A Visit Through a Dream

AOTP EP:18 Tonight, I welcome Bruce, who comes to us from Florida, sharing his profound experiences with paranormal visitations, including dreams of loved ones and encounters with spirits.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:43

Welcome to the show. Tonight, I welcome Bruce, who comes to us from Florida, sharing his profound experiences with paranormal visitations, including dreams of loved ones and encounters with spirits. Bruce, welcome to the show.

SPEAKER_00 1:10

Thank you. How are you, Gino?

SPEAKER_01 1:12

I am good, my friend. Happy to have you here.

SPEAKER_00 1:15

Happy to be here. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

Oh, you're welcome. How's it? How's the weather out there in beautiful Florida?

SPEAKER_00 1:22

It is a gorgeous day in northwest Orlando. It is approximately 92 degrees outside. And uh the pool will be calling my name after uh we wrap up.

SPEAKER_01 1:34

Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, it's uh it's a nice uh sunny day here too on the west coast. Not quite as warm, but it's in definitely in the low 80s. But that's awesome. Happy to hear that. And I I say my friend because we are in fact friends and we've known each other uh going on uh probably eight, nine years now.

SPEAKER_00 1:52

Close enough to it, yes.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

Yeah. And uh we and just for the listeners, so they're aware, yeah. We um we used to work at a financial institution together, uh, we were both underwriters there. That's how we met. We became friends, and um uh even you know, then you moved some years later to Florida, we stay in touch. And what's interesting is how uh neither of us uh you know were aware of the fact that uh we were both um interested in the paranormal. And I certainly uh were not aware of uh the things that you've experienced. Um you found out about my show when I released it, and then you reached out to me and said, Boy, do I got some stories for you? And I I had no idea. Oh yeah. Yeah. But it kind of goes, you know, to to the proof and the fact about how that's a touchy subject. It's a difficult subject to touch on for most people. You know, it's not something you just bring up, you know, in in passing normally, but uh happy to hear about that um from you. So yeah, we're gonna let's get into it. Um you have had Yeah, let's go. You and you know what I like to do, I like to go back to the beginning, let the people talk, tell their story. Um, this for you, you've had a lot of a lot of visitations and dreams from loved ones who've passed on. And this kind of goes back to when you were looks like it started when you were around 11. Let's go from there.

SPEAKER_00 3:10

Let's talk about it. My first visitation was my grandfather, my paternal grandfather, and this happened in 1989 in the fall, and uh it was a couple of days after my birthday. Uh I'll tell you a little bit about the man, and uh when you hear about it, you can understand my appreciation for all things that are quote unquote occult. Uh, if you were to imagine a slight resemblance to Alfred Hitchcock and a hint of a Romanian accent, because the family is part Transylvanian, and he often made trips to Asia uh for spiritual fulfillment. He was born in Eastern Europe, a Jew. He married a Catholic here in the States when he was of age, and he died a Buddhist. So that in his 76, 77 years on this planet, should kind of give a little idea that he has studied all kinds of religions, all kinds of beliefs, and when he finally got to the edge of his uh the end of his existence, he was able to piece things together in a way that made sense and a way that worked for him on a day-to-day basis. So he leaned more towards Buddhism and uh he made many trips to Asia. I used to spend almost every weekend uh with him and uh my nanny. Uh, so me, my sister, and my younger brother would be dropped off there every Saturday while my parents operated the hair salon. And uh anytime he would be coming back from a trip, imagine Alfred Hitchcock, but he's also Indiana Jones. Because he would bring back these idols, uh like wooden carvings of Hindu gods, uh, little brass or gold statues of Hindu gods. He would have quartz crystals of all different shapes, colors, and sizes. He would have a miniature museum in his bedroom that he would keep, uh, books about all things uh dealing with spirituality. So it seemed, and I didn't understand this at the time, the older he got, the more in touch he wanted to be with what's out there beyond the spirit, the uh the physical plane. And I became fascinated with the stuff that he would bring back. I was one of the only grandchildren that he had that took interest in the things that he would bring back from Asia. So for that, he took an interest in me. And anytime he would come back, he would say, Hey Bruce, I have something I would like to show you. And uh those are you know core memory unlocked type of thing. And uh he died uh in front. This might get it a little emotional. Uh, he died in front of me on on my 11th birthday. Uh as was custom in those days with our family. We would all get together at uh him and my grandmother's house, and we would celebrate all birthdays and holidays there. And uh he passed away of a massive stroke while he was pruning the uh the bushes, you know, or trimming the bushes and the trees outside on the front lawn with my father. And uh this is where the dreams started, or when the dreams started more specifically. Uh the week of his death was uh actually the whole night of his death was a very uh surreal experience because within three hours, every relative that we had in the state of New York was there at the house. We had about 50 people in the house in a matter of hours. And uh next couple of days, uh my father's sister, uh, I guess as a goodwill gesture or a gesture of kindness to to the widow, uh, she redesigned the entire uh the interior of the uh of the house. So a lot of the furniture was either thrown away or reupholstered, and services come and go. And uh within a few days of the uh the burial, you know, quote unquote, we buried a casket, but we actually have uh he was cremated. I have the ashes here in my apartment, as a matter of fact. Uh a couple of days after that, I have this dream where it's the aftermath of the services, and the family is getting together at my grandmother's house to pay their last respects. And house is loaded again in the dream, and in the dream, all of the old furniture was still there. So the home looked like my aunt had never touched it. And I remember this dream. We were I was with I was with my parents and my two siblings, and we were walking into the house, and uh everyone was just chit-chatting, you know. It's it's a largely Italian family, you know, that uh my grandfather married into. So of course everyone was speaking very loudly and you know, laughing, singing, having some wine here and there. And as I'm walking in, we have this full house. No one seems to notice that my grandpa is sitting on what was my favorite chair in his living room, and he's looking straight at me with a a big comforting smile on his face. No one no one can see him, and I walk right up to him and I give him a hug and a kiss on the cheek. And I said, Grandpa, what are you doing here? We just uh had your funeral the other day, and he looked at me with another big smile and he said, I just wanted to make sure everyone was okay. And that was the end of the dream. So I woke up not even seconds later, and that was my first visitation, as uh as I like to call it. Uh the other one happened five years later when his widow died of lung cancer.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

Okay, so you had this dream, you woke up, you're 11 years old. Yeah, I know now looking back, why was this a visitation and not a dream? And what were your thoughts or feelings when you woke up? Did you just wake up at that time thinking, oh, I had a dream about grandpa? When did that change about how you define that?

SPEAKER_00 9:29

At the time I did not consider it as a visitation, I just considered it as a dream. And over the years, dreams like this would repeat, and they all had uh two commonalities. One they all happened within a few days of so-and-so's passing, and uh the other was that I was the only person that could see or hear this uh whoever had been lost, and they were all very brief in their message. So the dreams all had parallels. So uh friend or relative, they pass away, and within a few days of their passing, I will see them in a dream, and they will have a very brief uh greeting or a message or farewell for me, and I will wake up shortly after. And uh the odds of this happening, you know, as often as they did, started to make me believe that the mind, or at least mind does, everyone has their different connection to the world beyond us. Some people can actually see and hear things, some people can hear so clearly that a conversation with a deceased person is just as audible as the one you and I are having right now. I don't have that type of perception. So when it comes to me, my theory of uh what's happening here is that when I sleep, my mind is unlocked, and it allows visitations from these people who quote unquote should not be here, and they will tell me, you know, hello, or I miss you, I love you, you're doing great, you know, and keep on doing what you're doing, you know, fortune cookie type messages. And I also have reason to believe that whoever or whatever allows them to visit does not allow them to visit for long. So whenever I have these dreams, these interactions, they are often just a few moments at a time and the conversations are very, very brief, if any like uh almost abrupt.

SPEAKER_01 11:40

And when did the next one happen or the next visitation happen after that initial one?

SPEAKER_00 11:47

The second one happened when my grandfather's widow died five years later from later. And much like the dream I had with grandpa, nanny's dream was very similar in the sense that the house was packed with relatives, all paying their last respects. The furniture was as it was in the early 80s while I was growing up, as opposed to what the home looked like in 1994 when my grandmother had passed. And in this dream, my grandfather was in the kitchen with my grandmother. My grandmother was frantically trying to prepare food and make sure there was enough dishware and drinkware available for as many guests as the home had. So she said nothing to me. She was busy doing like dishes and cutting vegetables and tomatoes and stuff. And my grandfather was by the uh the kitchen door. The the doorway had a uh a doorway. I'm sorry, the kitchen had a doorway to the back of the house, to the backyard, and he's just standing by that door, and the light is catching him in a certain way. And and uh so I walk up to grandpa because Nanny is busy, and I said, Grandpa, uh, it's great to see you both. Uh you guys are dead. What are you guys doing here? And he looked at me with a similar smile to the one he had five years previous, and he said almost the exact same thing. He just he said to me, We just wanted to make sure that everyone was okay. And then moments later I woke up from this dream and did whatever I was going to do that day.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

Okay, so now you're well into your teens, you know, your late teens, around 16 or so, on the second visitation. When you woke from this one, what were your feelings or thought about what you had dreamt?

SPEAKER_00 13:38

It didn't feel like a coincidence. Because when I was 11 and I had that first dream, I I thought I just had a good dream. And when I was 16, when my grandmother had passed, and the dream was almost identical to the one that I had five years previous, I was already questioning what are the odds of dreaming and seeing my grandparents' house as I remembered it when I was a child during more innocent and more simple times. And the two of them are there, not a single person in this house packed of 50 people can see them except for me. And the message from the both of them is the same.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

So you started to question what was happening at this time now.

SPEAKER_00 14:25

Yeah, that's when I was beginning to wonder, and I was a little more mature at that point because I was around 16. So at that point, I was beginning to wonder if these were really visitations from beyond the grave, as opposed to just a nice dream of someone who had passed away. And just like the first one, the second dream happened within a few days of her death.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

And going just to go back real quick to your grandfather while he was alive and and you had mentioned taking an interest uh in uh the things that he was you know into uh and he recognized your interest. Yes. Did he touch on that because or or how I guess I should say uh how much did he uh talk to you about that or express his beliefs to you? I know you were very young, so I imagine he probably didn't do a whole lot, but did he get into it at all with you? Did he talk about what he was into? Did he like did he get into the weeds?

SPEAKER_00 15:19

Absolutely at that age. Oh yeah. Uh he got into the weeds with me and my mother. Uh when it came to me, I was too young to really process some of the things that he did outside of the man that uh uh the times that we had at his house. Because I already told you about Alfred Hitchcock and Indiana Jones, he was also an Ed Warren type. So while he was not associated with the Warren family in any way, at least not to my knowledge, he did participate in helping rid homes of troublesome spirits or poltergeists, particularly in the American Southeast. And some of the stories I overheard him talking to my mother in the kitchen about a few of them. I couldn't sleep for days, dude. He was telling me about haunted houses in New Orleans that he would visit with his uh society, whoever he was doing this with. Uh, he had a couple of pupils that would visit the house, and you know, he would introduce me to them, but uh they would go and and do these uh cleansings, if you will. And we're talking about the stereotypical ghost story of the pots and pans flying around in the kitchen, uh, people getting grabbed by their ankles and ripped off of the beds while they're sleeping, uh, things like that. He was observing this in ridiculously haunted homes. And he and his associates would try to get these spirits out of these houses to allow the uh the dead to rest in peace and allow the families that inhabited the homes to live in peace. So those are the stories that I overheard, uh just a few of them, but still, like you listen to that for five minutes when you're 10 or 11 years old, you know, you're gonna have nightmares. Worse than any of the Freddie Krueger movies, no doubt about it. Because this is real. You know, the man was not a hustler, he was not a huckster, he was not a liar, he was he was a stand-up guy, and he these were true, real stories that he was bringing back and talking to my mother about. But when it came to me specifically, to go back to your question, he did not tell me about any of this. Uh he kept that private. When it came to me, the relationship was kind of like Professor X and one of the X-Men, because uh he had this gift, I suppose, where actually, you know what? Let me go back. Uh I told you he used to bring back these quartz crystals from Asia. And uh when I was an infant, this is how one of the reasons why he took an interest in me, this story. Uh, when I was an infant, he was holding on to me in the bedroom and he put a quartz crystal in my hand. And as the story goes, because I was an infant and I don't remember doing this, I apparently wrapped my fingers around the quartz crystal and put it to my head. That is how monks pray in Tibet. And as I was becoming a toddler, uh, you might recall that I do like to do art on the side. Uh, my drawing started at my grandparents' house because we were there for a full day. There were no video games at the house and no toys for me to play with, so I would just find paper and crayons, and I would just draw. And I don't remember doing this either because again, I was maybe two or three at best. I apparently had drawn a design or a symbol, and uh my grandfather confiscated it. And uh he's like, Go ahead, Bruce, you can keep drawing, draw something different. So when my father, Bruce Sr., uh came wrapped up the hair salon and came in to pick up me and my sister, uh, my grandfather said, Bruce, I gotta show you something. So he goes to grab the drawing, and he's showing the drawing to my father, and my father's like, Great, my kid likes to draw. What's the big deal? I'll show you what the big deal is. He then grabbed one of his books about Tibetan monks from his library, and from the pages, he showed my father the exact same design. And I had no access to his library. I was two or three, I was not climbing up any shelves to get to a book, didn't even know how to read books. So he took the crystal story and the art story, and that's how he determined. Bruce, your son was a Tibetan monk in a former life. And I've noticed a few things else about him. Uh, he also might have been a Ferguson warrior in the Scottish Highlands, way beyond that. And when you watch your son grow and mature, you're gonna notice that he's gonna like to be barefoot almost all the time. And as we speak, I currently am. And he's also going to like uh nuts and dates, which is also correct. I do enjoy, you know, trail mix type, you know, snacks. Uh, whether or not it has anything to do with me wearing a kilt at a nightclub at two o'clock in the morning, it was uh not to be determined at that time. But he did mention he had this way that he could observe a person, their behaviors, and he could get a good idea of what that person might have been doing in a previous life or a previous existence. And as time went, he would watch me every week because every Saturday we were at his house. This is gonna sound very Star Wars, it's gonna sound very Anakin Skywalker, it's gonna sound ridiculous, but at some point he did say to my father, Bruce, there are dark forces that are in this world, and they're going to take a very heavy interest in your son, and they're going to tempt him constantly. But you and your wife Linda have to do your darndest to make sure that he grows up to be a good, honest man.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

How did your father react to that?

SPEAKER_00 21:31

He took it seriously because he knew that my grandfather was not full of it. Uh my father did not have an interest in the occult like I did. But whatever my grandfather said, my father was sure to do it because, again, my father knew that my grandfather knew what he was talking about. And he had observed, like he had met my grandfather's pupils, you know, he he heard all the stories of the things that he would do when he would get poltergeist out of houses. And my father is. Somewhat religious man. So he took it to heart, and he was specifically uh specifically strict with me as opposed to my other two siblings over the years. And it wasn't until a couple of years ago that he told me that's why uh Bruce, that's why I was stern with you. It's because that's what your grandfather wanted. And it started, I mean, it felt hilarious at first, because again, it sounds like Anakin Skywalker, you know, being tempted by the dark side of the force. So I'm laughing, you know, because I grew up with Star Wars as a kid. I'm like, I don't remember watching Star Wars with grandpa and dad. And but then a couple of years later, it did make sense because there was uh actually today's the anniversary now that I think about it. 2009, I was arrested for drunk driving in the town of Amityville. Yes, that Amityville, where the horror house is. And I was uh down on my luck at the time, severely depressed. I was in between jobs, things were not looking good, and uh specifically remember that I would I couldn't sleep. And I couldn't sleep because I would hear whispers around me at night, unintelligible whispers from uh a language that I could not recognize or understand. Uh, I would get these images in my head of what type of creature would be communicating in this way, I would feel breathing on my face as I was trying to sleep, you know, and then I would just jump out of bed and look around, and there's nothing there. But these are things that I would experience uh at the height of my depression after the arrest. I started praying and it eventually went away. And after I look back on that ex that particular experience and how long I was you know kept up at night by these whispers and whatever it was that was there, that's when I'm really like, you know what, my grandfather was right. You know, whatever is out here knows that I'm in a bad way right now, knows that I just got arrested, might have been participating in the events that led to my getting drunk and getting caught and getting arrested. And now they're trying to take me, so I better start taking prayer seriously. And I did that. And uh again, the uh the unintelligible murmurs and whispers went away. These visions of these horrid creatures that might have been standing around me went away. I was finally able to sleep again. And I credit it to this Star Wars story that my dad told me because I had experiences in life that made it all made sense. It's it wasn't until I screwed up. I had to learn the hard way, I guess.

SPEAKER_01 24:50

After the second visitation, the one with your grandmother, do you recall what the next one was and how long after that it happened?

SPEAKER_00 25:00

Yes, it was oh goodness, almost 10 years after that. But if you don't mind, I would love to take a sidebar because there were a couple of paranormal experiences that I had before that. So in 2001, I started seeing a girl that was clairvoyant. And uh the backstory on her was that uh her mother had passed away when she was young. She's the youngest of eight kids, and anytime a holiday or a birthday was coming around and the whole family was there, and of course, when you have eight siblings, some of which have children, it's a very large family. So whenever the house was packed, odd things would happen, like lights turning on and off, like doors opening and closing. No one could hear my girlfriend's mother, you know, but there were enough instances around the house to make it clear that she was there. And I myself never observed any of that, but I did observe this. There was one evening where I went to go see my girlfriend at the house. She was still living with her dad. I don't remember what she was upset about, but I just remember that I had spent most of the evening consoling her because she was in a very bad way. And while we're just sitting there talking out whatever was bothering her, a picture frame uh made of painted uh purple uh wooden frame, thick wood, flew off the wall and onto the floor. At which point Karen just got quiet. The tears stopped. It was a completely different Karen than it was two minutes two seconds earlier. And then Karen just looked at me and she said, My mother bought me that picture frame. So after having heard that the mother was visiting the house whenever relatives were there, it seemed pretty obvious to me and to Karen that her mom was there consoling her, just as I was there consoling her. And there was one night uh sometime after that, uh, Karen had a candelabra that could hold three candles on it. And we were just sitting there watching TV. She used to love watching Golden Girls, so I had to watch every single episode of Golden Girls There was at least twice in my lifetime. But there was one night where all of the flames were lit on the candles of the candelabra, and they were all perfectly still and tilted at a 90-degree angle and held steady there. I had never seen that anything like that before in my life. No flicker, no uh no wave, nothing. It looked like Christmas lights that were hanging off to the side. And she noticed it, and that's when she says, That's usually a sign that a presence might be here in the house with us.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

And how long was it like that?

SPEAKER_00 28:02

It was like that the whole night. We never saw it since, we never saw it before, but that night when she had the candle opera lit, every single one of those lights was pointed in one direction at a 90-degree angle, perfectly still.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

Did she ever mention any other type of activity happening in there?

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Yes, and I was there for some of it. Karen had a uh a foolish need to dabble in witchcraft and spellcasting. And when we had first met, uh she told me that uh she had done a spell cast when she was fifteen, that a rival in high school would get pregnant with uh or or situated with an unwanted pregnancy. And when it comes to Wicca and spellcasting and all that, the rule is whatever you cast on someone else will come back to you threefold. What else could possibly be three times worse than an unwanted pregnancy? Answer, losing your own mother. So she stopped practicing or dabbling or whatever she was doing. She uh took the blame, basically. Yeah, she didn't talk about that freely with her relatives, but she she felt very guilty and she felt like she had something to do with her mother's passing. And when she and I were together, she's thinking, all right, well, I'm older now, I could probably handle this a lot more responsibly and maturely. So she would do spell casts from money because she was broke like a joke. And I specifically remember hearing the sound of rustling leaves in the bedroom. She had a wooden floor in that room. The windows were closed because it's New York State and it's cold during the wintertime. There's no reason for us to have the windows open. So I remember hearing rustling leaves along the floor of the room without any leaves being there. And shortly after she was done with that spell cast, she's got this big smile on her face. All right, let's see what happens now. And a couple weeks after that, she got rear-ended in a car accident. She actually got rearended twice within 30 days.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

How soon after she had done that spell cast to that person in school did her mother pass? Do you know? Do you recall?

SPEAKER_00 30:42

I I don't recall, if I remember right, her mother had gotten sick. So it would not have happened immediately. It would have been a a slow, uh, a slow death for lack of a better selection of words.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

Yeah, that's interesting to to know. Uh just trying to put it together. I don't know, maybe to help her uh, you know, to to recognize that maybe it wasn't her, you know. That's that's a that's a pretty tough thing to carry around.

SPEAKER_00 31:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:11

You had uh mention your notes to me to not get too far away from your grandparents. Um messages that you received uh through a friend. If you just would touch on that.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

I had a friend when I was living in Buffalo. Uh she was actually from Toronto, so she would come down every now and again and visit. Uh, this friend had a unique psychic gift, and she put it on display for me without me knowing what she was doing. We were in Las Vegas one year, and she said, Hey, uh that pendant that you're wearing around your neck, Bruce, do you wear that often? Yes, as a matter of fact, I do. Can I have it, please? And she takes it into her hand and she just closes her eyes and she's shaking this pendant in her closed fist, and she's starting to tell me things about my past or uh or present that she never would have known otherwise. So she would mention, right now you don't have the best relationship with your parents, or right now you're this or that, or a couple of years ago, this happened. You know, so she was able to tell me things that she had never heard from myself or anyone else, and I thought that was amazing. So when she came to visit when I was in Buffalo, I grabbed one of my grandfather's keepsakes from his trips to Asia. He has a set of Tibetan prayer beads that he died with, they were in his pocket. And when I was an adult, my father gave me the prayer beads. I'm looking right at them now, as a matter of fact. Uh, Bruce, these belong to your grandfather. When he died, he had these in his pocket. And now that you're old enough to understand what they are, I want you to have them. So I kept them in a safe place, and I grabbed the Tibetan prayer beads, which were acquired in Tibet. You know, not just something that was bought on the side of the road with the title Tibetan Prayer Beads on it. He actually went to Tibet and acquired them. So I've got the beads, and I said, Courtney, hey, you remember that thing that you did in Las Vegas where you had my pendant in your hand and you were able to tell me all kinds of wild stuff that I never told you before? Yeah, why? Try this. So I hand her the Tibetan prayer beads. Now, at the time this happened, it was 2012. I was living in Buffalo, and I do I was not a good fit there. Uh, it was a very depressing time. I it was difficult for me to find work. A lot of people hated me because I was from Long Island, and Long Islanders are not popular up there. So uh my uh relationship that I was in was starting to get abusive. So I was just not very happy. I was isolated from everyone that I knew or loved by several uh hundred miles, and I just I felt like a prisoner, and the depression was so bad, you know, that I was literally praying for death on some nights. So that's that's where my head was at at the time this happened. So she grabs the prayer beads, and she did the same thing that she did in Las Vegas. She's got a closed fist around the beads, and she's got her eyes closed, and she's leaning her head back, and she's describing the eye uh the landscape of where the beads were acquired from. She's describing the monk that gave my grandfather the beads, and we actually have a picture of this man somewhere in my father's house. So she's able to see things that I had been looking at for 15 years at that point, 20 years at that point, that she never knew about. And she's telling me about the ocean, uh, about the boat that my grandfather or whoever it was that had those beads traveled on. And at that point, after she had described where the beads came from without knowing anything about them, she started to complain that it was difficult for her to breathe. And she started, she was thinking out loud, it's getting very hot in here. I am having difficulty breathing. And very quickly it escalated to there is a presence here. Uh, whoever this person is, he loves you very much. I'm not even sure it's a he. He or she loves you very much. The feeling that I get is that this person wants to hug you or pat you on the back. And at that point, the temperature started going up on my friend Courtney, and her breathing was was even more labored. And at that point, she says, Someone is trying to say something to you. Uh, I'm only getting two words from who this is. And I asked her, What are the words? And the words were, and I quote, do it, live.

SPEAKER_01 36:04

What do you think that meant?

SPEAKER_00 36:06

I think that my grandfather was watching from the beyond and saw how distraught and depressed I was in Buffalo and wanted me to know that he was observing, that he was watching, that he was there, and that he saw maybe potential for something better than what I was doing, or whatever the case may be, he was encouraging me to keep going and and do more and be better, you know. Go out there and live. Don't give up.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

That's great. That's something you definitely needed to hear at that moment, that's for sure. Absolutely. When this was happening, um, where were you guys at? Were you guys at home or something? Where were you when she was doing this when this was taking place?

SPEAKER_00 36:52

We were in my apartment. Uh, myself and a different girlfriend were living together in Buffalo, and uh Courtney and another friend had come to visit us for the weekend. So this was done in my living room on the floor. And uh as soon as I as soon as she gave me that quote from my grandfather or whoever it was, at that point, I was, you know, fighting very hard to withhold the tears. And at that point, I figured I've seen enough. All right, let's shut this down now. And you know, you could take a breather and I can take a drink.

SPEAKER_01 37:23

Did she ever tell you anything else?

SPEAKER_00 37:25

Not from her. In 2010, I was visiting South Carolina to see a girl. At that time, uh, it was about a year into the DWI. I was fighting with the courts and still unemployed and collecting unemployment benefits. So I did some traveling for meant, you know, mental health. And I visit a girl in South Carolina who claims to be clairvoyant. And uh after a couple of days, we're sitting there in her bed and we're watching TV, and she notices that her dog is scared to death. Sitting on her guest couch, just trembling. And at that point, you know, the she's calling the dog, the dog wouldn't come up to her, so she got up and she picked up the dog and she brought it into the bed. And at that point, she said to me, Bruce, I I've been hiding this for a couple of days. Uh I I can't hide it anymore. You when you came up to my home here in South Carolina, you did not come alone. And I said, What are you talking about? There is an older woman and a young man. Uh the older woman does not want me to see her. She's wearing a dress. She has a flowery scent to her. She's not a malicious spirit. Whoever this person is, this person loves you. And I can't see her face, but I can tell that she kind of walks with a hunch. So I could tell that she's an older person, and the other spirit with her is a man that is more your age. And I'm thinking to myself, okay, you're probably seeing my grandmother, and you're probably also seeing my cousin Adam, who passed away at the age of 33 almost 20 years ago. So I'm thinking, okay, uh, looks like I was followed, you know, and my grandmother was uh kind of favorite, uh, you know, favorite Adam a lot, so that that's how I figured these are the two spirits that I was with. The next day is when I was convinced. Because the next day this girl wakes up and she said, I had a dream last night that I was walking through a house I had never been inside it before. Okay? What kind of house was it? Gino, she described the blueprint of my grandparents' house room by room without having seen a single photograph. She described walking into the rear entrance where the kitchen is that I had mentioned, going through the kitchen, going through the dining room, going into the living room, hooking a right, and seeing the guest room, the bedroom, and the spare room, and the bathroom. She described the entire house without having seen a single photo. And at that point, I'm thinking, okay, nanny's here.

SPEAKER_01 40:46

And there's just absolutely no way she could have known or found out.

SPEAKER_00 40:51

Absolutely not.

SPEAKER_01 40:53

Did she have any messages for you after that?

SPEAKER_00 40:57

This particular girl did not have any messages for me after that. She just said that whoever it was, uh, they were uh partially hostile to her because they didn't like her and protective of me. And after this happened, one thing leads to another, you know, and she and I are no longer speaking. But uh before that happened, her father was terminally ill, and she would start to see presences inside the house as she got closer to his passing. You know, shadow figures, you know, uh no one that she can identify, just random figures and and random shadows that would enter the house. And she might have been full of it because she was not the most honest person in the world. But the description that she had given me of my grandmother and my cousin, as well as my grandmother's house, were spot on without having any prior knowledge of what any of them looked like.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

Yeah, I know that that had to have blown you away for sure when she was describing the the layout of that home. That's that's incredible. Yeah. And certainly helped you to help to convince you about the things that she was telling you about those who came with you, according to her. But um, yeah, that's funny that she said they didn't like her, and then it ends up going south. Like it's it's almost like they came to say, let's uh get away from this one. Exactly. Get out now. Um, exit stage left. That's pretty that's that that's pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_00 42:36

And to let you know how crazy it actually did get, Gino, we went to Waffle House at some point that weekend, and we're just sitting there enjoying some waffles. And next thing you know, it uh the air vent flies off the wall inside the Waffle House. Inexplicably. And the girl that I was with just looks at me with cartoon eyes bulging out of her head, and I the only the first thing that is that them, and she just nods her head. So not only did they disapprove of her, but they tried to throw an air vent at her.

SPEAKER_01 43:09

Uh that yeah, I don't mean to that's just that's funny. That's actually, I mean, we're looking back. We're looking back, so we can laugh about it. That's crazy. Yeah, that is crazy. Um we're running close now on time. I know I'm just looking at staring at my screen and my notes. I know you got a lot more to touch on, and I don't think we're gonna be able to do it. I try to keep these episodes under an hour for the listeners so they can catch an episode on their commute or at the gym. If you don't mind, let's come back for a part two so you can button up. I know you still have a lot to touch on. How's that sound?

SPEAKER_00 43:40

That sounds fantastic. All right.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

Let's do that. Thanks for coming on, Bruce.

SPEAKER_00 43:46

Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_01 43:49

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