#30: How To Master Your Life Force And Create The Life You Want

If you cannot direct your attention, you cannot direct your life.

Most people are overstimulated, distracted, and leaking their energy into things that don’t matter.

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Most people think they have a list of problems to solve: bad habits, unhealthy relationships, vices, procrastination and [insert your problems here].

But here's the truth:

There is only one problem, and all the other ones are merely symptoms.

The problem is that people do not know how to hold their life force, amplify it, and direct in the direction of what matters most.

They leak life force into distractions, cheap dopamine, and short-term gratification.

In this conversation, Jessica and Isaac share their journeys with reclaiming their life force, and how that's what's allowed them to create their union together, build a life of freedom, and carry out their service-led mission.

They illustrate the exact path listeners can follow to unlock the energy lying dormant with them, plug their energy leaks, and ultimately use their energy to live their dharma and nourish their relationships.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

That is where a lot of people are falling short. You know, they don't know what life force is.

SPEAKER_01 0:07

We all have access to this life force. We are energetic transmitters and receivers that's been proven by science.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

People have all sorts of huge energy leaks, usually. Some people might call things addictions, and actually, it's all just a life force leak. Anxiety is just the inability to hold your life force. I've had addictive tendencies as my first memories. I didn't have capacity to hold the life force within me.

SPEAKER_01 0:37

You're not still leading your life force everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 0:40

No, no, no, no, no, no. When someone is leaking their life force, the story that gets told is. Welcome to the Well Worship Man podcast, where men come to build unshakable presence, become the rock in their relationships, and build a legacy that lasts beyond their years. Here we explore the path to mature masculinity, your humble power, daily devotion, and unwavering integrity.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Thanks, baby. These conversations that Jessica and I have with each other and with our guests are really just scratching the surface. So if you've learned anything, changed anything in your life from these conversations, just know that there is a lot more that we have for you. And one of those thresholds is linked in the description. It is reclamation, our free introductory training to the course that we run every year called Reclamation. So make sure that you grab that. It's an 11-minute video that reveals why you're lacking focus, how you can reclaim it, and what that can create in your life. It also comes with a free meditation. Again, you can download all of those goodies in the show notes. What are we talking about today, baby?

SPEAKER_00 2:00

Today we are talking about reclamation, actually. And you know, the basis of it is why you're losing your life force, where it's going, and what happens when you reclaim it. So I thought maybe you could start us off with what is life force for people who don't really know that term.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

That's exactly the question I was going to start with. So life force is also referred to in Chinese medicine as qi or qi. It's referred to in yogic traditions as prana, and it is the energy that we have running through us. We are energetic transmitters and receivers. That's been proven by science. It's you can feel it when somebody walks into a room with dark energy, and you can feel it when somebody walks into a room with bright light energy. You can really feel that in people. And so we all have access to this life force. Uh, it's universal energy that's available within us and around us. It's what you were running on during your 40-day fast when you weren't running on calories, you're running on this life force. And it's not theory, it's not woo-woo. Again, it is measured by science that we all have access to this life force flowing within us. It's what allows our cells to communicate with each other, it's what allows our neurons to connect within our brains, it's what allows me to think about raising my arm in the air, and then I lift my arm in the air. And it is a source of power, of energy, of electromagnetism that when we learn to steward it, we can direct it towards the things in our lives that we want to grow. Everyone's heard where energy flows, where attention goes, energy flows. I like to say where energy flows grows. And the trouble is that most of us are not consciously directing our life force. Even those of us that are are only directing a certain share of our life force. And so the fun question to ask is what if we can become such responsible and skillful stewards of our life force that we can direct 100% of it towards the things that matter most to us. And not only that, how can we source more life force from the world around us and what becomes possible then?

SPEAKER_00 5:00

Yeah. So the visual that I had actually while you're giving the description of what life force is, is just creating a little bit of an analogy that feels accessible. So if I have batteries in a remote and the batteries are dying because they've been used up without being restored, then the remote's not going to work as well. But also, even if the batteries are fully fully charged, if I am directing the television remote at the microwave, the television is not turning on, and neither is the microwave. And so not only do we need our life force fully charged, but we also need to direct it in the direction, like you're talking about, of our dreams, you know, of our desires, of our dharma, of the life that we desire to live. And so that is where a lot of people are falling short. You know, they don't know what life force is, they don't know how to access and recharge it, they don't know how to sustain it, and they don't know how to direct it. And then most of the world is wondering, you know, why don't I have the partner that I desire? Or why do I hate my job? And am I ever going to enjoy life? You know, why do I feel so badly about myself? And in our opinion, and through this lens that we're teaching with reclamation, it really is not what you've been told. You know, it's not necessarily that you don't have the discipline or you don't have the skill set or you're unworthy or whatever the story is that's running through your mind when you know you think about why you don't have the life that you want. But rather it is just simply like a life force issue. And so our work is really designed to help write that. And yeah, that's what we're gonna talk about today. So I was wondering if maybe I could share a little bit about like the birth of reclamation, and we could talk a little bit about, you know, our experiences with not having our life force in check.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

Yeah, I think a good place to start is why we created this, why we think it's required education and training for people to create the full deep lives that they're meant for.

SPEAKER_00 7:28

Yeah. So what's your experience with learning about, you know, harnessing your life force and being able to direct it? Because you've had some processes over the course of our relationship where it appears that there's been like a fine-tuning. But I'm curious if there are specific areas of a life that when you think about, you know, this learning process that have been ways that you've come online, I guess, to this teaching.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

Yeah. Part of this maturation process or self-development process is the narrowing of our path. And towards the beginning, our path is very broad. And what that looks like is there are endless options. I could do that and that and that, and I could be distracted by that, I could engage in that, I could spend the precious resource of my life force in all of these different buckets. And I think when I was younger, you know, I was I was doing that. I was bleeding life force unconsciously into partying, into meaningless, quote unquote romantic relationships, that there really wasn't much romance involved into substances, into binging media. And over time, I realized how much I was leaking, especially with the cycles of hard partying that I was in during college and after college, and in these shallow relationships. And I realized, you know, alcohol is a really easy one. You get immediate feedback that I just didn't feel good. And I was being pulled to something that I thought would make me feel better, which was a consistent yoga practice. And so after remaining in that cycle for many months, knowing I wanted to emerge from it, I did stop drinking, I stopped partying, and I signed up for an unlimited membership at this yoga studio. And I I really started directing my life force. I didn't have this language for it at the time, but directing this life force to coming home to myself, to my meditation practice, to journaling, to starting to put some of my ideas into words and sharing them at that time. It was like on Snapchat, I'm remembering. And um, yeah, I just started kind of collecting all of these fragmented focus pieces that I had left on the ground. And that led me into more leadership in my career at the time, but I still had options. You know, do I leave this job? Do I go out? Do I engage in these relationships or these relationships? Marijuana was still something that was really influential in my life at the time. And so I still had these leaks, but the path had narrowed a little bit, right? There were less options for me to step outside of character and waste my life force. And then, you know, as I began to dive more into myself, my broken engagement, being the big driver of that, I noticed all these things inside of me, all these energy patterns or these parts that I had been feeding, right? The people pleaser, right? The guy, the part of me that was so afraid to disappoint others that he disappointed himself, right? The the inner manager in me who couldn't tolerate insecurity and so needed to stay with the golden handcuffs of this corporate career. And I started meeting these parts of my internal psyche and realizing that I was feeding them energy. And also, some of the repressed parts that I didn't want to look at have been pushed so far into my unconscious that they had energy trapped within them. So energy that was lying dormant. And ultimately today, like there's still a lot of fine-tuning occurs, but the path is very narrow. It's like a razor's edge. There's really not other options, right? I'm very clear on where I'm headed, I'm very clear on where my life force gets to be directed. And sometimes it leaks a little bit, but I know immediately. And you know, that's what's allowed me to end up in this sovereign union with you. It's what's allowed me to build my business of service, uh, and it's what's allowed me to live this life of freedom. You know, we've been spending two months in Guatemala. We're gonna spend more months on an adventure out of the country of all these awesome opportunities coming up, and that has been a result of one thing, and that has been discovering my life force, how much of it there is, and mastering it.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

Yeah, I think you know, there's some really key parts of your story. One is that the path narrows, you know. So initially people have all sorts of huge energy leaks, usually, you know, and as they come to find them and start directing their focus in certain places, whether that be a job that they like or a relationship that feels good or this inner work that you're talking about, and then they come to know themselves better and there's less. And then still we find energy leaks, and then we create devotion and clarity, and then still we find them. And so, you know, when the vision for some of this work started coming through, we talked a lot about like, oh, it's like an alternative path to addiction recovery. And actually, in the birth of it, it's like, no, everyone, everyone needs to have better resources of how to clean up their energy, regardless of where they are on the path, because they're that's the process of human evolution. You know, like we're not fully with spirit while we're on earth. That's kind of like the process of earth school. That's humanity, exactly. And so there's always more clarity that our system can have in what it means to be in alignment with spirit and have our life force fully attuned and optimally directed. And so that really sticks out to me like the way that you throughout your journey are always seeking and reflecting on, okay, but there's more, you know, but there's more. And it's not, it's like in in certain phases of my journey that, oh, but there's more would have resonated as like, oh, perfectionism, like I am never gonna get there. But there's a shift at some point when you start directing your life force differently, where you understand, like, no, this is a path of becoming, it's a path of evolution, and we get to watch how we return home over and over and over by way of like getting into this specificity, which you know, having the ability to attune to your life force and notice these leaks becomes more of like a curiosity and a game instead of punishing how it might feel in the beginning.

SPEAKER_01 15:07

Yeah. Consciousness is not a state, like consciousness is a process of evolution. And as you move further down the path, it becomes a more granular attunement, more subtle. It's like okay, I just leaked a little bit of life force, you know. It's not like this huge suck, like I'm addicted to pornography thing, you know? It's like those big drains on me, you know, partying being one, uh marijuana being another, those are you know, nearly a decade in the past, right? And and you're right. But now this process of consciousness of mastering life force is like this fun game that I know yields significant rewards. So you're really the genesis of reclamation. It's something that you channeled and brought through from spirit during your 40-day fast. So I really want to know what has happened in your life, what's led to you bringing this course, this education, this training down to earth for people.

SPEAKER_00 16:20

I uh have shared with a couple of our close friends that reclamation is essentially the legacy of my decades of time spent in self-harm and disordered eating and just like absolute anxiety and depression. And so the offering of this feels really sacred to me. And I think that's why initially I thought it would be like an alternative to addiction care, because so much of my personal life force leaks were much further on the addictive spectrum than someone else might consider theirs. But ultimately, what I learned in this process is that some people might call things addictions, and actually it's all just a life force leak. Like whether it's just checking out someone at the gym while you're in a relationship and it's monogamous and that's a drain of your sexual energy, or it's spending hours a day like watching porn because you simply can't not, like it's all an energy leak. And if we want to pathologize certain ends of the spectrum as diseases of addiction, then we certainly can. But if we alter the lens a little bit and view them as life force leaks, now there's not something wrong with me that needs to be fixed. There's just an attunement that I need to my own system to clarify the spirit that's running through me. And so if only I had had that definition, you know, when I was initially starting my journey. And we've talked a little bit about this on the podcast before, but it's like I've had addictive tendencies as my first memories, you know, like there's been certain essences of like chronic illness and self-harm that have been part of my life always, and less and less over time. And the 40-day fast really like righted a lot of that stuff in the last little threads that were existing. But, you know, self-harm was a part of my life for a really long time in different ways, and then disordered eating was a part of my life for a really long time in different ways. And then, like, just letting my sexual energy leak wherever the fuck anyone wanted it to go was part of my life for a time. And there were just these ways that now my understanding is I didn't have capacity to hold the life force within me, you know, and as we're building this life together and programs like this are coming through, I'm like, whoa, the life force within me is really powerful. No wonder I couldn't hold it, you know? And that has changed my perspective a lot with a lot of these things that people will call diseases. You know, I was thinking about this before the podcast, and it's like ultimately anxiety is just the inability to hold your life force. And so it feels like you're being electrocuted by way of just living life because you don't know how to hold your life force. And depression is the numbing of that life force over time because you can't hold your own life force. And that's essentially what my life was for decades, you know, like I couldn't hold the emotions that I was feeling, I couldn't hold the sensitivity that I was feeling, I couldn't handle the way that everyone around me was living out of integrity and I had no language for how to express to them how harmful it was. And so I just went inward, you know, like I leaked my life force by creating physical wounds on my body so that my life force was going towards physical healing instead of like actual empowerment. And I leaked life force by putting myself in like food comas after eating and then making myself sick so that my I was so depleted of energy, all I could do was sleep. And I leaked my life force by allowing my sexual energy to flow into numbers of people that did not matter at all and definitely didn't care about me. Instead of using that life force to create something beautiful for myself or in the support of other people and, you know, I'm sure, and substances too, you know, there were just all of these ways that, like one after the other, all my energy was was leaking. And it truly was, I didn't have capacity to hold it. And so over time, similarly, you know, there was like a catalyst in my own journey in different ways. Like at one point I got super sick and I was like, okay, something needs to change. Like finally, I could hear my body screaming at me that I needed to start holding on to some of my life for so that I didn't die. And then there was another catalyst, but ultimately, like, I knew that I wasn't feeling correct. Like I wasn't feeling optimal health for a long time and have been doing this work for decades. But over time, every little ounce that I like invested back into myself was a little seed that I got to hold more of. And as I started sealing these leaks in whatever way, even if it was just a little bit at a time in different coping strategies, I could feel more alive. And when clients come to me, I'm sure when they come to you too, it's like one of the number one complaints is I just don't feel like myself. Like I don't feel passionate about things I used to feel passionate about. I don't feel connected to the person I know I love. And that is simply because your life force is not being held within you. Like the more attunement you have to your own life force, the more you'll feel like yourself, and the more you'll understand the direction you're meant to go. So, you know, all that to be said, this birthing of reclamation is really what I've learned over the course of like, you know, three decades of a journey of illness and return to health that has allowed me to be like the living embodiment of everything that's held within it, of why leaking your life force is never going to get you where you're going or where you're desiring to go. And closing up those leaks and being able to direct your life force is going to get you where you want to go. And I'll answer this question first, but I wanted to ask you this too, like really understanding the difference of what it feels like in life when your life force is leaking versus when it's attuned. And for me, when my life force was leaking, I just felt so heavy and dark. Like when I feel back into that, it's like no matter how beautiful the day outside, like everything was cloudy. And there's just like this weight of like sludge all over my body. No matter how much someone expressed love to me, I couldn't really feel it. It felt only like I loved them and there wasn't anything being returned. And it really just felt like no matter what I did, I couldn't escape. I used to describe my body as my own personal hell. And that's kind of what it feels like. It felt like I was living in an empty corpse that I couldn't get out of because there was a lot of emptiness inside me with all of these leaks that were going on. And so that's what it felt like when the leaks were present, just like this constant cycle of shame and guilt and self-hate and constant looping thoughts of the same. And then, you know, this is like a progressive shift over time. There's lots of things that happened between there and here. But now, where I feel like my life force is like truly on point. And though I'm definitely not perfect by any means, it's like being truly devoted to this path of like excellent attunement to our life force and really supreme intention. It's like I wake up and I'm like, I can't wait to get to the altar and pray about how awesome my life is and immediately direct my life force into the life that we're creating and the health that I have. And it feels like like everything feels like a gift, I feel like, when my life force is on point. Everything feels like a gift and the gratitude is easeful. It's not a gratitude practice, it's just a way of life. And it feels easy to understand that the world is responding to me. Like I put out love, love returns. I put out love, love returns. There's no like I'm putting out love and nothing's coming back, which is what it used to feel like. It's like the system is closed, you know, there's not leaks, which means that it really does work as whatever I put out, it comes back. So yeah, and just like the lightness. Like I don't feel there, might be some days where I wake up and it's cloudy, but like generally this space around me feels clear and vibrant and like able to flow. Like I don't feel imprisoned.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

Yeah. Yeah. What you've created is this closed system of reciprocity with spirit, which is really beautiful. And I resonated with that a lot to answer the question of what it felt like before I'd really claimed my life force, is I felt like just like you, the universe wasn't responding to me. You know, I was sitting in meditation, I was reading the books, I was practicing yoga, and still like the serendipities, the guidance, none of it was showing up for me. I felt like my efforts were futile. And I also felt like you know, my marbles were kind of constantly scattered, and I had this to-do list, but I wasn't sure that the things on it were gonna get me to where I wanted to go. And even the vision of where I wanted to go was, you know, pretty vague, right? It was like I wanna buy my mom a lake house, I want to um make this much money per year, but the gap between where I was and those things, I had no idea what to color it in with. So it felt like the steps that I was taking were it so inconsequential that it my vision was daunting, it was even discouraging. So those, yeah, that's how it felt when my life force was still being fractured.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

Yeah, and now you said it a little bit in the answer of your question before.

SPEAKER_01 27:26

Like now I know exactly what I want. We've mapped it out over the next three to five years of exactly how to get there, and I know that's what's gonna get us there. You know, I I don't wonder if the actions that I'm taking are aligned. In other words, I don't wonder if the actions that I'm taking are leading me to where I want to be. I know. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

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SPEAKER_01 28:05

Reclamation isn't just another three-month course where you change during the course of the container and then go back to your old ways afterwards. It's not playing whack-a-mole with individual habits and vices and toxic relationship patterns. It is the solution to finding the root of it all so that you can wipe all of it off the table. And it's without white knuckling or discipline or willpower. The only issue that you have is life force mastery. And this is the solution.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

So no matter where you are on your journey, whether you're just beginning and feel completely immersed in gray clouds of your own mess, or you've been on this path for a while and are just looking to fine-tune your devotion to your journey, whether you identify as a man or a woman, we want all of you in this community with us so that we can all rise together.

SPEAKER_01 28:58

To learn more and register, click the link in the description and we'll see you when we start.

SPEAKER_00 29:04

That feels like a huge piece in my experience as well, where the level of trust when there's so many life force leaks is there just can't be trust in a system that's not closed because you don't know when something is going to be present or not. It's inconsistent, it's unreliable, there's no integrity. So when there are life force leaks, whether it's in the form of high addiction or an unhealthy cycling situation ship or just scrolling Instagram every day, like it doesn't really matter the type of leak. If the system is not sealed, then you can't be certain of where the energy is flowing. And so you can't trust that, like, I'm gonna get from point A to point B.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

Exactly. You can't trust yourself because the pull of your temptations, the stickiness of your bad habits are all drawing you elsewhere than your, then your aware ego, then your true self, then the core of your being wants you to is trying to lead you. It's like you're being pulled at from all these different directions. And the only way to be strong enough to resist that and walk forward on your path is to have control of your life force.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

Yeah. So I want to talk a little bit about like why this work that we're doing with ourselves and other people is different. Because in my own experience, you know, there was a lot of different forms of personal development and therapy that I tried before really doing all of the things that are now encoded in this course. And I see clients similarly where they have tried so many things and it just doesn't land in their system as being effective. Like they start the process and then they'll do some stuff, and then maybe it helps for a little bit, and then they find themselves seemingly back in the same place they started. Although from an external perspective, it probably is a bit different. And there's lots of things that I feel are different about this work that we are doing compared to what is easily accessible in the healing space. But one of them is by starting with the foundation that it's each individual person's responsibility to show up to this work. And so, like, you know, while I would love to promise that reclamation will solve everyone's problems, it's like the system works if you work it. And we are taking ourselves through it right now, and we're only partially through very early in the phase, actually. And we're being worked, you know, like we are working it, we're doing it every day. And like life is being changed quickly. And that is something that I don't think that a lot of other systems are clear on, like other coaches or therapists or forms of healing will basically promise anyone like if you sign up for this, everything will be fixed. And the truth is that if you sign up for this and you honor the commitment to yourself, there will be change for sure. At the end of week one, let alone week 12. But in talking about life force leaks, it's like the amount of devotion that you bring to anything creates the outcome. And so part of what is really special about reclamation is that we teach you how to have devotion to reclamation as a process, so that you can have devotion to your own process forever outside of this work. And that is non-negotiable. Like that is really the way that everyone must start approaching life is when I am devoted, the universe is devoted to me.

SPEAKER_01 33:05

Yeah. And I think another way, or I know that another way that this is different is often those courses that promise the results have a focus around, you know, hacking your way to the result or willing your way to the results. And then those facilitators mark it as a win that at the end of the three months there's been some change. But what we're allowing people to do is actually build themselves into a lifestyle of devotion that doesn't end at the end of the 12 weeks of reclamation. That we've provided some scaffolding to them during the entirety of the course, and they've built enough strength, they've learned the skills and the tools that they need so we can remove the scaffolding and they can continue on this trajectory beyond just the three months. So that way it's not just three months of growth, it's a lifetime of growth where you feel confident in yourself to face the challenges that life has to offer, that you have this toolkit that you can dip into, and that you don't have to will and white knuckle your way there. It doesn't have to be a fight. It's simply an act of devotion. It's simply a restructuring of your identity that allows you to show up for yourself because this is just what you do. It's not something you should do or something that you have to do, it's something that you feel called to do.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

You mentioned identity shift, and that is absolutely a huge piece of this puzzle. You know, if I am someone who smokes weed every night and then feels bad about it every morning because I have like a bit of a hangover, and now I can't get to the gym or do my job the way that I want to, but I'm simply smoking weed every night because that's what I do, that's my identity. Whether you want to call it an addiction or a coping strategy, it's like your identity is that you smoke weed every night and ultimately you don't feel good about it. And the same goes for someone who keeps cycling back to the same ex or to meaningless sex. It's like your sexual energy and your creative energy is your life force. We're not here to sexually shame anyone and having a full understanding of what sexual energy is is essential. And if you are someone who gives your life force away to people, whether it's in conversations that you don't want to be in or sexual energy exchanges or saying yes to social engagements or tasks that actually don't feel good to you, it really doesn't matter. But if you're someone who gives your life force away to other people because you can't say no, or because you need to feel needed in order to feel worthy, or because you need to feel distracted or numb, then that's your identity. And what we're talking about here is shifting your identity into someone whose life force is yours. You're sovereign, you make the choices of how you engage with life, and thus you make the choices for how life engages with you. And the trick is that when we are in a phase of like all of our life force leaking, or honestly, a life, you know, for me it was like a life of my life force leaking everywhere until I figured it out. I'm still making the decisions for how life is engaging with me. It's just way messier because my life force is like projectile vomited over 60 different forms of numbing.

SPEAKER_01 36:50

You're not still bleeding your life force everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 36:53

No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm just saying, like in those phases, like when I was bleeding my life force everywhere, like when someone is leaking their life force, the story that they will tell, which, you know, this is not a judgment, this is also the story that I told and just is part of the lay of the land in that aspect of life. But when someone is leaking their life force, the story that gets told is oh, why does this always happen to me? Why do I always feel this way? Why do I always choose the same partners? Or why do I always end up with partners that XYZ or my boss? You know, it's very like life is happening to me. And life is kind of happening to you because your life force is not supercharged. But life doesn't just happen to me. I make life happen because of this the quality and the power of my life force. And it is not because I am a certain way and people who leak life force are a different way. I have also been that person. And it really is a skill. It's like the same with optimism and pessimism. Pessimists like to say, oh, optimists are just like, they're so happy all the time. It's like, it's not easy to just be happy all the time. Like you must train yourself to see that the world actually does always have beauty, even when things are hard. You must train yourself to have focus when the whole world is trying to ensure that you are distracted. You must train yourself to have life force that is in integrity and sealed and directed when it's very easy in this uh life and this world to not have the integrity in your life force. And so the story of the identity of leaky life force is that I have no control and life just happens. And it is true in that state, you don't, but you can change your state and you can have co-creation with life itself.

SPEAKER_01 39:00

Yeah. And you are always training yourself for something. You can train yourself to overeat and get obese, or you can train yourself to have a healthy relationship with your body and food and be healthy. You can train yourself to need to pop a zin and drink two cups of coffee to get any work done, or you can train yourself to get work done strictly through the power of your own life force, of the health and the vitality that you've cultivated within you. You know, there's this idea of choose your heart. Like life is hard, whether you're five or ten or fifteen or thirty or forty. And you can make it hard by abdicating responsibility and continuing to turn away from the changes that you know that you want to make, or you can choose your heart by choosing differently and doing the clumsy and awkward work of grooving in new neural pathways and new habits repetitively and uncomfortably to create a life where it does get easier. It gets as easy as brushing your teeth to make the healthy choice, to choose the person who's good for you, to not run from the person who's good for you, but brings up the uncomfortable emotions within you. Um, so you're whether you know it or not, you're always training for something, and your training is what you repetitively do. Your priorities are illustrated by your actions, not what you say. And so this is really an invitation to understand that the stickiness of your temptations, the draw of your vices, it's only about one thing, and it's that you can't hold the energy which often presents as discomfort that's necessary for you to start choosing the other hard thing, the healthy hard thing.

SPEAKER_00 41:01

I took a yoga class two days ago, and the teacher said this class is gonna be hard for those of you who haven't taken a class like this before. Because anything that is new and good will be hard. If it's new and it's bad, it's probably quite easy because it has like a huge dopamine hit, you know. Or if you've done it a bunch of times before, it's not necessarily going to be hard. But if something's new and it's also good for you, it will be hard to do. And just like the acceptance of that is such an anchor. So I love what you're reminding us of of like choose your heart. Like life is challenging. That's like what we're here to do is to master some of these challenges and grow our strength through them. And we can be uncomfortable for a lifetime, or we can be more uncomfortable for a shorter period of time and just like do it.

SPEAKER_01 41:57

Yeah, you can be uncomfortable or you can suffer.

SPEAKER_00 42:00

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I want to just highlight that, you know, we could go through all the details of what reclamation does, but honestly, first of all, I want it to be a surprise for people who enter. Like I think there's something really beautiful in the unfolding of the course itself, but also it's not really about the logistics of what the course is. No. And I want to just highlight that it's not mindset work. It's like there is some mindset choices, and there's also a lot that we do that is emotional and in the body, and there's also a lot that we do that is spiritual. And I found that a lot of work like this will focus on one or the other or the other, or it will say that it combines all of it, but then it still kind of only focuses on one. And that is an important piece of this. It's like, yes, you have to choose something different. Knowing that you there's different information for you isn't enough. Making the choice also isn't accessible sometimes. Like that's really important for people who do struggle with being further on the addiction end of the life or sleek cycles. Like sometimes it really doesn't feel like a choice. It's like a blackout experience where, oops, I like used X thing again and I really didn't want to, but here I am again in my shame. And that's where I was living life for a really long time. And so there are things that we will work through in some of this work to allow enough spaciousness to get created in your body and your field and your emotions to then make some of the mindset stuff accessible. And once we have our mind and our body on board, then we can actually start directing the life force, you know. But it's not just about like taking an education. Educational course about how to find your dharma, if there are wounds that you have yet to heal that are going to be afraid to make that change. Or it's not just about learning the mindset shifts that all the biohackers are talking about when you have legitimate trauma that needs to be healed. And it's also not just about healing the trauma. Like if you heal the trauma, but you don't actually make the shift in your mind or in the way that you're choosing to direct your life force, then you'll just end up back in your addiction tendencies again. And so this work really is a mastery of all of the things combined to create change that works.

SPEAKER_01 44:42

Yeah. What makes this a complete solution is what a lot of other programs and coaches miss, is that there are top-down processes and there are bottom-up processes. There's an overemphasis on top-down processes, which are the mindset shifts, which are the just do it, which are, you know, kind of the David Goggin style. And, you know, there is information running from the brain to the body, but there are far more signals running from the body to the brain. And that's that bottom-up approach. And that's why part of reclamation is this practice orientation, this action orientation. And you know, there's not many promises in life, but the promise of practice is progress that if you show up and you practice, you will improve. It might not be linear, but if you show up with a certain degree of attention and consistency, whatever it is that that practice is built to grow, and the practice is a good practice, it will improve.

SPEAKER_00 45:43

Yeah, for sure. I'm wondering thus far in our process, whether it was in, you know, the initial birth phase of just brainstorming it or the fast or actually like starting to walk through reclamation. What have been some of the surprises for your own experience?

SPEAKER_01 46:06

One of the biggest surprises is how swift the changes have been, how quickly the new awareness has arrived. You know, it's some courses that I've taken. It's like the first several weeks, we're kind of just like tilling the soil, and then there's a breakthrough. But from the very first session that we did, I started to understand myself in a new way. And I'm understanding the leaks or the threats to my life force. And it's like now I have like a homing beacon on them, like a tracking signal. And I'm like, oh, beep, beep, beep, beep, oh, there it goes. Let me bring that back in. That's that's my life force. And I'm choosing not to leak it. And some of the ways that you've shared the teachings, you know, I told you the other night, it's like the class itself was great, and the information was awesome, but simply having it come from you as someone who's walked a path of multiple decades in the dark, of finding all these inventive ways to alter your state so you didn't have to feel the full power of your life force, you know, creating wounds, so your body had to use your life force to heal your skin, overeating, so your body had to use your life force to digest. It's like you have so much life force in you, and it's one of the reasons why you're the person to bring this education through, but just feeling it from you has been more powerful than you know the words that you're sharing.

SPEAKER_00 47:51

As you're talking about just like the swiftness of change that occurs, I am thinking about how important it's been to us to create things that people at any phase of their journey would benefit from. And when we ran sodna earlier this year, earlier this year, which is now called excavation, that was feedback that people gave. Like, whoa, this changed me so much more than I was expecting. This was way deeper than I was expecting it to be. Thus, the name changed to excavation. Um, but you know, reclamation is similar. It's like there are, I'm sure, other interventions that claim to do similar things. And also I know the way that I teach. And it's great to hear that you're already having shifts in it. But I also am surprised at the shifts that I'm having in it. It's like a teacher can teach what they already know, or they can teach what they are going to learn over the next 10 years. And it almost feels like that. It's like this course holds everything that I have learned in my process of healing. And even still, the lessons are still teaching me. And that's what they will say about like more like spiritual health solutions. You know, it's like earlier in my healing journey, I read personal development books, like the happiness project and stuff like that, which is a great book. But it's basically just this woman talking about how she devoted her life to happiness for a year, you know, and it's like everyone's individual story about how they got better isn't very useful because that's their own personal path. But something that's based in like a spiritual energetic codex, like um a new earth or the power of now, where it's like every time you read the book, it hits a little bit differently. This is similar, where I'm like, I already know I I made this course, you know, like spirit made it through me, but like I made this course. And yet now that I'm taking it, I am learning even more.

SPEAKER_02 50:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:12

And that feels important because I'm sure that there are people who listen to this pod that are hearing about some of this, like a life force for the first time, and also people who maybe won't even listen to the full podcast because they think they know the answers. But it's like anyone at any phase of the journey who has done any type of this work and also none of it, and who is on any level of the life force leak spectrum should and will like benefit from this work swiftly because of the way that it's been created.

SPEAKER_01 50:49

Yeah. Something that I really respect about one of our former teachers, Mami Onami, is that every time she teaches a course, she's also taking it. And we do the same thing. So whether you do reclamation or you find something else, a great signal is is your teacher not only teaching it, but are they taking it too? Are they engaging with the course material? Because if they're not taking it, it's not good enough for them. And if it's not good enough for them, it certainly shouldn't be good enough for you because they're the ones teaching it.

SPEAKER_00 51:25

Yeah, I totally agree. Also, this is just like a little side note, but I don't know any courses that have been channeled during a 40-day fast, and I think that's pretty lit about this one. It's like there's some like unseen, unheard, non-physicality things in this summer program that we're running because I was running on spirit for 40 days while it was created. And like there's not really words that can describe that, but it is it would be like if someone went into the darkness for a really long period of time and came out with like something sacred, you know, it's like to remove yourself from the normal essences of life and then come out with a creative project. You know, it feels weird to say about something that like I birthed during the 40-day fast, but it also feels important to highlight because this might be the only one like it. I mean, I know it's the only one like it that exists if for a lot of the reasons. But it's the only one like it that exists for that reason, also.

SPEAKER_01 52:34

It's epic. And all the, you know, our bodies use so much life force for digestion. You weren't using any of your life force for digestion, you were using it all for creation.

SPEAKER_00 52:46

You know what's interesting, I hadn't even really thought of this when I had started saying that, but it's like the primary way that I drained my life force was alchemized during that 40-day fast in a lot of ways. And so I think that circles back to a little bit of what you were saying of like, yes, the teachings and the practices are awesome, but there's like a way that the embodiment is resonating that's different. And it's like, yeah, that's it. It's like, oh, the things that were draining my life force for all of my life were righted during this 40-day fast while I was channeling this. And there's still some integration going on that I think that will be shared on some podcasts, but it's like the actual frequency of healing was being accessed during those 40 days while it was created, which is like I don't, I just think that's really beautiful.

SPEAKER_01 53:47

You are the evidence, you are patient number one, and you're also the teacher.

SPEAKER_00 53:53

Okay. If there was one more thing about your journey through reclamation or life force leaks that you wanted people to know about, or anything like that, what's one more thing that wants to be shared?

SPEAKER_01 54:09

Yeah, I think that this work is near impossible to do alone. Blessed that I have you by my side, and not just you, but I've had lots of great mentors. I am always investing in myself in teachers that are resonant with this kind of work. And what's special about doing it in a group is that it it the students not only get to learn from us, but they get to learn from each other. And we've shared how this process has been highly effective for us, and we're by no means perfect, but we've been doing this work for a while with a lot of devotion, and so you get to learn from us, and then you get to learn from people who are like just beginning, you know, and you get to understand, you get to remember what square one looked like, and you get to honor how far you've been. And the people starting at square one get to see the potential of people that are far farther along the path, and you get to hear feedback and you get to hear people's experiences that just guide you deeper into the identity shift that this is real and this works, and it gets demonstrated time and time again by the people sitting across from you in the class. And you know, one of the reasons why people succumb to their life force leaks is that they don't have a container holding them, they don't have any evidence outside of themselves that the work is meaningful. And when you do it with a group, you you have that every step of the way, and 12 weeks is long enough for you to have stacked enough evidence that you can always return to your briefcase and say, Oh, oh yeah, that's right. This is real and this serves me, and this is worth continuing.

SPEAKER_00 56:02

While you're talking about community, I was getting a little bit emotional because I remember, I don't know how old I was. Maybe in middle school, I like was on the internet and I tried to find like a healing community for my eating disorder. And instead, I found a quote unquote support group for people with anorexia and bulimia that was actually just them like supporting each other, not eating or purging, or you know, and it's like there's some teachings about Dharma that will say, like, create what you wish you had had. And like only in this moment is it clicking into my system that, like, wow, like if I had found this when I made that search, like decades of my life would have been returned to me. And it's all good because like, what a beautiful gift that I get to offer it. But without a doubt, if I had found this type of work and this community when I put in that Google search, instead of getting like a buddy to text to help me not eat, like there are years of my life that I wouldn't have lost to being like a complete ghost, you know, and to actually being like this version of me that has all of my life worse on on board, which is really quite amazing. And so, yeah, I double down on what you're saying about community for sure.

SPEAKER_01 57:34

Beautiful. But community is such a self-healing prophecy. I've seen it in my men's groups. It's like, yeah, I facilitate work, but a lot of the times it feels like I need to do very little for the guys that show up consistently to change their lives because of the space and the community. And the one more, one more thing I'll say about reclamation is it's not about quitting your vape or quitting porn or stopping the zins or stopping gambling, like whatever it is. It's like if you work the work, you will have to quit your vape by the end of the 12 weeks. But the work is so much bigger than that. It's about having anything that you want to become more consistent in your life. It's about the system and the skills that not only helps you quit the vape, but helps you remove anything that isn't resonant with what you're meant for and create more of the things that are.

SPEAKER_00 58:39

Yeah, and on that note, it's like some people are aware of their vices, but the way that our coping strategies and inner protectors work most often is they make really good excuses for why our coping strategy is not a vice, and why this substance that I sometimes do on weekends is not a problem, or why this number that I keep in my phone for moments when I'm feeling sad is not a problem. And, you know, whether you want it or not, when you sign up for this course, there's an agreement between you and your own soul of like, you will be shown. Something that's beautiful about the path of evolution is that once we see, we can't unsee. You know, once we eat the apple from the tree of knowledge, like we now know that we're naked in the garden. And so that's something that I want to offer to anyone who's listening who's like, well, I stopped drinking and smoking years ago, but I still don't have X, Y, Z thing. And it's like there, if you don't have the life that you desire, there is a space where your life force is leaking, and this program will show you what it is.

SPEAKER_01 59:56

Yeah, 100%. If you've made it this far, there's a link in the description that will take you to a landing page that will share more about reclamation if you need to hear more. And there also will be links on that page for you to register and join us on this epic journey for you to start creating the life that you want. Not for three months, but forever.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:27

I would also offer if you've made it this far, then there's likely already resonance and there's not necessarily a decision to be made. This is a lot of talk about something that if you made it this far through the podcast, it wouldn't be resonant. And so, you know, let this be a moment where you say yes to yourself. You know, let this be a moment where instead of letting something else run your life, you decide that it's time for you to. And not because we want you to work with us, although we'd love to meet you, but because we want you to work with yourself and like really meet yourself in these places that you haven't been able to before. So yeah, listen to that, listen to that calling for sure. And with all of our work, we always offer that like we're gonna have a community for you. But if you can get anyone in your community to join with you, it will be all that more effective because when you start doing this work, it can be hard to be the only person speaking this language. And so if there's someone that you feel safe with and love and would be down to do this with you, like that's a great resource to pull into this work as well as to get a friend or a partner or a family member to get on board with you.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:43

Yeah. So feel your heart flutter, feel your finger quiver over that register button, but don't stay there too long. This is meant to be uncomfortable, and there's meant to be some apprehension, and that is a sign that you're on the verge of a big change.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:01

We love you.