Ep.5 pt 2-Beyond the Burnout: Reclaiming Your Spark

In this conclusion to our first two part series, Bernadette, Becky, and Theresa return to the table to tackle the "what now?" of emotional exhaustion. After identifying the signs in Part 1, the trio shifts focus toward the root causes of burnout and the often-misunderstood world of self-care.

What's in this episode:

• The Roots of the Flame: A candid discussion on the sneaky habits and systemic pressures that lead to burnout.
• Redefining Self-Care: Moving past the "bubble bath" clichés to discover what actually refills your cup.
• The Practical Roadmap: Actionable strategies to enact self-care routines that stick, even when your schedule is packed or finances are strapped.
• The "Burnout Shield": Proactive ways to protect your energy and keep the overwhelm at bay.

Plus: Stay tuned for a special treat—Theresa steps into the booth to give us a professional taste of her signature commercial voice!

Whether you're currently feeling the heat or just want to bulletproof your well-being, this episode is packed with the insights and encouragement you need to thrive.

Listen now and start putting yourself back on the priority list.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Find out what happens when three therapist friends drop the therapeutic dialogue. Join us unfiltered, unapologetic, and uncouched as we discuss the real issues, therapeutic dilemmas, and a whole lot of laughter. Our vision is to go beyond information and build upon inspiration. This is Therapist.

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Oh my God.

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Wait, is the music on now?

unknown 0:54

No.

SPEAKER_04 0:54

Still hear it. And no commercial. I'm gonna throw this thing through the window. Through the crack in the window that I have in my office.

SPEAKER_01 1:06

Yeah. Okay.

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I'm so over it.

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Okay.

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This is great. Burnout. Burnout. Here we go.

SPEAKER_04 1:14

I am not a fucking music producer for a reason. Okay.

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Or a reason. I don't think this is so much. This is gonna be so.

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There's a lot more reasons than this one. But this is maybe one of them.

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Maybe.

SPEAKER_04 1:28

Okay. It's okay. So we're back on burnout. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:34

And I was listening back a little bit. Yes. Our second. Honestly. I also will apologize. And on the last uh episode, I was really excited to possibly bring in a guest, but schedules conflicted.

SPEAKER_03 1:49

You lie. Yeah.

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I wish.

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Don't make promises you can't keep.

SPEAKER_02 1:54

You know, we will try one day. I'm not gonna say when. You just have to keep listening in until you hear a guest. But anyway. That sounds fantastic. But where we left off was reframing the mindset.

SPEAKER_04 2:08

I'm glad you figured out where we left off because I did not. I don't really remember doing part one.

SPEAKER_02 2:13

Well was all a figment of your imagination.

SPEAKER_03 2:19

I check out after we're done.

SPEAKER_02 2:20

You also sound much louder right now, and I hope that's the case moving forward.

SPEAKER_03 2:23

But you just need to because my mouth is touching the microphone.

SPEAKER_04 2:28

Shove your microphone in your mouth.

SPEAKER_03 2:30

It's gonna give me like microphone rug burn on my lips. Okay. It's gonna chap me up. Yep.

SPEAKER_01 2:38

Make sure that you have your lip balm. I don't.

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Alright.

SPEAKER_04 2:42

So Pucker Up Buttercup.

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Recapping. Wow, please don't do that.

SPEAKER_04 2:47

She's sucking into the microphone right now. She told me to. She is not happy that she's so close to it. No, I'm sorry. I keep interrupting. I know.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

You're a little distracted. Yeah. It took us a while. But honestly, this is this is a great glimpse into how our relationship has always been.

SPEAKER_03 3:05

Is it really?

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It is. Oh, great. In case anybody out there was really curious how we function. Function, communicate. Yeah. Oh.

SPEAKER_01 3:16

Oh, we do.

SPEAKER_02 3:18

We do communicate well. Yeah, I guess we do. There's just a little bit of distraction sometimes. That's all. A little bit of a lot. Sometimes. Yeah, that was me being nice. So no, but okay. So we talked a lot about the definition of burnout. We talked about um what we each experienced. It was an overwhelming consensus of like uh we had all felt it during COVID. We then also talked about ways that we felt burnout here when we first opened. Yes. And then we started to talk a little bit about what were some of the things that were the causes, whether it was lack of sleep, lack of nutrition. Being an adult.

SPEAKER_00 4:07

Yes.

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No, being a functional human. Being a person. Being a person in this world.

SPEAKER_01 4:14

Yes.

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Um, and then we started talking a little bit about what are some of the things that we could be doing better, you know, scheduling ourselves actual times to exercise, to eat appropriately, how much sleep we're getting. I when I re-listened to our episode, it it did also make me laugh, Paul. You were just like, shut us down. I'm like, oh no, I'm getting hours of sleep. I'm not telling you what time I'm going to bed, but I am getting those hours. Yes. But then I I think you brought up a very good point, Teresa, that it's not so much sometimes of how many hours. It's if you're getting restful sleep. And I think that that's what What are you doing? Are you okay over there?

SPEAKER_04 4:54

What are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 4:55

Don't worry about it.

SPEAKER_04 4:56

I'm going to because she's literally talking to you.

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I'm listening.

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She's actively listening.

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I am listening. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 5:04

But then we, God, I lost my turn. Oh, boundaries. Then we talked about boundaries. We gave examples of how we are very good about uh checking in and maintaining boundaries with each other and with this jam and finding out how we are seeing in our clients if they're able to. Teresa, in the last episode, you made a very good point that it's some uh how do I phrase this? Right? You were saying uh it's important that you are setting the boundaries, but it's gonna depend also on who you're setting those boundaries with, because if the people are respecting your boundaries and helping you maintain, we talked about how that is a good support system.

SPEAKER_03 5:45

Damn, I had a lot of good points back then. Yeah, you talked I don't remember any of them.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

No, but this has always been your topic. I know that this was one of those topics that you really wanted us to talk about.

SPEAKER_03 5:56

No, it wasn't. Yes, it was.

SPEAKER_02 5:57

It was Becky's idea.

SPEAKER_04 5:59

Oh, it wasn't. Yeah, it was. Is that burnout? Yeah. I'll take the credit. Yeah. Even though I don't know whose idea it was. Well, just say it was Bernie's. Because I didn't even notice your new couch in your office.

SPEAKER_02 6:11

The things that we notice. Also the things that I remember, and I remember it was yours. But anyway.

SPEAKER_03 6:17

She likes being right. Just say okay.

SPEAKER_02 6:21

Just say okay, and not ask my husband. Or now, as my children get older, they're realizing that too. But nice deep breathing. Very proud of you. Make sure that you're grounded. Dig your feet in.

SPEAKER_04 6:35

Yeah. And count into the chair.

SPEAKER_02 6:41

I like that. That's a good one. But anyway, then the last piece that we love those. Yeah. Red leather, yellow leather. That was this is nothing to do with it. Sorry, it was not. But when you are burnt out, you sound delusional, you sound crazy. So sometimes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 6:59

We know who's burnt out today.

SPEAKER_04 7:01

Well, she's got like five million things that she's doing now, so there's that. I know. All of the things. She's like, let me see how how much can I put on my how big is my plate? My plate is not very big, but I'm gonna pile it on.

SPEAKER_02 7:14

But you know what I used to tell people about that though? What? What? That's why there are side salad plates. Yeah, yours isn't the side salad.

SPEAKER_04 7:22

You're just putting it on your main plate. All of the plate. I'm in the buffet. And it's gonna be together like mashed potatoes and gravy and peas and carrots and gravy. Yeah, because people would always ask how do you do that?

SPEAKER_02 7:31

Don't you have a hot on your plate?

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All mushed in the space.

SPEAKER_02 7:34

And I said, Yes, I do. And I have a side salad plate. Oh, you might do stuff. Put everything in a blender, is what you're saying. Hopefully, it all fits in my world.

SPEAKER_04 7:48

Mashed potato milkshake?

SPEAKER_02 7:50

That sounds so gross. Um, but welcome. Welcome. If you're just joining us. It's kind of gross. Um, but yes, then we were we last left off on reframing the mindset. Right. And we I think in our field, we're always trying to tell our clients how to reframe their mindset when it comes to burnout. Um, especially when it's hard that some of the other things are not in their control. Yes. So we'll we'll start there. How do you ladies like to sometimes talk to your clients about reframing their mindset? Or even like what does that mean? Because there might be some people listening to this and they have no idea what that means. Oh.

SPEAKER_03 8:32

I just say, okay, say it again differently. Do not say it again differently. I do. I go, uh, let's try that again. And then they have to think about how they want to say it. Okay, how it's going to benefit them. I really do.

SPEAKER_02 8:47

I go, all right, try it again. But they've been with you for a while. Yes. How do you describe reframing mindset to maybe somebody who's more new to the field, like in in therapy? Like clients?

SPEAKER_03 8:59

Yeah. I don't take any more new people.

SPEAKER_02 9:01

Oh gracious. Just think back when you did so hard. You're just avoiding. Okay. Be down with ODD. Yeah, you know me. All right. Thanks, Miss Roe. You can put your hand down. Yeah. Uh let's go picking. Like in class when they hear like not exactly what we're picked down for.

SPEAKER_04 9:23

I'd like shrink into my chair. Like so you don't get picked on? Exactly. Oh. They'd be like, did you re- What's the answer to nope? I didn't do any of these things for me. I don't wear sunglasses. Yeah. Oh, really? I'd be like this. Hey, people. I know you know. I was in the back, always in the back row, somewhere, not usually by the door, but like over in the corner. That was my chair. I couldn't, because I couldn't see the board if I was back. And I was the short. I didn't care if I saw the board. I was just like, this is where I'm sitting today.

SPEAKER_02 9:56

I am not answering the question, which the question is Rebecca.

SPEAKER_04 10:00

Yeah, I'm sorry. See? Here we are. We're avoiding it too. I know. God didn't do my homework.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

What is reframing a mindset?

SPEAKER_04 10:06

Um, it is taking some of those negative thoughts that you have or negative things that you say, or you know, looking at a way in a negative way. Way in a negative way? Looking at something in a negative way. Or an unhealthy way. Unhealthy way. And taking it, I was gonna say reframing it, but that doesn't make sense in this whole I can't explain the definition of the word. I can't use the same word the definition, right? So taking something and noticing a different side to it. Yeah. Or saying like, oh my gosh, it's raining today. Yeah, it's raining, but in April we need all the water to nourish the plants so they grow, that kind of stuff. Um, taking something and yes, this is what it's happening, but the bigger picture is other things are happening with it too, or because of it. Um, let's say someone's flight gets delayed or canceled. Oh my gosh, my flight's delayed. Okay, then maybe you have time to do the thing that you wanted to do now in this city or whatever. You know, just finding the other things that you can incorporate into what you have to deal with anyway. It's not gonna change. What you have to deal with isn't changing, it is what it is.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:21

So then how do we make the most of it? How can we reframe it to make it so it's something that's use in your favor?

SPEAKER_03 11:28

Yeah, useful. I like that. I think it's I think it's like perspective changing. Yes, right. Like you can see things in so many different ways, so many different angles. You can hear things in different angles, you can say things, right? And it has so many different perspectives to it, right? And so it's finding that perspective that's going to be beneficial to you, more intentional and more purposeful, right? I think um to help you get out of whether you're in a cycle, right, or you're stuck.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

Right.

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Right.

SPEAKER_02 12:08

So then with those definitions, because I think those are just spot on, how are we? How are we using them with burnout? Right? Whether it's a person's burned out with their job, a person is being burned out with you're on a chair.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

Okay. I'm trying to figure out why is this not moving. No, I didn't.

SPEAKER_02 12:41

No, unplugged that.

SPEAKER_04 12:42

Oh, that's fine. Okay, you're gonna be okay. I'll be all right.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

I just like trying to figure out maybe by reframing the mindset is that it's keeping you a little bit more grounded and closer to the microphone.

SPEAKER_04 12:53

One would call that kidnapping. But yeah, let's reframe that.

SPEAKER_02 12:58

God have mercy if any one of our clients ever said that to me. Let's reframe Touche.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

Touche. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:05

I feel stuck here too. Um, but that would be like if they are feeling really stuck with something in their world, you know? Um, and we're trying to reframe their mindset to get more towards um healing. How do you figure you usually will use that with them?

SPEAKER_04 13:27

Um, I sometimes I'll do like an art piece with them and what the obstacle in the way is, or I'll do like a timeline, like a journey with them, like show me all of from your journey up from you know, when you know you needed therapy, or from when you were little until now? What did that journey look like? What are the detours? What are the pitfalls? What are the obstacles? And sometimes when someone has a big obstacle, I say, well, how can we get how can we detour about this obstacle? Can we go through it? Can we go around it? Can we go underneath it? How do we do those things? What can I help you with in this sense? What do you need from me to go around this obstacle? Do you need me to do we need to cut right through it? Do we need to attack the problem head on? Do we need to find ways around it? Say that, yeah, this problem's gonna be there. What can we do to get by with the problem still?

SPEAKER_02 14:21

Make adjustments, yeah. I just got this imagery though. If um what would you do if you have a client that uh draws a brick wall?

SPEAKER_04 14:34

Oh, I love those. Those are my favorites.

SPEAKER_02 14:37

Cool. Tell me how you go about that one, right? Because like that's yeah, intense.

SPEAKER_04 14:43

That's intense. What's this brick wall mean?

SPEAKER_01 14:45

I don't know, it's a brick wall. Yeah. But what's who put it there?

SPEAKER_04 14:50

How did it get there? How big is it? How wide is how many bricks wide is this? Can we go around it? Is there a way to go around it? Do you not want to go around it? Do you want to stay there? If they want to stay still wanna scale it? No. Right.

SPEAKER_02 15:04

But then it's also, and I wonder if this is ever something that you come across is like, do you ever ask the question, but who built it? Oh yeah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 15:13

Like, how did it get there? Right? Yeah. Yeah. How did it get there? Did you build? Did you build it because you wanted to willingly? A lot of the things I tell people, you build a wall when you when someone hurts you, when you're in anything happens, when you feel sad or grieving, you're gonna want to build a wall to make that not happen ever again. And that works. But the problem is that it it it cuts you off from any relationship building, and it in turn isolates you then.

SPEAKER_01 15:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 15:43

So you have a wall, yeah, you're protected, but now you're isolated. That doesn't help. You think it does, but it actually can make things worse because you feel so alone.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

That's and it's deep though, because that's I think one of the things that I love the best about art therapy is the fact that it's not so much about analyzing what somebody has put up, but clearly it's more about following their journey as to why they needed to put this image on paper or build this thing. Or I used to love when some of your clients would do like um clay art and stuff, and you would just see the things that would come out of that constructing.

SPEAKER_04 16:36

It's really cool how you know you can go through a metaphor with people. That's one of my favorite things to do with clients is follow their metaphor.

SPEAKER_01 16:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:46

Um, a lot of times I'll have clients draw themselves and their family as animals. Pick an animal that you would be, pick an animal for each of your family members.

SPEAKER_02 16:54

Oh, I remember that.

SPEAKER_04 16:56

What would they be? Why? And why, and then we talk about why they are that animal. And then what would you all do together? You know, can an eagle and a snake be together? Yeah, probably, but maybe not.

SPEAKER_02 17:10

Does that eagle carry the snake every day?

SPEAKER_04 17:13

Does it eat the snake? Probably. But um, but those are the kinds of things where you get an in inside view into what your client sees without being so head-on about it. Like, tell me about your family, they'd be like, fine, whatever. But then you get the inner workings of the relationships in that family just based on what they perceive, what the animals they perceive their family members to be. If someone is a monkey and someone is a bird, and someone is a horse. A horse, right? Or someone's a bee, like then you get to talk with them. Well, what does a bee mean? Never really you don't want to put what you think onto the artwork. Yes, that's you want to talk with the clients about what they are doing with why that's exactly why they did that. It can be a million things in your mind. It doesn't mean it's the right one. It means that the client made something that you talk through that then and get to know them more based on what they've done.

SPEAKER_02 18:15

I like that. I I can see that being really helpful also if um I I used to do with some clients a um like a board game and a little like path, this like journey, and then letting them know they can pick something that they believe is gonna be the end result or whatever, and we would treat that like a goal that we're hoping to get to. But sometimes it's really uh a complex thing for them to do that forward journey. So we have to work backwards.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:48

Right. So, like if if maybe, you know, I don't know, maybe it's a young person that wants to go to college one day, and college is that goal for them. And it can bring in so many different pieces of like values and priorities and, you know, uh family expectations, but then knowing like, oh, okay, so to go to college, I have to finish high school. Okay, so what does it mean about just high school in general? Oh, I should probably have good, really great good grades and I should probably try to make myself a well-rounded high school student and maybe do some extracurriculars. Okay. But what is that also gonna take to be able to do those things, right? And then sometimes it does come up of like, is that a value in your family? Is education a value? Is it gonna be a priority for some kids a hundred percent? Like, I have to go to college, or it might be it's a zero priority in my family. Nobody cares if I go to school or not, I want to do it for myself, kind of thing. So it's but that can even lead to some of that burnout because you don't know what that journey ahead is gonna look like or what changes need to be made, and how are you gonna go about that? Right. So I do think this reframing the mindset really is gonna come from a place of asking a lot of thoughtful questions, right? And trying to get a sense of what is this person's lifestyle, what are they coming in with, and what are they hoping to kind of leave with that? How about you, Teresa? Do you find some of your conversations with clients about reframing their mindset besides flat out telling them do that again, try again, wrong. I concur.

unknown 20:28

You concur.

SPEAKER_02 20:29

But no, I mean, you have some, you've always had some really interesting clients where they get very stuck and they keep doing and saying the same things over and over again.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:40

So how do you combat that with reframing the mindset? I like I said, I try it again.

SPEAKER_03 20:45

I really do.

SPEAKER_02 20:46

What happens if you have somebody that really is very ODD, right? And I say they're very oppositional.

SPEAKER_03 20:52

Well, then I guess we're not gonna be able to move forward. You're stuck. You're gonna have to figure out how to unstuck yourself. How to unstuck yourself. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_04 21:01

You're gonna help them with that, or do you just say, figure it out? Okay, bye, see you next week.

SPEAKER_03 21:05

Yeah, yep. I say, listen, I can meet you halfway, but you're gonna have to unstuck yourself. Like that's gonna get you a bumper sticker that says that.

SPEAKER_01 21:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 21:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 21:16

Okay, but go ahead. So you unstuck themselves.

SPEAKER_04 21:19

But they unstuck themselves. They unstuck themselves.

SPEAKER_03 21:21

Yes. Or you tell them to go go unstuck yourself. Yeah. I say, how are we gonna get unstuck? But if you're gonna be stuck, then we can't really move forward. Well, yes. I'm a very straightforward therapist. No, I love that.

SPEAKER_02 21:39

You know that I like that. Look at that. Oh my god. This works. Um we're gonna stay like this. Yes. If I really wish we were also recording ourselves. I can take a picture. Like video recording. Yeah, put it on our Instagram. I have a we already have a picture on red cord wrapped in my head right now.

SPEAKER_04 21:56

Lovely. But it makes the little buzzing noise in the background go away. Oh, I know you look like a little princess.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

Oh. Anyway. Princess of Wires.

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SPEAKER_02 22:47

If you're here for the ride and you've made it this far to episode six, so what do we talk about?

SPEAKER_03 22:52

Rye?

SPEAKER_02 22:53

Seeking social connection.

SPEAKER_03 22:56

Oh, I thought you said rise.

SPEAKER_04 22:57

You have a group that does that, Teresa, don't you? No. Yes, you do. Talk about it. I don't have a group. You have a group on Fridays. What is that?

SPEAKER_02 23:06

That's a great social connection, especially when you have a bunch of young adults that struggle to make meaningful and purposeful. Dr. Edwards would love that. Meaningful and purposeful personal how does it have to do with burnout? Well, the thing is, is it's hard as a young adult to make any of those connections. And we talked last time about finding your support system, finding wherever your support system is.

SPEAKER_03 23:37

Oh, I don't remember that.

SPEAKER_02 23:38

That that's why I'm reminding you. So I think one of the things I always tell young people is that yes, as you become an adult, it's harder to find friends, right? High school is very proximity friendships. Yes. Yeah. You're just kind of friends with the people around you because you go to the same classes, the same schools, same activities.

SPEAKER_03 24:00

But I think it's a great way though. I think I tell my teenagers, yes, school can be boring, but it's a place where you can build lifelong friendships, though. Because it is so much harder as an adult. Yeah. Right? Because I do. I mean, I'm not friends with everyone I was in high school with, but I have those key friends from high school.

SPEAKER_02 24:21

Yes. I'm still so much closer. Shout out to the Mira Mira Club. I am so Mita Mira. Yeah. Look, look. Um, I am so much closer to them than I was anybody from college. Yeah. But it is.

SPEAKER_03 24:34

It is harder to make friends. I have one friend from high school.

unknown 24:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:37

But I have her. But it's meaningful. It's very meaningful. And but we know this as adults that sometimes you get down to the nitty-gritty of uh only being able to count your closest friends on one or two hands, right? But um if you don't have that, yeah, right. If you don't have that, it's so hard. And then I tell young people, like, okay, well, hopefully you maybe you make some good close friends in college. Sure. But you start to then get into the real world, you get a job, and then you start to turn myself this way a little bit. You start to gain friends from where you were. What is that like? I know, very special. Although I do say, sure, you might be trauma bonded because you have an a common enemy. Yeah. Your boss.

SPEAKER_03 25:26

Yeah. Yeah. I think um I tell my adult clients or my young adults that it's harder to make friends, yes, when we get become adults. But that also means as adults though, if we want to have friendships, we want to have people in our life, it does take more effort for us. Because they agree. Like you said, high school, we were there. There were people around us, you you were not forced to, but right, but there was a bigger opportunity to have to interact and be friends with people and get to know them. But as an adult, you're an independent adult now. You can choose to not talk to someone, or you can choose to say, hey, I I want to get to know somebody, right? And a lot of that like friendship making, I think, comes from the individual adult themselves, and you do have to put more effort into it to create that. You know, it's not uh I just get to go to work and I'm just automatically gonna make friends.

SPEAKER_02 26:26

True. I will throw their throw this out there. Maintaining those friendships that's hard too. 100%. But you need to recognize in a as an adult if maintaining that friendship is also what's leading to burnout.

SPEAKER_04 26:44

That's a good point. The the friendship is taking too much from you.

SPEAKER_01 26:49

Yes. Yes.

SPEAKER_04 26:51

We have a coworker that we used to work with that we'd call those expensive friends. And I really liked that term. It's an expensive friend because it's someone who takes a lot from you. Yeah. And they don't give it a friend. They don't have that support there. You're you're giving the support or the time or the everything to the relationship and not getting anything back. Not that, you know, a friend it's not a one-way street. Friendship, it's two-way. So if you it's not being friends with someone just to get something back, but to have an equal amount of support or back.

SPEAKER_02 27:24

I'm gonna call that an IRS friend. Why? Because you're just paying a tax all the time and you're not getting anything else. I thought it was like an acronym for something. No, no, no, no. I mean, it is.

SPEAKER_03 27:38

Oh but do you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 27:42

You're only paying into it.

SPEAKER_04 27:43

You're only paying into it.

SPEAKER_02 27:44

I think I was in the end, what do you get back?

SPEAKER_04 27:46

Yeah, nothing. Fucked. I'm nothing.

SPEAKER_02 27:50

That that first part, if you are getting fucked, not in a good way. But anyway, right. So if you are, here's the problem, right? Then that is the burnout.

SPEAKER_03 28:01

I think yeah, I think I was coming from a perspective of having that support system. If you like when you're burned out because of work or other things in your life, yes. Um, having those friend groups, right? Yes, yes, to be that support when you're burned out. So I was coming from that perspective, but I get what you guys are saying. But I think it's it's two things, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:21

Like you no, no, no, no, no. Really? They're connected because right, you want those friendships that you can turn to them and just say, uh, I need to vent. Or uh, you know, thank goodness, like we can like the three of us, we can sit there and laugh at the most stupidest crazy things. Not with you two. No, never. But we can only in meetings, like dark humor or um I just anything. We we connect on that and it just eases it. I know it eases me a lot when I get to talk to the two of you because then I'm like, okay, I'm not doing this by myself. This work is hard, it's crazy, it's worth it. But it's so nice to be with people who speak my language, right? Like, oh, I had this therapy session, it was draining and it burnt me out, or oh my gosh, I'm trying to take care of the things for the clinicians, or oh, things are costing so much money. But you guys get it, you're there, you experience it, and we can laugh about it or cry about it together and get over that. I drink water, lots of it. But on the other side, like you were saying, then you have to reevaluate what does that friendship mean, though. And if we had a particular friend that was only draining us all the time, then that's not even a friendship anymore. That is then contributing to the burnout. Then what's the point of that? What's the point? But going back to why you do your group and why I think that is so special.

SPEAKER_03 29:54

My group is a neurodivergent young adult group, 18 and over. Yes, check it out on our website, people.

SPEAKER_04 30:04

We play games and socialize. She's not as angry in person as she is on the microphone right now in group. Sometimes she's angry at us.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

But I think that's so important because those those neurodivergent people wouldn't know where else to get some of those friendships. Because not all of them are working, right? Not all of them go to school. They're not getting out of their homes to find people that relate to them, and then they can sit down in our group room and go, yeah, that sucks. Right? They're being affirmed that life's hard as a young person. Friday nights, 6 p.m.

SPEAKER_03 30:43

Come one, come up. It is $40 out of pocket. There you go. What a great way to also plug that. Yeah. Plug so many things. So many things. Artwell Therapy Center. Rain, snow, or darkness will still be here. Oh, and it's open. So it's never a closed group. It's a rolling group. It's a rolling group. I love that. Yeah. It's been going on forever. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 31:07

But don't worry, if that group doesn't exactly meet your needs, please still take a look at our website for our group page and the beautiful flyers we have up there.

SPEAKER_04 31:15

Starting the activities.

SPEAKER_02 31:19

But again, finding more ways for people to connect and combat the burnout.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

Yes. Agreed. Yeah. Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 31:29

So with that being said, again, going back to my I have to reopen my thing here. Okay. So the last piece I had on here was about recharging and self-care. And I know we talked a little bit about that last time. Yes.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

But how you ladies recharged and self-care. Look at that.

SPEAKER_02 31:48

Recently. Yes. This weekend was a nail weekend. I'm sure it was. Clearly needed that.

SPEAKER_04 31:55

If I don't, I pick my fingers and who wants to shake their therapist's hand with gross fingers that looks real bad. Why are you touching your clients? They shake their hand to say, nice to meet you. Oh, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 32:07

No, but I think it's harder also for you because you guys are always at that low. Yeah, with your hands.

SPEAKER_04 32:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:13

So the the eye level goes down to the creation makers. Yeah. Yeah. I get that. I get that.

SPEAKER_03 32:21

You work with your hands a lot, actually. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:22

So I do remember working at the school though that you used to talk so much about wanting. Because remember, I would like constantly change my nail color and I would do the craziest things. And I that was like my own little therapy, like doing designs and all of that. But I remember you saying, Yeah, I don't get to do that as much because your hands were always like soaked in something in grimy from clay or model magic, glute, yeah, and everything. It's the artist life. It is, but it's a different lifestyle now where you can like treat yourself to stuff now like that.

SPEAKER_04 33:00

When I was in college, I was getting my undergrad in uh bat my Bachelor of Fine Arts, and I literally I was doing painting, oil painting, and I didn't think I had any clothes that didn't have oil paint on them because I lived in it. Yeah. Um I l in the painting, in in the studio, in and everything.

SPEAKER_03 33:17

But see, to me, yeah, it's so like it's romantic. Like I good word for that. I love I love artists, and like because I had a cousin who was an artist, she went to the art institute, and I remember visiting her apartment one night, and it was just so like just covered in canvases and art, and it was just this chaotic mess, but it made sense, and it was just so like yeah, it's like I said, it's a romantic idea of like what an artist is to me.

SPEAKER_02 33:48

I feel like that's because it also came from that romance era.

SPEAKER_03 33:52

Maybe. Yeah, I don't know. But anything like whether you're like a visual artist or an actor or a musician, like I romance like the romance of what that looks like to me. I like envy that. I think it's beautiful.

SPEAKER_04 34:05

I'm like, oh yeah, it was a lot different than my actual like life of you know, getting high and watching Beavis and Butthead when I was an undergrad. No, that's not very romantic. That's okay. We have different parts of our life. That's true.

SPEAKER_02 34:19

But yeah. No, that's well, that's that was at that point in time a different way you were self-caring.

SPEAKER_04 34:25

It was very different way I was self-caring. Or self-not caring. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 34:30

Yeah, no, that's true. No, I recently was talking to a client, and and she and I were talking about what are those self-care things that she's trying to get herself back into. And we were both laughing at the fact that uh like getting your nails done, getting pampered, right? Or getting a pedicure, how relaxing that can be. But on the other side of it, talking about how expensive that has gotten. Like I remember getting Manicare, Medicare, and maybe at the time dropping 50 bucks seemed a lot. Yeah, yeah. I mean, this today's was like $135. I was like, Yeah. But sometimes it's gonna have to be, yes. Do you have to drop some money on self-care and recharge activities? Sure. Right? We can list out a lot of them, whether they're massages or the one thing I want us to go do together is a sound bath. You want us to do one of those? They have one night tonight, I think. They have a couple of them, and I and I have um an old friend who does them as well, and I would love to check her out.

SPEAKER_03 35:36

Mimosa went to one. That thing that you sent me where they were the pool ones. Yes, she just went to one. Did she like it? Yeah, she thought it was very cool. I just get a little nervous if I'm gonna get like seasick. Oh, I know. I'm playing and floaty. Yeah, I get motion sick.

SPEAKER_04 35:50

What do you think on the waves are gonna be like in there? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 35:53

It doesn't matter. Just the movement. So could you ever hear people who get seasick on um yeah, no, but get seasick on waterbeds? No, yeah, that's a thing.

SPEAKER_03 36:03

Like if I'm on a boat and it's not moving and it's just like Chicago River, look at the architecture, I throw up. Motion sickness. Yeah. If I'm on a boat, it has to go. Okay. Like it has to be moving speed, like I can feel it. I'm like, okay. But if we're just like kind of hanging out on the boat, yeah, like waveleting there, yeah. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

Okay. So that's the only thing. I would definitely take a dream um dramamine or something before I lay down. Yeah. Because my eye your eyes are supposed to be closed.

unknown 36:31

Oh.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

For the sound bath? Mm-hmm. Oh, what is it? Well, it's supposed to be more relaxing, you know, like meditative. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 36:36

So um, I think for me, when I talk to clients about self-care recharge, uh, I usually say to them, you tell me what is your self-care recharge because it looks different for every single person. Yeah, right. Some people need to clean. Yeah. For them, cleaning is relaxing, right? Some people like to just, you know, go for a walk, listen to music, whatever it is. So I will always like name things for clients that could be considered recharge or self-care, but I always say, why don't you tell me what is it for you though? Because I think that's what I might think is self-care or recharge. You might go, oh my God, that's like anxiety provoking, right? Or I don't like it, or I don't have the money, right? So I'm always saying, what is your recharge? What is your self-care look like for you? Because it's gonna always be different for everybody. Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_02 37:27

When I've told people that I wanted to get back into like a monthly massage, uh, you either get the responses of it's expensive, which I totally agree it is, or the people who are like, I don't want a single person touching me. Oh, that sounds so terrible. And I'm like, Oh. Yeah, okay. Yeah. So I so no hugs, got it.

SPEAKER_03 37:45

Yeah, right. So I always do that with my clients is I've recognized, like, oh, I like it's different for everybody. So instead of me listing things off to them, I say, why don't you tell me what are things that you used to enjoy that maybe you're not doing anymore?

SPEAKER_02 37:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:59

Or what are things that you like to enjoy? Because that's what your self-care is. Like that's your retard. Cool.

SPEAKER_04 38:06

So sometimes mine is making different posters for this podcast. Yes, based on ridiculous things that we could be posing as, like Lord of the Rings. Dude, dude, the 80s, the yeah, the 80s posters, like pose thing.

SPEAKER_02 38:25

Right, but then that is the other piece of it, right? Is like what are some of the like basic things that people could be doing to self-care recharge, whether it's creating art, you know, the fact that you will sometimes share with us like different patterns you've tried out or purse that I made. Did you see that?

SPEAKER_04 38:44

So cool. I brought it in.

SPEAKER_02 38:45

Yeah, getting back to crocheting or sewing, cooking, cooking. Cooking used to be a huge self-care for me. For you, I remember you telling me. Until I had children. See, for me, then I'm like, I have to.

SPEAKER_03 38:59

Yeah, like for me, I don't like like I shouldn't say I don't like doing it, but it's not something where I'm like, oh, this is a recharge. It's relaxing. For me, I'm like, okay, wait, did I put the ingredient? How much of this? What do I have to do? Like, I can't. No, you can't. Nope. I don't. No. Because everything has to be perfect.

SPEAKER_02 39:16

How do you self-care? That's why baking is better for you. Oh, God. Because you have to be precise with measurements on baking than you do with savory dishes. Oh, yeah, I know that.

SPEAKER_03 39:24

Well, I don't know. Do you do for self-care? What do I do for self-care? Yeah. Um, what do I do?

SPEAKER_02 39:33

I know, right? Well, you do do so much more physical activity now. Yeah. That's huge, and that's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 39:40

Yeah, I mean, I walk on my walking pad.

SPEAKER_02 39:42

Yeah. You you're underselling that. I'm sorry. For me, I'm like, Jeebus. I wish that I was getting back into it. Although, well, when it was a little warmer a couple days ago, I'm making sure that after dinner, I tell the boys, get your shoes on. We're going for a walk. They're like, what? I'm like, yes.

SPEAKER_01 40:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:02

We have to.

SPEAKER_03 40:02

So um, yeah, I don't know. I mean, I haven't, I didn't welcome my walking pad at all this week, actually, because I thought about it. And then my my other part of the brain said, you know what? At least you thought about it. That's good enough to me. You know what? That's counted as let's count it.

SPEAKER_02 40:19

Hey, you reframe that situation. I know, right? Sure. At least you were willing to think about it. Yeah. Pat yourself on the back and you can get right back on the couch.

SPEAKER_03 40:30

Watching my favorite shows. Yeah. Like Thursday nights, The Pit.

SPEAKER_04 40:35

Oh. I don't I have not seen the last one yet. I haven't. I'm waiting. I have to see it. Maybe tonight. I haven't.

SPEAKER_03 40:42

You have to see it.

SPEAKER_04 40:42

I know I have to. I'm afraid to see the last one because that means I have none left. I know. Shrinking.

SPEAKER_03 40:48

Loved it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:49

Oh, loved it.

SPEAKER_03 40:50

Love on the Spectrum.

SPEAKER_04 40:52

So nice. Thank you. So wonderful.

SPEAKER_03 40:54

You and I watch very similar shows. I think we do.

SPEAKER_02 40:57

Your shows are on my list.

SPEAKER_03 40:58

I just can't get there yet. I know. But I did start um The Knight of the Seven Kingdoms.

SPEAKER_02 41:03

That's a good one.

SPEAKER_03 41:04

And I finally started Bridgerton.

SPEAKER_02 41:06

Bridgerton.

SPEAKER_04 41:07

Wow. Did you see the fourth one? Which season are you on?

SPEAKER_02 41:11

I just finished season one.

SPEAKER_04 41:12

Oh dear lord.

SPEAKER_02 41:13

I know, but I'm getting there.

SPEAKER_04 41:15

Season four is really good. I think it's one of my favorites. Yeah. So I do. I'm getting there. We're watching Invincible.

SPEAKER_03 41:21

Yes. You were telling me.

SPEAKER_04 41:22

The anime one. Ooh. It's a good. I heard there was a good one on Netflix. I um Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:28

This one is on Prime.

SPEAKER_04 41:29

Yeah. Good anime. Nope. Animation.

SPEAKER_02 41:32

Animation versus anime.

SPEAKER_04 41:34

Yeah. I don't remember what it's called now, though.

SPEAKER_02 41:36

But yeah, no, I like to watch. Watching shows. Watching it. Very important. Being able even being able to just like like talk about them. You know what I mean?

unknown 41:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

Because that's what we did in high school. There was me and two of my friends on Thursday mornings. We would gather together in homeroom and talk about Dawson's Creek. We would sit in the show. I love that show. It was great. We had our Dawson's morning where the three of us will pull our desks together. But it was tough because that was early release day, so it was a shortened homeroom. But we would have to quickly like recap and talk about it.

SPEAKER_03 42:13

I remember when I was in high school, our senior year, um every Monday morning, our first my hour. My first class was AP Bio. And our bio teacher would sit there because a bunch of them watched um X-Files.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:29

There was the first thing we did every Monday morning was sit there and like talk about the show that they, you know, the episode they watched and stuff like that. Um mine was the Wonder Years. That's a good old The Wonder Years. Wait, time out. Do you know? I'm sure you do too. Um when we were back in the day, um, Seatsma would be watching it on God. He used to on the computer or his phone or something during class hours. I'm sure when else it was so funny because I'd walk he would be like if it was like his downtime or like he was in BIS or doing whatever, and he would have it on and he'd be watching it as like Of all shows. Oh my god, that's so funny. Because he loved Winnie. Oh, that's right. I mean, who didn't though? I know she was amazing, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:17

But that's a big thing of just being able to find that downtime. It's almost like disconnect or go into whatever that fantasy place is, right? That's not our own. And chat chat about it.

SPEAKER_03 43:30

Yeah. I'm not gonna lie. I mean, sometimes it is just scrolling on my phone, and then I realize, oh, this is not good. Right. Like I'll do it for a while. And I'm like, okay, now I have to get up and do something else. Because I honestly don't feel better after doing it, which is different, right? Because like after you do like a self care, you should feel better at the end. Yeah. At the end of it, I go, oh my God, how much time did I just waste scrolling on my phone?

SPEAKER_02 43:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:55

So I think it is true when people do say like scrolling on your phone doesn't actually isn't a Good self-care and it doesn't actually make you feel better at the end of it. Because I, yeah, I my usual thought is oh, okay, I just wasted like an hour scrolling on my phone and what did I do?

SPEAKER_02 44:11

Nothing's so yeah, I mean, if you're gonna do it and you're hoping that you're doing it to either a shortened amount of time or something that feels productive as to why you were doing it. Yeah. Yeah. So I uh my little guilty pleasure right now. Oh yes, do tell. Which is well, you guys kind of know that I do this, but um yeah, when I'm on my computer and I have to do like paperwork.

SPEAKER_04 44:34

Skydiving.

SPEAKER_02 44:35

I don't skydive while I do paperwork. Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. ASMR. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:41

Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

Yeah. And I only got into it because I had a little client tell me about it once during COVID.

SPEAKER_01 44:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:49

Because she had like one of those um poppets. And she's like, Yeah, listen to this. And I remember she doing the pop-up against the microphone of the computer. And you're like, and I was like, why am I getting this tingly feeling on the top of my scalp? And she goes, Yeah, it's ASMR. I'm like, what the heck are you talking? What is that? And then I looked it up and I was like, wait, this is a thing. Yeah. And then since then, I mean, that was since like 2021.

SPEAKER_03 45:14

Bernie, you and I also we followed that one woman who would like clean her house, remember? Beautiful like kitchen and like always redoing her like coffee machine that was like hopefully a driven purpose behind wanting to do something really nice.

SPEAKER_02 45:29

I remember we started we watched that when we first got this place. I think so. Because then we got excited, like, oh, then we get to decorate this place. Oh my gosh. I haven't watched her in a long time. I know, I hadn't seen her stuff.

SPEAKER_03 45:40

Yeah, but we do that. You're like, oh, look at how these people clean their house and decorate things.

SPEAKER_02 45:45

That's why people are all over like Marie Kondo and stuff like that. They want to organize. But yeah, I listen to that. That's you know what I I describe it as. I know this is gonna sound weird, but like I describe it as it's a way to calm my brain down because I feel like my brain's on fire. So really, that's the only way I can describe so it's serious self-care of listening to the ASMR. I listen to the ASMR to bring it down because I'm looking at so many numbers and I'm looking at so many different like I have two monitors, I'm going back and forth. So it grounds me. It's like, you know, like back in the day when we would like listen to music in the background while we're doing homework.

SPEAKER_03 46:19

Oh, yeah. That's kind of how we treat it. Yeah. But you also have a nice new Mac computer laptop. Yes, they do. You know, it's kind of nice to play on that. It is. It is figured out new things. Uh screenshots. I about that was my mistake. When you told me I could do that. Yeah. And then we were like, oh great, here we go. Here we go. No, it's all the screenshots.

SPEAKER_02 46:42

I gotta learn how to do all of those things when I send you guys stuff. But it is one of those things where working on the computer with all of those things can feel very burn burning out, right?

SPEAKER_04 46:52

Well, you're staying at a screen too.

SPEAKER_02 46:54

That's oh, and then you have virtual sessions, you know. So I have virtual sessions and then I'm like, Oh yeah, okay, I just finished the session. Now I gotta go look at number. Oh, now I gotta get ready for my next session. Uh, and yeah. So I put that on in between sessions.

SPEAKER_03 47:08

Um, I hate relationship with virtual therapy.

SPEAKER_02 47:13

I know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:15

That's why then I have to try to stay away from screens. Yeah. Because I find myself on screens for like five, six hours during the day. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:22

Your butt must hurt. What? I said your butt must hurt.

SPEAKER_02 47:26

Oh, dude.

SPEAKER_03 47:27

Yes, I need a new chair. You need a standing desk. Oh, that's a standing desk, too. Butt implants. Butt implants.

SPEAKER_02 47:34

Brazilian butt lift. Brazilian buttlifts. Why do you need this? Because I sit down on day and they're it's a tax write-off. Make it happen. Hi, yes, I'm a 1099. I'd like to write off my Brazilian butt lift. Thanks.

SPEAKER_04 47:48

I needed to add extra cushion, you know, so I could like sitting on a really comfy bike seat now.

SPEAKER_02 47:53

Yeah, yeah. I just want that implanted. Those bike shorts. I just fold my skin over the bike shorts and we'll call it a day. Yes. Oh god, I know.

SPEAKER_03 48:04

But that I'm hoping that's this expense.

SPEAKER_02 48:06

Yes. Yeah. It is.

SPEAKER_03 48:09

Did you see the credit card charge on this thing? What happened? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:12

Um, you know, I needed to be comfortable. Big business license. Don't worry about it. Shush knows. Um, but yeah, we'll see. We'll see. I do have to get new furniture, clearly.

SPEAKER_03 48:28

But at any rate, we're yes.

SPEAKER_02 48:31

But I think that that's helpful though, too. Circulation.

SPEAKER_01 48:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:34

Yeah. But continuing to find more self-care. And I think I'm I'm gonna continue to use your method of just reminding myself not to be gonna first or not to assume, though. Right? What did you say? Not to be to give a shit. That too. 100%. Which is funny because you clearly care enough to make sure that you're not assuming what the person can't afford, wants to do, things like that. It's a very mindful way of being able to ask that question. I like it.

SPEAKER_03 49:04

I am empathetic and mindful. You've heard it here, folks. Okay. So don't come find me.

SPEAKER_02 49:11

Yes. You will find Teresa's page on the clinician section. Teresa. At idoncare.com. That's the other website. But um, mic drop moment. Yes, the mic drop moment. Where's your thing? I don't know if people can hear it anymore, but the mic drop moment, I don't know. We'll see if people can hear it. I hope we'll see. Yeah, if you don't hear it, it's an echo. At any rate. So looking at two whole episodes. Yes, which is so cool. Right. Right. What are the biggest either just takeaways, right? Or things that you know, yep, this is just it, and this is the way it's gonna have to be. Keep burning out, folks. Keep burning better.

SPEAKER_04 50:00

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 50:02

I like Teresa's commercial voice. Thank you. Thank you very much. Ooh, I should have my friend do something for us. She was a radio um, she did in high school. We didn't see and she would her event was radio. She has the most amazing radio voice. She does voiceover now, so voiceover works.

SPEAKER_02 50:22

Does she have a face for radio too?

SPEAKER_03 50:24

No, she's actually gorgeous. She's actually an actress. Darn, she's got it all. Got it all. Beautiful Indian girl. Um I know.

SPEAKER_02 50:34

Well-rounded people. What are you gonna do? I know. How about you, Becky? Mic drop moments.

SPEAKER_01 50:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:41

Um, no. Wait, no, just kidding. Yes. The fact that I know everyone feels burnout and everyone tries to figure out what to do with it. And sometimes it's you know, finding things to do are more productive than other things that you can do. Like, you know, some people turn to more maladaptive ways of coping. And just understanding that there are other things to do that you can do out there, whether it and things that are free. You don't have to pay money to go for a walk outside of this nice house. Yeah. Um, I love that.

SPEAKER_02 51:17

Looking at the city. That's like telling kids like I'm bored. Go touch grass.

SPEAKER_04 51:21

Go touch grass.

SPEAKER_02 51:23

No, no, no. But like go outside for a walk. Like, it doesn't mean that you have to connect to screens. It doesn't mean that you have to go buy a new toy. It doesn't mean you have to do X, Y, and Z.

SPEAKER_03 51:33

That's a different generation, yeah. No one goes outside. Like kids, you're like, what? Go outside. What are we gonna do? Well, that's just it.

SPEAKER_02 51:42

We hope that we are that generation that reminds them.

SPEAKER_03 51:45

I'm gonna be like, you know what, Grass isn't gonna be around forever. You better enjoy it now.

SPEAKER_04 51:49

Also, we weren't allowed in the house until the lights came on outside when it was dark out.

SPEAKER_03 51:54

Right? But it was also safer. I'm not gonna safer though.

SPEAKER_04 51:57

Now we know about more stuff now. There were so many serial killers and people out there in the 80s, in the 70s and 80s.

SPEAKER_02 52:05

Remember when most wanted came out though?

SPEAKER_03 52:07

Yeah. But I still feel like my childhood time was still in some ways safer than childhood now.

SPEAKER_02 52:18

It's a different kind of online stuff that you can't escape.

SPEAKER_03 52:27

Because I mean, and I think it's every generation will say because we didn't have cyber predators back then because there was no cyber world.

SPEAKER_04 52:34

No, we just had regular predators.

SPEAKER_02 52:35

Yeah, you just know to stay away from the van.

SPEAKER_04 52:37

Yeah, the van is getting too close.

SPEAKER_03 52:40

Yeah, no candy and don't pet the puppy. Like, no, but I do. I think every generation probably would say the same thing of like, yeah, back in my day, you know, whatever. But um, yeah, anyway. Um, that was a big um. Yeah, I'll be serious this time. Okay, okay. Yes, go ahead. I'm waiting. No, what's your mind drop on? No, we're all in it together. We're all in it. I don't think anyone's ever not felt it. Right. You just know that you know, we're all going through it and we'll figure it out. We figure it out as you go along. You know, sometimes it'll be great, sometimes not so great, but doesn't mean stop figuring it out. It means, you know, keep going.

SPEAKER_02 53:22

Yeah. Yep. I um I guess my mic drop moment is more about um stay aware of yourself, right? When you think that burnout might be encroaching, right? Try to get ahead of the game. I know we're not always that savvy to be ahead of the game because usually it's until you're in it and fully in it that you're like, oh, this sucks.

SPEAKER_03 53:53

I hate this. This comes from the woman who just took on two more things, two more jobs. Like she doesn't have enough. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 54:00

I love I am very aware of my burnout. Oh, yeah? Yeah. Oh good. And then I grabbed the marshmallows to roast on, said burnout. So it's fine.

SPEAKER_03 54:08

Well, I love doing burnout with both of you ladies.

SPEAKER_02 54:11

No, yes. But then go get help. Yeah. That's my last piece. Go get help. Oh, find talk to someone.

SPEAKER_03 54:17

Talk to somebody with. Yeah. Reach out to us at Art Well Therapy Center. Yes. Find Becky and Bernie on our website.

SPEAKER_02 54:24

And all the other fantastic clinicians that have more availability. That is true.

SPEAKER_03 54:28

But not reach out to me. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 54:30

No, but I definitely think that um recognizing that our Well Therapy Center does. Therapy's not scary.

SPEAKER_04 54:37

No.

SPEAKER_02 54:37

No. Groups are not scary. No. These are actually so, so important. So once you kind of put yourself out there and you start the process, wow, what a difference. But if you find me scary, then don't find me. She's not that scary, I promise you.

SPEAKER_04 54:51

She's really not. No.

SPEAKER_02 54:53

But thanks for joining us. Maybe she is.

SPEAKER_04 54:55

I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 54:55

We appreciate you listening again. And hopefully this was another great insight into burnout. Yay.

SPEAKER_04 55:02

Or just funny. Or it was just fun to listen to.

SPEAKER_02 55:05

But join us next time. We don't have a topic just yet for our next episode, but episode seven will be just fabulous.

SPEAKER_03 55:12

Stay tuned. All right. Bye. Bye.