Building On a Point of Land: Taming a Wild Site for Lakeside Access

In this episode of Build the Unbuildable, James Pitropov and John Tyreman explore what it takes to design and construct a dream cottage on one of the most challenging sites imaginable — a steep, landlocked point of land on Lake Muskoka.

James walks through the journey of transforming a property once deemed “unbuildable” into a stunning architectural retreat. From securing easements and carving a road through rock, to building with the land’s natural constraints and capturing panoramic lake views through a signature octagonal “Muskoka room,” this episode reveals how vision, creativity, and smart design can unlock hidden potential in even the toughest terrain.

Listeners will also hear how 3D modeling and live cost data are changing the way Lakeside Architecture helps clients bring their dream homes to life — faster, smarter, and with less guesswork.

00:00 Welcome
01:55 The Muskoka Lake Chain
05:56 Favorite Lake Pastimes   
07:34 Building On A Point Of Land
09:40 The Bigger Challenge: Moving Materials or Approvals? 
11:20  Lake Muskoka Cottage
13:47 How Do You Build?
18:36 Building With The Land
20:28 Octagonal Section
25:20 3D Modeling
28:09 Design Your Dream Home Guide
29:04 Trail Map For Success
32:07 Conclusion

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Transcript

James Pitripov 0:00

There's a point of land. It's got some open water on it. It backs onto a, back bay, and it's landlocked. it has no access road in it's water access only. It's a large cliff. It's a hundred foot steep, drop to the water. it was considered unbuildable and it was one of these relic pieces of land that, um, if you do enough research, uh, with a good real estate agent, these gems are out there.

0:32

You are listening to Build the Unbuildable, a podcast about designing dream cottages on some of the most challenging sites in Ontario's cottage country.

John Tyreman 0:41

All right. Welcome back to Build the Unbuildable, the podcast about building high-end homes in impossible places. My name is John Erman, and as always, I am joined by my co-host James Pitcher, p principal architect at Lakeside Architecture. James, how are you doing today?

James Pitripov 0:59

I'm doing great, John, how are you doing today?

John Tyreman 1:00

I'm doing well. You feeling strong?

James Pitripov 1:03

as strong as ever. Every D is getting better they're done.

John Tyreman 1:05

Strongest Popeye. Alright, so, uh, today we're gonna talk about building on a point of land. and you have a project, uh, that you've, that you've done on Lake Muskoka, and that will be a good example of building on a point of land. Um, so that's what we'll cover in today's episode. And I guess like a good jumping off point might be. W why Lake Muskoka? Like what, what that is a popular, um, cottage destination. What makes that area so unique and so in demand?

James Pitripov 1:38

Uh, that's a great, uh, question, John. You know, uh, lake Muskoka has a lot of history and mystique to it, and for our, uh, our American viewers. it is the, uh, I would call it, or it's been described as the Hamptons of the North. So, um, It it, is a, uh, a lake in the uh, chain of Muskoka Lakes, about two hours north of Toronto. And the, um, the, the history of the, the lakes were that originally, um, there, there was no development on the lakes. There were some grand, uh, hotels, and this is going back over a hundred years. It's really interesting. Um, Americans would come up. our American friends would, would come up and you would travel from Toronto and then you would travel to uh, uh, Gravenhurst or Bridge, but particularly to Gravenhurst and they would get onto Steamships and travel out across the lake. There were some, uh, historical resorts. Uh, on the lake. So there's this sort of Adirondack vibe, uh, maybe Upper Peninsula, Michigan, This sort of away feeling Vermont, Maine have that similar uh, uh, landscape. It's a pretty much a wilderness setting. Rugged, and it was a destination for a lot of Americans. Later on, Americans bought big parcels. Uh, Originally there was a lot of, uh, timber industry was heavy up there. Um, the big timber barons was clear, big parcels of land and, uh, not a lot of farming out there. Uh, some very high, sad historical stories about farmers that Fought because of the big trees and the heavy vegetation, that it was rich farmland. And, uh, some of our, our forefathers in places like Bala and, and elsewhere, they've had some pretty, uh, tough histories up there because it's a rich land, but it doesn't support, uh, farming. But what it does support is, uh, beautiful, lakeside environments Now. the question like, why Lake Muskoka? Um, there are a lot of beautiful lakes, um, in the Canadian shield and cottage country, uh, as there are in other places that, that you would know. the um, when people come to in, they say, um, what, what is the, uh, like, what is the best lake to focus on? We're looking for a piece of land and what's really great, and my answer to them is, whatever lake. You end up on is the best lake. Every lake has great character, uh, to them, and their blessing to, to, uh, be situated on. now. some people will end up preferring a smaller lake. They're more intimate. Uh, your chances are you might see a moose or a bear or loons rather than speedboats and that sort of thing. So there's an advantage there. Uh, the advantage on a lake like Muskoka. Uh, being part of the, the big three Lakes and they're Muskoka, uh, and, uh, uh, lake, uh, Joseph and Rosso. These are quite big lakes now. If you are a boater, if you like boating, there is enough lake area and Convolutions going around those islands, like going from uh, going from Gravenhurst across to Walkers, Point across to ball. Um, there's a lot of water that you can cover and then you can go in between the lakes, So it's big water for cottage lakes. Um, neighbor to the neighbor lakes, to Muskoka, Joseph and Rosso, they're accessible too. And originally there were large parcels of land, so there are some very big, beautiful cottages. There's little beautiful cottages as well. The thing that sets apart though, is it's big Water for, for boating. Um, you're not gonna get bored on the lake. There's some other lakes, lake of bays, beautiful gem in the East Lake. Hama, a pretty big lake, not on the same scale. Uh, lake Vernon and Huntsville. There's a chain of lakes there. Makes things interesting. You can boat from lake to lake and have lunch on the waterfront in Huntsville, all beautiful places. Lake Muskoka, it seems to be the, uh, um, the, the, the focus of a lot of, uh, dreamers streaming cottages.

John Tyreman 5:56

Interesting. So I'm curious, what do you like to do out on the lake? Are you a boater?

James Pitripov 6:01

Yeah. We, we boat and, uh, one thing that we are always excited about is, um, like sometimes it's just basic fun. You like to be on the dock and watch the sunset and all, all that beautiful, uh, stuff. But, uh, it's great to get out on big water. Uh, since the kids were little, we'd, we'd go tubing and you're not, you are. You're not in shallow water, you're in clear deep water. As long as you're careful out there, you're gonna have a great time. And, uh, there's space for everyone.

John Tyreman 6:31

That's, that was one of my favorite childhood memories of my own, my family. Um, I live in Virginia and then I have family in Montana, and we would meet in the middle in Missouri at Lake of the Ozarks, and we would go boating all around those lakes and all of the fingers with the tubes. And as a kid growing up, those are some of my fondest memories.

James Pitripov 6:51

That's amazing. Like you must have amazing memories there the interesting thing too about the Muskoka Lakes, so they, they, they have that, uh, mi mystery and prestige because there are, uh, in some ways it's a celebrity lake. There are a lot of celebrities that have located on there. There's professional athletes and all that. and. Socially, it's interesting because everyone meets everyone in town because we have Port Carling on the lake. There's Bala, up, uh, in Huntsville. There's a, there's a chain of lakes there and there's a town in the middle of it and you can go out to theater in the evening. So these are wilderness locations, but they are not so remote that there's no place for your guests to go when they're had enough tubing being dragged around behind your boat. So.

John Tyreman 7:34

so James, let's, let's, uh, let's shift the focus a little bit to our topic de jour today, which is building on a point of land. And I'm curious, what makes building on a point of land different from building on other lakeside properties?

James Pitripov 7:52

You know, when we're, looking at, um, land and designs we're, we're always looking for, uh, opportunities. Like what is special or what's unique. And on the lakes, sometimes you have to be resourceful when, when you're, when you're looking for, um, for property now. on Lake Muskoka, this, this, uh, the client that we're going to discuss, they were looking for a way to get onto the, the big water. This was something really big for them. And, uh, they, they wanted to get on. it's hard to get a good parcel of land on the lake now, and the costs had just skyrocketed just like they have everywhere. now they were taken around the lake and they were getting frustrated. there. their agent had children, lots of places, and some of them are, were like, we have the church at the time. And there was one last place and she said, well, you know, there's, there's one place we're not sure that you'll be interested in it. It's, It's on a back bay and it's on a point and it is way up on the rocks and, uh, there's a wetland in the back. And, I'm not sure that this is the sort of thing that you would be interested in. Well, they went and they checked it out and they thought this might be the opportunity for us. Is it buildable? Can we build the unbuildable on this point? Uh, and it's not Walker's Point. It's not a strawberry point. it's it's back in a bay. And, uh, being on point means it has one side is on the open water and one side this sort of back in. And um, it had some challenges Because it's, it has height on it and there are development restrictions constraints, that can either Help you with some very creative solutions to your design program, or they can make it really hard for you to get approvals.

John Tyreman 9:40

So I guess what, what was the, uh, the bigger challenge? Was it getting the material to the, the build site, or was it getting approvals?

James Pitripov 9:48

On this particular property, uh, it, it was a little bit of the, approvals and the, the issue with building on points is originally. When, when the setbacks were put in place by municipalities, uh, the setback was taken from one direction as long as you were back from the main part of the point, uh, you could build. And over time, the lake associations have lobbied the municipalities to have tighter restrictions so that there's less visual impact on lake from new construction. And now the setbacks go from all sides of a point, which means you're constrained and sometimes you're left with a little itty-bitty parcel. And, uh, if you're up. on a rock or up on a hill. How do you get material in? How do you access it? Where do you put the building? Is there enough space left for septic wells? All that? There are a, a whole bunch of spatial considerations and you have a tight little puzzle how you build on the hill. In the case of this client, we, we did some exploration and, um, it was, um, surprising. He ended up with a very exceptional project.

John Tyreman 10:50

Yeah. So let's, let's get into it. So, um, for folks that are listening, um. You can listen along. For folks that are viewing this on YouTube, we are going over a case example that is on the Lakeside Architecture website. Go to lakeside architecture.ca and go to the Be inspired section of the website and you'll find this, all these pictures and the stories about all these different builds that we're talking about.

James Pitripov 11:20

So, uh, if, if your viewers, uh, can imagine this, the client is looking, for a property that will allow'em to get onto a very sought after lake, not many properties available. Here's, the catch. There's a point of land. It's got some open water on it. It backs onto a, back bay, and it's landlocked. it has no access road in it's water access only. It's a large cliff. It's a hundred foot steep, drop to the water. it was considered unbuildable and it was one of these relic pieces of land that, um, if you do enough research, uh, with a good real estate agent, these gems are out there. And what we'll show you here is what was built. I'll, i'll give you some cues on, on what to look for, and then if your viewers follow up and check out our website, we'll post the, the, the access from the lake and some of the, the, the, uh, constraints that, that we had there. So John, the, the first issue was an opportunity was, they're on a point Meaning that access is from one direction and one direction only. the first thing was It was on a back bay. Well, being on a back bay didn't have access to deeper water? Because you need to get your, your, boat in and out of there, in and out of your boathouse so that you can get on big water without wrecking your props. Could we build a boathouse? Yes, we could. And we did so in the future with some special construction. Wasn't super deep water, but it dropped off fairly quickly. So do we have the access? Yes, we do. Then the the second point was, well, um, there's this back bay and there's a wetland and, uh. uh, isn't that a problem? Well, over time it's turned out that, uh, once they solved access to the point from above, which I'll get into in a second, that back bay became a, uh, it was a blessing in itself because. It is a magnet for, for wildlife. And in the spring they would hear the spring peeps, then the toads, uh, all sorts of in the evening they'll hear owls and the whipper wheels, which are getting rare and rare in cottage country. And if you have, access, if there's some open bearings with a wetland nearby, uh, it is all that those, beautiful, uh, iconic birds, really need. So. It wasn't a problem. There, there, there's no problem yet. Now how do you build? Well, it was a bit of a process, but our client is very ambitious and we explored The, uh, the neighbors, uh, on, uh, the access to the point, explored their properties, did some title searches, found out who owned what. And the solution in this case was our client actually, secured an easement from a neighbor. Of course they paid for it. It's not a favor or anything. Um, everything has costs these days, but it was reasonable. Uh, they secured an easement to the property. Now the other problem was that there's no road going in. And what do we need a road for? You can either build from the land, you can build from the water in the winter by going over the ice in the summer by building with barges, but, uh, it's gonna be a really hard build if you have to go up that giant hill. So they needed a, a road for equipment. And heavy, um, uh, heavy equipment and, and materials. Now there are some great water access only properties and, uh, for the right cottage those are great opportunities. You can look up, uh, islands and points that are landlocked or water, I guess you would say water locked or, or landlocked. they're water. Through water, they're excluded from the land. Um, those are the types of opportunities that are really productive. And some of the lakes that are in change north of Musk Cocus as well, um, such as, uh, ones on, on the White Lake and a lot of the French River and so on. There are pro that sort of property in that location for people that are, that are, uh, dreaming about this opportunity. So what they did then they got their, their easement put in, um, got the, the, the gravel road in. So basically the basic solution was get a gravel road in. Clear out the top of the property, find out the buildable areas. Well, it was pretty, uh, unlevel. It wasn't level at the top and a, a, a little bit precarious. It's sort of a windswept location up there. Uh, at the time it looked pretty un buildable. But what they did was they, they got some equipment up there and they brought in armor stone from the, the quarries in, uh, uh, in bridge there. Very right by the trees there, there's some very large boulder type pieces, and those were used to build a ledge so that a terrace could be filled in as an area for the house to be the the cottage to be built. There was some reworking of the site to be done, so they brought in the road, they leveled off the terrace. The terrace was important because. Need, they want to set site their, they're build building on it, and they also need to level things out for, for their, their septic tank and their septic field. Now, the one thing about septic is, as we know, uh. Fluids run downhill That flus run downhill. Um, so it's good to have a, a positive drainage down to a field, which was. On our side of the house there, but the train had to be, uh, built up. Um, you can use sewage ejector pumps to get water, get effluent pumping up the hill, but this is the, the sort of sensible way. flatten the site, determine how much space you need for your septic, determine where you're having wells, or if you're dry drying water. For a three season place, like from, from the lake itself and, um. How much room you need for the footprint of your place. So that was the first, the, so the first step, two steps, john. First is find those, look for those rare properties on, on any of the lakes, big or small. And there's, there's no preference. John, uh, Muskoka, rosso, uh, uh, Joseph Lake Base, all beautiful lakes, but the little lakes are gems too. See, um, start the exploration and then. Where's the access from? Can you get easements in on these sort of rare, awkward properties? And they're located, they're on lakes, they're on Georgian Bay as well. And then there's a little bit of site work to, to put in that site. Work might run, um, 80 to a hundred grand. 120 grand It's a really great investment to get things, um, started on the, on the property that way. Second thing, john, you have to get power on the site. So in this case, it was fairly straightforward. the, the, um, uh, hydro was extended from, uh, from existing down, down the road there. And a new, um, meter, uh, was, uh, built, um, by the hi, by the hydro authority there. And then you have a service site. You've already increased the, the value of your property, uh, enormously having, having it ready to build.

John Tyreman 18:36

Oh yeah, a hundred percent. Um, so one of the common themes that we've talked about on past episodes is building with the land. And I've, I've noticed here that this, this looks remarkably like a house that you would see. Well, it, it, it looks like it's not as spread out as many of the other builds we've talked about. So can you, can you talk about how this particular build was integrated into the flow of the land?

James Pitripov 19:04

Sure. Yeah. That, that, that's right, John. If, um, if viewers, uh, check out some of the other websites, they'll find some cre, uh, creative solutions site solutions. Designs that required building on various terraces, spreading out the floor plan, uh, to, to match the site, building with a slope. You, what you end up with are some pretty creative designs that really embrace the complexity of the site. Now, the opposite of that is when your constraints are, so, when your constraints are tight, as they were on the point. So in, in this case, this particular house Being on the point there, it was quite restrained and to the right is actually wedged in on the left and the right. by the setback from both water lines. So there's setbacks on both sides that heed in. and there's also setbacks along the roadside. And it may or might not seem significant, but it really means that cannot spread your structure, uh, along the, the, uh, train, the, the way we look. Uh, the examples previously. and it does lend to more like traditional, sort of a traditional place, but has some pretty good qualities that we could discuss.

John Tyreman 20:28

Yeah, I, I was just looking at this, I guess it would be, looks like, like an octagonal type of, section of the house. guess to your point, yeah, you are constrained so much that I, I would imagine that's why it's so vertical. You've got the three different levels there. Um, so yeah, let's talk about some of the different elements that, that stand out to you.

James Pitripov 20:49

Yeah, those are great observations, John. Like sometimes you look at a form and it's easy to take one form or other for granted, but how do you, how do you really get there when we have all these, choices? So whereas, uh. In other projects where there is room to spread out and grab onto that landscape, those are solutions that were really well served by like a more modern, boxy, type of construction, whereas with, with this site here building up some very traditional, uh, solutions here. They, they do work. And, and the, the first, uh, one that I'd like to point out was that overall the, the owner considered this to be, uh, on the meter of being cottage versus being a house is a lot on the house side. So it had to have the comfort and it had to sort of fit the context and fit the expectation that a lot of people would have of building on, on the lake. In a more. Inobtrusive traditional way. So let's get down to the, point. One of the big features is this octagon room. Now, on the lakes there, we'll call them a Musk koka room. What they are, they're a screen room variously known in areas in various, uh, lake districts as the, uh, Pasco room. the Cowart room, the algonquin room, the Georgian Bay room, and so on and so on. I'm sure stateside, they would call it The on Adirondack room, or who knows? or, uh, what, what was the, the, the lake that you vacationed on, was that in the Ozarks? Of the Ozarks.

John Tyreman 22:28

Yep.

James Pitripov 22:29

of the Ozarks room. There you go. There it is.

John Tyreman 22:31

Actually, I think I re, I recall one of the cottages we stayed at had an Ozark room.

James Pitripov 22:35

well, there you go. There's the Ozark room. But let's give it a northern vibe.

John Tyreman 22:39

there you go.

James Pitripov 22:40

the, the, the quality of this, uh, that might not, be, immediately apparent is that in a lot of cases, the most coco room would be, ends up being a sort of boxy. Out rigor of the main house. Um, in this case, this octagon is open to the exterior on seven of eight sides, and. It is a vaulted timber ceiling on the inside. Those windows drop down into the wall, and when you are sitting in their John, it might not be obvious, but. you are really the overlooking, a pretty panoramic view over the, over the lake there.

John Tyreman 23:18

Yeah, I'm I'm looking at it. We've, there's a fish island, uh, photo of inside the octagon on lakeside architecture ca and yeah, I'm, I'm, looking at it now and you can see. That the, the, the view of the lake, it, it does look very panoramic and then it has these, these French doors that open up to the deck there. This is beautiful.

James Pitripov 23:41

thanks John. And the, the thing is like, when, when we, when I look at these, is not to show you a, like a particular place or, you know, to make an example of only one place. There, there are a lot of beautiful spaces that, that various, um, talented architects and designers will build on the lakes. what I like to do is to examine the deeper ideas and, and like, what, what are primary principles? I'd like to get your. Visitors on, uh, on, on the videos here to think about their own project and how could we use these ideas. So let's do a little deeper dive on, on, on this room here. Beautiful room. It's got a panoramic view. Well, I. this room can be developed in, in many ways. So in this case, it becomes the dining room because being with a family and having regular dinners with the kids, then, then adult visitors, older people, this is where their memories are made. So they want to be on the big space. Other. clients they might dress this up with in a more, uh, with Douglas Fir and exposed timbers and the, well, I was gonna say snow shoes on the wall. There are snow shoes on this wall, but it can go rustic too. And it can become more of an outdoor or in between space. But the, but the big move here was they got on the point of, of land and they have the one Space that's really embedded on that, that jewel of a location, which is on the top of the ridge with a panoramic view. You have to visit in person and walk around to really get the feel of it, but it's almost like a lookout tower when you're there. This is something that your, your visitors can do with a vision. If they, if they've got a vision of the type of space that they like, it's always. Let's start with the the big ideas and then then develop those and see where we get, and they produce new ideas

John Tyreman 25:26

And those, those ideas and that vision, and you like, you like to work with your clients in terms of 3D modeling so that you can actually help them kind of bring that vision to life. Can you, did you go through that process with this build in 3D model out this octagon section?

James Pitripov 25:43

was this was in a, uh, this was in a transitional, uh, uh, time for us. So we, we did, um, we did a little bit of that, but we were still had one leg in the, the, the prior world of drafting and multiple versions of designs and, uh, sitting in front of each other. Flipping through pages, John, my my big revelation was. That, design became more effective when we started using, more modern 3D modeling. And this partly was a function of COVID. During COVID, uh, we continued to be very busy with clients, but we were started taking our meetings on Zoom

John Tyreman 26:21

Mm-hmm.

James Pitripov 26:21

and we started designing 3D modeling and I could link clients onto the 3D modeling and we build it as we go. So now, instead of coming in with the ideal. Version of things because this is what architects will like to do, We like to present the perfect version. But if I've been working on a design for five or six weeks and it just, doesn doesn't hit it with the the clients, it misses something really key to them. You don't really get that time back in, in the design process. So now 3D modeling right away We talk about different spaces. We extrude the plans, we drag and drop windows, different roof profiles, flat roof, pitch roof, different angles, and it's a more integrative process. The reason I mentioned this is this is all about process. If you have a property that you're exploring, we can get a surveyor out there to give us a topography. We can put it into 3D modeling program, and I can quickly put a design on it. And you don't have to pick, is it gonna be modern? Is it gonna be traditional? Let's start playing with the ideas c. we can develop. Together online in real time. Likewise, if you're doing a grand Reno, why guess with what things will turn out, like or pretend that we will know what it'll look like and, and be like for a client. What we do now is we'll send out, we'll do digital, Uh, measurements, digital modeling of the existing. We can put new modeling on it. and we can really do the deep dive on design opportunities. That's what what this is all about is, is how, how to, how to, uh, recognize those, the, the big, uh, opportunities that, that we would have.

John Tyreman 28:09

What I like about that process, James, is the, um, is how rapidly you're able to collect feedback because of two things. Number one. You're presenting the designs in a way that is more easy for your clients to understand because they're in three dimensions, right? You're not looking at two dimensional drawings, you're looking at three dimensional. The second is that you are quickly able to get feedback from your client in real time. That reduces the burden on you to be able to design and uh, but it also increases the throughput of the process. So I think that's, I think that is spot on. So if, if folks have a vision and they want to engage you in this process, you've developed a design your Dream Home PDF Guide that's on the website, right? Can you tell the viewers a little bit about how they can use that tool?

James Pitripov 29:04

Yeah, that, that's a great idea, John. And, and here's a, here's a, a, a, footprint or a a trail map for, uh, for quick success on, on the project. if you, uh, if visitors hit up a Lakeside architecture.ca, you can check out some interesting projects. You can check out our social media, Instagram, uh, and all that great stuff. Get on there, tell me what you like, what you don't like. and then what is helpful is if visitors have a vision, weather, modern, traditional. lemme know the scope of things. bedrooms, how many bedrooms, orientation of rooms, the interiors that you like. And you can get all this online or you can write up lists of what you think is important to you and and so on. And then grab the guide, the design guide, and that guide will ask you a lot of basic, practical questions just so that we can get focused on, designs that can work for you. Now, here's a challenge for visitors. because I work in 3D modeling. A great idea is send me our ideas and we can set up one of these sessions, a design session. a studio session, and quickly test out some ideas. So, as you know, John, uh, I, uh, uh, have two companies. One is Lakeside Architecture Inc. Which is, focus on design and getting the, the spirit of the site and, your clients', vision, right? And then the second company, which has its own priorities is Lakeside Construction Management, Inc. And with the software, what we can do super quickly is we can take designs, working them out, and then very readily we're linked up to spreadsheets, Current construction costs on the lakes. And You can get a printout from the other side on here's how much your costs, construction costs is going to date. You wanna add the big slider windows? Here's the cost based on our last two or three projects. Um, do you wanna change the slope of the roof? Do you wanna try different layouts? We're getting live data. I haven't seen anybody doing this out in, in, uh, cottage design and construction. Not to this degree. So it's a great way to start. Great thing about the process is it's got off ramps to it. Start a design, have a little bit of fun with it. That is helpful. before jumping into a 500,000 or a million dollar cottage or a$3 million cottage. You just got your proposal from general contractor or you have this wonderful, but under buildable design, let's get the real data. And this only comes to experience on the lakes and I, I like to think We have live data from our own projects. We know what other, builders are doing, and I learn from clients as well all the time. So it's really important for visitors to get into that circle of what's really being built, where the smart money goes, and we can help them with that process. But they've gotta go to lakeside and get that PDF book. It's a lot of fun.

John Tyreman 32:07

Well, James, this has been a fantastic conversation. I learned a ton about what it takes to build on a point of land. I love the, uh, the process and everything that goes into that, and I think that is a, a, a lot more streamlined than some of the processes that I've seen out there. so thank you so much for this conversation. And like you said, visitors go to lakeside architecture.ca to learn more.