Episode 38 Sing Street and School of Rock

Dave & Christopher review "Sing Street"-- a 2016 coming-of-age musical comedy/drama written and directed by John Carney and starring Lucy Boynton, Maria Doyle Kennedy, Aidan Gillen, Jack Reynor, Kelly Thornton and Ferdia Walsh-Peelo

Dave & Christopher also review "School of Rock," a 2003 comedy directed by Richard Linklater and starring Jack Black, Joan Cusack, Mike White and Sarah Silverman

"Drive It Like You Stole It" © writer: Gary Clark; performed by Sing Street

"School of Rock (Teachers Pet)" ©writers Mike White, Samuel Buonaugurio;  performed by Jack Black & The School of Rock

"Ride Captain Ride "© writers: Mike Pinera, Frank "Skip" Konte  performed by Blues Image

Transcript

Sing Street

SPEAKER_03 0:04

Welcome to the let's go get some microphones. We've worked together for several years at a small title movie theater and ever since a short movies that have seen thousands over the years. We provide unique perspectives on some welcome movies everybody's seen, and some you might have, but sure. If you're looking for a good movie or two to enjoy, you've come to the right place. Let's get started. For this week, I picked uh Sing Street, which came out in 2016.

SPEAKER_00 0:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 0:39

And it states here is the little synopsis a coming of age musical comedy drama film written and directed by John Carney. From a story by Carney and Simon Carmody, starring Lucy Boynton, Marie Doyle Kennedy, Aidan Gilm Gillian, Argeon, Jack Rayner, Kelly Thornton, and Freda Walsh Palo or Pelo. But it's set during the 1980s where the cast, the uh I'm trying to think of Freda's name, Connor, uh 15-year-old boy, lives in a house that's really kind of dysfunctional, basically.

SPEAKER_00 1:17

I think they're pretty normal.

SPEAKER_03 1:18

Well, they're going through a divorce, and as a kid growing up, I mean I can kind of relate growing up.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

Um I guess it's a little sad to say that going through divorce is normal, but that's the way I see it. I mean, all my friends were divorced. It wasn't like beaten or like you know forced into prostitution. It was like his parents just didn't get along. And they might have been a little poor or no, or yeah, because the dad lost his job. That's right, yeah. They weren't poor, but they had to cut down because of the Well, that was during that time, especially in that area.

SPEAKER_03 1:50

Right. So in the British Isle, I think they were going through some um economic strife over there. Connor lives with his parents, his brother and sister, older brother who he idolizes, um, it's his Brendan, who went to college but dropped out, and he's basically no offense to to Brendan, but he's kind of a bum. I mean, he hangs out at the house. What does he really do? Yeah. I mean, he makes commentary about the parents.

SPEAKER_00 2:15

It hurts my feelings. I like don't get me wrong. I did after school. Don't get me wrong. That's how I met you.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

I'm I well, what I'm saying is you and I had jobs. I'm just saying Brendan. Yeah, I guess. I'm not trying to pick on poor Brendan.

SPEAKER_00 2:28

I like Brendan movie theater. I like Brendan's because he infuses He's directionless, maybe. That's that's a bit of a yeah, there you go. He's not like I don't think he's like a loser.

SPEAKER_03 2:37

He's like sorry, Brendan.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

From my understanding, and I didn't remember if I saw this in the movie or not. I that's why I wanted to watch it again.

SPEAKER_03 2:44

I think you and I saw it, but yes.

SPEAKER_00 2:46

No, no, no. I mean, yes, we saw it in the theater, which is thank you for for that, because hanging out with you, I wouldn't I w I saw it, but if I wasn't, I don't think I'd even know about this because I I as far as I know, I don't think it was widely released at first.

SPEAKER_03 3:00

I remember you and I, we'd go to the movies and the trailers, right? Right. And um I knew this movie because of John Carney, who I really like, and we it's funny that song that was playing from that movie is first right. I saw once, I remember all the hoopla over that. Right. And the second movie was Beginning. Begin again, yes, which was phenomenal. Yes. And then he I saw this, just because of his name, I go, I have to see that. Right. And the trailers selling it as 80s, because we grew up in that era.

SPEAKER_00 3:31

Right. I guess I just don't at the time I don't remember if this got the big whatever you would say, the big typical movie blockbuster push. As I recall, it was more like that's kind of more an independent type, and that's the thing where people automatically tune it out and go, Well, um Yeah, to answer because I'm I don't want those fans, I don't want to learn about Ireland or you know.

SPEAKER_03 3:49

Right. So And that's what I'm not to be long-winded, but yeah, I didn't get the hype that it should have. Right. I agree with you because that to me, when I saw this movie, I was blown away. Right. It's because I mean it's you and I in that era growing up. I mean, I could relate to Connor.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

You know, I mean I Oh, the m the music and the fashion, yeah, all that.

SPEAKER_03 4:10

Well, even growing up, I had you know, as a teenager, my mom and stepdad, and the way we grew up, there was always strife, right? You felt like you were walking on eggshells. So that thing where you want to get out, right, you know, be just let me get out of the house. Leave it behind, yeah. Right? Let me get out of here just for a little while, a little oasis or peace, just let me get some sanity.

SPEAKER_04 4:31

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03 4:32

And I'm not trying to pick on, you know, I mean, we've all saying it was worse for me than anybody else, but I think it connects because I could relate.

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Yeah, yeah. Me too. I mean, um one of the earlier scenes in the movie, and he'll get to the synopsis in a second, but um, one of the early scenes is the family sitting around the kids watching Duran Duran. I'm like, oh, Duran Ran was the shit back then. It's like they were just from Mars or something. Now you look back at it and say, oh, they were just like an 80s band or whatever. But back then it was like you're you hadn't experienced anything like that. It was just like mind-blowing.

SPEAKER_03 5:06

Weren't they called the New Romantics?

SPEAKER_00 5:07

That was another little dam and like orchestral maneuvers in the dark.

SPEAKER_03 5:12

Well, just because they wore the suits and all that, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:14

They were looking, they were like, oh, well, because they looked like models, right? Right. And the I love the dad. Classic dad all over the world. Look at this guy. Well, then the mom's makeup on, for God's sake.

SPEAKER_03 5:27

I'd have a go at him.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Remember, that's what the mom said. Exactly, exactly. So that's what I mean. It's like across the world, that's all dads are all the same.

SPEAKER_03 5:36

So the plot is a 1985 15-year-old Connor Lawler lives in inner city South Dublin with his parents, Robert and Penny, and two older siblings, Brendan and Anne. Since his parents constantly argue Connor writes music as a way to cope with his troubled home life, due to five due to recent financial difficulties, Robert and Penny announced that Connor will be transferred from his private school to Sing Street, a public Christian brothers' school. That's basically the crux because as we see Connor getting into the where he now was at this school, and now he has to go to this private or public school.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

He has to go to school with the Riffraff, let's put it right. Let's say what it is.

SPEAKER_03 6:13

Right.

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Well, he has to go to the school with the poor kids who don't you can't be a musician because that's gay. So there's like there's immediately he's ostracized.

SPEAKER_03 6:22

And that that's kind of a misnomer though, the way the plot, this little snaps, because it's the the reason he gets in the music really, and because going to Sing Street and he's picked on, like you said, the riff raff, and he's already kind of like, Who's this guy?

SPEAKER_00 6:36

You know, I think there's like a straight up I don't know if that guy is supposed to be a skinhead or like a like as in a race of skinhead, but they don't ever say it, but he's dressed like one. Right. Very much so. Right. And a lot of the kids are.

SPEAKER_03 6:46

But yeah, he I mean, even the brother, the the head of the school tells him, you know, oh, brown shoes, because I can't. He goes, Well, and he tries to explain to him, like, look poor.

SPEAKER_00 6:56

We don't have any money.

SPEAKER_03 6:57

We we didn't know. We just that's what we can afford. Yeah. Well, and he takes the shoes and like, you know, it gives him a warning the first time, the second time it's like takes his shoes and you get them at the end of the day, and it's like walk around with your socks. It's like so uh what I'm saying about the movie is that we see he does get picked on by the looks like a skinhead after he gets basically punched by the punk. Trying to remember what the kid's name is, looking at it real fast. Barry. Um the kid's name's Barry. The skinhead. Well, he's the one little kid that becomes like the manager of the group. Um his name was Darren. The little red-headed kid, yeah. Yeah. He sees as they're walking, they look across the street and there's Lucy Boynton's character who is uh Raf Rafina, right? And he's like, Oh, well, no one talks to her, you know. So Connor gets just out of the blue, just walks over, hey. Yeah. I mean, to have the gumption to even do he's not, you know, he's like, Oh yeah, talks about music videos. He doesn't really know. The reason he knows music is his brother, right? Who he idolizes, you know. And it's kind of sweet and there's charm to that, the brothers. Right. Um, and then he tells, Oh, well, I'm in a band, you know, and we might need a model, or we might need somebody for our video. So can I get your digits? And at first she's reluctant, then she says, Oh, sing me something, you know, the aha. And he's starting to sing, and you know, she goes, Okay, and then she writes her digits, and then he turns around and goes to his new friend, Darren, we need to get a band together. And that's really how that kind of starts.

SPEAKER_00 8:33

That's but don't don't forget the when he turns away after he gets a number and bumps into the car. Oh, yeah. Right. He's Mr. Smooth, and he goes, boom, oh, and she kind of laughs, okay.

SPEAKER_03 8:44

But it means it's a sweet thing, you know?

SPEAKER_00 8:45

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 8:46

I mean, but to have that bravado of a young that reminds me of being that young, you don't you're fearless almost. Yeah. You know, because what's the worst thing she could say? No. Right. Ooh. Right. I mean, but it's so cool that's it's kind of an organic way. You know, I know that's not how all musicians, but he just, like I said, his brother when they're watching that Duran Duran video of the dad, you know, and he's like, he talks about how John Taylor brings that thing with the bass. You know, and it's just really it's nice. And so the beginning of the movie now, he starts to get with him and Darren, find people, and then the Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

So they actually start putting together a band.

SPEAKER_03 9:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 9:24

Which is uh, you know, I I think this because I know that the is it director Carney? He's the director. Yeah. He was in a band called the Frames with a guy that won the Oscar for uh once. Oh, really? Yeah, those two were in a band together.

SPEAKER_03 9:40

That's why he picked them for the movie.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

Uh yeah, and that's what I was saying, just kind of joking around like after once that because the frames were like hot right when the movie came out, and then they just went. Um, but he kept going, and he did, of course, he did begin again and the whole blah blah blah. But um, it's kind of like a love letter to being in a band. Right. Because it is kind of far-fetched if you would start a band just because of a girl, but I mean it's stranger things have happened.

SPEAKER_03 10:03

I'm I'm guaranteeing you know this. I guarantee that's happened, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 10:07

Oh, yeah, oh yeah, definitely. You know, definitely. Uh there's a few bands, and I was thinking back then, uh, this would this have been around U2 starting out?

SPEAKER_03 10:16

Uh U2 was early.

SPEAKER_00 10:18

The legend is that U2 didn't know how to play instruments. They kind of still don't. Sorry. But a ting. Zing. Oh. Uh so I was thinking, oh, that's kind of a nice little parallel. The Irish band who's like scrappy. We're just gonna get together and just we have a a vision or some kind of point of view that we want to get across, but we can't wait to like get as good as these other people. We're just gonna do what we can and see what people think.

SPEAKER_03 10:42

So John Carney, I saw some of the after scenes, you know, after and this movie is kind of autobiographical for him. Yes. Because he said this is his way of infusing himself in the movie, right? So I could say that not saying he started his band, The Frames.

SPEAKER_00 10:59

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 10:59

But there was probably something similar to that. Yeah. And like he said, uh, you know, as Connor, as we see, I'm not gonna get ahead of the movie, but the girl and all that, Renee.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

Yeah, it's kind of him saying being young and having your whole life ahead of you and following your dreams and date, your first crush, or whatever, all that stuff. It's a love letter to that part of his life.

SPEAKER_03 11:19

I love how he infuses music and movies together, they're interwoven so perfectly. Yes. All the movies I've seen, I've loved all his movies. I mean, this is still the top tier of them, but I have enjoyed every one. I have not ever been disappointed by any of his movies.

SPEAKER_00 11:34

Oh, he's got another one coming out with Paul Rudd, right? I gotta see that.

SPEAKER_03 11:37

Power ballad. I definitely, just because, again, Name's track record, yeah. Yeah. My point about what I like about this movie too, you know, we all have escapes, right? Mm-hmm. You love music. I love music. Yeah. I'm not a musician. But what I loved about like my escape when I got away from walking on eggshells was movie. That's always been my escape. It's not just because of escape. I love, love movies. You know this. Right, right. And so I could identify it in that way, right? That was my way of just escaping from home. Yeah. And just going into that movie and just escaping. Let it just take me away.

SPEAKER_00 12:12

Yeah, that's a that's a very good point. Uh, a lot of musicians talk about, like I'm thinking of Springsteen and maybe Melling Camp or whatever, they talk about getting out of the small town and seeing the world. We didn't do that. We grew up in a small town too, but you know, you escaped through movies. You can sit in a movie theater, the lights go out, and you can you're transported somewhere else, and you are there. It's not like I'm kind of there. I it's like you're gone, like for for that two hours, three hours, whatever it is. Yeah, I love it. It's magical.

SPEAKER_03 12:40

Yes, and I still love it, you know, because I love to be just taken away. I mean, yeah, I'm not gonna go back on how there isn't enough good because there isn't content, but right. I can what I love is like I can go home, go in my library and pick out a movie and just get, like you said, transported again. Yeah. But yeah, that's what I did, what I appreciate about that, because it does. We all need that escape, something. Yeah. But going back to the story, as we see what I liked is when Darren and um Connor meet up with Eamon. Eamon is the kid that can play every instrument because his dad's been in a nerd. And I you know who he reminds me of now that you speak of that, he does remind me of the Edge, kind of.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:25

I mean, the look, the way he is, he's but I him and but Connor and Eamon have something. There's something symbiotic between them that they can mesh.

SPEAKER_00 13:33

I forget what Eamon's story is. I know his mom let them play in the house.

SPEAKER_03 13:37

Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

And she kind of um there's something there, and I I don't I I'm not gonna go into that because we don't have time, but there's something about the mom being permissive of like, oh, he's in the music, so I'm gonna get him all because he had all these instruments. Well, they're just a lot of parents wouldn't they wouldn't give you eight instruments, much less nine instruments or whatever it was you had. A drum kit, and like he had an accordion, and he goes, Oh, yeah, I play a couple instruments, the next thing you know they say that montage or him like yeah, playing like a xylophone. And it's so his mom is clearly like maybe she's divorced and she's like trying to feed his this thing that he loves to do just to keep him occupied.

SPEAKER_03 14:12

But he also has another thing, not a fetish, but a love is rabbits for whatever reason. Yeah. But um what I love also in that little infusion of that story, as we see, because they get their bassist, their drummer, and they get the keyboardist, and the way they meet the keyboards is so stupid and funny. The African lady Ingan or Ing Inge, that's his name. Yeah. And he and Darren tries to talk to me and goes, What the fuck's the matter with this guy? I love that. But I love how they all come together. Even the two friends, right? The bassist and the drummer, they see the ad that Connor has put up throughout the school. Yeah. And they go, hey, that might be for us. And that's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 14:52

What I also love is And they all go to that same school, right? Sing Sweeps? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:56

What I also loved is um as we see when they first start out, because they play, what is it? Uh Rio, right? Yeah. And the mom's like terrible. She's like, but when he starts to impart his original music, and then we see her whole change. The and you see them even blossoming because they're right, you know, creating something.

SPEAKER_00 15:17

Right. There uh there's no montage, but I guess the uh implication is that they've been practicing so much that eventually they get to the point where they're good. Oh, yeah. Because at first I think it was just Amen and the singer, right? At first, yes. And then why the mother comes in, she kind of makes this face, like, I'm like, God, these guys are terrible. And the next thing you know, they're all in the room and they're they sound pretty good. They're pretty tight, and she's like, she's kind of dancing or whatever. So there had to be an elapsed time. Sure. You know, right where they're practicing all that, you know, where they're they even when he gives Rafina the demos, right?

SPEAKER_03 15:48

Like this the song. Tape. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 15:50

Make sure that's that's perfected, right? Yeah. But that's old old men like us would know about that.

SPEAKER_03 15:56

Well, then it's they talk about, hey, we're ready for you to make that. Was it something was uh something the model, I'm trying to remember. That the song. But and she, you know, because they're all they pick this, it's like you said, it's the slums or whatever, and they go and they even meet Barry and his dad. What do you you know, some kind of poofs or whatever, and and then I love it. But she comes in, Rafina comes in and goes, Oh, we can put makeup, you can do that. Yeah, and and they make their video, right?

SPEAKER_00 16:25

And their typical boys, I'm not wearing any makeup, you know. But it's it's next thing you know, you see them all made up.

SPEAKER_03 16:31

It's kind of cool. The movie, the way they come together, and even as a song, like you said, as they get better at their songwriting and even playing. Because even at the school, when they play, they sound really good. I mean, even the kids are like it's skeptical at first, all of a sudden they play the fat, they're like, Oh, and they start joining in dancing, and yeah, even the teacher, the one art the his art teacher who you know, because Connor does try to express himself, right? He starts coloring his hair, he puts makeup, and back in our day that would have been looked at but he's just being artistic, you know. And the teacher she's not part of the heritage, so to speak, of the Christian. She just a teacher there. I mean, she might be Christian, but she dresses fairly north, she's not wearing the garb.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Uh Connor's teacher? Yeah. Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:16

The one art uh she's the art teacher.

SPEAKER_00 17:17

Oh, right, right.

SPEAKER_03 17:18

And he's actually pretty decent artist from what we see, the drawings and all that. Right. It's the one um brother Baxter, who's the principal of Sing Street, who has problems, right? Because at one point he gets really harsh with Connor about his look.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

Conforming, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:35

Right.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

You have to have a certain type of color shoes on. That kind of like nitpicky conformity is like just way over the top.

SPEAKER_03 17:42

Right. And it goes back to what I said because that was frowned upon in certain if you looked a certain way, you might have been a certain way, right? Mm-hmm. And that was really frowned upon back then. Right. And especially when you're in a Christian school. Right. Right? I mean, that's like a slap in the face to Christian school. Right. I love like there'd be an argument at Connor's house, right? Yeah. And his brother, he'd go visit his brother and he would tell him about music, and there's even a scene, real quick, where Rafina they kind of hit it off and he drops her off on his bike, and all of a sudden her I guess faux boyfriend or whatever, he's kind of a because he's gonna take her to to London to be a model, right? Right. And as he's dri as the boyfriend or whoever Rafina goes with in the car, because he drives, he's playing Phil Collins, and then Brendan, Connor's brother, goes, No girl can ever be with a man who likes Phil Collins. He said it was Genesis, really. Phil Collins kind of strange, man. He was the man back then. But it was just funny, and it's interesting how the music that he was introduced by his brother, you would see their fashion change, the band themselves, they would all kind of conform to that.

SPEAKER_00 18:51

Right.

SPEAKER_03 18:51

Because like when they were doing the cure, it kind of went that way. Right. You know, Duran Duran, they were he was so it's kind of cool that way.

SPEAKER_00 18:59

But the interesting thing too is that uh one small detail um is there's a scene where I think it's the first video, they're the very first thing they're doing when Rafina first shows up, or she because she's late or whatever, but uh isn't that the one where the the bass player kid like wears a cowboy? Yes. I just had this rant about conformity. That's like the anti-conformity. What he's wearing makes no fucking sense. Cowboy outfit with vampire fangs or whatever he had on and makeup, and it's and they're like, What what do you they're looking at like, what are you doing? He's like, I just felt like wearing it. That's art, right? That's that's I had this thing in my head, I did it, and you have to deal with it now. I just love that. Right. He was being themselves. I think the black kid, he had something too, right? He had like white shit on his face or whatever. Something, right? It was like, I was looking at him like, what is happening? But they were being themselves, true to who they were. That's you knew they're that's a band. I I something's gonna happen over there.

SPEAKER_03 19:54

Well, what I liked is no one really they went at I mean, Darren's one, why are you and he went, okay, whatever, right?

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Right, let's go. And meantime, if I remember correctly, that's the one where what was the bully's name again?

SPEAKER_03 20:05

Amen.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

No, the bully. Oh, Barry. Barry. There's no him and his dad are walking by and he's like, and they're like making fun of whatever, and his dad like Well, he goes, Oh, he says, 'cause he kind of back talked his dad.

SPEAKER_03 20:17

Right. What'd you say?

SPEAKER_00 20:18

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:19

And then Barry's like chicken some because he's, you know, embarrassed.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Oh, it's like, oh, that's how he got that way. You just it didn't the film I just like the filmmaker throws that in, but without being preachy or heavy-handed about it.

SPEAKER_03 20:30

You're just like, oh, that's yeah, and we can uh identify like, oh, it makes sense. We put two and two together.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

Oh his dad's beaten him, now he's gonna be a bully to other kids to whatever. Right.

SPEAKER_03 20:39

It's it perpetuates.

SPEAKER_00 20:40

Explain at the end when they meet up with him. I won't give that away.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

Oh, because it's beautiful. That whole way it comes together.

SPEAKER_00 20:46

It comes back, yeah. That's great work by the the filmmakers.

SPEAKER_03 20:50

There is a point, I mean, that Connor's world gets rocked by his own brother. I'm not gonna ruin it because that has to be seen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

Um, that's what I was gonna say earlier, is that I I read something, and I that's the part I wanted to watch the movie again because I didn't I don't remember seeing it in the movie, but apparently Connor's older brother tried to be in a band. Yes, he explains. Okay. I d I I must have missed that part when I was watching it.

SPEAKER_03 21:11

And I what I take from that, and this isn't gonna ruin anything for anybody, is that there's a jealousy there.

SPEAKER_00 21:17

Almost because Connor between the because the younger brothers having success.

SPEAKER_03 21:22

Right. And it's not he it's not like so overt, but it's the subtleness like I could have done that, right? And but you kept pumping him up to do it, and even he admits he has to admit they're actually pretty good.

SPEAKER_00 21:37

It reminds me of um, and oh god, I can't think of the name of this. It was a uh Oscar contender this last year with the two sisters.

SPEAKER_03 21:45

Oh, sentimental value.

SPEAKER_00 21:46

Sentimental value, right. The whole thing about I my experience is different from yours because I had you. There was kind of a speech, kind of like and you have to watch both movies, I guess to get that reference.

SPEAKER_03 21:56

But that kind of goes to what you're saying with Brendan and Connor.

SPEAKER_00 22:00

Give that speech about I had to deal with my family, but that's why I had to give up to kind of protect you two or whatever. And then I think I think uh the the boy gets it, right? He's like, Oh, I I understand what my brother for the first time I understand the sacrifices he made to get me here. Because he could have just been like a you know a cynical dick and said, Oh, you know, get a good job or get wipe that shit off your hair or whatever. But he's like encouraging him, yeah. Right. You know? So and trying to steer him in the right way musically too, which is nice.

SPEAKER_03 22:31

No, it's a really it's a nice film. I I mean I love the movie. And like I said, so far for Carney, this is the top one for me.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

Yeah, I do like this one more than Begin Again.

SPEAKER_03 22:43

I love Begin Again too, though.

SPEAKER_00 22:44

I have to I have to see once again. I maybe that was pretty good though.

SPEAKER_03 22:47

Oh, I've liked, like I said, I've liked all his movies. I mean, I unlike you, I mean, I think you like Florence, but probably not as much as I do.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

I just think it was a little far-fetched with the um open mic thing. That's I can't. As a musician, I can I can assure you, right? Open mics, there's never more than three people, and they're other musicians. They're not like a uh, you know, a a willing crowd, like, yay, that's so awesome for this lady. No, that's not a thing. But I mean it's a nice wish fulfillment type thing.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

Right. And I guess I that's like I said, I love the escapism of it for me.

SPEAKER_00 23:16

Yeah, because I guess it would have been too far to have her go, oh, I'm just gonna learn guitar, now I'm gonna be famous. That would be way too far, and then have her play like a stadium or something. That would be like, oh, come on. You know, so he kind of parrot it down, but even that is still kind of like, no, I don't think so.

SPEAKER_03 23:33

But I loved like even the little interludes between him and Eamon because like he would be at home scratching down lyrics, and then he'd go, and then Eamon was like, Yeah, let's do it, let's, you know, and they would collaborate. Yeah. It was nice to see that.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

Because I know that's Eamon's a secret weapon, man.

SPEAKER_03 23:48

Oh yeah, he was phenomenal. He's writing songs and let's go to back to the at towards the end where they're playing their at the at the school, right? Yeah. And he's telling them, they're like, We're not playing that, Connor. That's a slow song. You're you know, that's the death, and he goes, and he looks at Eamon, okay, you know, and he's game. And and I mean the song is really beautiful. Yeah. I mean, I get why you wouldn't play it at a school function, but it's death at a at a dance, yeah. But he didn't care. I mean, he's pouring his heart out.

SPEAKER_00 24:16

Right. I'm an artist, I'm gonna do what I want. I feel like doing I think it was probably to Rufina too, right? It is. He except expected her to be there and she wasn't, but he she was gonna be here and I was gonna sing it to her, so I'm let's just do it.

SPEAKER_03 24:29

But yeah, it's it's like I said, it's a beautiful movie. I love the movie. Yeah. I did rate it uh number one for my top twenty that year because I just really loved the movie. It spoke to me. Yeah. And that's why I said anybody that's been in similar situations is not to you know harbor or hang on to that. Just we can all relate. We've all been in families that you just want to get out sometimes, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:52

And you have dysfunction in your house, and is there's scenes where he's literally like, I think the opening scene, right, is where he's playing his guitar and you could hear his mom and dad like off the room. And then he closes the door because and he starts starts getting mad, or you know, he's like he can't concentrate on.

SPEAKER_03 25:08

Well, he starts to copy them. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 25:10

It's like you're ruining this for me. You know, I can't even escape because you guys are like right there. So there is that I think a lot of people can relate to that, you know. What you leaving the music aside, that's more our generation. Sure. Duran Duran Duran and Hall of Notes and stuff like that. But I think every generation can kind of relate to that and whatever new music is.

SPEAKER_03 25:30

You could have put this in the 70s, you could put obviously 80s and 90s, right? Early 2000s, I won't say, but I think what I'm saying is identifiable for many generations. Yeah. You know, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_00 25:41

It's uh evergreen. Every generation wants to like get away from, you know, whatever, discevil or carve their own path or whatever follow their dreams or whatever, you know.

SPEAKER_03 25:50

Right. Uh Frida Walsh, Palo Pelo. No, sorry, no offense, Frida. But he actually is very much a singer in real life. I know they kind of Connor? Yeah. Yeah, okay. I know he downplayed it like he didn't know how to sing, but yeah, he really was. No, okay. So because I'm like, wow, who is this, you know? Um but he did a phenomenal job. He was I mean, the kids, all of them together.

SPEAKER_00 26:19

I would love to see like in real life something like that happen. It I mean, the o the only minor, minor quibble I would have is that this seems to all happen in in the span of less than a school year. So that I kind of like they got that tight in like a couple of months.

SPEAKER_03 26:36

Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

That is a little far-fetched to me, but I just I put that out of my mind just because you're going along with the story, it's so beautiful, right? And we're not even talking about the whole thing with him and Rafina, right? Which is a side thing.

SPEAKER_03 26:46

I could because I kind of want to leave that for people to discover.

SPEAKER_00 26:49

Sure. Yeah, and that's another thing. I'll talk to you about that after. I don't want to give a spoiler.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

Right.

SPEAKER_00 26:54

Um, but yeah, that's the my only minor equible. But I mean, putting that aside, when you're watching them on stage, it's like, God, they're so good. The bass player has a great sound, that they're tight, it's like, oh man, I would love to see a bunch of kids. I I would clap my my ass off for that.

SPEAKER_03 27:09

You just funny, you made me just think as we're talking. I would love to see this is me, I'm not saying, but if visit them later, see if they actually made it.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:18

I would love to see that as a movie, maybe a sequel. That would be kind of cool.

SPEAKER_00 27:21

I mean, to see did Sing Street actually, you know, yeah, because everyone was pushing them that way, you know, and it was the 80s. I mean, yeah. Bands are just coming out of the woodwork left and right, you know, they're getting signed.

SPEAKER_03 27:34

That would be an interesting follow-up to see what happened.

SPEAKER_00 27:37

Yeah. I would. And that's another thing where our generation could maybe relate to it in a way that other generations can't, because back then bands were getting signed. I mean, oh yeah. They weren't even band, they're like duos. A couple guys that get together as a synthesizer, and okay, here's a record deal.

SPEAKER_03 27:50

Well, that's you wonder where the one-hit wonders come from, right? Yeah. I mean, that's true. They would they put together groups.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

I mean Lock of Seagulls, OMD, Tears for Fears, they're still around.

SPEAKER_03 28:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:01

Yeah. They're all like a couple couple dudes that get together, just like Eamon and Connor. Oh, yeah. And they say, Okay, here's a record deal. Put band together, whatever. Yeah. Simple Minds, all of them.

SPEAKER_03 28:11

So I guess we'll wrap it up here, but yeah, beautiful movie. I love the movie. Like I said, it was my number one. I wouldn't change that. I still love this movie. Yeah. Um obviously you can tell in my voice that I love the movie, so it's obviously a thumbs up. I mean, I if you haven't seen this movie, you know, I'm not trying to oversell it, but it is a beautiful story. I think you'll have a good time. Uh it's just fun because like I said, it can take people back when you were young.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

And I know it's a cliche to say, but in this movie, there are kids that in their what, middle school, maybe early high school?

SPEAKER_03 28:45

They're high school. High school, okay. I want to say they're probably like uh maybe sophomore, maybe freshman sophomore, somewhere in that range.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

I I'm sure that this is not in the Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_03 28:55

Connor was 15, so that would be freshman sophomore.

SPEAKER_00 28:59

Freshman sophomore, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:00

I'm sure that the the people that made the movie didn't consider that um people of all ages can follow their dreams. I guess is my point. Right. Takeaway. I I think the larger the takeaway from the movie is that you should follow your dreams and see what happens because that's life.

SPEAKER_05 29:15

Right.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

That is what you do while you're waiting, you know, like John Lennon said or whatever, life is you know what happens when you're making other plans or whatever. Um, you do need to go and do something, follow your dreams, you know. What can it hurt? You know, right. Um beyond kind of like it's framed with kids, but I'm saying anybody can do it of any age, you know.

SPEAKER_03 29:33

Sure.

SPEAKER_00 29:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:35

No, like I said, beautiful story. Love the movie.

SPEAKER_00 29:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 29:38

Highly recommend must see, my opinion.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

Yes, great movie. All right.

SPEAKER_02 29:57

You just can't stand the way that I walked out from the wreckage. I tried to make it so we can do it.

School Of Rock

SPEAKER_00 31:05

Um, okay, so mine mine speaking of uh seeing a bunch of kids play music and kick ass and clapping my ass off, mine was School of Rock. Two thousand three. Um yeah, I I've always loved this movie.

SPEAKER_03 31:20

I think it's like a favorite Jack Black movie.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

I I'd say that's yeah, I would agree with that. Uh Tropic Thunder, was he in that? Yes.

SPEAKER_03 31:29

Cameo, but I mean not a cameo, but he's part of the ensemble, yeah. But I I just love the whole of this movie.

SPEAKER_00 31:36

Yeah. It's uh um a very sweet movie, so we kind of have two movies that kind of have a kind of a positive.

SPEAKER_03 31:42

They're kind of similar, right? They are.

SPEAKER_00 31:45

So anyway, School of Rock came out in 2003. It's comedy directed by Richard Linklater, yeah, who did Slacker. I did not see that movie.

SPEAKER_03 31:53

Days and Confused.

SPEAKER_00 31:54

Did you see Slacker?

SPEAKER_03 31:56

Yeah, it was alright. That was his first movie.

SPEAKER_00 31:57

It's Days and Confused, yeah. Boyhood, which I really liked. Very innovative.

SPEAKER_03 32:02

Yeah, I give him that.

SPEAKER_00 32:03

Um filmed over what, like 15 years or something like that?

SPEAKER_03 32:05

I want to say 12.

SPEAKER_00 32:07

Yeah. 12 years. That's amazing. Yeah. To see this boy grow up from Yeah, it shows. Uh Scanner Darkly, I think we saw that.

SPEAKER_03 32:14

Yeah, that was that's all right.

SPEAKER_00 32:15

Yeah, so it's also written by Mike White. Yeah, who's in the movie? Yeah, who's Ned Schneebly. In the movie plays Ned Schneebly. He's a writer for Rested Development, White Lotus, uh, Nacho Libre, Stefford Wives, 2004.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

Yeah, not very good.

SPEAKER_00 32:32

Yeah, not all winners, but Rested Development and White Lotus, he's gotten Emmy nominations for, so very, very much known for being a uh very talented, obviously, right. Yeah, and it shows in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 32:44

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:44

Uh the film stars Jack Black. Dewey Finn. Uh as Dewey Finn. I mentioned this in one of the other pods that um Jack Black just has his energy as a person.

SPEAKER_03 32:55

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

Where you even though his shtick is kind of like the same thing over and over again, he always pretty much plays the same character. I don't get tired of it. I just every time I see him, I like I love that.

SPEAKER_03 33:06

It's almost addicting to see him. Yeah. Um it's crazy.

SPEAKER_00 33:09

I just heard the other day that I guess they're doing Minecraft 2.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:12

And even though that type of thing, like oh Minecraft 2, Jesus Christ. But I was like, oh, but he's in it so I mean I haven't seen the first one yet. I haven't either, but it's like I I almost give it a Right.

SPEAKER_03 33:22

Because of him, right?

SPEAKER_00 33:23

Exactly. Because who is it?

SPEAKER_03 33:24

Jason Momoa and him and somebody some other younger actors.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

I would just normally think, oh, Blockbuster Schlock. I don't care about that. But he's in it. It's like, oh he could be he could do something, you know. Yeah. Just because of him. We just did Be Kind Rewind a couple weeks back. Amazing in that, amazing in this. Uh speaking of amazing Joan Cusack, who I don't see in a lot of movies, frankly.

SPEAKER_03 33:47

Not anymore. I mean, she was for a while, but yeah, she's kind of 80s, right? And then disappeared, or she did this and she did a few other ones, but yeah, I haven't seen her really since.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

Yeah, that's weird. Yeah. Uh Mike White, of course, plays Nedge Neebly, Dewey's roommate. And then Sarah Silverman plays the girlfriend. Plays the girlfriend, yeah. Uh when I understand Tina Faye auditioned for that role and was close to getting it. Of Sarah Silverman's role? I Sarah Silverman knocks it out of the park, so I think she's I think that's probably fine the way they what they did.

SPEAKER_03 34:19

Oh, yeah. I I'm just trying to picture my head. I mean, I could see Tina. Tina Faye? Yeah, I could I mean, because I guess she could. In Mean Girls when she plays the teacher, there's a similarity. I mean, but because she does have the sarcasm that obviously, but that kind of nagging thing, I guess I don't get from her.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

She can do well.

SPEAKER_03 34:37

I but I I agree with you. I think the casting having Sarah, she did a good thing perfect, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:41

Sarah Silverman has that just kind of shrill, like, oh, just almost like the hand it's like you're right, but just you the way you're saying it, just stop talking.

SPEAKER_03 34:49

It's like the hands on the chalk.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

Yeah. Okay. Because the boys are like working it out, and she's like, and I know she's right, but right. But shut up already. It's just the way she's she's like literally right on Mike White's shoulder. Keep poking.

SPEAKER_03 35:04

I know, I know, tell him. Tell him, I know.

SPEAKER_00 35:07

It's like, oh my god, she's perfect. Yeah. Uh Jack plays Dewey Finn, as we said, a musician who I put he's overzealous in pursuing the shallow aspects of being a rock musician. I'm trying to put that in a way that's uh uh not like he's a bum. That's what you said about the brother the big thing.

SPEAKER_03 35:27

I take that back about Brendan, but earlier, but yes.

SPEAKER_00 35:29

But he kind of is a bum, right?

SPEAKER_03 35:31

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 35:31

Yeah, he's a bum. Uh he he he buys equipment, but he doesn't pay his bills. Oh yeah. He sleeps on his buddy's floor. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 35:41

He's basically just, yeah, he's a leech.

SPEAKER_00 35:44

He's right. He truly is a bum. Uh he doesn't pay his bills, and it's cool with, as he says, I've been leeching off you for years and years, and it's never been. It bothered you. It's never been. Until you got hurt, right? Get rid of her. I love that. Oh my god. And I love Mike White's response. Like, I'll never get another girlfriend, man. Help me out. He's not wrong. Right. He's not gonna get Sirius Silverman again. Right. Uh so Dewey is fired from his band. No vacancy. Uh I don't. This is my I'm gonna bring back my hot take corner. Good. I think I don't think I kinda I would argue this with anybody. They actually get better when they fire him.

unknown 36:28

Right.

SPEAKER_00 36:28

And at the end, well, I can give that away. Anyway, at the end of the movie lists to say I think No Vacancy proves to be a better band than whatever the guy goes. Yes. Negative. Yes. I disagree. As far as like uh technical and okay, like let's take take the movie aspect of it away. If you were in a room and and we're just judging uh battle of bands, quote unquote. We saw a bunch of kids, I mean, oh, that's pretty cool. What a nice gimmick. But that's not first of all, it's not the kids actually playing. It's I it's a band called the Mooney Suzuki. But if they were playing, I'd be like, oh, okay, well, it's a couple bands or whatever. But um I just think that um that No Vacancy, they write that song, what's it, Heal Me or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_08 37:13

Right.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

And it's supposed to be like a parody of like nickelback and the the hair metal. But the guy that wrote it, I I read an interview with him, and he was saying that he's written a bunch of hits for other bands, and he's like, Yeah, it's really hard to write a good song that seems shitty. And I was like, Oh, that's a guess a good point. But you nailed it because it's a good song, but it feels kind of like it's 80s hair metal band, like it's too late. It's just 2003, and hair metal was like would have been 20 years earlier. Whatever. So, and then the guy's got like uh the chest open with the with the spandex with the long hair, so they're just like a band at a time, but I'm just saying, I just that's my hot take, I think.

SPEAKER_03 37:55

They're and to piggyback off your hot take, yes, once because their whole complaint with Dewey, right? Goes to you know, 30 minutes solo. I'm exaggerating.

SPEAKER_00 38:06

And they're terrible, right?

SPEAKER_03 38:08

And it's like we get it, and you said it best. He is overzealous, right? But he doesn't know how to fit in with the band, what they're playing.

SPEAKER_00 38:14

He's the star. Because he literally says when he gets fired, he says, I don't don't take this the wrong way, but your lyrics are lame. It's like, what? You're just gonna say that to this right.

unknown 38:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 38:25

And then he's sitting there and they go, You're fired. And he's but you know what?

SPEAKER_00 38:29

Yeah, I got some stuff written down for you. You know, I I'm gonna take over the band. I mean, being a musician, I know I know a lot of people like that.

SPEAKER_03 38:35

But yeah, you're right. I can't disagree.

SPEAKER_00 38:37

They do get better, they hire the guy with the like you said, open, you know, and I guess I was just uh my hot take part was like in reality, uh I was just thinking of this thing about this whole 250-year concert or whatever where all these bands dropped out. Did you hear about that? Uh it's supposed to be like a commemorating the United States supposed to be happening this summer Millie Vanilli and Young MC and all this. But when you look at these bands, it's like we as a society, not saying we, you and I, but I'm saying we've signed off on all that.

SPEAKER_08 39:07

Right.

SPEAKER_00 39:08

So you can say that No Vacancy is cheesy, but we kind of like cheesy. So I know I do.

SPEAKER_03 39:12

I'm not gonna disagree with that.

SPEAKER_00 39:13

Yeah, okay, there you go. Like new kids in the block. I mean, people say, Oh, that's terrible. Well, someone is buying their records. I'm I hate to break that to you. Right.

SPEAKER_03 39:21

They're they're not not making money because someone doesn't like them, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:25

Right. So uh you know, I think there's this thing where we like to build people up and then tear them down or whatever. Sure. Anyway, um, he's fired from no vacancy. I love the scene. This might be a musician thing, but he's on stage and he tells the sound guy, turn it up. He's in front of his right, I know, right? He's in front of his amp. They're so loud, and he's like, Turn it up now. You can see him miming the word now. It's like it's so funny. It's such a dickish move. Then he jumps off the stage and they don't catch him.

SPEAKER_03 39:55

Right? The the what is that called?

SPEAKER_00 39:57

The stage died, and they go, He jumps on one guy, he's gonna deflect. Ah, it's awesome. Uh anyway, uh Dewey comes home, his roommate uh Mike White, his Ned Sneebly, tells him he needs to get a job. He's probably sleeping, it's probably the afternoon or whatever. He's asleep on the floor.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

Um Patty, Sarah Silverman's um Ned's girlfriend's like it's rent day.

SPEAKER_00 40:24

I think it's like the first of the rent or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 40:27

And he's trying his best to be, you know, get some balls there and stick up because his girlfriend is the one like, hey, you know, do we you need to pay your rent, and if you're not, then you you're gonna have to, you know, leave.

SPEAKER_00 40:40

Oh I don't know, I don't know. He doesn't even say get out, he's like, I don't know, you gotta do something. You can tell he doesn't want to do it. Right. Like if it wasn't for her, he would just it would just be fine. Right.

SPEAKER_03 40:49

And he's like, What is it because of her? And he does it right in front of her. It's their whole little banter amongst them is hard.

SPEAKER_00 40:57

I love it. I love it because it's totally true to guys, it's some guys that I know.

SPEAKER_03 41:00

Right.

SPEAKER_00 41:01

Um, yeah, so uh he tells him he needs to get a job, and uh Ned, I guess, kind of jokingly says, Well, I'll just do what you do. I'll be a temp or whatever he calls me, a sub. He's a sub. He's I'll be a temp, is what he calls it.

SPEAKER_03 41:15

It's not a temp, I'm a sub. Right, I'm a I'm a teacher. I'm bettering society, I'm right.

SPEAKER_00 41:20

He says, You wouldn't make it a day as a teacher, right? Which is ironic because uh, you know, the way the movie plays out.

SPEAKER_03 41:27

Right. He gets a phone.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

Maybe that's his actual calling, who knows? Yeah, maybe he missed it, but um or catches it now, who knows? Um anyway, Dewey poses his Ned to get a job as a sub at a prestigious prep school. Right. Um, was it Horace Green? I think it's what it's called.

SPEAKER_03 41:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

Where he discovers a class of super screen talented kids who he at first wants to use to be his backing band to get revenge on no vacancy for this uh this battle the band thing is coming up, but over the course of the movie he um gets to know them and discovers them as people and discovers that he has a kind of a talent for teaching, even though he's misguided. It he kind of finds he can teach them. As a matter of fact, there's scenes where kids are gravitating to him when he's not working and like you know, coming to him with his their problems and saying how much they love classes and stuff like that. So it's clear like the universe is saying, This is your thing, you know. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03 42:25

No, no, I'm I'm not trying to cut it out. No, go ahead. What I loved about it too is you know, as we see these kids are in a high-end prep school, right? So they're constant pressure, right? Right. As we see Zach, the one of the kids that plays guitar, right? Um his dad one day goes, What is with this music? You gotta do this first, and and they're not l really allowing them to be kids. Right. They're already centered on them being the future, this, this, you know, and when Dewey, or as he plays Ned, comes in, he opens their mind to not just being so narrow-minded and just you know straightforward. Right. There's more to life. You can enjoy, you can do what they want you, but you have to enjoy life. You have to see outside this narrow path. Yeah. Right. And yeah, I think you're right. Dewey sees that he can open minds and they open his mind too. It's a two-way street. It's not just he's you know, they're both helping each other. Yeah, he's realizing these kids are wow, they're amazing, right? They're not just kids, dumb kids, you know, they're actually really amazing kids.

SPEAKER_00 43:33

Right.

SPEAKER_03 43:34

They impart something on each other, which is beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 43:38

Right, definitely. I mean, I I think um their discipline definitely rubs off on him, you know, because he's like one of his first questions is like, when's lunch? I know when he gets hired on or whatever. So he's you know, and he's hung over or whatever, but the kids are like, you know, always ready to go, always ready to learn. So I guess that rubs off on him. But I I think when he sees them in their music class. And their classical music class, and he sees how talented they are.

SPEAKER_03 44:03

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:04

Over the course of the movie, he sees that because the thing of it hit with him is that he's he's a rock star in his head, but you can tell he doesn't really care about actually knowing how to play. Like he's like when even on the stage at the stage earlier in the movie, he's playing this all out of tune or whatever, and he's screaming. He's he's like a poser. That's that's basically what it is. Thank you. Yeah. He's doesn't know how to play, and he just like wants to do the trappings of music. Right. And these kids are like disciplined, just like boom, knocking out this classical stuff, and he kind of like rubs off on him. And it's uh you see at points in the movie where he's like letting them like at first he's like this, you're gonna be got you guys are gonna be my band, and I'm gonna write the music, but then he's like, Oh, hearing them doing stuff, oh look, what's this? What's this you're doing?

SPEAKER_03 44:48

Well, because Zach, right, that writes that song, yeah, right. Because at first he has you know his song, which is basically a stab at no vacancy, right? Well, well, you're no or not, you're not hardcore, hardcore, right?

SPEAKER_00 45:00

The legend and the rent so hardcore.

SPEAKER_03 45:03

Right. So I mean he's getting back at no vacancy. How can you kick me out? And then he's getting back at Patty and all that, right? Yeah. I mean, it's a fun song for what it is. Yeah. But then when Zach goes, he goes, What wait, what is that there?

SPEAKER_00 45:16

Yeah, right. Zach's writing an actual song.

SPEAKER_03 45:19

Right.

SPEAKER_00 45:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

But just the organicness of that, where it all comes the fuses together, is beautiful, right? Right. But I mean, that's my point. The kids are learning music, right? They're not stifled in this black and white, where I'm this is where I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be a center, I'm gonna be this, and yeah, there's more to life.

SPEAKER_00 45:36

What's the the the character, it's Miranda Cosgrove's character's summer summer name. Right. She's like very like robotic little kid, and it's like it's very creepy.

SPEAKER_03 45:45

Regimented, she's regimented, has to be, you know, but that's upbringing, Bryant, right?

SPEAKER_00 45:49

Right. But for a kid that young, it's kind of like, yeah, because he's telling them, like, go to Rhesus, and they're like, What? What's I mean, most kids would be like, Yeah, I'm gone. There'd be a cloud of smoke shaped like kids. They'd be outside, but they're these kids are like we don't know what to do if we're not disciplined. If you're not telling us what to do every second, there's no structure.

SPEAKER_03 46:06

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_00 46:06

Right.

SPEAKER_03 46:07

I need you know, they've been literally bumping their head in the world.

SPEAKER_00 46:09

We're supposed to get grades and blah blah blah. And he's like gold stars.

SPEAKER_03 46:12

Yeah. You know, and so uh yeah, break them out of that mold, like, hey, that's okay to be regimented and structured, but sometimes you gotta you know break the rules, get out a little.

unknown 46:22

Right.

SPEAKER_00 46:22

Explore. Let them be kids, I think it says it in the one way.

SPEAKER_03 46:25

That's what I said, yeah, earlier too. We're both the same, you need to be kids.

SPEAKER_00 46:28

Right, right. They can do all that stuff too, but they can you know, let it be a balance or whatever.

SPEAKER_03 46:33

Thank you. That's the operative version is balance.

SPEAKER_00 46:36

But you're right, that is a good scene with Zach's dad. I forgot what it was exactly he said.

SPEAKER_03 46:39

Well, they were now because they were getting their assignments or something, and giving their CDs, right?

SPEAKER_00 46:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 46:44

And that's kind of beautiful too, because I mean if you've never been exposed to different types of music, right? What I love about the movie as well is because it reminds me what I would love to do is take younger minds who have never seen the movies I've seen, right? Not everything, obviously, but but a lot of movies that people have been maybe not sheltered, but just haven't sought out. Yeah. You could open their mind to stuff, right? And that's what this is too.

SPEAKER_00 47:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:11

Right. It's like I said, it's uh kind of uh symbiotic or it's kind of where they each infuse something for each other. Dewey get something, they get something.

SPEAKER_00 47:22

Right. And it's or it's organic too, because it's not like Dewey assess the kids and says this is what they need. Dewey is just all about having fun all the time. So therefore he just is himself.

SPEAKER_08 47:33

Right.

SPEAKER_00 47:34

But at some point, you know, they grow to figure out this is oh, I'm part of this yin-yang, I'm the fun part, and then your parents are like the discipline, you need to kind of mix them together.

SPEAKER_03 47:44

Like you said, the word balance.

SPEAKER_00 47:46

Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 47:47

Um let's see, so what's funny though, real quick, yeah, is he has to when he mixes with the other teachers, right? Because he's not a teacher at all, he's just dewy. Right. And they're all college educated, and they go, What is your take on this? Well, and he tries to be all sound well, you know. I believe the children are isn't that so no, no, no, right. It's the Whitney Houston, right? Right. It's funny how and yeah, he but the teacher sees not to cut you off, yeah. The teacher sees something because like when um Robert Ty comes in, Lawrence, right? What does he call him? Mr. Robert S. Um he goes, What are you saying? You're cool, and the teacher's like, Oh, you know, the the interaction he's the kids bring that they don't usually get, right?

SPEAKER_00 48:35

I think it was Zach probably that came up to the table. It might have been I like the lesson we had or something like that, and he's like, Oh, cool.

SPEAKER_03 48:42

Right. The teachers are like taking out, like, whoa.

SPEAKER_00 48:45

They're like, Wow. And that's what I mean. It's like you're the universe is telling you you're supposed to be a teacher because teachers don't even teachers don't get that, you know?

SPEAKER_03 48:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:53

So uh you got these kids' attention a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_03 48:56

So But he has to keep up the ruse, right? Even with uh Roz, Joan Q's at the principal, right? Right. And he asked her, she's like, What are these teeth teaching methods when she comes in one day and he has his guitar and I love that, you know, it's he's named some guy.

SPEAKER_00 49:13

He's oh, he's one of the leading leaders. Right? She's like, okay. Right. And she buy she buys the BS, right? But she's like, you know, you need to like the math song, right? Right. Where he gets the math wrong. No, you're wrong.

SPEAKER_03 49:30

I was testing you. It's not yeah, that's so funny. But even not, I'm gonna interject again when he's putting the band together, right? Because he uh Joey Gados was actually uh uh what do you call it? A prodigy of rock music. A guitar player, yeah. Yeah, so he still is technically. Yeah, well, he got himself in trouble, legal. Yeah, but anyway, um I love how he puts the band together. Obviously, we see you know, Robert Ty plays keyboards, um Lawrence, and then uh the one girl. You play the cello, right? Just turn it up, cello, it's the bass. Yeah. Um obviously Freddie, Kevin Clark plays the drum, Spazzy McGee, as he calls him.

SPEAKER_00 50:16

Yeah, he's another one that actually plays drums in real life.

SPEAKER_03 50:19

He got killed in an accident, yeah. It's sad. But I love like all that, even in Miranda or Summer. What am I gonna do? You can be the the manager of we know. And at first he says you can be a groupie, then she goes, one day waiting.

SPEAKER_00 50:33

Yeah. Groupies, well you sleep with the band.

SPEAKER_03 50:37

Well, you know what? I got something better.

SPEAKER_00 50:40

Someone made a point. I was watching this uh little uh featurette on this movie, and they were saying that they give credit to Link Later because even though there's another guy who produced, I can't think of the guy's name, but Link Later is such a big name, I guess they kind of referred to him.

SPEAKER_03 50:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:55

Rudin, I think is his name, maybe Scott Ladder.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

Oh, Scott Rudin, yes, I hear he is.

SPEAKER_00 50:58

But like Linklater was the de facto producer, he's the one that had decided how things would go. Anyway, they're saying you can't find too many 2000s comedies that still hold up right now, as far as like any kind of politically incorrect stuff or whatever. Not that that's a big deal, but I'm just saying, yeah, that that is a good point. I mean, this is this will go on forever. And the only thing they did mention was the thing about groupies, and even that's kind of like because it's little kids, and it's like, okay, whatever. You probably could have come up with a different joke for that, but whatever. It's it's a minor, minor quibble.

SPEAKER_03 51:27

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 51:28

Because I I don't uh overall they're saying this is a great this movie is timeless, it can go any genre, you're not gonna be offended by it at at all because it's just a great story. Let's talk about the kids real quick. I gotta wrap this up. Uh Miranda Cosgrove played Summer. Um afterwards, she starred in Drake and Josh. Well, no, she's iCarly.

SPEAKER_03 51:50

iCarly is where she's really huge.

SPEAKER_00 51:52

Yeah. Uh Joey Gatos played Zach Mooneyham. He's addicted to heroin for a long time after the movie. That's why he got in legal trouble. He was a very accomplished session guitarist before the heroin. Yeah. And then the heroin kind of derailed his career a little bit. It would make sense. He is now back out of jail and trying to get his life back together, which is good for him. Yes. Uh Rivka Reyes, Katie, plays bass. She also had a drug addiction problem. She is a musician, was before, is now still.

SPEAKER_08 52:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:21

Uh I listen to her music really good. Um, Joey Gatos, not so much, but uh Rivka Reyes, her music's really cool. Caitlin Hale plays Marta, the blonde girl.

SPEAKER_03 52:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:32

She's an ultrasound technologist now, retired from acting.

SPEAKER_03 52:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:36

Angelo Massigly, Frankie, big fat kids. They're dating in real life.

SPEAKER_03 52:42

Uh yeah, Marta, that's right. I read that.

SPEAKER_00 52:44

Yeah. Still, because this is like 2024 or something like that. They're still together, right? Miriam Hassan, Tamika works as a singer. I didn't listen to her music. She just seems, I don't know, whatever. She's the one that was because we're Aretha Franklin, yeah. The one that was shy at first.

SPEAKER_03 53:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:00

Kevin Clark, Freddie, uh, passed away in 2021, struck by a car while he's in his bike. Yeah. He was um apparently a really very accomplished drummer, but he wasn't having a lot of success. I guess he's like working at Starbucks or something like that when he died. That's why he was on a bike or whatever. It's kind of sad.

SPEAKER_03 53:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

Uh Brian Feldudo, Billy, fancy pants.

SPEAKER_03 53:22

Fancy pants.

SPEAKER_00 53:22

He's a singer-songwriter. I listened to his music. He was good in this movie, let's put it that way. Robert Psy, Lawrence, he retired from acting. He's a dancer, which I find I didn't know. Really? Yeah. That's musician and dancer. All these kids are musicians at some point. As a matter of fact, they said Miranda Miranda Cosgrove, they had to teach her how to not sing because she actually is a really good singer in real life.

SPEAKER_03 53:45

So I got a real aside with uh Robert uh is it Psy or Ty?

SPEAKER_00 53:52

It's well T would usually be silent, so Psy.

SPEAKER_03 53:54

Okay, Robert Cy. He uh during the production, like his character Lawrence, came up to Lincoln and so I don't think uh you might want to hire somebody else. I don't think I'm good for that. And he goes, No, you're exactly what I'm looking for. That's what I want. He thought he didn't fit the character what he was looking for, and unbeknownst to Robert, he actually was exactly what Richard was looking for.

SPEAKER_00 54:17

You know, just a regular kid.

SPEAKER_03 54:18

Yeah, because when they're doing the movie and I guess auditions, and I guess he finally made it during production. He got scared, like, oh, I think I'm I'm messing up, I think I'm ruining this movie. And that's when Linklair said, No, you're he was absolutely right. You're right. This is you're perfect for the role.

SPEAKER_06 54:34

Mr. Sneepley.

SPEAKER_03 54:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

Hey, what's up?

SPEAKER_04 54:39

I don't think I should be in the band.

SPEAKER_01 54:41

Why not?

SPEAKER_04 54:42

I'm not cool enough. People in bands are cool. I'm not cool.

SPEAKER_01 54:46

Dude, you are cool. The way you play. What why are you saying you're not cool?

SPEAKER_06 54:52

Nobody ever talks to me.

SPEAKER_01 54:54

Well, those days are over, buddy. Because you could be the ugliest sad sack on the planet, but if you're in a rocking band, you're the cat's pajamas, man. You're the bee's knees. Bee's knees? Yeah, the bee's knees. You're the you're gonna be the most popular guy in school, trust me.

SPEAKER_06 55:10

Okay, how do it?

SPEAKER_01 55:13

Now listen, this is a big commitment now. You don't just say yes if you're gonna flake out later.

SPEAKER_04 55:18

I won't.

SPEAKER_01 55:19

Larry. Welcome to my world. Boom.

SPEAKER_06 55:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 55:28

Boom. A couple of these. Now here.

SPEAKER_06 55:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 55:30

Now give me a platform. Let's rock. Let's rock today. Now do it to me.

SPEAKER_06 55:36

Let's rock. Let's rock today.

SPEAKER_01 55:38

That's good. Slap it. Shoot it. Caboot it. We're gonna work on that some more later. It's a very long shake. Get going. The knuckle track.

SPEAKER_00 55:49

Alright, we'll look at the finish gap. Uh Alicia Allen.

SPEAKER_01 55:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:52

Uh Braceface. She was in um Are We There Yet?

SPEAKER_03 55:56

Oh, yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 55:57

And Young Adult, I guess it's Shirley's Theron, right? Young Adult wasn't that her?

SPEAKER_03 56:00

It's been a while since I've seen it, but you're probably right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 56:02

Uh but she retired from acting since then. It's ironic because she actually had a career kind of going.

SPEAKER_03 56:06

Yeah, she did. A little bit.

SPEAKER_00 56:08

Uh James Hosey's played Marco, the little redhead kid. Carrot Top, he called him.

SPEAKER_03 56:13

Right.

SPEAKER_00 56:13

I've seen him in a bunch of things. Um Kimmy Schmidt, he was in. He's been like some little bit rolls here and there. Sure. Apparently there was a kid that was hired before him who was kind of a diva, and Link later is like, it's like, uh, he's that kid's gone, and then they brought in uh James Hosey to replace him. But I guess that kid was more of a professional kid actor, and like, you know, oh, you guys need to do this, this, and this, and they're in Link Later's like, nope. I want regular kids like Cy. I don't want you to giving in this business shit.

SPEAKER_03 56:43

Right, because I mean that's the whole purpose is you're like nobody, you're just you you can't be polished and I don't want that.

SPEAKER_00 56:51

I don't want the whole fake sitcommy kid type thing.

SPEAKER_03 56:55

Minus that kid, most of these guys were first-time acting.

SPEAKER_00 56:58

Yeah. And they went on to do stuff, but I mean, you know, it was at 50-50, as far as like anybody having like major success, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 57:06

It's probably less, but I mean you get the here and that like Miranda.

SPEAKER_00 57:09

Yeah, but other than that.

SPEAKER_03 57:11

Yeah. Other than that, most of them have tried.

SPEAKER_00 57:14

Yeah. But I mean because of this push they got from this movie, they kind of, you know, it's natural to want to capitalize on it. Right. The last couple here, Cole Hawkins, shortstop, the little black kid. He's an actor still. Z Infante, I think his name is something else with a Z. Anyway, uh, he's played Roadrunner that did the lights on his computer. He's an actor. And Jordan Claire Green and Veronica Afflerbach, they were the the groupies, they're both actors.

SPEAKER_08 57:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:42

Uh, I put down that I wanted to put before I get out of here is that the chemistry that Jack Black has for the kids in real life, because I I watched you, I mean you have the DVD, so you've seen the feature where he's the kids love him clearly. It it blasts through the screen. You just like you can feel it. The camp that's the best chemistry I've seen for actors. Uh, I can't even when I think of chemistry, that's that. Those kids love him, clearly. You know? Uh even there's a thing I read with uh Gatos where he said I had to act, quote unquote, I'm not an actor, but I had to act like I was sad because of his dad or whatever, he gave him that speech or whatever. And he's like, I couldn't because we were always like so happy. Because Jack Black, it was hard for me to act sad because we were having so much fun.

SPEAKER_03 58:25

And that's it, you know, he's like I said, addicting. And you said it earlier, like Jack Black, I mean, movies, how many can you say have been bad, right? Yeah. I mean, I can't. I mean like you said, I like Jack Black. I enjoy his movies. Um but this is to me the pinnacle.

SPEAKER_00 58:46

It seems like he's a like a good dude in real life. I actually heard some things with people from the SNL cast, they were saying that it was like they interviewed a bunch of the SNL cast members in a little round table interview, and they said, Who's your best uh host? And they all kind of looked at each other for a second, and unprompted they all said Jack Black, like one at a time, right? Like within seconds of each other, and then they went on and on about all these things he did and he was so generous and be a professional, because that's the other thing you hear that oh, he's such a wild man, he's gonna come on and do all this improvising. But what I've heard from Rudin was that when you see what you see on stage is very practiced and rehearsed. It's not like he seems like he's wild and control, but he'll do that same thing ten times in a row, and he's just got it so you know dialed in, it just seems like he's you know not trying. But that's the mark of a person who's good at their job. They make it look easy.

SPEAKER_03 59:39

So the budget for this movie was 35 million. It grossed 131, so it was a hit. You know, unlike real quick as a comparison, I mean it's still considered a hit. Like Thing Street was budgeted at four million and it made thirteen point six. I mean, it's three times it's I mean that's marginal, especially for a smaller film. Right. Of the two, that's the smaller the School of Rock's bigger.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:06

Um also before we stop.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:09

That's what I was saying earlier about the whole thing about having more promotion for Sing Street.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:15

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:15

Because if this says thirty-five million and they had four for the whole movie, I mean, imagine the kind of promotion they could have gotten if they had a thirty million dollar budget, which they didn't. And it should have because it was a great movie. That's that's the thing that kind of boggles my mind, but whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:30

I want to say you said you saw Sing Street on It was like Pluto or Sling.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:35

I get them all mixed up. All three ones.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:37

It's dropped off. It was on Pluto, it's gone. Now it's on Stars and Amazon Prime. So those are where you can find these movies.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:46

And you can find uh School of Rock in my house. You can find both my DVD changer under a bunch of a bunch of boxes.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:53

You can find them, yeah, in my library as well.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:56

Just uh closing up, there are still to this day, 20 plus years later, talks of sequel, which is not surprising. Uh there's two times when it came up recently, uh 2008 and 2021-ish or something like that. I think the most recent one was the 2008 one, was getting the whole band back together. There was supposed to be like a cross-country um not the not literally the band, but a bunch of other kids that gotta go cross-country to learn about music or whatever with Jack Black. That was gonna be Link Later and Rudin, the whole Mike White, the whole thing. Then I guess Link Later was like, I'm basically running this. Why do I need you people? And then they got a big fight, and that broke up. And Jack Black said he wouldn't do it without all of them. Right. And then later on, 2021, Jack Black said he'd do it by himself, and that's the one I haven't heard from anyway. And it's it's passed. It's like it was it was a great thing. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:48

That's why I put you didn't see this people, but I put my thumbs down because I mean I think now there's a point where it's too late. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:55

Now we had a 20-year reunion.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:56

Right. And they did a TV show, I think, on Nickelodeon. Yeah. Called School of Rock, and I was like 2016 to 2018, yeah. And it was like, yeah, I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:06

I mean, I and a stage play.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:08

Yeah. It it had its time. Um, and I agree with you to go back. I mean you could kind of do something, but uh I just wouldn't have that same heart and feeling, I think. I I don't believe. And plus, unfortunately, what's his name? Um I'm trying to Clark. Kevin Clark passed away. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:26

And I think he said that they would never do it without him.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:30

It's not the same.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:31

Unlike Rush. Excuse me. Or you could say um he did mention Neil Pert and I'd listen to Neil Purt and remember that he gave Kevin.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:40

It's like, yeah, he's got good taste. Well, it's coming like, what's the group that um Lincoln Park, who lost their right? I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:48

Yeah. I mean don't get me started. Uh 92% Rotten Tomatoes. I know you love that. Black's exuberant, gleeful performance turns School of Rock into a hilarious rock and good time. 82% a Metacritic, Roger Ebert, my boy. Three and a half out of four. He says School of Rock proves you can make a family film that's alive and well acted and smart and receptive and funny, and that rocks. So I think it sums it up nicely to close it out. I give this two thumbs up.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:17

Totally agree. School of Rock is beautiful, uh awesome movie. I love the movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:22

So that's really our take. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:25

Uh yeah. All right. So that's it. That's all I have.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:27

That's all I got, kids.

unknown 1:03:29

Thank you.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:04

But we will start in the day days. Don't take much to make a race. I feel like I've been to exercise. And then you can't do it.