The One Where We Accidentally Bash Men Again

In this episode, Jasmin and Cherie tackle The Hunchback of Notre Dame with the depth and rigour of two women who absolutely did not rewatch the movie. They unpack Esmeralda’s weaponised hotness, Frollo’s unhinged obsession, Quasimodo’s social skills (or lack thereof), and why Jason Alexander really said “cut the cheese.” They test each other with “Two Mooses and a Lie,” introduce their new fan-favourite game “How Hideous Are You?”, and relive the 90s playground death traps that nearly killed them. Add in an AITA featuring the world’s worst bedroom nickname and several moments of accidental man-bashing, and you’ve got pure Moose on the Loose chaos.

Transcript

00:28.79
Jasmin
Welcome to Moose on the Loose, the podcast where we pour the wine and cut the cheese. Right?

00:37.95
Cherie
That's the perfect quote for today.

00:40.16
Jasmin
I know, if anyone is racking their brain, where have I heard George Costanza say that? Are they doing Seinfeld? no we are doing ah the Hunchback of Notre Dame.

00:53.14
Cherie
And for anyone else who's wondering, it's Jasmine who cuts the cheese. you

00:57.47
Jasmin
I'm sure they realise that. That's not a secret.

00:59.41
Cherie
Of course.

01:00.24
Jasmin
Also, what's his name? Alexander. Jason Alexander.

01:04.22
Cherie
um

01:04.66
Jasmin
Yeah.

01:05.24
Cherie
Oh, yeah.

01:05.52
Jasmin
Yeah.

01:05.95
Cherie
Jason Alexander, you're right.

01:06.73
Jasmin
Yeah. Just so that people didn't think that I think that his name was actually can't stand you. Can't stand you. George can't stand you. ah You know what?

01:18.81
Jasmin
This is, you tell me, is cut the cheese a very widely understood euphemism for fart?

01:26.62
Cherie
Yeah, i've I've always known that. I don't know where I first heard it, but I know it.

01:31.09
Jasmin
Oh, maybe it's just in our family. So someone, like I said to someone, i don't know what I was doing.

01:34.78
Cherie
No, it's a thing. That's the joke. That's why he says it in the movie.

01:37.53
Jasmin
Oh yeah, that's right. Jason Alexander agrees it's a thing.

01:39.77
Cherie
He, like, does a fart under his armpit when he says it

01:43.27
Jasmin
ah That's right. So I was washing in the sink or something. I didn't have time for a shower, but I, whatever, washed my face in the sink or whatever. And I said to someone, I'm just going to have a monkey wash. And they were like, oh, a what?

01:55.70
Jasmin
I'm like, you know.

01:56.02
Cherie
Oh, is that not a thing? I say that all the time. I said that to my son's psychologist.

02:00.17
Jasmin
I've been asking people and no one's heard of it. I think mum just said, and it does look like a monkey. you lift your arm up, you know.

02:09.07
Cherie
Maybe we're the only people who do that and we're like secretly gross.

02:12.36
Jasmin
It should be. Oh, yeah, i was going to say it should be called that. Everyone this shit should take off, but maybe maybe other people don't do that.

02:19.06
Cherie
It's a new strategy for neurodiverse people who struggle in that way.

02:24.76
Jasmin
Oh, all right. Well, now they know that I fart and wash myself in the sink. um I once gave my ex-in-laws a cutting board that says, Nanny and Pa cut the cheese.

02:39.84
Jasmin
Ha ha ha. Right. It's funny. It's funny. it's funny

02:43.18
Cherie
It's funny because I know who you gave it to as well.

02:45.31
Jasmin
Yeah. And they were like, okay.

02:46.12
Cherie
And it couldn't be more deserved.

02:47.59
Jasmin
And I was like, this is, I'm like, do ah you, are you, not laughing, but it's pretty funny.

02:48.04
Cherie
That's great.

02:51.42
Jasmin
And they were like, well what does it mean? I'm like, it means fart. far

02:56.63
Cherie
You should have just said that this is a lovely gift. There is no joke and it's from the heart. And then maybe they would have shown it to all their guests.

03:05.97
Jasmin
Oh, they basically held it with like a thumb and forefinger distastefully and were like, thanks. Like they did not think it was clever. And I'm like, fucking whatever.

03:16.51
Cherie
Oh, that one in the bin. That went in the bin as soon as they left.

03:17.90
Jasmin
It's clever. ah No doubt it. They've, they've hoarded it somewhere.

03:22.17
Cherie
By bin, I meant their house.

03:23.68
Jasmin
It's in the house somewhere. That brilliant gift that I gave them.

03:25.43
Cherie
Not an actual bin.

03:27.81
Jasmin
Yeah, that's right.

03:29.02
Cherie
not an actual be

03:29.00
Jasmin
They're bin house. So it says on ChatGPT's run sheet, which we all know I'm a big fan of, it says that we should have, it says it's Disney's darkest film, Disgusting as a Kids Musical, and we should have a chat about our childhood memories of this. But my memory was that some of it was colourful and impressive, like the architecture and the costumes and stuff and the festival and all that, but generally otherwise musically boring. Yeah.

04:00.27
Cherie
What? I

04:01.37
Jasmin
Sorry, do you like still listen to these songs? Do you remember any of them?

04:05.25
Cherie
do. They're on my regular rotation.

04:08.12
Jasmin
i never could.

04:08.54
Cherie
You have no idea how many mornings I'm like driving to work blasting hellfire.

04:09.28
Jasmin
I just thought they were like two.

04:15.15
Cherie
That song slaps. It is so dark and like so deep and so scary.

04:18.19
Jasmin
but

04:22.89
Cherie
Just amazing. Gives me goosebumps.

04:24.30
Jasmin
Sing it for me. See, remind me of what it is. don't think I remember it very well.

04:26.84
Cherie
You don't even know Jasmine. I'm sorry.

04:29.42
Jasmin
Sing it. Sing it for me.

04:30.52
Cherie
If you don't know Hellfire, then you don't get to talk about The Hunchback of Notre Dame.

04:35.68
Jasmin
I'll make up how I think it goes. Hellfire.

04:39.37
Cherie
That's exactly how it goes.

04:40.74
Jasmin
is it?

04:42.07
Cherie
is He goes, Hellfire, Darkfire.

04:46.81
Jasmin
my God. almost got a wild stab in the dark.

04:50.73
Cherie
No, but it's like, it's so good. And then he goes into how If he can't have her, like, if she won't be his, then he's going to burn her. It's so dark.

05:01.37
Jasmin
ah Actually. That reminds me of a point to bring up. i Do they have any business making Esmeralda that sexy?

05:09.39
Cherie
Oh, my God. I would.

05:10.55
Jasmin
I mean, they're still doing it, but why are all these characters so sexualised?

05:17.30
Cherie
It is a concern. Yeah.

05:18.94
Jasmin
Like sex sells, but it's kids movie.

05:19.51
Cherie
It's definitely a concern.

05:20.45
Jasmin
The target audience is kids. It's just to make them...

05:22.14
Cherie
She needs to be sex on legs.

05:24.38
Jasmin
I know. I feel like there's a racket here where they're like, quick, train everyone to have poor self-esteem as they get older so that we can sell them all these products and they're all in each other's like circle of conspiracy. I don't know what the cartoons get out of it though. What do they get out of selling products in the future? They get kickbacks, like genuine like sponsorship from beauty products.

05:43.67
Cherie
I would like to say, oh no, it hasn't affected my self-esteem negatively, but that is what I take away from the movie after I watch it every time. She's so beautiful. I could never aspire to that level of beauty.

05:53.78
Jasmin
And she's kind, pretty and kind. She's a lot like me.

05:57.50
Cherie
Oh yeah.

05:58.86
Jasmin
I

05:59.00
Cherie
But she doesn't choose the uggo either.

06:01.92
Jasmin
um mean, this is beyond her. So, you know the hot to crazy scale?

06:05.52
Cherie
She's like, he's beyond an uggo.

06:07.06
Jasmin
Yeah, this is like where it starts to overbalance nice, fugly, nice, fugly. It becomes it doesn't matter how nice they are, you know.

06:15.29
Cherie
but

06:15.57
Jasmin
Yeah.

06:17.05
Cherie
This poor guy was just the nicest person. She chose someone whose name was Phoebus.

06:23.06
Jasmin
Yeah, he seemed fine but not a barrel of laughs. Oh, no, he made some jokes.

06:26.94
Cherie
No, yeah.

06:28.45
Jasmin
I don't know. I don't even remember it that much.

06:29.74
Cherie
He was fine. They were well matched intellectually, I suppose.

06:33.86
Jasmin
The hunchback was stalking her.

06:37.66
Cherie
Was he?

06:38.81
Jasmin
Wasn't he? Watching her from afar, disguising himself to get up close to her.

06:39.72
Cherie
He was sitting in his bell tower.

06:44.38
Cherie
he was watching all of the people of Paris and he wanted to go and be one of them for the day.

06:44.56
Jasmin
I don't know. what I don't remember this movie yet.

06:51.06
Cherie
He wanted to be involved because he wasn't allowed to leave the bell tower.

06:54.49
Jasmin
He's stalking all of all of the people of Paris.

06:56.22
Cherie
He was stalking all of Paris, yeah.

06:57.86
Jasmin
Well, i yeah, I just, I never found those songs to be like catchy, like.

07:05.18
Cherie
Well, you need to get life because they are the bomb diggity. a huge fan.

07:12.50
Jasmin
Okay, well, I can see that we're not going to agree on this. I don't think we have to fight about it. Hang on.

07:16.18
Cherie
right there's There's this one part of a song and I don't know if it's actually funny or if it's just something that my best friend and I thought were funny when we were kids. But he says the line, upsie daisy, and this guy like pops up and he's got a daisy on his head.

07:32.44
Cherie
Kills me every time.

07:33.53
Jasmin
ah Ah, just you like a pun, I suppose. that a pun? We say that's a pun?

07:38.24
Cherie
No, not quite a pun, but I think it was something about the guy's face. It was just really funny.

07:42.81
Jasmin
Hang on a minute. it I've got a visitor.

07:44.28
Cherie
I laugh about it often.

07:45.78
Jasmin
Hang on, I've got a visitor. One second.

07:47.93
Cherie
Okay.

07:49.13
Jasmin
Sorry, I'm back. My son wanted me to watch Roald Dahl's The Witches with him, which I will, but we started watching it last night. We had tried to watch the first time at the movies when our older kids were a bit younger.

07:59.55
Jasmin
We went together and we had to leave because it was so fucking scary.

08:02.49
Cherie
They were so scared.

08:03.94
Jasmin
Yeah.

08:04.79
Cherie
They were so scared.

08:04.99
Jasmin
And we, well, I didn't actually get to see the scary bit. I saw it last night and was like, whoa. What you forget after that?

08:10.65
Cherie
yeah It was the one movie where I was like, oh yeah, no, it's fair enough. Okay.

08:17.86
Jasmin
Yeah, i could it wasn't even like it was just your kid and I could be like, oh, well, see you. I'll see you later. My kid was also scared and I was like, oh, man.

08:23.90
Cherie
if They were just traumatised.

08:25.25
Jasmin
paid

08:26.16
Cherie
Abby still won't watch it.

08:26.25
Jasmin
Like we paid like it was only we were only in there for like 30 minutes or something. it was the most expensive 30-minute trip to the movies.

08:33.37
Cherie
Yeah.

08:34.04
Jasmin
Yes, I'm going to go traumatize my son after this is the end of that story.

08:38.76
Cherie
Good plan.

08:39.54
Jasmin
Okay, so first game.

08:48.30
Jasmin
Two mooses and a lie.

08:50.49
Cherie
Oh cool, you got it this week right because I forgot.

08:52.79
Jasmin
I do have it and I don't think it's that hard.

08:53.72
Cherie
i thank

08:56.25
Cherie
I won't be, I've got it. It's in the bag. Just don't even bother, next game.

09:00.95
Jasmin
yeah Okay. Notre Dame. Is it Notre Dame or Notre Dame?

09:06.43
Cherie
Oh, look, I've always said Notre Dame, but I think it doesn't matter.

09:06.87
Jasmin
Spelt Dame.

09:10.84
Cherie
People will know what you're talking about.

09:13.09
Jasmin
I know, but I feel dumb not saying it right. So based on Nostradamus, it's surely not. That doesn't make sense. Notre Dame. Anyway, Notre Dame took over 180 years to complete.

09:26.33
Jasmin
Two, Victor Hugo wrote the novel to save Notre Dame from demolition. Three, Frollo in the novel is actually a priest, not a judge.

09:32.22
Cherie
Mm-hmm.

09:38.65
Cherie
in the novel hmm

09:39.98
Jasmin
Okay.

09:45.64
Jasmin
Which one's Frollo? Is he the guy that looks after Quasimodo, the dad sort of thing?

09:47.53
Cherie
well he's yeah I mean if you can call it looking after he's the guy that murdered his mother and then took him in because he felt guilty because the priest was like now you have to look after that child

09:52.63
Jasmin
Yeah, the one that sticks him in the bell tower.

10:00.57
Jasmin
Wait, why'd he murder the mum?

10:02.23
Cherie
She was a gypsy and he was trying to arrest her, so she ran. and then he smacked her across the face and she fell down and hit her head on the stairs.

10:07.32
Jasmin
Oh,

10:11.75
Jasmin
like Okay, I've seen that, um the Travelling Gypsies show from the Irish irish Gypsies. They're scary.

10:18.82
Cherie
Well, she was just like fleeing for her life with her little tiny baby in her arms.

10:19.05
Jasmin
don't know if they're like...

10:25.19
Cherie
And he was like, I'm going to kill you. Well, I don't think he meant to kill her. He just meant to arrest her, but the damage was done.

10:33.06
Jasmin
surprised you kept that baby. You'd think you would have just left him on the windowsill for a bit.

10:36.07
Cherie
No, he's scared of God. He really, yeah, he he deeply believes that God is um going to condemn him for his actions.

10:37.94
Jasmin
Oh, yeah, right.

10:43.19
Cherie
and And so he keeps him out of guilt and to make things right with the big guy.

10:48.43
Jasmin
right, well, I'm glad you've actually watched this movie, unlike me, for a very long time. Do you have an answer?

10:53.92
Cherie
No, don't have an answer. so

10:55.90
Jasmin
ah

10:57.14
Cherie
I think, um, I think the third one is the lie that he, he was not a priest. He was always a judge.

11:11.11
Cherie
I keep getting the bad moose.

11:13.78
Jasmin
Yes, Notre Dame took 200 years to build, not 180.

11:17.71
Cherie
Oh man. I was like, surely it took a long time.

11:20.25
Jasmin
You fucking idiot.

11:20.67
Cherie
I've been there and that place is amazing.

11:22.25
Jasmin
Yeah. I've got other ones. you want to again are you happy with your humiliation?

11:29.21
Cherie
um No, I'm happy with my humiliation. I'm, yeah, sad that they're like still having to rebuild Notre Dame um if it took them that long to build in the first place.

11:40.46
Cherie
Oh my God.

11:41.23
Jasmin
right. i'm um I've got a number of trivia games coming up if you're interested. We don't have to do them. But

11:50.78
Cherie
Well, it wouldn't be a very good show if we didn't do the games.

11:51.25
Jasmin
They're for you. Well, they're for you because you you like the, um like you know seem to know a lot about it. But my other second game that i meet made is called How Hideous Are You?

12:06.23
Cherie
Oh, I can answer that.

12:08.25
Jasmin
yeah

12:13.04
Jasmin
de de do So, yeah, well, zero is a perfectly acceptable villager.

12:14.55
Cherie
Very. All right.

12:19.25
Jasmin
Five might get tomatoes thrown at you. Ten straight from the festival of fools thrown. So I'm going to give you some scenarios and you've got to give me a rating of what someone in the 1400s would have rated you as. And then I'll tell you what the actual answer is.

12:35.58
Jasmin
One, you wake up with a mild pimple on your chin.

12:40.34
Cherie
Perfectly acceptable villager.

12:42.23
Jasmin
Nine out of ten hideous, burn the witch. ah Two, your eyebrows don't match.

12:51.22
Cherie
Throw tomatoes at them.

12:52.70
Jasmin
and Eight out of ten hideous, immediate fear from the clergy.

12:56.31
Cherie
but

12:56.58
Jasmin
Your hair is frizzy because it rained.

13:01.37
Cherie
You know, you really could have chosen other attributes. You didn't have to tell everyone what I really look like.

13:05.84
Jasmin
You're just describing Cherie.

13:06.04
Cherie
LAUGHTER

13:07.02
Jasmin
Yeah.

13:09.66
Cherie
What was that last one? I actually wasn't listening.

13:11.03
Jasmin
your Your hair is frizzy because it rained.

13:18.44
Cherie
Get him out of here. What's the number 10?

13:20.70
Jasmin
Yeah, 10 out of 10, the bells ring themselves.

13:21.94
Cherie
I knew it.

13:23.50
Jasmin
ah You wear colourful clothing.

13:30.10
Cherie
Throw tomatoes at him.

13:31.45
Jasmin
Yeah, nearly six out of 10, but Frollo faints. You smile at someone.

13:39.22
Cherie
I mean, these are all ridiculous. So if I just say 10 for all of them. Five

13:43.22
Jasmin
Yeah, four out of ten, suspicious behaviour, probably a sin.

13:47.86
Cherie
out of 10.

13:48.34
Jasmin
You tap a rhythm on a pot like a drum.

13:55.32
Cherie
five out of ten

13:57.04
Jasmin
Ten out of ten, hideous and musical, double sin.

14:01.27
Cherie
but

14:01.33
Jasmin
I just wanted to read the answers out. That was funny.

14:04.86
Cherie
that is quite

14:04.92
Jasmin
and Okay. Our third game of the day. oh no, let's decide who's a villain. No, we'll do that at the end. Our third game of the day. um so I decided that, you know, I told that story about mum, like not having a fly screen on our window.

14:19.67
Cherie
Well, she she told me this afternoon that she is behind and hasn't listened to the last one yet. So thus far we've, like, we're sheltered under the harbour

14:28.54
Jasmin
Evaded her wrath.

14:31.83
Jasmin
Her, um

14:33.30
Cherie
her busyness, her busy lifestyle.

14:35.45
Jasmin
oh, I was going to say her, oh what is it when you, you're ignorant.

14:43.23
Cherie
That ignorant bitch hasn't listened to us yet.

14:43.54
Jasmin
Ned.

14:45.80
Cherie
We're having a lot of fun.

14:46.89
Jasmin
She'd be more well-read if she, you know, got some culture and listened to our podcast. No, I decided, you know, well, actually, i just didn't have too many more stories of mum doing crazy shit just because it was the ninety s Like,

15:02.52
Cherie
She was a good parent.

15:03.92
Jasmin
She was a good parent. So I actually, I was like, she is a good, yeah, she yeah she's a good parent.

15:05.12
Cherie
Well, she is a good parent. She still is.

15:09.62
Jasmin
But I didn't, um I thought it's still a funny segment of like shit that they just did just because it was the 90s. So I still came up with one, but it's just like, ah people did it back then, but not necessarily our mum.

15:15.96
Cherie
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

15:21.26
Jasmin
So...

15:21.71
Cherie
Well, you run into, like, problems here because I was actually talking to someone the other day and it was like, They told me a story from their childhood that they had intended to be funny, but actually it was just abuse.

15:33.74
Cherie
And we were both like, oh, no.

15:34.39
Jasmin
Oh, no. And they didn't realise had to tell them.

15:38.46
Cherie
Yeah. No, they realized as they were saying it. And then they were like, oh,

15:42.14
Jasmin
Oh, no. It's drifted. Well, the segment is called Was It Okay? Just Because It's the 90s. And the the one that i thought up was fucking playgrounds that were basically death traps.

15:55.53
Cherie
Oh yeah, the hot slide that was like six foot tall.

15:57.70
Jasmin
The hot slide is 300 degrees. and And the steepness of the slide that you would just hit the bottom and, four yeah, that would launch a child into orbit.

16:01.50
Cherie
The monkey bars.

16:06.18
Cherie
Oh yeah. and Do you remember that spinny thing? Oh my goodness, I vomited.

16:14.33
Jasmin
And you you did.

16:14.42
Cherie
Yes.

16:15.57
Jasmin
scott Scott twisted it so fast and you said, stop, I'm going to be sick.

16:18.96
Cherie
I'm still traumatized.

16:20.21
Jasmin
And then you and then all the kids were in it. And then you spewed on the spinny wheel thing in the middle and all the kids screamed and ran off. Yeah.

16:27.90
Cherie
Yeah, because it was like a great big projectile vomit and we were spinning so fast that the the vomit just was like orbiting around us.

16:33.68
Jasmin
It was like centrifugal vomit. It was so bad.

16:36.63
Cherie
It was really bad and to this day I've not forgiven Scott for that.

16:41.72
Jasmin
Well, this is funny actually because surely our mum was there supervising us so she wasn't stopping that from happening.

16:49.90
Cherie
They're in the playground, they're fine, what could go wrong?

16:50.79
Jasmin
Yeah, I'm just having a little break while the kids play at the playground. I'm going to, you know, read my book or something. And then the other thing was like the ground of it, gravel, gravel. There was gravel on the ground.

17:02.03
Jasmin
If you fell over, get gravel in us.

17:02.49
Cherie
There was gravel everywhere.

17:05.85
Jasmin
Yeah.

17:07.29
Cherie
in us, on us, around us.

17:09.43
Jasmin
Yeah, all the gravel.

17:10.14
Cherie
We just don't like gravel.

17:11.95
Jasmin
No. ah Is that okay just because it was the 90s?

17:17.72
Cherie
Oh, and bark chips. It wasn't even just gravel. The playground just had bark chips.

17:20.64
Jasmin
Yeah. Some playgrounds still have bark chips. I think that soft fall stuff is better.

17:26.05
Cherie
I don't think, yeah, that's the the soft, squishy stuff.

17:26.66
Jasmin
Hmm.

17:30.77
Cherie
That's good.

17:32.54
Jasmin
Take note, playground designers that hopefully listen to this podcast.

17:35.64
Cherie
No bark tips.

17:39.93
Jasmin
Okay. um I have a story and it's called Am I the Arsehole? Would you like to hear it?

17:51.45
Cherie
Yes, please.

17:54.49
Jasmin
I'm also looking at it.

18:08.66
Jasmin
All right, speaking of crazy motor level ugly, this is Beck. Beck, okay.

18:15.32
Cherie
Okay.

18:15.86
Jasmin
I'm reading it. Here we go. he says, I'm going to get right to it. My, oh, I've got another visitor. Hang on a minute.

18:26.52
Cherie
Heaps quiet for me, by the way. Oh, sorry.

18:28.34
Jasmin
Oh, sorry, I'll be better. Hang on. um Oh, I had to turn it down because it was turning red. Anyway, so that was my other child coming in to tell me that she's had too much delicious food and now her belly feels sick. And I'm like, all I'm hearing is I'm a great parent and I feed my kids. Get out here.

18:44.70
Cherie
You don't have anything else to complain about?

18:47.90
Jasmin
Yeah, that's right.

18:48.28
Cherie
come back to me when there's a ah like to me when there's bark tip.

18:49.33
Jasmin
I'm full of gravel still. Okay, it says, I'm going to get right to it. My 25-year-old boyfriend,

19:01.50
Jasmin
no, my 25-year-old, it's her, boyfriend, 28-year-old, likes to be called daddy in bed while we're being intimate.

19:11.67
Cherie
Is that not standard practice?

19:11.63
Jasmin
Ew. Ew.

19:14.52
Cherie
ah

19:14.73
Jasmin
I've obliged this request, but it's starting to get and I've decided I don't want to do any anymore. ah Valid choice. You can have that choice.

19:23.03
Cherie
Yeah.

19:23.26
Jasmin
He is not happy with this and insists it has nothing to do with the connotation of the word. He just simply enjoys hearing me say it. Ew, ew, ew, ew. Now, since he wasn't budging on the issue, which whatever, you just can't say.

19:36.34
Jasmin
Like, he doesn't have a choice. him I'd like for him to call me grandma in bed as a compromise.

19:45.91
Jasmin
He didn't like this option. He said it was giving him visuals he would prefer not to have. Like, okay, youre join the fucking club.

19:51.48
Cherie
Oh, really?

19:52.85
Jasmin
Yeah. Anyway, the last time he tried to initiate intimacy with me, I started to refer to myself as grandma in the third person. Do you like when grandma does that? And et cetera. And he flew off the handle, said I ruined the mood, made him feel gross and I was being ridiculous. I think I proved my point, but he thinks I'm being an asshole. So am I the asshole? Yeah.

20:17.00
Cherie
I don't think she went far enough. I think she should have like invested in some dentures.

20:24.82
Jasmin
ah Yeah, kind of...

20:26.48
Cherie
Let's just like really bring the visual home. If two people are not on board, then you don't do it.

20:33.18
Jasmin
I mean, there's no point in, I suppose, giving him a taste of his own medicine because that's just like saying two wrongs make a right or something. But, yeah, just don't do it. And if he's pressuring you to do something, i don't know if if if that's rape or not. you set a Is it if you get something in, like if you you're happy to have sex with her but you don't want to do that part of sex, is it still a rape? Is he raping her with words? LAUGHTER

20:57.14
Cherie
I'm so not a reaper.

20:58.74
Jasmin
ah

21:01.16
Cherie
quote comes up too often in my life.

21:02.97
Jasmin
I know. Oh, you just don't do it, girlfriend. Also, sounds he sounds like a dick. i think you should leave him.

21:09.37
Cherie
There's zero, like zero self-reflection either. He's just like, I want this, you conform to it. And then when he's sort of, it's mirrored back to him, he's like, you're disgusting, but there's still nothing wrong with what I want.

21:25.40
Jasmin
kind They just need have like, is this hard thing?

21:26.90
Cherie
Yeah.

21:30.20
Jasmin
line for them like he's like I have to have that or I can't be in this relationship it's something I have to have or it's a hard line for her I definitely cannot do this I do not want to do this but it's not a hard line for him so stop making a deal like who's there breaking a deal breaker for both of them either like then just break up I'm always an advocate for this why I can't be like I can't ever help couple friends like with their problems like if couple friends were like oh this happened I'd be like it's the guy's fault

21:58.45
Cherie
Oh yeah, I've got that same problem.

21:59.81
Jasmin
which

22:00.54
Cherie
Whenever my friends tell me like literally even the smallest thing, I'm like, fuck that guy!

22:05.14
Jasmin
Yeah, it's a guy.

22:05.40
Cherie
What are you even doing with him?

22:05.90
Jasmin
It's a guy thing.

22:06.52
Cherie
That guy's an asshole!

22:07.35
Jasmin
yeah The woman's like, I just went crazy and tried to stab him because he was like, he got me a present. And I don't know. I just can't stand him buying me presents and be nice to me anymore. I'd be like, if you asked him to stop being nice to you and he's still doing it, fucking disrespectful.

22:22.26
Cherie
but

22:22.65
Jasmin
Fucking disrespectful. Fuck him off.

22:25.37
Cherie
That's exactly right.

22:26.65
Jasmin
ah Sorry, guys. Sorry.

22:29.08
Cherie
I think I might have actually said that exact thing to my friend yesterday.

22:29.21
Jasmin
But,

22:32.75
Jasmin
it's not It's not all guys' fault, but it's just some of them are giving the rest of them a bad name, essentially.

22:37.94
Cherie
A lot of them are giving some of them a bad name.

22:40.34
Jasmin
A lot of them are giving, yeah, are they just more publicized?

22:42.93
Cherie
Yeah.

22:44.41
Jasmin
Is it a different plane of existence? And then once you're in a different plane, there's not as many of I don't know. I've got theories about this, but I've never been given access access or entry to the plane of existence where they don't do that.

22:57.73
Jasmin
This has turned into a man bashing segment. Let's move on. We are alienating. I don't know how many of our listeners, I don't have data on that. So here we go.

23:07.80
Cherie
but It's alright, it's okay because you told me today that there are some people who do actually download and listen to this and um I spoke to mum and she said that it's her, she downloads it 15

23:20.44
Jasmin
ah And she will agree with everything that we have said. So safe.

23:23.88
Cherie
Yeah, that's right.

23:25.28
Jasmin
ah Okay.

23:30.94
Jasmin
Moose, marry, avoid.

23:32.79
Cherie
Oh god, I always like get worried with these ones.

23:38.39
Jasmin
ah It's too, yeah. Quasimodo, Phoebus, Frollo.

23:48.76
Cherie
Okay.

23:49.94
Jasmin
yeah

23:51.19
Cherie
but

23:52.22
Jasmin
It's now you've got to put your money where your mouth is where you're like, oh he left Quasimodo.

23:52.44
Cherie
See, I know, I've got myself into someone who's going to have to marry the Argo.

23:59.22
Jasmin
ah He's so ugly. Oh, my God.

24:03.00
Cherie
so so

24:03.06
Jasmin
You're disgusting. ah

24:04.63
Cherie
But we can just have like, I'll just like tell him he has to call me mummy and if he doesn't agree to it, he'll leave me.

24:10.36
Jasmin
I bet you he's got mummy issues. He'd love that so much. Oh, my God.

24:13.37
Cherie
um my God.

24:14.24
Jasmin
Speaking of which, Summer just got me to watch a Daz Reacts episode and he was reacting to Super Nanny episodes.

24:22.74
Cherie
Oh my goodness. That woman had no business telling parents what to do.

24:28.25
Jasmin
Well, she wasn't even in anything. She wasn't qualified.

24:29.82
Cherie
she was literally nothing.

24:30.26
Jasmin
But besides that, this kid, it was this was called like Evil Children or something. And these this kid, the first thing you did he did, she walks in, he punches her in the vagina, right?

24:42.56
Jasmin
Yeah.

24:43.44
Cherie
Supernanny or his parents. Yeah.

24:45.07
Jasmin
He's super nanny. He punches Joe Frost in the vagina. Then the other one later, the mum's going, stop it. And she's ineffectively just like taking balls off them, putting it on the ground, letting them have them it immediately again, you know, holding them by their shoulders, stopping them and then letting them go and they're running off again.

24:59.78
Jasmin
Like she's absolutely not doing anything effectively. And then this boy, her son, who must've been maybe four or five, he was little, he goes to his mum, I'm going to fuck you in your private part one day.

25:02.94
Cherie
yeah

25:11.64
Cherie
Oh

25:13.66
Jasmin
He said that. He said that to his mum.

25:14.90
Cherie
no!

25:15.50
Jasmin
And I was watching it with my daughter.

25:15.92
Cherie
On television!

25:17.56
Jasmin
i was watching it with my daughter like, oh, I don't want to watch Daz anymore with you. He's ah but it just showing me something bad.

25:24.79
Cherie
Oh my god, that's horrendous!

25:26.07
Jasmin
Yeah. i wonder if they showed that on the original show. Like how did they air that and Daz has got hold of the footage? If it wasn't aired, it doesn't make any sense. He's a YouTube influencer.

25:35.83
Cherie
Yeah, it must have aired.

25:36.28
Jasmin
It must have just been what they aired. But, no, it beeped.

25:38.65
Cherie
Well, there were episodes of, I think it was Super Nanny. There was one of those shows where they actually were advocating for smacking and like having a belt.

25:48.74
Jasmin
I would have smacked those kids. Yeah. He said I'm the fucking idiot. Yeah, you get it. He deserves a smack. All right. We are ah putting off you saying um that you would either do or marry Cosimoto and I want to hear it.

26:03.61
Cherie
Look, because I think he would be really grateful and and very nice to me. I would have to marry Quasimodo, moose Phoebus and avoid Frollo.

26:11.81
Jasmin
Grateful. ah That's what you look for in a man is gratefulness. ah

26:17.98
Cherie
Well, it's not. It's just, you know, it would be nice to be appreciated.

26:22.10
Jasmin
They're eager to please. They're so grateful.

26:25.59
Cherie
Imagine how grateful he would have been to Esmeralda.

26:28.79
Jasmin
um match Imagine, imagine.

26:30.10
Cherie
Oh my goodness.

26:30.97
Jasmin
i just don't think he'd have very good social skills and emotional regulation. He's locked in his power.

26:35.10
Cherie
I don't like people anyway, it's fine. I don't have to go anywhere, I'll just stay in the bell tower and talk to the gargoyles.

26:37.43
Jasmin
Yeah, that's true.

26:43.35
Jasmin
Were they real in the end or was he just imagining it?

26:45.96
Cherie
I'm sure that they were a manifestation of his, you know, yeah i'm sure.

26:50.43
Jasmin
loneliness oh sad

26:52.55
Cherie
But I mean, for the purposes of a kid's cartoon, they were real.

26:56.28
Jasmin
oh okay well uh do i have to say whether i would marry well i'm going to change it to esmeralda febus and frollo and it's yeah well i don't know are we not allowed to change you i don't know

27:01.88
Cherie
think we both know that you do.

27:07.39
Cherie
No, that's not fair. You're not allowed to change the rules now.

27:13.14
Cherie
Ismaelda wouldn't marry you, okay? You cut the cheese.

27:15.00
Jasmin
i I wasn't going to marry a girlfriend. I was not looking to marry her.

27:18.52
Cherie
but

27:19.29
Jasmin
Let me put it that way. Okay. Quasimodo. What am I doing with him? Look, you just throw him.

27:25.64
Cherie
You're going to avoid him.

27:26.90
Jasmin
No, you throw him one bone. One. One. he would love that. It's like a public service. It's like sex workers being on the NDIS and stuff.

27:35.22
Cherie
ah but but

27:35.22
Jasmin
Like it's nice. It's a really nice thing to do. Phoebus and i and I'll marry Phoebus because I'm not looking at Quasimodo every day. Imagine how he poops. Don't you reckon he's just got disgusting stinky poops?

27:44.43
Cherie
Just like a person.

27:45.89
Jasmin
Oh, come on, stop. He's a freak.

27:50.97
Cherie
Just in case anyone is worried, we we had a hunchback in our own family, so it's fine for us to say that.

27:57.04
Jasmin
talking about Aunty Joan.

27:59.27
Cherie
Yes.

28:04.44
Jasmin
Look, I don't think there's a hunchback alive in the world that looks like him. It's not even the back. It's his massive puffy eyeball. It's

28:13.15
Cherie
It's his eyelid. He's got a puffy eyelid.

28:15.79
Jasmin
his eyelid. Yeah, perpetually puffy eye and weak chin.

28:18.87
Cherie
it just a paper plat is is a paper bag job.

28:23.04
Jasmin
It's a horrible eyelid and a weak chin. I can't do it. And Frollo, I will just avoid. i don't think he's got any money or anything that makes him have redeemable qualities of

28:33.14
Cherie
he's got lots of money, though. He's, like, in charge of Paris.

28:37.88
Jasmin
Oh, then I'll marry Frollo.

28:38.52
Cherie
He has legions of soldiers at his beck and call.

28:40.44
Jasmin
can but Can he just spend that on his personal spending? Like can his wife just go shopping?

28:43.86
Cherie
I'm sure he does. i don't think i don't think that anyone who's high up in the church in those, you know, day and ages were holding back from a bit of tax fraud.

28:45.18
Jasmin
Oh.

28:56.04
Jasmin
Oh, then I'll marry Frollo, do Phoebus and avoid Quasimodo because he's ugly.

29:00.42
Cherie
You're a bad person. You're just a bad person.

29:02.09
Jasmin
What? What? What am I saying? What?

29:04.18
Cherie
You didn't even throw him his bone. You just took it away.

29:06.26
Jasmin
on I'm saying what we're all thinking.

29:07.48
Cherie
You said you were throwing a bone and then you snatched it off him.

29:11.35
Jasmin
ah

29:11.96
Cherie
Well, I think it's actually worse that in the movie, one of his little gargoyle friends tells him he's shaped like a croissant.

29:23.06
Jasmin
ah don't mind that. So in this movie, who's the villain?

29:24.35
Cherie
That's hilarious.

29:29.47
Cherie
Frollo is the villain.

29:31.67
Jasmin
Could anybody else be the villain like Esmeralda for teasing him and then running off with someone else?

29:38.60
Cherie
Well, she sort of helped liberate him if

29:42.36
Jasmin
Did she get his little hopes

29:45.75
Cherie
She definitely got his little hopes up, yeah.

29:48.64
Jasmin
up?

29:48.92
Cherie
But I don't think that makes her the villain of the piece.

29:48.98
Jasmin
To use him for her own benefit?

29:51.32
Cherie
I mean, Frollo was literally burning Paris to the ground because he was in love with her and she didn't want him.

29:59.13
Jasmin
Maybe we need to start choosing movies where there's a more ambivalent like or, or you know what mean, like a more questionable villain.

30:05.65
Cherie
not such a clear line.

30:07.11
Jasmin
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

30:07.26
Cherie
Yeah.

30:08.43
Jasmin
This doesn't it doesn't work if if we're like there's nothing to, yeah, yeah.

30:10.93
Cherie
He's just like clearly the villain. and think we need to do Finding Nemo.

30:18.44
Jasmin
Who's the villain in Finding Nemo that's...

30:20.34
Cherie
Probably Darla.

30:21.66
Jasmin
Oh, that's right. Yeah, they because they just take ah take him.

30:23.26
Cherie
but She's just a kid

30:24.34
Jasmin
But he's just, he's like, I found him struggling for life on the reef. Like he thinks he's helping.

30:29.75
Cherie
And he's actually, he just seems like a nice bloke.

30:33.32
Jasmin
Yeah, he seems like a nice, like, oh, yeah, that'd be hard. All right. All right. That's on. That's, um it's on the agenda?

30:38.36
Cherie
Alright, it's a deal.

30:41.24
Jasmin
Agenda. Agenda.

30:44.33
Cherie
We'll call it Finding Nemo's Villain. Slip-we-dip.

30:50.23
Jasmin
Okay, well, i think that's it. We figured out who is the villain. We've, like, in case people didn't know how we got all these fourth degree burn marks on our arses, that was slippery dips when we were growing down. Some people call it a slide. Some people use the appropriate correct vernacular, which is slippery dip.

31:14.00
Jasmin
Slippery dip.

31:14.94
Cherie
Yeah, that's it. Why do we call it slides now?

31:16.27
Jasmin
How did I say...

31:17.55
Cherie
I haven't heard anyone say slippery dip in a long time, but you're right. That is correct.

31:20.76
Jasmin
I know. Thank you. And how did I say I was going to start signing this shit off?

31:26.78
Cherie
Get some culture in you.

31:28.38
Jasmin
No, that wasn't it. What are you talking about?

31:32.84
Cherie
I was going to tell you that could be your sign off earlier when you said mum should get some culture about her and and then I didn't actually say it.

31:40.15
Jasmin
Now, I remember last week we said, see you, savages. ah ah

31:44.44
Cherie
Yeah, that's right. You going to end it with your favourite quote or something from the movie.

31:47.54
Jasmin
ah so I started it with my favourite quote. All right. Well, I'll figure that out off air. Thank you for joining us, everyone, for the movie that I knew nothing about and Sheree knew something about.

31:59.93
Cherie
A lot about.

32:00.18
Jasmin
And

32:00.77
Cherie
Most, like, everything about. Let's just...

32:04.28
Jasmin
if you love the movie so much, why don't marry it then? Jesus.

32:07.58
Cherie
I will.

32:08.74
Jasmin
Good. And then, and then i'll yeah, we'll see you next week.

32:12.98
Cherie
Bye!

32:15.70
Jasmin
I don't know where the outro button is. yeah