Episode 43 Some Like it Hot (1959) and The Seven Year Itch

Dave & Christopher review the 1958 American comedy classic, "Some Like it Hot" starring Marilyn Monroe, Tony Curtis and Jack Lemmon and directed by Billy Wilder

They also review the 1955 romantic comedy "The Seven Year Itch"  starring Marilyn Monroe and Tom Ewell and directed  by Billy Wilder

"Ride Captain Ride "© writers: Mike Pinera, Frank "Skip" Konte  performed by Blues Image

Transcript

Some Like It Hot

SPEAKER_01 0:24

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SPEAKER_04 0:31

Alright, so time for another episode of Let's Go Get's Go Get Some Ice Cream. So this week we're doing two Marilyn Monroe movies. Coincidentally. Yeah. What a coincidence that you picked one after I picked them. Right. Both directed by the same director. Yeah. Mr. Billy Wilder. We're doing, well, my pick first is Some Like It Hot. And Dave chose the seven-year itch, which we'll get to in a moment. Start out with Some Like It Hot. Um, so I'm going to say that another time it's another episode of the Hot Take Corner. I did not enjoy this movie. What? And I know I'm in the minority. Um I did not find this movie funny. I don't I don't remember laughing once. I don't mean to I'm not gonna drag this movie through the mud because I know a lot of you like it. As a matter of fact, I was just gonna get to the fact that I watched this movie and I had felt nothing. And I was told leading up to this that this is the one of the best comedies ever made, if not the best. And I thought, well, I must have been distracted or something. Maybe that's what it is. So I watched it again, same thing. And then I went online to look at what other podcasters were saying when they reviewed it, and even the thumbnails, when you go to look at YouTube, the people that are reviewing it, they're like, oh, they're all laughing and you know, you know, having a good old time, you know, shooting off fireworks and shit. I just did not get it. Um, just didn't do anything for me. I'm sorry. Uh and you know, I'm I'm saying that to get across the point that that's just my opinion. I'm not saying anything about the merits of the movie itself or anything like that. Uh it's one of those things like this movie and the last Spider-Man movie. Everyone loved both of those movies, and I just yeah, didn't didn't get it. So um uh I like I said, I went and looked online to see what other people were reviewing it, everyone loved it. They were laughing at points that things that I didn't find to be particularly funny, uh, and I was like, well, let me see where the negative reviews and there were none. So I was like, wow, it must just be me. Something that must be wrong with me. So anyway, but um I'm still gonna uh go over some of the Wikipedia entries here just to say about the talk about the synopsis of the movie. So Sun Like It Hot is a 1959 American, let's say crime comedy, I don't know about that comedy, film produced, co-written, and directed by Billy Wilder. And if I can just interject here, I did like The Apartment, which is also by Billy Wilder. That one I really did enjoy. So it's not necessarily a oh, it's a black and white movie, it's the 50s, whatever. It's just this specific movie just didn't do it for me. Anyway, it stars Marilyn Monroe, of course. This is the first Marilyn Monroe movie that I've ever seen. And the movie you picked was the second one, obviously. Uh stars Marilyn Monroe, uh Tony Curtis, and Jack Lemon primarily. Also, uh secondarily George Raft, Pat O'Brien, and Joey Brown. Joey Brown plays the older millionaire guy that ends up with Jack Lemon's character. Or he's trying to get with Jack Lemon's character. What's her name? Josephine?

SPEAKER_01 4:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 4:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:04

Well, Daphne's what she is.

SPEAKER_04 4:06

Daphne, okay. Daphne and Josephine. So uh I don't George Raft is what, one of the gangsters?

SPEAKER_01 4:12

He yeah. That they have a little thing with in the beginning of the movie, because they're in Chicago, they play in a band, one plays what is um Lemon says he plays the well it's the bass, but he said call it something else. Oh yeah, I forgot.

SPEAKER_04 4:26

Yeah, and then some old 50s slang or something.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

Bernard Schwartz, I aka that's his real name, Tony Curtis Um played plays the Sacks. Okay. So but they have a run-in with the gangsters because they're just saying, what does George Raft play?

SPEAKER_04 4:42

He's the the gangster, the main Chicago and American film actor, portrayal of gangsters and crime melodramas.

SPEAKER_01 4:50

Oh, spats, okay. Because every time you see before he walks in, they go to his shoes, which that's another word back in the day for especially a certain type of style of shoe was spats. But that's to cover the shoes, yeah. Yeah. And that's what he's known for. So every time you see him, and they that's their run in the that's his kind of trademark.

SPEAKER_04 5:10

He's a snappy dresser or whatever. Right. Gangster's probably got a lot of money, so he spends it on clothes. And his Harvard lawyers, quote unquote, Harvard lawyers.

SPEAKER_01 5:18

Harvard, right?

SPEAKER_04 5:19

Yeah. Air quotes, yeah. Uh screenplay was by Wilder and IAL Diamond, based on a screenplay by Robert Thorne and Michael Logan from the 1935 French film Fanfare of Love. Also, there's another movie called Sun Like It Hot, which is 20 years earlier, which was uh I want to say Bob Hope. Anyway, I didn't watch that one, so but it exists. Uh Sun Like It Hot opened a critical commercial success and is considered to be one of the greatest films ever made. I disagree. I'm sorry. I all of you are wrong, and I'm right. That's the way it is. No, I'm just kidding. Incorrect. The film received six Academy Award nominations, including Best Actor, Best Director, and Best Adapted Screenplay, winning for best costume design. I can buy that. Good costumes. And 1989, the Library of Congress selected as one of the first 25 films for preservation in the United States National Film Registry for being, quote, culturally, historically, or aesthetically significant. You don't, but you don't see that. What's that? But you don't see it that way. That's fine. No, no, no. I'm well, I was gonna say I'm not like you. I'm not like most people, insofar as like it's I'm saying it's my opinion. No, no. And I could be wrong. I'm saying not only is it just my opinion, because a lot of people nowadays say my opinion equals fact, that's not the case at all. My thing is like maybe I'm missing something, and that's what I was gonna let you talk, and maybe something that you say will go, they'll go, oh, that's what it is that I'm not as opposed to like, well, I didn't like it, so therefore it's objectively bad. That's just not the way I operate.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

So I mean you and I talk all the time, and fair enough. What I might like, you might not like, and vice versa, and that's what we're trying to get across. That these are just our opinions, and out of that, maybe someone will agree with you that didn't like it for whatever reason. Uh I love the movie. Um, I think part of it's because it was the first where the males dressing as a woman, you know, this precedes. Right. What bosom buddies, uh the Julietsi? Andrew Andrews, the uh what's the one where she's the I can't remember the title of it. Julie Andrews? She did a movie where she was I can't think of the title. But there's a yeah, cross-dressing it to put it in those terms. And to me it was done comedically. It was the comedic effect worked for me. I love the movie, but I can't really I could sit here and try to, and I'm not trying to sell you because No, no, no, that's exactly what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_04 7:44

I'm saying that, like I said, I think some people, a lot of people nowadays will say it's my opinion that blah, blah, blah. This I get it. And they're like, that equals it's a fact. And what I'm saying is this is my opinion, but I could be wrong. I could be persuaded, maybe I'm missing something. As I said, I watched it the first time, I had felt pretty much nothing. And then I was like, well, I must be wrong because all you people are saying it's great, so which lends me to believe that I must be missing something. It's possible that I'm not, but it's possible that I am. So I'm saying that I was gonna let you kind of um speak about it at some point, and then maybe I'm missing something. And that cross-rushing thing, and I actually did think that, and I thought maybe it's because I've seen it so often, but what I was thinking before I left today is that when this was made in the 50s in the 50s, uh, there's also this thing about the Hayes Code, which I'll get into in a second. Yeah, that this was revolutionary, I imagine. I wasn't there, but I'm imagining everyone was really more conservative, society's more conservative, so therefore you have these two straight men not only cross-resting, but even intimating some homosexual stuff going on with her, with with Jack Lemon kind of accepts that this guy's gonna marry him just for the money, which is not if you're a conservative, that's that's a no-go.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

Well, that's very progressive, fair back, even really back then, right?

SPEAKER_04 9:04

But nowadays it's like, oh, I've seen that every actor I've ever I know of has done cross-track.

SPEAKER_01 9:09

And I just thought that the the movie is Victor Victoria, the one with Julie Andrew.

SPEAKER_04 9:13

Right. So um Tom Hanks, our one of our greatest actors, bosom buddies, he did a whole fucking show about how he was dressed like a woman. So it's like it's nice. It's like, okay, who cares? But back then, I will give it credit for that, because then it's like maybe that's why people are so like high on it, especially back then, because it was you know, it's groundbreaking. Right. I mean, I get that part of it. That part I understand.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

I just I think the chemistry between the two, I mean, even Tony Curtis and Jack Lemon, who I think is a great actor for his time. And I haven't really it's gonna sound funny, but I honestly I haven't I've seen Tony Curtis in a few roles. I haven't seen him in all of his roles. I mean, I love him in Houdini, which is a you know, older film, and I think that was even before this, because he had established himself.

SPEAKER_04 9:58

I don't know if he did Spartacus part of this or after this, but well, Houdini was the role that Billy Wilder saw him in to cast him in this. Okay. So Spartacus might have been after, but yeah. Yeah, they they they do have good chemistry, him and Jack Lemon.

SPEAKER_01 10:14

Um if I can interject, I think part of it, I'm nothing against Miss Monroe. She's not Oh I I think that's part of it for you too. Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 10:24

Um part of it was for no, that's the part that I like. Oh, really? Oh, okay. Carolyn Monroe is um uh she's impossibly good looking, maybe one of the best looking women I've ever seen. Right. And uh just looking at her, it's like I know they didn't have AI back then, but it's like there's no way a person, any person, woman, man, anything could look that perfect. And and I from what I understand, because I I I researched this heavily because, like I said, I was so like didn't get the reaction I thought I was gonna get. I really dug into it. But I what I understand is that she was just kind of feeling herself by this time in her career. She kind of knew who she was, and she was giving everybody shit on the on the set. And I guess it was like Billy Wilder said, I'll never work with her again. I'm too old and I'm too rich, is this famous quote which I love.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

There's a thing, I don't know if you read about it, there's a certain scene that had to do multiple takes. She could not get it. It is a simple line. I forget the line, but it was real simple, and it was like It's me sugar was the line.

SPEAKER_04 11:24

Well, one of the lines that she but they they were saying, I've heard things saying that she fucked it up on purpose to fuck with because she's like, I'm Meryl Monroe. Oh, that's right. What are you gonna do about it? Right. Because she wanted certain things changed in the script and they wouldn't do it, so she was like, Okay, we'll see. You know, okay, I'll agree, I'll send the deadline, and then I'm gonna fuck you up. So, and I could see that. I can see that happening. I don't know the lady personally, obviously. Well, you will never know now, but yeah. Uh she's she's enough of a star where I could see her holding people hostage. Right, and she did. And unfortunately. If you don't give me what I want, okay, I'll just what's what's the line again? It's me, sugar. I can't I just can't get it. I'm sorry, it's three words.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

Are you perfectly me, which, what? As you're saying it, and they're like, oh God, come on, you know, like okay, okay, Marilyn, it's it's blah blah blah. Oh, okay. And you and after a while, you know, it's like, but yeah, I can see your point.

SPEAKER_04 12:13

Because to be fair, she said that she didn't like playing a dumb blonde. And so it could be one of those things, oh, okay, you want me to be a dumb blonde? I'll show you what a dumb blonde is. What's the line? I can't I can't, I just I'm too stupid. I can't get it, Billy.

SPEAKER_01 12:28

It's unfortunate because I mean that's what she in the beginning kind of got her into Hollywood was playing that little Ditzy blind. The ditzy blonde, yeah. Right. And there's a point, I get it, but I mean compared to what we are now as far as for actresses as opposed to then, I mean, they didn't have any say. I mean, that was her way of kind of you know, I'm gonna stick up for myself. Right.

SPEAKER_04 12:48

You need me, I don't necessarily need you.

SPEAKER_01 12:50

Who else are you gonna replace me with?

SPEAKER_04 12:52

This movie is literally centered on those three. Like I said, she's amazing looking. And I mean, there's I mean, I can I guess they talked about a few people, and I can't think of the names off offhand. Uh not Rita Hayworth, but they talked about I think Billy Wilder said at some point, I don't need I'll get somebody else, and anyway, yeah, there's some of the things. But it's like you can't I mean she makes the movie. I watched this movie because of her. And even though I like Jack Lemon, I had never seen anything with Tony Curtis, but I you know I respect his work. But it was Marilyn Monroe, she's an icon. Oh yeah. So, you know, I I will definitely give them that. And yeah, but like Billy, I guess she did um was it uh Seven Your Itch, right? Well, it will with her.

SPEAKER_01 13:36

That was prior to this before this, and that was it's funny you mentioned the Hayes code because I watched a little thing behind it, but I'll get to that on the next segment. But um like I said, I think the chemistry between the three of them is great. I mean yes, I'll give you that. Um the other cast characters, I mean, even George Raff, and the rumor is that he was tied supposedly as a gangster, but with real gangsters? But that never really what I read real brief, not true. He was like a dancer and stuff, but so that's kind of a rumor about him. Right. And the just this the gist of this the story is that um the team.

SPEAKER_04 14:08

Well I get the plot right here. Uh Prohibition Air of Chicago, Joe is a jazz saxophone player. Yeah. And irresponsible impulsive gambler, Joe is uh Tony Curtis, and ladies' man. Jerry, his anxious friend, uh, is a jazz double bass player. They work in a speakeasy owned by local mafia boss, Spats Columbo. There is stur draft. Tipped off by informant toothpick, Charlie, the police raid the joint. Joe and Jerry escape, but they accidentally went to Spats and essentially gutting down Toothpick, which was yeah, their incident inspired by the St. Valentine's Day Massacre.

SPEAKER_01 14:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 14:38

Yeah, I will say that when that scene came up, I was like, when they came up with their, they got the line of the guys with the machine guns. I'm like, well, they're definitely not gonna show it. And it's not like today. Today you see blood, no, yeah. And I was like, well, how are they gonna do this and have it be menacing? And it's I I give them the credit they they did. They they didn't show the victims getting hit, they just showed the guy shooting, and you know except the Wilas gun to cut you off.

SPEAKER_01 15:00

Yeah, don't got where toothpick, right? He's still alive, and Spats grabs him and they did show. He's like, I mean, it's not like they don't show blood though a little bit. They showed that he got hit, but not like today where there's the squibs and but they show where he got hit, and there's uh it shows blood on the already, and he's uh, you know. But point of it is you're right. It it was still mild.

SPEAKER_04 15:22

It's a different era, it's not yeah, we're not there. So I was kind of anticipating like how are they gonna pull that off? But they did, it was actually pretty menacing. Uh Spats and the gang see them as they flee. Um broke terror de broke, terrified, desperate to leave Chicago, Joe and Jerry disguise themselves as women named Josephine and Daphne so they can join uh all female band that's headed to Miami to get away from the gangsters. Well, yeah, because they're looking for they're kind of down on the luck. Well, not down in the luck, they're just they're musicians, they're regular musicians. I was gonna say down on the luck.

SPEAKER_01 15:52

Set musicians, maybe even? What's that? Like set musicians, like today, right?

SPEAKER_04 15:55

Yeah, they're like session musicians. Um they get paid, they do that for a living, but it's always like it's not steady work. You have to always have that next gig lined up, or else you you run out of money. So before they witness this, they um they get offered this. Well, they don't want to offer they find out about a gig with this female band.

SPEAKER_01 16:15

Well, one of the girls like, well, we can't do that because that Joe is it's one of her she works in that office, right? It's like the receptionist or something. Right. And she and Joe plays on her emotions with because he's really flirty, and they may have had a little liaison or whatever, right? Right. And she purposes mad because Joe had didn't he pissed her off. Right. So So she sets him up. So they set so like, oh, we have this gig, and they're like, Well, and you know, Joe and Jerry, Josephine and Daphne, run into the thought, hey, we'll play it, and like we can be 25, and they're like, But you gotta be a woman, right? And then this is where Jack Lemon's character Jerry is like, and Tony Kurz is like, no, like we can't do it, but because of circumstances, because of the witnessing the circumstances, right? They have to next thing we see well, it's cut, right? Then we see them walking down the train and their dress, and it's to me that's funny. And drag, yeah. Right. And then of course, we pick up this is where we're Marilyn Monroe comes in the and you know, the camera zooms in and it zooms on her from the backside. It's funny because he goes, I never knew that. What uh Jack Lemon says something about Jell O'Coach on stilts or something like that.

SPEAKER_04 17:25

Yeah. I was like, that's kind of racy for the I mean I again I wasn't alive then, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 17:30

But Billy Wilder, though, was known for in his dialogue in some of his movies for being a little pushing the edge. Yeah. Still kind of in that conservative, but I mean, yeah, those little things, and you have to catch it, right?

SPEAKER_04 17:42

And I mean, but just the shot of her walking specifically her ass.

SPEAKER_01 17:46

Again, I mean, that's the collaboration between the director of photography or your cinematographer and the director, right? That is, because what are you gonna get away with, right? Yeah, and she's a stunning woman.

SPEAKER_04 17:58

Yeah, to say the least.

SPEAKER_01 17:59

And you could film that in, make a joke about it, haha, see? Oh, we're we're okay. But you and I know it's obviously it's blatant. You're the sex, you're selling it. Yeah, and she's all sex appeal.

SPEAKER_04 18:12

Because the two guys are ogling her, even in their drag, they're like, oh my god. Right. Uh and then of course I think they both set their sights on her, but it ends up that uh Tony Curtis has a little bit more uh at first no, because when she when they meet on the train and they're trying to go because he he's wearing a fake padded whatever show he has breast, right?

SPEAKER_01 18:35

Jack Lemon's character, and he goes, You just you know, now we have to go fix it. And when they go into the restroom, because first he's trying to go on the men, he goes, Daphne, and he pulls him like you know, and points to the women's, and then there's sugar cane who's sitting there and she rolls up her skirt, has her garter, she has a little flask, and she's like, Don't tell anybody, because if he does, he's gonna fire me. And the band band director, yeah. Right. Um, so anyway, later on they're rehearsing on the train, they're the band, the the women's band, and of course the flask falls out, and whatever the the guy you were just saying, his name, like, who whose is this? And then Jerry sticks up and goes, Oh, that's mine, and so he takes it away, and then Daff or Sugar goes, so there's kind of a thing between them because later on the train they're asleep, the two, uh Jerry and Joe.

SPEAKER_04 19:25

Right, in the little cabin. Uh huh. Right. And she goes in there and she's all close to him. And he's of course the joke is that he's a straight guy, but he's like, Oh, we're just two girls hanging out. It's like, you know, it's like I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 19:38

I just I just I don't know. I that's the humor to me is funny, and I mean, as a guy, I mean, I'd especially back then. I mean and in this oh, real quick, this movie's also because you picked it's 1959, but it was actually set what 1929? Prohibition's in full effect. Post prohibition or no, it's during prohibition. During prohibition, okay. Because yeah. Well, I mean, even the beginning of the movie when we see the gangsters in the procession that go right in the casket. Yeah, what is that? The hearst.

SPEAKER_04 20:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 20:05

And they're cops are firing, and they when we see liquid falling out, and it's alcohol, that they're taking to a club.

SPEAKER_04 20:12

Right. That Spats owns already, whatever. Just to finish the synopsis, the two musicians become obsessed with sugar, compete for her affections while maintaining their disguises. Right. Sugar confides to Joe that she has sworn off saxophone players. Which he is, her. They are slimy. I see that. That's real. Still is to this day, I'm sorry. Who have taken advantage of her in the past and hopes to find a general be spectacled millionaire in Florida. Again, it kind of reminded me of like a really long episode of Three's Company. Because she's telling him this is the kind of man I want, thinking that she's talking to a woman, and then he takes all that information and becomes that man, or tries to pass himself off as that man. What are the odds of that happening? That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

The Carrie Grant.

SPEAKER_04 21:00

He does this a really overstated voice. Joe woos sugar by posing as junior heir to the Shell Oil fortune, uh, affecting a Cary Grant accent. Right. Uh while feigning indifference to her. He uh also, meanwhile, Osgood Fielding, an actual millionaire, persistently pursues Jerry. It was Daphne, I guess. Yes, whose refusals only fuel his desire. It's funny.

SPEAKER_01 21:25

Actor that you mentioned who plays Joe E. Brown is actually a famous, he was very famous silent actor back in the day. Oh, yeah, I think I read about that. Well, yeah, no offense, but yes. But he was, and that's kind of a catch for Billy Wilder to bring him in after he had been. So yeah, he's like again a very famous silent actor in if of his era.

SPEAKER_04 21:45

Yeah. Uh as junior, um, he tells Sugar the psychological trauma from the death of a former lover has left him impotent, but that he would immediately marry anyone who could cure him, which is such a weird premise. I'm just like ugly. It's just it's hard to it's a comedy, so I you know.

SPEAKER_01 22:02

You have to stretch your Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:04

She's like totally into him. He doesn't have to give her the ruse, which is which comes back to I won't give that away, but comes back around at some point later. I'll just leave it at that. Well anyway, he's given this big ruse to like get her to fall in love with him, and it you know, he may or may not even need to do that.

SPEAKER_01 22:21

Right. Well, keeps kissing him, right? Did it work? No. You know, right, right, right. I mean, any guy, I mean, you're getting Marilyn Monroe on you and Right, right. I mean, but I mean I like it.

SPEAKER_04 22:34

Like she's already into you because you're she's already on the boat with you, so what's this whole thing about? I mean, just yeah, like I said, I just go I overthought that part.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

I think it goes to the conversation because of the sacks plan. He didn't want to, he was trying to play hard to get. He was playing the the female, right?

SPEAKER_04 22:48

Right. Like I'm so gentle, because that's what one thing she said. A gentleman who's like not like a wolf that's always after you trying to hit on me, so that's what he put. Oh, I don't like women. I'm I have this psychological trauma. So she's like, oh. But it's just kind of funny, it's weird. Anyway, almost said it.

SPEAKER_01 23:05

He almost said it. Funny, but that's okay. I'm teasing. I'm teasing.

unknown 23:09

I'm teasing.

SPEAKER_04 23:11

Uh meanwhile, the hotel hosts a conference for the Friends of Italian Opera Society, and that's basically to cut to the chase. The gangsters come for that.

SPEAKER_01 23:19

That's some convention, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:20

Right, the Italian Opera Society, and they see the two men dressed as women, and they recognize them somehow. Well, they don't see see them at first, but later on they go, hey, wait a minute. Have I seen you before? And they're the scene where they're hitting them on hitting on them in the um elevator or whatever. Right. Uh yeah. It's funny. It's just funny. Um it's kind of like the Superman with the glasses. Right. If he has the glasses on, oh uh you look like Superman. You look close. You can't be Superman because you got glasses. Right. It's that kind of thing. Like, don't they? It's Jack Lemon. It's clearly Jack Lemon. It's clearly a dude. But anyway, whatever. Um anyway, so uh the the gangsters do figure it out, so now they're on the run again. As the two try to leave the hotel in male disguises now, they accidentally witness uh Little Bonaparte's little Bonaparte's other. Right. He's the head of the mob. The other, the rival Well, the family, you could say, basically. Yeah, the well, there's two different yeah, Little Bonaparte and Spats are two different warring factions or whatever he has.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

The mob.

SPEAKER_04 24:25

Yeah. Uh and his gangs were bungling the situation in Chicago. Um on the way out, Joe sees Sugar on stage, single lament to lost love, kisses her, then rejoins Jerry in their flight. This is and then at that point, um what, uh Twinny Curses character. He's now he's on the run again from the gangster, so he has to tell her, Oh, I was, you know, I was about to hook up with you real good. I was about to get up in there, but uh I have to bail because then I want to die. Right. But he tells her that he's gonna marry some woman in Venezuela, his mom, who's the rich matriarch or whatever, shale oil, just making him do it, he has no choice. But he feels bad because he has real feelings for her, which is sweet. Uh so he sends her like the di what's that diamond necklace thing or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Well, it's given by the other what's Os was Osgood. Is that his name? I'm trying to remember Osgood, yeah, sent it to actually Daphne.

SPEAKER_04 25:19

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:19

Right, trying to still win her over her, not her, but him is hard to get. And he's still like, oh, I gotta have it now because it's like a game to him, you know?

SPEAKER_02 25:27

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

But Joe takes it and gives it to Sugar as a way of like, I'm sorry, you know, it didn't work out, mom, mom's making me marry her.

SPEAKER_04 25:36

And in the meantime, at the same time, Jack Lemon as Daphne tells uh Osgood that he Osgood proposes to him and he says he'll accept it. Then he tells uh Tony Kurtz's character, he says, Well, yeah, I'm gonna go through it because we'll get a divorce and I'll get half of his money or something like that. So he'll give you money to go away. So he's all happy about it. So that's what I'm saying. Like the whole in the 50s, that's kind of like two men marry. I mean, ooh.

SPEAKER_01 26:02

That was very, like I said, progressive. That but it's a movie.

SPEAKER_04 26:06

Yeah. So anyway, kudos to them for getting getting away with that.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

And that's part of, like I was saying, with Billy Wilder, he could sneak that in, so to speak. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_04 26:13

And still I think, yeah, if it's if it's under the umbrella of comedy, I think people can go, oh, okay, well, you're not really gonna marry them. We would never accept that. Right. But even, you know, I think even up to when we were kids, I remember something like um you couldn't depict men and women sleep married couples couldn't depict them sleeping in the same bed. I remember that.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

Um there was well we were that's yeah, you're right. Because I mean I forgot. I remember it for a second. No, I'm not gonna try to give us give our age away, but you're right, because when you depict the different on TV shows, I mean I love Lucy, which is married, but you can't yeah. Yeah, they would have two separate beds, same bedroom, don't get me wrong.

SPEAKER_04 26:47

Right. Yeah. I don't think people really did that in real life. It's just the depiction on TV, I'm assuming.

SPEAKER_01 26:53

Um I mean, maybe people, we're not gonna delve into that, but still, point of it is unlike later when we got in the eighties and stuff, when you'd see the bed and you go to the bedroom, they would both be in the same bed, right? Yeah, like normal people.

SPEAKER_04 27:05

Yeah. Uh anyway. Yeah. So anyway, at the very end, Jerry persuades Osgood to take him and Joe away on the yacht. They're try again running from the mob. Right. Sure unexpectedly joins them. I'll leave it at that. You don't want to give away the rest of it, but yeah. So that's basically the gist of the movie. What did you like about it?

SPEAKER_01 27:25

I love all of it. Jim the story to me is funny. It's I mean, I I just like the whole of the characters, Joe and Jerry, and I mean they get themselves in trouble. Not really. They just happen to watch a gangster get you know, and they're trying to like, hey, we didn't see anything, and yeah, they're not gonna let you walk. I it just it's hard to convey. I mean, to just tell you I just really enjoyed all of it, the chemistry. I like the humor of it. I mean, I know it's not everybody's cup of tea, but I guess more people than not like it.

SPEAKER_04 27:52

Oh, yeah, the exact opposite is true. Yeah, everyone likes it except for me.

SPEAKER_01 27:57

And like I said, I never try to push anything on anybody because you know, not everyone's gonna like what you like. There are some little amount of people that don't. Maybe there's people just like you who can't stand it, and people who and it's not about being black and white, they just don't like it. But I love it. I mean I think it still worked. I enjoyed it a lot watching again. And I think Billy Wilder in his time, even a lot of his movies I've watched are great.

SPEAKER_04 28:18

Yeah, like I said, I like the apartment. This one just didn't do it for me. Um money-wise, what did it do? Let's find out 20 million something. Yeah, its budget was 2.9 million and it made 25 million. It was an immediate success. It wouldn't, it was not one of these things like a slow burn. It was immediate and lasting, everlasting. I think it's it's still last number two on all time on AFI's list of comedies behind Blazing Saddles. Right.

SPEAKER_01 28:45

Wow. Yeah, it's to put that in perspective, $2.9 million dollars in 1959 was a huge budget for them. That was.

SPEAKER_04 28:52

Yeah. I mean and 25 mils, no, nothing to snatch.

SPEAKER_01 28:55

I know we we would today's world like 25 million, but you gotta put it in perspective of how much were tickets back then, right? Right. Probably what, 50 cents? I'm I'm speculating. Right, right, right. But even if it was a dollar, you know. It's crazy. It's it's and we didn't have the population we have today, but still that's $25 million back then, which today is probably equivalent to several hundred million.

SPEAKER_04 29:16

Yeah. You know? Well, let me tell you what I think are good points about the movie, and before we close this out, uh Marilyn Monroe is I I don't even have words for that. I mean, it even an uh uh even being a horny single guy, putting that aside, she's iconic to watch on screen. And I think it's one of those things that I'm is I wouldn't bucket list to be hyperbolic, but it's nice to be able to say now, oh, I've seen her on screen and now I get it. I get why she's her legend has lived on she didn't live that long.

SPEAKER_01 29:47

She died in like she was 36.

SPEAKER_04 29:49

Yeah, so and that was years 62, I think she died or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

Yes. All these years later, still people are like, oh so I was gonna say, I wonder, because I'm thinking back on what you said, if she 'cause she hated her image, but she worked so hard to get that image in the beginning, right? The blonde and and now you get to a stature, a state of you know, fame and all that, and you have a say, and now you're trying to get away from that. Now you want to be taken serious, right? But you've created this in the beginning, and now you're trying to destroy your own image that you created.

SPEAKER_04 30:22

Uh yeah, I could see that. I mean a lot of people did a lot of things in order to be famous or to make it in their careers.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

So put it in perspective. I mean, we think that Harvey Weinstein was horrible. There was worse in her era, if not even before that, because if they didn't have these safeguards they have today, there wasn't. So I don't know what she had to go through. I don't want to imagine because it's, you know, I've heard rumors like a lot of these actresses of what they had to go through, and it's disgusting.

SPEAKER_04 30:50

But I feel like she died of some kind of drug thing, right? Rumor, yeah, that she'll leave it. Let's not get into that. But uh let's just say for the sake of argument, there's some kind of drugs taking being taken or thought it was sleeping pills or something like that, or something where she, yeah. But I guess my point I was gonna make is uh that seems like the type of lifestyle, if it's what you're saying, where you would dissociate. Like I'm doing all this stuff that I don't believe in, so therefore let me numb myself or whatever. Right. I get it. And then maybe someone caught wind of that, and then there's a whole conspiracy, oh well, they killed her because they knew she was doing that to make it look like well, date JFK. Right, right, right. That's I'm not saying that's true.

SPEAKER_01 31:27

I'm just saying, right, no, we're not trying to have a but it yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 31:30

We don't we'll never dissociating like I'm doing the stuff I makes me feel bad, that would be where something where you would like maybe hit the bottle or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

Well, it kind of goes in line with also on that if if you were abused after years, right? And you you do get married, but you can't stay married, and you know, which will lead into the next episode here.

SPEAKER_04 31:53

Right.

SPEAKER_01 31:54

But like I said, I love the movie, I think it works, I think the comedy of it works for me. Uh it's well written, directed, acted. Um even some of the other singers they didn't really get a large part. There were some good-looking women in that and the band, too, some other ones that were okay. I was like, wow.

SPEAKER_04 32:10

Yeah, I was gonna say, as I was saying, the things I liked about the movie is Marilyn Moreau, number one. Um I do agree that Jack Lemon and Tony Curtis have good chemistry together. Um I mean, the only drawback that I had is the humor didn't it? It was like more what's the word, droll, I guess. Kind of like oh ha ha ha. It wasn't like, you know, like, oh my god, I'm like I've never seen anything like that. It was just kind of like, okay, that's kind of funny. You know, like uh Osgood, he's kind of funny, you know, how he was just like that old man, like I'm just focused. I the way you see he's been married five times or whatever, and he's just like kind of a dirty old man kind of character a little bit. Uh he was kind of you know humorous, but um, yeah, uh and the the fact that they pushed the boundaries, I give them credit for that. And I would say in closing, um, I think most people would probably enjoy this movie. It's not my cup of tea, but I think that most people would enjoy it. And that's in my research, it's clearly like, uh, yeah, I am definitely in the minority here on that one. That's fine. Sometimes it happens.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

It does. Like I said, I I have nothing but great things to say. I like I said, I thoroughly love the movie. Yeah. It's a fun time for me. And I hope whoever's out there who hasn't watched it, I hope it's the same for you. But you know, you never know. But I like I said, highly recommend the movie. You would not, and I would.

SPEAKER_04 33:30

I didn't say it wouldn't. I specifically just said it was most people would like it.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

Uh fair enough.

SPEAKER_04 33:35

Don't put words in my mouth. I said I didn't like it, but most people would. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:41

Well, I mean, I hope. That's the hope, but yeah.

The Seven Year Itch

SPEAKER_04 33:45

Let's what do we got next?

SPEAKER_01 33:46

The seven-year itch.

SPEAKER_00 33:50

It's the funniest comedy since laughter began. And I think we stayed on the play, and play, and play.

SPEAKER_03 34:03

Very quickly. What am I going to do? The natural tendencies is frangivalized.

SPEAKER_01 34:59

Which is also this one movie that because yours was 59, mine came out in 1955. Yeah. And the plot is Richard Sherman is a middle-aged Richard.

SPEAKER_04 35:11

He played for the Seahawks.

SPEAKER_01 35:12

He did. Publishing executive in New York City, whose wife Helen and son Ricky are spending the summer in Og what was it? Aga quit Ogin quit Maine. Anyway, to escape the city's crippling heat. Uh so that's I guess that was a thing. The movie makes it seem like wives would go with their kids the summer so their husbands could be at work not bothered with the daily day uh in and outs of having to raise their family. Here, go away. Let me alone. You know. Uh this movie's actually based, I'm gonna get back to the synopsis here, on a play by George Axlrod. Axel, yeah, Axlrod, sorry. You said Rod. I did say Rhode, but it's a George Axlrod, and uh it's based on a in the play, the husband actually does have the affair with the neighbor upstairs. Okay. And because of the Hayes code, they had to so Billy Wilder saw it and he's like, oh I'm again always trying to press the you know, the envelope, and he and Axlrod developed the screenplay. But when and again it goes to the you can't depict um infidelity, right? Because that's what this is.

SPEAKER_02 36:24

Right.

SPEAKER_01 36:25

The husband does, you know, there's that seven-year itch refers to where guys get that after how many years of marriage now they don't, you know, monogamy goes out the window. I gotta have, I gotta get, you know.

SPEAKER_04 36:36

You get bored.

SPEAKER_01 36:37

I gotta get, you know. Right. Yeah, you get bored. They feel like they gotta venture out. Mr. Sherman goes to his apartment and he goes to eat, because his wife tells him, No smoking, no eating this. And he goes to like a vegetarian. I didn't even know they had vegetarian restaurants back then, but evidently I stand corrected. And he goes and they talk about the stuff, the food there, and I'm like, it doesn't even sound appealing to me even back then.

SPEAKER_02 37:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:02

So yeah, he goes home and he's trying to remember his wife. He has her in his head, like, oh, no smoking, no, this. And he gets home, he's trying to hide these cigarettes so he can't be tempted. Right. You know, he's no, I won't drink. I'll he grabs a soda instead of drinking the alcohol that he has. And he goes, I'll read, you know, I'll do the things I promised my wife. Right. But of course, something sneaks in, and of course, he gets a buzz at because they're in order to let people in, you have to buzz them in. And he gets a buzz, and all of a sudden the lady walks in, and of course, it's Marilyn Monroe. Marilyn Monroe, who, again in the movie, she's never stated, she's called the girl. The girl, yeah. But it's purposely done. Yeah. And it automatically he's like at first all upset, but when he opens the door, he's like jaw drops, and he's like, Oh, well.

SPEAKER_02 37:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:52

And now, you know, he's ready to give her like, hey, oh, well. Because later on she goes upstairs and he's watching her, we're all watching her. Right. And then he's sitting in the back, relaxing in his on his patio. And all of a sudden, a what a plant falls and he's yelling, and then she looks down, he's like, Oh, well, it's not that bad, you know, I didn't get hurt. Right. And he's like, You want to have a drink? Sure. And it's like, oh wow, that just opens it all. Yeah. And then from there, he's starting to have self-doubt before she comes down.

SPEAKER_04 38:22

He's trying to set up the the mood of the before I sorry to cut you off, but before that, he's having these conversations in his head with this hallucination of his wife. Right. And he's going through these stories because he's setting up the whole seven-year-itch thing. Right. He's like, Oh, you don't know. The the night nurse likes me. This other woman likes me. Yeah. So then he's when he sees Marilyn Monroe, he's like, Oh, okay. You know, I don't think I think it's more of a delusion that he has in his life. Right, these women actually like him. They're like throwing themselves at him, like, oh, please. Right.

SPEAKER_01 38:54

His, you know, because he got his. His wife's like, no one loves you but me, jerk. Right. You're lucky. You know, no, you don't know what I at work. Yeah, you can't. My secretary, I have to fight her off. Right. Got the chair in the work. Secretary, right, right, right. Yeah. You know, like he's some lion tamer just trying to. Right. And I was like, that dude. I mean, I have to admit though, even the his secretary, like, damn.

SPEAKER_04 39:16

I know, I know.

SPEAKER_01 39:17

But yeah, this is like you said, the delusion is.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

But no, no, no. My wife said, you know, I can't drink. I don't want, I know, I want to be a good boy. And then the tomato thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 39:33

Yeah, and then he's like, that just goes out the window. You want to have a drink? Yeah. She's like, sure.

SPEAKER_04 39:38

I'll come down there with you, you know.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

When is she explaining? Like, uh, she's not dressed, they only show the planner covering her, right? And she goes, Oh, I have to get my and she explains, I have to get my panties out of the freezer because then he's just like and again, it's wilder. Just pushing the envelope, and that dialogue in, right. And now you're getting a visual as a guy sitting in the theater, like, oh my god. And it's Marilyn, so you can only imagine.

SPEAKER_04 40:00

Yeah, my auntie's in the freezer. Right. It's hot outside.

SPEAKER_01 40:03

And he's like, oh, I'm not. Right. Yeah. So one thing I'll say about this movie, because I always I had seen bits and pieces. This is the first time I actually watched it all the way through, right? Oh, okay. And I remember the infamous scene, although they the version I got, they cut it. They censored it. Yeah, it seems like it's different than the ones I censored it. Is that what it is? Because the original, because I saw we'll get to this the scene in a sec, folks, but is you would see it and it would fully, and you could see, you know, but they've have censored it since, which I think is like really but I saw it on um I want to say Tubi or something.

SPEAKER_04 40:41

No, no, not Tubi, the other one.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

Pluto?

SPEAKER_04 40:44

Pluto.

SPEAKER_01 40:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 40:45

Yeah. And it they showed it happens twice.

SPEAKER_01 40:47

Yeah, it did happen twice.

SPEAKER_04 40:49

Okay. So mine wasn't censored then, apparently. They showed the whole thing. I don't think so. Showed her knees and kind of I feel like it kind of cuts it off like the like like uh where her waist is, it kind of shows just a little bit below the waist, and that's it. So you see the dress kind of fly up, but you don't see her underwear or anything like that.

SPEAKER_01 41:06

Well, yeah, because the original original thing. And I might have done it, but I saw that I guess behind the scenes where because every time there would be these movie shows, they would show the scene fully and her dress. I mean it's taken from a a distance, it's not like right up, but it was taken from and you could see the dress fly up fully. So I don't know. Anyway, yeah, that was one of the scenes is that she's this is cutting ahead, but they go to a movie, Mr. Sherman and the girl.

SPEAKER_04 41:34

The girl, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

And as they get out, it's still pretty steamy hot. It's a hot summer in New York. And the cool-off, there's these grates that the subway, and when she goes, Oh, and so it blows up cool air.

SPEAKER_04 41:44

When the subway train passes by, it blows air up to the grate.

SPEAKER_01 41:47

And then of course she's wearing a white flowing dress and it blows it up, and back then.

SPEAKER_04 41:52

But she keeps it down in the front or whatever, so it just kind of shows her underwear in the back. Sure. Well, the first time it did, I think. The second time it's just it she said, Oh, here it comes again. And then like that's when they kind of showed it like from just the waist, a little bit above the waist, and then nothing else. So it's kind of like you could see it going up, but you couldn't see right. Yeah, that was wild. Then again, pushing the envelope for I guess for that time, I would think.

SPEAKER_01 42:15

Well, like I said, I think that was Wilder's way of fighting back because the studio kept fighting. He wanted to play as was in the movie. Him and Axlrod wrote it, but the like nope, so they made him rewrite it and rewrite it. Um like I said again, he knew what he can get away with. I because I saw the behind the scenes and there were some scenes purposely done just to kind of poke at them. Uh huh. I know that's one scene. The I'm sure it's on the play too, but yeah, he really went all out. And then some of the dialogue, like I said, you catch it. When you see Tom Yule, who plays Richard Sherman, you know, and you're like, it's I have to agree with his wife. You're like, You? You're you're this magnet, this babe magnet?

SPEAKER_04 42:55

Yeah, you know, and he looks like cross between Howdy Duty and Bernie Fife.

SPEAKER_01 43:01

You're not wrong.

SPEAKER_04 43:02

And I I literally, when I was watching this movie, I looked it up because I was like, wait, wait, wait, this dude is pulling Marilyn Monroe? Uh you're really asking me to suspend my disbelief hardcore right now. And I think he was, I want to say he was 40 something when he did this role. And she was 29, 28.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

She had just prior to making this one when she decided to make this movie, she was eight months into her preg uh her marriage to Joe DiMaggio. Oh, okay. And this was the catalyst for their split. Why? Joe wanted a traditional wife of hey, I but I mean again, we laugh because we know, like, you know who you marry. Right, exactly. Right? And you want her to go, okay, Hollywood Bob.

SPEAKER_04 43:45

I'll give all this up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:46

Yeah, I want a baby, I want to be with Joe. And that's what he wanted. He was a traditional guy. Okay, we're talking about that era. Okay. And that was and it's like you married what a burgeoning sex pot. Right.

SPEAKER_04 43:57

And she's not even like a I mean, she wanted to be a a a serious movie actor. Yes. But I mean, and you know, it is what it is. She you know.

SPEAKER_01 44:05

Right. And it's like, what did you expect? Right. You know, either you can dispel or you can just like put like okay, I'll she just doing her job. Right. She's coming on to me. But he couldn't. And it really this movie, because he was there on when they were making the scene with the the subway, he was watching that. And there was like and you're doing it in New York, right? This is on wherever you you're in New York filming this. So there's thousands of people watching this. Right. Right. And he was upset, right? And it's like, then don't go to the set that day. I'm sorry you know who you married and you're not going to change that. Right. And that came to a head a lot of times and I guess he got pretty abusive with her too.

SPEAKER_04 44:44

Yeah. So well to be fair is he wouldn't be the first person that's like gotten a relationship with somebody thinking they're going to change him.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

Right.

SPEAKER_04 44:50

Or like I'll mold them into what I want or they'll change after we do such and such.

SPEAKER_01 44:55

She married me. She only wants me.

SPEAKER_04 44:57

But and then it was at Arthur Miller when she was in with after the Maggio, right. Sliping hot.

SPEAKER_01 45:03

But yeah um but yeah Tom Ewell I guess he was the actual lead in the play too if I'm correct. Because when they were now going from play to f film uh Walter Mathow was actually did audition I saw his audition for it. No I mean he he was this is before he became the Walter Mathow that we know. He did all right but they went back to Tom Ewell and played his role. And this is Marilyn had done other movies more where she was part of the ensemble like what How to Marry a Millionaire Blondes have more fun. I think the gentlemen prefer blondes those movies.

SPEAKER_04 45:39

But she was part of the ensemble I mean but people could obviously see she stands out from everybody else. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_01 45:45

So but this is the movie that really kind of helped launch her into the stratosphere of her celebrity and her fame. Because yeah I mean it's hard it's not hard to see.

SPEAKER_04 45:54

Yeah it's yeah it's uncanny how um I read somewhere someone said it best something like the camera has never loved a person more than it loved Marilyn Monroe. She just did not have any bad angles. It was insane. It was almost like a hologram or something of a person.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

And when this movie came out I think prior because they she had done the I don't want to say the first ever maybe it was but Playboy and she did a pictorial and most women like oh no but she was like yeah she was proud of it you know and again it goes to I saw a thing where when the movie came out there this big 52 foot thing of her and the dress were the things and she's holding the dress as the subway right and it was a point where she was loving at first and then finally she's like that's all people see me and she got sick of it right and it's like that duality of that little conundrum of I know that's what got me here but I want to be known more than just that. Right. Because she was with somebody when that did premiere and she was really depressed because that's all people now saw.

SPEAKER_04 46:55

It's kind of progressive frankly I mean that she wanted to be more than just seen as a sex symbol nowadays women actors can be all those things and right and but I was thinking like I mean I again I'm not a scholar certainly on movies from that era but or the society for that for that matter but I I feel like most of the women that I ever I've ever seen were kind of like they had to look a certain way. Oh yeah. First of all. Then they could act or whatever but they had to have that pinup girl look or whatever then we can act or whatever. But and now it's not like that so much probably because of women like her over the years like sure pushing that boundary of like you know we can do other things or whatever. Right. So it's kind of progressive but yeah it's a shame that she didn't have a longer career.

SPEAKER_01 47:40

Yeah and as the story goes on I mean Richard tries to go to work and he's trying to ask his boss because he's got himself you know with Dig the girl and he's trying to escape it because he's trying to avoid the temptation is always there right and if she's not playing hard to get she's going along with it. She even says oh yeah married guys like whatever right it's like oh my God. She finds out he's married and then she goes oh you're married and I thought she's gonna TF on him she's like yeah she's justified oh that's great you know because you know blah blah blah whatever justification yeah I don't want to get married and like and like and that's like just dangling it like here come get a temptation right in front of me right yeah he's thinking that all oh yeah you know I am and thinks that'll dissuade her but no it does the opposite yeah so now he goes to the work and he's like telling his boss please let me go in this tour I can't afford to this is the busiest time Richard you know this and it's like and his boss is loving it because he's sitting in his office shaving telling oh thank God the wise guy now I can go to these clubs I can you know yeah so it basically kind of I'm not saying condones but tells you that men obviously back then cheated on their wives. You know and that's again that's progressive in that time because the Hayes code and all that you don't want to condone that that that happens. Well it does happen unfortunately it's happened throughout time. Right. But we can't have it happen in today's movies.

SPEAKER_04 49:00

Right in 1960 when was the apartment? That was 1960 I believe. Yeah so even then it was like that's a straight that's the whole premise of the movie.

SPEAKER_01 49:08

That was the more I don't want to say acceptance of it because you know you had Mr Baxter which was Fred McMurray in the apartment because we did a well I mean the apartment was set up so people can cheat. But that's my point though it actually came to the from this movie something like that where now they do show people cheating. Right. Not that they're condoning it but they're saying it does happen we just have to yeah it's a movie. Sure. Let's make a comedy about it. Right. But yeah so he goes and the boss tells him no and he's like damn it and then he does have some more meetups with you know the girl because now the but they they have champagne and chips I'm like wow what a combination but okay and then he's sitting there playing the piano and he makes a move for her and she falls over and you're thinking oh that's her cute oh no. Right. Because then the way their the house is set up he has a stairwell that goes to nowhere. Well they the owner of the I guess the place they live blocked it off.

SPEAKER_04 50:05

And then we're to make two apartments instead of the one. Right.

SPEAKER_01 50:08

And then one night he's sleeping and all of a sudden he hears some noise he comes out and she has opened the stairwell. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 50:15

It's like oh how convenient yeah talk about really time fitting him now right so she's into him he's into her but there's he's still got this thing about I you know I have to be the right thing.

SPEAKER_01 50:28

Right. Well there is a little other subplot his wife calls and she's talking about this friend of his right oh he's here and he's here to show me and now in his head he's cheating on right she's having an affair with him because I'm not there and it's like it's a double standard almost right you can go ahead and but wait a minute my wife Because you feel guilty you project or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 50:50

There you go. Yeah right and he's already assuming and she's showing him at the time he's like oh who cares I got now I should really get with Marilyn that's when he kind of like okay let's go for it.

SPEAKER_01 50:59

Right. But he it's also another thing is like as we see in the beginning when he's set telling his wife goodbye on the train and all of a sudden he's like he's trying his son has left his paddle for right he's trying to get that but he keeps forgetting because he's sidetracked by this beautiful dame. Right. You know and and then yeah I don't want to give away the ending either because there's some other stuff that ensues um he even has a doctor come to visit him and explain you know like if I'm sick or something's wrong with me.

SPEAKER_04 51:25

I don't remember that part.

SPEAKER_01 51:26

Yeah it's really it wasn't that long but uh I think it's right here. Richard worries that Helen will find out about his transgression the following day at work even though she's unaware of it and only wants Richard to send Ricky his paddle. Richard's waning resolve to resist temptation fuels his fear to his succumbing to the seven year itch Dr. Brewbaker arrives at his office to discuss the book but is no help. You know he's hoping the doctor but that's where the doctor comes in and he's like he's just talking really just trying to pitch his book and then he's like but doctor you know and no no help at all it's like it goes in yeah but my book um so box office wise it was made for 1.8 in May 12. Again I mean that's four years difference between the movie prior that we did. I mean that's still to me a big budget but 12 million it's decent. Right. I mean still big money it still made money it didn't lose money and it was a hit. Right. You know it allowed I think Wilder to like I said be progressive in his writing and get away with certain things in spite of the Hayes code. Right. Right uh Axelrod actually gave a lot of kudos to Wilder for getting the movie made. Yeah he was disappointed because it you know but he goes in certain in spite of that he still made a really great film yeah out of his play.

SPEAKER_04 52:42

Yeah you know of these two movies I prefer this one uh this one is I don't know well it's more plausible first of all oh yeah because that guy that whole temptation of like I'm married I don't I think a lot of people I was gonna say a lot of guys but I think people can relate to that in general that thing of like yes I'm happy with what I have but you know in the back of your mind maybe some people maybe in the front of the mind who they you know some people don't maybe don't have that prohibition like I don't give a shit I won't tell my wife that's you know right I mean yeah it's but yeah the plausibility that that little it's almost like his wife is like that that angel of the show the white angel and she's like the devil or whatever or the girl or whatever.

SPEAKER_01 53:23

We know what you meant. Well I mean there's that point the enemy goes well what girl he goes I don't know she might be Marilyn Monroe. That's what Tom Yule says right yeah and that's so literally she's playing herself in a sense right but yeah I I I love both movies they're they're fun movies for me.

SPEAKER_04 53:40

Um like I said it was interesting to see that but yeah I agree with you I mean here's a girl beautiful woman tell her you're married and she's like okay Anne you know he's like what how you know how devoted are you to your wife if a woman like Marilyn Monroe throws herself at you basically right so you know it's it's a nice little well the thing that's the topper is when she and what takes the the the nails or screws out and opens that stairwell right basically saying I'm here anytime you want to come up or I can come down it's like man.

SPEAKER_01 54:14

How do you say no I can't to Marilyn Monroe? I mean like you said one of the most beautiful women shower yeah good luck with that I'll take it with you I'll cover you oh wait yeah then some didn't some at one point she stayed the night or whatever.

SPEAKER_04 54:31

Yes. Yeah and yeah he's then she was got in the shower or whatever was like oh my God. Right?

SPEAKER_01 54:36

How do you not go hey do you mind if I shower with you? Well that's a point where he's like I gotta get ready for work or whatever right and he's like waiting for her.

SPEAKER_04 54:43

I'd be like I can have both women see I can have her and my wife exactly exactly I I will say I won't give away the ending but I will say the ending was a nice that's what sold it for me as far as this movie as opposed to some I get hot as far as like being something a little more relatable to everyday life. Right and the way it ended which again I won't give away but it's like oh that's such a nice you know such a nice way to end this uh story that we've been on this last hour and a half or whatever. And you watched it on I'm guessing Pluto or because it's on both are on Amazon if you don't but I know that I don't remember which is which one was free on YouTube and one was Pluto or whatever that was. Well I feel like this one was Pluto because that's the one that commercials. Right they're both free technically for YouTube and Pluto on YouTube. So I just watched and on Pluto yeah I got you. And it had commercials which I'm not terribly happy about but I was like I'm not paying for it so right the only thing with Pluto they're long commercials.

SPEAKER_01 55:50

Yeah they they are they're like literally five minutes if not longer and then you get that I didn't know about the censorship thing but yeah now you mentioned it and it's like hmm yeah because I remembered originally like I said there would be these movie programs but they showed it flat out.

SPEAKER_04 56:03

Right.

SPEAKER_01 56:03

So I guess we're both two thumbs up for that I like this one.

SPEAKER_04 56:07

Like I said won't give away the ending but I think the ending was a nice touch nice little you know put a little bow on the story.

SPEAKER_01 56:14

And Tom you all give him credit even though you know you're like him but he was I he did really well against her playing opposite her.

SPEAKER_04 56:21

I was gonna say I I like I said when I was watching I was looking at this dude I mean no offense I mean you know I I certainly don't want to talk about anybody else's looks but I mean it was kind of like Marilyn Monroe throwing herself at this dude and I was like don't they have like Tony Curtis maybe like put him in that I could see but this dude was like what really I literally had to go look it up like this dude looks like he's like 50 years old and he was pr I was pretty close to being right.

SPEAKER_01 56:49

Right.

SPEAKER_04 56:49

And so anyway to each their own whatever it's a comedy that's but actually what I guess what I was gonna didn't really get that across very well was that like his wife said at the beginning you know she didn't say it like no one loves you because you're ugly. She just was kind of like you know no one appreciates you the way I do. Yeah you're just an average guy right I I I know you because we've had this relationship for so long seven years and that kind of thing. So those are the things that I love about you that those women don't get that will never see right. Right. They can't see that from across the room and be like swooning about you so she would just kind of take them down a little bit you know a peg but not being really rude about it or whatever. We all need to be humbled somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 57:30

Good luck you got me I mean it was a nice little apartment I don't know if I could I mean it's quaint where he lived that house and what did he do for a living again?

SPEAKER_04 57:38

He was an executive for uh a publishing executive so yeah you'd think they'd have like a bigger space or something house or something.

SPEAKER_01 57:49

New York I mean I'm sure was still compared today still inexpensive but expensive back then even right so I mean but he obviously could afford to send his wife and his son to wherever for the summer. I mean they weren't for the whole summer. Right. Because I think they said it was like three months or whatever and like they're gone and they come back in the fall when school starts for Ricky and it's like damn. So yeah they made it like it was a normal thing and I was like 'cause I guess the way we grew up I never heard of that.

SPEAKER_04 58:17

Yeah. Well I mean maybe you took vacations but not the whole summer.

SPEAKER_01 58:21

Right.

SPEAKER_04 58:21

Well it was usually the family that went right for a week or so you didn't send a wife and go away family you know right so anyway.

SPEAKER_01 58:29

But yeah that's that's my take again and I like the movie. I hope you watch it enjoy it as much as we did. Yeah. So but yeah that's it. All right that's it folks thank you all right that's a wrap for today's movie reviews. Thanks for listening remember if you like what you've heard make sure you like subscribe and rate our show in minutes let's go get some ice cream