Facing the “Jingle Man”: A Journey Through Darkness

AOTP EP:14 Depression, a car crash, a suicide attempt, and visions of the dead. Tonight, Kat shares her story.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:43

Welcome to the show. This is usually the part of the program where I ease into a brief opening monologue and introduce tonight's guests. But this episode is a little different. As not all that haunt us are spirits or shadows that vanish as quickly as they appear. Often the demons that plague us in the worst possible ways come to us under far more familiar names: addiction, abuse, despair, causing unimaginable pain and suffering for the afflicted and for those who love them. These are often the most wicked and the most difficult demons to defeat. Recently I was contacted by an anonymous support group made up of individuals who believe they are being haunted by an ancient malevolent winter entity commonly referred to as the Jingle Man. According to them, the Jingle Man is a winter monster that appears in the aftermath of tragedy or crime, announcing its presence through the constant, high-pitched ringing of sleigh bells. Over time, its victims describe it being worn down, isolated, and seduced, until many feel compelled to take their own lives, either to escape the torment or to join the jingle man in death. Whether the jingle man is a literal entity or a name given to something far more familiar, the experiences of those affected are painfully real. This anonymous group asked if I would be willing to have one of their members on the show using an alias to protect their identity so they could share their story. And tonight, I welcome Kat to the show. But before we continue, I want to say this. If you are having thoughts of suicide, you are not alone, and help is available. You can dial 988-24 hours a day, seven days a week, anywhere in the United States and its territories. Again, that number is 988. Cat, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_00 2:53

Hi. It's good to be here.

SPEAKER_04 2:55

Thank you for being here. I appreciate you coming on.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:59

I know you have uh a very interesting and unique experience that you've been kind of been going through, and I appreciate you coming on to talk about it and sharing it. I know it can be difficult. So if you don't mind, what I'd like to do is is to go back before this started. What was life like and then the event that kind of kicked this off for you?

SPEAKER_00 3:23

Uh yeah, sure. Um, so I guess if you we want to go back from the very, very beginning, it's probably two Christmases ago. Um so I was still in college at this time. I had uh, you know, I've had a really rough life, I think, up until that point. Um growing up, I guess I never really felt like I was always present in the moment whenever I was with other people. Um they always seemed happier than me or like it wasn't hard for them to pretend to fit in. Um so I I tried my best every day to just, you know, put on a face or this character um to kind of be like them as best as I could. And I thought I was doing a good job, but I guess I wasn't because my parents started um making me see a therapist. So um I was very very soon after that diagnosed uh with depression. Um, so as I got older um in my head, I somehow thought that, you know, college was gonna be that switch, you know, like that once I left home, I became independent, uh, that all my problems would be solved, the depression would go away, I'd just be like everyone else. Um, and then when I went to college and that didn't happen, I uh decided to turn to substances to help me kind of feel anything. Um specifically painkillers. Uh so it especially got worse um when I turned 21. Um so anytime I was awake, I was pretty much taking pills. I started to uh ditch classes and party all the time. Uh as you can imagine, I ended up blowing my savings pretty quickly. So uh around this time, the holidays were coming up. Um, I was about to go back home, but I had no money to spend on family. Um I had a boyfriend at the time, and we would meet up when I came home from break. Um so around this time, I remember being kind of overwhelmed with the thought of going back home and facing my family and having to admit that um I did end up kind of flunking out of a few classes, and I had all this stuff that I kind of had to face. So I, you know, texted uh my friend group uh to meet up and party at this frat that we like to go to. And um, so we were there, we're partying. Um I uh sorry, I I don't really like admitting to this part.

SPEAKER_04 6:16

Um no worries. Take your time and just talk about what you're comfortable with.

SPEAKER_00 6:20

Yeah, um, okay. So I uh went out with some friends that I would uh get high with. Um so we went to that party. I was running low on pills at the time, so I wanted to stock up before the break and you know for the night. So there was this guy that was at the party that I usually get my pills from, and um I didn't have any money at the time to really give. So um I uh I I offered to trade sex for pills. Um, and he agreed, and you know, we partied, we got high, and I thought, you know, the night would go like normal. Um and I would just go home, I'd be fed up. I'm sorry. Um so I I I went home and um I you know, I would think I would pass out in my room or whatever, and um so fast forward a little bit, uh so uh everything kind of started to die down for me. I got into a fight with uh the D D of the night. Um after you know the adrenaline worn off when everything happened, I started to feel really shitty about myself and um I realized I I cheated and that's not something that I've ever done before. And um I just I f I felt so terrible. I just wanted to go home. I wanted to leave. And he wasn't ready to go. So um being as you know intoxicated as I was at the time, I decided, you know, it was in my own best interest to st steal his keys. I I took his keys and um I remember running outside and it was it was so cold and we were I got into the car and I started driving and I just started thinking about everything up in in my life up until that point and I just it was almost like a haze, like I was there but wasn't really there. Um and then I hit a pothole um and I slid off to the side of the road and I hit a tree. And um I'm I I was okay, it wasn't anything too too crazy. Um I did break my nose and I had a bruised rib. Um and uh so it it was it was a hard time. I remember somehow being in the hospital and just uh like I remember waking up thinking um this can't be my life, you know, and um I I decided to go home and try to kind of figure my life out a little bit. Um so I ended up talking to my parents more, trying to open up a little bit more, um, and I found it in my own best interest to you know tell my boyfriend what happened and he ended up breaking up with me and it was Christmas Eve, and that was kind of my breaking point. Um I remember I was trying so hard to hold on, and I was thinking, you know, this is the right thing to do. I'm talking to people now, I'm talking to I'm gonna talk to him, I'm gonna work it out, I'm gonna get my life together, and then when it kind of didn't work out the way I was hoping, um that's when things kind of got really dark, and um that's uh also the night that um I tried to kill myself and um um I took a bunch of painkillers, whatever I had left at the time, and um yeah, I remember uh waking up in you know, a hospital room the next day. Um I was on suicide watch. Uh they told me my mom had found me. Um and you know, I'm lying in this hospital bed, I'm just thinking to myself um how panicked she probably was when she found me, and you know, that made my heart ache so much that it was actually, you know, painful. Um and I decided that that day as I was laying in that bed that I would quit and try to get my life together, you know, I started going to sport groups. Um and you know, at the time it was honestly more for my parents than it was for me. Um and you know, the whole thing, you know, felt fake to me, the support group thing at the time. I just felt so performative and that they didn't really give a shorry, they didn't really care whether or not I lived or died. And you know, it's just it it was it was a rough time and I just remember feeling so lonely. And that's actually when everything sort of started. Um I remember this one support group that we had. We had a meeting, um, and there was a break about 30 minutes in. And um I heard somebody mention the jingle man and um you know, I what what is that? You know, like it's just kind of caught my attention. And I I you know I looked over at the group of girls that was kind of talking about it, and one of them noticed me, notice them, and she asked me, like, do you know the jingle man? And I was like, Not really not really, I don't really know what that is. So um so she basically was saying to me um they started to talk about how when it gets late at night and it's cold outside, you'll start to hear these weird noises coming from the dark, and then and then one of the girls asked me, like, and then you'll start to hear the bells. Have you heard the bells yet? And I was like, What are we even talking about? And I um at first I thought they were actually messing with me. I like laughed it off, you know, as this joke. And then, but they they just it was this look on one of their faces. I specifically remember one of the girls looked so serious when she was telling me this story that I just couldn't there was like a part of me that was like, I kind of, you know, I'm believing you, but I don't know if it's just I'm in a vulnerable state. I feel alone. Like there's these girls that are finally talking to me. I'm finally talking to someone other than myself. So I'm am I, you know, just super vulnerable right now. But I they started telling me that, you know, when it's really cold outside, I'm gonna start to hear these really weird noises. And then, but they were saying it to me like it was going to happen, more like a warning than it was um just a scary story you would tell your friends. It was kind of um it was unsettling, uh, to be honest. And um the one there was this one thing she said to me, and she said she said it happens in in three stages. Um what they said one, when it's cold and dark and I'm all alone, I'll hear like a ringing in my ears. It's like quiet, but it like will always be there. Um she said two, um, the dreams will start. And she said that I'll have more. Well, they're not dreams, they're nightmares. Um, and I asked, okay, well, you know, what are the nightmares about? And they said, they will appear, and I, you know, who's they? And they described them as people standing there staring at you naked, dead, and covered in blood. And they said, um, I'd start off by seeing them in my dreams, and then slowly over time, I'll start to see glimpses of them in my real life. Um, and then I'd question if I'd see them at all, and then like it would just be full schizophrenic mode at that point, is that's what I took from what they were saying. Um, and then they said, three, once the hallucinations stopped, you know, like I'd finally see him or the jingle man or whatever they called him. Um so again, at this point, I'm kind of unsure whether or not they are being serious or if they're joking, but there's just like this part of me that really truly, you know, believes what they're saying and is taking it in. Um and then, you know, a few days passed and life moves on, and I legitimately forgot about it for a while. And then uh I just come and go as normal. I go home, do my thing, and then it started to get to the point where I couldn't stop thinking about the story that they told me. Um, to the point where I was just I I just couldn't sleep. Like it was just constantly thinking about the jingle man and seeing these people. And so, you know, um, I went back to my group that week and I I started talking to them more about it. And I asked them, who are these people? What are they? Who are they supposed to be? And they explained that it was the people that you would see in your nightmares are his past victims. Um and so I mean it added a whole new creepy level factor. Um for sure.

SPEAKER_04 16:36

And at this point, while you're going to group, were you still taking medications at this time?

SPEAKER_00 16:44

Yeah, so um I was still on medication. Um, I'm I mean, yeah, I I I still am to this day, but it just not nearly as bad as it was when I first got there. Um, I'm basically on just regular antidepressants at this point. Um, and I was at the time as well. Um and uh yeah, they just kind of planted it on me in in the set in our meeting. I I mean, I kind of did ask for it. I did go up to them and kind of try and figure out what they were talking about. It just kind of intrigued me. I didn't know what they were. I've never heard of anything like that before. And even now I've tried to do research on on the topic and I haven't really been able to find that much. I just it's just based off of what they tell me, and I don't know where they found it from either.

SPEAKER_04 17:32

Yeah, it is difficult to find information on the jingle man. That's very interesting. It was the first time I had heard it between our communication. Everyone in this group was familiar or knew or and spoke about the jingle man.

SPEAKER_00 17:44

So, no, it wasn't everyone. It's just these like, so there's these like four girls that kind of just like talk a lot at the group, and um they just kind of talk a lot all the time, and they're known you see one of them, you're gonna see all of them, and they just kind of talk with each other all the time about random things. And I just was overhearing them during our break. Um, and I walked up to them and talked to them about it, and they they did say that um it's something that they've kind of like heard whispers of before in group themselves. So I'm assuming they probably also heard of it from someone else in group, but they're probably I don't think they go there anymore. I don't know where they went, but um yeah, they they found out about it in group before I even got there. So I mean, I don't know. I just I feel like I sound so stupid. Um because they have said stuff and I just I I can't tell if it's like manifested itself into my own life or if it's genuine.

SPEAKER_04 18:52

So they started talking about this and you started asking questions about it. And at what point did it start to to manifest in you or with you? W what kind of became of that?

SPEAKER_00 19:05

Okay, um I okay, so I I like I said before, I I started to think about it all the time, and it got to the point where I just couldn't sleep. And I relapsed back like um uh six months ago now, I guess, if we're keeping track, but I started to relapse because um I couldn't sleep, and I just I I needed something to make it easier to fall asleep, but it got to the point where I just I was thinking about so many things all the time. It was the jingle man, this spooky story that they're telling at group, just the whole mess of my whole life in general, um, trying to stay clean. Um, you know, I'm I'm still haven't really talked to my parents in a long time, and um eventually I'd like to rekindle our relationship and you know, um working and trying to figure out what I want to do with my life. It's just there's so many things all the time going on in my head, but recently they've just been like so loud, you know, like really loud, and it's gotten to the point where I I can't focus on even sleeping, so I just drink so that I can stop. It's it's basically gotten to the point where it's like a ringing in my head because I'm just thinking all the time. And um it's just always in the back of my head or these thoughts just constant of the jingle man, of dr drinking, of getting my life together, of all these things. And it's it's fine because, you know, what I've noticed is like as you know, the seasonal depression or whatever you want to call it ends, and you get into the spring, I start to feel better and things are fine and things are good, and life goes back to normal. And I feel like, you know, I can keep I can you know keep up with my own life and I can get my life together, and then it starts to get cold again, and then I just I don't know what happens, and it's just the sun sets early and it's just dark all the time, and I can't keep the thoughts away, and they're just so loud. Yeah, it's just it like I said, it's just like a ringing in my ears. And um so yeah, it just it it got to the point where I just couldn't sleep, and um, you know, I'd rather stay up and or I'd rather drink than stay up. And I don't I started to um I think, you know, manifest those visions of those people or whatever you wanna call 'em, the victims or I guess is what they like to call 'em. Um, and I you know, I genuinely think it's probably the lack of sleep at this point. Um and I mean it scared the hell out of me the first time I saw it or thought I you saw it and um I've just been trying to like not have to see it again. So drinking, taking painkillers and you know, getting high is just better than having to face the reality of all that if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_03 22:21

It's difficult.

SPEAKER_04 22:22

Um you've been through a lot. That is an understatement. I can't even imagine. And um I'm glad you have a support group that that helps. Where do you think this comes from? Is it like you're like you're saying you believe you're imagining this? Are you kind of just focused on what they told you and you're you're you're creating these visions? Do you believe you've seen anything?

SPEAKER_00 22:47

Um well, yeah. I mean, it's it's so hard to to really figure out what's going on in my head, because I feel like every single day for my entire life, I've always kind of second-guessed everything that I'm feeling. Um and, you know, that applies with the situation as well. I mean, this was the first time I think I've ever heard of anyone talk about the jingle man or seen anything about it. I found out about this um through my support group actually, because they someone of the girls found it and um they they told me, you know, you should go and talk about our experience or your experience or whatever. And um I I still haven't really c I haven't really come to terms with what I think I've seen. Um, but I guess to answer your question is I have yeah, I've seen I think I've seen the what they're talking about when it comes to the victims. Um it was it was uh really late and um I just took a bunch of pills and um the uh the ringing in my ears was starting to, you know, slowly go away. And I remember drifting off to sleep and I just for a split second I thought I heard, you know, like a shuffling in my room. And so I just you turned to the to the side and I see um just just it it was a person and you know it's is what you would imagine I guess a corpse to look like. They were covered in blood and just kind of staring at me. Um and i I believe it was I think it was a a man. Um and he was naked and covered in blood and just staring at me. And it was really quick. It happened really fast and at first I I I sat up right away, I turned the lights on, and I um I I didn't see it after I turned the lights on and you know it sorry, I'm just saying it sounds so stupid. Um No, it's okay.

SPEAKER_03 25:17

Take your time. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:20

Um I just hope I'm not losing my mind, you know. Um I I mean I at least I don't I don't think I am, because you know I think just from the little that we've spoken here, you sound very strong, and I've heard so much so many positive things, statements that you've made.

SPEAKER_04 25:41

And that's a great sign. Um your desire, you know, to kindle your relationship with your family, your parents, that's fantastic, and that's really important. And you should, you know, focus on that, stay in that lane. Yes, you're stronger than you think. Um obviously the alcohol and the meds, um I don't think those things are helping very much. Yeah, you know, what with those people in group, they kind of planted this just from what I see, and and I don't know anything, so I'm not even gonna pretend to, but it just seems like they planted this in your mind and you kind of focused on it. But again, I'm hearing a lot of good things.

SPEAKER_03 26:23

Thank you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 26:25

So where are you at at this time at this moment? It sounds like you're getting the the right help. Those girls are out of that group, I think you said, so I think that's a good thing. Where are things at the moment for you?

SPEAKER_00 26:38

Yeah, so um to go with that, um yes, not having the girls in the group is good um for me in some ways, um, because they're the reason this whole thing started, I feel. But at the same time, um, I'm still left with this, you know. I have all these thoughts about this ghost story that they told me that for some reason just won't leave my head. Um and I don't really have anyone to talk to about it. Uh it's gotten to the point where I don't know if anyone if I tell anyone, I just I feel like they're gonna look at me like I'm insane. And um they they convinced me to do this, but you know, it's relatively anonymous, so it's you know, I it's easier. Um but um yeah, I just I don't I don't know what to do with what I know and what I'm feeling and what I'm seeing. Um but to go off what you said, I am still in group. I'm in therapy. Um and you know, I'm living in a crappy one-bedroom apartment as of right now, but it's better than where I was. And um, you know, I I don't really have a lot of people in my life right now. Um every once in a while I'll, you know, contact the girls from group, but it's just once I start talking to them about it, I I notice that's when I start to think about it a lot more. Um and it becomes almost dangerous. And yeah, so I'm just I feel really alone, um, but I'm trying to do what the doctors are telling me to do, and because I've been told that's what works and that's what's you're supposed to do. So that's where we're at.

SPEAKER_04 28:49

What are they telling you uh in general about about what's happening and what you're seeing or imagining? What are they telling you?

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Um, they're kind of telling me that they just, you know, they they feast or the jingle man he feasts on the sad or the depressed or um he feasts on the people that are alone and have nothing left to turn to. Um basically, I I mean, I should have honestly just saying it out loud, I should have immediately from from the jump just walked away from the conversation because it sounds ridiculous. Um and I know that um they definitely said that to get under my skin because that's basically me to a T. Um Yeah, you know, honestly, the more I talk about it, I just I feel like they were probably punking me or I don't know. See, because I get to this point and then I I go back, and then some nights I'll be by myself and I I think I'm seeing things and then I think I'm losing my mind. It's just like this back and forth situation. I just don't know what to do.

SPEAKER_04 30:01

And uh Yeah, and those were the people in the group that told you this. Um, what about the group leaders, the doctors? What are they saying?

SPEAKER_00 30:10

Um It's honestly it's a little weird because they kind of always just got weird about the topic, you know, and they just told us to kind of think talk about something else, or um they asked us to just table that topic for another time or talk about it later. Um they just didn't anytime they heard about it or heard anyone talking about it, they asked us to to stop. Um but they never said, you know, oh, that's not true, or you know, it's they always got like a little weird around the topic. And anytime we started talking about it, they just shut it down. Um so we tried to talk about it silently or during our breaks, which is when I heard about the first time. And um it just became like a gossip, you know, like the thing we weren't supposed to talk about. Um, and so then it made us want to talk about it more, and then, you know, it went from there.

SPEAKER_04 31:15

And I didn't realize this was all so recent. It just started a couple of years ago.

SPEAKER_03 31:19

Yes, yeah. The accident was years ago.

SPEAKER_04 31:22

So you say it comes in the wintertime, it gets cold. How has this season been? We just went through the holidays, we're into a new year. What's going on at the moment? How are you feeling right now?

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Um, partially the reason I wanted to even, you know, have this conversation or felt motivated enough to agree to have this conversation is because I've started to, you know, I've started to see them again. And um the the ringing is getting louder again, and um it's you know, same time every year, like clockwork, you know, it happened, it's been happening for the last few years now. And um every year I get to the summertime and I feel good and I'm you know feeling great about my life again, and I feel like my life is turning around, and I always think, you know, by the time winter happens, it's not gonna happen to me this time. This time it's gonna be fine. We're gonna look, it's it was a dud few years, but we've come through the other side. Um then winter rolls around and I'm right here and things are happening again, and it's getting, you know, scary.

SPEAKER_04 32:42

How often does this happen? And when this does come on, how long does it last and then how do you deal with it when it comes on?

SPEAKER_00 32:52

Basically, I am I just when it happens. Um because it just in the moment you're trying to decide whether or not what's happening is real. And you start to feel crazy and living alone, it's not easy either. I can't, you know, turn to the person next to me and ask, Is this can you see this too? Um so sometimes I just stare at them and they stare back and they never move. Um, they never scream, they never say anything, they never walk any closer, they just stare. Um and it's like they're staring at a part of yourself that you don't even know about, um if that makes any sense. And it's just God, it's so scary. It's it's like you're paralyzed and you can't move. Um, and you don't want to move because you feel like if you move they're gonna move closer or something's gonna happen. And so um what I've done is I've started to keep um a light next to my bed and um I turn it on, and sometimes that helps, and sometimes they go away. Um but there's other times too where um I still see them, and the only way to get them to go away is to just try I try to force yourself to fall asleep, and the only way that I've been successful in doing that is drinking or getting high in some way, so that I can focus long enough on not paying attention to them that I can sleep, you know.

SPEAKER_04 35:13

So the the drinking that's still going on?

SPEAKER_03 35:19

Uh yeah, yeah. Okay. What else?

SPEAKER_00 35:27

Well, um I sometimes I miss group, you know. I uh I just don't feel like going to the place where it kind of all started. But then, you know, I just sometimes people still talk about it. Every once in a while I'll hear the whispers of people talking about oh, the Jingle Man theory or conspiracy or whatever, and it just makes me think about then going to bed and sleeping, and then it gives me anxiety, and I just I I'd just rather not think about it during the day if I don't have to. But um, now I'm missing like the good parts of group where I'm I'm not really talking about anything to anybody, really. I just kind of go to work and come home and I live this lonely life and I don't really have anyone to talk to or share it with. And I think it's making it worse, to be honest. Um, but I just I feel like it's so much easier at any time of the year. I can I can just get myself out of bed, talk to the people I need to talk to, do what I need to do, and it's fine. I just I don't know why I can't do that now or during this time of the year. It's just so frustrating. It's like there's something wrong with me, you know.

SPEAKER_04 36:51

So So you're working. What else are you doing away from group? What are your hobbies? What what do you enjoy?

SPEAKER_00 37:00

Um, well, I like to draw. Um and I like to journal. Um, I actually journaled um all of this stuff, you know, after it happened, I have my journals from back uh six months ago when I started hearing these stories. Um and uh yeah, I like to do some art. Um sometimes I'll draw and post online and you know, it at least it gives me something to distract myself. I can get lost into a painting. It's uh I've done some paintings take me like 15 hours to complete. Um and you know, when you focus like that, it gives your brain something to focus on and quiets the noise without having to do anything, you know dangerous like taking medicine or drinking.

SPEAKER_04 37:56

So absolutely being creative, that's uh always been an outlet for me. I can't draw for crap, but writing, writing is my thing. So I love to write and uh music.

SPEAKER_03 38:08

So definitely, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 38:11

Yeah, it's great to have something that's where you need to keep focusing. Just dive into it. Your journals, write, keep drawing, keep listening to music, stay positive. Again, I know easier said than done, but focus on those things, the things that just make you happy, that occupy your mind, your thoughts. An idle mind is the devil's playground. It's the truth. So we just gotta keep our minds occupied and keep with your group. Try not to miss those. I don't want to sound like a you know a parent pointing a finger, but you know No, it's okay. Try to stay on that and like like I said before, you know, you sound like a you have a good head on your shoulders, you're stronger than you think. Um and there's people there for you. You have my contact information, so I want you to know you can reach out to me anytime you want to come back and talk. And I think a lot of people that are in your shoes will hear this, and I think they're gonna be inspired of your strength. You you know, you keep going, and I think you know what you need to keep doing, you know, for cat, for you. What's good for you? Just focus on that. You know, ask yourself that. Every day you wake up, you know, ask yourself what what's gonna be good for cat today.

SPEAKER_03 39:31

Right.

SPEAKER_04 39:33

And let yourself answer that question. And then, you know, you like to journal, maybe write it down what your day is gonna be like. Kind of manifest your day, the good things. Write down today I'm gonna do this. Today, this is what's gonna happen. Today, I'm gonna smile, today I'm gonna choose to be happy, all the negative thoughts get out of my head. I am stronger than you, I am more powerful than you. Today I am going to be happy. Today, nothing is gonna get the best of cat. Tell yourself that every day. And just and go from there and keep doing what you're doing. You know, you're here, you're in the moment, you know you're living your life. I know a lot of things may suck, but you can get through this. You can work your way through it. But stay away from the things that work against you, and you know what those things are. You're better than that. And again, I don't want to sound like I'm trying to preach to you or anything, but you're fine. I hear you talk and I hear a lot of the things you say, and I don't hear someone that's um too far gone. I'm not listening to a dummy. Uh, you're a smart gal.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

Well, I appreciate that. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 40:42

For sure. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

I hope this was helpful for what you needed.

SPEAKER_04 40:47

I'm I'm here for you. Again, this is uh kind of out of the box for me and for the show. So when they came to me, like I said, I wasn't sure how to approach this. Um, but I I want to make sure this is good for you.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

Yeah, no, I'm that's what's important for me. Yeah, there's a part of me that feels like I definitely needed to do this, you know. Um, so I'm I'm thankful to have been able to get the opportunity to do so. So thank you for that.

SPEAKER_04 41:12

What does the coming week look like for you? What's gonna happen this week?

SPEAKER_00 41:16

Uh work group, obviously. Um, I don't know, maybe I'll um maybe I'll uh try and calm call my mom or something, see, see how that goes. Um just I I think just anything to get me out of whatever routine and funk I'm in right now would be good for me. So maybe just something different. I'll just say something different this week is what I'll do.

SPEAKER_04 41:44

Yeah, that sounds like a a good plan for sure. Definitely. Pick up the phone, uh, give mom a ring, chat, listen to some music. Um remember what I said, just each day, you manifest your day. You don't have to, you know, look too far ahead, week, month, years. No, take it day by day and you manifest each day. Kat is in control of cat's day. So start it on a positive note. Like I said, you mean if you have to like make goals for the day or write down a few things, you manifest it. You're in control. I'm gonna stay in touch with you. I'm gonna make sure that you're uh you're doing that, all right?

SPEAKER_03 42:21

All right.

SPEAKER_04 42:22

So uh I hope this uh it was good getting that off your off your chest.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 42:28

Such a sensitive thing, so thanks for for sharing that.

SPEAKER_00 42:32

Yeah, and I appreciate you for listening. I know it's uh, you know, this stuff can get kind of heavy sometimes, so yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 42:39

But no, it's all good. I'm here for you. Thanks, Kat.

SPEAKER_00 42:42

Thanks. Appreciate you.

SPEAKER_04 42:46

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