Toto Chose Violence (And We Support It)

In this episode of Moose on the Loose, Jasmin and Tara tumble down the yellow brick road and start asking the real questions about The Wizard of Oz.

Was Dorothy actually the problem?
Did Toto choose violence?
And is the Wizard just a fraud hiding behind a curtain while sending children to solve his problems?

Along the way we uncover some wild behind-the-scenes stories from the 1939 film — including the infamous munchkin conspiracy, asbestos “snow,” actors getting seriously injured on set, and the surprisingly dark history behind one of the world’s most beloved movies.

We also play a few chaotic games including Moose, Marry, Avoid, Two Mooses and a Lie, and a brand new segment where we decide if Oz characters are “Wicked or Just Annoying.”

By the end of the episode we attempt to answer the biggest question of all…

Who is the REAL villain of The Wizard of Oz?

(And the answer might surprise you.)

Grab your ruby slippers, avoid the flying monkeys, and join us for one very questionable trip to Oz.

Transcript

asmin
Welcome back to Moose on the Loose, the podcast where we get you and your little dog too. well people are going to know what that is, right?
Tara
I thought you were going to be like, there's no place like home. But, um okay, that one works too.
Jasmin
The really obvious one. oh so
Tara
Hey.
Jasmin
The podcast where there's no place like home. I tell you what, you that's a contextually like can can mean different things.
Tara
No.
Jasmin
Like to some people it's like, oh, yeah. I love being in my bed and I love having a cup of tea at home. so I'm like there's no place like home. There's nowhere more chaotic than that. How good would it be to be anywhere else except for your home, you know?
Jasmin
you
Tara
Or going for a drive, listening to your music or something. That would be like my no place, like no home when there's no home.
Jasmin
remember that?
Tara
Or my home is crazy.
Jasmin
Do you remember when we had CD books with like pages and pages and pages set and then we had someone had like a six stack of like CD changer in their car and it was just like this makes things so much easier?
Tara
Oh, it used to be the Fandango thing.
Jasmin
Someone got like screen for
Tara
I remember my very first boyfriend and he'd be like like, yeah, he had like six different discs in there and I'd be like, all to change the song. And it was like the coolest thing and you'd hear this, dun nonk and i yeah yeah it's about to happen.
Jasmin
Like a robot. You can hear some music soon.
Tara
It's about, oh, damn it, it's a wrong girl. It's wrong song.
Jasmin
Yeah, wrong song, wrong song, yeah. Dark Ages, my God, living in the Dark Ages. Well, welcome everybody to Moose on the Loose. If you didn't get it from the very obvious quote that Tara gave us, we're doing The Wizard of Hey, everybody knows Wizard Oz.
Jasmin
Oh, my God, what the fuck was that?
Tara
That was supposed to be clapping because last time there was...
Jasmin
Did you have that prepared? I don't even know it's going to work because it's not possible.
Tara
I don't think it will. That was terrible. I should listened to the noise before I listened to it. But, like, yeah. i'm Sorry, my bad. My bad.
Jasmin
No, that was like the most funnest surprise for me. I really enjoyed that.
Tara
ah
Jasmin
I don't know if the listeners can hear it.
Tara
I was like, oh, she's going to hate me. I wasn't sure I would have told you that beforehand. So I'm glad that went well.
Jasmin
Oh, my God, or bring the surprises. Always bring the surprises. ah Tara's back, everyone. she She had such a good time last time.
Tara
I
Jasmin
She said something to the effect of, God, I love hanging out and chatting with you, Jazz. You're the best person ever. You're heaps funny. You're pretty gorgeous looking. You're financially well.
Jasmin
I can't think of any other positive traits that people have. But I'm...
Tara
ah just want to see how long it takes for police to come to my house and actually arrest me.
Jasmin
Oh, my God, that's what you're all doing. Oh yeah, we said some things. Fucking hell. We said some things.
Tara
oh dumb things. Oh, my God. Ray, listening to that, oh my God, I was mortified. i was so like, oh, my God, shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up.
Jasmin
and You can press pause.
Tara
No.
Jasmin
You've got pause button.
Tara
Well, i got I got Josh to listen to it and I was peeking at because I'm like, fuck, did I say something really bad about him? And then it got to that part and I was like, maybe I'll just stop it now. But I didn't. But then he was annoyed that I didn't say anything about him.
Tara
So, yeah, I'm talking about him now.
Jasmin
Oh my gosh.
Jasmin
Okay. um He wants to be famous.
Tara
That's his his famous moment.
Jasmin
it It's not as fun as you, as you think.
Tara
No, God, no.
Jasmin
You've got to like, you can't leave the house in tracksuit pants. Like if you're famous, you really, every time you step out, actually Matt would say that you can't leave the house tracksuit pants anyway, if you're not a slob. Ha, ha, ha, ha.
Jasmin
Ha,
Tara
Oh, I was recycling cans before and I was like, hmm, one day going to be famous. And no one knows that this person right here recycling cans is a famous person.
Jasmin
ha, ha. Ha, ha, ha.
Tara
But yeah, I'm just doing it for like the the nature of the thing, you know, not because I'm broke.
Jasmin
The cans, oh, my God.
Tara
but Yeah, well, I collect them because after you do a lot of them, like it can like actually add up.
Jasmin
are
Tara
It's just, you know, putting them through is kind of the poverty moment of your life where you're like, maybe.
Jasmin
I feel like they'd be stinky. I don't like stinky things. um
Tara
yeah
Jasmin
Okay, wait do we do we ah we're doing the the Wizard of Oz and sometimes I forget to do this, but I'm not forgetting today. Quick summary, quick summary of the Wizard of Oz. Now, I did no brushing up whatsoever. haven't probably seen it for at least 10 years. ah There's a, oh, there's a thing. Hang on. I'm going to have to, think I'll do it in a minute. Okay.
Jasmin
There's a chick and she's, did she run away from home? Her aunt's a bitch to her and she doesn't like it and then she runs away from home with her dog.
Tara
No, well, because I kind of did a ah quick recap that I, because it's been so long and the movie's so old, it's really hard to kind of watch it. But um yeah, like I think she, her dog, Toto, bites a real rich, a rich lady and she's like, I want to take your dog away and she doesn't want the dog to be taken away.
Jasmin
Oh, that's right, they're taking a dog. Yeah, they're taking a dog.
Tara
Yeah. Yeah.
Jasmin
And she's like, Annie M, Annie M, you can't take my dog. That's right. And, in fact, the the run sheet ChatGPT's made it says Toto chooses violence and annoys the wrong dog.
Tara
I thought that was kind of funny when it said that.
Jasmin
And so then, yeah, they try it. They take her dog away. And then she she's the next minute goes through a hurricane and then she
Tara
No, Tornado yeets house into Oz.
Jasmin
She'll know who yeets her house into Oz.
Tara
but
Jasmin
Lands on the Wicked Witch of the East, takes her out. She's dead. And then because she killed her, she gets the ruby slippers, which are magic. But it's like all they can do is teleport you, but she didn't doesn't know that until the end of the movie. So she's just wearing them. They're on her feet. um The Wicked Witch.
Jasmin
Now, wait, who does she kill? Another sister, a third sister.
Tara
I think it's like the naughty witch's sister. Oh, not naughty.
Jasmin
Yeah, that's right.
Tara
I don't know i'm saying that. Like I swear all the time that I'm like naughty, the naughty witch. But I'm pretty sure from her socks because they were black and white, she was probably her sister because she was really upset, the wicked witch, about this this house landing on her sister.
Jasmin
Yeah, it says the Wicked Witch of the West is instantly furious and fully committed to being dramatic about it. She's told to follow the yellow brick road to see the wizard, to be able to go home.
Tara
Yeah.
Jasmin
And along the way, she picks up a scarecrow who thinks he's dumb and needs a brain, so he wants to see the wizard. A tin man who thinks he's heartless, so he goes to see the wizard. um And then a lion who is scared of everything, but he's meant to be brave because he's a lion.
Jasmin
And off they go together. And then um when they get there, the wizard turns out to be a fake witch. um And then what happens?
Jasmin
Is it after that they get captured by monkeys with wings?
Tara
No, apparently, because I don't remember this part, but apparently the wizard makes a deal with Dorothy that if she goes and kills the witch, Then he will give her the gift to go home, whatever it is. So they team up and they're like, let's go kill the witch.
Tara
And, um it well, that's what I mean.
Jasmin
sound right. It turns out that it's just
Tara
i was a bit confused by it. Okay.
Jasmin
Yeah, it says turns out the witch's greatest enemy is basic hydration. and She melts the spot. So she gets wet. She melts. ah and then And then they go back to see the wizard and then they find out that he's just a guy hiding behind a a spooky kind of setup.
Jasmin
um And Dorothy then finds out she could have gone home earlier, which is rude information to reveal at the very end. Yeah, she to get home. And I think it was just all a fever dream at the end.
Tara
Yes, because she got hit on the head by the, because I believe the tornado is actually real. And one of the things fell off and hit her in the head.
Jasmin
Right.
Tara
And um that's when she actually was, yeah, unconscious the whole time, allegedly.
Jasmin
Yes. Okay. One sec. Okay, how do you feel about that for a summary? It was a bit chaotic and boring, but it's done.
Jasmin
ah you Are you happy with it?
Tara
I don't think it was chaotic and boring. i think it was a pretty good summary.
Jasmin
Okay, I haven't missed anything. You're being more positive than me. Excellent. last We've got positivity. Come to the podcast. Lovely. ah Okay, well, the first thing I want to talk about, which Matt mentioned when I said, you know, we're go to do The Wizard of Oz, he said, oh, did you know ah munchkin hung themselves on the set?
Jasmin
And I was like, oh is that a conspiracy or a real thing that happened? So let's um let's talk about that.
Jasmin
Do you know any Wizard of Oz conspiracies, Tara?
Tara
Oh, my God. Yes, I do. know heaps.
Jasmin
Oh, okay. I want to hear.
Tara
Well, I don't know, because some of them aren't conspiracies. Some of them are actual, like, I think it happened. Like, it's and it's not a conspiracy if it actually happened. But the conspiracy is the hanging of the munchkin, and I think they tried to play it off like it was an exotic bird.
Tara
But um i
Jasmin
Oh, it's like, that's a bad rap.
Tara
Yeah, that like kind of was swinging in a weird, suspicious type of manner.
Jasmin
um So, okay, this is what it says on that, what I've looked up. um That is the most famous conspiracy that a munchkin hung himself in the background of a scene on the Yellow Brick Road. Reality, it says it's almost certainly a large bird like a crane or emu moving in the background from the zoo animals used on set.
Tara
Oh, told you.
Jasmin
The studio confirmed this decades later, but people still swear they see something disturbing. Yeah,
Tara
What zoo animals did they have on set? Because I don't really recall many zoo animals or exotic birds.
Jasmin
good.
Tara
And then all of a sudden towards the end, they've got an exotic emu hanging in the background.
Jasmin
like munchkin it is a person wouldn't they have had a funeral and the family be like oh they died on the set of the wizard of oz it's not like a family ever came out and we're like oh my god you know
Tara
Yeah, but this was a long time ago I'm pretty sure this movie was back in like 19... Like, i don't know when this movie came out.
Jasmin
ums too so there's no there's no social media for the family to really tell the world about that and of course yeah
Tara
Yeah. Like, now we would find out next day. would find out before the parents. But
Jasmin
And, of course, they're going to be like, no, nobody killed themselves. No.
Tara
did you know they ate children too? Like...
Jasmin
um Okay, here's another one. The Wizard of Oz syncs with Pink Floyd. So the theory claims that if you play The Dark Side of the Moon by Pink Floyd at the same time as the movie, the music perfectly lines up with the scenes.
Tara
I don't know, but that makes me feel scared. i don't know why, but it makes me feel really uneasy. Like it's like one of those, like if you play it backwards, you can hear it being like, I am the devil. Like, guess I don't know why that makes me feel really uncomfortable, but is what song was the Pink Floyd song?
Jasmin
Well, it's the I think it's their album. Throughout the whole movie, it just matches everything that happens in there. The band said it was never intentional, but the coincidences are still spooky. um Maybe the conspiracy is that stoned people can notice patterns in things, you know?
Jasmin
I've
Tara
Oh, okay. I wouldn't know about that one.
Jasmin
never heard.
Tara
i wouldn't know what you're talking about.
Jasmin
I haven't had what with band.
Tara
um
Jasmin
the marital whana i don't even know what that is um okay then there's one about the movie is secretly about us politics which immediately makes me feel boring like bored i feel bored
Tara
Yeah, no, that one is not interesting. It's probably really actually probably interesting, but then like leads to a lot of stuff that's happening and outing today, but like, I don't care.
Jasmin
right there's another one um the wicked witch catching fire
Tara
yes oh yes that one yes well it's true because um that's not a conspiracy theory because she actually an interview on that one um saying with her hands they got really severely burnt um when the trap door because apparently the pyrotex something like that um it went off too late so yeah when she went down her hands got really burnt
Jasmin
You had so much information in tucked away in your brain about this. What are you missing like from your day, like stuff that you should know because that is taking up space.
Tara
Yeah, I know.
Tara
I know. It's a bit concerning actually.
Jasmin
You were nearly right. So ah she disappears in a burst of fire, a trapdoor and flame effect malfunction. The fire went off too early before she'd fully moved off the platform.
Jasmin
Her green copper-based makeup caught fire burning her hands and face. She suffered second-degree burns several weeks ring before returning to finish. And because of this, she refused to do fire stunts again.
Jasmin
And a stunt double was used for later scenes like the broomstick skywriting. So, yeah, the accident did happen. Now, the other one I want to talk about, Judy Garland, get molested by the Judy Garland says that some of them made inappropriate comments and lifted her skirt.
Tara
Getting molested by the mum and getting drugged and getting like, she was like, I feel so sorry for that kid. And it's so sad because I really watched that movie and I was like, I wish I was like her.
Tara
And no.
Tara
Well, they were short enough. They didn't really need to lift it far. But like, you know, they apparently they got drunk all the time and they were menaces on set majority of the time.
Jasmin
Yeah, think that's
Jasmin
Imagine that. Imagine you're born a little person and then you just go and wreak havoc on the set of a movie and that's your life.
Tara
Well, I'd be pretty stoked about it, not going to lie. I wouldn't like to be the munchkin hanging on or the exotic bird in the background, but like the other munchkins. But apparently, yeah they were just a bunch of alcoholics.
Jasmin
I wonder if that's a misdirection because remember, there's also a rumor that they put her on extreme diets and they gave her stimulants to stay awake and then sleep to go to sleep.
Tara
Yeah.
Jasmin
And then they pressured about and like her appearance and everything. I wonder if they stopped her.
Tara
And slapped her on set. Did we say that one? We're... Yeah, the producer or something because she giggled in one of the scenes and he was so angry and frustrated that he went up and slapped her because, ah like, it's about being professional.
Tara
It's not about joking and laughing because back then too, like, it wasn't about laughs and stuff like that.
Jasmin
ah
Tara
It was very serious. And she was a young girl. And did you look up if Toto got paid more than the actors?
Jasmin
I didn't. Did Toto get paid the most? No. no
Tara
Okay, well, I won't say that one then. don't know who told me that one. Or the snow, the but ah asbestos snow.
Jasmin
Toto, her trainer, earned $125 a week, adjusted for inflation. That's $2,500 a week today. Judy earned $500, so she had four times more than Toto. But the o awkward part, Toto actually earned more than many human actors, especially the actors playing the munchkins. i don't think that's awkward. It wasn't the dog. It was his trainer.
Tara
Yeah, true.
Jasmin
I'm fine with this.
Tara
Yeah, I'd allow it.
Jasmin
Okay, so was the snow asbestos?
Tara
Yeah, the asbestos, no.
Jasmin
i don't know if I can look this up because I'm not.
Tara
I don't think if it was asbestos, but I believe it was mixed in with asbestos. So it was like a different types of stuff that you shouldn't be running around and lying in and breathing in.
Jasmin
It was asbestos, yeah. yeah Oh, my gosh.
Tara
Yeah.
Jasmin
Oh, my gosh.
Tara
And the 45 kilo costume of the lion man, which was actually from real lion fur. So they killed many lions to make that suit.
Jasmin
Oh, and the lead from the Tin Man. He got blood poisoning or whatever from the lead.
Tara
Yes. Yeah.
Jasmin
Yeah, the lion's suit heavy, miserable to wear in The Wizard of Oz.
Tara
So they both would have ended up in hospital.
Jasmin
Suit was made from real lion skins and fur. Why why do you know all of this?
Tara
I don't know. i just do. Okay. If it was a thing that it was like a, you know, a sport or think you got paid a lot for, i would be killing it.
Tara
But unfortunately, Oh,
Jasmin
I'll just stop questioning you want and just be happy because it's quite helpful, I suppose, for this episode. Okay, amazing. Well, that's conspiracies, but we are here to talk about who's the villain, who's the real villain.
Jasmin
So let's do
Tara
well
Jasmin
that. Who's the real villain, Tara? you got opinions?
Tara
I already know who the villain is.
Jasmin
Is it the bitch who dropped a house on someone's sister?
Tara
Wait, actually i know who the villain isn't and it's what?
Jasmin
Is it the fucking bitch who dropped a house on someone's sister and then went, why are you being so mean to me?
Tara
don't know. I feel like it's a good witch because it's an accident about the house, but the good witch like is like, it's okay. Take her shoes. It's okay. Go on a mission with these weird strangers that don't know anything and don't have a heart, don't have a brain.
Tara
Don't have any, what's the other one? Don't have guts. You know, let's all put in a mission to go see a man who's a fake man. And at the end of it, she knows the secret to everything. And yeah.
Jasmin
So she's just using Dorothy to get rid of the other witch so she can be like, aha, yay, I'm the only witch around now.
Tara
i don't know. Yeah, probably. i don't know why, because they're just munchkins. I don't know who she's fighting for, like what spot she's fighting for, because, you know, they seem pretty easy to, um you know, hang around.
Jasmin
Is the wizard the villain? Because he lies to everybody.
Tara
I don't know because I think, oh, I don't know because allegedly, i don't know if this is true because i don't remember it in the movie, but he does tell Dorothy and the other three to go kill the Wicked Witch after she like has found out her sister has died.
Jasmin
Yeah, and she is a kid. That's a good point as well. um All right, well, we'll come back to that. we We'll all mull over that a little bit. ah Do you have a preference for what game we play?
Jasmin
What is our first game today, Tara?
Tara
okay. Uh, who was the real villain? Was that the one that we just did
Jasmin
Yeah, that's not a game.
Tara
but
Jasmin
That's a segment. Yeah.
Tara
Well, in that case, I don't know. Um, the game was ah like Moose, Mary or a voice.
Jasmin
Oh, you want to do Moose Mary Boyd?
Tara
That's the only one I'm kind of familiar with.
Jasmin
You're dying to tell me who you want to moose. I can tell. right, here you go.
Jasmin
Who you want to moose, you dirty mooser?
Tara
Who wouldn't name this? Um...
Jasmin
That raises more questions than answers.
Tara
I like to tick things off my list, okay? Whether it be good or bad, okay? At least I can say I've done it. um Okay, so who are the options of me moosing?
Jasmin
All right, Glinda, Glinda the Good Witch, remembering when I think back, she was like 50, right? The Wizard, also 50 and short.
Jasmin
And the Wicked Witch, covered in green and talks real dramatic-like.
Tara
Well, um i don't know. Obviously, Glinda. Is it Glinda?
Jasmin
Glinda, yeah.
Tara
I don't like her name. Firstly, who can trust a person called Glinda? Like, I don't know. Have you ever met a Glinda before?
Jasmin
I've met a Glenda and she was really nice.
Tara
Yeah, but not a Glinda.
Jasmin
No, not a Glenda.
Tara
It's like the polar opposite of a Glinda.
Jasmin
Is it? That's the polar opposite.
Tara
Wait, wait, whoever.
Jasmin
You don't think polar opposite would be like Gertrude?
Tara
i don't know.
Tara
Yeah, I suppose Gertrude is way worse. All right, well, it shines...
Jasmin
don't know.
Tara
Glenda's not as bad now. So, and she's really pretty, but um I don't know. I i don't like, i don't know. I feel like she's very condescending and very like like, even though she's really nice, I feel like it's very condescending nice.
Tara
Like, oh you just fell from the sky and killed someone.
Jasmin
While you're having sex with her, while you're moosing her, you just put your hand over her mouth.
Tara
wow. al
Jasmin
If it's what he says that bothers you, just be like, don't talk. You're wrecking it.
Tara
Well, if I'm moosing her, I'd be doing way worse than just putting my hands over her mouth. Like, I'd be doing naughty stuff to...
Jasmin
Oh, man.
Tara
Anyway.
Jasmin
Moose people. I'm just stuck. Okay.
Tara
But I could find a kinky little thing to do with all of them, like the short little man. He's a walking head job. um
Jasmin
Oh, like without me.
Tara
The Wicked Witch. She flies a broom. That's pretty cool. um Okay. I would moose. ah I'd moose Glenda.
Tara
I'd marry the Wicked Witch. And I'd avoid the wizard.
Jasmin
Why you marrying the Wicked Witch?
Tara
Because i think looks like eventually, like, ah don't know, I'd get past the green face and the cackled laugh. And, you know, she's got a point.
Tara
She's got a castle. She's got monkeys. She's got, like, you know, she flies from a broom. Like, she's got a pretty fucking soul. And she doesn't have many, like, she doesn't hang out with the monkeys. And they kind of seem annoying.
Tara
So, you know.
Jasmin
All right.
Tara
Okay.
Jasmin
All right. No, there's no wrong answers. I'll tell you my answers. um
Tara
Please do.
Jasmin
ah Yeah, I'd probably avoid the wicked witch just because of all that negative energy. And I'd probably ah moose the guy just because he's a guy.
Jasmin
I wouldn't have sex with a chick. And the reason is, I'm not a lesbian. Every single day I wake up going, am I lesbian yet? Like hoping against hoping. Maybe I'm lesbian finally and I never am. It's the greatest disappointment of my day. I just imagine it's so much easier, you know.
Tara
Every afternoon I'm like, God damn it, I wish i was a lesbian.
Jasmin
yeah, like see towel on the floor.
Tara
well
Jasmin
ah Oh, oh, I feel a lesbian.
Tara
Yeah, but I don't know. I have a lesbian friend and, you know, girls are just as bitchy. Like imagine dating a bitchy girl that's, you know, like when I'm in an angry, crazy moment, I don't think I could handle dating me.
Tara
So that's where I know that I probably couldn't be a lesbian.
Jasmin
You're not a lesbian because you don't like yourself as a woman. don't know.
Tara
No, because I say some nasty things when I'm cranky.
Jasmin
don't think you're a lady who's not nasty.
Tara
So.
Jasmin
I don't think that's my issue. My issue is that, i yeah, actually don't know what my issue is. my God, maybe I am a lesbian.
Tara
What is your issue?
Jasmin
Yay.
Tara
What is it about men that disgust you?
Jasmin
Oh, look, some of them are, well, this is the same thing for men and women. Some of them are shit, aren't they? Some of them are. I've got good one at the moment.
Tara
Some.
Jasmin
But say he leaves me, then... Yeah, maybe. yeah yeah I'm pretty sure he was. i look I did look like when I was looking for a boyfriend, I pretty much checked every single guy out there and this was the only good one.
Tara
Yeah.
Jasmin
thank you So can safely go from him to women and I know that I've checked. I've checked, you know. i don't need to keep looking through the men. All right, well, good. I've put down every man out there that's listing.
Jasmin
um Let's move on. I would really like to have a guess of um Two Mooses and a Lie. Is that okay? Can you genuinely, whichever order you wanted to do and then we'll play Am I the Asshole.
Tara
Oh, oh yes. Was that the one that was supposed to mention when you were like, do you to do a game?
Tara
you threw threw me when you did that. Cause I was like, I had an order. The order was in the fucking sheet. The sheet says the order.
Jasmin
Oh, yeah. I'll jump around.
Tara
So I was like, Oh God, i' got to pick a different order. Okay. We got it. All right.
Jasmin
I'll jump around. Here we go.
Tara
Okay. Awesome. All right. Where is my two misses? Oh, I'm not on the right sheet. i'm My bad. I'm so sorry. I'm looking at your sheet and I didn't put it on there because I didn't want you to read it. So makes sense.
Jasmin
Mm-hmm.
Tara
Okay.
Jasmin
That does. Yes.
Tara
All right. So my two mooses and a lie. So one, in L. Frank Balm's book, Dorothy's magic slippers were silver, not ruby.
Tara
um Second one, the 1939 movie was the first ever screen version of The Wizard of Oz. Does that make sense? The 1939 movie was the first ever screened version of The Wizard of Oz. ah The third one.
Tara
oh um The Smithsons' famous ruby slippers are actually a mismatched pair from two different sets of movie shoes.
Jasmin
God damn it. How the fuck am I supposed to know the answer to this?
Tara
I was really worried because I was like me, obviously, because I know so much dumb information. I was like, she's going to know these. This is too easy.
Jasmin
Is it the mismatch shoes? Is that some sort of rumour you've heard? Is that what it is?
Tara
is Is that your final answer?
Jasmin
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my final answer.
Tara
Push the button.
Jasmin
Which one? The good one or the bad one?
Tara
The move button. i don't know. is there
Tara
Yay. Okay. No, you are correct. I mean, wrong. but
Jasmin
Oh,
Tara
Talking about an emotional up and down ride there in that one second.
Jasmin
oh! Oh my God, did that happen?
Tara
I'm so sorry. The one that is incorrect is the 1939 was first ever screen version of the Wizard of Oz.
Jasmin
I was in town. I just went up and then I crashed down again. oh my God. um Which one was it?
Tara
The... one that is incorrect is the nineteen thirty nine movie was the first ever screen version of the wizard of oz the Early Oz films existed in 1910 and 1925. I don't know how that's relevant. Ew.
Tara
twenty five i don't know how that's relevant
Jasmin
You know what, I should have known that one because I went and looked for Oliver Twist, the movie, and I couldn't find the one that we all know and love. thought we should do Oliver Twist. And ah the I found this earlier one that was fucked, fucked. he's like So this pregnant person gets up to, like, the church in the middle of the night. There's a storm and everything, and it's real cold. And they're they're like, um it's very cold out. Would you like a bump? And they offer them cocaine out of a little fucking tin.
Jasmin
Yeah.
Tara
Wow.
Jasmin
That was like normal back then, I suppose.
Tara
Wow. Imagine like having the option to live back in those day and ages. i already know what I would probably choose, but like having to like being like having a bump of Coke, like, yeah.
Jasmin
had chamber pots. You understand that they were using chamber pots. You're fine with that.
Tara
If I'm getting Coke, that's like the finest Coke. I think I'd be fine with anything. No wonder they're working at such a young age.
Jasmin
I would not. choose anything over a chamber pot that's my same problem with um sorry the other way around I wouldn't uh yeah have you ever seen outlander the woman goes back in time and and it falls in love there so she decides not to come back to the present and I'm like oh mate too bad if I fall in love you know hundreds of years in the past because there's no fucking way am I using a chamber pot I think about this too often half of my day is just been going thank god I don't have to use chamber pots
Tara
What is a chamber pot?
Jasmin
it's ah It's a pot that's under the bed and you pee and poo in it because you don't have to.
Tara
Oh, that's why you wouldn't go back is because of a poop pop?
Jasmin
Yeah, it's embarrassing.
Tara
A poop pop?
Jasmin
Who's going to see my poop in the pot? don't want people to see my poop.
Tara
Oh, not for Coke. I would be cleaning out those poop pops. oh I can't even say it right. Poop pots all the time.
Jasmin
That was a good one chamber pots because poop pots are too hard to say.
Tara
i would.
Tara
Yeah, it's so it's too much of a tongue twister for me. Chamber pots. Yeah, I would definitely put up with changes. Whatever. You know, the things out the back.
Jasmin
okay um
Tara
is it under the bed like why do they not have a different room like why would you poop and then put it under your bed
Jasmin
Okay. I know. It's the middle of the night thing. All right. I want to know. um i have I have a question on behalf of a person and it's this.
Jasmin
Do you want to, um do you, do you want to read it?
Tara
Oh, is this the, am I the asshole part?
Jasmin
Yeah, I'll do it. if
Tara
No, you do it.
Jasmin
Okay.
Tara
I can't even say words right now.
Jasmin
Okay.
Jasmin
him him Am I the asshole for telling my brother's fiance? i actually don't know how this is related to the Wizard of Oz. Oh, it's a shoe thing. Okay. Am I the asshole for telling my brother's fiance that the ring he proposed with was my dead sister's keepsake that he took without asking?
Jasmin
I'm 19, chick. i'm a chick. I've lost my older sister years ago and one of the only things I had left of hers was a ring that meant a lot to me. I kept it in my room and saw it as one of my personal keepsakes from her. Recently, my older brother proposed to his girlfriend. During the proposal, I realized the ring he used was our dead sister's ring and I had no idea he'd taken it and nobody asked me beforehand. And when I confronted my family, they basically acted like I was overreacting and said it was just a ring. But to me, it wasn't just a ring. it was one of the only things I had left of my sister. My brother then got angry and said I was making his proposal about me. and I ended up telling his fiance where the ring had actually come from that had been taken without me knowing. She gave the ring back. Apparently, the engagement then fell apart. And now my parents and brother blame me for ruining his relationship. Wow.
Jasmin
I feel awful that it blew up that badly, but at the same time, I don't think I was wrong for speaking up about something that was deeply personal to me. So am I the asshole?
Tara
Oh, don't know. I think not really.
Jasmin
Not at all.
Tara
well, not, I wouldn't say not at all because I believe with rings and stuff like that to keep it in the family, they do it by last name, not technically by blood.
Jasmin
Not at all.
Tara
If you know what I mean? Like, so technically, cause the brother is got, he's got the last name and he's marrying off to like a female, like he's still keeping that ring in the family, technically speaking.
Jasmin
That woman does not have the sentimental attachment to this ring that this girl, she shouldn't have it.
Tara
Well, that's why she gave it back.
Jasmin
Yeah. And put it in the past.
Tara
But this is where the brother should have spoken to her about it.
Jasmin
Yeah, he just was like, you know didn't think about anyone. And also I think he was just trying to not spend money on a ring.
Tara
Well, how would you feel if you were wearing, like, if you got proposed to and the ring you were wearing was your, you know, sister-in-law that's passed away, that was hers?
Jasmin
Yeah, I wouldn't like it.
Jasmin
I wouldn't like it. And if this can ruin your relationship, then the relationship was not meant to be. Okay. If you can't get through this.
Tara
It depends how pretty the ring is.
Jasmin
ah i was going to say.
Tara
Well, if it's a nice ring, I'd be like, well, she doesn't, she's not going to wear it.
Jasmin
no
Tara
Like, come on. And who they would have buried it with her, wouldn't they? Like, why wouldn't they have, like, you know, obviously it's there to give to someone and I'm sure we would have got along if she were alive, you know, like, and if we split up, I'll give it back.
Jasmin
It's gotten, yeah it's further than the ring thing now. it's She's actually blamed for breaking them up and being called she's an asshole for breaking them up. So don't know if...
Tara
By the sounds of it, she didn't want to be with the brother in the first place because if that was the only reason for her to be like, this isn't working because, you know, you gave me a ring out of, you know, if she's not understanding enough to see where the brother's coming from.
Jasmin
Yeah, highly doubt it was about that. You know what i mean? and It wasn't about the ring. They were like, anyway. um So I have a question, actually. So there's not the arsehole and yes, the arsehole, but then there's a middle section that's got a thousand votes for ESH. What's that?
Tara
I looked that up. It was, um
Tara
I think it was neither were assholes or something. It was like, so not the asshole, you're the asshole. And each, I think it was like each person plays their own part.
Tara
Like, ah but forget what it stood for.
Jasmin
okay
Tara
It's in my notes, actually.
Jasmin
well the 8 421 people said not the arsehole 93 people said yes the arsehole who are these 93 people yeah yeah what are they doing
Tara
94 if it were me. one
Jasmin
dey oh my god okay well i have another a new game just for this podcast would you like to play it
Tara
Of course I would.
Jasmin
It's, ah
Tara
ah it's everyone's socks here.
Jasmin
what oh, yeah, no, I've got it's some wicked or just annoying.
Tara
Oh, no, no, no. I was talking about the ESH, what it stands for.
Jasmin
oh everybody sucks here.
Tara
Yeah.
Jasmin
Oh, everybody doesn't suck there. She's 100% right. No, I disagree with that. But 1,000 people said everybody sucks here, so that's a lot of people.
Tara
Yeah, I would have gone, yeah, I would have gone everybody sucks. But anyway, next game. Okay.
Jasmin
Okay, wicked or just annoying? um Dropping a house on someone and immediately stealing their footwear.
Tara
Wait, what was the, um, the two options again?
Jasmin
Wicked or just annoying?
Tara
Wicked or just annoying. Okay. Yeah. Um, I'd say that's pretty wicked.
Jasmin
Yeah, making a child walk across an entire country instead of helping.
Tara
That's
Jasmin
Okay.
Tara
annoying.
Jasmin
Starting a war because a dog barked at you
Tara
ah Oh yeah, that's pretty wicked.
Jasmin
um Sending flying monkeys after someone who stole your shoes.
Tara
I don't know if that's wicked or annoying. I think that's pretty cool. I would be pretty impressed if someone sent monkeys after me to get their shoes back. I'd be like, you know what? I'm not even going to like, you know, I'm pretty impressed or scared.
Jasmin
Ha ha. Have you seen Wicked? Like not Wizard of Oz, like Wicked?
Tara
No, I haven't. I can't get past the singing part. I'm sorry, but like, it's just, they sing too much.
Jasmin
yeah yeah Yeah, I for some reason was avoiding watching it But anyway, i've I've seen some of it now. And those monkeys transforming is pretty brutal. I'm like, oh, I feel so sorry for those monkeys now. It looks really painful. um Okay, I've got Oz Red Flag, date or run.
Jasmin
So I'm going to describe something. You tell me whether you would date them or run away.
Tara
Okay.
Jasmin
Okay, shows up everywhere in a magic bubble.
Tara
Datum.
Jasmin
You date him. You're like, that's a hot bubble you got there. know that
Tara
Yeah, I'd feel like just don't come around when people can see you, but like I would, I'm kind of inquisit, like I'd be, you know, I'm intrigued by the bubble.
Jasmin
Lives in a castle but melts when hydrated.
Tara
Ooh, yeah, I'll date. If they annoyed me, I'd just throw water on them.
Jasmin
Yeah, that's actually a pro.
Tara
Yeah, that's definitely a pro.
Jasmin
her
Tara
That'd be so scared of you. If that was, like, you know, like because every time you'd have an argument, you'd be like, I'd have the hose. I'd be like, let's talk about this in while I water the garden.
Jasmin
what Yeah, that's right.
Tara
ha, ha. Ha,
Jasmin
You have a real think about if that's what you really want to do while I'm watering the garden. Really think carefully.
Tara
ha, ha.
Jasmin
After that, I might get a drink of water. ah Funny. All right. Well, um that seems like plenty. We just need to decide who's the villain officially.
Tara
I'm going to go, oh, it's between the good witch and the wizard.
Jasmin
my God. You're like saying that it's not the Wicked Witch at all. You're like.
Tara
Wow. Are you saying it is the wicked witch?
Jasmin
She was going to kill them.
Tara
They killed her sister and stole her shoes.
Jasmin
Accidentally.
Tara
I would want to, it doesn't matter.
Jasmin
Accidentally.
Tara
Like, I'd be like, okay, you accidentally killed my sister. Can I please keep the shoes because it will remind me of her. And they're like, no, we're taking them and we're going on a mission. fuck you.
Jasmin
i glinted it Yeah, all right. I'm going to break this down. The Wicked Witch of the West. She threatens Dorothy repeatedly. She sends flying back.
Tara
because her dog bit her.
Jasmin
Yeah, tries to kill them to get the ruby slippers. I do understand.
Tara
Because they killed her sister.
Jasmin
Yeah, so her sister was killed by a falling house, which was an accident. Dorothy did take her shoes and a random witch sort of, yeah, immediately gave her the shoes. um Okay, The Wizard.
Jasmin
Liar. Not magical at all. Just a man using machines and smoke. um Let's Oz, not just those four people, like let's everyone believe that he's powerful and that he can um protect them. But then he sends his little kid to go defeat the witch instead and refuses to help until she completes a dangerous mission.
Jasmin
Dog act, my friend.
Tara
I, my feminine side is really starting to come out now. And I really just want to punch him in the head. Like, honestly, to put a kid onto a thing and to act like a big, powerful man. And literally you're behind a curtain.
Jasmin
Wow.
Tara
ah
Jasmin
I think then someone had to go solve the problem, though the problem that they created in the first place.
Tara
Yeah.
Jasmin
ah
Tara
Precisely.
Jasmin
ah Okay, Glinda's shady. She's obviously shady. She knew Dorothy could go home the entire time. She didn't tell her. She sent us on a dangerous trip.
Tara
Yeah.
Jasmin
ah She lets Dorothy deal with the witch herself for some reason. witch has been around that whole time, but she sends Dorothy then. um What does she actually do that's good? Nothing, nothing.
Tara
Nothing at all. She is a very gaslighting lady.
Jasmin
There's another villain, Toto. He bites the neighbour, forces Dorothy to run away, and he's the one who pulls the curtain back and shows us that the wizard's behind it.
Tara
Well, then he kind of redeems himself at the end if he does the curtain thing.
Jasmin
can tonight Chaos everywhere he goes. He's little chaos dog. My dog is the same type of dog as Toto almost.
Tara
Like, looks like the dog or is annoying dog like Toto?
Jasmin
No, like, they yeah, the breed. What's that breed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, his little brothery.
Tara
I wonder how many dogs actually got called Toto after that movie.
Jasmin
yeah
Tara
reckon the majority of them would have been like, I'm going to call it Toto because it looks like Toto from Wizard of Oz.
Jasmin
I should have called him Toto. I called him Julio.
Tara
Why Julio?
Jasmin
Because i had a dog when I was a kid, you might even remember this dog, who was exactly the same as this one. It was an Australian Terrier and her name was Juliet, J-U-L-I-E-T. But this is a boy.
Jasmin
So I wanted to call this dog Juliet, but he's a boy. So I called him J-U-L-I-O, Julio, like short for Juliet. But J-U-L-I-O is actually the spelling of Julio. Yeah.
Tara
hence julio wow interesting
Jasmin
thatopous and Now we we say this is Julio when people meet him.
Tara
well
Jasmin
Oh, Julio. Yeah, yeah. um
Tara
interesting
Jasmin
I'm calling it. The villain is the wizard. He runs a whole country on lies and intimidation.
Tara
okay
Jasmin
He lets the witch situation spiral. He sends a kid to solve his problem. The wicked witch is an angry sister and she's trying to get her family's property back. And she's not just wicked. She didn't pick that fight. he's that This guy is just doing corrupt things all day long. Fully makes sense that it's the guy that turns out to be the villain.
Jasmin
Fully makes sense. I love it when we get a villain swap. Most of the time the villain's a villain. This is like a proper villain swap. Can you play your clap sound?
Tara
yeah oh no by the time i find that will go on an ad and the ad goes for like a minute so because i'm doing it on youtube yay no and i agree with you too i do i do not disagree with you at all i think that it would be him because yeah for all of the above reasons that you just mentioned
Jasmin
I can't.
Jasmin
I'll do my own clap. Clap.
Jasmin
Oh, my God. Okay, we're in agreement. There should be a segment about do we agree with each other.
Tara
don't know
Jasmin
ah
Tara
because I don't think we do agree with much, actually. We do have very polar opposite opinions on things, which is surprising.
Jasmin
No, I'm always, I've got the correct one and you've got the other one.
Tara
Oh, that is not it.
Jasmin
It's terrible.
Tara
That is definitely not it. Okay, I'm pretty sure if we, like, challenged each other, I would keep going until you'd just give up.
Jasmin
Oh, yeah. No, I'm not persistent. I am.
Tara
But then you'd just use smart words and I'd be like, I don't know what she means.
Jasmin
Oh, I don't know about that. I don't know about that. All right. Well, thank you so much for coming to talk about The Wizard of Oz and the various molestations, hangings, sexual abuse, other conspiracy people getting set on fire.
Jasmin
That was fun. I really liked that.
Tara
Good. I do mind, i do like the conspiracy theory ones. They're always very interesting.
Jasmin
Oh, well, we'll have to, we'll do something on something of that next time. We'll have it, we'll put our heads together.
Tara
Awesome.
Jasmin
All right, toodaloo.
Tara
Toodle-oo. Until next time.