Episode 28 The Academy Awards 2025

Dave & Christopher give their predictions, snubs and analysis of this year's 98th Academy Awards 

Transcript

Analysis of the Academy Awards

SPEAKER_02 0:03

Hello and welcome to Let's Go Get Some Ice Cream. My cousin is Christopher. We worked together for several years at a small town movie theater and ever since a certain level of movies that have seen thousands over the years. We provide unique perspectives on some level of movies everybody's seen and some of the if you're looking for a good movie or two to enjoy, you've come to the right place. Let's get started.

SPEAKER_00 0:31

All right, so let's start the episode.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Let's start it. Okay. So yeah, we're gonna discuss the Academy Awards, which is coming up this Sunday. Uh you can watch it on ABC.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

Wasn't it the 15th, March 15th? March 15th, correct.

SPEAKER_02 0:45

So it'll be on ABC or Hulu. Yeah. It's the first time. It's a century mark coming up, yeah. Um so yeah, we're gonna discuss the Academy Awards. We'll list the we only have, I think, we're doing best picture, the best actor, actress, supporting actor. Supporting actress, actor, director.

SPEAKER_00 1:07

And screenplays, adapted and original. Right. Yeah. Just not gonna do all of the categories, just gonna do the most that we like. Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

It will also be inclusive of you know who we statistically know who's gonna win, who we think should win, and maybe some picks that were overlooked. And maybe some people who shouldn't have been nominated, and we can plug in the people we think should have been nominated.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

Right, right. So we'll we will name names. But that's we don't give a shit. So um I wanted to put out there that as far as uh to be clear, I I mean, I can't speak for you, but the uh the idea of an award show, and I've I have talked to you about this before, the idea of an award show, especially for actors, the A-list actors or whatever you want to call them, I don't like if it went away, I wouldn't give a shit. So I the fact that we're doing this right now is more of a thought experiment, more than it is like, oh, I really care who's gonna win. Right, right. I want to be clear that first of all, awards are subjective. Correct. I mean, there's no I mean, like when you win the Super Bowl, Seattle won because they had more points. That's that's objectively true. Right. But with this, it's like, well, I like that movie better than that movie. Okay, what are you basing that on? Right. We have no idea because the transparent who gets to vote. I see a lot of these people that get to vote, it's like, who are you? Some random actor. It's like, you know, and then you also had the Harvey Weinstein thing back in the day where he was just putting his thumb on the scale, getting Shakespeare in love and all this other stuff that he did. Right. Even though there are other things that probably deserved it more, but he was a big power broker. So my point is um the award shows are all kinds of tainted.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

Well, let me just interject, not to cut you up, but we were talking just a second ago before we started, and I was telling you the problem now, and it's the Academy Awards, everything is so oversaturated. How many awards do you get to finally to before you get to the Academy Awards? Oh right. Right. And yeah, there's people, so whatever the uh expected winner is, he's already won how many, right? So by the time it's anticlimactic, when you finally get to the Academy Awards, the prestigious Academy Award. This is the last one in the Trevor Burrus.

SPEAKER_01 3:20

I mean it starts literally Golden Globes.

SPEAKER_02 3:23

You're talking what uh the Academy Award, the nominee, the most nominated movies usually happen in December, fall. So by January you start the Golden Globes, and then whatever host of other award shows have gone on, and now we get to the ultimate. Right. Like I said, it's again, it's oversaturated. It's just can we just get to better movies being put out? There's such a limited amount of movies, good movies coming out. And that's that's happened. I mean, everyone can blame COVID, but I think you and I have discussed it. It's happened before that. They just have really not released a good enough amount of better movies. Yeah. It's all blockbuster, it's all certain genre, and that's it.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

Yeah. When you think of like uh I saw this thing the other day, and it was talking about movies that are coming up for this year, and I think Spielberg's got a movie coming out, and a few other people, a few other directors, and uh the thing I noticed is that we're talking about all people that are from not recent, like other than the Safties, and maybe they're fairly recent.

SPEAKER_03 4:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

Paul Thomas Anderson's been around for a long time. Yes. Uh Christopher Nolan's been around for a long time. These are all people that so like where are the new big block but big heavy hitter? The fact that we don't have those kind of people, the new on-the-scene directors, producers, movers, and shakers, fresh, you know, never heard of, that says something. That says something when you go, oh, Spielberg's coming out of the movie. Yeah, I'll go see that because yeah, back then he was doing good movies and now You said it a second ago, name recognition, right? Right. Yeah, I just it may or may not be a good movie, but what I'm saying is Steel Spielberg made his bones back then when movies were good, when they were quality pieces of work, and now it's kind of like you haven't had anybody since then. So now we're still going back. It's like when I see these things about kids going, Oh, I I heard Fleawood Mac for the first time. Well, that's so good. It's like yeah, I grew up on that shit. Yeah, that was great. You know, but where is the anything that you guys have done since then that's equal to that? There's nothing. Right.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

Now, like I said, I think um uh people blame COVID. I think what it did is it fast tracked streaming.

SPEAKER_01 5:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

That's the sad part because it took it allowed studios now, they have these smaller films. Well, we know it won't make a lot of money, but they don't know because they don't put it out.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

Right.

SPEAKER_02 5:41

Right. And then so we'll just put in the streaming word safe. We already know we'll get people who subscribe, they got their money coming in regardless. Yeah. Right? So it watered down a lot of what's come out. I don't I like blockbusters, but again, I want more variety, and there's lack of variety today. Right. That's the problem. Yeah. And again, hence when we we're gonna get back on track back to the Oscars, I think that's why you have what the ten nominees, like you said it a second ago. I agree with you. The only reason I think the Academy puts that many is because of they want the show to be watched, right? Oh this guy got nominated, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:21

I mean, really like Black Panther a couple years back, got nominated? Right. Uh Infinity War, something like that? I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 6:28

No, those didn't get nominated for Best Picture.

SPEAKER_00 6:30

I'm just spitballing something, one of the blockbuster like Marvel movies. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_02 6:34

You're right.

SPEAKER_00 6:35

But yeah, as far as I know, I think, oh, they like those movies. Let's let's nominate one of those and then they'll watch this. Um so yeah, I just wanted to put that out for me. Um I agree. Look, I don't have any problem doing with the show, I'm not complaining. Uh this is these are definitely first world problems uh getting to sit around and watch movies. That means you're living a pretty good life or whatever. So I think that's not a complaint. But I will say that watching these movies was a fucking slog. And I that should not have been uh, you know, what I saw, there's uh there's oh I'm not I won't name the movies, but let's just let's just say that I we watched all the nominees for best picture and all the nominees that for best actor. So we watched several movies for this to make sure that we were knowledgeable about them. And I would say I enjoyed maybe 40% of them. I think that's about right. And then not to say that they're bad necessarily, the other one is just like I was telling you before last week about how why do they have to be so goddamn over serious?

SPEAKER_01 7:37

Right.

Best Picture

SPEAKER_00 7:37

You know, it's like you know, when you watch the movies, it's like again, I won't mention any names because they're actually good movies by themselves. Sure. But when you watch them sequentially, it's like it's just like I can't, I can't take this. It's it's too much, it's too heavy. It's overwrought, it's over right, it's just yeah, it's like that's what the academy I guess gravitates to. If something's like really soul searing and like, you know, really sad and tragic, and someone's crying their eyes out and going and doing all the theatrics is like, oh they're best actor right there. And I'm and we're just telling you, I wish you could just be, you know, um more even-handed. And sure, I don't know, something. You know, we were talking about um uh station agent, Bobby Carnavalli's character. Oh, yeah. I related to him. I didn't see Bobby Cannavalli on the screen. I saw a guy that's like Joe. I would hang out with that dude. Joe, right. Oh, wait, this is a fucking movie. Right. That to me is a great acting job, and I would have been nominated, but that's just me.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

So I'm gonna list the best picture nominees. Uh Begomia, F1, Frankenstein, Hamnet, Marty Supreme, One Battle After Another, The Secret Agent, Sentimental Value, Sinners and Train Dreams. Yes. Um, I know that like I told you, F1's in there, and I'm like, it's in my top 20, but I don't I didn't see it as a best picture nominee.

SPEAKER_00 9:06

Can I just say real quick my five? I would have had one battle, Hamnet, Marty Supreme, Train Dreams, Bugonia. Yeah. Other ones don't make it. Yeah. And that's harsh because sentimental value doesn't make it, and that's a good movie. But it's good, but is it it's kind of covered with the Hamnet part. Right. It falls into that kind of category, and Hamnet was better, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 9:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:26

I I can't disagree. That would have been my academy where it's been in those five.

SPEAKER_02 9:29

So those are ten, and I can't really disagree with that, to be honest with what you just picked. I actually would probably agree with that. Yeah. There's nothing that that from what you just said that I would disagree with. Frankenstein maybe. I mean, I love Frankenstein. Yeah. I mean, Guillermo is a great talent. Yeah. But I mean, that would be borderline. I agree with you.

SPEAKER_00 9:49

Right. Um, and you could tell the ones that didn't make the cut for me are like the ones that are more popular. F1, Sinners, um Well, Cinnamon LA didn't make it. Secret Agent. I love that. So I guess my theory isn't quite as uh as advertised as I thought. But F1 and Cinners definitely were big blockbuster movies that is kind of the Academy Awards, I think, reaching out to that bigger market trying to get them to.

SPEAKER_02 10:16

Let me interject real quick. Because it was funny when you you had just like I just watched Songsong Blue and you just watched the Secret Agent. The Secret Agent was the last one. Oh, I had a great nap. I mean, I think I liked it. So you said 40%. I'll go I probably liked 55%. Yeah, that's fair. Yeah. For me.

SPEAKER_00 10:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:38

But I mean, Secret Agent, to me, it was all right. I liked it a little better than you, but I was still I could see where you're coming from. It's like, okay, you hear this, it's nominated. You're thinking, oh, it has to be and then you watch, you're like, it's all right. That's it. Yeah. Like, I mean, even what's his name?

SPEAKER_00 10:56

Wagner Moore. Wagner Moore is uh up for best best actor. And I'm like, why? He's good, but you're looking like literally like I was literally waiting, like, okay, when is he gonna start acting? Because he just he's reacting to stuff. He's just sitting there looking there or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 11:13

When is the best actor gonna show up?

SPEAKER_01 11:15

So I agree.

SPEAKER_02 11:16

I yeah, my you and I, I think, over the years of watching phenomenal movies and performances could do a hell of a lot better job than these clowns.

SPEAKER_00 11:27

Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_02 11:28

Uh but so you're five again were Begonia, Hamnet, Marty Supreme, one battle after another, and train dreams. Yes. So the winner is gonna be, I think, statistically, and is gonna be one battle after another.

SPEAKER_00 11:44

Uh yeah, that was uh they're predicting that uh it'll be one battle after another. Even though Cinners is nominated for like a record 16 nominations, something like that. Right. They're thinking that it's gonna get um it's gonna go home empty-handed with a lot of the big ones.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

It'll win some technical and maybe um music or sound or something.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

Sure. Cinematography, maybe costuming. But Best Picture is probably gonna go one battle because it says here it's one, it's has won already. The Critics Choice, uh, the Golden Globes, BAFTA, Ace, DGA, PGA, and WGA, all these guilds, the technical guilds, it swept them. And it said something like 85% of movies that have done that in the past go on to win the the best picture off scar. If I had to pick, you know, we whittled it down to those five. Would you agree with I'm sorry to interrupt it? Would you agree with that as Best Picture? Would that be your best picture?

SPEAKER_02 12:37

Uh honestly, I mean, of the five, I think that since we condensed it, um I liked one battle after another. It made my top ten, but it wasn't better than I loved Train Dreams. There was something about that movie. Yeah. It was just the cinematography, the even the storyline of it, you know, I know it's about loss. For those people who haven't watched it, you've I'm not giving away too much, but it's it's a quiet film. Train Dreams. Yeah. But it's it it speaks to me. It's the There's something about that story and watching Joel Edgerton his character and what he goes through. You know, it's kind of a simple guy who tries to provide for his family, builds his own home and all that. Right. So for me, if I had to pick it'd be between probably that Hamnet was up there too for me. So that's close. It between those two, probably. I mean, I like Marty Supreme. I thought that was a fun movie. Don't get me wrong. I think it's the Safety, one the one Safety brother did a good job, and it uh I mean I've seen people when you play sports, you see people like Marty Supreme, Timothy Chamelet's character. That cocksure attitude, he's overly zealous and you know, yeah, it's really over the top. But I have seen people like that. So you know. But that's for me. I mean, if I was it would be probably trained dreams. For best picture? Okay. It'd be close. I mean, there's I like, like I said, one bathroom there's a good movie. But is it the deserving of the best picture? I think Paul Thomas Anderson has done better films that should have won. Yeah. But Magnolia and yeah, there's Boogie Nights, even maybe.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

Boogie Nights. I don't know who else nominated that year.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

There will be Blood. Yeah, that's a good one. The Master. Um there's like I said, he's got plenty of films that should have been easily won. But anyway, yeah. That's me. You, Mr.

SPEAKER_00 14:36

I would I would agree with um I'm okay if um one battle wins, because I did like that.

SPEAKER_02 14:41

I can say that too. I'm I'm happy because I'd be happy for Paul.

SPEAKER_00 14:44

I think that's long deserved, but But I will say I will I will agree with you insofar as when I saw Train Dreams, I liked it so much I read the book, which is usually the opposite order of how that usually works, but um it's very close to the book. It's um it's just a like you said, it's just a story of a man's life, but this is set in what what the 1800s-ish. It kind of cut up to the modern age, right? Kind of touches on that a little bit and how he lives his life and um how the world changes around him, but he kind of you know, stays the same or whatever and what his goals are and everything. It's uh beautiful. I mean, first of all, the movie looks amazing. Cinematography that's gotta win for something.

SPEAKER_02 15:24

I mean, that's where I would I think you're right. I think Sinners is gonna edge out, but if I had to pick for cinematography, I mean that that cinematography and it's stellar.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

It's definitely arguably just as good, if not better. Thank you. But um yeah, I would agree with you. So I'm I'm okay if one battle wins, which it looks like it will, but I would have chosen Train Dreams and it was very close. Hamnet would be one B. I I didn't pick that just because I think later on we'll get into that. But um, yeah, I I I'm good with that.

Best Director

SPEAKER_02 15:54

So I'm gonna kind of skip now because I'm gonna since we picked best picture, I think we can go into directing if you want to break that down and director.

SPEAKER_00 16:03

Okay, so the nominees are General Uh Director Chloe Zhao for Hamnet, Josh Safty from Marty Supreme, Paul Thomas Anderson, or PTA as we know him, in the biz.

SPEAKER_03 16:19

That's right, in the biz for one battle after another.

SPEAKER_00 16:22

That's a great movie. Uh how do you say this? Joachim Trier. Yoakum.

SPEAKER_02 16:26

Yoakim Trier. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:28

Sentimental Value and Ryan Kugler for Sinners. Those are the best director nominees, so it's five. Oh, um, real quick, uh, I'm sorry, to go back to Best Picture. I put that um possible snub was the long walk. Yeah. I I mean if you're gonna put in F1 and stuff like that, I would have put in Long Walk.

SPEAKER_02 16:46

For me, a snub would be, like I was told to getting here, would be warfare. Yeah, that too. I think I would have replaced F1 with Warfare. I could have gone with that. I'd be like, okay. You know, because it's really a gru grueling movie, but it's a great movie.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Yeah. I I would almost put Long Walk in instead of begonia. Almost. It's it's really it's close, but Begonia is more of an acting tour de force, I guess. As opposed to a good overall movie. But anyway, um that's just my whole thing. So best director, I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 17:18

I I think I mean you list the nominees. I mean, Joachim Shrer, I might replace with somebody else. Even maybe even Ryan Coogler.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

So he's already in there though. I know. I say I would replace. Oh. No. What with other directors. I think Cynthia's.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

I have to director, what's his name for begonia? I think that's one. Let me get to my list.

SPEAKER_00 17:45

Well, while you're doing that, um I put the snub here would be Alex Garland and Raymond Dosa for Warfare. Yes. They should have um Thank you. I would put them in Cinemature. So directing-wise, I don't think how do you say his name? Joaquin? Yoakum. Yoakum? That seems weird. Um directing-wise, I don't see it in Cinematal Value. I don't see the I see some great acting performances, but I don't see the whole picture.

SPEAKER_02 18:18

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 18:18

So whereas with with Warfare, I see great acting, cinematography, story, the whole nine yards. And this is Mendoza's like a military guy, so he has no business doing a movie this good. So to me, I would have nominated them.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

I think even the director for Train Dreams who got overlooked. Oh, is he that? Yeah, okay. Yeah, you're right. I mean That's a well-directed movie, too. Right.

SPEAKER_02 18:41

Um if you're gonna give it to sentimental value, I think it was just an accident was better than sentimental value. Yeah, I can see that. You know? I mean you were saying the long walk, I mean that another one.

SPEAKER_00 18:52

As far as the directing, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:55

But uh those are what I mean, I'll get to those directors here in a sec, because that's not fair to those directors.

SPEAKER_00 19:03

But what would be your so who would you pick?

SPEAKER_02 19:05

Of the nominees as it now, I mean uh Safety does good, but I'd Chloe Chow with uh Hamnet.

SPEAKER_00 19:15

Yeah, I I would give you that. Yeah. And I I'd agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

But I mean, PTA or Paul Thomas Anderson, I mean, that movie to put together what he's done. I mean, but again, it's looking at his whole body of work. That's what they're really nominating. They're not nominating particularly just for this.

SPEAKER_00 19:29

Well, just for us, we're just talking about merit. If this is where our awards, this would be who just on who's nominated now, I'd have to give it to Polly Chloe for Hamnet.

SPEAKER_02 19:39

I would agree with that. I think Josh would be second. And then Polly Paul for one battle.

SPEAKER_00 19:46

Um yeah, I would agree with that. The prediction prediction is Ryan Kugler for centers, which I don't have any problem with. I mean, it is a good movie. Um yeah, that's all I got for that one. I have like these things, these uh criteria, and then what makes a good director. A good director possesses a clear creative vision, strong leadership to guide a team, and the ability to communicate that vision effectively to actors and crew. Sure. Key traits include adaptability under pressure, decisive decision making, and deep empathy for collaborating with artists to realize a unified story. It's kind of hard to tell any of that shit unless you're there on set. So that's the thing with this again. I going back to what I said at the beginning, this whole thing is like is kind of fougazy. Fugazy. Yeah, so directing you were saying, like, oh yeah, we were on the set and we saw all these five people, and therefore this person is the best. I don't think that's the case. We're just kind of spitballing here, really.

SPEAKER_02 20:46

Clint Bentley was the ri director of uh Train Dreams, and I think he got definitely overlooked. Yeah, I would agree with that. But that's my take.

SPEAKER_00 20:56

So we're both good with Chloe Zhao?

SPEAKER_02 20:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

Okay. Um, best actor? You want to do that one? Yeah, give me a second here.

SPEAKER_02 21:07

Yafar Panahi? I'm butchering your name, sorry. But that's another one I would have picked over.

SPEAKER_00 21:15

Directing? Yeah. And then what so how are you what are you basing that on as far as directing wise? Like what do you see that they did as far as that's better than what someone else did?

SPEAKER_02 21:25

I mean, like you said, it's it's kind of hard because we weren't there. And I just I mean, I know the director can pull out performances, right? Right. I just think that watching Joel Edgerton, his character, I mean, I'm it's part of his job, obviously, as an actor, but a director is kind of like a pep coach and he has to get you in and maybe you're doing something, he goes, uh, how about trying it this way or you know, and I'm thinking with it was just an accident, a lot of those actors and actresses I mean, I haven't seen them and I'm not privy to those kind of all those films.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

Right.

SPEAKER_02 21:59

But just the performance. That were in those films to me were kind of like you said, a director can pull some of that out of you. So Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:08

I mean, the only thing I'm going on when I say what my prediction would be for director is the results, what I see on the screen. If I see something good on the screen, I assume the director has something to do with that.

SPEAKER_02 22:18

That's what I'm basing that on.

SPEAKER_00 22:19

Although I could be wrong. That's why I'm saying it's all fair enough.

Best Actor

SPEAKER_02 22:21

I'm with you. I agree with you. We're on the same page. Yeah. So yes, we're going to go on to Best Actor. Best Actor. And I'll list the nominees. Uh Timothy Chamolet for Marty Supreme.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

Chalamet.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

Chalamet, sorry. Sorry, Timothy.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

He's got enough trouble right now.

SPEAKER_02 22:38

Yeah, I know. Leonardo DiCaprio for one battle for another. Ethan Hawke for Blue Moon.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Michael B. Jordan Sinners and Wagner Moore for The Secret Agent. Yeah. I've read difference now. I've read that there could be an upset because the pick is Timothy Chalamet. Chalamet for Marty Supreme. Okay. They're saying Michael B. Jordan could be the surprise. That's a that's one for the whatever they used to be called something else, and now they call them some other He won the actor award. Yeah, but that was called something else.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

The Screen Guild or something like that.

SPEAKER_02 23:17

Now they've changed it.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

So yeah. And sometimes that's a precursor. So And they got nominated a bunch of times, so 16, yes.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

Um if I had to pick of these nominees, yeah, I'd go with Timothy. How do you pronounce the last name? Shalomet. Chalamet. Um I think Ethan Hawk is good, but he wasn't he liked the performance. I thought it was good. I just didn't think it was stellar. And Michael B. Jordan and Ivan Wagner Moore were both of them were they're good, but are they like great? No. No. I mean, I have I think Jesse Plemens and Begonia got overlooked for his performance.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

That's a good point. That's a good snub, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 24:00

Because I mean, without I mean Emma holds her own, but without Jesse, how do you you can't just he was I know his character is kind of off-putting and he's kind of but he does act.

SPEAKER_00 24:11

But that's good. That's acting. Right. If you feel that way about it, he's doing his job.

SPEAKER_02 24:15

He reminds me of what you know, we see these conspiracy theorists. He f he totally played that perfectly. Yeah. Right. I mean, I think it's a very underrated film.

SPEAKER_00 24:24

I mean that's like you gotta go down there, your mom, and put this antifreeze. It's not antifreeze, though, it's just yellow healing liquid or whatever. He goes there and then does like a fucking idiot. Right.

SPEAKER_02 24:34

Um That's one I would probably uh I think Joel Edgerton's another one who got snubbed.

unknown 24:39

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 24:40

So those are my two that I would pick over those other two. Well, there's three maybe with even Ethan Hawk, but I mean, if I had to replace two, those two definitely would be the one. I mean, even maybe even it might be a stretch, but your boy um Joaquin Phoenix for Eddington. Oh, yeah, I can see that. He was actually pretty good in that. Yeah, he's pretty decent. I mean, even Pedro Pascal for supporting maybe. No, he's done it now. No, no more talking about him. But I mean, that's it. That's what I'm saying. You know, that's because Eddington was decent. I mean, it was cusp.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

It was, you know, my on my It was right there in that kind of um one battle kind of area, kind of you know modern history or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 25:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 25:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:25

So but those are probably ones that I would replace. And then I mean, if I had to pick, I mean, I think Timothy's gonna win. I think I don't I mean Jordan could win, but I think Timothy's more deserving, but just me. Yeah. If I had to pick my own, I would probably go out on a limb. My own pick would be Joel Edgerton for Train Dreams. Okay. It's a subtle but still powerful performance.

SPEAKER_00 25:51

This is best actor run, right? Yes, we're on best actor. I would um Shelamy, I honestly did not get his performance, although I won't say it's a bad performance. It's definitely definitely has some craft to his what he does. Sure. DiCaprio kind of just I feel like he's phoning that one in. It was okay.

SPEAKER_02 26:10

You know, okay, kind of jump down the start. I feel like we've seen that same performance in the last few performances for. Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:17

That's what I mean. Even in an And it's not like it's a because you have this criticism where it's like he did a good thing, but then I saw him do it again. I this is even good. It's just kind of like that's just basic acting. I agree with you. You're just a guy we're in a robe.

SPEAKER_02 26:28

I mean, I feel like I saw some of that also in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

SPEAKER_00 26:33

Right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you're right. So I can't like differentiate between the two characters, like the same dude. And it shouldn't be because this guy's a revolutionary and you know, uh, you know, anarchist or whatever. And it's like he's just so laid back and it's like, eh.

SPEAKER_02 26:47

It goes back then real quick, we're gonna interject. Don't worry. We'll get back to what we're talking about. But this is where actors like DiCaprio's prestige, this is where he needs to kind of get out of that, like you said, the the heavy drama and maybe do a light-hearted comedy. Something where you show you have that acting chops to do more than just that.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

Yeah, I think Revenant was like the top for him. And then ever since then it's been a little bit down or just kind of coasting. Right. And he needs to like go in a different direction.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

Aaron Ross Powell Well, he had set himself up. He set this standard.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

Right.

SPEAKER_02 27:21

Aviatored and whatever departed Revenant and then he reached the zenith or the peak at Revenant. And then ever since then it's still Oh, the one, the Indian one, I forgot.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

Was that Scorsese too?

SPEAKER_02 27:33

Oh, Killers of Flower movie. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 27:35

That was good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:36

A little different, but still similarities.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

Kind of still coasting.

SPEAKER_02 27:40

Right.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

Uh my thing about the Ethan Hawk, I I actually liked his performance. It did I liked it because he was acting. Because he seems like in real life kind of a dick. I don't know the man personally, but that just he's kind of sentiment. And the character was not that way. The character's very awkward and very like uh delusional. So I I I appreciated that.

SPEAKER_03 28:01

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:02

Michael B. Jordan, no, not at all. He's a good I love that dude. He's a great actor, and I'd love to see him, you know, expand on his career or whatever, but this is not the one. This is like uh Denzel getting for training day. Thank you. No. You see Michael Jordan, Michael B. Jordan in The Wire? Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 28:19

Well, when he was a little kid, oh that one movie he played the lawyer, was it just Mercy? I think you're right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

Just Mercy.

SPEAKER_02 28:25

That to me was a better performance.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

Right. This seems more like a wait riding a wave. Like Sinners has got this thing going and everyone's just gonna jump on. It's like, no, no, not really. Wagner Mora, no. What the fuck? I don't I don't even know why that guy's I didn't get it. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

I mean, I was like you. I'm like, okay, I'm I'm strapped in, ready to watch. Oh, this guy's gonna, he's gonna act his ass off. And then you you're in there and you're like, huh. Like I put my hands up like I'm searching because I'm like looking for where is it?

SPEAKER_00 28:57

The guy that played the cop at the beginning was like, that guy's interesting. I was like, but we were just sitting there reacting to him, like so.

SPEAKER_02 29:05

Yeah, that's again, I like I said, Jesse Plemens, Joaquin, and even Joel, all three of those were overlooked.

SPEAKER_00 29:12

How well I'm gonna put in my boy Paul Mell. Now that dude broke my fucking heart watching him. I forgot about that. And I was like, how did this man not get nominated? I did forget that. Because I I know everyone's talking about Jesse Buckingham, yeah, she did great, but he was right there with her. Yeah. And never side by side.

SPEAKER_02 29:29

I totally agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 29:30

No supporting?

SPEAKER_02 29:30

No, I mean, I might change that from Joel to maybe Paul.

SPEAKER_00 29:35

Yeah, that I mean that scene um to be or not to be, where he's crying. It's like I've never seen anybody I've heard that numerous millions of times, but like the the emotion out of it. Like it's someone who wants to commit suicide, yeah, they're sad. It's like I never see that. It's like that guy killed it, and the whole thing I'm seeing with his son, like actor or whatever. Right. Yeah. It's like I can't take it. It's too much. Wow. And that's what she was reacting, not off of all the time, but I'm saying when he's on stage with this the actor playing his son or whatever, she's reacting to that, and that's when people go, Oh, she did such a great job, which she did, but I'm saying she didn't do that out of thin air.

SPEAKER_02 30:14

I'm gonna say this as an interject. Um People who go through mourning, right? Because sometimes you don't know what your significant other, you as obviously the the mother who gave birth and all that. Right. And the man has to be stoic and he has to do things to take care of the family, right? You're wondering, does he even he gets to go work and escape, right? But he doesn't. He holds all that.

SPEAKER_03 30:35

Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:36

And that was his way of showing her that no, it's not as simple. Men grieve in their own way, too.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:41

And that's what that was showing.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

Yeah. I didn't even think that it was necessarily well, I mean, it could have been him showing her, but I just thought he was just really grieving.

SPEAKER_02 30:50

Well, I know.

SPEAKER_00 30:50

Like uh because they were having problems or whatever. She was like, you know, saying you weren't here, whatever, blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_02 30:55

That's my point. Right. And I don't think that he was doing that purposely to show her.

SPEAKER_00 30:58

Right. It was really that was This is how I really feel, and I'm getting it out. Like I You're right, you're absolutely right. Men, especially back, I guess, especially back then, were like, you know, he had to go off and work, and so that's why he wasn't around. What is he supposed to do? Like be there and be poor, and then then you'd be mad at him about that. But um yeah, so he went and did what he had to do, and then she was upset with him, but he felt the loss just as much, if not more so, than she did. And he expressed it through this your very unique way.

SPEAKER_02 31:27

But um, like I said, trust me, you carry more, but you have to hold it in. You can't show um to anybody because you hold all that inside, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:38

Yeah, and it's kind of self-imposed if we're if we're being honest. I mean, there's no real the societal thing is like you're supposed to do that. And I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just saying like it's unfair that men can't show their emotions like because we feel them just as much. Right. So it's not like, oh yeah, I just lost my son, but I have to be cool for I what? You know, that's doesn't that makes no sense. Just doesn't.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

No, no.

SPEAKER_00 31:59

Yeah. Uh that's our that performance like slapped me in the face. Yeah. That's acting to me.

SPEAKER_02 32:07

Now that you said that, yeah, I'll reconsider. Instead of July I would pick Paul. That was like I said, it's very understated, but that that was the, as I tell you, that's the Oscar moment. That's the that was it.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

Yeah. And it wasn't like over the top boo-hoo. It was just like you just feel that. Right. Like, like there's almost like this giving up. Like some part of him has died, and you feel it without him saying it. Right. And it's like, oh, just like too much.

SPEAKER_02 32:32

But it was beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 32:33

Yeah. She was more overt, like, pulled her hair out, and that's great, and whatever. She she went over the top with it. But he was more like, you know, I just got, you know, I just what why I why am I alive anymore? Why my you know, this thing, my heart that was outside of my body is dead now, and what am I? I'm just a ghost now, and that's what he kind of was.

SPEAKER_03 32:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

But anyway, yeah, um, that is a snub. Yes. Totally. The other ones are kind of like, eh, but that is like, how did he not get nominated?

SPEAKER_02 33:02

So it's a slap in the face, yes, you're correct.

SPEAKER_00 33:04

Yeah, so that's an endorsement for Hamnet if you haven't seen it already. I think it's in streaming at this point.

Best Actress

SPEAKER_02 33:09

Yeah, it's beautiful. So I guess we'll go to the best actress now. Best actress, yes.

SPEAKER_00 33:14

And I will be able to do that. So best actress, speaking of Hamnet, Jesse Buckley. Uh who is, by the way, projected to win. It's like it's not even no one saying that anything other than her.

SPEAKER_02 33:29

The real maybe dark horse, not to cut you off. Rose Burn for if I had legs, I'd kick you.

SPEAKER_00 33:34

Yeah. Um, I don't think it's gonna happen. It's just there's too much momentum. As a matter of fact, this is an aside, we watched the bride the other day. Oh, yeah. And I was telling you about why did they release it right now. Someone pointed out that if they would have released it a couple weeks later, after she wins best actor or actress, I should say. Oh, yeah. It's gonna be like, oh, she's in this too. Right. And they're like, why why didn't they do that? And said, because of something's coming up now, it's escaping me. Something's coming up in two weeks, a big movie.

SPEAKER_02 34:01

Project Hail Mary?

SPEAKER_00 34:02

That's probably it, yeah. So they're like, they didn't want to they don't want to compete.

SPEAKER_02 34:05

You could have released the week after, maybe. Because usually movies are good the first weekend and then they die out the second week.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

Yeah. And then also technically they were like, well, sh what if she doesn't win and then we delayed it for nothing? But I don't know, whatever it is. Right. It is what it is. Okay. Uh Rose Byrne is nominated for If I Had Legs, I'd kick you, which I like more than you do, but Yeah. I thought it was good. Yeah. Kate Hudson for Song Sung Blue.

SPEAKER_02 34:26

Boo.

SPEAKER_00 34:27

Sorry, hate. This come on.

SPEAKER_02 34:32

That's the interesting award show where they're booing people. Kate, you're a good-looking woman. I mean, I think you're okay as in talent, but anyway.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

Yeah. If they had booze in the audience, boo. You with me in the back? Who's that? Yeah, be real. Yeah, exactly. Uh this name, Renata Reinsva?

SPEAKER_03 34:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Is that right? For sentimental value. She played the daughter. One of the daughters, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:56

Uh Emma Stone for Bugonia. I'll just put out right now. My snub is the other daughter in Cinematic Value, who I should thought.

SPEAKER_02 35:04

I thought she got nine for best supporting.

SPEAKER_00 35:06

She did, but I thought there could be have they could have two best.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:11

I mean, sh I thought she carried the story just as much as the other sister, if you ask me about it.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

I'm I'm good with the supporting and I'll but going to the actress, I think my snub is uh June Squibb for Eleanor the Great. Yeah. Um that's one. Maybe even Naomi Watts for The Friend. I like I said, Roseburne's good. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to pick on, but Kate Hudson, really? Yeah, no. I mean, why?

SPEAKER_00 35:38

Well, because she plays someone that's uh disabled, and that always will get you an Oscar nomination. We were talking about that before. World War II, slavery, disability, those things will all get you nominations. And uh sorry to be cynical, but that's also true.

SPEAKER_02 35:51

No, you're you're a hundred percent. I mean, I even the young lady from well, that's later. Never mind. But I would June Squibb and El Nor the Great, I think. How do you snub that? I mean, that performance.

SPEAKER_00 36:03

She was really good.

SPEAKER_02 36:04

I mean, even Chase Infinity, I'd give her a a nod because I think for her to hold her own one battle after another, I don't how do you think for best actress though? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

I think she's in there. She she I mean, she's in after they get kind of through the first part of the movie, she's in the majority of the film the rest of the way. And she's holding her own against everybody else. I mean, I get it, that's your job. But you and I know as we've watched movies, sometimes it's hard for these younger actors to do that.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:34

But I think she did.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

Well, it'd be okay as you said, with her being supporting. I don't know about best actor, but this is my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 36:40

I just think June Squibb should have easily got over kidding.

SPEAKER_00 36:43

I agree with that. Uh and I'd even go so far as oh, maybe best picture.

SPEAKER_02 36:49

For Eleanor?

SPEAKER_00 36:51

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

I think it's a very underrated film that should have been seen.

SPEAKER_00 36:55

Yeah. Um I don't know about director for Scarlet, but.

SPEAKER_02 36:59

She did all right. I mean, for a first time. I'm not gonna say, yeah, like you, like, oh my buttons. Right. Uh yeah, it's a really good story. But yeah, June Squib, how do you bypass that? If you're gonna give it to Kate because she did met that criteria, right. And we've seen in the past they've nominated how many elderly people, right? Because they know, oh hey, they might not meet. Well, in June, who's in her 90s, why wouldn't she at least Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, she's not gonna be Jesse, but still.

SPEAKER_00 37:26

I want to give a shout out to Emma Stone. She did a great job. Oh, yeah. Uh yeah, that was a great acting job for her. She continues to impress me, I have to say. I picked her from where she came from. Yeah, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 37:37

I I picked her not from Super Bad, but the movie after. Um Easy A.

SPEAKER_00 37:43

Easy A.

SPEAKER_02 37:44

There was something when I saw with her, I go, that she little light in the eyes or something. There was something I knew she was gonna be something.

SPEAKER_00 37:50

Yeah, that's cool.

SPEAKER_02 37:51

And she proved me right. Thanks, Emily.

SPEAKER_00 37:55

Uh so the prediction for best actress, as I said, is Jesse Buckley.

SPEAKER_02 37:59

Um I think she did a I can't disagree. I I had to pick Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 38:03

Yes. Amazing. A physical performance, which is actually you don't see that too often.

SPEAKER_02 38:08

So yes, I definitely agree with that. Um the other ones, I mean, uh Renata, I think she did a great job playing the older daughter, what she goes through. Right. I mean, I think you and I spoken on certain parental issues and stuff we grew up with. We can kind of identify with that. Yeah. You know. Um, I liked Roseburne. I mean, I get it. Her life was chaos, and she's trying to hold it all together while her significant other is out, and she's again, it kind of goes back to Ham Hamnet, where your husband's out there making his money, trying to hold it all together, and you're here trying to hold on the fort thinking. He doesn't understand, he's out there, you know. Yeah. And so you kind of go crazy, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:50

Right. There's the there's a I guess what I like about her performances there's a range to it. There's, you know, there's uh she kind of plays like that desperation type thing. I I get it. Like I can feel it coming off of her performance as opposed to, you know, um, and some of the other nominees like in. Like Kate Hudson. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, yeah, okay. She lost her leg or whatever, and it's like, I just ruined the movie.

SPEAKER_02 39:18

Just kidding. Yeah, I'm kidding. There's a documentary based on that movie anyway.

SPEAKER_00 39:22

Yeah, there's no spoilers at this point. Fuck you. The awards is fucking Sunday, so like if you haven't seen it, then you shouldn't be listening to this. Right. You got a point.

SPEAKER_02 39:32

But yeah, that's our take.

Best Supporting Actor

SPEAKER_00 39:34

I mean, so uh uh you're a cool Jesse Buckley. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I totally. So you want to go on to the Supporting Actors Yeah, the best supporting actor.

SPEAKER_02 39:45

Here's the nominees.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Boo. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Penicio del Toro for one battle after another, Jacob Bellordi for Frankenstein, Delroy Lindo for Sinners, Sean Penn for one battle after another, and Stellan Skarsgard for Sentimental Value.

SPEAKER_00 40:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:01

The consensus now has changed. It was going to be Stella, and now it's Sean Penn.

SPEAKER_00 40:07

Oh, is it?

SPEAKER_02 40:08

That's what I've read. The percentage has changed.

SPEAKER_00 40:11

I I have Delroy Lindo as the predicted winner. But I've heard Sean Penn too. It's kind of moved around quite a bit.

SPEAKER_02 40:18

Right. Because I haven't heard Delroy actually.

SPEAKER_00 40:21

Because he was at the BAFTAs or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 40:23

Yeah, but BAFTAs don't really predict the anyway, the Academy. But um there's a the snub, I would let's say I think I'm gonna go back to the long walk. If I had to replace I think Stellan Skarsgaard's good, but is he deserving of a nomination? No. I mean Jacob Alordi, I think, did good as Frankenstein, and he played it in a way. I mean he could be possibly excise and play replaced by somebody else too. Um who would that be? I would think Mark Hamill for the long walk, because his character It wasn't over the top. He was and for someone like Mark Hamill, who we always see as Luke Skywalker or something other than He played that character well.

SPEAKER_00 41:05

Yeah, he was uh unrecognizable, frankly.

SPEAKER_02 41:07

Right. I think that was one. I mean, uh maybe even Shuattel Egefor for Eleanor the Great, even though his character is a subtle performance, but it does add to that story as the father.

SPEAKER_00 41:19

Oh yeah. There's something with that.

SPEAKER_02 41:22

Yeah, there's something to that. Those are possibly two I might go with. Um Warfare they had some characters in there that you could have probably picked.

SPEAKER_00 41:30

I was gonna say my snub was DeFaro Wunatai, who played uh Mendo Mendoza's character, yeah, who's the director or the writer.

SPEAKER_02 41:41

He played him. Oh, I think you're right. He did direct too, co-directed with uh Garland.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

Garland. And Garland was like, I said something like I read where he's like halfway through, he's like, This guy's got it. I'm just gonna like he's so good at being instinctual about this craft, I'm just gonna let him do it. Right. And um, I just thought that um DeFaro had a his role in that the as the comms guy, just being, you know, um having to say where their positions are and what's going on, whatever, and then like getting to the end where he has to like be in the action. He has to like get out there and do something in it so you can see the kind of the shock and everything. Just like I could see myself in that kind of space, you know, like you're not ready for that kind of type of stuff. I wasn't ready to watch it, much less be in it. It's a great film. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 42:27

Um the consensus, like I said, I earlier with Sean Penn, but it could change. I mean, you're saying Delroy, I haven't heard Delroy really. I've heard first it was gonna be Stellan and those, but now Stellan's fallen off. Right, then Sean Penn. But um I mean if I had to pick of these, I'd probably go with Sean Penn.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

And you have to remember also there's this incident of the BAFTAs, which people should know about by now, which could also be influencing the Delray Lindo thing. Because the guy whatever had that quote unquote Tourette's or whatever, so then people are they could be like sentiment.

SPEAKER_02 43:01

Right.

SPEAKER_00 43:01

I th I think because like I said, this thing isn't based on merit necessarily, it's based on publicity or what's sure going on in the moment.

SPEAKER_02 43:08

But I guess we'll find out Sunday.

SPEAKER_00 43:10

We'll find out, yeah. Personally, I'm okay with Dillary Linden, just to be clear. I think he of these, I think I would give it to him, frankly. Benicio call he phones it in. Jacob Alordy, get anybody to wear some makeup or whatever. Sean Penn, I just don't buy his performance. It just he seemed like an over-the-top villain. Like it's just not real.

SPEAKER_02 43:35

Kind of. I mean, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 43:36

Those other dudes, like the the guys that he's reporting to, that seemed real. Like the whole um there was one guy that he was like interrogating the kids in the in the high school. I guess he's actual real military. The way he was like talking to them, just like just being kind of condescending, this like, you know, I I'm you know, just psychological games with them. But that's because he that's what he really does. That's I guess he's a real military guy or whatever. That seems more realistic than what Seanman got shot in the face and he's got this fucking Oh yeah. It's like, come on, dude. I don't know. It's whatever.

SPEAKER_02 44:08

I liked it. I mean it worked for me.

SPEAKER_00 44:10

But I mean Yeah, Stell and Skarsgard, I thought that's a good performance, but not I could see that anybody could see anybody doing it. Any actor.

SPEAKER_02 44:17

We have seen it, yeah. I you're not wrong.

SPEAKER_00 44:19

That's so of those, that's why when you start says when you said supporting actor, I said boo. It's like there's nothing that really like, oh yeah, that guy definitely won.

SPEAKER_02 44:28

That's where I think my dark horse would have been Mark Hamill. I would have been okay. Yeah, I could see that. I mean, I'd be okay with whoever. But I mean Delroy, I mean, he's paid his dues. I'm not gonna lie, he's done some really good roles. I did I he was good. I don't think, like I said, stellar. I mean, it's a good movie, but that's just my opinion. Yeah. I don't I think on the whole, it's an entertaining film.

SPEAKER_00 44:49

Yeah, I'm not talking about the film. I'm talking about his performance in the film.

SPEAKER_02 44:52

Yeah, I'm going with that.

SPEAKER_00 44:52

As opposed to these other ones who are like, like I said, meh.

SPEAKER_02 44:58

Like I said, I just think Delroy is part of that.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

He was good, but uh as is in his performance, but I think the overall category is weak, let's put it that way. Yes. Like I said, like I just said, there's no one that goes, oh, that guy. No, you're right. Like with Paul Moscall, that's oh, he should have one.

SPEAKER_02 45:14

Totally agree with you on that. Um So we both you go with Delroy and I go with Sean.

SPEAKER_00 45:21

Okay.

Best Supporting Actress

SPEAKER_02 45:22

And now we're on to best supporting Supporting Hottie.

SPEAKER_00 45:27

Actress. Uh them ho. I'm sorry, I'll cut that out. Why? Supporting actress. Uh okay, so supporting actress. Elf Manning for sentimental value. No. No. I'm sorry. Yes. Oh, good. You agree with me on that. Yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 45:42

Why?

SPEAKER_00 45:42

Why? Uh Inga Ib's daughter Lilius, I hope I'm saying that right. She was right. Sister, right.

SPEAKER_02 45:50

The younger daughter's sister, yes.

SPEAKER_00 45:52

Yeah. Cinema just I thought she had the best line, right, in the movie. That's why I give her a little bit of more credit, I guess. No, no. They both did great, to be clear. But that line about why I was why is our experience of childhood different? She said, because I had you. It's like, oh. It's crushing. Anyway, uh Amy Madigan for Weapons, that's nice. That's nice. Uh you know. She's won some awards already, I think.

SPEAKER_01 46:18

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 46:19

Uh Winmi Masako for Sinners, no. Uh anybody could do that role.

SPEAKER_02 46:24

I like Woman. I mean, she's done good work. I'd like her.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

For that, this role? No, I'm saying in general. Yeah, no, she's a great actress, yeah. But this, no. Tiana Taylor, one battle, no. I'm sorry, I shouldn't have put the commentary in anything. Laughter. I shouldn't have put the commentary. Let me read that. I'll cut all that out. No, we'll leave it in. That's good. Supporting actress. Elle Fanning for Sentimental Value. Inga Ibstudd or Liliath for sentimental value as well. Uh Amy Madigan for Weapons. Winmi Masako for Sinners, and Tiana Taylor for one battle after another. Those are the nominees.

SPEAKER_02 46:56

I mean this one's all over the place. I know Tiana was the their front runner originally. I know she's dropped down now.

SPEAKER_00 47:04

Let's see. We've got uh I think they're saying now it might be. Amy Madigan, because she already won at least one award I know of. One or two.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

I know she recently upped her auntie, so to speak.

SPEAKER_00 47:16

She did a good job. No, no, she did. She's in that movie. I think it's it could also be a little bit of let's get her one because she's been around a while. Could a little bit of that, maybe?

SPEAKER_02 47:24

Aaron Powell Maybe, but I think she did do a great job in the movie.

SPEAKER_00 47:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:28

El Fanning, no. Automatically, why is she even in that category? I mean, the movie in a whole, but now you're gonna throw her in?

SPEAKER_00 47:35

Yeah. I didn't see anything from her that was like the same thing as you were saying about Wagner Murray. I'm like, okay, let's go. But what am I gonna see here?

SPEAKER_02 47:41

It's like she played I mean, she's playing an actress, almost playing herself. Right. Like feeling out of out of her element, right? Why do you want me? And it's like, and I'm like, yeah, why do why are you why are you picking her? So um, I mean, for me, I I had two of the young actress in Marty Supreme, Odessa Azeon.

SPEAKER_00 48:02

Okay. As the They played like the girl he got pregnant?

SPEAKER_02 48:05

Well, he well, he didn't, but he thought he did. Or he thought he did, yeah, whatever. I think she held her on. I think she did it. She was I thought I could see that definitely over L.

SPEAKER_00 48:14

I have uh Miriam Afshari from It was just an accident, the photographer lady. The photographer, like when he uh kidnapped that one uh uh soldier dude or whatever, they had him in the back of his van. The first lady he went to, the photographer who had her hair covered. Oh, okay. I had her a supporting actress. I think she didn't know what movie is that again? Uh it was just an accident. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:37

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:38

Um but again, the same thing with supporting actor, none of these really jump out at me other than um Inga and maybe Amy Madigan.

SPEAKER_02 48:47

Those two. Um, I mean I'll give another one. Uh Aaron Kellyman for Eleanor the Great, the daughter that interviewed. Oh, right, yeah. I think she did a good job. Yeah. I mean, better than Al.

unknown 48:57

Who?

SPEAKER_02 48:58

Oh, yeah, definitely. I'm just saying I said who. Who? It's like an Al. Um I think if I had to pick out of all those, Inga would definitely be it. I agree totally. She held her own with Renata. They were both right there.

SPEAKER_01 49:15

Right.

SPEAKER_02 49:15

I mean, I'm not disagreeing with you that they could both be nominated technically for best actress.

SPEAKER_00 49:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 49:20

But Inga definitely is the front runner and should be the winner, but she's not. She just like skipped over, like she didn't even happen.

SPEAKER_00 49:27

Yeah. But and that shouldn't happen, really, because she was I guess technically the other sister was more the subject, like the because the father wanted her in the play. Right. And she was the daughter that was like, I I'm out of this, I have my son, uh, you guys do what you need to do. But still, it's like uh the what what I was thinking was um we just did um Midnight Cowboy, and both of those gentlemen were best actor. Right. They wasn't like, well, Dustin Hoffman's this established guy, therefore he should be supporting. They both got best actor noms.

SPEAKER_02 49:57

They didn't win, but no, but I think it's a lot of people. It's a it's a crapshoot. I mean, I know Amy's right now the front runner. I mean, Tiana could pull it off again from the I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 50:09

Some rumblings, yeah. And one battle, I mean it's gonna, you know, that's the way typically it goes. Like a movie or you know, kind of runs the table, right?

SPEAKER_02 50:17

Could be a good idea.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

Each year or sometimes it happens like that. Um if if one battle starts to win a bunch of stuff and Sean Penn wins and Paul Thomas Anderson wins and it wins best picture, sure.

SPEAKER_02 50:29

Um but yeah, I I agree with you. This those latter two, the supporting were kind of except for Inga. I think that's kind of uh one that they're really overlooking.

SPEAKER_01 50:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 50:40

Uh I don't even know why she's not even in the odds, because I agree with you.

Best Adapted Screenplay

SPEAKER_00 50:46

But other than that, we're on top of the So the last one's they have our best writing, original and adapted.

SPEAKER_02 50:52

I'll go with adapted first. So the adapted screenplays are Begonia, screenplay by William Tracy, Frankenstein, written for the screen by Guillermo del Toro, Hamnet, screenplay by Chloe Chow and Maggie O'Farrell, One Battle After Another, written by Paul Thomas Anderson, and Train Dreams, written by Clinton Bentley and Gregor, Kedar, I'm guessing but yeah, those are the five nominees. I don't I mean, as far as this one, um I'm gonna guess that Paul Thomas Anderson is probably and I is probably the front runner.

SPEAKER_00 51:31

Yeah, one battle is uh projected to win for the best adapted screenplays from um Thomas Pynchon novel.

SPEAKER_02 51:38

If I had to pick, I mean I think Paul's do, but not like this. I would have to probably go with Chloe and Maggie for Hamnet. I mean, I think that the way it's written, I know they probably took some liberties, but to t to take it from the written source and to be able to put it on the screen, I think that speaks volumes. And it's a phenomenal film. Yeah. That's that's that'd be my pick. Um I don't really have anything other to add. I think the nominees are I'd take those nominees.

SPEAKER_00 52:14

Yeah, I think with adapted screenplay, you just want to like I guess the the trick is to bring something to the original source material that can make it filmable and makes it a good cinematic, right? Movie. And for that, I would say that um I put in a snub would be The Long Walk with JT Mulner because people don't do Stephen King very well. And uh this is the one of the few Stephen King movies that I've seen that's actually really good, other than like It and Shaw Shank. Shaw Shank, right, right. So considering how many he's done.

SPEAKER_02 52:46

I guess Misery, maybe? And in Dolores Claiborne, which is actually underrated. That was a great film. But anyway, to your point, yes.

SPEAKER_00 52:54

I also put down Warfare too. It's uh true story, so it's an adapted screenplay. Yeah, that's Garland and Rain Mendoza.

SPEAKER_02 53:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:02

Um I I'm with you. I've been like uh it this is one of those things where you need to be there in the room, and I don't know any of these people, so I I can just say that Frankenstein uh didn't feel quite close enough to the book to me. Although maybe to make it a movie you have to kind of take liberties with it or whatever. So I I can't say. I I'd be fine with any of these winning, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_02 53:27

Like I said, I think my edge would be probably Hamnet. Just like I said, I think to make it come to life in the way they did. Yeah, I gotta give them props for that.

SPEAKER_00 53:37

That's fair. Maggie Ferrill. I wish I would have known that was a book. I would have read that book.

SPEAKER_02 53:40

I didn't notice that till Yeah, I read it at the end when it was like, oh, it's based on it. So that was kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 53:45

Because Train Dreams was like big. It was like it was uh Dennis Johnson, and I was like, oh shit, and I just went by Kindle and got it and Kindle. Short story. What? You don't get the ah I know. Don't tell anybody.

SPEAKER_02 53:58

Don't tell anybody. So you're good with any of them. You don't have any.

Best Original Screenplay

SPEAKER_00 54:03

Yeah, yeah. Okay. Prediction, what did I say was uh one battle, it's probably a win, so whatever. Good for them. Good for you, Paul Tana Sanderson. Take two awards, um that's right.

SPEAKER_02 54:13

So on to Best Writing Original Screenplay.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

Uh the nominees are Blue Moon. Is that Robert Kaplow?

SPEAKER_02 54:22

Yeah, Kaplow.

SPEAKER_00 54:23

It was just an accident by Jafar Panahi. Panahi, yeah. Panahee, maybe. Uh Marty Supreme by Ronald Bronstein and Josh Safty. Sentimental Value, SQL Vote, and Joaquin. Is that it? Yoke.

SPEAKER_02 54:38

Joaquin, you could say that.

SPEAKER_00 54:40

Trier. And Sinners by Ryan Kugler. I have that Snub was Weapons by Zach Krieger.

SPEAKER_02 54:46

Yeah, that's one.

SPEAKER_00 54:47

And that's all I really had as far as Snubs. The prediction is Sinners, yeah, by Ryan Kugler. And I'd be okay with that, frankly.

SPEAKER_02 54:54

Yeah. I mean, it's original. I give him that.

SPEAKER_00 54:56

Yeah, it is an original uh idea.

SPEAKER_02 54:59

Yeah. I I agree with it. Maybe I don't know if Eleanor the Great would be one. But I mean I and yeah, maybe. Other than that, no, I'll go I'll go with that.

SPEAKER_03 55:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:11

I don't really have a lot to add to the original. I think yeah, I'm okay with Ryan. I mean, that's an original piece. I mean, for what it was, it's entertaining.

SPEAKER_00 55:19

Yeah, it's an original idea. I mean, I like the symbolism. Um I'm just trying to think of these other ones. Blue Moon. It's it's hard to believe that some of these, like Marty Supreme feels like it's a based on a true story, but I guess it's not.

SPEAKER_02 55:31

I thought it was almost, but I guess yeah, he's so specific. It's like you made this up?

SPEAKER_00 55:36

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 55:37

Yeah. I mean, I'm sure that's based on some kind of truth, but yeah.

"Closing remarks"

SPEAKER_00 55:42

But it's not like a real person that was, you know, playing table tennis or in the whatever the 30s or 40s or whatever that was taking place. Yes, that's all that's all for uh the categories.

SPEAKER_02 55:56

Yeah, like we said, next week we'll go over what we watched. I mean, it's gonna be a I can't lie, I don't get the thrill of watching the Academy Awards. I don't think I've done that in years now, because it's just not fun anymore. Yeah, was it ever though? I used I mean, for me as a kid growing up, sure. I mean, I missed like Billy Crystal, some of them, but over the years, it's yeah, I agree with you.

SPEAKER_00 56:21

Yeah, I remember like um as far as the award shows goes, and I go back to the beginning of this, that's why I put that in what I said about award shows. Um you know, uh I'm a big music person, obviously, so the Grammys is a thing, or also the American Music Awards. And even for me being a music person, it's like I somewhere along the line when I got to be, you know, late teens-ish or whatever, I was like, oh, this is not this this is music that's good, and this is what they're awarding. So uh I don't care for this very much, and it just never got better over the years. It just got the gulf got wider to that whole Jethro Toll winning for best hard rock or whatever, or Metallica. It's like you should just like shut down the business at that point. You're just terrible at what you're doing. So I think a lot of the word shows are kind of out of touch in that way.

SPEAKER_02 57:09

Oh yeah, I'll totally agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 57:10

And we were talking about one time before is like um when you're uh an A-list actor or actress, you know, you got the fame, you got the fortune, and you need an award too, to like to tell you you're like you did a good job over someone else. It's like like I was telling you, they should get one or the other, but not both. You should if you get an award, you should have to work a day job. You know what I mean? Like if you should be Well, they'll tell you I did. Yeah, millions of years ago. But I mean, they should have to like take time off from their job at 7-Eleven to go to the awards, right? You know, and pick up their stature. Otherwise, you're making all that money. It's like shut the front door. That's the thing with me, is like, and I know maybe you feel this way, you're not articulating it, but I just don't care about these rich people giving each other awards for the back.

SPEAKER_02 57:57

Hey, hi five, you did it.

SPEAKER_00 57:59

I did my job. Now I'm gonna give myself awards. It's like the worst is the Espies. These fucking sports are why? Why you won a fucking championship?

SPEAKER_02 58:07

You gotta um As I get older, yes.

SPEAKER_00 58:10

I mean, to go back to I can't watch any of that shit.

SPEAKER_02 58:13

And that's what I said. I really kind of haphazardly have watched the Academy from a distance. I think last year was really disappointing. I mean, I saw that I was working and I was really not interested in a Nora one for Best Picture. And I was like, really? For why? Yeah, and then they gave it to Mikey, whatever her name was, for best actress over Demi Moore. And again, it kind of goes to what you're saying. It's why I get turned off.

SPEAKER_00 58:37

This is good and this is what they uh award. So it's like the gulf. It's like as long as that gulf is there, I'm not gonna watch.

SPEAKER_02 58:44

I just yeah, I I know now because I think I'm a better judge compared to them.

SPEAKER_00 58:50

Right. I mean, again, it's it's subjective because it's but it's not just you because the viewership's been falling for a while, too. So it's a lot of people feel like it's lacking something.

SPEAKER_02 59:00

Well, that's what's funny. I'm gonna hit on this as you said that. They think by going on YouTube in whatever year that's gonna magically make everyone. I'm like, people aren't gonna watch it. If they don't watch it now, going to YouTube and what the next three years is gonna oh no.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

Right, right.

SPEAKER_02 59:15

Just get a clue. No one cares.

SPEAKER_00 59:17

Yeah. Get better or something, or be more transparent about what your criteria is. Right.

SPEAKER_02 59:23

I mean, again, it goes to what you said when we started, it's very subjective. You and me, I mean, we joke, but I do think we are a better uh what do you call it, barometer of what should be picked. Right.

SPEAKER_00 59:35

I mean, because we're not we don't have people getting stribes or whatever and shit like that to vote for.

SPEAKER_02 59:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 59:47

You care about the art form.

SPEAKER_02 59:48

If you're that great, prove it to me.

SPEAKER_00 59:50

Right. Right. It shouldn't just be the basic just doing your job. I don't get an award for doing my job, so why should you?

SPEAKER_02 59:58

I'm gonna go back, I'm gonna piggyback off what you said. Um, and I can't disagree with what you were saying about you're a multimillionaire, you've made all this. What is this one little gold statue gonna mean for you, really? Right. Is it gonna change your life? Is it gonna all of a sudden now you go from like let's say Adam Sandler, right? I mean, I love and he's done some good stuff. But is that gold statue gonna really change his livelihood? Is it gonna make him all of a sudden No?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:22

Yeah, he's just keep doing good work.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:25

He's late 50s. Does he that prestige is not gonna change him from anything?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:30

Yeah. So oh now I can get roles.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:32

Like he gets roles all the time and you're still the fuck you want to do. You're still worth over hundreds of millions of people. Yeah, he doesn't need it. So I agree with you. I mean, it's like Tom Cruise. Yeah, why? I mean, maybe when they were first starting out, and great. But now that you've I I can't disagree with that. I used, you know, in my head sometimes I'd be like, but then when I think about it rationally, I'm like, no, he's right. What's the difference?

SPEAKER_00 1:00:55

Yeah. And I don't mean to be a hater about it, but I'm just saying I can't I can't work up any passion to see these people get awards to give them each other awards because they vote for each other. Right. And like I said, there's millions of people out there who do jobs and who are good at their jobs, but they don't necessarily get awards. But if they do, it's it it's more objective and less subjective. You know, it's like if someone is the best salesman in their corporation or that's a clear thing you can say, oh, that guy sold a lot of shit. So let's give him a little watch or whatever, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:27

Well, that's more tangent.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:28

You can see that right, as opposed to like you know, I'm an employee of the month, so let's I'll bribe everybody to vote for me.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:34

It's like And that does happen, but yeah, fair enough. That's a good point. Um Yeah, this like I said, there's I don't think there's anything they can do to change. I mean, you might as well make this the choice awards or whatever, right?

SPEAKER_00 1:01:47

Where people vote in the academy because I was gonna say people's choice, at least it's it seems cheesy, but at least it's accurate, right? I guess. Or we're told it's accurate.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:56

Well, I mean, because again, these are their peers, right? But it's again, it's a it's a popularity contest.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:02

Hey, remember me, Chris? Yeah, it could be like I want to work with you and your next movie, so therefore I'll vote for you, you know? Right. And I saw this thing recently, and I was gonna actually maybe put it in the artwork for the show notes, but it was a little meme and it said something like um is a headline that says um Academy voters are now required to watch every movie. And someone answered, like commented, like they weren't already in all caps. Like, you know, they weren't all Yeah, that seems like you know awarded 101. That's pretty basic. But recently now it's gonna be required that they watch every movie.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:36

It was supposed to be. And one of them admitted they have that they still don't?

SPEAKER_00 1:02:40

Yeah, of course not. So it's just like there you go. It's like it's that's just all this whole thing's irrelevant now.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:44

And it and real quick before we finish up, yeah. There was one more thing where someone admitted the reason they didn't vote it higher is because oh, it wasn't as popular. Even these academy members, these people who vote on it, are agreeing that, oh, well, I I rated it down here because it's not Again, it's supposed to be objectively your opinion, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:04

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:05

It's subjective, I get it, but objectively you're supposed to watch this film and base it on that.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:09

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:09

But you're going, oh, well, it wasn't F1 or it wasn't, so I rated it.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:12

Well they that person over there gave it this while it'll affect me.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:15

So now you're you're you're part of the sheep sheeple, you're gonna follow the crowd and not for yourself.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:21

Yeah. Again, that's why I say you and I should be more inclusive in this because we're we're more objective than Well, on that note, we did put in our picks for each of these categories. So technically that's kind of like our version of the award show. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:36

Um, if we were to if we picked the Academy Awards. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:41

Right. They probably would just be just these eight awards, probably.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:44

Yeah. No, but maybe maybe sound. Maybe cinematography too.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:48

Cinematography. Yeah, you're right. Cinematography. And yeah. Everyone like if anybody who's listening is like, what about so-and-so? What about so?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:55

I think and I think you'll agree.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:57

Costuming and all that stuff. It's great.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:59

It's great, but I think those are the what everyone goes to to watch for is what we just picked. Right. Maybe cinematography is the one that we go to. The big ones, yeah. Right. Sound, yeah, I'll give you sound, because that does add to the film.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:10

Aaron Powell It's kind of hard to say though, because F1 had great sound, but then so did all the every sounds great everywhere. It's like you're well. If anything is too loud, is what I've heard.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:23

Sometimes it can be, yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:25

Yeah. So well, that's it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:28

That's our show. And uh next week we'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:31

I want to get back to some less dour movies. So some comedies up in here.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:36

Okay, so when we get back from next week, we'll we'll hit some more comedy.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:40

That's right. Oh, yeah. That's a classic. I don't know, we'll pick something, but we will something a little less serious. Yes. Lighten it up here a bit.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:48

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:49

All right, well, that's it. We're out.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:51

That's it.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:53

That's a wrap for today's movie reviews. Thanks for listening. Remember, if you like what you've heard, make sure you like, subscribe, and rate our show. And then let's go get some ice cream.