Midlife: Hangovers heels and home before 10pm!

This week on Midlife No Crisis, Katy and Katie dive into the evolution of nights out - from underage raving at Wigan Pier and sticky dancefloors in Bolton, to modern-day “day raves” where being home by 10pm feels like the ultimate luxury.

The conversation takes plenty of classic Midlife No Crisis turns along the way: smear tests, mammograms, fasting diets, hot yoga disasters, GCSE stress, road rage, and the very real midlife panic of figuring out what to wear when it’s raining at an outdoor rave.

Expect nostalgia, honesty, laughter, and a lot of discussion about why hangovers now last approximately 48 working hours.

Whether you’re still partial to a dancefloor or happiest in pyjamas by 8pm, this episode will feel painfully relatable.

Key Topics & Themes

✨ Midlife wellness
✨ Nostalgic 90s club culture
✨ Day raves & ageing gracefully
✨ Women’s health conversations
✨ Parenting teenagers during GCSEs
✨ Fitness, fasting & body image
✨ Friendship & funny life observations
✨ British weather ruining literally everything

If you:

• Grew up clubbing in the 90s or early 2000s
• Love nostalgic conversations about old nightlife culture
• Are navigating midlife health, parenting or identity shifts
• Secretly prefer afternoon drinking and an early bedtime
• Still believe dance music fixes most things…

…this episode is for you.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:24

Hello.

SPEAKER_00 0:25

Hi.

SPEAKER_02 0:26

You're right?

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Have you had a busy day? Uh only like a normal busy day, just like cramming a lot into the evening for some reason. Oh dear. It's fine. Oh dear. Oh dear. It's fine. It's fine. It's just the usual kind of life, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 0:43

Life is busy. Yeah. Well, my day's not been that busy. Well, no, it has actually. I had to have a sphere test today. Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Well, they're a thing that you have to do, aren't they? So that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

Yeah. Just they're funny.

SPEAKER_00 0:58

Well, they're not funny, but no, nothing about them is funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:02

I was the nurse who was doing mine was the nurse who does my like diabetes checkups as well. Oh, right. So as she's doing the smear, and uh, you know, you take oh take your bottom half off and blah blah. I'm just she's like wittering on about the diabetes results and uh my referrals and all the so yeah, so I was quite distracted from the actual uh event.

SPEAKER_00 1:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:28

Not making small talk and uh staring at the wall.

SPEAKER_00 1:32

No, you're not had your mammogram yet.

SPEAKER_02 1:35

I've not.

SPEAKER_00 1:36

No, I haven't had my mammogram. You need to follow that up. That should have happened by now. Well, when does it happen? I had mine six months ago.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Right. I don't know. I'll I'll message. What do you do? Message, just ring the doctor.

SPEAKER_01 1:54

I guess so, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

Oh god. I've I've had enough things. Let's leave this for another month.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

Yeah. Yeah, you've had quite a few tests of late, haven't you? Yeah, yeah. I don't want any more. Don't need any more. Welcome to midlife no crisis, everybody.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

Start kicking off strong with uh what I've done today.

SPEAKER_00 2:18

Well, that's is that your crisis of the day?

SPEAKER_02 2:21

Yeah, well no. Actually, my main crisis of the day is what to wear tomorrow. Oh, well, should we come back to that one? We'll come back to it because it's probably stressing me out. Hailstones today here.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Yeah, we had the other day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:38

Mid May Hailstones.

SPEAKER_00 2:42

Yeah. It's gonna get better next week.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

I believe, yeah. Bank holiday weekend, so that's good.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Yeah. In fact, yeah, I need to book something for next weekend if it's nice weather. I feel like I need that break. Need to get away. Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_02 3:00

Scroll up to your little campsite, your local one.

SPEAKER_00 3:02

I know. Well, yeah, the Ruffinson.

SPEAKER_02 3:06

Oh yeah, you could go there. Yeah, that might be a bit weird.

SPEAKER_00 3:09

Yeah, no, we will do. I need to just uh yeah, I've not even thought about next weekend. Still gotta get through this weekend. I'm going to Brighton.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

Next weekend?

SPEAKER_00 3:19

Yeah. In the van. Oh no, because you've lent your van, haven't you?

SPEAKER_02 3:23

Yeah. We've uh yeah, our friends are having the van and we're going to Brighton to see uh Jodie and Jess.

SPEAKER_01 3:28

Oh nice.

SPEAKER_02 3:30

Yeah, Brighton Festival. So I don't know what that is, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

That'd be good. Sounds cool. Yeah, very good. So how's your week, Ben? Alright, been much better, feeling much better. Feeling better, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:44

Yeah. Uh yeah. Went to the gym, back to the gym. I've been quite active this week, which made me feel better. You had your eyebrows done. I have had my eyebrows done, yeah. I've literally just had them done. They look really dark, don't they?

SPEAKER_01 3:55

No, they're nice.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

But yeah, yeah. Uh yeah, I just had that done. Um, not a lot really. Just gym, back to it. Yeah. I was trying to be really active. I thought, right, because I was not active in any way, shape, or form last week because I was ill. I went the other way this week and was active. Overdone it. Not really, no, no. Good. I did it well. I've I've I'm alright. I'm not, yeah. But I'm not going too crazy, but I've like like done stuff every day.

SPEAKER_00 4:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:28

Feel much better for it.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

Oh, it's just better to move your body, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. I um I went to a class with Joanna on Monday night. So she's got she goes to this gym in um down the road, and it's like a women's only gym called like it's called Fierce Fitness. And she's been saying for ages, they're opening this hot studio. You like when it opens, we'll do a class together.

SPEAKER_01 4:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:51

So it's all open now, and it's like all these like nice hot yoga, hot parties, all that kind of thing. And she did a class last week and she said it was so nice, just like really relaxing and stuff. So she's like, I'm gonna do Monday night's class. Come book on and do it. You get the first class is free, so it's worth having a go. So I was like, okay, yeah, I'll I'll have a little go at that because it I quite like the idea of nice warm, relaxing mushrooms, that kind of thing.

unknown 5:17

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00 5:23

So I'd had like 800 calories in the day. Um, so I was feeling a little bit as it was, and it was like a weights class in 35 degree heat. It was like there were burpees, there were press-ups. Oh no! Oh my god, you don't do that in that? What? It was like I was literally like my fingernails were sweating. I've never sweated so much in my whole entire life. And I had a moment and she was like, There's three sets of three exercises, and I was like, Okay, I can do this, I can do this. And I got to like set two of the first bit of exercise, and I was like, I think I might die in this studio. I think that this is it for me now. I think I'm done. I can't.

SPEAKER_02 6:04

It was all there's no way I would do well. I can't do things like that. Can you not? No, because I can't train if I train um in our gym. So our gym gets quite hot because it's just like a cheap, like it's not got air corner or anything. Yeah. So in the summer, it gets really, really hot. And I've like almost killed over quite a few times with my blood sugar dropping really, really fast.

SPEAKER_00 6:25

Right. Is that what happens when you get hot then?

SPEAKER_02 6:27

Yeah. Right. If it if you exercise like intensely like that, it just drops like a stone. And yeah, so no, it's not good. I don't think it is good for you.

SPEAKER_00 6:37

Well, I felt fine afterwards, and actually, do you know the upside of it was like I get a bit of a niggly knee and hip, and no, nothing hurt. Oh, right. And I suppose it's because your muscles are completely warm, aren't they? So you don't literally don't pull anything.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

So 800 calories diet going. Well, I feel like this is a sad time of life.

SPEAKER_00 6:59

Yesterday, it was a very sad day yesterday. We had Lee's funeral yesterday, but I'm not sure. Oh no, don't stop now. Um I was telling the girls, like, I had these sugar-free, sugar-free glass mints, and I was eating cashew nuts because I was starving and I just needed something to eat. And I said, I feel like I can't have any fun. I feel like I've got no joy. That is depressing.

SPEAKER_02 7:24

That is really depressing. And sugar-free sweets give you the shits, or they make you like stomach bad.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Not me. Um but no, but it's too actually, I have to say, on the whole, the diet is fine, and I have relaxed it a little bit. Yeah, well, I'm I am on I'm on flavoured water, but I am on water. Um I've relaxed it a little bit, so I've not been quite as disciplined, but I was cooking tea the other night because we very rarely cook tea every night, like from scratch. Normally there's at least one or two, either not processed, but something that's a bit easier to cook just because it's so hard with everything that goes on with the kids. And although it's a ball ache and it's like a drain of time, like having to cook every single meal from scratch and batch cook and all that kind of thing, I have really enjoyed it, and I have really enjoyed like just things like I made a prawn stir fry the other night, and I said to Neil, I can't remember last time I cooked prawns, because neither of the kids eat prawns, so you just don't eat them, do you? Because it's easier to oh I love prawns, to cook something that everyone will eat, and it was just like, yeah, it I'm I am really enjoying the food bit of it. It's the it I don't feel like the level of hunger is justified by the amount of weight that I've lost yet. But it's only been 10 days, so it's fine. Oh no, yeah, yeah. You don't need to lose any weight though. Well, I just want I just feel like I no, I know, I know, and we've done this subject to death, haven't we, in previous episodes? No. I think for me it's just more of a I I haven't done anything different, but I was putting weight on. So I felt like I just needed a little bit of a reset. So that's all it is. I'm only gonna do a month and like tonight we've eaten a bit more than is on the plan. Tomorrow is gonna be a bit of a treat day because we've got a show this dance show to go to and there's like food trucks there and stuff, so it's fine. Please treat yourself.

unknown 9:27

Oh well.

SPEAKER_02 9:28

Life's hard enough. I know. I feel like we're going back to skinny culture days. I don't like it. Not you, I don't mean you personally.

SPEAKER_00 9:35

It's not a skinny thing for me. It's just more like I just I just needed to feel a bit better, and my sleep has been amazing.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Oh well, that's worth it, I suppose, then that in itself.

SPEAKER_00 9:47

It's just the weirdest thing. I can't I can't understand why it's why it's so much weird. I wonder why.

SPEAKER_02 9:53

Yeah, I wonder why that is, because you're nagging.

SPEAKER_00 9:55

I know. But the but there must be something medical about it. I feel so much better, like energy levels wise. So maybe there is then, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:06

Weird.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

It is weird, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 10:09

I think they're having a party next door to my house. Oh no. What you can hear it or see it. Well, then there's people arriving. Oh right. I can just see them, yeah. The youngsters. It's the young ones.

unknown 10:22

Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 10:23

They're allowed to have parties at this time. They are night.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

They definitely are.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Imagine having a party now to people arriving at quarter to eight.

unknown 10:31

Oh god.

SPEAKER_02 10:31

On the p in the PM.

SPEAKER_00 10:33

I can't read I can't wait to get my pajamas on at this rate. Wait Friday nights. It's my it's my early night now in Friday night.

SPEAKER_02 10:39

Yeah, I yeah. Same here. I I like an early Friday night.

SPEAKER_00 10:45

So have you paid it forward this week?

SPEAKER_02 10:50

I don't know if I have actually. I'm not sure I have. I've been quite grumpy. I think I've been quite grumpy this week. And you will have thought on your watch. I've been very frustrated with people this week. I've tried my best, I've been trying to be kind to people like I usually do, but yeah, there've been high levels of frustration, mainly in work. Yeah. Mainly in work, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

Well, I think work frustrates you because you don't want to be at work.

SPEAKER_02 11:19

Yeah, and I don't like other people at work. Work's fine if there weren't any other people there.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

That is hard.

SPEAKER_02 11:29

Work would be swimmingly, go swimmingly if there was no one else there. Uh what else have I done? Have I done anything kind this week for anybody else? I don't know, really. I don't think I have.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

I bet you have. You just don't know what you have. I bet you have.

SPEAKER_02 11:47

Yeah, I've I have like I did check up on a few people this week.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

That's good.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

Yeah, I checked up on people. Yeah. Um got Joe a nice so Joe, it was Joe's 50th on Wednesday, so we went out on Wednesday night. Wednesday night, going out on a Wednesday night. And um, yeah, I got her a nice present. Made her a little letter and stuff. That was quite nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:14

There you go. Kind stuff.

SPEAKER_00 12:15

There's you pay it forward.

SPEAKER_02 12:17

Yeah, yeah. I feel like I was grumpy the rest of the time with other people. But did you? What did you do?

SPEAKER_00 12:24

Um I made a concerted effort to be karma in the car and I've let loads of people out of junctions and stuff.

SPEAKER_02 12:33

There you go, see. You did think you did say that you were gonna be. Yeah, yeah. Oh, I've done that tonight. I've let loads of people out. And then someone behind me was beeping because I let people out. Oh no, really? So he got the finger. I made it. Which wasn't on the flip side.

SPEAKER_01 12:55

I was gonna say it's kind of the reverse.

SPEAKER_02 12:59

I'm being nice, I'm being nice to this person, I'm letting him out. And he was going, I was like, oh, for goodness sake.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

Did he do a boop boop or did he do a brand? No, he did a br and I just went like that. Yeah. The classic. At least he didn't get out and come and try and get you.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

No, he didn't. No, he didn't know he didn't. No. It was a it was a really quite like very slow one finger, not even two fingers, which I usually do two fingers. It was just the one. Yeah. Not a and then I smiled. No, I didn't do the wanker sign, no, I didn't do that. That's not my go-to. No. No. So I did that and smiled and carried on.

SPEAKER_00 13:42

There you go, see?

SPEAKER_02 13:43

Yeah, see? And I carried on letting people out. But oh, I guess it's gonna annoy him even more. I'm just gonna continue to let everyone out. He can sit there for 10 minutes now for doing that.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Yeah. I do enjoy if someone's right up your ass, just slowing right down. That's one of my favourite things.

SPEAKER_02 14:00

Oh, I always do that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

Which I know is just like that. I mean, that again is reverse of pay it forward, and we're probably like teaching our selfishness, so we're better than that. Yeah, we are.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

Yeah, we've gone the wrong way. We've gone the wrong way, we've gone the wrong way.

SPEAKER_00 14:14

Um, yeah, anyway. So Freya started a GCSEs?

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Yeah, I was just gonna say that. You've had that, aren't you, this week? She's been alright?

SPEAKER_00 14:22

She's been good, yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's she started at a high level of confidence, which is good. Um, because she had some tough ones at the beginning of the week. She had um geography, biology, English lit, and then she had maths yesterday. Maths. Yeah, so she was less confident on her maths, um, and she was a bit worried about geography. That was the one where she did a lot of late night cramming, which she hadn't done for anything else. Um, but yeah, I think she did alright. She seems to be enough with it. She's got another three next week, and then we've got a half term, so she's got a bit tired.

SPEAKER_02 14:59

Yeah, are you going away half term? No.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

No, she didn't want to because she didn't want to sort of get distracted. No, fair enough.

SPEAKER_02 15:09

Yeah, yeah. Oh god.

SPEAKER_00 15:11

No.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

Week at home. Hopefully it'll be sunny though, so be alright.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

Yeah, fingers crossed, and we just I mean, the good thing about them being ordered is we can just leave them now and carry on working, can't we?

SPEAKER_02 15:21

So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:23

Yeah. Go out for the day.

SPEAKER_02 15:25

Get to the pub up the road.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:27

Oh no, you can't because you've only got 800 calories.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

Yeah, we might.

SPEAKER_02 15:32

Oh no, you need to bin that off. Yeah. Half-term, no diets required. No, no, you can't have you can't be on a diet on the when when it's hot and it's half-term. No. So, what we're talking about, the resurgence of day raves for the older folks. The older folks. We can do the compar comparison to um going out when you were young. Yeah. To going out now. Well, as we've both established, we don't really like we like putting our pajamas on at eight o'clock on a Friday.

SPEAKER_00 16:16

We do. I like going out. If I'm in the right frame of mind, and if it's the right sort of event, I mean everything about going out now has to be very carefully curated for me. Like has to be the right people, in the right place, and then not too complicated and just about having fun. That's going out, isn't it? Getting home early. Getting home early, yeah. Definitely getting home early. No high heels.

SPEAKER_02 16:43

Oh god, no. I don't even own any high heels anymore.

SPEAKER_00 16:46

Oh god, I've still got loads, but I might have to. Have you?

SPEAKER_02 16:49

I don't own one pair. No, I'm not wearing them. I've got some like chunky boots, which are very quite 90s. Nice. Because even back in the day, I never wore heels. I've never been a heels person, me really.

SPEAKER_00 17:02

No, you probably haven't, have you?

SPEAKER_02 17:04

No. Okay, they annoy me, and then you wobble about and then you end up taking them off and flip-flops on.

SPEAKER_00 17:12

They just hurt. They hurt, don't they?

SPEAKER_02 17:16

They're just not good for you. They are not good for your feet. No, they're really what you're looking at out the window.

SPEAKER_00 17:22

I I can hear my dog barking, but obviously you can't.

SPEAKER_02 17:25

Oh no, I can't. No, no.

SPEAKER_00 17:27

That's good. Oh, just leave him, leave him to it. The noise cancelling mic works. I noticed that on the episode where I did the party poppy, you didn't hear the pop.

SPEAKER_02 17:35

No, I didn't.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

It's funny that internet.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

Yeah. That's pretty good though, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Yeah, it just goes to shout out to the power of the noise cancelling microphone. Yeah. Works. Technology. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:46

Did you say we're very good at it now?

SPEAKER_00 17:48

We are. So we're going to talk about the day, Rave, but we thought we'd um expand that to like going out in general, didn't we? And how our approach to going out has changed over the years.

SPEAKER_02 18:02

Going out on your midlife. Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 18:05

So do we start at the very beginning?

SPEAKER_02 18:07

How you don't want to go out when you're in midlife.

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Wanting to just be out all the time to never wanting to go out at all. Do we start at the beginning with where we where we used to start go and then work our way through the years?

SPEAKER_02 18:19

What back in the day?

SPEAKER_00 18:21

Back in the day, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

The difference. Well, I mean, we we used to like come round to someone's house early, six o'clock or something, bottle of wine.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

Was it wine or were we like taboo?

SPEAKER_02 18:34

Well we had weird stuff. We went for a taboo phase, didn't we? 2020. We'd moved on from there when we were when we got older, we didn't drink that.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

Was there a drink called Mirage?

SPEAKER_02 18:44

Mirage, that was taboo and mirage. They were like they were like sister drinks. Yeah. Weren't they? Mm-hmm. Nick drank taboo. You drank Mirage.

SPEAKER_00 18:54

Did I?

SPEAKER_02 18:54

I think you did, did you not? I think I drank anything, honestly. I didn't drink Mirage, I don't remember drinking that.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

No.

SPEAKER_02 19:02

But that taboo, that stuff was about 14%. Or more than that.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

Which isn't a lot for a spirit, is it?

SPEAKER_02 19:10

No, but if you nail one of those, you know about it, don't you? Before you go out, and it used to just nail all bottle. Once you went out.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

So our nights out, well, I mean, we started going out quite young, didn't we? Which um I think is quite hard for the kids today. But we go to I mean we started with Wig and Peer, which was under sixteens, under eighteens. Under eighteens? Under eighteens, yeah. Yeah. Um, which was proper raving, but for the under eighteen. So it was everything except alcohol was involved, wasn't it? I think nights out. I mean it was yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:43

I mean since it was under eighteens, it wasn't really very well uh organised and placed.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

And we got the bus from Lostock down to Wigan, didn't we? Drink on the back of the bus upstairs. Drink a smoke, because you could smoke everywhere in those days. Oh yeah, on the back of the bus.

SPEAKER_02 19:59

Wearing hot pants and bra tops, mainly. I don't think I ever did. I was in the um I was in the short the denim shorts and those big red jumpers, big red jumper, big blue jumper, big green jumper, those kind of things.

SPEAKER_00 20:14

Went through a dungaree phase as well. Yeah, black.

SPEAKER_02 20:16

Dungarees, yeah. That was yeah, I had some white ones, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:20

Feeler trainers, feeler high tops, feelers, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:24

And then we progressed from that to we decided we'd try over eighteen's wig and peer.

SPEAKER_02 20:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Did we do that before we started going out in Bolton? Was that like our first night out?

SPEAKER_02 20:36

Yeah, it was.

SPEAKER_00 20:36

Yeah, we went to the over 18s one.

SPEAKER_02 20:39

Um, but we didn't go that many times.

SPEAKER_00 20:41

I know, I think we only went once or twice.

SPEAKER_02 20:44

Yeah, we didn't go loads, and then we started. I don't really know. What did we start doing then?

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Well then it was Bolton, wasn't it? So we'd go into town and we'd go to um well, go to Ritzy's, but we went downstairs, Central Park was more our Yeah, it was Central Park, actually. Ritzy's was always a bit too grown up for us, wasn't it? Like it was where the old people were because wasn't it over 21's Ritzy's?

SPEAKER_02 21:05

I think so, yeah. Yeah. It was a bit cheesy. And you'd have to take your fake ID. We had we had to take fake ID to get into it. It was Central Park, we did.

SPEAKER_00 21:14

Yeah, Central Park, yeah. Yeah. Um what was the club called Opposite?

SPEAKER_02 21:19

Bergeracks.

SPEAKER_00 21:21

No, Bergeracks wasn't that. Bergeracks was a little bar down there.

SPEAKER_02 21:24

Oh Pink Panther. Was it Pink Panther?

SPEAKER_00 21:26

Panther, that was it, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:28

That was a shithole.

SPEAKER_00 21:30

Yeah, that was a shithole. And then there was Chester Moonshines opposite the cinema.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

Yeah, that was a great place to go.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

That was a good place.

SPEAKER_02 21:38

Who worked in there? Someone worked in there, didn't they? Cheryl. Cheryl, maybe uh someone, yeah. I can't remember. Someone definitely worked in Chester Moonshine. Oh no, maybe it wasn't Chester Moonshines.

SPEAKER_00 21:50

Did Claire work in there?

SPEAKER_02 21:52

Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 21:53

No, I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Someone didn't.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Someone will remember, won't they?

SPEAKER_02 21:55

What a great name for a place. Chester Moonshines. Bring that back. It was a great bar as well, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

I liked it.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

There was loads of good bars in Bolton though. Temple as well.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

Oh yeah, Temple. That burnt down, didn't it?

SPEAKER_02 22:09

Did it? Oh. Insurance job. Yeah, I'm sure it did. Probably. Um did the temple I don't know whether I've did it have a stream going through it.

SPEAKER_00 22:22

Pick that up. Yeah, I think it did. It did going through it, didn't it? It had some water in it, definitely. Yeah. Which is bizarre because water in a nightclub just sounds like a idea to me.

SPEAKER_02 22:34

I thought I'd dreamt that and maybe it was just like a bit of a like, I don't know, a bit of a hole.

SPEAKER_00 22:39

But see, we were doing all this at like 16, 17, weren't we? Because we then went to Magalogue 16, which we've talked about on the pod before. Yeah, yeah. And then we did a betha, didn't we? So we were lit we'd started our going out phase very, very young. Because yeah, then we graduated to Haciendra. Did we start? I mean, we were probably 17 when we went there. Yeah, 17, 18, because that's why I failed all my air levels, really, isn't it? Because we went to Hacienda. Because it was open Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday.

SPEAKER_02 23:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 23:09

It was. It was a great place. I mean, where the hell did we get our money from for all these nights? How was it?

SPEAKER_02 23:14

No, it wasn't expensive though. It wasn't expensive.

SPEAKER_00 23:18

No, and we weren't like we weren't in the mood of buying new clothes every time we went out. That wasn't really anything those days, was it? No. And we didn't drink in the club. Um, so you didn't really buy anything, did you? You bought the odd drink, but nothing.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

The odd drink, we didn't yeah, we didn't no, we didn't drink, we didn't spend a lot of money at all. Getting into Manchester and back, obviously, but yeah, but someone would drive.

SPEAKER_00 23:44

Drive, yeah. Yeah. So we fair we paid for very little, I suppose, did we? We'd go out. This is the the infamous um fag packet handbag, wasn't it? Where you'd slip your lips.

SPEAKER_02 23:56

This is where the hacienda had to shut down because no one spent any money in it. No, I know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:02

Yeah, I think it was more to do with gangs though, wasn't it? Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:07

Probably. Yeah. And the fact that they didn't make any money.

SPEAKER_01 24:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

Um, but then cream as well. Oh, and then well, yeah, we went to cream, and then but you all went to uni, so then it was bleed and all that.

SPEAKER_00 24:19

But nights out were quite a big event as well. So we'd have like our regular nights out. There was a few pubs that we always went to.

SPEAKER_02 24:26

Lost stock arms, because we always used to meet in the Lost Stock Arms at seven o'clock.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

Yeah, the train station was there, or you it was easy to get everywhere, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:35

But we used to wait, we went through a phase of hiring coaches to go out, didn't we? Do you remember?

SPEAKER_02 24:39

Yeah, that's when we used to go to Cream.

SPEAKER_00 24:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

Cream and uh Golden.

SPEAKER_00 24:46

Yeah, Golden and Stoke. Stoke. Which I've googled so many times I can't find what nightclub what it was, what the actual club was called, because the night was Golden.

SPEAKER_02 24:56

Was it? I'm sure it was. Oh, I don't know. What was that other one called? Uh what was that other one that was it Atlantis?

SPEAKER_00 25:04

In Bolton.

SPEAKER_02 25:05

In Bolton, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:06

Yeah, so that opened kind of towards the end of our reign in Bolton. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:11

That was still open when we came back from Australia.

SPEAKER_00 25:14

Yeah, I think I only went there a handful of times and thought it was Yeah, it wasn't the best.

SPEAKER_02 25:19

It was a bit that was a bit cheesy, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_00 25:21

Yeah, because that was another one where you hadn't make an effort to get there. Like if you went for drinks in Bolton, you'd then have to get a coach there or a bus there or something.

SPEAKER_02 25:29

Yeah, you would. Yeah, yeah. Um I mean, we did go out in Leeds a lot. Yeah. Well then you must have been like that must have been when you were 19.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Yeah, you see, I went to um Hard Times in Huddersfield a couple of times as well. Did you go there?

SPEAKER_02 25:46

Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

That was good.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

Well Gemma was in Huddersfield, wasn't she?

SPEAKER_00 25:50

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then there was a lead mill in Sheffield, was it? Went to.

SPEAKER_02 25:56

Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 25:57

But this is we used to do that in a night. Like we'd go to Huddersfield or we'd you'd go to Stoke and come back in the night, wouldn't you? That was like Yeah, yeah. Without even thinking.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

Back at five in the morning, six in the morning. That's what we used to do. And cream, and yeah, we did. And imagine doing that now. Like imagine.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

But so that that was going to be my next point. Like hangovers. I don't remember having a hangover particularly when I was young. I remember like once or twice where I probably was sick, but I was very rarely sick anyway. But I don't remember it taking over my life. Like these days, a hangover, if I've got a really bad hangover, that's me dumb for 48 hours, probably.

SPEAKER_02 26:41

Yeah. Whereas Well, it's yeah, well, we'd discuss this about how it makes you feel, it's horrible.

SPEAKER_00 26:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:48

No, we didn't have hangovers when we were young. We didn't care. You don't care as much though.

SPEAKER_00 26:52

No, you don't.

SPEAKER_02 26:53

Like you could we probably well we we probably went to bed and then stayed in bed till two o'clock in the afternoon.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:59

And did not care because that's what you were doing. Whereas now, imagine lying in bed till two o'clock in the afternoon. Oh god. I think if I was dying of flu, I would still wouldn't be able to do it.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

Still get up.

SPEAKER_02 27:10

Yeah.

unknown 27:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:14

And that's the that's the that's the difference, isn't it? It is, it is the difference. I mean, God know. There's absolutely no way. I can't I couldn't. I don't even remember the last time I got in past like went to bed past midnight. Like it's been I I haven't had a late night for such a long time.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

Really? You must have when you haven't, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

No, it's still midnight half twelve, like nothing, like not even two in the morning.

SPEAKER_00 27:43

I've had the odd one. I mean, my birthday night out was because we came back here and then we stayed up with Samoan's. And Simone said she'd never seen me. That was the drunkest she'd ever seen me. Oh right. But I don't know how because I only bought one drink.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

Oh yeah. You only had like two drinks.

SPEAKER_00 28:06

Um so that yeah, that was probably my last big late night, I reckon. Yeah. And I think for some people, even still now, it's like a badge of honour how late you can stay up, isn't it? Like, oh, I didn't get to bed till 4 am. It's like a real sort of thing. Whereas for me, I'm like, oh, 4 am, oh it sounds disgusting.

SPEAKER_02 28:30

No, no, it sounds awful.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

Yeah, oh it's no, I couldn't no. No. I'd rather get up at 4am and go to bed at 4 am.

SPEAKER_02 28:37

No, I'm usually I'm awake at 4am. No, I can't I don't want to, I don't want to do that. No, it's not for us anymore. When you get older, it's not for us, leave it to the young ones.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

No, I know. What staying out late, but going out is still for us. I think I think we've just got to change how we do it. So that's like your day rave tomorrow. So talk us through the day, wave.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

God, talk us through the day, wave. Um day rave. Oh god, well, tomorrow's is a banger. So we're going out, we're going out at half past one for lunch. This is how we're doing a lunch first. A nice lunch first. Oh, a very nice lunch as well. Yeah, we're going for it, we're doing it properly tomorrow. Uh, and then it starts, I think it starts at two. We're not going to get there at two, probably get there about half three. It's three half three. Um, but you just you go in, like you have a few drinks with your lunch, go in, and then you don't because you're so excited, because the music is so good. And I do think as well, when you go to something like that, everyone's kind of older, so you've not got everyone like I mean, have you seen it online? Like when people are that uh like rave, what well raves, but whatever events, they've all got their phones on, they don't dance properly, or I don't think they do, and I know I sound I know what I sound like, I know I sound like an old cow. All these young ones don't dance anymore, but they don't. And if you go to like an event like that where you've got a load of 50-year-olds who were like ravers back in the day, they go for it, and you don't see a phone and everybody's like properly dancing, and it's really good. I mean, you've had enough after like six hours or whatever, and then you go home.

SPEAKER_00 30:28

What yeah, well, what time do you get home then?

SPEAKER_02 30:30

What well last time I got home about quarter past ten. Oh nice, yeah. Yeah, but then you've you've done it, you've had enough, you're home at quarter past ten. Get home fine, get up in the morning, but you don't because you're dancing like you dance, like I mean it's proper like banging like tunes.

SPEAKER_03 30:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

So you don't drink, you don't drink because you're not sat about, you don't want to drink.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:56

It's not the same as like I don't know, it's different. I'm not saying you don't drink, you do drink. I'm not saying you don't have anything to drink, but you don't drink like you would be like drinking bottles of wine or anything like that because you A, it's expensive, and B, you can't be bothered to hold it in your hand.

SPEAKER_03 31:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

So yeah. I think it's good and it's exercise. 27,000 steps, I did it the last one. Nice, yeah. Yeah. Dancing. So yeah, it's the way forward for our age, I think.

SPEAKER_03 31:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:28

And then some people think it's a bit like it I don't know, like it's a bit shit, it's a bit I don't know. Like you're 50, you're past it, stay at home.

SPEAKER_00 31:39

Who thinks that?

SPEAKER_02 31:40

I don't know. I think people do. I certainly don't.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

No, I don't think people do.

SPEAKER_02 31:46

Um well people or if you're gonna rave, like rave properly, that's what Matt Hinley said to me. He was like, I'm not into all this, stay raving. He said, You if you're gonna rave, do it properly, go out on a night. What's properly? Like we used to do when we were 20, I suppose. Hmm.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

Well, I mean the only way to achieve that is to take some sort of illegal substances, and I don't think that's what I've got is maybe, maybe.

SPEAKER_02 32:17

Someone likes a gurning 50-year-old. Oh, definitely. You gotta go careful with that.

SPEAKER_00 32:25

I know, I think.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

I think so, yeah. So especially if there's video evidence, we didn't have that, you see, did we?

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Yeah, no, that's very true. You know, that's one of the big things that has changed on nights out, isn't it? Is there is no like when we used to go out when we first started going out, you'd go out because you wanted to go out with your friends or you wanted to pull, basically. Those those are the reasons, weren't they? Mainly to pull, I think. Maybe you were definitely but then I think like as time's gone on and kids sort of in the 18, 19s now, I don't know why they go out. I think they almost go out for social media purposes. Like oh no, do you? Yeah, I think so. I don't know. It's like, do they have the same level of fun? Because everything is documented and everything goes online or doesn't go online or it goes online and has to come down again because someone doesn't like it, and everything has to be approved and checked before it's and and I just think where's the fun in that? Like, I bet they never go out and get so sweaty that the ceiling drips on their heads because it's raining every other people's sweat on you. Yes. Boom, brilliant.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

It's so hot that your hair you've got to tie it back and like wring it out.

SPEAKER_00 33:51

And there's no point wearing makeup because we just dance and mascara runs down your face. And you I mean, we did use to like clothes, didn't we? And we we like to like dress up and stuff, but like I said, you know, there was no sort of new outfit every time you went out. You had a couple of nice things and you'd rotate them and like it'd be oh, I'm gonna wear my favourite whatever dress tonight. There was no like, I need something new for it.

SPEAKER_02 34:18

No, it's a lot, there's a lot of posing goes on these days, though, isn't there? Which is like I was saying, like the dancing that that's what I like about it, it's the dance is the music and the dancing.

SPEAKER_01 34:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

And the kids don't seem to do the same. It's not the same. No. If you're looking at your phone all the time, it's I don't know, it's a bit sad, really.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

Yeah, well, I think they've introduced no phone rules at some clubs now, haven't they? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, and then that means that people are focused on what they're doing and having fun, and it's not the worry of who's taking a picture on putting it on what platform.

SPEAKER_02 34:55

Hmm. Oh, they better not take a picture of me tomorrow. It's gonna be pissing down. This is another bloody problem. This is what we're gonna do. So let's talk about what you wear.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

What's your what should we do?

SPEAKER_02 35:05

Yes, let's talk about that. You need to help me with it. Okay, god for the audience. So I bought a I bought this lovely, like cream denim, like play suit thing, top shop, lovely, really nice, funky, nice, perfect. Vinted, everything about it, tick, tick, tick. No, because it's gonna be 12 degrees. It's been hailston in today, and I think it's gonna rain tomorrow. So I can't have my legs out anymore because it'll be freezing cold. We'll be freezing cold.

SPEAKER_01 35:37

But how how much are you outside?

SPEAKER_02 35:39

It's outside, the whole thing's outside. Uh it's an outdoor event, it's outdoors.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

Right, got you.

SPEAKER_02 35:46

Yes. Oh no, if it was inside, I'd be alright. No problem.

SPEAKER_00 35:51

I think you're gonna I think you're gonna need an umbrella.

SPEAKER_02 35:54

Oh, I'm not taking one of them fucking things. Imagine, oh no. Imagine raving with an umbrella. I don't oh no. You just know the danger. You wouldn't be allowed an umbrella in a rave, would you? In a in a thing like that. No, probably not. It could be an offensive weapon. Yeah, it could. Oh, I don't like who wants to wear a coat. You don't want to wear a coat, do you, when you're dancing? I don't want to wear jeans because they wet heavy jeans, no thanks. I don't want to wear trainers because I don't like wet feet.

SPEAKER_03 36:26

Hmm.

SPEAKER_02 36:27

Um don't know.

SPEAKER_00 36:30

Bring back leggings? Bin bag. Bin bag, yeah, maybe a bin bag. Um leggings. Have you got like cropped trousers, cropped jeans, like uh sort of thing?

SPEAKER_02 36:45

Don't you look a bit like a grandma in them though? Or do you I don't know? I have got some cropped trousers, actually. I've got some nice like cotton ones that are really nice. They might be all right. They'd dry, wouldn't they?

SPEAKER_03 36:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:56

They're not very like they're more for a beach though, they're not for going out like they're like oh, it's terrible.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

Oh god, I feel like you're not in the mood to be deciding this tonight.

SPEAKER_02 37:08

No, maybe I'll improve tomorrow. Maybe I'll improve moods. I need to just get the clothes that I I can wear and just try them on and see what I feel good in tomorrow. And that's what I need to do. But you know what I mean? It's a bit of a stress, isn't it?

SPEAKER_00 37:23

That it yeah, no, I get that, yeah, I get that. But I mean, I've as you know, I've got so many clothes that generally I've always got something to wear.

SPEAKER_02 37:32

Yeah, you wouldn't probably stress about wet jeans wearing wet jeans, would you?

SPEAKER_00 37:35

No, I do I would probably just wear jeans to be fair. Would you?

SPEAKER_02 37:38

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:39

Jeans and trainers and just yeah. Yeah. If you've got trainers with a pretty thick heel, then as long as it's not like puddly rain, then you'll be fine.

SPEAKER_02 37:49

Uh-oh. Wet feet.

SPEAKER_00 37:53

Well, if you're going in this frame of mind, you're not going to enjoy yourself, are you?

SPEAKER_02 37:57

I'll still enjoy myself. This is the thing, you see. I complain about all of this, and when I get there, I won't give a toss.

SPEAKER_00 38:02

I know. Well, this is it, and I know this about you. That's why I'm giving you no air time of it. I know, I know. You've got you've got a nice little thin cagooli type coat that we bought for Stone Rudies. Do you remember that? I don't know if I've still got that. It was a kid's one because it was the only one I could get. That was good though, that. Yeah, they were good because they were like pack and max, weren't they?

SPEAKER_02 38:22

They were it was really good. It like disappeared into nothing in your bag. Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 38:29

We've not solved your clothing dilemma. We've nearly run out of time. Um, and we've probably not really answered the question of how going out has changed. I think it's just changed. I think we're probably a bit we know what we want to do and what we don't want to do now. We don't just go out for the sake of going out. No. We like going out earlier and getting home earlier. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

And definitely an afternoon girl now.

SPEAKER_00 38:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

Afternoon, yeah, come home earlier.

SPEAKER_00 38:53

Every other drink is water to try and reduce the possibility of a hangover.

SPEAKER_02 38:58

Yeah. I'd love to say I did that, but I don't, I don't think. I do no, I'm I'm pr I'm pretty good now. I'm not um yeah, I'm pretty good. Don't get I am I am, I am.

SPEAKER_01 39:14

I am honest.

SPEAKER_02 39:16

Um don't drink wine. Don't drink wine on night out, yeah. Oof, oof. Certainly not red wine. Oh no before you drink red wine on a night out.

SPEAKER_00 39:28

No. No. That just ends in red vomit. Anyway, on that note. On the on the red vomit note. On the red vomit note. We'll leave you with that to ponder.

SPEAKER_02 39:40

It's time to say goodbye.

SPEAKER_00 39:42

It's time to say goodbye. So we'll be back on Friday, on um Wednesday with Crisis Talks.

SPEAKER_02 39:49

Crisis Talks, which is we don't know what that is yet.

SPEAKER_00 39:51

No, so listen in and be surprised as we are when we talk about something for another 20 minutes.

SPEAKER_01 39:58

All right, see you soon. All right, love you, see you soon. Bye bye, bye.