Unlocking Inner Power: Olivia Grace Jensen on Spiritual Leadership & Embodied Connection

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:40

Hello, and welcome to the Cornish Witch podcast. I'm your host, Freya, a witch who lives in Cornwall but who isn't a born and bred Cornish maid. In part two of this episode, Olivia shares her insights on soulful leadership, intuitive practices, and the importance of authentic connection in personal and professional life. Our conversation explores astrology, witchcraft, misogyny and the manosphere, and the transformative power of self-awareness. You talked about how you do soul leadership. Is it like compassionate leadership? Is it like a similar thing? I just know that where I work, there's currently a thing going on called compassionate leadership, which is being um it's come from the Brene Brown model. I kind of heard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, and it is looking at more of um, I think rather than being very goal-oriented and target-oriented and um micromanagement, it's looking at more of what does that person need, what has that person been through, how can we work with this person and empathize with this person to give them the most sort of beneficial for them to get the most benefit out of their job and also to feel happy and fulfilled in their job as well.

SPEAKER_01 2:06

Like, yeah, I haven't heard compassionate leadership as like a trademark thing, but I understand what you're saying, and yeah, I loved Brene Brown. She's amazing, yeah. Yeah. Um, I definitely see a big wave of different approaches to leadership happening because obviously what we have doesn't work. This hierarchical, top-down, super toxic, usually, yeah, usually masculine-driven, yeah. Um, you know, you've got to fit in this box, and all of that just does not work. So there's loads of different ways in. Um, I would say that it's there's two kind of ways to look at it for me. One is self-leadership and in kind of embodied authority, or there's lots of different ways to describe it, which is on a really basic term, like, are you okay with you? You know, are you are you integr in integrity with with you? You know, whatever you're doing in life, if nobody's watching, do you or someone, you know, feel like I am in alignment alignment with my truest values and I'm doing my best, accepting that, yeah, we're all human and we all have fallibilities and flaws and things we can't see, and shadows and you know, aspects of self that are hidden from us. But in general, like I love to support people with creative visionary potential and and their own leadership of like lead your own life.

SPEAKER_02 3:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:29

If there would no I always ask people, if there were no barriers and couldn't fail, what would you do? And that's a good benchmark, you know, if you don't if you don't have to worry about money, if you don't have to worry about paying your mortgage, if there's no little voice on your shoulder saying, You're not good enough, and remember your mum told you that you'd never amount to anything, or you know, what would you actually do? And and so I like to ask that, you know, to help people find that benchmark of well, that is actually possible. Um, and then I guess on a kind of systemic group, group way of looking at it, um a more soul-based approach of looking at group leadership is more about kind of what I do with the temples, which is okay, I've got this group of people, nobody is leading in this obviously I'm facilitating, but in a group, like I'm not looking at one person and thinking, okay, that person wants to do that thing, and that person doesn't want to do that thing, so I will cancel that out and do the third thing. It's more like how do I feel what's most appropriate and feel like the group as a being, and how do I offer something that reflects what the group as a whole is authentically needing or wanting, yeah, without railroading over anyone's needs or boundaries, but not prioritizing anything in particular either. So there's like a cohesion that's kind of what I'm looking for in a group space, is it's cohesion over like a veto yes or no. So I think that there's a there's a rising kind of leadership style that is very embryonic in its terms of people exploring this kind of thing of okay, you've got experts, but how do we listen to like say the centre of an organization and feel like what's most true for this organization? Leaning on research, leaning on expertise, leaning on natural hierarchy that comes with experience and development and wisdom, but not railroading over the voices of other people who are maybe more junior or whatever, and really trying to feel like what's true for this organizational culture? That's leadership that I'm really excited about. And then, of course, there's more like individual leadership, which is like as an authority in a company or an organization or whatever. How do you yeah, deal with the modern day as it is and support people's mental health and have compassion and care about people and make sure that people feel like they're not just a um cog in the wheel, but they're actually an asset to the company, and that's happening more and more.

SPEAKER_02 6:06

Because I I I even feel that I am just a cog. Yeah. And that I always say, Well, I'm just too a penny, I'm very replaceable. You might there's I I you don't feel valued, you know. It's like you can leave and we'll just find someone else. Yeah. Which is really disheartening. Yeah, really it's really disheartening, and it's just like, and then you just end up going through the motions of your job, and it's like, I'm doing this, I'm doing like the best that I can. Well, no, I'll do the best. I suppose it's like I'm doing the best that I can in a situation that I hate. So it's like I'll do the bare minimum, make sure that you know, all of my areas are covered, but I'm not gonna give any more. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

And it's well, that's refreshingly honest to say, because that's I think how so many people are living their lives. Yeah. I know from having worked in government for nearly 10 years and going through times of feeling incredibly inspired by my work and working my ass off to times where I was gonna put my head through the computer screen and feeling like I'm just doing the bare minimum here because I don't feel valued. Yeah. I don't feel like I'm giving my full potential.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

No, I'm I'm very much these days like will say to people I'm very close with, here for the income, not the outcome. Yeah. Which is so bad considering the the area that I work in. But that is that is how I suppose emotionally burnt out I am.

SPEAKER_01 7:29

Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

Not because of the people I work with and help, who I love, but the structures, the structure that I am stuck in. Yeah. And and it's just so toxic. It's such a toxic structure.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Well, that's just such a shame because and and this is a huge topic to dive into, but culturally we were never supposed to live so isolated and alone. And you know, I work for myself now, yeah. And the joy of that is that I'm not beholden to anyone, I don't have to deal with any of these toxic office politics bollocks. Um I'm completely in charge of my own time and my own destiny. I feel fully aligned with my work, yeah, I've been inspired. But as a single woman with obligations and you know, like my responsibility of yes, I don't have children, but I have this big hairy dog. Um the the world is not set up for us to thrive as creative visionaries that like I'm going out on a limb, you know, in some ways doing what I'm doing. Yeah, I'm not playing by the rules of modern society. Um I'm doing something that's edgy and unconventional, and I feel like I'm backed by life and supported on a deep level, and I have wonderful people and mentors and my family and people that love me and care about me and support me. But at the end of the day, like I'm alone, you know, I'm doing it alone. And my dad is a very entrepreneurial man, and and I remember him saying to me every single Monday morning he would go into the office and think that phone's not gonna ring unless I do something. Like everything is on me. This whole family system is on my shoulders, I am the sole provider, and the level of grit and determination and will that you have to have to do what he did. And and I I remember that. Like I try not to be so kind of like I don't know what I don't really know how to describe it, but it sounds like being really hard on your side.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Yeah, it's so much.

SPEAKER_01 9:39

I try not to think like that.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

But I do also feel like that. Um, and sometimes I do feel like wow, it would be much easier to get a job where I could just coast along, you know, do my soul work on the side and la, but it it doesn't feel in alignment. And also I feel like when we're not for me, when I'm not reaching my full potential, there's a tension point that the the the tension that exists is not worth the outcome of having an easier life. But as you're saying, you know, in inside structures and systems, even if you work in something that's like social work, which is what I was doing in New Zealand, um, compassionate, kind-hearted, incredible people. I mean, the civil servants I worked with in New Zealand were fantastic people, people really committed to the cause. Everyone was burnt out. There was so much drama, so much structural racism, so much challenges. And now I've kind of gone on my spiritual path and learned so much about embodiment and trauma and everything. I really feel like leadership positions are more often than not filled with people who have not done their embodiment work, who are not connected to themselves. They're they're stretched and doing their best often, but they don't have the capacity because of our systems and structures in our modern life to wrap their arms around their organization or their team in a way that's actually needed. And so you end up having people drop off, yeah, go quiet, work from home, feel quit, yeah, feel uninspired. Or compassion fatigue is a real thing, you know. Like I I have a lot of support doing the work doing the work that I do, and even still every time I have like an energy healing or anything, everyone's always like, you need to have more work and more help because you're holding so much for other people, and that I think that's important to understand that if you are in a compassionate role, a lot of our society thinks, oh, you're such a good person because you're a nurse, or you're such a good person because you want to work in mental health, because you've got caring qualities that lead you into these service industries, but at the end of the day, you're also only human, and being caring can only take you so far. You also need like rigorous support and like compassionate mental health support yourself, you also need to be like exercising and looking after your vessel and eating well and being inspired to do that. And I know that if I was kind of running a company, I would do it and want to do it so differently from what I see. But as I've been saying all along, I don't think we have the tools. All everything I'm speaking to, like without wanting to sound really grand and wanky about it, is like it's all stuff that I hope that this stuff is coming, you know. I hope 50 years' time, this is much more ingrained. There's a much different way of looking at things. And and at the moment, it's like those of us that really care about this stuff are like Isaacs', you know, like pioneering the way. There can be a different way for the world. Like we don't have to just fit in the same box that everyone else does. You know, it doesn't have to be so hard and boring.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

It feels very square pegged round. Yeah, as well.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Yeah, I think as an intuitive, creative, obviously, like you're very intuitive, creative, like you've got a witch podcast. Like you were not supposed, I imagine, to fit in some normal organizational structure. And ideally, a leadership team or system would be able to see your unique genius and your unique gifts and draw that out and support you to flourish and to work in a way that brings out the best in you and therefore supports the the soul or the heart of the organization. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:35

But that requires like it requires major change and effort from the top, from the top and the structure that we are currently in, even though we are aware that, you know, as you said at the start of the podcast, things are starting to crumble and things are starting to change. It might not be for another 50 years. Yeah. In which I really hope I'm not working by then.

SPEAKER_01 13:58

Be exhausted. Um, your podcast could make you a gazillioner. You could be the Beyoncé of Podcasting. The Beyoncé of Podcasting, the Sasha Fierce of podcasting.

SPEAKER_02 14:07

I'll take it. Like, but what you're doing it is so inspiring. Don't you? It is so inspiring, and I would love to be able to do what you do in that sense of doing it on your own and you know, branching out and like you said, going out on a limb. It's so brave and courageous, but so inspiring. And I get that it's hard work and it's scary, especially in this society, but it's fucking awesome. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 14:33

I mean, honestly, I have days where I just like cry and just wish that someone could tell me what to do, and yeah, because it's not maybe you know this from doing the podcast. I feel like my craft, you know, my facilitation, my mentorship, my hands-on work, that's my craft. My writing, that's my craft. I'm good at that.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:56

Marketing, Instagram, fucking Canva. Yeah. I actually pay sometimes to do my podcast because it's just as in like he he adds and he created the music for it and adds the music, and because I'd just rather outsource that. So I I try and outsource the things that I know would just take me forever because I'm such a technophobe, it's not even funny.

SPEAKER_02 15:19

But if you can take the stress away from it, then yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:22

I know, and I kind of tell myself, you know, that like traditional thing of like think like a leader, you know, act like a CEO. So I'm like, okay, I'm gonna act like a CEO.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Have you ever seen that meeting where it's like dress for the job you want? Yeah, and then it's David Bowie as like Jareth, the Goblin King, and then it says, This is why I got fired, and I'm like, that would be me. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:41

Yeah. Yeah. So I try and try and do that, you know, like okay, play to my strengths. I could sit here trying to sort something out technological for 20 years, or I could just pay someone to do it.

SPEAKER_02 15:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:54

Um, but yeah, it it's such a crash course in because in the modern world, you know, like I have to have a brand.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

And and I I I I'm learning that you have to be a product. Yeah, people need to like me, they need to feel me, and and there's definitely ways in which I could, you know, the top three things to have a mind-blowing orgasm or the this or the that, and like not to kind of be rude about anybody that does that, but it's just not my style. Like I like depth.

SPEAKER_02 16:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

And also like deeply, deeply like transformational work is not for everyone. No, people have to feel it. They people have to feel the signal, you know. Like, hopefully, there's somebody listening to this that's like, wow, she sounds cool. Reach out to me, you know. But there'll be people that are like, what the fuck is she talking about? That's fine, you know. It's like it's not I'm not trying to be for everyone, but the behind-the-scenes stuff and the grafting of what it takes to become trusted and seen, you know, have people come to my events, it's a lot of stuff behind the scenes for a two-hour thing that happens. Yeah, like it is a lot of work. Sometimes I question, you know, do I have the capacity for this? And then, like I was sharing about the temple on Friday, it was very subtle, but there was a depth, there was a drop that I really felt okay, we're starting to build a culture. Yeah, people are coming, they're coming back, people are feeling safe, people are telling their friends, and then we're able to drop that little bit deeper. And most people are like, wow, I felt really safe. Amazing. Yeah, that's the gob.

SPEAKER_02 17:33

I would love to come and experience the note. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:37

I might be very nervous and very like absolutely. The great irony is that I've honestly spent years feeling like the most celibate nun in the room, the most awkward at the temple. Like, I'm not someone that's like super touchy-feely, like, I also have a resting bitch face, like I can be very aloof. Um, I'm very sensitive. Um, yeah, like I definitely am not anyone at a party that will like work the room and you know, be like a social. I'm someone that like stands in the corner and and meets one person and like locks eyes with them, and I'm like, you, yeah, I'm gonna have a deep chat with you. You know, I don't see myself as like particularly in in social situations, like super at ease in group, but there's something in like I guess my facilitation or like my soul, I don't know what it is, but where I really believe in this stuff. And I I also try and make it funny, you know. I try and be like, if you're having a shit time, just shut your eyes and you know, like it'll be over soon. You know, if you're just maybe you're you know, I'm guiding people like breathe and move and sound and la la la. And like if you feel like this is absolutely horrendous, and you just wish you weren't here, just breathe. You know, if you feel like nothing's happening, just breathe. Something will happen. You know, it's it's also like not about taking it seriously, you know. It's like nothing needs to happen, it's just an experience. And if people go away feeling more connected to themselves and more hopeful about life, yeah, less isolated, amazing.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

Yeah, yeah. You mentioned your craft. Um, would you call yourself a witch or just a spiritual, very spiritual woman or I would call myself a witch, actually, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:36

Like I I feel like I'm everybody is, but like my own brand of witch. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

Do you have sort of daily rituals? Do you use any form of divination or spell work that you like to do?

SPEAKER_01 19:50

I would say my like witchcraft is honestly I feel most in my witch archetype when I'm in wild nature, yeah, on the beach. Yeah. And yeah, even like in my Anorak, you know, and like I spend all my time in this bloody Anorak and waterproof trousers, playing with my dog and a long line on the beach. Yeah. But there's something in the feeling of like the sea in my face and the wind in my face that I feel really connected to the elements and really connected to the earth. I have a very strong bond with land. New Zealand, Sicily, all the places I've lived have all been islands, like down the end of the country where I find myself now. They've all been wild, kind of like West Coast feeling of expansion. Um yeah, I collect a lot of things, like I'm very, very sentimental. Like I've got this little bowl over there, and that's every single rock in there is from a different place, like Mount Kailash in Tibet or Australia, or different things, and and although they might just look like a bowl of rocks to someone, they're they're important to me. Um yeah, and yeah, I would say like ritual, and I'm always like moving my little things around, and you know, they always kind of mean different things to me and wear particular things that represent something. And like I bought myself a ring when I moved here um that was made by a a lovely lady somewhere in Cornwall where she collects the sea glass on the beaches, and then she makes rings from that, and that felt like a real symbol of this next phase of my life, and the rose that it's got a dried rose there on the altar. That's um from the first retreat that I did in Ireland with this body of work that I co facilitate called Softcore. And we each had three pink roses for three of us who were facilitating and sort of kept that on my altar for the whole of the last year. And that's just a way of me being connected to that work and yeah, really living living it. It's a lot about embodied spirituality and integration and femininity.

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:00

Yeah, so pr I'm pretty practical. Pretty earthy, I'd say, in my witchiness.

SPEAKER_02 22:05

You said your sun sign was I'm Aquarius. Your sun sign's Aquarius. Oh, so you mentioned your soul sign.

SPEAKER_01 22:12

Libra, yeah, Libra rising.

SPEAKER_02 22:13

What is oh, so you call your soul s your rising sign your soul sign. Ah, I see. Okay, so then what's your moon sign?

SPEAKER_01 22:19

Cancer.

unknown 22:20

Oh.

SPEAKER_01 22:23

Got the aloof Aquarius. Yeah, the romantic lover girl who's the Libra. And um, yeah, super homey, emotional, and cheerful. Oh yeah, cancer. All cancer moons of big cry babies. Yeah, watery, really worshering. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:44

Oh, okay. Yeah. Interesting. What are you? Oh, I'm Pisces. Someone my sun sign is Pisces. I guess my soul sign, rising sign is Leo. Oh, yeah. And then my moon sign is Aries. Okay. Yeah. So we're quite mixed.

SPEAKER_01 22:58

Yeah. Are you fiery? Aries moons are a bit scary sometimes, I think.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

I think it's funny because my my sun sign is Pisces, but then I've got fire in my rising and my and my moon sign. Yeah, I can be feisty. Yeah. Very feisty.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

The arisings are destined to be seen. Your podcast is going to become a global phenomenon.

SPEAKER_02 23:19

Do you think? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

Oh, thank you so much. Well, I I all the arisings I know, it's like you're destined to be seen in some way. Seen and heard and creative and brave and the the lion and the heart is the sign of what represents the Leo, I think.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

Yeah, I feel like it's a lot of with my Leo Rising, it's a lot of um if I'm going, I thought do you know it's funny, I think getting into my 30s and well, the last seven years of my 30s, um I become more into my Leo Rising rather than that shy, quiet, intuitive Pisces, which is still, you know, obviously a part of me. Um, but I think going and doing anything new and it or exploring something new, my Leo Rising's been there to be like, have the courage and go and do it and be courageous and just you know, and then meeting new people and very like, Hi, how are you? Yeah, whereas like ten years ago when I was 27, I'd have been like, yeah, very quiet, very assuming. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's interesting how how you grow. And I think it's interesting how you can actually grow with your birth chart and your star signs as well.

SPEAKER_01 24:25

Totally, yeah. Yeah, I love astrology, there's so much to dive into, but it can be super interesting to see in in your lifetime and the transits, what parts get fired up in certain aspects and the the kind of the the arc of of these last years of my spiritual awakening, like the deepest times of transformation. I was having a Pluto transit on my Mars and Venus.

SPEAKER_02 24:49

Do you have your own birth chart? Yeah. Yeah, I've got one. It's funny. Mine's mine is actually it's a 37-year-old piece of paper because my parents had it done when I was born. Oh wow. Yeah, I need to get it framed because it's like so thin. Oh, that's so cool. Yeah, it's all in like so they got they had a guy do it and then he charted everything and it's got all of the colours and the plant. Oh, so your parents are into astrology. My dad is massively like well, I think as my parents have got older, well, my dad still is. I think as my mum has got older, I think she's she's probably mellowed a little bit more. But my parents are just huge, huge hippies. I was a very fair old child. Wow, cool.

SPEAKER_01 25:24

Yeah, so oh yeah, it's interesting because I think I mean I hope I have a baby one day, but I'll definitely look at their astrology, but then you also don't want to pigeonhole them and get into that, oh that's they're like that because they're a Pisces, or they're like this because they're but I think it's interesting because I I've kind of gone down all the rabbit holes of all my immediate family's charts and it makes a lot of sense in the ways that we're similar and different.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:51

Yeah. I I love astrology, I find it fascinating.

SPEAKER_02 25:54

I would love to do a podcast, you know, if you wanted to, mainly on birth charts and astrology, if you wanted to talk about that because I have my birth chart and you know I what's the word? Is it dabble? Or is it like am I a bit of a novice? I'm not deep into it as I would like to be, but I find it so fascinating, especially with the planets that you have in your birth chart and you know whether they're moving, um, whether they're in retrograde or um I can't even think of the word right now, um, and your Lilith sign as well. I find it absolutely fascinating, but I'm not as um versed in it as I'd like to be. So neither am I.

SPEAKER_01 26:36

I'm not an expert by any means, but I find it super interesting. There's a a woman called um she's at visionary astrology on Instagram, she's a Sicilian called Georgia, she's my favorite astrologer. I've had a reading with her, she's quite hard to get one with, but she's amazing because she's very, very psychically attuned, and I feel like that's where I like to use astrology with my clients because it helps me feel them on an elemental level, because a lot of my work is also about holistic well-being as a foundation, so how to balance out any imbalances or whatever with people, and so if somebody's like super earthy, it tends to be that they need a little bit more air or fire, or if someone's super watery and they want to work on their um kind of like leadership capacity, sometimes it can be about bringing in a little bit of earth, and so it's just about finding where in the chart um you need a bit more stability or or fire or whatever in other ways, so that can be a really interesting way in to meet someone and and it complements also my kind of psychic sense of someone as well, because that that's that's a lot of the work a lot of the work that I do is like very unseen, you know. It's like I really feel someone on a deep level, but because there's no specific data, yeah, I'm never like this is correct, you know. But I'm just feeling like sensing this, does that feel true? And and sometimes the astrology does help, yeah. Look at that, and and anyway, that's kind of how I experienced Georgia. She had a reading with her, and not only is she looking at your chart from a very experienced person, but she's also quite psychic, so it's a good balance, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 28:24

Yeah. How would you say your psychic gifts work for you?

SPEAKER_01 28:28

Um so very, very common is I'm I have a dream about someone, yeah, wake up when they've messaged me, or um in like sometimes really random. Yeah. You know, someone I haven't seen or heard of for years. Um pretty much every time I invite someone onto my podcast, they reply saying, Wow, funny you should invite me. I literally just said that I wanted to start talking about this or so it's kind of like I feel like I'm connected to a field or a feeling of something that's like there's a resonance. Um intuition, yeah, like I just trust my intuition really above anything and with I get that felt sense of I don't know, it's hard to describe, but I feel like I've I've trusted it long enough that I feel like my data points with myself are pretty strong. Yeah. I'm very rarely wrong. I'm always open to being surprised because I think it's important not to just kind of put yourself in a box or believe that you are the master, you know, and know everything about everything. Of course you don't, and we can never really know what's happening in someone, of course. Like that's a foundational principle of like any mentoring or therapeutic workers can just have to be curious, you know, you can never really know. But I do get a strong felt sense about certain things and certain people, and I'm I just trust it. I just trust my my gut and say my gut, but it's not really my gut, it's like I feel like I'm an octopus, you know, like in human design, there's different centers in which certain signs are particularly like connected to certain places. So if you're like a whatever you're a spleen dominant, if you're this you're gut dominant or whatever.

SPEAKER_02 30:23

That comes in a lot with reflexology as well, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah. And those those channels that move through the body.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

Yeah. So I'm a reflector in human design, um, which means that I don't have any I'm like a completely open vessel. I have no closed centres. And I don't don't really know that much about it, and I also don't put too much on it. But that when I found that out, because it reflectors are very rare, the 1% of the population, I that that helped me understand myself because I've always felt like quite octopus-like in the way that I can feel and sense and pick up energies. And yeah, I just kind of trust that. And my mum always says that I just sit there with this like blank face, you're like resting bitch face, like reading everyone, and she's just like, oh, yeah, you know, it can make people feel a little bit uncomfortable.

SPEAKER_02 31:20

But I feel like I'm just I'm like experiencing a lot, you know, like But you're like if I thought you're putting the feelers out, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But octopuses do that, they put the feelers out, they put their yeah, their legs or their uh eight arms out, and they've got all of those suction pads that can like feel and sense everything. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:40

Yeah, they sense in danger, they know and I always used to play games with myself of like when I was doing tantrum massage, I would guess, okay, from this text message of this email, what is this person gonna look like, what are they gonna sound like, what are they gonna feel like, like what's their kind of archetypal structure, and I would always like just play these little games and see if I was right or wrong. It's just really sad.

SPEAKER_02 32:05

Can you look at people and see what their archetype is from looking at their the way they are, like their how you feel just how you feel it?

SPEAKER_01 32:15

It's sometimes obvious things like if someone dresses a certain way, or I don't know, like if slick and wearing a business suit, or like little things that I can pick up on someone, you know, like are they wearing a wedding ring or do they talk about their children, or you know, like these kind of social cues where you can get a felt sense of somebody. So is is somebody late? Are they chaotic? You know, this this kind of like things that we can understand about people and how they move and eye contact and you know, the felt sense of them in presence, like yeah, do they feel comfortable with their skin? But in general, I think it's just more feely.

SPEAKER_03 32:56

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

Eye contact can be so difficult for some people, yeah, yeah. And again, it was me as well. I can depending on how comfortable I feel with someone, I will never have an issue with eye contact, or depending on the situation I'm in, I really struggle with eye contact. Yeah, it's really interesting, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:13

I'm kind of the same, and even now, you know, when people are like stare deeply in someone's eyes, sometimes I'm like, oh god, don't know. But it can be so powerful as well. Like, yeah, but I think I like probably you've noticed, like as I'm talking, I'm kind of like looking around the room. I'm not necessarily when somebody's talking, I'm like staring at them, but when I'm talking, I I look around and I think I don't know why that is. I don't think I'm avoiding intimacy.

SPEAKER_02 33:39

I think it's just a thinking in the world, yeah, and also your thinking and your and your processing and you're reflecting as well. Yeah, yeah. So if you are staring at me intending what's doing all of that, I might be looking at it.

SPEAKER_00 33:59

Yeah, that would be weird. How long will I, you know, an hour and a half in just been pen and chased by my gaze?

SPEAKER_02 34:06

Your eyes are very lovely, so yeah, it's fine. Um, so if people want to look in with you for um your soul leadership work or the the intimacy um oh sorry, what were you calling it earlier? Had it had a brain fart.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

My brain's just gone. Um I don't know, I don't know. I probably use so many words. So in intimacy, yeah. My my main words if you go on my website is leadership, mentorship, intimacy, mentorship, intimacy mentorship and then I do couples, immersions, yeah, and also work with women.

SPEAKER_02 34:47

Okay. What sort of um well actually, how many men do you have come to you compared to women? What's your ratio?

SPEAKER_01 34:54

Um at the moment it's still more male dominant. Um it used to be very male dominant. Um now it's evening out a little bit. Um, but I still tend to work with more more men than women.

SPEAKER_02 35:10

That I find that really surprising. Yeah. I don't know why. Like I thought more women would be coming to you on because it's such an intimate space the way you work with people. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:20

Like um, I think I think there's there's lots of really great women doing really great work with women, and there's less women I think offering the kind of soul-based work that I'm doing with men. There's a lot of women offering sex work for men, but that's not what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

Do you have men come to you think expecting that? And then they're like, oh, it was wasn't what I expected.

SPEAKER_01 35:47

No, it's I think it's really clear. That was good. Yeah. Yeah. I mean sometimes, but I think it's pretty clear. Yeah. Um, yeah, like there's so many ways in which, like, if you want sex work, there's many ways to find it. Yes, not me. Um I think it's really clear from my channels that people are looking for something a bit different. Yeah. Um, yeah, I tend to work with a lot of men in relationship who are really wanting deeper intimacy with the person that they love and that they're in connection with. And often the journey is about them connecting really deeply with themselves first, and then that's a doorway to remeeting the intimacy in the relationship.

SPEAKER_02 36:31

It's very refreshing to hear. It's very refreshing to hear because I'm I've literally come off the back of watching Louisa Rue's Minus I W Andre the other day. You know, scream the shout. But it's I think the the way society is and men in particular, it's there is no sort of deeper connection to themselves. There's no in intimacy, like you said, it's very seems very transactional. We know that misogyny is rife at the moment. It's they want someone who can who looks like a porn star, who they can treat like a porn star, but who also cooks and cleans and treats them like their mother. Like it's so for you to say you're working with men who are coming to you who are wanting a deeper connection with themselves and with the partner that they're with, that's just so refreshing to hear. Yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 37:26

And honestly, the men I work with are so far away from these manusphere men, they are good, kind, loyal, wonderful, lovely people mostly that I've worked with over the many years. And yeah, the a lot of the time these men are looking for sensuality and softness, and they just don't know how to ask for it or receive it. And and also things like having children and their partner going through the menopause can have a massive impact on the relationship, and and often there's not the tools or the communication to be able to address those things inside the relationship, and to do so kind of shakes the foundations of the connection. And a lot of men have put and women, but in the context of my work with men, a lot of people put providing work and family above their themselves and meeting their own needs and being in connection with their own essential nature for so long. By the time they get to like 40 plus, they're just like craving themselves. They just really want to know who they are and feel passionate about life again and pick up the guitar like they haven't played for so many years, or write that thing, or you know, just enjoy their life a lot more, like and and they've just kind of been doing and doing and doing and serving the family unit for so long. So that's some of the kind of common threads and themes that I see. But yeah, the Manasphere documentary is if anybody listening wants to watch it, I think it's a really important watch, but it's fucking terrifying.

SPEAKER_02 39:09

Yeah, I'm in like two minds about it. Because I I think I mean I love Louis Thoreau, I think he's great, and I also think he's very funny the way he comes the way he is, he portrays himself when it when he goes into a sort of journalist identity when he's in there. I think he's very funny, um, but in a good way. Um so I I'm in two minds about it. Yeah, I like that he did it because it brings more exposure to how bad this is, but at the same time, I'm like, I don't want to be giv you to be giving these people any more attention than they're already putting out there. So I'm in a bit like two minds about it.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

Yeah, yeah. But attention is knowledge, I think. Yes, and in this context, because there's the this documentary has ignited a conversation that is bringing awareness to a lot of people who weren't aware about how insidious this red pill culture is. Um I don't know whether you ever watched that um series at the I was that was fantastic as well. Stephen had a ball about yeah, he was uh just incredible in that, yeah. And um yeah, I think it's really important that we're having this conversation about boys, young boys. Yes, yeah, because you know, HS Tiki Toki in the Manosphere documentary, he's got half a million people in the telegram group, and the the culture of that group, like aside from you know, the misogyny and the uprising of trad wife culture and yeah, like suppression of the female voice and you know dominator culture and all that stuff, the the also the bullying that's normalized and like the lack of respect for Louisa Rue in that documentary and just the sabotage trying to sabotage him every time and he went in with such integral integrity and at times would have quite a dignified silence and would just let them get on with it, which made them look stupid. I know, I thought that was great. Yeah, he really he really liked this is a horrible term, but like he really gave them the rope to hang themselves with in that documentary, which I think I I thought was quite artful. Yes, they really exposed themselves as the young men that they are. You know, these are these are young, these are young men. Their pre-frontal cortex is not fully developed, you know. Like most of them are not even 25 yet. They've got this global massive following, they're completely unintegrated in their masculine qualities, there's so much toxicity, and it's terrifying that there are young men and boys, yeah, yeah, young boys. Picking up on, I thought one of the saddest things was was the commentary about the ingrained belief that women are inherently beautiful and can therefore get what they want because they've got something to offer. Yeah, that's men are um men are worthless in their terms, and therefore you need to be strong, fit, go to the gym, be successful, make money, because no one's gonna give you anything in life and you're inherently worthless. And I do feel like I feel really passionate about working with men because of course, like there's so much gender, you know, toxicity across the world, and and women and other people of other genders need their voices heard too. But men are not being initiated by elders anymore, men are not being walked through the rite of passages of their life. Most of the men in this documentary have got absent fathers. Um, who we've got on the world stage are just like even Gabo Mate, the world-renowned trauma therapist, heard him talking on the Blind Boy podcast about how Donald Trump is basically just vomiting his trauma out into the world. There's so few really strong, healthy embodiment of healthy masculine leadership out there in the world. So I feel like a lot of men, young men, you know, they're rudderless and they're looking towards these kind of big brother fatherly figures, and they're soaking up this knowledge about what it is to be a man, and that's really scary.

SPEAKER_02 43:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

And so I'm glad that there's a conversation happening about that. Like, yes, every you know, the voices of women, etc., are important in this context, but men are still half the population, yeah. And and they're like I my experience of working with men is they are just as tender, just as sensitive, just as intuitive, just as beautiful as women. But they've been conditioned to believe that they uh they have to be a certain way. And again, like we were talking about earlier. fit fit into a a box or square peg in around home. Yeah. It's heartbreaking, really. Like if you imagine having a little boy. Yeah. To kind of see the evolution of a young boy over time and and suddenly this belief I've got to be strong, I can't cry, and you know, gotta be a certain way. And yeah, I I really want something different from men as well.

SPEAKER_02 44:27

Yeah. I love how you say that and the sun's just suddenly started to shine on us. It's like Yeah. Like a beam of light. Nope. Yeah. Um let's do a bit of promo which I think is really important because um I think as women we can find it really difficult to promote ourselves. Yeah I love that.

SPEAKER_01 44:44

And you do this I really love that you do this.

SPEAKER_02 44:46

It's just yeah goes against all of that like stupid shit about you know some you can only rise if the other person's not rising and you know like no I'm all about I'm all about helping I mean this platform is for men, women, non-binary, transgender, whatever people want to identify as um but I think being a woman and going through the oppression that we experience as women and girls growing up I do want to encourage women who who come on here to feel empowered to promote the things that they do.

SPEAKER_03 45:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 45:26

And let's say it's okay to put your passions and put your you know put your work your livelihoods in what you do out there so people can come to you because it can be really hard for us to go, oh I'm really good at this would you like to come along and maybe give me pay pay pay me to be away like that's really that's really difficult. So that's why I like to say let's promote your work. Thank you. Oh no you're very welcome so um let's start with your podcast so people can start um because I'm all for women supporting women and raising each other up so let's start with your podcast so people can tune into your podcast.

SPEAKER_01 46:00

So have have two one's an older one called Integritas that's about soul and spirit led leadership. Yeah um that's finished now but there's 16 episodes that you can go and listen to if you're interested in great embodied leadership, creativity, all that kind of thing. Then I have one called Conversations on Soul and that's um a chat with artists and creatives and just generally people that inspire me with how they move in the world and that's about um bringing a really grounded human perspective to what soul might mean for people that's not like you don't have to go down some spiritual lineage and get all esoteric about it. It's more like how you actually feel your soul.

SPEAKER_02 46:41

Yeah your human experience I love that and can where can your podcast be found?

SPEAKER_01 46:46

So they're both on Spotify. Great I will move them at some point but for now they're on Spotify. And then my main website is oliviagrace.life and that's where I have all my details of my mentorship um and a retreat that I'm holding in Devon in May which is called Softcore that's about um well big stuff but body heart and soul really that's about connecting with body heart and soul it's a really gorgeous nourishing experience in Devon for men and women yeah um we're about half full and really looking forward to having more people join us. Whereabouts in Devon is that going to be um it's in Ulfrakroom oh no retreat centre called Selga's Mill.

SPEAKER_02 47:32

Yeah um so South so it's South Devon.

SPEAKER_01 47:35

Yeah okay well because I have the witch weekly events bring me the give me the details to that and I'll start advertising that for which weekly events amazing yeah so that's held with two friends and that's great. That's our second time holding it it's really really gorgeous. It's very embodied very soft and slow and spacious and it's for people who want to do some kind of self-inquiry inner work but don't want anything that's traditional therapy or too intense it's like very much about um spirituality for someone who also wants to walk out into their normal life feeling really nourished. Yeah um I have a substat called Witch Child which I do kind of confessional writing on um have a telegram group that you can join to be part of like discounts and things like that that I offer for my events. So I hold a monthly connection circle in St Agnes and Cornwall and a monthly temple that we've been talking about in Forth Town. And I want to develop that telegram group as a place where the community around my offerings can be part of and I really feel passionate about kind of supporting that to flourish because I want that community to be bigger than me. Yeah I want the temple to become something that you know 50 people come to and it's like a community hub and I get other facilitators in and do all sorts of different things and and have people like really hold a beautiful facilitated space and so if you want connection you want to meet new people you want to meet like minded people instead of thinking oh god I've got to download hinge or Tinder or something you can come and like meet friends. I've met my closest friends in Cornwall so far from people coming to my events and I just felt them and it's not about dating you know if you want to date people great but it's not necessarily about that it's more like I see a real longing for people to meet people outside of their friends and family groups and be able to meet them at the person that they are now to come all the way back to the beginning of what we were talking about you know friendships and coming full circle. Yeah um sometimes we want to be reflected by our new friends as the people we are now and I really see that in these spaces.

SPEAKER_02 49:51

So do you have it is your contact details on your website form.

SPEAKER_01 49:56

Oh you can find me on Instagram is um at Olivia Grace Jensen J-E-N-S-E-N underscore.

SPEAKER_02 50:02

Great. And if there are any corporate companies or organisations who feel like they'd really like to delve into the soul leadership um how would how would be the best way for them to contact you for like a some sort of package like you would work with for?

SPEAKER_01 50:18

Through my website thealymagrace.life I have a group facilitation page on there. Fantastic so I offer um to go into organizations or companies and help groups connect with the essence of the organisation and do a lot of that stuff we were talking about about feeling resourced being part of the mission.

SPEAKER_03 50:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:37

Yeah and I have um I have a free call at least half an hour with every single person I work with so if you're curious there's like a no commitment needed call that we can have so that we can feel each other. Because the work that I do is intimate and it's important you know that people get a feel for me and understand what I'm about and often people find me really intuitively and they're kind of like I don't really know why. Yeah coming to you but I'm hearing that call helps us talk about some of these things.

SPEAKER_02 51:09

Amazing Olivia it's been such a refreshing intimate share into a conversation I've really really enjoyed thank you for having you as a guest on my show today.

SPEAKER_01 51:20

Thank you so much honestly it's been an absolute pleasure and so happy to have you in my little home and thanks thank you for inviting me. Thank you for having me yeah it's a real privilege.

SPEAKER_02 51:28

You're welcome and I hope to have you back on the podcast soon.

SPEAKER_01 51:31

Anytime I can gas away for two hours anytime love it yeah I will have you back very soon.

SPEAKER_02 51:36

Thank you so much. I hope you all enjoyed listening to this two part episode with Olivia. I was so grateful to her to open up her home and let me in to record this very special conversation. I really believe that the work she is doing is very important. And if you're interested in what Olivia is doing and you'd like to go and show her some support I have linked all of her information including her websites in the show notes. Let's move on to our witch weekly events where I let you know what witchy or spiritual events are happening in and around South Devon and Cornwall. Starting with local covens that are seeking new members so if you're a solitary witch looking to join a coven this might be for you Roz and Booker, one of Cornwall's longest established covens hold meetings in North Cornwall and the Devon-Cornwall border. Applicants are welcome to introduce themselves via email and come visit their website for more information. The Cunning Grove is a witch and occult shop based in Plymouth. They currently hold the Coven of the Sacred Grove. They are a diverse group of witches from different paths that come together to learn and support each other. Within their coven they break the year down into four seasons. The physical coven meets on a Tuesday and Thursday nights fortnightly they also have an online coven with spaces available where everyone is in a group together and each week they drop different techniques and teachings from PDFs, slides and videos. Joining the covens comes with a range of benefits you can get money off the shop and services and you can also make use of the Coven Library which is for local members only to join the physical coven it's£30 per person and if you want to join the online coven that's£15 if you would like to get in touch you can message them through their Instagram page or Facebook page and I've also added their email address in the show notes. Saren from Serendipity Healing holds three women's circles these are Tuesday in Abbot Skurswell Wednesday in Torquay and Thursday in Totnes and they are all from 7pm until 9pm participants can choose the date and venue that suits them and she covers the same information in each one they happen every three weeks so you can celebrate the Sabbath and connect to nature cycles and then you will have a session between each Sabbath to look inward. She teaches a variety of modalities these include somatic movement, guided meditations, tarot and oracle cards, witch runes, exploring crystals, herbs, journaling, creative expression through arts and crafts, reiki, sechhem energy, drumming and sound, goddess work with the archetypes, meaningful ritual and ceremonies and lots more local witchy and spiritual events. Continuing with the Cunning Grove, on Wednesdays they hold a witch and stitch which is a free weekly crochet knitting and witchcraft session. And on Saturday mornings they hold a free witch and brew session which is a social with tea, talk and it has a teaching focus. And you can find out more information via their website which is linked in the show notes. Looking forward to this week and weekend tonight the 2nd of April from 7pm until 930pm in Lisgard join Meghan Field for her sacred Curno Circle. The theme for this is looking at the exploration of the cycles of life so you'll look at the external cycles such as the lunar and seasonal cycles and the internal cycles such as the life cycle and menstrual cycle you will look at how they influence us how they mirror each other and how life looks like when we live in alignment with our cycles on Friday the 3rd of April Emma Jane at Dragon Goddess Healings will be at the Budd Farmers and Crafts Market. She will be doing her readings there from 10am until 4pm also on Friday the 3rd of April 12pm until 6pm there's going to be an Easter craft fair being hosted by the Rainbow Circus Community Interest Company and will be at Delaware Industrial Estate. There will be various craft stalls, artistic practices and fun for everyone. Jen the Alchemy Witch will be there and she will be offering a three card tarot readings with a free Easter egg crystal included. On Saturday the 4th and Sunday 5th of April Wendy Raven Owl from the Ravenswell Wildlife Sanctuary will be at the Cows and Sows Marie Curie Fundraiser in Truro she'll be there with her beautiful Barn Owl Moonshine. This is a great chance to see Wendy ask anything about the charity itself meet Moonshine and ask about any upcoming events such as flying days or experience days on Tuesday the 7th of April in Tinmouth at Biton House Darcy Sophia is holding a sound therapy alchemy session this is from 7pm until 8pm and the tickets are£12 and on Wednesday the 8th of April at St Agatha's Hall in Dawlish Darcy Sophia is holding a yoga sound therapy session this is from 6.30pm until 8pm and tickets are£22 if you're interested in any of the events that I have mentioned I have linked them all in the show notes for you to go and look at if you have an upcoming witchy or spiritual event and you would like me to do a shout out for your event on the show then please contact me. 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