Episode 42 Back to the Future and Weird Science

Dave & Christopher review the 1985 Science Fiction comedy classic, "Back to the Future" starring Michael J. Fox, Christopher Lloyd, Lea Thompson, Crispin Glover and Thomas F. Wilson and directed by Robert Zemeckis

They also review the 1985 Science Fiction comedy "Weird Science"  starring Anthony Michael Hall, Ilan Mitchell-Smith, Bill Paxton and Kelly LeBrock and written and directed  by John Hughes

"Ride Captain Ride "© writers: Mike Pinera, Frank "Skip" Konte  performed by Blues Image

Transcript

Back to the Future

SPEAKER_02 0:24

But sure. If you're looking for a good movie or two to ensure that you've come to the right place, let's get started. I guess I'll start. Yeah. You start. With today's movies, we still kind of picked, you were saying, I figure more s it's science, but kind of the AI thing. And anyway, enough rambling. I picked Back to the Future. Yeah. Which to me is one of my all-time favorite movies. I can watch this movie and it takes me right back to when I first saw it back in 1985. Back to the Future is a 1985 American science fiction film directed by Robert Zemeckis. It was written by Zemeckis and Bob Gale. It stars Michael J. Fox.

SPEAKER_00 1:02

Wait, directed by Zemeckis?

SPEAKER_02 1:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

Oh, I thought it was Spielberg.

SPEAKER_02 1:06

He okay, I'll get to that later. It stars Michael J. Fox, Christopher Lloyd, Leah Thompson, Crispin Glover, and Thomas F. Wilson. Set in 1985, it follows Marty McFly, a teenager accident sent back to 1955 in a time-traveling DeLorean automobile, built by his eccentric scientist friend Emmett Doc Brown, who's played by Christopher Lloyd, where he inadvertently pr prevents his future parents from falling in love, threatening his own existence, and is forced to reconcile them and somehow get back to the future. That's really basically the movie. Yeah. Um so to answer your question, Spielberg, yeah. So originally uh Gail and Zemeckas had been writing partners together for a while. Uh they did Use Cars, they did I Wanna Hold Your Hand. Uh I think Gail wrote Gail and Zemeckas co-wrote 1941, which is a Spielberg film. So a lot of times when they were struggling to get into Hollywood, they would call their friend Steven and he'd help them make movies. Unfortunately, the track record with Steven with the movies they had done didn't do well financially. They were later on kind of hit or like cult, but they didn't do translate financially. So when they stumbled upon this idea of a futuristic, I forget how they came across it, but they decided to write this film about the future. In fact, it wasn't a DeLorean in the original script, it was actually a refrigerator.

SPEAKER_00 2:34

Yeah, I think I heard about that.

SPEAKER_02 2:35

And that's kind of funny because that got used in the Indiana Jones part four of the refrigerator, where he the nuclear test and he went in the refrigerator because it was lead or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 2:43

Everyone complained about.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

Right. So, but but the thing with Zumek is he thought if we put this movie out, and kids are gonna emulate that, right? Oh, I'll go in the refrigerator. And then he was afraid that you'd get all these frantic parents, kids kids getting killed because they got stuck in a refrigerator somehow. So they, you know, wrote a few drafts and they went to shop it around at different studios, and the studios were they didn't like the fact that when Marty meets his mom, there's that little Oh, right? They're like, That's incense. And it's like, but it you're you're missing the point of the whole of it, right? I mean, as a teenager, she's not gonna know that's her son, and right she's going there's hormones, all that, right? You're attracted to who you're attracted to, even though you don't inadvertently know that that's my son. Right. But so they were all like, no, last year's, and finally went, they kind of went to Stephen, he read the script, go, this is awesome. But they were afraid because their track record with him was not good. Okay. If we put if we do another film and it flops, no one's gonna want us. They're gonna say, Nope, Zemeka's Gail. Nope. Right. So they tried and they went and rewrote it, and finally said, because they kept getting no's and they finally went to Steven, and he goes, Okay, so he produced it. Oh, okay. With his, I think Amblin films originally. Yeah. That's where he comes in. And because you know, Steven was a big deal, obviously. Right. So but to their benefit and Steven's benefit, it was a huge hit. Right. Um during production, um, they originally, even when they started, when they finally got everything Steven, the studio they originally wanted even Michael J. Fox back then. Unfortunately, he was on a hit TV series called Family Ties. So the studio was like, Nope, can't touch him. And Zemeckis and Gail basically had a timeline. They had to put this movie out in a certain timeline. And of course, when you're young and you think, oh, I can get anybody to play this character, I'll hire Eric Stoltz.

SPEAKER_00 4:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:40

Right?

SPEAKER_00 4:41

Uh Stoltz was established back then, though. When he did the mask back before that.

SPEAKER_02 4:46

He did mask, yeah. But his way of acting and what they were trying to translate on on paper and screen didn't. So for five weeks he worked and they realized even like it's not working.

SPEAKER_00 4:57

Right.

SPEAKER_02 4:57

He doesn't have a natural charm or a comedic element. It's not that you have to be a comedic actor, but to convey what they're trying to emulate on the screen on the paper just wasn't working.

SPEAKER_00 5:08

You have to be likable, and that's kind of a hard thing to get your arms around. But you either people have it or they don't.

SPEAKER_02 5:14

I mean, Eric Stoltz has a certain style, and you can you and I can agree on that.

SPEAKER_00 5:18

Right.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

I don't ever see him being a Marty McFly. Because even in um some kind of wonderful, right?

SPEAKER_00 5:24

He's still kind of a douche in that. Like if he ended up with neither of the women, I'd be like, Yeah, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 5:30

Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Because he's kind of a dick, but I don't think he's compared to Michael J. Fox, who's like very charismatic, yeah, that kind of yeah. Where he kind of like he gets away with shit and it's like, oh that's but you can see that, and he had he can play that well.

SPEAKER_02 5:42

Right. Eric can't do it. Like you said, he comes across as and maybe it's more aloof.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Right, aloof, that's a good word.

SPEAKER_02 5:48

But he comes across as, like you said, a douche or a dick. Yeah. The original Jennifer wasn't Claudia Wells. They actually tried to hire her, and ironically enough, she also was stuck in a TV series, so she couldn't get she had to say no. They actually hired Melora Hardin, who was in the office and because her height and Eric Stoltz. Once they figured out Stoltz wasn't working, right?

SPEAKER_00 6:13

Studio went back and uh Stoltz is like six foot, right? Something like that.

SPEAKER_02 6:17

Five, yeah, maybe five eleven, six foot.

SPEAKER_00 6:18

Some he's so Michael J. Fox is five five-ish. That's I guess on a good day, somewhere. I've heard five. Somewhere in that mix, right.

SPEAKER_02 6:26

He's in that so and Melora Harden herself is like five's seven. Right. So, yeah, once they realized it wasn't working with Stoltz, they fired him. What's funny though is Christopher Lloyd, I guess, and Stoltz got along really well.

SPEAKER_00 6:39

Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 6:40

And when he heard that Stoltz got fired and they were bringing in um Michael J. Fox, there was a reluctance. Like he was kept him at arm's distance. And later on, yeah. Later on, he fully embraced it. He realized, oh, okay, and they they're lifelong friends now. But at the time, you work with somebody and you develop develop some kind of rapport.

SPEAKER_00 7:02

Yeah. And I could see how there might also be like Michael J. Fox was a fucking star back then. That family ties was huge.

SPEAKER_02 7:09

Right.

SPEAKER_00 7:10

And so I could kind of see how this guy's coming in to usurp this other guy who I kind of liked. Like, who's who's this guy, you know? So I could see how there might be a little bit standoffishness.

SPEAKER_02 7:19

But yeah, the studio finally told, I guess it was MPC, and said, Hey, what do we what do we need to do here? Right? And they said, Okay. They kind of relent and said, Well, let him read the script. If he agrees to do it, he's gonna have to do our show, and he can do yours whenever, but he has to literally for actually Because it's our ratings cash cow, we should point that out.

SPEAKER_00 7:38

Yes, it's like friends Seinfeld before that was the correct.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

So he literally would work during the day hours, family ties. He'd get off like at six and immediately get carted right over to Back to the Future, work until like three or four in the morning, go home and crash, literally have to get maybe a couple hours of sleep, turn around, get back. He did that for months. Yeah. So he was literally living off nothing. I mean, Grenon, I think it's a little overstated because I think in between, when they're not on set, they are in their trailer or wherever, they are napping. And I'm not trying to diminish what happened.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

And it's not like he's working in a coal mine. He's acting, so it's like Correct. Yeah, he has to stand around and give lines. It's not that serious.

SPEAKER_02 8:25

Yeah, he's never really got it.

SPEAKER_00 8:26

Yeah, the human body, you gotta get rest and whatever. Yeah. But anyway, that's really the But I think that he they filmed on weekends, if I'm not mistaken. Yes, that's because I guess the family ties didn't film on weekends.

SPEAKER_02 8:36

Right. So he literally was working seven days a week. Right, that sucks.

SPEAKER_00 8:39

But I mean, I mean yeah, he's he was huge. I mean, like I said, he was huge. And then this made him even huger. So he was already a star, and then this put him on the big screen as a star too.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

The whole of the movie is Marty, as we see, he's you know, he he wants to be a rock star, he plays, you know, guitar, and he gets to do audition for the in front of the whoever the counsel for it's like high school battle the band or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:05

And they go, We're the pinheads, and he plays, you know, and qu you know, of course there's Huey Lewis, who's one of the judges.

SPEAKER_00 9:12

Yeah, nice cameo.

SPEAKER_02 9:14

Because I mean they they made they made the music for the movie, so you know, that's your way of getting in.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

And as we see and another one who was huge at that time. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:22

Huey Lewis in the news was ginormous. Yeah, they play and they're told, Oh, stop, and he's like, What? You're just too darn loud.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Too loud, yeah. He does all this wanking guitar eighties, because it was the eighties. Right.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

I'm afraid you've got to turn it up on the mile.

SPEAKER_02 10:14

But yeah, as we see, Marty, you know, goes down and he starts to doubt himself because him and Jennifer, who now Claudio Wells did get hired eventually. So anyway, Claudia and he's just keeps doubting himself, and we hear and he goes, Man, I sound like my dad. And we learn why, because as the movie goes forward. Right. Because they they meet after school and there's this clock tower that's you know, and there's this lady, save the clock tower in the town square, yeah, like the downtown area or whatever. Yeah, it's on the universal lot, as you oh yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_00 10:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:45

Because when you do the tram, it there's the you know, you go, oh.

SPEAKER_00 10:47

That's right, yeah, I remember that.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

Right. So yeah, he's and then him and Claude or Jennifer agreed to meet that weekend, like, oh, and does your mom know about us?

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Oh, my mom's they're gonna go camping or something like that out in the club. Camping. I know.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

Right? Hey, you know, they're in love, it's okay. But yeah, as we see, he's he skateboards, that's another big thing, right? I mean, skateboarding hasn't ever gone out, but it was prominent in that movie.

SPEAKER_00 11:14

Right.

SPEAKER_02 11:14

Very prominent.

SPEAKER_00 11:15

So yeah, it was more of a wide, more of a widespread mainstream thing. Everybody had a skateboard, but now it's more niche or more younger or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 11:24

We didn't have those extreme games back then. People were skateboarding, doing their studs and all that, but it before it became popular.

SPEAKER_00 11:30

Yeah, I remember skateboard was just like that's just how you got around, like a bike or whatever. It was like it wasn't like, oh, I'm gonna do it for tricks and shit like that. It's like, yeah, I would just skate down to my friend's house or whatever. Right.

SPEAKER_02 11:40

It was just another mode of transportation.

SPEAKER_00 11:42

Right, but then he took it to another level, like he's grabbing on the cars and shit and doing the beginning.

SPEAKER_02 11:48

Can't fault him.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

Early, I guess, days of doing tricks with it or whatever. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:52

It was a faster way of getting around.

SPEAKER_00 11:54

It's like, oh wow, he's good at skateboarding. You can do that.

SPEAKER_02 11:58

But yeah, you know, he's all excited and he gets home, and then the cars. You know, I'm not gonna go on the whole story, but it kind of adds to as we get introduced, he's like, Dad, the car, dad. His dad gets plunked by Biff, the Biff, Biff, which is Tom uh Thomas Wilson, who plays Biff, and then Crispin Glover plays his dad, George McFly.

SPEAKER_00 12:19

In in both eras. Right. He looks basically the same in both 55 and 85, but except without the glasses. I feel like he's roughly the same age as Michael D. Fox, like maybe Yeah, a couple years.

SPEAKER_02 12:32

Maybe a couple years younger. I think he's a couple years younger than uh Michael J. Fox. Yeah. Yeah, because then what's scary too is Crispin still looks good in his early 60s. So you know, I think Michael would be okay, you know, and he has Parkinson's, so it does affect you.

SPEAKER_00 12:47

Right.

SPEAKER_02 12:47

But he still looks good for his age, too.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

Sure. You know, but anyway, as we meet, you know. But his dad gets punked and that kind of sets the tone for the movie.

SPEAKER_02 12:56

Yeah, because Biff's like, I spilled beer on my dad. You didn't tell me about any blind spots, McFly. Well, Biff, now there wasn't any blind spots when I bought the car.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

I love that. You know? I love that. I mean, I will spill my beer. What are you gonna do about that McFly?

SPEAKER_02 13:12

You're gonna give me you know, my dry cleaning bill. And it's like he just, like you said, totally punks him.

SPEAKER_00 13:17

Just like in front of his kids.

SPEAKER_02 13:19

And Marty's just looking at this, like, and then Biff looks at him, kind of rolls his eyes and he's looking at and goes, What are you looking at, butthead? Yeah. To Marty, and Marty's just like, wants to say something, you can see it. He's just, you know, because we all know it was obviously Biff's fault. And he should be like, Oh, my bad, I'll pay. But of course he's not.

SPEAKER_00 13:37

He's gotten away with obviously for well, we've had that for years, right?

SPEAKER_02 13:42

Yeah, and then it's kind of uh what do you call implied when they're talking, you know, when when he talks to George, uh Biff kind of you know implies that he basically owns George, right? Right, and then he goes, I know, I know what you're gonna say, son. He's just uh a simp for lack of a better word.

SPEAKER_00 14:01

Yeah, I mean he's really bad. And I I would say um it's a fantasy movie, so I don't want to like get into nitpickiness necessarily, but uh the only thing I noticed is like I feel like how would Michael J. Fox be that person that he is with a dad like that? I feel like that was a little bit uh incongruous. Uh uh, you know, he just seems like he's more confident, he's got his woman, he's you know, he's kind of more of a well, he is the baby of the the three kids.

SPEAKER_02 14:29

They have an older daughter and older son, right? Right. And maybe from that, since he was younger, they took the brunt of it, and now he Well, I mean his dad is a big thing.

SPEAKER_00 14:39

No, no, I understand what you're getting at, and just he just when you're telling your dad, hey dad, you gotta like step up and do something for yourself. Like, where did you learn how to do that? If if your dad's a wimp, why how would you I kind of see that as we w are introduced to Leah Thompson who plays Lorraine generation? Wimpiness skips a generation.

SPEAKER_02 14:56

Well, as we meet Lorraine, she seems a little bit more forthright.

SPEAKER_00 15:00

Yeah, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_02 15:01

Because when she goes, Well, here kids, Uncle Joe, you know, right, he didn't make it out of parole.

SPEAKER_00 15:07

Right. That's that's a good point. Maybe the mom like instilled some confidence in him.

SPEAKER_02 15:11

Doc Brown calls him and well, he calls him at the beginning of the movie and says, Hey, I need you to be at the Twin Pines Mall tonight at one one something, and bring the camera. And so we see that, and Marty's like, Yeah, yeah, sure. So 'cause he's still kind of upset. Now he can't take Jennifer up to the lake because the car is messed up.

SPEAKER_00 15:29

And right.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

And this is where the story really takes off because Marty does meet uh Doc Brown at the the mall.

SPEAKER_00 15:36

He takes the skateboard as a means of transportation, as I said, and he wears that we did.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

And he also has an old walkman.

SPEAKER_00 15:43

Right. You know? Right. So he skateboards down to the mall.

SPEAKER_02 15:47

Yep. And this is where we discovered that Doc Brown has created a time machine out of a DeLorean.

SPEAKER_00 15:53

DeLorean. There's some terrorists or something like that that want the technology or something. Well, they have to do that. So it kind of throws a monkey wrench into the plans, which leads to uh Marty Marty going back to the 50s. 55. Right. Same town, but just you know, 30 years earlier.

SPEAKER_02 16:10

Well, Doc Brown shows them how that works. The time, you know, you punch in the time you want to go. Let's say you want to go to independence. Right. And then that's where we're introduced to the flux capacitor, which gives time travel. It's how you can travel through time. Right. You know. Um, and he even explains to Marty how he was doing something and he fell and hit his head, and that's when it came to him that flux capacity, you know. And because you Marty utilizes that later. Yeah. It's interesting, twin pines, and then we find out later on, towards the end of the movie, but I'm not gonna get ahead. Um yes, he gets himself transported back to the past, and now he has to figure out a way, you know. And there's obviously because as Doc Brown's explaining, what am I thinking? Because he's gonna go into the future. He already tells Marty, I want to go wherever. Because he takes and he has his dog, Einstein, and he goes, Oh, what am I thinking? I can't go, I gotta take some of this plutonium with me, which is where the terrorists come in. Right. So, but before all that, that's his plans get spoiled, and that's when Marty gets thrust trying to escape the terrorists.

SPEAKER_00 17:11

And right. And then so he's in 55, and then why is it he doesn't just come back? I forgot.

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Because there's no plutonium in the cars, right? He needs something that e is equivalent to what the plutonium can a power source. Right. So he goes to Doc Brown in the past, who hasn't invented anything yet. Hasn't invented the truth. He has the idea, as we find out, for the flux, but he doesn't know how to to formulate it and put it together as a time travel machine yet.

SPEAKER_00 17:40

Right.

SPEAKER_02 17:40

But this is a precursor to all that. But go ahead.

SPEAKER_00 17:43

Yeah, no, I was just gonna say, um uh just to kind of further the synopsis, like it that's why he ends up going back. He needs a power source to be able to get back to where he was, but that's when he, like you said, he finds the the Doc Brown of 55, but in the interim, while he's there, there's a whole thing about whatever you do in the past.

SPEAKER_02 18:03

Don't it's like the butterfly effect, right? If you you could have it's a ripple, you could affect right, and that does happen, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 18:10

Right. Uh he because he So he gets hit by a car or something like that. Which is supposed to be dad. So now he's already fucked up the time.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

Right. Because that's where Lorraine met George, and that's where they fell in.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Well, they they go to the dance, the enchanted under sea dance, and they fucks up the time timeline, and therefore he spends the rest of the week trying to fix it. Right. Let's put it that way.

SPEAKER_02 18:31

Fix it and get back home.

SPEAKER_00 18:32

Right, and get back home.

SPEAKER_02 18:33

Because Doc Brown figures out a way how he can he knows exactly what date that this lightning store that stopped the clock tower from working. He needs that lightning.

SPEAKER_00 18:44

Right.

SPEAKER_02 18:44

So they're gonna plug it into DeLorean so he can well as soon as that lightning hits that wire, he transports back. Right. And hopefully all is put back in a neatly its place.

SPEAKER_00 18:55

Right. Right. His mom in the past starts falling in love with him instead of his dad. Right. And that causes the reality of 85 to start changing. Well, real quick, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:06

It's interesting because he has this ideal of his mom from what she is in the past.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

From what she's told him, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:11

Right.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Well I was never I never did any of that type of stuff.

SPEAKER_02 19:14

And then we see, whoop, oh, no, mom is quite the opposite. Well, I mean, she's an attractive young woman, too. Yeah, but but I mean, he's that's his mom. You're my your and his grandpa.

SPEAKER_00 19:28

It's gonna it's that's a nice little I mean it's it's a clever premise. Oh, yeah, very good.

SPEAKER_02 19:34

I mean, then I like it, it's a nice charm to it. It doesn't get into whole it does touch on some of the time travel aspects because Doc explains it, but it isn't so heavy-handed that you lose track of the actual story.

SPEAKER_00 19:48

Right. You still keep up and like, oh, if he doesn't there's certain suspension of d disbelief that's required to like watch the movie. I don't pay attention to any of that shit as far as the flux capacitor and all that. It's like okay, he's in a DeLorean, it travels with time, he needs to get back, bam. But it's just the story of him trying to get his parents to meet, try to fix the timeline by getting his parents to meet, but his his dad is a simp even back then, he's a nerd, and it's a challenge to try to get his dad to like make the move on his mom, his past mom.

SPEAKER_02 20:18

And this is where you we realize the relationship between Biff, how long it's actually uh transcended, right?

SPEAKER_00 20:24

Right, 30 years. Right. He's been punking him, right? Right, or more than 30 years, because when we come in, he's already punking him. So it was already you know, probably before that. Don't was like, I don't want you just I don't want to see you in this diner. How are you gonna kick somebody out from a fucking diner? Right, you don't own it, right? Yeah, I don't want to see you in this diner, McFly. And then I just as a just a small note, um, in this little gang of buddies, it's like uh the guy from the city.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

Casey Shamosco, uh uh what's his name? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:52

I forget his name. Casey Shamosco, yes, the guy with the with the 3D glasses.

SPEAKER_02 20:56

Yes. Um I'm trying to Billy Zane. Billy Zane.

SPEAKER_00 20:59

I was trying to I think I want to say it's one of his first roles and like that.

SPEAKER_02 21:02

I think you're right. It was one of his and Casey too, because that's why they played the gang members, they weren't really known.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

And the other guy was known too? Maybe not. I thought all three of them were future.

SPEAKER_02 21:13

I know the kid you're talking about. I think I want to say he was in Beautiful. Was he in Beautiful Girls? I think he was. He was one of he was one of the the friends, anyway.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

Yeah, I can't just interesting little side note.

SPEAKER_02 21:27

Right. That's what we're doing.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

Because I I think I watched it on Amazon just to get that question out of the way. I know I looked it up, and that's only in the trivia, and it was like, and I in the scene, it says who's in the scene, it says Casey Jamaska, and I'm like, what? Yeah, and I had to rewind it and go, Oh shit, that is him.

SPEAKER_02 21:41

Yeah, and Billy Zane.

SPEAKER_00 21:42

Billy I read about Billy Zane, so I knew I was looking, I was like, Oh, that's him. Because he has that unique kind of look anyway. But I guess there was something like he was supposed to be the birth character, but he wasn't buff. He wasn't like imposing enough for when they had um stoltz. Oh. So he's there said something like which is kind of fucked up. They said like if Stoltz hadn't gotten fired, Zayn would have been biff. Right? No, is that right?

SPEAKER_02 22:12

I didn't read that, but yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

If Stoltz no, Stoltz got fired, like if they would have known that they were gonna have Michael J. Fox, Stoltz would have got fired, but Zayn would have still been able to keep that main bully role because he's bigger than Michael J. Fox. Sure. That's what I was trying to say.

SPEAKER_02 22:27

But the way you watch it now, I mean, not that I can't say Billy couldn't pulled it up, but Thomas Wilson.

SPEAKER_00 22:32

Oh yeah, he nails it.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

He is Biff.

SPEAKER_00 22:34

Right. You know. Right. The uh I am stupid, but I think I'm smart, which is always funny. Right. I've said that before. Why don't you make like a tree? Get out of here.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

I mean But what's cool about the characters we learn with Marty is he sticks unlike George, he actually sticks up for himself and fights this guy who's 10 times bigger than that.

SPEAKER_00 22:56

That's what I'm saying. I just didn't, but you're right. I think it maybe his mom instilled that in him. But I was like, when I'm watching the movie, be like, well, how come your son is so badass and you're that doesn't compute that those those people would come from each other.

SPEAKER_02 23:07

But yeah, I mean, but he's still trying to instill all this in the scene where because George is reluctant. He's like, and then we see the scene where Marty gets in the house, dresses in the well, he wears this like radiation suit because when they have to put the plutonium in the back of the DeLorean, you have to protect yourself. Right. Potential radiation poison and all that.

SPEAKER_00 23:26

Right.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

So it's that suit gets transported with them in the past, and that whole scene is I love that scene.

SPEAKER_00 23:36

Darth Vader from the planet Vulcan. To intimidate his dad into making a move on his mom.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

Well, he puts the Walkman on his ears and he puts Van Halen. I love that scene. It's it's just so funny. And he's looking, there happens to be a magazine with looking just like the character, right? But yeah, I love that scene. And then after that, he's like, Marty! Darth Vader from the George, don't you know? Him and Marty now commiserate because they now you need to ask Lorraine, and he's all for it now. There's that another scene I really like, and it's cheesy, but I still love it. When he goes to the diner, it's packed, and Lorraine's there, and Marty's saying something about you need to tell her like you're her destiny, and he's like, Lorraine, my density has pumped me to you.

SPEAKER_04 24:26

What I meant to say was wait a minute. Don't I know you're from somewhere? Yes, yes, I'm George. George McFly. I'm your density. I mean your destiny.

SPEAKER_02 24:48

So he goes in, Lorraine. I'm it's me, George. I'm your your density. I mean, I I'm your destiny. In that moment, I just I don't know. I just I love that moment.

SPEAKER_00 25:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:00

And of course, Biff walks in, McFly.

SPEAKER_00 25:03

I thought I told you not to be in here. Right. So funny.

SPEAKER_02 25:06

But yeah, more ensues, as we see, and then Marty plans a thing. He does ask Lorraine out, Marty, because she actually comes into Doc Brown's property and says it, you know, about the enchanted under the sea dance. And he goes, You weren't no one asked you? Like, where's George? He's supposed to, you know. So he reluctantly tells her, okay, we'll go. And then so George and Marty develop a plan that Marty's gonna take her and he's gonna do things on her inappropriately. Right. And George is supposed to come and rescue her from Marty and sock him and she'll fall in love with him as a protector and then Right.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

And then he can sail off back to the future.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

Right.

SPEAKER_02 25:47

But of course, it doesn't happen that way.

SPEAKER_00 25:49

Yeah. And well, it kind of does, but just in a different Yeah, in a different manner. Different characters.

SPEAKER_02 25:55

Sure. And this is where another part of the movie where we see that Marty may have invented rock and roll. Yeah. It's Marvin. You're cousin Marvin. Okay. Yes. He calls Chuck. Yes. Anyway. I love the movie. Like I said, it's one of my all-time favorites. It's like Radio's Lost Art to me. I can sit there and watch him.

SPEAKER_00 26:18

Between one, two, and three, what's your favorite?

SPEAKER_02 26:21

Original, of course, but I love all three together. I think they're well done as a trilogy. I do. I know it wasn't originally supposed to be a trilogy at all or a sequel. And I forget uh how I heard it, but Zemeckis and them came up with the idea because at the end it says to be continued, which Michael J. Fox didn't know. As soon as he heard that, he called, like, hey, what's going on? And they're like, Oh, yeah, we have an idea, and that's where it popped up.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

And they actually They had an idea that they were gonna do a sequel?

SPEAKER_02 26:46

Yeah, later on.

SPEAKER_00 26:48

Oh, so they tacked that on at yeah, later later. Right. I thought it was like an om homage to like the old movies, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

And that could have been like a touch of from Spielbergmeyer said, Hey, you might want to put, you know, because you know you get notes from your producers and all that, and he might have said, Hey, as a as a joke, just put to be continued, just like the old serials used to do.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

Right.

SPEAKER_02 27:09

But no, I guess they really did and took them, I want to say four years later.

SPEAKER_00 27:15

Yeah. So I know they filmed two and three at the same time.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

Yeah, back to back. That was actually the early thing of doing that, because that had never been done. They were like, hey, we're gonna film it back to back.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

Right.

SPEAKER_02 27:25

Which is smart. Yeah, but uh yeah, it answers your question. Yeah, I love the first one. I do. I like the whole trilogy. I mean, they're all fun to me.

SPEAKER_00 27:33

Yeah. How did this movie do? I know it did a whopper amount of money. Yeah, I feel like this is the number one highest grossing movie of 85.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

You're probably right. It was budgeted at 19 million. That's pretty good. Its box office back then was 398. Damn. Almost 400 million.

SPEAKER_00 27:52

Wow. This movie discapped had a, you know, huge life after um it was released. Well, when it was released and after.

SPEAKER_02 28:00

Well, even when it hit video, it was tremendous. Right. It just it had a a life.

SPEAKER_00 28:04

It just had a long, long run. But anyway, yeah, uh, how did what were critical reception was pretty good, right?

SPEAKER_02 28:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:13

General positive views from critics. Most reviewers agreed. Back to Future was among the year's most entertaining films, partly because of its focus on storytelling instead of pure spectacle. Um trying to see if your boy. I don't see him in here. Usually, you know, he's right there. Yeah. Leonard Malton's mentioned uh some reviewers such as Richard Corless and Leonard Malton agreed the exposition heavy opening was back to the future's weakest part, but led to stronger half filled with wit, wonder, comic epiphany, and original ideas. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:50

It was a good premise. Good premise for a movie.

SPEAKER_02 28:52

No, I love the movie. I think it holds up. It's a timeless classic, in my opinion. I don't know that you agree, but that's my opinion is that it is a timeless classic.

SPEAKER_00 29:02

Is it criterion? No.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

No, it should be.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

Yeah. Uh, I feel like I read that this was another one of those movies that was added to the registry of notable historical. I think you're right.

SPEAKER_02 29:13

That was fairly recent, too.

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Yeah. So that should give you some idea of how important it is. I um I I I like this movie. It's not like one of my favorites of all time or anything like that, but I I give it credit for what it was. I think this is like I I'm not a film historian or anything like that, but I feel like this is one of the first summer blockbusters because I feel like this was July of '85. June or July. You're right. So it was one of those things where it was like, you know, uh, that's what we'll get the kid. The kids are out of school. Let's let's have movies for kids that the whole family can watch or whatever, and we'll rake in the dough. And then every summer after that, they kind of this was part of that.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

This is continued that string of summer blockbuster because Raiders lost our E.T. prior to all that had come out in the summer. Uh, even Ghostbusters was before this, and it came out in the summer. So this was just continue that path of this is what we do in the summer.

SPEAKER_00 30:12

Right.

SPEAKER_02 30:13

Right. So yeah. Because that's where the money's at, right?

SPEAKER_00 30:16

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 30:18

Right. I mean, I saw it a couple times when it was out, you know, back when we used to go to the movies more than once.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

Right. Now, I would say that um this would be a great movie to see on a big screen.

SPEAKER_02 30:29

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 30:29

Um, I saw it on my computer, which is like, you know, it's okay.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

I mean, I saw it on my big screen TV. Actually I think they did late last year, they did a little screening of it. I did go see it at in Emeryville. They had a and it wasn't a fathom vents, but it was an event for it. And I got to go see it.

SPEAKER_00 30:51

I mean, like on a the theater is what I meant.

SPEAKER_02 30:54

Yeah, I know what you meant.

SPEAKER_00 30:55

I'm just saying because it's it's a summer blockbuster. I think it's iconic, but that's me.

SPEAKER_02 31:00

Um yeah, I agree. It's definitely made for the big screen. But it's a fun view at the home. Uh yeah, we said Amazon and I watched it because I own it.

SPEAKER_00 31:09

Yeah, I never good movie. Um, yeah, I I let's leave it at that. Let's leave it at that. It's not one of my favorites, but it's it's not a bad movie. It's definitely a good movie. Um good story, like I said, very original as far as I mean, just just an original idea in general is great. I mean, although it is based on a comic or something like that. Is it? Or roughly based on a comic. Yeah, made of made of future or something like that. Huh? Made of the future. Anyway, something like that. But there's these comics that were talking about time travel. He actually, in the movie, I think McFly has him by his bed. The EC comic. I was gonna talk about that in mine. Oh, is roughly based on that, one of the stories about this guy that goes back from time, whatever. Um, but still, it's an original story, and I I like that aspect of it. They had we had a lot more of that in the 80s than we do now, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_02 32:03

Big huge thumbs up for me, and definitely watch it. Yeah. Fun time. That's all I have for it, but on to

Weird Science

SPEAKER_02 32:13

that's not a bad idea.

SPEAKER_05 32:14

What? Making a girl. Actually, making a girl.

SPEAKER_01 32:18

This is Wyatt and Gary. I give her one digious memory lance. Something's about to change their world. Something out of this world. She's lying! What would you little maniacs like to do first? It's all in the name of science. Weird science. If you want to be a party animal, you have to learn to live in the jungle. She is turning the memes. The mums. It's completely unbelievable. Totally unbelievable. So good. Universal Pictures presents a John Hughes film, Weird Science.

SPEAKER_06 33:32

It's purely sexual.

SPEAKER_00 33:36

Okay, so my my movie for this week was uh Weird Science. And I chose Weird Science because we were joking about it in the on the drive home last week, how Weird Science is kind of like uh a parody of ex Machina, which we reviewed last week.

unknown 33:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:01

But still, the premise kind of is the same.

SPEAKER_02 34:04

If I'm correct, uh, because it's written and directed by John Hughes. And I remember he wrote it really fast. I want to say that it was either, don't quote me, on three days or three weeks. He wrote it extremely fast. Yeah. Um, yes. And no offense to Mr. Hughes, but it feels like it was kind of rushed screenplay. I mean, I watched it again and it's okay. I I like the movie. I don't love the movie. It's interesting to go back and revisit because some of the themes, especially in today's world, would be ooh.

SPEAKER_00 34:35

Yeah, I was gonna say, um this is like um the second not quite second or third not quite PC movie that I've chosen uh behind uh Up in Smoke and Car Wash. Sure. But for me, it's kind of like, you know, um I I don't think it's that bad, frankly. I mean, and also some things are jokes. Correct. And so jokes are like you're not supposed to take them seriously and take them to heart. That's just my opinion. People can feel however way they want to, I wouldn't argue it. But as I said before we started recording, you can you have the right to be offended in this country, you just don't have the right to take out your offense on me. So I should I should still be able to watch this movie.

SPEAKER_02 35:16

Right, and I agree with that.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

And enjoy it for what it is, or or for even if I think there's there, and there's definitely, I mean, there are definitely some offensive things in this that I just kind of like. We grew up in that era where there was offensive things and we just kind of got over it. And so I don't they don't affect me, although someone nowadays, younger generations or whatever, might look at it and go, Oh my god, that's right, I can't deal with that. And that's fine. Don't watch it then. So yeah, this wouldn't be your thing then.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

It's not a cup of tea, might.

SPEAKER_00 35:43

Yeah, and that's fine. Everything's not for everybody. Right, and I agree with that. I we've got it. Uh so Weird Science is released in 1985. I think it was a month after Back to the Future, if I remember correctly. Yeah, one month after Back to the Future. The two movies are connected by the fact that Weird Science is based on the 1951 comic Maid of the Future, made M-A-D-E, although it's a pun on M-A-I-D. Woman of the Future. It's about a guy who makes a woman. I got you. A scientist who makes a woman. Uh it was distributed by EC Comics, who also had a title called Weird Science.

SPEAKER_02 36:16

Weird Science.

SPEAKER_00 36:17

And Back to the Future, George McFly reads EC Comics. You can see it by his bed, particularly titles about time travel, so they're kind of connected in that way. I thought that was interesting.

SPEAKER_03 36:26

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 36:26

Weird science is our second John Hughes movie, is that right? Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.

SPEAKER_02 36:32

Of that year?

SPEAKER_00 36:33

No, that we've reviewed for this. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:35

Sorry, yes.

SPEAKER_00 36:36

Um I just pointed that out because I didn't realize quite how many movies John Hughes had his hands involved in. Right. Either directing, screenplay, or writing, or some combination of producing. A lot of them.

SPEAKER_02 36:50

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:51

Um, but the ones that he's known for, or the ones that are, I guess, most popular, are not really my favorites. This is one of my favorites. I like Uncle Buck. I like Plans, Trains, and Automobiles, and he did the screenplay for some kind of wonderful, which is one of my favorite movies. Um, but if you ask most people, I think it would be like um Breakfast Club, Safety Candles, how you know, um, Home Alone, well, he wrote Ferris Bueller. He wrote Home Alone, but that's what I said that he's involved in in any way. Um that's what people would point to. And those those movies are good. They're just not my couple T necessarily. I mean, I like them, they're not bad. Ferris Bueller's like it's a good movie. I you know, I just don't think it's like that's just my opinion. I just don't think it's a classic movie like everyone talks about, but that's just me. Uh Weird Science is a science fiction-based teen comedy set in the 1980s, stars Anthony Michael Hall. I made a note here that um I would argue, again, not another hot take, that he was his real muse, not Molly Ringwald. Although people would again point to Molly Ringwald as like that's his muse. And to some degree, yes, but I mean I know what you're getting at, right? Yeah, he I mean, from what I looked into for this movie, they're almost like partners, even though John Hughes is clearly a lot older than than um Anthony Michael Hall. He would like run his ideas past this you're saying like he wrote this movie really fast. I think they're on the set of uh vacation or something else they're working on together, and he said, Oh, by the way, we're filming takes them aside and go, Oh, I got this other movie that I want you to do.

SPEAKER_02 38:31

So I would say he would be more like his alter ego.

SPEAKER_00 38:35

Maybe uh there's been people that have done that, like I see my younger self, and I'm gonna, you know, write this through you or whatever, you're gonna act out who I am.

SPEAKER_02 38:43

Vicariously, right. Because that's you, to me, at that point in my life, we're similar.

SPEAKER_00 38:48

This is what I yeah. Right. That's this is I mean, my version of what I think I was like back then. Right. As it turns out in this movie, from what I heard from Anthony Michael Hall, that's exactly what happened, insofar as John Hughes wrote this version of what he thought he is himself was, you know. Um, but then he had to throw in um Elon Elon Mitchell Smith, I think is his name. Right, right. It's Wyatt, right? Because this the um studio people said that's you know, we want duos are funny, you know, Cheech and Chong or you know, you know, Bill and Ted. They have to have it has to be two people now.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

And so anyway, you're you know, no, I was gonna say hit on to piggyback. This is where you and I discuss where there's too much I get it, they're the ones putting the money, right? But they have too much of a heavy hand sometimes, right?

SPEAKER_00 39:36

Right.

SPEAKER_02 39:36

I mean, it'd be interesting now that you mentioned that.

SPEAKER_00 39:38

How it would have played it's supposed to be Anthony Michael Hall makes a girl, and that's it. Just that's why I picked Ex Machina, not so much that I love this movie, I just thought there's a parallel. Sure, I get it. Um I was gonna say, why why it's pretty good, but although I could definitely see this movie without him. I could see a version of this movie with just Anthony Michael Hall, and that might have been a way different movie.

SPEAKER_02 39:57

Right, that's what I was gonna that's what I was hitting on. That that I would be interested to see it, right? Right. How it would have played with the singular so the two because I mean, no offense to uh what's his name? Elon Elon Mitchell Smith because he was kind of dry in certain sequences.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

And there's a reason why he hasn't really acted in too much of anything else.

SPEAKER_02 40:17

Well, there was a movie he did before this, and it was kind of called The Wildlife, and it was um marketed similar to Fast Times, and he's in it, and that movie was thumbstaff. Right, it was not a good movie, even for me back then watching it. I was because you're a teenager expecting, and then you get wait, where is it? Where's the real movie, right? So yeah, and yeah, in fairness, and I'm not trying to be mean to Mr. Mitchell Smith.

SPEAKER_00 40:44

Yeah, I'm sure he's a great guy, he's like a professor or something of medieval literature or some shit. Something like that, right?

SPEAKER_02 40:48

Yeah, but he just not an actor.

SPEAKER_00 40:52

Right.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

And you know, I mean, you don't know when you're young, you think, and they're offering you these roles.

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Right. So why not? Sure. I mean, he's he's almost like a straight man to Anthony Michael Hall. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:04

It's like a Lauren Laurel Hardy, you know, Avan Costello, whatever, right? Yeah, I see what you're saying.

SPEAKER_00 41:10

Right. I mean, and he doesn't for the jokes that Anthony Michael Hall is making, he didn't really need a straight man, but that's whatever. But that's our point. Teach their own.

SPEAKER_02 41:18

It would be interesting to see it if you could watch both versions, one with the duo, one with the singular, but it can't be done.

SPEAKER_00 41:24

Exactly. Just all that stuff. If I think about him not being in the movie, whereas, you know, Chet is Anthony McLahl's brother instead of just his friend's brother. Right. That would have just been more direct. I don't know, just would have been more direct. I mean, their chemistry actually was it, Bill Paxton? Is that his name?

SPEAKER_02 41:40

Yes, Bill Paxton.

SPEAKER_00 41:41

The lake their chemistry is Bill Paxton. But anyway, whatever.

SPEAKER_02 41:47

No, no, I know. I get what you're saying.

SPEAKER_00 41:49

Yeah. So um, yeah, I thought that Anthony Michael Hall, I think, is his real muse. He's done, I feel like, four movies that Hughes is involved in, whereas she's done three. And he's also was supposed to be Hughes wrote the part Ducky for Anthony Michael Hall. I read that to turn it down, then they got John Cryer, but they had someone else before Cryer too. Right. I forgot. Downey Jr. No. Somebody else. It was Doug. Was it okay? Yeah. So well it Cryer was like the second or third. Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 42:17

Yes, you're right. It was Downey because Molly was like, oh, I would definitely because the original but for Pretty in Pink was Ducky and her, but Molly Ringwald's kind of vehicle, but was it Andrew McCarthy?

SPEAKER_00 42:32

Yes. Yeah, was the choosing between the the love triangle thing, yeah. Sure.

SPEAKER_02 42:38

Uh anyway, we digress.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

Yeah, and also Furious Wheeler, the role of Cameron, was written for Hall.

SPEAKER_02 42:43

Huh. That's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 42:44

And he turned it down for some other movie Hughes don't.

SPEAKER_02 42:46

I'll still take Alan Rook, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

And Hall passed on European vacation to do this movie.

SPEAKER_02 42:53

Smart.

SPEAKER_00 42:53

That was not directed by Hughes, although he did the first one. Right. I think the second one was Amy Heckerling or something like that. Um, as it turns out, that movie went on to make 49 mil, whereas Weird Science made 38.

SPEAKER_03 43:06

But what?

SPEAKER_00 43:08

Yeah. It did better than I thought it did. Although I think I feel like Vacation did so well, I think people were just like, oh, this is the next one. That was funny, so let me go watch this. But then after that, it kind of went there's two more after that? One more, at least one more with Chevy, and then that remake they did that was we shouldn't even mention.

SPEAKER_02 43:28

There's only two vacation movies for me that I really consider vacation movies. Really?

SPEAKER_00 43:32

Which ones?

SPEAKER_02 43:33

The original and Christmas.

SPEAKER_00 43:34

Oh, right, right, right. Okay. So European. With Christmas after European. Yes. Okay, yeah. Gotcha.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

I saw European and it no.

SPEAKER_00 43:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:42

Yeah, no. I mean, to each his own, if you like it, good for you. For me, no.

SPEAKER_00 43:46

Right. In a word, no. No. Um I would say that Weird Sides is more of a cult classic, and EV was savaged by critics. Thirty seven percent of Rotten Tomatoes. Your favorite? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

My favorite.

SPEAKER_00 43:59

Um Movie also stars Elon Mike Mitchell Smith, as I said, is Wyatt and Kelly LeBrock. Whoa. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:06

Your boy gave it three out of four stars. Yeah. Called LeBrock wonderful. Mm-hmm. It's only because he was yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:13

He had a she was good. I mean, she's good for the role. I mean, she didn't do she didn't have much of a career either, but for this role, she's perfect, I thought.

SPEAKER_02 44:21

She was in a woman in red, and she was in uh one of Stig Seagall's movies because they got married afterwards.

SPEAKER_00 44:26

So anyway, uh she married Seagall. That's that's just shows she has bad judgment right there.

SPEAKER_02 44:35

So exactly.

SPEAKER_00 44:36

Uh Hughes and Hall chose Mitchell Smith because of his nerdy appearance and his squeaky voice, which is I don't know why they would do that. I guess I thought that was funny. It's kind of it got it got old really fast, actually.

SPEAKER_02 44:47

Thank you.

SPEAKER_00 44:48

Uh no one else is considered for the role as it originally was supposed to be Hall by himself, as I mentioned that. Right. Studio X wanted that there would be a duo. They insisted it had to be a duo. Stupid studio exactly. Yeah, because all the teen comedies at the time had a group of young boys or whatever, or two, or whatever. So it couldn't be just one guy by himself. Anyway. Uh Demi Moore, Robin Wright, and reportedly Sharon Stone were considered for the role of Lisa, but they took the roles too seriously, all three of them. And I can kind of see that happening. Because they both all three of them went on to be actors.

SPEAKER_02 45:19

Right. I was gonna say that's that's the difference. I mean, um and this is a light movie, it's a light throwaway B movie. Kelly LeBrock, more of a model, obviously. Right, not really, yeah. And yeah, she played it well. You're right. If them trying to be serious, it would totally dilute what you're trying to do.

SPEAKER_00 45:36

Pearls before swine. You're you're like it's not necessary. Yeah. Because I can see all three of them went on to do critically acclaimed work not too long after this. So it's like I can see that not being the fit.

SPEAKER_02 45:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 45:48

Uh they call they hired uh Kelly Imberg, another model, she was fired or whatever after a couple days, and they brought in Kelly Le Brock Kelly LeBrock, who had originally turned it down because she was doing something else. Um, Hughes wanted Lisa to be a like a manic pixie dream girl, and she kind of did fit that role. She's kind of like from seeing the scene, she's kind of like all over the place, but she's not really serious or grounded or whatever. She's kind of just there and doing shit, magic shit. For I mean, it's like I started thinking like she's a computer made by the computer, but she's making cars out of like thin air or whatever. How does she how does she do that? Anyway, it's just like you just can't even take it seriously. So it's like it's just you just gotta turn your brain off and and and just watch. And just watch. It's like stepbrothers something. Don't try to make sense of it. It's just it's just bit after bit.

SPEAKER_02 46:38

It's just comedy, it's not meant to be serious, but yes, I know.

SPEAKER_00 46:42

So she was perfect for that because she couldn't really I don't think she has those kind of acting chops where she's gonna that range, she's definitely not gonna be in character on the set, let's put it that way.

SPEAKER_02 46:51

Right.

SPEAKER_00 46:51

Lisa was named after the first home uh Apple computer. Oh. First computer with a modern style G UI. Um, that's why they got the name Lisa. I like the fact that Robert Downey Jr. was brought in to play the bully.

SPEAKER_02 47:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:05

And uh what's the guy at Robert Rustler's name? Right. The other bully. And I actually like I think he's actually funnier than Robert Downey Jr. in this movie at least.

SPEAKER_02 47:14

Well, because Downey Jr. is more smarmy, whereas Rustler's just dumb. Kind of. He's just he's kind of like Biff. I mean, prior, you know, episode.

SPEAKER_00 47:25

That's right. It is funny, it makes me laugh thinking about it.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

Hey, brother, what's happening, the main man? Right up. Scotch! Straight up. I'll give you the whole bottle. Tell you what. You better know. Not showing straight up your ass.

SPEAKER_06 47:43

On the rocks is fine.

SPEAKER_00 47:51

Because he's not the shape. They did a stupid laugh. Right. It's like, yeah, that's just they just kind of remind me of like high school shit.

SPEAKER_02 48:02

Right.

SPEAKER_00 48:03

Not to mention the fact that the mall is packed. That's not a thing anymore.

SPEAKER_02 48:06

Mall.

SPEAKER_00 48:07

Yeah. Yeah. What mall?

SPEAKER_02 48:09

I mean, they exist, right? I've we have one for kicks and giggles sometimes. You walk in there and you're like, why did I do this again?

SPEAKER_00 48:15

Yeah. It's like it's a ghost one.

SPEAKER_02 48:18

That was the zygest of malls, because they were newer then. Yeah. Right. And that was a that's where we as kids, we'd always end at the mall.

SPEAKER_00 48:26

Right. You could just go to the mall for no reason. You have money or not, you just go and just hang out, see other people there from your shoulders. What's up, dude? Yeah, exactly. That's not really a thing anymore. That's an it's kind of a nice nostalgic thing, too. Sure. For 80s, and it be playing music and that you liked or the food court or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 48:44

Yeah, they well, back then they had the arcades. Right. Right? Was it gold mine in ours?

SPEAKER_00 48:49

Right oh, yeah. Jesus. Yeah. That was those are the days.

SPEAKER_02 48:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 48:52

Anyway, that's the cast. Uh this basic synopsis is that um uh these two boys who aren't experienced with girls are nerds.

SPEAKER_02 49:00

Wyatt and Gary.

SPEAKER_00 49:01

Wyatt and Gary. They uh White has a new computer that he got from his parents, and they try to um on Anthony Michael's suggestion, they try to make a woman. And they're it's basically an AI, which is also again why I picked this movie to go with ex machina. I remember his idea was like, let's make something in the computer, we can ask it questions about women and we can actually sexual stuff, whatever. Sure. And through some glitch or something, end up making a real woman, 3D woman or whatever, which is nuts. Like right off the bat, you have to just turn your brain off because of that shit. They have a Barbie doll connected to like you know, jumper cables, electrodes and all that, right? So it's nuts. But anyway, um, this woman they've created then proceeds to try to make them cool kids or just normal, really.

SPEAKER_02 49:49

She wants them to give, she's trying to instill confidence.

SPEAKER_00 49:52

Right.

SPEAKER_02 49:53

They're nerds, but she's trying to instill something more. The way she dresses them, like snaps her fingers and magically right, and they have these nice suits on.

SPEAKER_00 50:00

Right. I love that scene where he's got this stupid red blazer on, or he looks like an insurance salesman, Andy McHall. And he's got like a drink box.

SPEAKER_02 50:10

Little apple box, right? The apple juice, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:13

He's such a nerd, and then she snaps her finger and they got these nice tailored suits on or whatever. Right. And then uh she's trying to get them to be, you know, get like you said, build up their confidence. She takes them to this bar, that's the first thing that happens, which is uh uh offensive number one. Sure. No, that's actually number two. Making the woman is offensive number one. Sure. Uh offensive number two is going to a predominantly black bar and using a weird black scent, which is not you'd not don't do that in 2026. Right. Get your ass kicked. Um I personally thought that shit was funny when I was a kid and saw this movie. I thought Anthony Michael Hall with the fucking pimp hat on with the feather. It's nuts, man. I thought it was crazy.

SPEAKER_05 50:55

You know, listening to this blues music reminds me of my own tribes and tribulations as a young guy, and um, you know, my folks, they really, really dump on me. They really do. I say you guys get along with your parents. I guess you guys moved out by none of them, huh? Um, what's this, sir? Um, looks very sweet from both these gentlemen, but I really don't need some emergency room, huh?

SPEAKER_06 51:44

What is a beautiful brum with a malaka like this, huh? It's really sexual. Number six.

SPEAKER_05 51:53

She's in the malakazina.

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She's in the middle of the day.

SPEAKER_00 52:11

Um but anyway, she tries to get them to do that. Um they get drunk and just try to get them to loosen up. Long story short, uh, she takes them to some other scenarios where she tries to get them to show their confidence they don't really get get it.

SPEAKER_02 52:27

No.

SPEAKER_00 52:27

And then at one point, um RDJ and Russell, the bullies, they see that this LeBron is hanging out with them. They try to uh offensive thing number three, they try to trade their girlfriends.

SPEAKER_02 52:39

We'll trade you for Lisa.

SPEAKER_00 52:41

We'll trade you or girlfriend. Right. Oh man, that's not politically incorrect or anything. No, so not at all. That's totally fine. Um uh they try to trade their women, and the boys say, No, we won't do that, but we'll make you a woman or whatever. Lisa gets mad at them for doing that, and she sets them up for the final boss challenge. That's we're gonna bring the Road Warrior crew in here to, you know, fuck up this party we're having for you and try to get you to like do or die. You're gonna have to put up or shut up.

SPEAKER_02 53:12

Right.

SPEAKER_00 53:13

And so that's basically the premise of the movie.

SPEAKER_02 53:15

Right.

SPEAKER_00 53:15

Um, that they need to have everything really in life is about confidence, really. It is um, not so much about being a nerd or being cool or whatever, just having the confidence to stand up for yourself and believe in yourself. I think that's the moral of the movie.

SPEAKER_02 53:28

True.

SPEAKER_00 53:28

And I think they do eventually learn that at the end.

SPEAKER_02 53:31

So trust in themselves. It was always there, but she just pushed it along.

SPEAKER_00 53:37

Right. You had it in you all along. Um, that courage that they show at the end, which I won't go into that, uh, was something that she didn't instill in them necessarily. They just had it, you know, they just figured it out or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 53:49

Well, when you get prodded enough and someone shows you what you're capable of, it was there all along, but you didn't realize until that little final push.

SPEAKER_00 53:57

Yeah, that little push, yeah. Uh box office budget was seven and a half mil and it gross 38, which is not bad, right?

SPEAKER_02 54:04

It's almost six. Yeah, you know, it's decent.

SPEAKER_00 54:08

Uh like you said, Roger Ebert gave it three out of four stars. He said it was basically better than it had a right to be. I think that's accurate. Uh Siskel gave it one and a half stars out of four and said it was a disappointment. He said the ID was good, but Hughes turned it into a vulgar, mindless special effects, cluttered wasteland. Uh 60% of Rotten Tomatoes, which is actually not bad. It's a D grade.

SPEAKER_02 54:31

But yeah.

SPEAKER_00 54:32

Uh movie did well enough to spawn a TV show that ran for five fucking seasons somehow.

SPEAKER_02 54:37

Somehow, and it had Vanessa Angel. Right. Um, she actually became more famous from the movie Kingpin.

SPEAKER_00 54:45

Oh, right, right, right. Okay. Was she uh dating Johnny Depp? He dated everybody. I'm sure he did.

SPEAKER_02 54:52

Yes, I'm sure he did.

SPEAKER_00 54:53

Uh at least one serious attempt at a remake was attempted in 2013 with original producer Joel Silver and screenwriter Michael Bacall, who did 21 Jump Street later on, the movie. The movie, right? Scott Pilgrim. This with the remake was gonna be two girls creating the perfect man that was gonna be Channing Tatum. And uh this is I just wanted to point this out because we have talked a few times about the whole thing about you can't do that nowadays, blah blah blah, that trope. Right. Well, this is one of those that this is an example of that because they got win of this idea of Channing Tatum being with these underage girls, and they're like, no, fuck no. No, I don't care how hot Channing Tatum is, we're not making that movie. Oh god, and it just stalled out, even though they had Joel Silver and a lot of backing and everything. Um, so that that did not happen.

SPEAKER_02 55:44

And that was before the hashtag me too movement, too.

SPEAKER_00 55:47

Oh yeah, but still 2013, yeah. You're like they were like, no, no, we're not gonna be doing that. And but it's funny because and the reason I also brought that up is because that's the exact premise of this movie, but the genders are reversed. Right. And this movie got greenlit, so I I know it was a different time, obviously. But even then, people were like, uh, I think I want to say Mitchell Smith was fifteen or sixteen. Something like that, yeah. And she's twenty-five-ish or whatever. Kelly. Yeah, so they got him like she got her kissing this under, and they're talking about sex and all that.

SPEAKER_02 56:21

And right.

SPEAKER_00 56:23

I don't know. It's just it's just interesting. Interesting. Let's just leave it at that. Right.

SPEAKER_02 56:28

We're not saying that in a positive, but it's I don't advocate any of that.

SPEAKER_00 56:31

Sure. I'm not for or against it. I just there's parts of this movie that I really enjoy. Um I think, like I said, it's one of my favorite John Hughes movies, although I wouldn't say like movies in general. It's one of those movies if it's on, there's some classic lines to it. I love the uh Anthony McGill Hall being drunk in the club. That's pretty funny.

SPEAKER_02 56:51

Chet, you stewed, Budwad. Uh Bill Paxton did a great job.

SPEAKER_00 56:57

Yeah, definitely. I mean, I'm so uh that's all I got for that one. I would say um I would say good if it's on, watch it. If not, I wouldn't go out and pursue it or anything like that.

SPEAKER_02 57:08

Sure. Um I agree with that sentiment. I mean, it's good, not great. Um I own it and you watch it on I saw that it was on this one too, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:19

I watched it on because I know Oh, YouTube, because it was free. Oh, yeah. Uh there's a free version, and I guess maybe an extended one that you have to pay for. I don't know. Yeah, no, I'm not doing that. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 57:31

What can they add?

SPEAKER_00 57:32

Even if it's four bucks, I don't know. What can they do with this? I frankly, whenever they say extra footage, it's never worth a shit. Never. Not not ever. Because the footage they cut out, they cut it out for a reason.

SPEAKER_02 57:43

Right.

SPEAKER_00 57:43

So because it wasn't good or wasn't good enough. So it's never oh, it's got bonus footage. No, it doesn't. Or cut out this guy bonus scenes. Well, they cut them out for a reason, so they can't be that good. But yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:01

It's worth the watch on an afternoon, but I wouldn't necessarily double feature with ex machina.

SPEAKER_00 58:07

There you go. Ex machina and weird science. Boom. Those movies are exactly alike. Although they're not that different, you know. Yeah. They're two two creepy dudes making women and trying to have sex with them.

SPEAKER_02 58:22

Well, one succeeds, one doesn't, but okay.

SPEAKER_00 58:25

Uh yeah, that's well, that's right. Yeah, they never do uh have sex with Lisa, right?

SPEAKER_02 58:29

No. It's always kind of intimated, like gross.

SPEAKER_00 58:32

Sorry, gross myself out. All right. That's all I have for this one. We're already way over.

SPEAKER_02 58:38

That's that's all I got, kids. Okay. Till next time. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 58:41

Okay. Like uh Tony Montana. Next time, uh, I was thinking to go along with the 50s thing of uh Back to the Future, I would do uh Some Mike It Hot. Yeah, 59. What? Holy crap. See a real 50s movie. Although because I was gonna say I didn't get into it, but I'm not a fan of uh period movies that go back to the 50s because there's always that kind of um I don't know. They're they don't get the I don't I don't think they get the zeitgeist quite right.

SPEAKER_02 59:14

Right.

SPEAKER_00 59:15

And in Back for the Future I didn't think they necessarily got it right. I was thinking like the cars are also shiny and everything looks like it looks like a set. And it doesn't fair enough. I mean, so I was thinking, you know what, I'd like to see a real 50s movie. And just to kind of get that going.

SPEAKER_02 59:28

Let me ponder on that what I'm gonna pick. I like that you picked uh I thought something like a hot was the 60s.

SPEAKER_00 59:34

59. Oh I looked it up. Last. Yeah, don't try to correct me.

SPEAKER_02 59:39

I'll look something up and I'll I'll go with that. I'll let you know.

SPEAKER_00 59:43

Yeah, I want to kind of just see the and it I love that movie. This is not uh so I'm into the movies I'm picking now are not movies that nestly I saw and liked, and this is I'm recommending these are more like experimental, you know. I want to just go see what's up with that.

SPEAKER_02 59:56

I love some like it hot. It's a great great movie.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:00

All right, well, we'll have that next week along with something else.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:04

I will let you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:05

All right.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:09

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