How Medical Lasers Are Revolutionizing Regenerative Medicine | Ep. 10

In this special "Best Of" episode, Robert Weber curates the most groundbreaking clinical insights from four world-leading experts in laser medicine, covering everything from interstitial pain therapy and ultrasound-guided regeneration to chronic infection protocols and stem cell activation. If you want to understand what medical lasers are truly capable of, this is the episode to start with.

In this episode, we cover:

🔬 Interstitial Laser vs. Topical Therapy (Dr. Volkmar Kreisel, Ep. 04)
Why surface-level laser has limits, and how delivering light directly into deep tissue (joints, lumbar spine) slashes pain scores from a 7 to a 2-3 on the VAS scale. Plus: how combining interstitial laser with PRP creates a powerful synergistic repair effect.

🩺 From 6 Treatments to 1 (Dr. Leonard Kaplan, Ep. 05)
How ultrasound-guided, fiber-optic laser therapy transformed regenerative medicine — turning what used to require 6 prolotherapy sessions into a single treatment for meniscal tears, labral tears, ligament damage, and nerve entrapments.

🦠 Laser Protocols for Chronic Infection (Petra Kscheschinski, Ep. 07)
A naturopathic doctor's front-line approach to treating Lyme disease, Long COVID, and cancer with IV laser and photodynamic therapy — and why building a biological "foundation" first makes results appear faster and last longer.

🧬 Stem Cells, Telomeres & Longevity (Dr. Himanshu Bansal, Ep. 08)
The landmark study combining IV Laser with nutraceuticals that achieved a 20% increase in telomere length. Why laser-activated PRP outperforms LED-activated PRP with a 15–20% greater growth factor release, and what the future of platelet-derived exosomes looks like.

Featured Guests:
Dr. Volkmar Kreisel — Anesthesiologist & Pain Management Specialist, Vice President of ISLA. A pioneer in interstitial and intravenous laser therapy with over 25 years of clinical experience.

Dr. Leonard Kaplan — Integrative & Regenerative Medicine Specialist, board-certified in Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation. One of the leading experts in ultrasound-guided laser procedures for tissue repair and oncology.

Petra Kscheschinski — Naturopathic Doctor (Germany), specializing in functional medicine, chronic infection, environmental medicine, and photodynamic cancer therapy.

Dr. Himanshu Bansal — Orthopedic Spine Surgeon and global authority on Stem Cell therapy and Photobiomodulation, with partner clinics in India, Bangkok, Dubai, and the USA.

Watch the Full Episodes:
📺 Ep. 04 – Chronic Pain & Interstitial Laser Therapy with Dr. Volkmar Kreisel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CenlDwToeqs
📺 Ep. 05 – Ultrasound-Guided Regeneration & Oncology with Dr. Leonard Kaplan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-sf27oySRQ
📺 Ep. 07 – Laser Protocol for Chronic Infection with Petra Kscheschinski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaK9ynQq6Lk
📺 Ep. 08 – How to Increase Stem Cells with Laser Therapy with Dr. Himanshu Bansal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbdmUsF3-Xo

Connect with Weber Medical:
🌐 Website: https://www.webermedical.com
💼 LinkedIn: / webermedical

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

So night, night and day. So I like telling people like it's this evolution of regenerative medicine, right? So, you know, the the older docs that were doing regenerative kind of medicine treatments before I even knew what those they were would use a treatment called prolotherapy. Prolotherapy basically stands for proliferative therapy, and the standard solution is just high concentration dextrose. And it's injected into broken down tendon, a ligament, and they would use it for cartilage repair, but it really wasn't very strong as that.

SPEAKER_04 0:40

So it's interesting to see that you're also using the full broad spectrum of the lasers nowadays in the genetic. Um of course, pain management is one of the applications where it's coming from, where it has a very strong background, but of course, there are more options. I think you already talked a lot about the uh topical approach, like with laser acupuncture or local tissue regeneration. How do you rate the success rate or also the limitation of this topical approach? Because I know you also moved a little bit towards invasive interstitial applications, so maybe you can tell us a little bit about your clinical difference when it comes to comparing such applications.

SPEAKER_03 1:16

So when I started with the lasers 25 years ago, I was definitely fascinated with what you can do with this without sticking a needle into the tissue. But you also saw that there were some limitations. Over the years, when you started up with this, you saw that treatment was really good, but the deeper the tissue you wanted to treat, the lower is the energy you bring from the uh you can bring from the topic of the skin to the um tissue. For example, if you uh want to treat a uh hip joint, you have to penetrate the scapula, you have to bring the photon through the scapula into the joint. And this is not very easy to do. You can do this in two ways. The one is you need a laser with a high power to bring the photon through this distance into the um joint. On the other hand, you can bring the laser directly into the tissue, into the joint, and this is what you do with the interstitial laser therapy. For me as an anesthesiologist, it's really cool to use this interstitial technique because uh you can do a puncture, you insert uh the laser catheter through this puncture needle, and you irradiate at the spot you want to treat. For example, inside a joint or for example, also in the lumbar spine if you like to treat disc products. You can use the laser in both ways topic and minimal invasive, and uh you will have really good results just using the laser on a with a topic irrigation. In several cases, you will definitely improve your results if you use the interstitial technique. So, over the years, this was a reason why I widen up my field of treatments, not only the pain therapy with the topic lasers or laser needles, but also the interstitial laser therapy and also the intravenous laser therapy. So everything is a really good tool, and nowadays we also have a good scientific background, what happens, and again, if you want to have a good result with your treatment, it's very, very important to bring the photons to the area you want to treat. If you bring it just on the surface of the skin, well it's fine, but it will not have any uh effect. If you have to treat deeper tissues, you have to bring it into the uh into this tissue on the one hand with a laser power, high power laser, or with an industrial laser therapy.

SPEAKER_04 4:05

Yeah, you're absolutely right. That's what we also observed in our clinical studies, of course, that the main limitations are happening when you want to go really deep into the tissue, like with you know, so many people suffering from deep low back pain, from hip joint issues or other uh shoulder issues. And yeah, I've also been fascinated by your work because I think you have been the very first one who did, for example, this interstitial application, like publishing data, where you did those studies on the back pain issues. Um, you also did some work with a combination of PRP, which was very interesting. So maybe you can share some of your clinical results here.

SPEAKER_03 4:43

Definitely. Well, um, so we did uh some smaller studies. What happens if you do industitial laser therapy in comparison if you do it on a topic uh irritation? And every case, definitely in every case, were about 20-25 patients for this small uh study, uh, we had a significant improvement in the uh um and a release of pain. So all these patients were treated before with non-steroids, they were treated with um physical therapy, they were treated also with the topical laser therapy. This was good, but uh they all had still a lot of pain in this lumbar area, for example. And using the interstitial laser therapy, on the average, it were about three to four treatments we did once a week. And in the end, the pain was released was very significantly um the um visceral analog scalar in the beginning. The beginning was about seven, in the end, we were about two to three, so it was halvened. This was very impressive. And uh this was about, let's say, right now ten years ago. Uh it was a small uh study. Nowadays, we have much more experience with this, hundreds of thousands of patients, meanwhile. If I have some time, I will do a uh check up and we'll see how the status is right now. But uh what we can say all in all, and as an overview, the results of the treatment are much more better as if you would do it alone with non-steroids and for example topyl laser therapy. The same near the same is with uh with the joints, and with the joints I especially use a combination uh with PRP platelet rich plasma. What we know nowadays is that the PRP contains a lot of different cells and enzymes, and uh this is a concentration of this content that has an anti-inflammatory effect in the tissue and a reparative regenerative effect too. There's also a small a small amount of stem cells inside of the now. If you inject this, for example, into a tissue, into a joint, and then after this you do a laser irrigation, for example, uh interstitial laser irrigation in the joint, you will activate these uh enzymes, and so the uh the the result in the end is much much better as if you would do each of these techniques alone. So the combination has a really good synergistic effect. So this is why we do this regularly, nearly every day in the clinic for several times.

SPEAKER_04 7:44

So you would say that it gives a special boost to the cellular injections you did before, right? When you compare when you did this before without the laser and now adding the laser?

SPEAKER_00 7:55

So night night and day. So I like telling people like it's this evolution of regenerative medicine, right? So, you know, the the older docs that were doing regenerative kind of medicine treatments before I even knew what the they were would use a treatment called prolotherapy. Prolotherapy basically stands for proliferative therapy, and the standard solution is just high concentration dextrose, and it's injected into broken down tendon, a ligament, and they would use it for cartilage repair, but it really wasn't very strong as that, you know. But an average amount of treatments in the olden days, and we're talking 20 years ago, let's say, right, it would take six treatments to get someone feeling better. Six treatments, right? Then came about then then we started using PRP, right? And then the PRP of rich plasma started to move the needle towards faster repair. So now you're talking maybe, and again, without anything else, about three to four treatments to get somebody feeling better, right? Then came the ultrasound, right? So now we're precisely placing PRP into the damaged tissue, and now we got probably squarely in the three three session territory, right? Then came the light therapy, and now what used to take me three treatments, a lot of times takes me one. That is insanely different. I mean, that's not I mean that's incredible, right? So and this is how I tail break down my patients, right? So for instance, like meniscal tear in the knee, right? 90% of the time, one treatment. Okay, wow. One treatment, right? You know, uh ligament and tendon tears, right? Labral tears, 90% of the time. There's still there's always gonna be an exception if it's a bigger tear, right? But now most of my patients, when they ask me how many, I'm like, you know, 80% chance gonna be one, which is incredible, right? Because again, before light therapy, I would tell them three, right? And then we got a 20% chance to immediately second, still less than three, right? You know, and I almost never have to do three at this point. And that's how that's all from light therapy. You know, I mean, it's but that's that's how big of a change it's made.

SPEAKER_04 10:12

Yeah, and that's very impressive. And yeah, now you already talked a little bit about different areas you're using it on. As we have also plenty of patients listening to this podcast, maybe you can tell us a little bit more about the most successful areas when we talk about those regenerative regenerative injection therapies, where do you see the best success?

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Yeah, so it works on everything. It's kind of hard to point a finger at one one thing. I would say if we list the things where it excels, right? Well, first of all, you have to reach it, right? So and I think what makes Weber so unique is that is the fiber optic system, right? So though that's that's really where the magic is, right? So the fact that you could target the tear by placing the fiber optic light into the tear itself makes all the difference in the world, you know. So with that, you know, any kind of tendon or muscle tears respond incredibly well, right? So normally we would inject a solution of of whether it's stem cells or platelets, and then I would leave the, you know, usually I would put two to three needles into the area, direct the fiber optics into there, leave it there for about 20 minutes, and then that just activates the whole repair cycle. Cartilage tears, we talked about meniscal tears in the knee, one treatment, right? So same thing. Usually I will take two photobiomodulating needles, put them into the meniscal tear, inject my solution, thread the fiber optics, and leave it there for about 20 minutes, and we'll run through red, infrared, green light usually, and then and then and then people come back in the month, and most of the time they're repaired. Labral tears. Very, very successful. So in conventional wisdom, if you have a hip labral tear or shoulder label tear, you need surgery. And I would tell you that probably I would say 90% of the time I can repair those labral tears with a combination of platelets and light. Right? The exception is very large tears. You know, that's the only exception, right? So if the tear happens to be, you know, when you look at, let's say, a label tear and you're you're talking about the circumference of the tear, right? If it's greater than 40%, so it's torn that far around the socket, the odds start to get less, right? But the most common tears are small. You know, they're they're within 10 to 15 percent of the car of the rim of the joint. Those do beautifully with the with these treatments. They respond very well, you know. So and then the last one I want to mention is nerve, nerve tissue, right? So nerves respond incredibly well to biomodulation. You know, so I would uh, you know, we could do that for carpal tunnel, you know, we could I could do the for nerve entrapments in legs and arms, and same thing, you know, sciatica, sciatic nerve entrapments in the leg. So inject and then leave the needle or two right around the nerve. Sometimes I'll put one underneath and one above. And then kind of transluminate through, you know, that way, and then you know, just it stimulates repair that much faster.

SPEAKER_04 13:29

Yeah. Yeah, and I know nowadays you're very experienced with the lasers. I know you're using a lot of ID lasers, you're doing photodynamic cancer treatments, you're doing transcranial stuff. Yeah. So maybe you tell us a little bit how you use the laser in your clinic, for which indications and where do you see the best success?

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Yeah. So, first of all, the laser was absolutely a a game changer in the whole therapy because we are not only physic biological beings, we are biophysical beings. And the laser, the frequencies, I was always very, very interested in frequencies. And so I got the low-level laser. I use it almost in every patient with chronic disease, everything. So I loved the intravenous laser laser treatment and I combined it with some really good IDs like photodynamic therapy. This is one thing. But at the same time, also the external laser and the helmet, and I also have a laser bed. So this is really important to combine it, yeah, to bind it to to involve it in a in a holistic treatment. From the steps I take with the patients, usually for me it's important to have kind of kind of a foundation so that they have well working and intestine. I do a lot of stool samples first, then I take blood and see is there any deficiency, vitamins, minerals. So I prepare them because what I saw is when they have a good foundation, the results are super quick, super immediately. You really can see after the first ID, a big, big change. So I have in between many patients from abroad, and they come for one week, some for two weeks, depending on the um heaviness of the disease they have. And we can do everyday intense treatment, and the body and the patients they are super happy because the body can absorb the treatment very well, and there is really sterocide effect just the opposite, no matter what kind of chronic disease it is.

SPEAKER_04 15:31

Right. And is it mainly cancer or what are the typical conditions you are treating in your clinic?

SPEAKER_01 15:37

Yeah, uh cancer patients absolutely, and um as early they come, as quick as they come after the diagnose, as much more affected as immediately. They have immediately affected most of the time. I have cancer patients, I have a lot of Lyme disease patients in some years post-COVID, non-COVID patients, yeah, but also many patients with addictions, not only alcohol or drugs, but addictions and shopping and everything. So everything what has to do with the brain as well, like yeah, Parkinson's Alzheimer's all kinds of chronic diseases. I would say when they have patients have no other idea how to step further, there is the point where we step in and they're definitely their laser therapy is the most amazing thing you can um add to the whole treatment.

SPEAKER_04 16:29

Okay, and can you share some of your clinical results or some success stories? For example, when we start with cancer, uh yeah, what do you see usually see when you have difficult cancer cases and treat them with photodynamic therapy?

SPEAKER_01 16:42

I'm super happy and super lucky because the the products we use here, also within uh the nano ICG and the cocamine, shock all this great stuff in combination with the low-level laser therapy. When there is a solid tumor, after two, three days you already can feel that the tumor changes. It gets harder, it gets more um more solid, and um with like lymphoma, or when I have patients with breast cancer, that's amazing because you see within the first day it definitely changed within the solid tumors. The results mostly are very good. So I would say um usually when they uh they are back home, they make a PET scan after two months, two and a half months. And usually all of them have a significant decrease of the cancer, and many of them are really solved with that whole thing. And for me, one of the most important things is what to work in in in a parallel is to um pay attention to the dental uh to the teeth. When people have still amalgam fillings or metal fillings, or when there is a root canal, or when there are news. So it means uh some sleeping I tell always it's like a sleeping bomb somewhere in the mouth. These patients have a hard time a harder time to get over the the disease. So always looking for the root and for the cause. And for me, teeth are super important to also include. And um, yeah, when people get some medication, sometimes people come after the first chemotherapies. When um bisphosphats are used, then it's really hard to um do some dental work because the dentist cannot remove a teeth tooth or something because because of the chemotherapy. So it's the best to start right away, and then the diagnose comes, and then the results are really, really tremendous. I would say 80-90% have due to this outside effects, and that is that is really important.

SPEAKER_04 18:48

Yeah, that's of course obviously very good, very good feedback. Yeah, then you said you also treat like chronic infection, like Lyme. So this is also very often very difficult, of course, to treat. We get a lot of people reaching out to us, what can we do in treating chronic Lyme? So it would be nice to hear your experience on that as well.

SPEAKER_01 19:06

Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I live here in the southern part of Germany and we have tons of ticks, and so people usually have a lot of uh borrelia or even FSME. So the meningitis thing, and um, for me, always, always the foundation is important, so means I take care of that they have a good immune system in regards to the intestine and some good blood work, and then usually I do uh intravenous laser therapy in combination with lipoflavine, but also as well with good tumor, means photodynamic therapy. And I repeat the sessions two, three times every second week. That's much better is the results when it is chronic. Sometimes they are tired for one, three, two, three days, but I tell them, and that is absolutely great.

SPEAKER_04 19:54

Yeah, so when you did this latest study, let's talk about this a little bit more because you know right now everybody's talking about longevity and what people can do to uh improve their lifespan with good quality of life. So when you you did the study, you did the laser, and uh, I think you said you did nutraceuticals as well. So can you explain a little bit more in detail the protocol you gave to the patients?

SPEAKER_02 20:17

Right, right. So, okay, let me before that, let me just brief. As we always talk, light is the energy, sunlight is the energy. Okay, and what I understood from the beginning that the basic principle is when you give a proper wavelength light, the mitochondria gets stimulated, the cytochrome C pathway gets stimulated, and you have a better ATP production. So having uh having that in background, I think we can use this principle of light for every organ, every cell, I mean, which can make ATP. So that was the basic concept. And before getting into longevity, the I started this photobiomodulation using a laser, of course, a Weber laser on PRPs. So if you can see platelet has messenger RNA, platelet has mitochondria, and we could stimulate through the laser light these mitochondrias to make better ATPs, to make more ATPs, hence more growth factor release, more growth factor synthesis. So this was one in vitro study which helped us to think this can be given in a bigger perspective. So I thought of doing a study, of course, not I, I should not say I, we and we planned that we should give intravenous laser on for five days with specific wavelengths of different colors. Why different colors? Because every cell will absorb different wavelengths in a different way. So maybe you guys, the people from biophysics, Dr. Weber, you you are more into that understanding of biophysics. Physics. I'm from the clinical side, so for me, my understanding is any colors which are safe, I can use and they will stimulate different parts of the cell, and ultimately they will increase the activity of the cell. That is my understanding. And we use that principle intravenous. The circulating stem cells, the circulating platelets, circulating WBCs will be stimulated, hence, they will give a proper anti-aging effect. So that is a principle. But the addition of neutraceuticals in India was very important because most of the people, though they are affluent, they are always deficient in some of the other nutraceuticals. So we didn't give a very high dose of neutraceuticals. We just wanted that they have a good diet. So we replenished all these patients, all these subjects, by basic nutraceuticals just to have them a good diet. You can have those nutraceuticals in a good diet as well, but understanding the limitations, the food habits of all of us, we replenished these patients with basic nutraceuticals and the laser. And of course, good healthy lifestyle has to be explained. We found phenomenal improvement in their quality of life, which is subjective. So we really wanted some more objective evidence. Subjective is easy. We checked all the questionnaires, fatigue questionnaires, sex questionnaires to see the quality of sexual life, appetite, digestive issues, sleep questionnaire. So we had a lot of subjective analysis. But we really wanted objective analysis, which was the most expensive part of the whole study. So we checked all the good cytokines in the blood before and after. We also checked the telomere length, the relative telomere length before and six months after the treatment, to see if we were objectively able to improve the biochemistry or the environment in the blood. And I can say 90% of the patients did extremely well, extremely well. And the remaining 10% also did well. May not be extremely well, but well. So I would say, and it's a it's a very simple method. I mean, there is nothing harmful you are doing to a patient. And if somebody can have a healthy aging, I am not saying he you increase the lifespan. No, we don't want to increase the lifespan, nobody can increase, but at least reach the lifespan the nature has given. A human being has been given 120 years of life by genomic analysis. And the target is not to increase from 120 to 130. The target is we all should reach 120, 110 healthy. Most of us we reach 80 and we are unhealthy. We reach 70, we are unhealthy. The target is to remain 110, 120 healthy. And if our cells, especially the stem cells, are healthy with proper telomeres, we will have all the organs be regenerated valentine and we will have a healthy life. That is the basic principle. I hope I have been able to explain your question to the point.