Poltergeists & Playmates

AOTP EP:13 Tonight, I speak with Bryan, who comes to us from Texas, sharing the unsettling paranormal activity he and his wife experienced after moving into their first home. The activity ranged from poltergeists to disembodied voices to the ghosts of a little boy and girl that their 3-year-old daughter interacted with.

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SPEAKER_01 0:42

Welcome to the show. Tonight, I speak with Brian, who comes to us from Texas, sharing the unsettling paranormal activity he and his wife experienced after moving into their first home. The activity ranged from poltergeist to disembodied voices to the ghosts of a little boy and girl that their three-year-old daughter interacted with. Brian, welcome to the show. I'm happy to have you here. Thanks so much for uh coming on. When I received uh your email, I was super excited to speak with you. Uh you're very detailed about the things you've experienced uh in this previous home of yours. Uh I'm really eager to get to all that activity. Uh one of the uh the items that you had mentioned in particular really stood out to me because it's actually something that I had experienced uh years ago. So I'm really really excited to hear about that as well. So I'm excited to get into it. And what I like to do is just kind of uh go back to before you and your wife had moved into this home and you started experiencing uh this activity, had you any experiences prior to do with the paranormal at any level? What was it like before you moved into this home for you?

SPEAKER_00 2:03

Uh some somewhat. When I was younger, I uh they they called them night terrors, but I would wake up with pe with things in my face, and uh it would startle me. And then there were probably there were a few other instances of of voices around the house and things like that, but nothing like we encountered when we moved into that house on Samuels.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

And the night terrors, uh, what age were you when those were occurring?

SPEAKER_00 2:30

Probably between eight and twelve.

SPEAKER_01 2:33

Yeah, so you were a young boy then, and then it kind of just uh faded out.

SPEAKER_00 2:37

Yeah, yeah, I just kind of uh I looked back and it was gone one day. Uh kind of odd really, because like but it it wasn't something I thought about all the time, but but at at one point I I remember thinking about it and going, you know, it stopped. So uh not sure exactly what changed or if it was just me. Uh I kind of feel like younger kids have a little higher connection than adults do. Um and maybe that's what the what the thing about that was.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

And what were the night terrors like, do you recall? What were you experiencing, if you can remember?

SPEAKER_00 3:17

Mainly just waking up in a sweat, kind of paralyzed. Uh only for for a split second, but when I would open my eyes, there would be something in my face. Um and and like it would have it see it had colors uh kind of outlining it. But it was only for a split second, and then it was gone, just just long enough to startle me uh and scare me. But I was already sweating, and and like I said, the paralysis uh for that split second, I couldn't move. Uh but that's really that's really about it, I think, as far as anything that was pretty paranormal. I know my family on my mother's side had a lot of uh like things. My my grandmother would say, hey, so-and-so is gonna die next week. And uh, and you're like, what do you mean? They're perfectly healthy, she's gonna pass. And and this happened several times, and sure enough, they would pass. But I don't know that that that it has a whole lot to do with the house on Samuels. I think that was there when when we moved in.

SPEAKER_01 4:30

And let's get into that. Talk about when you moved into this home and how soon did any activity start?

SPEAKER_00 4:37

Oh, it started almost immediately. Uh, when we moved boxes into the house, uh, we separated all the rooms boxes, and uh in fact we went to the stockyards to eat and came back home, and the boxes were moved. Uh, not just like unstacked, but but boxes for the bathroom were in the living room, and boxes for the living room were in the bedroom. And uh and at first we kind of thought we were just nuts, and then it just kind of progressed from there. Uh, we would get things unpacked. Uh I was hooking up electronics and things like that, and uh we were in one room and the stereo came on. Uh I thought, wow, that's kind of weird. Maybe, maybe something bumped the remote or something. The remote was still boxed. So that was kind of the first experiences is the stereo turning on, the boxes being moved. And about two weeks after we moved in, I started having dreams of we had there was a little hallway, four rooms went into it, uh, the bathroom off the one side, washroom, and then bedroom and kitchen. So there were four doorways in this small little square hallway. But it was a couple of weeks after we moved in, I started having dreams of me being in that hallway staring up into a black abyss. And and my thoughts once things started happening was this is a portal. This is this is not normal. Uh the the dream was recurring. Same dream. Uh, I'm just in the hallway staring up into the abyss. Uh a lot of activity in that bathroom, in that back bedroom, and in the kitchen right off of that hallway. So I I kind of feel like that might have been where things were coming through.

SPEAKER_01 6:25

That's interesting you mentioned that because a recent guest I had kind of described the same thing in their home, believing that there was some type of portal um because there's so much activity, kind of like with this house that you and your wife were in at that time. So this all started kind of right out the gate as soon as you moved in. What uh did you make of it? What did you think was going on? Did you think someone was messing with you? Or did you consider paranormal? What were your thoughts initially?

SPEAKER_00 6:57

Uh we went straight to paranormal right off the bat. Uh you know, there were things that going on that just couldn't be explained. Uh, you know, like we would leave and come back, and the all the lights in the house would be on, and we know we turned them off. Uh TVs would be on, full blast, as loud as they would go. Uh you could hear them when you pulled up to the house. Uh things that we know that were off. I went directly to paranormal because it it, you know, you mentioned earlier what we felt when we moved into the home. You could feel you were you were not alone. There there was a there the house had a presence. Um I didn't really it wasn't really distinctly one thing or another. It was the house. You know, like the room full of people, and and I mean it was so loud that you could almost make out words, but they were talking over each other just enough you couldn't make it out. But like I said, when you get up, you touch the doorknob, it's gone. There's no other explanation.

SPEAKER_01 7:57

Oh yeah. And you and I were chatting about that, and that was that is such an interesting thing because I I had experienced, like I had mentioned to you, hearing voices, uh lots of people in my particular case, and then you know, you get up, you go open the door, and it just everything just goes blank.

unknown 8:15

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

It's nuts. And you know, you know what you heard, you know that there was sounds of people talking, like you said. And my experience, I it sounded to me like there was probably seven, eight, nine, ten people, you know, downstairs, like eating, drinking. I could hear the I could hear the clanking of the silverware, and then it just sounded like there was a compared to dinner party going on, uh, just to open the door, and then everything just uh it's like someone flipped a switch. Absolutely just incredible. And it was so cool to hear someone else uh personally who experienced the same thing. So do you know the history of the house like when you moved in? About how old was it? And can you describe this is like what North Texas? Can you describe the area and any of the history of the home?

SPEAKER_00 8:55

Yeah, this is this is the historic uh north downtown district um of Fort Worth. Uh it we set the house at about a half a mile from where the original Fort Worth stood. Uh uh the cemetery that was next door, Pioneers Rest Cemetery, uh, was the first established cemetery in Fort Worth in 1850. Uh so a lot of history there. Like I said, General Tarrant was buried there, Ripley Arnold was buried there, unknown soldiers, um, a lot of unmarked graves. And as I mentioned, there was actually some where plague victims were put into pits and just covered with stone. And uh it's a historic area. The homes are all very historic, Victorian homes. Our home was a small two-bedroom home. Uh it stood on the corner just adjacent to the cemetery. It was just a small little uh good area. It was a good area. I think it was rough back years ago, but but it was a good area, uh, quiet. But that cemetery, even when we walked by that cemetery, you could just feel like somebody's watching. Uh it it was just the eerie as feeling ever. And we used to go walk through there all the time because the history and looking at the headstones and things like that were just amazing. Lots of children. Uh, I did notice that there were there were a lot of children that died before they were twelve. Not sure if it was plague or TB or or what went on. But you know, a lot of battles went on there at the original Fort site. So it's hard to tell.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

Yeah, speaking of children. Let's talk about your daughter and what she experienced when she was um around three years old. Just go back and start when you first were made aware of what was happening to her or what she was seeing.

SPEAKER_00 10:52

Well, we noticed they're having little tea parties. She had her little table and she would set up her chairs and her little tea cups, and uh she started talking to other kids that that were not there. I mean, just conversations like, you know, me and the wife are doing our thing and we're listening, and and and and she's talking and somebody's talking back to her. Uh so this we we just watched for a week or two, and then we finally set her down and talked to her and said, Hey, who are who are who are these kids you're playing with? And oh, oh, Daddy, is what she said. She said the the little girl got sick and went to sleep, and when she woke up, her mommy and everybody was gone, and she's been looking for them. And uh uh the little boy, she told us, uh, was fishing with his dad, which the Dream Dee River was right across the street from the house. Uh he was fishing with his dad and fell in the water, and when he came up, nobody was there, and he was searching for his dad. Um this went on for till we moved uh three or four years. It went on. She played with them almost every day. She argued with them. I guess they wanted to do things that she didn't want to do, and uh she would be in her room and we'd be in the other room and she would be she would yell, be angry, yelling uh at at the ghost kid. We never got a name. I try I tried and tried and tried to get a name. I was gonna go to the library, pull up the old microfish, uh, you know, see if I could find anything on these kids, but never did.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

Did your daughter have names for them?

SPEAKER_00 12:39

No, no, I don't think she did. Uh I was looking through my notes to see if she ever gave us a name. That was so long ago. That's what I was doing when I rang into you. I meant to do it earlier. Uh let me pop into my notes here.

SPEAKER_01 12:54

When you first recognized her, you know, children, you know, they have imaginary friends and they they even talk to them and play with them. When you first recognized this with your daughter. Describe that. Like how apparent was it, the conversations she was having, and what what were your thoughts initially when she first told you this?

SPEAKER_00 13:16

I thought it was just an imaginary, just an imaginary friend for the first few days, you know. I thought it was just we we had moved, you know, uh lots of things going on. Thought maybe she got an imaginary friend to cope with everything going on, the big moves and all that stuff. And uh, but then I realized that, you know, she's she's she's looking at them, uh, what I would see is eye to eye, and and she's asking them things like, uh, you know, oh, would you like some tea? And then she would just, okay, and and pour like she was pouring tea. Uh, you know, you want sugar, uh, you know, and oh sure I have a snack. Uh, you know, I mean, it uh it she just talked to them like they were two normal kids actually there. Um it was it was wild to us, uh but still e even then me and the wife didn't have we didn't fear fearful. Uh we didn't feel like anything was malevolent there. Trickster, yes, malevolent no. Um but outside our dog could see them. Uh because when she would walk out of the room from playing with these kids, the dog was watching the ghost kids. He would back up and and he wasn't looking at Amanda, he was looking at the ghost kids. And and you could tell, and he would shake, he would tremble. He he didn't like it. Uh that was the other thing that that kind of let us know that hey, this is these are visitors, this this is real. Um and uh you know, we just we just talked to my daughter, our daughter about it, and you know, told her, hey, if you ever need to talk about anything about any of this, because in my mind, I'm I don't know what these ghost kids are influencing or or anything like that, you know. So we just tried to keep communication open with her and uh she just seemed to be really in tune with paranormal.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

So initially you had thought like probably most parents would, that just imaginary friends. At what point was there any particular event you witnessed with her with them where you were like, okay, this is something more this is something different. When did it go from their imaginary friends to she's talking and playing with ghosts?

SPEAKER_00 15:51

It was just a few days, maybe a week. It didn't take long for us to realize uh that she was actually playing with someone, that that she was talking to someone, someone was actually there. Um that we me and the wife talked about it and we were we came to the same conclusion that that there's no way she's having this intelligible conversation with an imaginary friend. Somebody was talking back.

SPEAKER_01 16:18

The pause times The back and forth just seemed a little too real.

SPEAKER_00 16:23

Yeah, it was fluid. Uh she would wait for responses, acknowledge responses, uh and you know, that's when we realized this is real, and with everything else we had encountered in the house, it wasn't that far-fetched. But you know, when things like this happen, the first thing your mind does is try to rationalize it with something other than paranormal. Uh that that's the first, I think that's the first thing a lot of people's minds go to is what really happened, because it can't be paranormal. But we knew it was.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

This went on for about three, four years. You said when and how uh did this stop?

SPEAKER_00 17:02

Uh we moved. Uh they they came through, they came through the area and they were doing the uh they were gonna put in a river wall going from north downtown into the stockyards like San Antonio has. So they came through and they bought up all the properties. Uh, but uh my mother at the time was diagnosed with cancer. Uh so we done we sold we sold the house in North Fort Worth and moved to Newark, Texas. Um and and and that's kind of when it all stopped because I believe I don't know if it was the boy my daughter was playing with or another boy apparently attached and came with us. Uh we saw him frequently, like full body, saw him. Uh, you know, uh uh the first time we saw him, uh we saw him run through the hallway, and my daughter or my wife said, Who is that? Uh and I was like, I don't know. I saw it too. We both jumped up and ran in because it went into my daughter's room and we went in there. It was just my daughter. But it was a very plain to see blonde-headed boy uh wearing what looked like a long, maybe nightgown or long shirt or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 18:21

Okay, so you guys moved. How soon did you start seeing this boy that you're describing? And did your daughter ever claim to see him, or did she say, Oh, that's the boy from the other house?

SPEAKER_00 18:36

No, no, uh, we asked her about it and she did not see the boy there. Uh, but we saw him multiple times uh in the front yard, uh, running through our hallway. Um it started about a month after we moved, once we kind of got all settled everything into the house. Um is when we started seeing the boy.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

And he was as clear as can be. You it looked like you were just seeing a boy. That's how clear this was.

SPEAKER_00 19:09

Absolutely clear. Uh, never saw his face. He was always either turned or going away from us, never saw a face. But just looked like a blonde-haired boy, like I said, wearing a gown. Uh, you know, we we saw him run across the front yard, we saw him run through the house, uh things like that. Uh, even when my son was born, uh, and he was about the age of the boy that was running through the house, it was still going on. This was years later. And uh and we saw the little boy and thought it was our son, and we would get up to go check, and our boy would be dead asleep, and and there would be nothing there. Uh uh I don't know if it attached to my daughter and came, if it attached to us or an object that we brought. Um I did bring some of the some of the stone that we had turned over in the driveway was like a rose stone, uh a marble rose. Uh, and we did take some of it for a garden project. I thought maybe, maybe it was attached to some of that.

SPEAKER_01 20:15

How close was this home to the previous one?

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Uh, about 35 miles. Uh it was it it was in Newark, Texas, uh off 287 and uh in Wise County. So it was a good, it was a fair ways away.

SPEAKER_01 20:33

Yeah, and let's go back to the stones you're talking about. Uh you had mentioned to me about when you did your your driveway. Can you touch on that and what you found?

SPEAKER_00 20:43

Yeah, uh it was a gravel drive, and we were gonna we were gonna put in a cement drive. So uh we had someone come in and we started tur turning over the driveway, and when we started turning over the driveway, we found headstone. Uh but they were broken up real bad, nothing legible on them really. You could catch a number here or a letter there. Uh but they were shattered up pretty good. Um, and some of them you could tell were around the same age as some of the first stones that were in the cemetery. Uh just by the coloring and and everything. And you if you walk through the cemetery and you look and you and we map uh that's what we did. We walked through and we matched the colors of the stones to the headstones that were out there. And and the stones were from about the beginning of the cemetery. Uh so I kind of feel like that maybe that house was built on top of bodies. Uh I wouldn't be surprised that whole corner was. I mean, I'm sure there were more more people buried there than than what's marked now.

SPEAKER_01 21:46

Yeah, that is crazy. That is straight out of the alter guys building a home on top of uh old old graves.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

My wife said we should keep digging down. And uh I just told her, you know, there's some things we don't want. disturbed but but she was really interested she really wanted to she really wanted to know uh you know she spent time at the library with me searching uh newspaper clippings uh things like that you know and but we had we we we could sit in our living room and watch TV and the TV would turn off and the water in the bathroom would come on uh weird things like that that almost daily occurrences uh the toilet would flush on its own uh we uh got up one morning uh we it was actually our anniversary and my wife was saying I'm gonna get up and I'll make us breakfast and stuff and and uh I was like okay and and and when she walked out of the room she just I just hear oh my god uh so I kind of jumped up and ran in there and and all our dishes were out on the counter the doors were open to the cabinets the dishes were stacked perfectly on the counter just like they were in the cabinet just on the counter and uh she swore that I got up in the middle of the night and did this uh at that time uh and then after a few other things happened uh like things moving in front of us chairs uh we had a chair there there was a cold spot uh in our living room uh it could be a hundred degrees outside this spot was always cold uh and but you could set a chair there and walk out of the room and come back and it would be off that spot uh I have videos somewhere I need to get those uh but it that never moved in front of us but Halloween night I had some family over uh my cousin and his wife and and another cousin and and we were talking about the house being haunted and and and my cousin was uh he has nothing for it he there's no such thing to him uh and we're we're sitting in my living room and everybody has their drink on the table and and he's talking about he's just telling us we're full of crap there's no such thing as ghosts uh and his glass moved from one end of the table all the way to the other in front of every one of us it just slow it just a smooth slide all the way to the other end of the table and he said it's just condensation and he picked it up and wiped his hand on the bottom it was completely dry. He grabbed his wife and he said we're never coming back here again we're leaving let's go and they did they left they never came back uh and uh he he called he said he don't know how we live there with things like that going on and I said well I guess it just depends on what you fear sounds like he became a believer that night he did he we were all really close like we we spent a lot of time together and stuff like that but he would not step foot back in that house after that night it sounded like there was a lot of poltergeist activity things moving and even hearing the voices coming from the other room did you ever or your wife ever see any apparitions or was it strictly limited to what you've already kind of described pretty much what I described uh the smoke I I I don't know what the deal was with that smoke. Uh once in a while we could see uh you know under the door sitting in another room you would see like a light uh like a bright light for a few seconds and then it would go away um we did have instances where we were touched uh you know just standing in the kitchen or or laying in bed and uh we had hands put on our shoulders uh felt like somebody poking us in the back it felt more like somebody was picking at us you know like like somebody was playing uh and uh and then I we we actually watched the pillow on our bed indent uh we had just gotten up the wife made the bed every morning when we got up uh we're standing there we're talking about what we're doing that day and we both look over at the same time and you could and it was almost like a hand pushed down on the pillow uh and I just I knew what it was you know the wife's like ah there was probably some air in the pillow and I'm like no that was that was just so blatant that somebody wanted us to know they were there. I wonder if it was uh one of uh those kids when we heard the disembodied voices in the other room and things uh it sounded like all men uh didn't really hear women's voices that I could make out my wife couldn't either she said that she said it sounded like all men to her uh and uh and it did it uh i i it was really loud like it would you you would you it would it would drown out your hearing in the other room and but like you said you get up you touch the doorknob and fall silent oh so it was pretty loud that's interesting from my experience it it wasn't like it was loud but it was just obvious that something was happening downstairs how often did you hear the voices from another room? How often did that occur oh probably I don't know maybe once a month uh something like it happened quite often uh you know it's almost like they were partying without us uh in our own home and would you it and would you and your wife hear them at the same time like would you guys hear it would you guys look at each other like what is that no it really kind of it would kind of come up from a low low grumble and and and the voices would just start getting louder and louder and we would hear it uh about the same time uh like I said we would look at each other and be like what the heck you know this is again you know uh and and after a while of it happening over and over again we stopped getting up and trying to open the door we got complacent with it to me they were doing their thing and and they weren't weren't hurting us like I said I had that trickster feeling uh like like maybe one of them maybe was a trickster like to let people know he's there uh you know but with the boy and the girl being lost it did it did make me wonder if maybe you know if this is a lost souls portal if these are people that like never made it to the other side. You know I did talk some I talked to a lady she was a psychic in Fort Worth uh she was a gypsy woman and and she said that the spirit surrounded me uh I I don't know what she meant by it uh but she said the spirit surrounded me and and she didn't I had no fear she felt no fear for me and uh and she thought that that may be why they're they were being so open and coming out uh I guess she the way she was talking I guess my mind was open to it so it presented itself and the wife as well did you ever consider or think about maybe having someone come in to check out the activity and yeah she reached out to uh Penn State Paranormal team uh I can't remember what the gentleman's name was uh and and they were they they were gonna come out but it was like eight months away and we moved before any of that ever took place but uh they they used to have a show on called Paranormal State and the guy that ran it was um he had had a lot of things happen to him when he was younger and he was really trying to understand uh but she had reached out to them and and was getting it all set up for somebody to come out but we waited for years to to try to do anything about it because it it it just didn't bother us that much uh you know she would get upset because we would have to get up and turn water off or there there were also times that we would go through a doorway and the door would slam behind us uh and it and it would scare us uh and uh but nothing ever really try to hurt us. So the home's no longer there do I understand that right no they they they tore it down and uh it's just an empty lot now uh of course the cemetery's still there uh I kind of I kinda wonder because they did come in they did do some ground turning and things like that I know after they tore down the house and I kind of wonder if they found what we found and stopped. Uh not really sure because my house and then the one that sat behind my house uh and then the restaurant on the corner they never did anything with uh everything else town homes now and uh and all that stuff and never did anything um but I I wish we could have got some investigators in there and I do have some recordings and things uh I need to get out and and uh uh now that's the other thing we did try to record the voices in the other room and when we recorded we could hear it but the recording did not pick it up you know we thought for sure this is gonna capture it and nothing uh we'd play the tape absolutely nothing uh and and we tried everything uh we we we would set the recorder and sit in the chair closest to the door where we could hit the recorder right there at the door and it never did pick up anything about how long ago was this this was nineteen ninety four uh or no nineteen ninety six because we moved in two thousand two thousand one yeah about nineteen ninety six so you moved from the home into the other home you began seeing that boy spirit uh in the other home and did that just kind of fade off there was never any activity like in the previous house right uh no no we never had anything anything really uh go too wild there this just the little boy and uh uh now my aunt across the street from us she has a doll room that's uh definitely haunted but but nothing at our house and your daughter as she grew up did she ever experience anything else um have you had any other experiences since then what has happened since all this if anything not really a whole lot uh sometimes I feel like something's with me but my daughter nothing else with her once she got older it kind of died off and uh and my son he never really uh never had anything go on with him really um and uh uh things just quieted down after we moved we saw the boy several times over the years uh and uh but like I said we could never could see a face he was always turned away from us uh usually running uh like running from one room to another running across the front yard and but no everything quieted down after that just just the whole time we were at that house on Samuels it it just it continued almost daily there was always something yeah it it sounds like it was definitely about that house that property for sure definitely and and and something else we kind of noticed that when activity would get high like like when the chatting in the room and stuff like that when you walked into the room it was colder than the other rooms but you would come out of there and go back in 30 minutes later and it was absolutely fine. I tried to find more history on the house. I'm sure that house was built towards the end of the fort still standing um so I don't know who lived there I don't know why it was built you know anything like that the house was kind of unique from all the other houses uh uh it had a steep roof and tall ceilings and most of the other houses in the area did not um but so I always wondered if that house had a special standing long ago like maybe a uh hospital thing or a medical thing or uh you know or maybe even a caretaker uh for the cemetery or someone that does the burials and things I'm not sure. But like I said with the headstones in the driveway and all everything that went on there I'm almost positive there's probably bodies under that under that land and and and that there was a portal in that house. We discussed burning sage uh my wife talked about calling it in the church uh but I'm kind of weird about stuff like that. If they're not bothering me I'm not gonna bother them uh I I I that that's the way I feel about it, you know and uh but we did want to have she did want Penn State to come in and do their investigation. Uh I would have loved for that for that to have been able to take place it just didn't just didn't work out that way for us.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

That would have been really really neat to have that documented for sure.

SPEAKER_00 35:48

Well I'll tell you also the so this is really weird as well uh me and my wife tried to have babies uh we lost two or three during the pregnancy and uh I came home from work one day and we were laying in bed that evening and uh and my wife said honey I made a deal uh and I asked her what kind of deal did you make and she said God's gonna give me give me children. He's gonna let us have kids but I'll never see 'em graduate. I'll never get to watch them grow up completely. And uh and and I didn't really think a whole lot about it until in 2010 my wife died at 39 of cancer. Uh a cancer that people uh it was small cell carcinoma something that 39 year olds don't normally get but she was absolutely right we had two kids and she did not get to watch them grow up.

SPEAKER_01 36:47

I'm very sorry about that.

SPEAKER_00 36:49

Yeah I well I always kinda wonder you know I I never I never I never asked a whole lot about it because you know we had the kids everything was fine you know and and uh but I wonder now should I have asked who did how did this deal come about who and uh I mean was it a dream or you you know so uh it always kind of made me wonder about that as well if she didn't make a deal with not God but someone else uh because it was odd I mean after she said that I mean I it wasn't maybe six months later she was pregnant and and we had her and and uh we had our daughter I always wondered about that but you know i it it's just weird and I still I can still see that dream in my head where I'm looking up through that hallway ceiling and it's just abyss it's just black abyss uh but yeah it was definitely an experience of a lifetime uh you know what I I did uh you asked me about earlier paranormal things and I did forget to mention one thing we made a trip with a girl or I was dating a girl when I was a teenager and we made a trip to Hobbes New Mexico uh to visit her grandmother uh I forgot all about this uh but we went to visit her grandmother and you know she had a nice little house in Hobbes of course you know I don't know if you've ever been there during thunderstorms and things but the clouds roll over the tops of the houses and they glow on and off and they they make a they make a uh worrying noise uh and she she said it was because of white sands uh radiation and stuff I guess but uh but but we all laid down to go to bed that night and and her and her husband before he passed had two separate beds. Uh they were they were the Lucy Desi I guess um but uh I was the first man to sleep in her husband's bed since he passed and uh I woke up in the middle of the night paralyzed and I saw something coming at me uh and when it got closer it was an old man and uh and he was wearing red and white striped pajamas uh and this is really all I remember of that part of the night is he came and he sat down on me and laid down. Uh and then the next day apparently I got up uh we had set out on the back porch uh and I talked to my girlfriend for several hours and none of this stuff I remember but she said I called her princess and that's what her grandfather called her and uh and she said I didn't seem like myself and then when I got uh but and I guess I went back to bed after that woke up the next day and that's when they were telling me about the conversations and things like that well then her grandmother pulled out the pajamas the red and white pajamas I'm sorry I forgot all about them. Oh no no worries when you saw those pajamas how did you react uh my blood ran cold uh I the my hair stood up my uh I mean I just uh it it kind of really blew me away because I realized that uh with what they were telling me and those pajamas was I'd been possessed I'd been controlled uh uh uh he took me uh because when I woke up and saw him I could not move uh I was I remember trying to tap my hand on the bed trying to make noise uh and that's about all I could do and then he sat right down on me and lay down uh and like I said they told me the rest of the stuff the next day uh but it it was just really weird and then me calling her princess I never called her princess babe sweetheart you know all that I never called her princess but she said that's what her grandfather used to call her before he passed.

SPEAKER_01 41:02

And about what age were you when this happened?

SPEAKER_00 41:05

Uh 17 about 17 years old and uh and that was in Hobbes New Mexico and we always wanted to go back through there because we went to her she had another aunt that lived in Astro Mont Texas uh and she had a haunt and she had a hotel there that is haunted and we always wanted to go spend the night there we never got a chance to but uh but the but the thing in Hobbes that that kind of stuck with me I can't believe I didn't remember it until just now yeah uh you know life kind of drowns everything out after a while. I think that everything we encountered was very real. Uh me and the wife both ex both experienced it at the same times heard the same things saw the same thing you know it it it's real. If it you know I anybody that questions it I feel bad for them because it they've closed off part of their mind.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

Yeah for some it's just like unl unless it happens to them and they just they just don't believe they just refuse to I totally hear what you're saying. And Brian I appreciate you coming on and uh telling about what you experienced in that house.

SPEAKER_00 42:21

I'm glad you invited me on I I enjoy talking about stuff. It's been a lot of years.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

Thank you so much again you take care we'll be talking soon.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

You bet.

SPEAKER_01 42:31

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