From Fixed to Growth: The Mindset Shift that You Need

In this Episode of The Peeples Exchange, Dr. Regis Peeples and Keara Peeples discuss the value of embracing a growth mindset in our everyday lives.

The conversation explores how business owners, education leaders, and community members can apply a growth mindset to navigate challenges, overcome internal barriers, and unlock new opportunities for growth. Whether you're an aspiring business owner worried about fully embracing the entrepreneurial journey or a leader in the classroom navigating resistance to change, outdated systems, or fear of trying new approaches that better support student growth, this episode is for you!

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:07

Welcome to the People's Exchange, where business meets education. I'm your host, Kiera Peoples.

SPEAKER_00 0:12

I'm Regis Peoples.

SPEAKER_01 0:13

And on this episode, we're going to talk about the importance of embracing a growth mindset in business and education. And honestly, wherever you are, because growth is important. Whether you're a professional, a business leader, or a student, this is the episode for you if you're looking to learn more about how you can grow your own mindset and adopt a growth mindset wherever you are. Awesome. Okay, so Regis, let's kick it off. I'd love to ask you what is a growth mindset?

SPEAKER_00 0:38

Uh, the concept of a growth mindset comes from Carol Dweck. Basically, long version short, she did some educational studies on kids, and she came to the conclusion that some kids um had growth and or fixed mindsets, and there's some intricacies in between as far as like motivations to learn, which types of tasks students would prefer based on what they thought about their own ability to complete those tasks. Yeah. Some of the students tended to prefer easier tasks that they knew wouldn't challenge them, and they also like to receive praise for those tasks. And on the other end, students would typically not prefer or not want to do tasks that were a little bit more challenging that they thought it was possible they might not succeed in. Although these tasks didn't necessarily involve receiving any kind of grade um or compensation other than praise, essentially, or a compliment and things of that nature.

SPEAKER_01 1:37

So it's interesting. They took the easy route, basically, or they or the in that experiment that is, uh they preferred to do the easy thing that they knew that they could do well and also liked receiving praise for that easy thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

Yeah, yeah. So and there's some intricacies and things of that nature, but the main point is to take away, you know, the idea that some people believe that they can attain skills and grow in certain areas. They don't think that they're limited to their lack of ability to do something, and on the other end, some people feel like they'll never be able to do something. Um, and obviously a lot of that is just because they believe they can't. They sort of limit themselves or have what's called a fixed mindset. All right. So I wanted to ask you, Kiera, do you think that abilities are something that people are born with, or do you think that abilities are things that people hone over time?

SPEAKER_01 2:35

Great question. I actually would say I take a hybrid approach to this because I think both can be true and two things can be true at the same time. I do believe um in the power of being anointed with certain gifts and talents. And I think that may come from my spiritual background. Um, I do think that, you know, God puts favor or places favor in our lives in certain areas. Some people are anointed to lead, some people are anointed to sing, some people are anointed when it comes to using their voice and giving powerful speeches that move people. I think Barack Obama is one of those people. Um but yes, I think that there are people that once you're born, uh, dependent on what your destiny is, because we all have a unique calling, um, God will anoint you with that. Um, now, on a different sense, I do also think that things can be grown within ourselves and we can acquire talents and skills. Um, we're not all born chemists, but there are people that grow up and they become chemists, you know. I think there's things that you can do to develop those skills, even as an athlete, or you know, if you aren't someone that was never good at basketball. Like I was never good at basketball. I tried out for the basketball team in the eighth grade. Um, but later in life, I was able to um shoot buckets. You say, you say to me that I make my buckets. So that's something that didn't come natural, you know. I had to practice. Um, so yeah, I think honestly, Regis, it's a hybrid of both. I think some people are anointed with gifts, and I think some people practice and you learn.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 4:06

Yeah, so I'd love to ask you do you have any examples of something or skill that maybe you weren't always good at and you later developed that skill? And I'd love to learn how you develop that skill.

SPEAKER_00 4:17

For me, I feel like most of the skills I have, I definitely had to cultivate them. I can't really think of anything that I would say I just naturally was good at or born to do. Um you know, a lot of the skills and hobbies I have I came into out of boredom and it was accidental, or I was just randomly spinning a pinwheel on a board to see what I should do for the day. I'm kind of an example of someone who tried to be a jack of all trades and not necessarily a master of one. I don't think that that was necessarily important. Um, I find that just having those skills makes you a master of having skills. And you know, I kind of looked at it like being a ninja. You can have all these different ninjutsu, um, but that doesn't necessarily mean that you have one ultimate powerful one. Sometimes variety is better and more potent than having just that one amazing talent.

SPEAKER_01 5:15

Oh, for sure. I guess in your instance, because you mentioned a lot of the skills you have now that you've you've watered and you've grown over time. Do you w do you believe that folks are born with certain skills, or do you believe that everybody grows into certain skills?

SPEAKER_00 5:30

I'm more of a believer in our limitlessness as beings. Um I'm really into Martin Heidegger's metaphysical way of looking at existential beings and people and the idea that everyone can really accomplish and achieve everything. We all have equal ability, although, you know, our mindset really impacts it heavily. So I think we're limitless as beings. If you want to be the next LeBron, you can, but you just gotta make it happen.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Okay. So we're all limitless as beings. Um, what do you think that we need to do to tap into that limitless potential? Like what do you think that is?

SPEAKER_00 6:13

I think to tap into more of our limitlessness as beings, we need to just believe that we can do it. And we need to go out and try things and we need to go and explore things. And it's okay to just randomly try something to see if you're good at it. A lot of people will say, Oh, you know, I only stick to this because I know I'm good at it. And it's like, well, you don't know what you're additionally great at.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Right. Or what you can improve in.

SPEAKER_00 6:38

So now that we kind of understand, you know, growth mindset versus fixed mindset, I'm really wondering if you have any pointers or advice for people that are trying to cultivate a growth mindset, or maybe some things that business owners or managers can do to sort of tap into that limitless potential to be the best selves that they can be.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

There's so many things that we can do to tap into our growth mindset, to activate our growth mindset if it's not already turned on, right? Turn that light switch on and just progress. Embrace challenges. Challenges help us grow. And so, in order to embrace challenges, look at them as learning opportunities. Um, and look at learning as the key to success, which really is. If you're not failing, you're not learning. If you're not failing, you're not growing. So in order to really tap into your growth mindset, you have to be comfortable with challenges that you may not always prevail in or you might not always win, right? I know, like when I would take tests in college and uh let's say I get a 90%, I see what I get wrong. Let me tell you something, Regis. I would never get that question wrong again because I learned from that challenge, you know, of getting it wrong. So embrace challenges. They're here to help you. You're here to grow. And then also persisting through setbacks. As an entrepreneur and a business owner, every day isn't going to look the same. You know, some days are full of activities, some days are full of leads, uh, some days are full of opportunities. And then sometimes all of those opportunities don't convert or they don't convert how we want them to. Or those partnerships we thought that were like in alignment, maybe it's not the right time for that, right? So embrace setbacks and know that it's part of the game. Growth is not like a sharpshooter up towards the sky. It's a spiral and it keeps going in all different directions, but you're you're spiraling, not spiraling in a bad way, but you're spiraling in the right direction going up. So persist through setbacks and then learn from criticism. This is really hard for me. I think I've always been told I'm a little bit of a sensitive uh person. Um, and I embrace my sensitivity because I think it makes me the creative, like empathetic and uh well-versed uh person that I am. But also it can be bad when these things that you feel make you hesitate from doing things where you might be criticized. So you have to be comfortable with criticism and know that it's a part of the game. And honestly, I've learned throughout my life that people that are willing to give me criticism and you know, being tactful uh about it, like that's a form of love because they want to see me do my best, right? And so embrace criticism and then learn from your criticism as well. Because we don't all have the right answers and we can all learn from each other. Continue to be a student of life. So humility will get you very far. Um, one, you can't do everything alone. That means you don't have all the answers. That means that some people are going to give you constructive feedback and some people are gonna help you so long as you use that constructive feedback. Don't internalize it in a negative way, but internalize it in a way to help you grow so long as it's coming from a trusted source. Continue to be a student, have that humility to say, like, there's something I can learn here. There's something that I can learn in every interaction. Like, what can you learn at the grocery store when you're picking out apples, right? There's something that you can learn every single day. Uh and then last but not least, find inspiration in others' success. We're not crabs in a bucket, right? Um, we don't have to drag each other down so we can try to get out, right? We can all get out together. And I think that's very important, especially in these trying times today.

SPEAKER_00 10:05

It sounds like you're encouraging learning from your mistakes, um, growing through exploring those mistakes and unpacking the reasons behind them and making sure that you hold yourself accountable on that journey of growth, um, and don't hide from the things that maybe you don't feel like make you the best version of yourself or that you've broadcasted and showcased the most adept skillet? Yeah, for sure. Okay, perfect. Um, and then also, you know, making sure you surround yourself with other like-minded, growth mindset-oriented people, so it's possible those things may find their way into your lives uh as you all, you know, have community.

SPEAKER_01 10:46

Yeah. I would love to ask you, Regis, what are some things that you feel like you can learn from other people in in your environments? What are some ways that other people teach you every day?

SPEAKER_00 10:58

So luckily for me and what I do, um, I get to learn every day, all the time. Every day when I talk to my students, I learn something. Every day when I talk to my coworkers about what they're teaching, I learn something. And it's just a space of academia and learning all the time, and it's really great. Um, and I'm super open to learning, so it's easier for the information to make its way to me because I'm not really closed off to other people's expression and what they deem as important information or knowledge. I'm always willing to just lend an ear and listen. Like they said, all I know is I know nothing, and I'm always trying to hear about what I don't know, which is almost everything, right? So a couple things I've taken away recently is just really better understanding certain cultural aspects within the classroom that I can help mitigate by talking to students about their in learning environments for where they grew up. For example, some students were raised in a learning environment where they need to keep a soft voice, not go too high in volume, and never argue with the instructor, right? But on the other end, a lot of students uh often come from places where debating with the instructor one-on-one is a crucial moment in learning where you get to not only challenge the instructor, but also gain some wisdom in return. Whether they're right or wrong is not really the point. It's about having that intellectual exchange and equipping themselves with the language that they need to navigate maybe potentially difficult conversations. Yeah. So a lot of communication-based skills, I would say, but also just information, honestly. It's just like a big gumbo pop.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

Yeah. I love that. I love that even though you are a leader in the academic space, you're still a student. And that's a beautiful illustrative example of what it looks like to also lead, but also to have that humility to be a student of life as well. So on that note, we've talked about the growth mindset, some key pointers that our listeners can uh take on and adopt when trying to grow their own growth mindset or awaken the growth mindsets that they already have. Um, now, Regis, let's pivot a little bit. What is a fixed mindset? How do you know someone's operating from a place of a fixed mindset as well?

SPEAKER_00 13:14

So a fixed mindset is basically when your mind is set on the idea that you can't improve at things, you have a fear of failure, um, or it can even manifest as you feeling like there's no need to put effort into something you're already skilled at, uh, and you don't really see the importance of mastering your craft. Um Having the fixed mindset isn't only about failing or not being able to do things, it's also let's say that you're a basketball player and you're like, well, you know, I average 80% from the three line. There, I don't need to go practice my threes. Oh, so you could be at a hundred percent, you can never miss a three. But yeah, if you think you're good enough already, that's also an example of a fixed mindset, even if you're not technically failing at shooting the threes.

SPEAKER_01 14:02

I didn't even think about it like that. I always thought the fixed mindset was just about those that need to improve in a certain area, why they don't go for it, right? But it's interesting because you could already be good at something and you don't sharpen that further because maybe you're working from a place of ego, it sounds like. Yeah, so it's very interesting. I always thought about fixed mindset only in that one realm, but there's multiple layers to this. So, like if somebody is a goat in their craft, like LeBron James, if he isn't going to practice, then he's basically what you're saying is he's operating from a fixed mindset. Meaning, not not that I can't learn this, but I don't think there's anything else for me to learn.

SPEAKER_00 14:42

Absolutely. And that would be an example that I would say that Alan Iverson would be a really great example. Okay, simply because you know, he scored 80 points plus points in a game, and you know, we all know Alan Iverson is one of the greatest of all out times, and he is famously known for getting in trouble for not going to practice. Oh wow and when he was in that famous interview, he was like, practice.

SPEAKER_01 15:08

Practice? Like, I don't need this. Practice?

SPEAKER_00 15:11

And he really literally let them put him on the bench. He took all kinds of penalties and things because he felt like he's so good. Why would he go to practice?

SPEAKER_01 15:22

What do you feel like the repercussions are for having a fixed mindset in that way? Where it's not that you haven't tried something because you don't think you're going to be good at it, but you're actually good at the thing and you don't want to continue to try the thing that maybe you've mastered in your mind.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

I think that what happens is you don't continue to evolve. And I think one part of evolving is yes, you're gonna hit that pinnacle where it's like, oh my gosh, I'm so amazing. And right now, while I'm in the room, I'm the best in the room.

unknown 15:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

But I think that what people in those scenarios, especially GOATs, fail to realize, is that there was a point where they weren't that person and someone else was. And then there was a point where they hit that apex and that pinnacle, and then they walked in the room, and then they became that person. So if you become content and satisfied, you don't evolve in a way that stops other people from catching up to you. Because there's always that other person that's looking up to you, and they're gonna see your records and they're gonna see what you're doing, and then they're gonna hit that, and then they get to decide do I want to go beyond this, or do I want to just sit here and I'm satisfied I finally reached this goal.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

I see. Thank you. Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

So now that we've gone through all these conversations, Kira, I really want you to tell our viewers a little bit about what limits growth mindsets within the business environment. I mean, what are some roadblocks, some limiters, what are some obstacles that might get thrown at you while you're running around the bridge?

SPEAKER_01 16:47

Certainly. And I'm going to speak directly to any of the business leaders or the business owners listening today, because it's important when you're running a business to consider these things, right? Uh, because not only should you be adopting and working in a place of a growth mindset, but your employees and your partners, you want to make sure that you're in an environment and you're creating an environment where other people are also doing the same because our environments really do shape us, right? Maybe it's not that you're a bad seed, but maybe you're planted in the wrong environment. We got to make sure our environments are what they need to be for us to produce the fruits of our labor. Fear-based leadership is probably a big blocker when it comes to growth in business and growing your business from a revenue stance, but also growing a relationship with your employees and sometimes even your customers. Because if you're a fear-based leader, your employees are operating from a place of anxiety. They're operating from a place of angst, they're operating from a place of worry. And when you are operating from a place of anxiety, you're not operating at your highest frequency and you're not going to produce your best work. Um, so for example, some ways that leaders actually create a fear-based leadership model, and even unintentionally, whether it's intentional, whether it's not, is they punish people for their mistakes often, right? Everyone's probably going to mess up once in the workplace, right? Especially if someone's new and maybe they make a mistake, they're in their onboarding phase, um, and you immediately write them up or they get fired, or you know, some leaders yell at their employees. Oh, couldn't be me. Couldn't it couldn't be me being that timeful leader and then couldn't be me as an employee. Yes, if you're yelling at employees, if you're writing employees up every single mistake, um, then you take away the opportunity for that employee to adopt a growth mindset because they fear failing and they're not going to do anything that challenges them that they can learn from because they're afraid of failing, or they're not going to share their ideas with you because maybe, you know, Samantha shared her idea last week and you didn't like it and you embarrassed her in front of the whole conference room. They're not going to do that, but maybe they're sitting on that million-dollar idea. So I think it's important as a leader to just practice our own kind of humility and to make sure that we're cultivating and creating safe spaces for our employees. And that means eliminating the fear-based leadership. It's better for people to respect you for who you are than to fear you. So fear-based leadership definitely is a blocker for growth in the workplace. And then also fear of failure. So whether it's yourself as a business owner or an aspiring business owner, maybe you've been sitting on an idea that you really think is gonna take off. You just feel like you can't do it because you haven't seen anybody do it successfully, or you don't have any mentors, or uh, you're just afraid of failing because of X reason, Y reason, Z reason, you know? Um, some people don't ever move, some people don't ever execute. I always say there's million-dollar CEOs that are asleep right now and they're sleeping on their ideas because they're afraid to execute. And honestly, a lot of these people that we look up to, what they did and what they do well is they execute and they fail quickly. So if you are failing, if your ideas aren't working, you pivot, but you never give up on yourself. And I think the fear of failure is what limits growth in business because people don't like to lose. You know, we we tend to want to be comfortable, we tend to want to be familiar with things. You talked about Carol Dweck's example earlier, where those students they just did the easy thing because they didn't want to potentially be wrong or, you know, fail. Um, so I would say that kind of transpires into the workplace. Whether you're a business owner sitting on a million-dollar idea, uh, whether you're a business owner not operationalizing your ideas because maybe you fear failing and you don't want to invest in your business maybe how you should, um, that fear of failure is going to slow you down. Um, and I think that limits growth. And then last but not least, lack of psychological safety, it does kind of bounce with the first point of the fear-based leadership. But psychological safety isn't just the role of maybe the person that's leading an organization, but even every employee, like if you are someone listening today and you're working a nine to five, um, you can actually create psychological fear within yourself, or you can create that hesitancy and angst all on your own because maybe it's how you're speaking to yourself. Um, maybe you are beating yourself up. And it doesn't necessarily mean like slapping yourself in the face. I mean, if you were doing that, maybe people would call you in somewhere. I don't know, but it it could be deeper than that. Like maybe you are when you wake up telling yourself you're not good enough, you're not smart enough, you know, you're not bright enough, you're working from a place of insecurity. If you're working from a place of insecurity, you're actually creating an unsafe environment in your mind. And whatever you do, whether you're a business leader, whether you are an entrepreneur, if you are an employee at a business, um, if you are a student, if you are a professor, if you are a president of a college, if you're speaking to yourself negatively, uh, that's going to limit your growth. And not only it's speaking to yourself negatively, but maybe consuming negative things uh from people, whether it be opinions from people that aren't doing what you want to do, or whether it be opinions from people that have done what you're trying to do, but they failed and they're kind of projecting that experience onto you. You have to be careful to not absorb things, be a sponge to what's good, but be a shield to what's bad for your mind.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

All right, great. I love that explanation and how you talked about the way those things intersect. Um, because it sounds like some of them can foster the other ones and manifest them um, you know, just by proxy. So that's really important. Yeah. And you kind of reminded me of what Carol Dweck said becoming is better than being.

SPEAKER_01 22:31

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:31

That's it. You know, just the idea that we need to always be becoming instead of just being the best or being the GOAT. We need to become and and go even further and always be in that transformative state of growth.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

So I'm reading a book right now called The Power and in the book it talks about how we all are kind of the authors of our lives and we're in control of our destiny. And really the way that we speak to ourselves and what we think and the way that we act controls our environment. So if you wake up and maybe you step on something and it hurts you, you're like ouch, oh my God, nothing goes right, you know, and you just you start spiraling um which you know happens to some of us sometimes but like if you kind of live in that spiral then you maybe you go into the grocery store and then you you get into a fender bender and then it's like okay and then something else is happening and then you go to you you know you go to the gym and then you lost your ID. Like I've had days like that and when I sit back and think about like okay why does this day going so horrible it's really because of the mindset I kind of woke up in. Honestly I really do believe that people can wake up on the wrong side of the bed. And um you got to make sure when you wake up you don't carry that energy with you. So yeah all that to say um that book I'm very happy to be reading it um because I I think about my best days and maybe how I've cultivated those good days and it's really my mind. And it's crazy because if you start thinking of yourself as a powerful being you will really take what you say about yourself more seriously and what you think about yourself more seriously. And you know what, Regis, that said, we talked about you know what limits a growth mindset in business. I'd love to learn from you what limits a growth mindset in education?

SPEAKER_00 24:15

So in education is pretty similar. I mean fear of failure in the classroom is a major one. I mean it that at a base level is the reason why a lot of people don't even raise their hands. Well I don't know if I have the right answer. Or I don't think that what I have to say is that important. I don't think so on and so forth. You know that's something I hear all the time. And I do this thing where I have my students go back in time and I would like to reverse their sentence and say oh can you say that again or I'll just repeat you know the initial question. Even like with sometimes with sharing work a student might get up and say oh this is really bad. I'm gonna read then it's just like all right look you already didn't mess up now here we go right so fair failure definitely yeah also a lot of our educational tools limit creativity and expression and some educators don't really explore experimental learning which is crucial. A lot of the learning techniques we use are a bit outdated and what people have to remember is that learning evolves with the technology around us and as the technology becomes more sophisticated we need to get a bit more clever in how we are passing along information especially in the internet in the internet and digital age. Yeah um so definitely creativity and experimentation is something that is lacking that can cause students to feel like they are not smart or not equipped to learn just simply because the learning style doesn't line up with the way that they learn. Yeah for sure.

SPEAKER_01 25:43

Cause I remember being a student and taking that test like what kind of learner are you? Are you tactile? Are you audio and I was always tactile so I need to do the thing even if I mess up because that's how I learn and um I don't know I I actually do relate to that because I I need to try. Like I can sit here and listen to somebody talk about it but I might not even be paying attention I got you. I might not even be paying attention but um I love that you share that example and I want to ask you as a a professor and academic leader um what are some things that you feel at a high level like professors and academic leaders and teachers can do to consider the learning styles um of everyone?

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Well one thing that educators can do is just immerse themselves in different experimental techniques and learning methods that are being tested a lot of people are doing dissertations and research where they're creating experiments or researching different strategies. I know play is a really big one that gets slept on a lot um the importance of play and learning a lot of people why are we playing in the classroom well people learn things while they're playing video games people learn communication skills while they're playing cards people learn critical thinking and math you're playing poker and games of chance and you're thinking about probabilities. So I think just being open to exploring different types of learning attempts and techniques and experiments and games and whatever the case is so being open to as an educational leader exploring different types of learning.

SPEAKER_01 27:14

So on that note I'd love to learn if there are any other types of experimental learning styles that you maybe you feel like professors or teachers aren't doing enough of in the classroom honestly I think play is the biggest one and I think right now it's the most important one because there's sort of been a migration away from play and uh to go back to the original point of limitations, uh grades, GPA, all of those things are limiters.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Um and also play can help eliminate sort of the idea of being smart or not smart because it does sort of reduce the stakes in a way that students aren't necessarily worried about their GPA because they're busy being engaged in play um as a learning device which is not the same as write this essay. Immediately you got grammar, syntax, spelling, structure there's all these things that are going to potentially come in the way of that student being successful. But if play is involved there's not necessarily a wrong way to play. Even when a game has rules people are really going to find their own way to navigate it. And that can help mitigate things like I'm not smart or I am smart um or even less equitable language where instructors will actually tell students that they're unintelligent or not smart or a bad writer. And all of that um language lacking in equity is something that also helps to cause students to have those feelings about themselves internally.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

That's very helpful. Thank you. I wish we had more play in uh my classrooms growing up I was always anxious about just failing tests and things of that nature but I wonder what kind of student I would have been and how much more I would have retained if the classroom felt more fun than anxiety inducing like um for sure. So that's very, very helpful. Um thank you I'm really glad that you're doing what you're doing so you can um help these students retain the knowledge that's going to help them in their everyday lives. So you talked about fair failure in the classroom you also talked about experimenting with different learning styles and teaching styles in the classroom as well is there anything else that we should consider when it comes to how growth can be limited in the classroom.

SPEAKER_00 29:24

I think Dr. J. Luke Wood is a really great um person to look towards and to look a little bit into his scholarship because sometimes having a growth mindset is not enough. The environments that we put people in similar to how you were mentioning you know the yelling manager or I'm mentioning the instructors telling students that they can't write or you know they're bad students or whatever the case is those environments actually are huge limiters as well. You can be as confident as you want to be but if you have someone coming in the room telling you every day that you're horrible at what you're doing no matter if you believe in yourself or not that is going to impact you in some way. Specifically with Dr. Wood he talks about um how race and prejudice intersect in education. So think about it like this if you have an instructor that only calls on male students to answer questions that might impact uh non-male identifying students uh thoughts about if their answers are important if their voice matters or if they're even smart maybe they feel like oh maybe every time I've answered a question I haven't given the right answer so he's not calling me or they're not calling me right um and at the same time you can insert anything into that box. This X, Y, Z student also the other thing is sometimes uh even in business, uh you know, there's certain groups of people who do receive positive feedback and positive reinforcement whereas other groups don't. So just looking into him I would say people need to kind of explore how they're navigating their own educational and business spaces and are are they really showing a bias in a way that might impact other people's belief about their own qualifications or excellence in the space.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Yeah I love that. Oh man this has been some great stuff Regis thank you for joining me today to chat through you know what a growth mindset is, why it's important in business and education and what we can do to grow our own growth mindset and why it's important whether you're a business leader, an employee, a student or an academic leader to practice cultivating and growing our growth mindset as well as what it looks like to do so in action. So wherever you are, just remember your environment matters, how you speak to yourself matters. And sometimes you have to be willing to uproot yourself and find the best environments for you so you could be your best self. And so that said wherever you are whatever you're doing make sure that when you wake up every day you're speaking life into yourself. Even if you have to speak to yourself in the mirror even if you have a journal and you have to write out your goals but also what you're doing well and maybe things that you want to improve on like create those goals for yourself so you can be your best self. Be a student of life and don't be afraid to learn.

SPEAKER_00 32:08

All right thank you all for tuning in this is Regis Peoples.

SPEAKER_01 32:11

This is Kier Peoples.

SPEAKER_00 32:12

All right and we're gonna catch y'all for the next one all right see you later.

SPEAKER_01 32:15

Talk to you soon bye bye