there is that part of it because I never think that I'm going to, you know, uh inspire somebody or motivate somebody, but I'm glad that there is uh you know that the that end of it, you know? And uh it it keeps me going, even though I'm not Joe Rogan, it keeps it keeps the it keeps me going. It keeps me uh pushing pushing the the channel, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:55

Yeah, like I said, you were my first podcaster. Remember that when you call me. Yeah, and I was just like, I haven't done any well. No, I I think I did one with that uh Vegas Rick, and I only did with him because he cleared my name. He said, I read this guy's paper, he didn't run out of nobody.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:12

I was like, Thank god, somebody sucks. Finally, yeah, right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:15

But you know, you gave me a lot of names, the podcast, people that I reached out to, and so it was all good. I mean, I appreciated it, and you and me hit it off. So when I'm scrolling through and I see you in the gym listening to music, working out, I'm like, get it, get it, Johnny. I usually try to say something to you, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:32

You know, I hit a like or something like that, but I appreciate it, man. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:36

Keep up the work, brother. Keep up the work.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:38

We'll definitely uh we'll do it again. Uh, and we'll keep it, we'll keep in touch. Uh and um I'll when this when this new interview comes out, I'll I'll send it over to you and I'll I'll share it to you on Facebook and whatnot.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:51

All right, John.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:52

All right, thanks, Charles. I appreciate it, man. All right, thanks a lot, bro. You got it later.