Exclusive interview: Samantha Mack

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

All right. I have a beautiful guest on Sirius Outcast. I'm your host, John Livia, and we have Samantha Mack. How are you?

SPEAKER_02 0:10

Wonderful.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

I'm really glad you did this. Um, you have a huge following. Um, it's I think you have almost a half a million uh friends on Instagram, followers on Instagram.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:23

You've been in social media for a long time. So tell me about this past weekend. You had, before we get like into your background, I want to know about the past this past weekend. You had an event called uh what was it, uh, Christmas in July?

SPEAKER_03 0:38

I did, I did. So um uh I'm also Mrs. Claus, and my version of Mrs. Claus is um not designed for children. I mean, children are welcome, but we don't right, that's not what we're here for. So I do a lot of right, I do a lot of um charity events, but I do a lot of comedy that's related to the adult viewer, and that's because come Christmas time, when it's time to do Operation Santa Claus, the Angel Tree, I don't want money from children, I want money from adults. That's what I got talked to. That's who my fans are. Right. So I spend the whole year being Mrs. Claus and then come the Christmas season, those people are who pays for Operation Santa Claus and the Angel Tree. So in previous years, we gave away scooters and skateboards, like by the hundreds. And so this year, my goal, um, I said a thousand skateboards this year, but I don't know if skateboards are cool anymore.

SPEAKER_00 1:33

I have no idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:34

So I gotta kind of see what the kids want.

SPEAKER_00 1:35

Um, I know that was when that was big when I was a kid. Yeah, you're right. I don't know if they they do that anymore. You're right.

SPEAKER_03 1:41

Yeah, I try to pick like a genre and then I go after sponsors to get like a bunch of that item, and then I go through the entire angel tree and through all the Operation Santa Claus letters, and I try to find every kid that wants whatever I have a bunch of.

unknown 1:52

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:52

And then those are that's who we gift. So I don't deal with directly with kids at all. Um, but last weekend was Christmas in July, which is like my big kickoff to the Christmas season. So I know it's weird Christmas season in July, but uh it works because I have months of work ahead of me. So everything you see in December usually took place in like late October, early November.

SPEAKER_00 2:14

Oh, okay, okay, very cool, very cool. Um, speaking of sponsors, I actually saw your Instagram. You're a big gym person too, like me.

SPEAKER_03 2:23

I've been, I've you know what, you probably don't even know that. I competed back in the day.

SPEAKER_00 2:27

Really?

SPEAKER_03 2:28

2006, 7, 8, and 10. And then I tried to compete again in 2019. COVID took that opportunity away from me.

SPEAKER_00 2:36

Oh, that's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_03 2:37

And I've been wanting to go back and compete in masters ever since. Because I haven't been on stage since 2010.

SPEAKER_00 2:43

No, what category? Because this is a lot of women's categories.

SPEAKER_03 2:46

Okay, so this 2006 was when your options were figure, fitness, and bikini. No, bikini wasn't an option yet. Figure fitness and women's bodybuilding.

SPEAKER_00 2:56

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 2:57

So that's how old I am. Bikini wasn't even an option yet.

SPEAKER_00 3:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 3:01

And so I competed in fitness, so I did the one-arm push-ups and the back hand springs and the big routines.

SPEAKER_00 3:05

Very cool, really.

SPEAKER_03 3:07

That was super fun, and that was my superpower. Like, I could I could dance, so I had the routine down pat, and then my body was like, eh, my body's only half my score. So I ended up always placing really, really well because my routines were bang on every time.

SPEAKER_00 3:22

That's fantastic. Well, the are they fit in the women's fitness and uh women's bodybuilding are the two that I'm most interested in in the women's divisions because one, I'm a bodybuilding fan, and the fit the fitness girls is just really impressive.

SPEAKER_03 3:37

It's so impressive. I don't like fitness anymore because I don't want to do push-ups and jump around anymore. I'm old, I'm very old.

SPEAKER_00 3:43

Um join the club, don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_03 3:46

But I saw there's like so many new categories, like the wellness category, and like um, what is there a Kirby model category now?

SPEAKER_00 3:52

There's wellness, there is, I forgot what they call that one. The new one, you're right. I mean, there's physique, there's uh yeah, bikini, there's body. There's so many, it's just a money grab for the NPC and the IFBB. That's really all it is. It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 4:05

But what as long as they give me a hunk of metal, then they can have the money.

SPEAKER_00 4:09

You want to know what uh what's funny is I I'm so old that my first show, because I did four contests, my first NPC show, uh, there was uh women only had two choices bodybuilding and fitness. That's yeah, and and no there was very few girls that did fitness. Uh and there was they you would barely get women bodybuilders, you know. So those are the only two choices back then.

SPEAKER_03 4:36

Well, and I was lucky because there's so many short girls, and I'm five foot five and three-quarters, but that's three quarters makes me the the shortest of the tall girls, right? So which is a benefit when you're like putting a tall person next to a short person. Obviously, the short person looks more muscular, right? Yeah, so when I got that quarter inch pushed me into the tall category, I was like, yes, oh that's fan.

SPEAKER_00 4:57

I didn't know that about you. So I'm assuming you use supplements, so I have to do a quick plug of my sponsor. Um, Nutrafit. Uh, these are all the supplements that I use. So for people that's listening, that's N-U-T-R-I-F-I-T-T. Um, this is some of the is the pre-work I use Kroba. This is also Crucifix. And I didn't know you were into bodybuilding, uh, Samantha. So I don't know if you've watched my other podcast, but Lee Priest is a really good friend of mine, and he's always on my show. And this is his line.

SPEAKER_03 5:29

I heard that's the one that makes you like super crazy, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:32

Yes. Yeah. If you want to like go to the gym and then put an addition on your house, this is the one you take, right? Uh, and of course, he's gonna have a whole line because his last name is Priest, this one's called Crucifix. So and yeah, so and then he's gonna have another one. I think the intra is coming out soon called Holy Water. But I use this pre-workout because this one's mid-range. I don't want to be crazy, like I don't I need to sleep at night. So this one's like mid-range, and then they have a pretty good uh whey protein too that have vintage muscle, so they're basically pro hormones, and they have all different types, and you put some drops under your tongue, and it could transform into you know Nandrolone or testosterone, you know, fully um uh legal in the United States, and they have all different types. So if you go to vintage muscle, but anyway, um, no, that's fantastic that you're into that. So I didn't know that. So right away you were gonna get along well. That goes without saying so yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:26

I just started working out again recently, like last four months or so.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 6:30

Um, because I I I mean, I think I'm fabulous all the time, I think I'm flawless all the time. And then I saw somebody else's candid video of me where like I'm not like posed towards the camera, and I was like, oh dear god.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

Like for people that work out and competed, I think that's like our kryptonite when you see like a candid shot and you go, Oh, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_03 6:50

I mean well, they always get you in like the worst position, too.

SPEAKER_00 6:53

Yeah, I mean, and and then, or you just like you know, you just look in the mirror and you go, oh, what the fuck, you know.

SPEAKER_03 6:58

Meanwhile, we're so used to looking at ourselves in like one of four poses. Yeah, we're so even at home, like you go past the bandy and you're like yeah, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Oh, I I I do the you know, I do the double buy in the mirror, and I'm not gonna lie, I do that. I try not to do it in the gym because you look ridiculous, but I do in the in the bathroom and whatnot. Um, all right, so let's get into you a little bit. Where did you grow up?

SPEAKER_03 7:21

Oh man, I grew up in Canada.

SPEAKER_00 7:23

Oh, did oh really?

SPEAKER_03 7:24

Okay, yeah, I'm from a small, smaller town in Canada, and uh my best friend had a farm. So I I often tell people like I'm a farm kid because I spent so many days at her place, but I did not have a farm. I just got to hang out with my best friend who had a farm. Oh, compared to people in LA, like that makes me a country girl.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

That's right.

SPEAKER_03 7:43

Like, yeah, so I got to go visit horses, and they're just like, oh my god, you've seen a real horse?

SPEAKER_00 7:48

Yeah, right, right, right, right. I've only been to LA one time and I've been to Canada one time, but it was Montreal. I don't know if that counts.

SPEAKER_03 7:55

Oh, that's very Canadian, but yeah, that's East Coast. Well, that's East ish.

SPEAKER_00 8:00

Yeah, because we just drove for a bachelor's party.

SPEAKER_03 8:03

Very Canadian, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:05

Um, but yeah, and I've been to LA once, and I think LA is kind of like New York. It's like uh, you know, once you drive a few miles out, that's that's the country. You know, you're a country person. It's like you know, they they they've never seen a deer or a horse or anything like that. So, you know, I grew up in Brooklyn, so and I live in Jersey now. So now it's like Jesus, deers, you know, but um, so what was uh what was Samantha Mack like in high school? Were you like a rebel or were you quiet or sports?

SPEAKER_03 8:35

Honey, so um man, I was like, I was always the big girl, you know, the big girl, and I was bigger than the boys, and so they tried to get me play football and rugby, and I wasn't interested, and I tried, I didn't like it. Um and I guess I always tell people like I had fat girl syndrome, so like you had like I wasn't cool enough to be a cool kid, and I was bigger than the boys, the boys didn't like me, and it was but like all my friends were guys because I was basically one of the guys, and so the girls didn't like me, and I was in this like just like an awful little misfit, and so um I became super religious, and I went to church because everyone had to love you at church, and I felt like that's where I fit in. Okay, and my parents didn't go to church, like my family didn't go to church.

SPEAKER_00 9:23

It was like my kind of like act of rebellion, and I went to like you know what's funny is usually girls in your profession are the opposite, they uh they find God after they leave your profession. Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 9:39

No, I I was working at the at the Bible camps and I was teaching Sunday school and going to schallelujah, and it was that was me until graduation basically. I got a full-time job working as a lifeguard, which is like my dream job was to be a lifeguard. And I was a junior lifeguard at 14, I was a lifeguard at 16, and then that makes me really cool when you're 16, you have a car and a full-time job and a full-time paycheck. Oh, yeah, suddenly you're the coolest kid in school. Yeah, and I was like, wait a second, last summer you guys uh would ditch me at the mall.

SPEAKER_00 10:11

You mean the girls?

SPEAKER_03 10:12

They're all banging me my best friend. So I just started working and I worked and I worked and I worked and I worked.

SPEAKER_00 10:17

You're talking about the girls that would ditch you at the mall.

SPEAKER_03 10:19

Oh, yeah, it's so funny. I was doing a podcast a little while ago, and I made a comment on how I was like, you know, when you go to the mall with your friends, and then like they would like hide behind a clothing rack or like in changing room, and then you couldn't find them anymore, and then you realize you've been ditched, so you just kind of like pretend girls are mean, and then they were like, No, we don't know that.

SPEAKER_00 10:38

Our friends have never ditched us, and I was like, Oh yeah, this girls are mean and they're full of shit. I mean, really, guys don't do that, they don't like it, they'll just punch you in the face.

SPEAKER_03 10:48

Yeah, no, girls are are tricky, like they'll pretend to invite you to a birthday party at the movie theater, but then everyone will go to the wave pool instead.

SPEAKER_00 10:55

Like, oh, that's terrible.

SPEAKER_03 10:57

That's growing up.

SPEAKER_00 10:58

That was I have a feeling you've got some redemption.

SPEAKER_03 11:02

You know, I I left as soon as I turned 18. I moved out, I left. I had tons of jobs. I got married really young, I got divorced really young. I held out five jobs at once because my husband wouldn't work. And uh then got divorced, and then I moved to Vancouver and I saw the city for the first time, and I was like, I was never meant to be a country girl, never meant to be a small town girl. Like, I need to be where shit is going on. And so I worked in the city, I worked in radio for a long time. Um, did a bunch of promo, ended up working in a strip club, of course. Um, and I worked everything because I wasn't a waitress, but I was like the door girl, I was the DJ, I was the host, like I was I was a daytime manager for movies that wanted to film there.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

I that was that was that's that's always the uh first step.

SPEAKER_03 11:49

It was it was phenomenal, it was so much fun.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

That was always that's always the first step, like the hat check girl, the shot girl at the door. Yeah, that's always well for me.

SPEAKER_03 12:00

It was I had been losing so much weight because I at that point, like when my husband wasn't working anymore, um, like we got married and he just like got laid off and then didn't get another job. And so I took on five jobs and he just stayed home all day, and I was so depressed that I ended up being, I think I was 232 pounds.

SPEAKER_00 12:18

Wow, really?

SPEAKER_03 12:19

And I was just like, I remember having like three stomach rolls when I sat down and I was just so miserable. And I started working out, I did the Bill Phelps Body for Life program. That's how old I am, and I lost 100 pounds. So I lost 20 pounds, I got a nose ring, I lost 40 pounds, got another nose ring, lost 60 pounds, got a tongue ring, and then for my 100 pounds, I went and took pole dancing class. And having been a lifeguard for so long, I had a ton of upper body strength, so I could do the pole tricks. And so that night they were like, hey, you want to come back and try dancing on stage, like see what happens? And I was like, Okay, so I put together like the craziest outfit I had, which was like a black cardigan and like red lingerie and like red like shorts. And I did some poll tricks and everybody freaked out and they threw so much money on stage. Little did I know that that's how the staff gets you, is that like the staff will come and throw like $300 at once. And I don't know anybody there, right? So I'm like, I just need $1,600 in 10 minutes. Oh my gosh. So I was like, for the first time in my life, I was like, oh my god, I'm the pretty girl, I'm wanted. I'd never been that before. And so I was still teaching swimming lessons by day and then stripping by night, and telling me so much money that there was no point to continue being lifeguard.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 13:37

There's just no point anymore. I was like, I need to wake up, I need to do my hair and makeup, I need to go to the gym, I need to go to channeling, I need to go to the club because all my money is at the club, and you need money in this world to survive.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

Right.

SPEAKER_03 13:47

And so I uh I worked that club, I went on tour, I learned what touring was. So in Canada, stripping is very different than America. I should always clarify that first. So for me, touring meant that I had like a full SUV full of promo. I had t-shirts, lighters, magnets, uh, box of shorts, posters, coloring books, like I had everything with my image on it. And this is and and it was tagged with my MySpace page.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

I didn't have a website.

SPEAKER_03 14:15

I just follow me on MySpace. That's all I had.

SPEAKER_00 14:18

Yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_03 14:19

And um, we had to do theme shows. So if you were the future dancer, you had to do 20-minute shows and full feature costumes, full themes. So if you came out in like a big Spanish flamenco dress, you would have to do a full floor show that matched that. So you'd end up getting naked and you put a sombrero on, and it was like filled with cheesy guacamole, and then like you had it to the audience and they could like after that or whatever. Um, so we did huge themes. I had like a whole Elvira theme where like I got stuck in a web and it was a PVC web that got cut off me. And it was really cool and sexy and creative, but like you felt like a show girl. And then I came to America and realized what strippers were.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

That's like totally different worlds.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

Like, this is basically naked burlesque versus like lap dance artists, yeah. And in Vancouver, West Coast, um, east coast twerking was a big thing. West Coast, that would get you fired. If you walked and your butt and your thighs shook at all, you were fired for being too fat.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

Really?

SPEAKER_03 15:17

Yeah. Nowadays, girls can twerk anywhere. You twerk all over the world, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

Right.

SPEAKER_03 15:23

It was very Pamela Anderson. Like your thighs, your hips, your legs, all the things I see what you're saying. We were allowed to have big tits, nothing else. Yeah, and the amount of times I got fired for being too fat when I was like real thin and competing in fitness. Like I would do a few.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

But you know, in your in your defense, that was just the trend. Men like curves. It was exactly where I was men like curves, and and that's that was just the trend. But it would get fired.

SPEAKER_03 15:48

I remember a guy came into the club and he's like, Oh, you thick. I was fired on the spot because he thought that I could yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

You know, I had interviewed uh uh Sarah J, and um she's probably around our age, and she said when she broke into adult entertainment, the only uh the only production companies that would hire her were the black ones because they were looking for thick white girls. Yeah, and then obviously it changed over time, but she like I said, she's probably the same age, but during that time, like you said, stick figure with giant boobs, that was the trend. That was it. And uh now, thank you, Lord, things have changed, and now it's just curvy everywhere.

SPEAKER_03 16:30

So yeah, yeah, thank goodness, and that's one thing I say like moving to California is one of the greatest things I could have ever done for my self-esteem. Because like I've been told that I had a fat ass since I was like 19 years old in the strip club, but the truth is I didn't, I had a flat ass. I didn't get booty until I saw Dr. G Rockstar B. Like, it's not, it's crazy what we thought was like obese and like oh, it's so big. That's what makes a lot of talks about, and then you like come somewhere else, and you're like, oh no, like I had a flat ass this whole time. So it was um it was eye-opening coming to like a place where there's different cultures and different opinions of like the opinions of women's bodies, and I was like, Oh, I fit here. This is nice. Like, I've and that's the thing, like I still always wanted to fit in, but um, but yeah, like Sarah J being American was able to be in the industry where you could go to an agent or a management company and get with a studio in Canada, it was not like that, and it's still not like that to this day.

SPEAKER_00 17:28

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 17:29

Um, you had to basically build your own back, that isn't my space. You had to build your own website and you had to put your own clips out and then find your customers and make them fans. So we were building websites and writing code.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Yeah, back then that was you know, now it's that is common. Back then that was not common. Maybe it was common in Canada, but not in the States.

SPEAKER_03 17:48

So yeah, and it was it was crazy. Like I had to go and fight with um the CDC and like make them give us um occupational STI testing, which was unheard of back in the day. And there was previous happenings in Vancouver that caused them to shut down the entire um adult industry. And so I had to go and talk with a bunch of lawyers and be like, hey, like this is what women are doing now. We need to make it safe for them. Like, just because this company, run by a bunch of dudes who didn't know what they were doing, did bad things doesn't mean that we're doing bad things by ourselves with our webcams. So what people don't know is that like I was the voice of safe sex basically for years, talking with the CBC, going to legal meetings, talking with the city council, like standing up for women's rights so that we could put our kids on the internet and make our own money.

SPEAKER_00 18:37

And that got bigger and bigger made. Why is that? Why is it it's a straight it's a strange question? Why is how can I say how can I say this? I'm I I want to I want to pose the question appropriately. Why is expressing sexuality, extremely expressing sexuality like yourself or Sarah J, why is that empowering to a woman?

SPEAKER_03 19:08

Because you can make a lot of money really quickly and you can't get a lot of money.

SPEAKER_00 19:11

Oh, so it's just it's just a monetizer monetization reason then.

SPEAKER_03 19:14

It's not just that makes sense to me.

SPEAKER_00 19:16

That's a that's a honest answer. That's probably the most that's probably the most honest answer I've gotten from any girl that I've interviewed from an adult any adult content.

SPEAKER_03 19:26

Well, if you think about it, the adult industry is one of the only ones that's really led by women. Men get paid less, women get paid more. You know, if you don't have a woman in your video, you're not really making money.

SPEAKER_00 19:36

Yeah, no, you're a stuff. Yeah, I think modeling too, modeling women, uh the very few careers that women make a lot more money than than the men do.

SPEAKER_03 19:45

And we also set the standards, like we tell you what you get, and you say thank you. And like we're making the videos, we put it out there, and then you buy it if you like it, you don't if you don't, but you don't have a say until now when everything's gone to hell with OnlyFans, but whatever.

SPEAKER_00 20:00

Okay. But I I that is a very honest answer, and I appreciate that answer, actually.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Yeah, I mean, think about it. Like every other job, if it's feminized, you get paid less. Like, think about teachers. It's a very feminine job to be a teacher, which is why all teachers, including the men, get paid less than they deserve. Nursing is the same thing, you get paid a lot a lot less than they deserve because it's a feminine job.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Adult entertainment is a compassionate, it's a compassionate job, you know.

SPEAKER_03 20:27

I was thinking about that. Any job where women start to take the roles more than the men, the value goes down, except adult entertainment.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Yeah, well, and I I yeah, okay. I agree on that because men are the ones paying for adult entertainment. Yeah, like I men are kind of stupid. Oh no, it's if if there weren't for if it wasn't for Simps, you guys would have no money. It's it's amazing how many guys just love and watch OnlyFans, and and it's just it's it's it's really men that it's men's instinct, it's their uh fantasy, it's so on and so forth. There's very few, there's very few guys like like me, for example, who are extremely busy. Like this is my second job. You know, I work a full-time job, then I go to the gym, and then I, you know, I'm married, I come home, the house, blah, blah, blah. And then I got I'm podcasting almost every night. You know, most guys go to work, come home, and then they go, okay, I'm bored, my wife doesn't want to have sex with me anymore. Only fans. Right. Right, right, porn hub. What made you make the step from the content you were making early on to doing, you know, more hardcore stuff?

SPEAKER_03 21:43

Um, there was like TM before there was TMZ, there was a website going around after it was fall. Um, and they put out a bunch of fake stories about me being a porn star before I ever was.

SPEAKER_00 21:52

Really?

SPEAKER_03 21:52

And yeah, there were tons and tons of news articles. You search my name, and the first thing that came up was like, you know, she just did a gangbang series. Can only see it here, and they would link you to like a site that would put a Trojan horse on your on your computer and you'd be ruined. So it's early 2000s. Um, and then they've said, like, oh, you know, like her husband's divorcing her, she has three kids, and they're all embarrassed by her. I was 21, I didn't have any kids. And all these crazy stories are being made up about me, and everyone was calling me a slut and a whore. Because back in the 2000s, like it was top secret if you did anything at all. Even at the strip club, you would go in looking like a homeless person, go get changed, stripped, and then leave looking like a homeless person. Like nobody knew what you did, nobody knew what your stage name was. Like, it was hush hush. And I was the girl at conventions being like, No, this company does bachelor parties, and you can hire these girls, and these are different costumes. And I was the first girl to be like, I'm smith that I'm a stripper. And that turned into the TMZ basically being like, Oh, well, she's obviously a whore, she's obviously got so much porn out there. And and they gave me titles. Like, I would be dancing at a club somewhere, and they'd be like, Oh, uh Miss Triple Al 2006 coming on the stage. Oh, she just won an ABM for Best New Actress of the Year. And I'm like, what? I didn't even know what ABN was back then.

SPEAKER_00 23:04

What like so? But that's that's that's slander and defamation. I mean, yeah, do I mean that's you can get sued for that? That's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 23:12

Yeah. So in the end, I was like, well, fuck. Like, I was doing fitness videos and selling my sneakers and my socks and like arm wrestling and all that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 23:21

And oh, okay, okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 23:22

I did a lot of those videos, and then they were like, Well, obviously, you must do this, you must do that. And I was like, I don't, I don't, I don't. And then uh, I was like, one day I was just like, fuck, I might as well make the money if they're gonna call me all these names anyways. Like, I can't get away from it. And so I made my first three videos, and they instantly got stolen, they instantly got put on free sharing sites. I made no money. And um, luckily, I was working um with people who were pretty influential at the time, and they found the person who because the person who stole it from me was like, see, you whore, look what I'm doing to you. I can keep reposting this every minute of every day. Like, really, yeah, guys are awful. Guys are whore. The same people begging for me were the same people ruining me. And so luckily they found him at his job at the Toyota dealership and outed him to his boss, and he called, he still apologizes to this day. I haven't blocked on so many different pages. Um, yeah, he's it's it's awful. He's like, I'm just a big fan. And I was like, Well, you mistreated me.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

You fucking what makes like I don't understand what makes a person want to do that.

SPEAKER_03 24:26

Like what power, men want power. That's all it is. It's power. It's like they're like, Oh, I'm getting off time to see you and to talk to you and have a chance to even say about you. And they're like, now I want power over you. So what do they do? They free share all your content, and that's why I retired and I like walked away from the industry. I was like, You guys are awful. You literally as viewers have used so many good talents in this world who were doing wonderful things, and you ruined it. And that's why we have amateurs on OnlyFans doing anything for a dollar, right? If we're having professionals doing the big VIP parties and being like that luxurious porn star that we used to have, that's all gone now.

SPEAKER_00 25:07

Yeah, you're right, you're 100% right. But you know, to your credit, you've gained popularity and influence uh after you left the that industry. Uh so how did that work? Because I found you on social media after you left the adult industry.

SPEAKER_02 25:27

So I mean most people have at this point.

SPEAKER_00 25:30

What say that again?

SPEAKER_02 25:31

Most people have at this point.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

Yeah, so how did how did that end up working? Because most of the time, if when girls leave that industry, you don't see them blow up afterwards, you see them blow up during, and then they kind of disappear.

SPEAKER_03 25:44

So what happens is girls usually like they go out, they have their stage name, and they're like, you know, they find Jesus or whatever, and you know, or a rich man to take them away, and they change their name to, you know, whatever their real name is, and they they hide from society because they're either hooked up with you know, a new life or a new husband or whatever. And I kept my name, Samantha Mack, and I kept doing things. I was in movies, I was in the radio or on the radio, I was hosting um huge concerts all over the world. I like I was I was screaming on stage in front of 10,000 people. Like I just was like, Samantha Mack was somebody before porn. Porn was, you know, an adventure we went on, and Samantha Mac is still gonna keep being a person. I don't need to change my name and hide who I am. This my story makes me who I am, right? Like all the trauma from our childhood turns us into the adults that we become. All of these different jobs that we have turn us into the people that we are. I don't think that I need to hide and be and like put Samantha Mac in a box somewhere. Like Samantha's funny, Samantha's well known. Samantha is really good at being a promoter online. I can host big events like Christmas in July. Like that doesn't go away just because I have nice tits on the internet. Um, and I think that if we stop like sexualizing women and seeing them for like the value that they do have, you'll see a lot more beautiful women doing things and being popular for their skills. But people want to pigeonhole you and say, Oh, well, I think you're sexy, therefore you can only exist in this fantasy in my life and nowhere else. You can't be a mom, you can't do you can't get Christmas presents for kids. How dare you! You're only a slut and a whore to me. Therefore, you have to stay in that box. And I think that's really narrow-minded. And so I've spent a while a decade now.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

You're right. Once, you're right. Once you yeah, yeah, once you sexualize, once you, once you have that background, yeah, it's it it's you you can't leave it. You're 100% right.

SPEAKER_03 27:35

You're really yeah, and I mean like it's I've deleted 1600 videos. There's a bunch of videos still out there, and I know people search my name, the first thing they do is they go to a free sharing site. Like nobody has respectful performers, nobody's going to my pet website paying for my videos. They're just going to whatever first thing that pops up that some Yahoo in another country has copied and screen recorded and reposted, and and they're like, Oh yeah, I saw you. And I was like, Great, you just made some guy named Bob in Bolivia 10 bucks. Good for you. Like, you you looked at my content, you had fun with it, I got nothing. And like I was like, applaud you for that. Like, you're just stealing content and it sucks.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

So I don't I don't pretend in Samantha Mack's private life, yeah, away from the glitz and glamour, away from all the entertainment. What do you like to do yourself just to relax or keep yourself busy? Hobbies.

SPEAKER_03 28:28

So I'm in the pool as much as possible.

SPEAKER_00 28:32

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_03 28:34

I'm in the pool like every day. Like I take advantage of like where I live and the sunshine. I'm like, I've spent so much of my life in Canada wishing I had a pool or wishing there was sunshine. I will make time to be in the pool every day. It's like I tell people I'm solar powered, like I have to be in the sunshine. If I spend a whole day inside and I don't go out and see the sun, like I'm disappointed in myself. Like the same way that people are like, oh, I didn't work out five times this week, I only went four times, and you feel like you've like lost something. That's how I feel if I don't go outside. Okay. Um, I need to see palm trees. I need to have my toes in the water and see palm trees. Um that is like that is my like my happy place. But then um, I ride motorcycles a whole bunch. I'm learning how to do stunts.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

So do I actually.

SPEAKER_03 29:14

Ooh, I what do you got? What you got?

SPEAKER_00 29:16

Uh Holly Davis and breakout.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

Oh, okay, okay, okay. I got a uh Jigsa 750, which is like my street bike, and then I've got uh a Kawasaki Z125 for doing stunts. That way if I drop it, I can pick it up again.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

I I I love the Jigs, love those, love them, love them. I you know, I I really do. Like, um, I just feel like they're not age appropriate for me.

SPEAKER_03 29:40

But true, not for your back.

SPEAKER_00 29:42

Well, yeah, yeah, right, right, right, right. But when I see uh people on the road ripping up the road, I'm like, oh, that's awesome. I love those bites, especially the Jixes.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

But yeah, no, I I've been trying to do wheelies and and stunts for years. It's just a matter of like getting the right bike with the right equipment and the right gearing, and then getting it to a spot where it's legal to practice. It's a little tricky, so I've been out of practice for a month now, but we'll get there. And then um, I shoot guns a bunch. I like shooting guns.

SPEAKER_00 30:11

Oh, that's cool. Okay, yeah. Well, we I go to the range from time to time too.

SPEAKER_03 30:14

Yeah, my dad took me, uh taught me how to shoot when I was seven. And I'm I'm that girl. Um, so yeah, I love I love going to the range tonight, actually. Um, but yeah, shooting guns and riding motorcycles. I'm basically a dude um who wears bikinis. That's basically it.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Yeah, you're not a dude. You're a woman. You know, you're a you you're all woman.

SPEAKER_03 30:39

I'm I'm I'm pretty used to being like the tough one of the group. Like this morning they're like, oh, we gotta move all these things, and I was like, Oh, I'll just go do it.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 30:46

Like there's um there's like an LA femininity that I just doesn't compete with me. Like, I you know, I grew up on a job needs to be done, you just did it. You just pick it up, pick up the shovel and shovel the snow.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Yeah, well, if you grew up on a farm, yeah. If you grew up, yeah, yeah, I guess it's not.

SPEAKER_03 30:59

Doesn't matter if you're a boy or a girl, like the job needs to get done.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

The strong yeah, you gotta do it. So that's it. That's probably you know the the driving force behind your work ethic, is how you grew up, you know.

SPEAKER_02 31:10

Yeah, it's just gonna get done.

SPEAKER_00 31:11

Sometimes it yeah, you can't sit around and do nothing. Yeah, I know. I'm believing me, I'm the same way. Now, I want to ask you about you've had, from what I understand, you've had several surgeries to make your body more uh uh beautiful and shapely. Um, what actually have you had done?

SPEAKER_03 31:31

So uh botox and filler. Um, I had balkyra across my neck years ago.

SPEAKER_00 31:37

What is it? I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_03 31:38

Oh, in Canada it's called Belkyra. In America, it's called kybella. And so they inject this like liquid lipo into your next 64 injections and your neck swells up like a bullfrog, and then all that liquid liquefies the fat and it sucks out.

SPEAKER_00 31:52

Really?

SPEAKER_03 31:52

Yeah, you look like shit for two weeks. You look like a bullfrog for like you have like a like a bubble for like two weeks.

SPEAKER_00 32:00

Wow, okay.

SPEAKER_03 32:01

All right, and so I had that done. Um I had my boobs done two and a half times. So I had my boobs done uh in 2005 ish, I'm not sure. Three-ish, I don't know. Um, and then within months I went snowboarding, I was doing a rainbow rail. I my toe had flipped and the rainbow rail hit under my boob and it dissipated an implant and I had to go have surgery to replace it.

SPEAKER_00 32:24

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03 32:25

Um, so that boob job lasted like six months. I had to go get another boob job. I just that's why I always have my hair on my left side because I couldn't afford to get it fixed. So I went on tour dancing, and I would always hide the wrecked implant in my hair.

SPEAKER_00 32:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 32:38

And to this day, I still always have my hair on the left.

SPEAKER_00 32:41

Like I it's like um so yeah, I got a second set of implants after that.

SPEAKER_03 32:46

And um when I first got my boobs done, I didn't have enough money for like all the jobs you needed, like all like the lift and the tucking that you need to make them even. So I went in with like an A cup and a D cup, and then I got implants. So I just had a bigger difference. And so when I say two and a half times, the second time I went in, I had fat graphing done to make the right boob match the left one. So I finally got even boobs, but it took two and a half jobs to get there. Um uh in 2016, I had abdominal plasting and had my abs stitched back together and had 17 pounds taken off my stomach after I lost 100 pounds again.

SPEAKER_00 33:23

The second time I left my abs stitched back together, you said? Yeah, yeah, I that's very popular with girls that have were pregnant and had kids. Right.

SPEAKER_03 33:32

So I had I had a premature delivery that didn't survive, and my abs were like stretched open because I was like not even six months like pregnant at the time, like it was way too soon. And then they inject you immediately with hormones, like your body is continuing to be pregnant, and my abs just kept separating and separating, and I looked crazy. And the doctor was like, if your airbag goes off in your car, there's nothing protecting you. And so I could have had a surgery just to fix it, but instead I was like, let's save up some money, let's get a whole redo.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:01

Um, so I had my whole stomach redone. Um, then my my dog jumped on the bed and stepped on me while I was healing. So he tore open the part right around my belly button. So once in a while I have a little hernia that pops out. Awful. That's awful. Like if I'm bending over tying up my shoes, and then I'll stand up and it'll go pop, and then I gotta like shove my abs back in.

SPEAKER_00 34:22

Oh god.

SPEAKER_03 34:23

So I have to go get mesh put in, but I just don't want to. I'm like, as long as I can just sum my ab back into my stomach, I'm okay. It only happens like twice a year.

SPEAKER_00 34:31

So that's amazing. Okay, very cool.

SPEAKER_03 34:33

And it happened during a tandem wheelie once, and I was like, shit, what do I do? But luckily, I wasn't controlling the bike, I was just on it, and I was like, okay, once we get down, because the only way I can get back is if I lie on my on the ground and like push straight down.

SPEAKER_00 34:45

Really? Wow.

SPEAKER_03 34:46

It was like in a wheelie, and I'm like, I can't do anything. So it was hell, but um, but yeah, I had that done. Um, and then because my scar was so wide, the 22-inch scar, I had dog earring on the sides, and so it looked like I had really tight panties on all the time, and I was so like paper thin, and I was like, I still look like I have like tight underwear on all the time, like this line around the middle of my body. So I went to Rockstar Beauty here in Believerly Hills, and they took fat out from like under my um my armpits and then injected it all the way along the scar to give me like hips and and like full curves again. So I didn't have to push the scar out. So I'm probably one of the only girls that had like fat injected in the front and the side.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 35:31

Most people want to take it away from, but um, yeah, they evened the whole scar out. It's pretty much perfect now. It's not a hundred percent, but whatever. I think it's great. Great enough that's it's not so bad that I would go back for more pain.

SPEAKER_00 35:41

Um yeah, okay. I'm sure it's I'm sure it looked great.

SPEAKER_03 35:44

I'm sure yeah, I mean, I'm happy with it.

SPEAKER_00 35:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:47

Um, yeah, and then that's it.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

Nothing done to your booty.

SPEAKER_03 35:53

Oh no, like when they did facing, they gave me the top ass.

SPEAKER_00 35:55

Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:57

This is all Dr. Carr right here. I always get the wrong Dr. credit, Dr. Key.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 36:03

Yeah, so when they injected around the front scar, they couldn't just stop here. They had to go like these.

SPEAKER_00 36:08

Oh, I see. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 36:10

So that I didn't just have like hips and then nothing in the in the back.

SPEAKER_00 36:13

Oh, okay. Yeah, they injected the whole top of my ass, the hips, and then the things that they could do is it's just it's amazing. Like they could you could take a woman that is completely misshaped, misformed, and then if you have enough money, you can make her absolutely beautiful. It's amazing. That's what they say, like you're not ugly, you're just poor. Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_03 36:31

Yeah, and I was always offended by that, and I was like, no, it's true.

SPEAKER_00 36:34

Yeah, it's kind of true. Yeah, you know, you it's uh it's uh the things that they could do, it's just unbelievable, you know.

SPEAKER_03 36:40

But well, I started posting about that like on the male side too, and I'm like, just because like we look at women as like these sexual, beautiful things that we should be sculpting and painting, doesn't mean that men can't get it. So I always read every time there's like a guy getting like his jaw like filled in with filler and like properly done. I'm like, I'm like, look, guys, you could do that, you could be more handsome, you could you could be happy if you tried. Yeah, I'm constantly posting about that kind of stuff, and like yeah, you can get like certain types of like filler and botox in your nose to like change the tip. I'm like, see, you don't have to look at Shrek, you can go get your nose injected, and guys are like, I would never, I'm like, but you expect your woman to.

SPEAKER_00 37:14

You expect no well. I had uh I have uh I had genetically my brothers, my father had really bad bags under my eyes, and it was right, it would they were getting worse as I was starting the podcast, and I'm like, okay, this I have to get these removed, this is ridiculous. Because I I was using that that cream that like tightens it up for a little while, yeah. Every time I went on, and then I'm like, I just made the appointment and got them removed, you know. Yeah, you know, and plus, like, you know, I'm in the gym almost every day. Yeah, so yeah, but you're right, you know, guys could if they want to do it oil if they want. Absolutely, yeah. There's no question about it.

SPEAKER_03 37:51

Guys want to mega hottie, but none of them want to be a hottie.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

No, you you it's it's the it's so true. It's like and guys will they just they lie to themselves, all of that and then and then they lie to others. I had I was talking to somebody today at work, and you know, he's below average looking, and he was telling me about how many girls, and I'm like, Well, how am I supposed to sit here and like believe this? Like, I'm I'm I you know I gotta I gotta let it go in one ear without the other. But he's telling me, and I'm like, I and I literally said, No, you you don't. And he's like, No, yeah, no, I'm like, okay, whatever. And it's just like, what, what what what part of that don't you understand? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 38:42

Like, you're I mean people go to the gym and work on their muscles and their abs because they they want to be hot, but they won't have a skincare routine. And it's like, okay, like you're the right shape, but your hands are all crusted and blistered and callous, and you're you got pop marks on you, and like you got like terrible skin from sweating so much and not probably washing your face before you put your head on. Like I'm like, yours, but no one teaches guys to be pretty.

SPEAKER_00 39:07

Yeah, and I'm I'm talking worse than that.

SPEAKER_03 39:10

Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 39:11

I'm talking like blue collar, yeah, dad bod, yeah, hair on your mantis, saying I get all kinds of women and it's like no, you don't. I you don't you know what I mean? Because my regular job, I'm I'm a New York City sewer worker. Um I work in in on the on the ground all day in the sewer, right? I'm a blue-collar guy, and there's only a handful of us that go to the gym and stage. Everybody else looks like they belong in the sewer, and they and they love to brag about shit they never did.

SPEAKER_01 39:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:49

One guy, I swear to you, Samantha, I swear to God, I had to walk away. I had to walk away. One guy was telling us that he went to a he was a groomsman in a wedding and he had sex with all the bridesmaids. No, you didn't, and I had to walk away. And I I literally was like, I I can't listen to this anymore. I'm gonna get a headache. This is ridiculous. It's just it's just it's it's pathetic. You know, I mean, I could go on and on and on. It's just I don't understand why it's so difficult to be honest. You know, like it's just you're a regular dude. No, it's fine. I'm a regular dude. You know, anyway, okay. I'm gonna ask you one stupid question, okay? And I I think I think this is just what everybody wants to know because this is what you're famous for, is how big are your boobs now?

SPEAKER_03 40:40

Oh gosh.

SPEAKER_00 40:41

Um, so that's cup cup size. See CCs, we only know of motorcycles.

SPEAKER_03 40:48

So um every company is different. So, like right now, I'm in a 40 E cup memory foam bra from the Vienne Rose, um, because that's the biggest size they make. Uh and then Honey Burdette, which is one of my favorite, like more golamorous lingerie brands. I'll wear like a 38H over there. So it all depends on like whether it's a demicup or a deep V, because like the projection sits different. So you get a different letter for each inch difference up to the projection. So if it's a deep V, it's like a lower projection, so you might be wider. If it's a demicup push-up, then you're probably gonna have like a less of a cup size. So I'm anywhere between like an E and an H.

SPEAKER_00 41:31

Yeah, so the bra is the depending on the bra and how it's shaped and it varies. Oh, okay. That that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 41:36

But I recommend the memory foam bra from Olivia and Rose in Canada.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

Memory the best bra of the world. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 41:41

Like do you sleep on a memory foam mattress? Why not put your boobs in a memory foam bra?

SPEAKER_00 41:45

Have you considered going any bigger, or this is it?

SPEAKER_03 41:48

No way.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

Okay, because I've interviewed girls that are just insanely just well, you um, I'm sure you've heard of expanders. And they're a originally that was made for girls that had uh needed a uh uh that had breast cancer, yes, right?

SPEAKER_03 42:07

And had it uh stretched the skin so you can look normal again, right?

SPEAKER_00 42:10

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:10

But then they yeah, girls are doing like 1500, 2000 cc's with that now, and that's wild. I've I've been with girls like that, and they they get like crazy sores that will never heal, and their boots are always bandaged, so the skin's pulled so tight. Yeah, it's like a senior citizen's hands, like they just become paper. Yeah, so I don't recommend that. I don't think it's safe, I don't think it's smart.

SPEAKER_00 42:29

Yeah, I've I've interviewed one girl who got rid of them completely, and I and I interviewed another girl who embraced them fully and is still going, you know.

SPEAKER_03 42:42

I mean that's your thing, that's your thing, but like to each his own.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

I yeah, I I I yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_03 42:47

Yeah, like I'm I'm not there. Like, I'll get smaller boobs next time for sure, because I want to be physically capable to do things. Like, like there's so much, like I can't lie on my stomach at all. Um, and like even at the gym when I had a trainer, they were like, oh, you know, like lie on an inclined bench and do some reverse flies. And I'm like, I can't. My body's bending in a weird way and it'll back hurts. And like I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_00 43:12

As a fellow boober, please don't make your lip boob smaller.

SPEAKER_03 43:16

I'll be they'll be reasonable at some point. But I also like most dated by the porn industry that I'm like, I'm so tired of everybody just like taking taking my image and my videos and doing whatever they want with them, and I get nothing out of it. I'm like, well, why am I continuing to give to you? Every Instagram post I do still fuels you. So it's like I might as well do what I want. And like at the end of the day, like it means that's that whole Madonna Horror complex. Like, once you see somebody sexual, you can never see them as like somebody loving and wonderful. And I want to be a wife. I wanna, I wanna have a happily ever after. And if every person I meet is like, oh, my friends think of me if I was with a girl like you, well then fuck it. Like I said, you want to like just like pop my implants right now and be like, I mean I'm sure it'll I'm sure.

SPEAKER_00 44:00

That I mean, listen, you have accomplished everything you've set out for so far, right? So I'm sure that's in the cars as well.

SPEAKER_03 44:08

Yeah, it's fitting because, like, like you said, like men feel like if they see something curvy, like they want it, they want to fuck it. And I mean, walking to the gym every day, I get marriage proposals constantly. But it's like to the point where like I hear a car coming and I'll like turn into a store and I'll just stop. Because people, I don't know if it's it happens anywhere else. It's never happened to me before LA. People just pull over and like follow you in their car while you're walking. Hey, they don't want to talk to you. Oh, let me let me guess.

SPEAKER_00 44:35

Let me guess, are they Hispanic?

SPEAKER_03 44:37

Oh, you know what? Not majority of the time.

SPEAKER_00 44:40

Black.

SPEAKER_03 44:41

Well, no, I would say that's probably the least amount.

SPEAKER_00 44:46

Well, no way.

SPEAKER_03 44:47

Like, I would say, like, your dad bod hairy nipple mamboo man.

SPEAKER_00 44:51

Oh, okay. Yeah, I could see that.

SPEAKER_03 44:53

I gotta say that was like I would say that's like 60%.

SPEAKER_00 44:56

The guy that has the guy that has well, okay. That's your low brow guy. That's your that's your low-hanging fruit guy. I under I could see that. I could see that because guys, and I'll put myself in this category, guys like me. Um, yeah, we're not gonna do that. We're not gonna look that thirsty. We we'll look, but we'll keep it moving. Like, I have other things to get to. I can't stop my life to talk to the pretty girl, right? Right, you know, um, but yeah, you know, now that you say that, yeah, I could see that the guy that did just shoot their shot, they don't give a shit. That's just fucking. Yeah, what's the worst that could happen? I uh I'll I'm I'm I'm a loser anyway. I'll just be a loser a little more.

SPEAKER_03 45:34

Well, and like I don't so often too. Like I go to the gym and like big oversized like pump covers and whatnot, have my big headphones on because I don't want to talk to anybody. And it usually on my most ugly days is when I get hit on the most. Yeah, and the more dressed up I am, I think the more intimidating I am, and the more people leave me alone.

SPEAKER_00 45:53

Well, yeah, I could see that because yeah, well, you know, because you know, when a when a guy stops you on the street, it's like I said, it's the low brow, it's the low-hanging fruit guy. You know, it's the guy that has like nothing, like you said, he's just you know, it's he's the below average guy. And then and then when you go out someplace, you know, you usually uh guys that will see somebody, they'll look at you and they'll realize uh, you know, she's probably out of my league. I'm not gonna approach her. She probably has plenty of guys approaching her. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:34

Like they they've already had conversations with women before they get to me. Um, but it's yeah, it's just like I I went home one night from a award show in a latex dress, and my high heels broke and I couldn't get a cab or an Uber. So I walked home in a full latex gown with my high heels in my hand, and nobody talked to me. And like I walked past a couple nightclubs, and the bouncers were like, Do you want us to get you? Like, we can call a car service. And I was like, I'm the come this far. I was so bitter. Like, this far don't talk to me. But I was like, that intimidation factor, nobody was stopping. Like people were like slowing down, but like nobody was saying shit, nobody. I also looked like I probably lit on fire. I was so mad. Yeah, but that I think that intimidation factor goes a long way.

SPEAKER_00 47:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:17

But yeah, I mean, at the end of the day though.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

Tell me, tell me this though. If I know when you're in the gym, because I'm a gym guy too, and for the most I like to socialize and bullshit with you know, you you make friends and whatnot. But you're right, you know, I put my headphones in, I have the uh the earbuds, and you know, I'm in the zone and whatnot. But there are people that I see every day at the same time, and sometimes I just friendly say hello. And then and then um I've noticed that uh, you know, if the girl more attractive the girl that I see every day and say hello to, the more she'll ignore, right? Or maybe uh, you know, um there are there's like this this element in the gym where there are girls like you that want to work out and they have the pump cover on and they're just in the zone. And then there are the element of the girls that go to the gym and they just kind of want attention and they do dress, they dress like in these boy shorts and whatnot. And even if you say hello to them, it's like they're not it's like I'm being nice because I see you every day at four o'clock at the same time, you know. And then, like I said, there were the girls like you. And what's funny is that the girls like you that are really into working out, if I like say hello or whatever, or you know, are you using this machine? Nicest people in the world, of course. Nicest people in the world, of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:47

I mean, like I go, I go to a very, very private gym where I'm often all the only person there. Oh and because like I'll also like take I'll walk to the gym or jog to the gym because that's the cargo to get there. So it's two and a half miles there, two and a half miles back. So a lot of times I'll have short shorts on, or I'll be working out in like you know, uh a space strap top because I'm hot. But I'm also the only person in the gym, and that's different. Um and so that's really for me. And I go to small gyms because of that. Um, I used to promote a really big gym that looks like a nightclub out here, and it just has to be like it's socializing, it's talking, it's friends. Yeah, but I don't have time. I got I got shit to do.

SPEAKER_00 49:23

Right.

SPEAKER_03 49:23

So that's that's where you go to be seen. You go to those gyms to be seen. I go to a little hole in the wall because I need to work.

SPEAKER_00 49:30

Yeah, no, I I actually I respect that, and that is it's the God's honest truth. No, the the smaller the gym and the like the the the dirtier and cramp, the more hardcore the people are, like they want to get in and get out, you know. Yeah, yeah, no question.

SPEAKER_03 49:44

I mean, like like every time I'm alone in that gym and I'm in booty shorts and a tank top, I'm not wearing that to get attention. I'm hot. I'm sweating the balls off. Like, I don't want to wear anything.

SPEAKER_00 49:53

It's funny that you say that, right? Because I'm it's funny because I I you know my bodybuilding channel, I say I dress according to the weather, because I'll see guys in the gym in the dead of winter, you know, and and I'm talking 10 degrees below zero with tank tops on, and it's like I'm in a sweatshirt with a hoodie, it's freezing out.

SPEAKER_03 50:13

I think you also have to remember too, like all these 40-year-old, 45-year-old women going to the gym now, and like all these like rocking grandmas, they're also fighting menopause and hot flashes. So, like, whatever you think the temperature is, add 10 degrees. Like, they're not in a sports bra and booty shorts to impress you, it's because they can barely keep their temperature down, right?

SPEAKER_00 50:33

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 50:34

Like, and then you add like estrogen level spiking or lowering and like all that on top of it.

SPEAKER_00 50:39

Fuck man, oh yeah, right. That's funny.

SPEAKER_03 50:41

You want to see uh a hot MILF at the gym, like let her wear what she wants because she's 10 degrees hotter than you all the time.

SPEAKER_00 50:46

Like that's fantastic. But that's the truth, though. True, it's true because it's true because my wife is always hot and she's pre-menopausal. It's so true. She's real hanging on, put the air conditioner up.

SPEAKER_03 51:00

Oh there's a meme of a lady watching her kids' football game, and her head is just steaming, yeah, and outdoors in the in the bleachers. And I was like, Yeah, I've been there, I get that.

SPEAKER_00 51:09

Yeah, that's fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 51:11

I feel like the what's like a Hades from uh from Hercules with the flaming hair. Oh god, yeah. That's what it feels like 90% of the time.

SPEAKER_00 51:19

Well, I know. As far as the biology goes, we uh men definitely got it easier as far as that goes. That's for sure.

SPEAKER_03 51:25

I think funny though guys are like, oh, she wants attention. I'm like, bro, she's hot, her hormones are spiking. I don't really either really love biology has failed her. Do you think she's doing it for you? Like, you're so self-centered.

SPEAKER_00 51:37

Yeah, it's so funny. Yeah, right, right. Especially, like you said, especially if they're over 40, 45, 50. You're like, Yeah, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_03 51:43

Like she's just trying to get through life. And here you are, that's so funny.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

It's the truth, though. That's great.

SPEAKER_03 51:55

I fully support the booty shorts and the skate strapped sports bras. You do it, girl.

SPEAKER_00 52:00

Oh, me too. I'm not I'm not complaining about it.

SPEAKER_03 52:02

Oh, the next option is having like a little rolling air conditioner come around with you.

SPEAKER_00 52:06

Yeah, right, right, right. That's hilarious. But Samantha, I'm gonna let you go. I don't want to take I've taken up enough of your time. Thank you so much. It's been a pleasure. I will I will tag you when this comes out. I'll probably be out probably next week sometime. All right. And um, I'll be in touch. Maybe we we could do this again. I could I'd I'll love to sell you, send you some um, you know, serious outcasts uh shirts and tank tops and stuff if you'd like.

SPEAKER_03 52:31

Yeah, let me know.

SPEAKER_00 52:32

Uh, thank you very much once again. Much love and respect to you always.

SPEAKER_03 52:35

Uh, thank you, love.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

All right, Samantha. I'll talk to you soon.

SPEAKER_03 52:38

Okay, bye.

SPEAKER_00 52:39

Bye.