The Incest Factor | A Deep Exploration of “Dicks: the Musical”

Dicks: The Musical has a twin incest sex scene scored like an opera. Two intimacy coordinators break down the unhinged A24 musical.

Full description:

Megan Thee Stallion. Nathan Lane. Puppet penises. A gay sex scene between twins that somehow becomes a camp masterpiece.

Dicks: The Musical is absurd, offensive, and genuinely hilarious. We go behind the scenes that are not safe for work, unless your work is really cool.

In this episode:

• Why unrealistic sex can be funnier than realistic sex
• Walking 69s and spit takes
• LGBTQ+ representation on screen
• Puppet intimacy in theater

This episode is for you if:

• You love A24's weirdest movies
• You want to hear intimacy coordinators lose their minds
• You need queer comedy that isn't serious for once

Watch along timestamps:

• Opening scene: 0:50
• Sleepover scene: 1:10:00

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Credits

Dicks: The Musical (2023) | Director: Larry Charles | A24

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#DicksTheMusical #A24 #IntimacyCoordinator #QueerComedy #FilmBreakdown

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

When you say puppet penis, I'm imagining someone's hand inside a penis making it talk.

SPEAKER_00 0:07

Some kind of stuffed animal penis. A plush penis. A stuffy penis. Hi, I'm Ariel Lee Cohen. Hey, I'm Morgan Smith. And we are the hosts of Faking It with Ariel and Morgan.

SPEAKER_01 0:18

We're two intimacy coordinators here to talk about the spicy scenes you see in film and TV.

SPEAKER_00 0:24

I feel like because this is such a new career, we're working with people who have been in the business for a long time, have never worked with an intimacy coordinator before, they don't know what to expect from us. And sometimes they see us kind of just like hanging out and chilling and like holding space.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

There's a lot of pressure on intimacy coordinators because we came out of the Me Too movement to save the industry. And there's also a lot of pressure because we're an emerging field to like prove we need to be there. And because a lot of our work is done in prep, sometimes when we arrive on set, the prep work we've done has properly prepared everybody. And there's not much we need to do on the day aside from whole space and handout mints. Sometimes we're the Listerine Fairy. Yeah. We are the Listerine Fairy. Please sponsor us Listerine. So we met because I was acting in a short that you were intimacy coordinating. And it was the first time that I had acted since becoming an intimacy coordinator. And I'd done intimacy scenes before, and that scene was not incredibly complicated. So on the day, practically speaking, you weren't actively doing a lot. But it made such a big difference for me as the actor in the scene. Because before I had an intimacy coordinator, when I was doing intimacy scenes, I was having to think about okay, what's the choreography? Oh, I have this injury. I hope this other person is aware of that injury and remembers, or oh, I actually have this boundary, or there's something I'm uncomfortable with. And so I couldn't fully do my job 100% as an actor because there was always a small part of my brain that was worrying about all that other stuff. Just having an intimacy coordinator there, just knowing there's someone who's there just to look out for me, actually let me totally relax and fully do my job in a way that I hadn't been able to do in intimacy before. Even when I was on great sets and had great relationships with the director, or it was a project that I had also written and produced and had a good amount of power. There was still a part of me that was doing some of that other work in there. I think it's also part of hustle culture. We feel like we need to actively do something all the time and really show that we're working in order to feel valid and prove something.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Sort of puritanical, like must contribute, must do. It can actually cause problems because then you can be too overactive, you can over-correct, yeah, and you can like get in the way of things. And you never want that to happen. You want to facilitate the flow so it's even more efficient. So I created what I've now called Ariel's sanity list. Oh. And this is a reminder to myself of the absolute baseline of what a good job looks like for an intimacy coordinator. Number one, is everyone safe to your knowledge? You're doing an amazing job. Does it look like boundaries are being maintained and adhered to? Great, you're doing a great job. Does the choreography look like the director's vision to the best of your knowledge? If yes, whether or not you had something to do with it or otherwise, great, you're doing a great job. You're supporting the director, and the actors are safe, and everyone is okay with what's going on. The bonus is are people happy? It is a bonus if people are happy, if people are having a great time. There's so much more we can do, there's so much more we can facilitate and assist with. We can do choreography, but these are like the baseline, not just doing your job, doing a good job.

SPEAKER_01 4:02

There are times the stunt coordinator comes on set and it's first scene where someone just like trips and falls or picks somebody up, and it's something that's really minor. And if the actors have experience with stunts, they might feel pretty good about doing it without much input from the stunt coordinator themselves. And in that case, the stunt coordinator is really just there, just in case, because part of their job is safety, just as it is with us. And the thing with having a job where part of it is safety is you don't always know that you need us until after we've filmed the scene. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 4:35

And today we are covering scenes from Dicks the Musical.

SPEAKER_01 4:43

I'm so excited. You don't even understand. I'm really excited for this one.

SPEAKER_00 4:48

Morgan, what is your experience of Dix the Musical? Nothing.

SPEAKER_01 4:52

Nothing. Great. I have none. I don't think I've even seen a proper trailer. Because it was something that was on my list to see. And usually, if I want to watch a thing, I don't watch any trailers because I want to have it all be a surprise. So I'm really excited for today.

SPEAKER_00 5:09

And surprising, it's going to be yay! I have to start by saying it's hysterical. I laughed the entire time. I saw this a few years ago when it came out. Like, even the second time, it's possibly even funnier. Musical theater titans, Nathan Lean and Megan Malale in this show. They're not gonna be in any of the scenes we watched today. Damn it. They're amazing. I'm sorry. But my god, just watch the movie for them alone. They're absolute unfucking hinged in this movie. It came out in 2023, very recently. It's based off of an off-Broadway musical, Fucking Identical Twins, by Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson, who also helped adapt the film. They also wrote the film, and they star in the film. It is directed by Larry Charles. They had two intimacy coordinators. They had Corinne Evans and Devin McNair. All right. We love, very exciting, very fun, and honestly, for good reason. Okay. Yeah. So we're gonna look at two scenes today. The first scene is 50 seconds into the movie. So there is really no context. We're just gonna bop right on it. Okay. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 6:23

Looks like we're in Times Square, 70s or 80s. Oh, and there's a woman having sex, jumping up and down, and now we're in a bedroom. And there's a guy below her making really exaggerated faces. And now there's another woman jumping up and down, like sex-wise on top of another guy who's making crazy faces. Their faces are crazy. Okay, and now we have Bo and Yang, who is God. Okay, now oh, it looked like he was stimulating himself, but he was just picking up a weight. Great. And that's the that's that scene. Oh my god, it happens so fast. So much happening so fast. I'm like, okay, I said jumping up and down. I meant thrusting on top of their partner. It was going by so fast I couldn't keep up. It's so silly.

SPEAKER_00 7:16

I love it. And I love that they match it almost exactly. Like we're going over her nude back, and she has the sheets right up on her hips. And as we go over her head, then we see the quote identical twins, which they make a lot of jokes about, that they're identical, even though clearly they look nothing alike. Yeah. And these are, of course, quote, straight men having straight sex and expensive. Totally.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

And making faces that are super normal to make when having sex with a partner you're really enjoying.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Absolutely, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Bug eyes, wide mouths, just flopping around, changing their face constantly. It's so goofy.

SPEAKER_00 7:59

This moment of him in the boxers holding the weight.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

Oh, it's so good because you see him shaking, and you see that his like arm is out of frame, and it really does look like he's stimulating himself in an exaggerated way, and then he's lifting up what is maybe a five-pound weight.

SPEAKER_00 8:17

And literally the caption is viral strong, and there's a bunch of metals in the back and like alarms and stuff. So that's just to start us off on this experience. So, what we really want to focus on, though, is this second scene. Craig and Trevor, who are two straight, womenizing, misogynistic business salesmen who are unbeknownst to them, identical twins separated at birth by their parents. A la the parent trap. Amazing. When their companies undergo a merger, they finally meet, then they learn there are brothers, and they attempt to parent trap their parents to get back together. The whole family moves in together into an apartment where Craig and Trevor share a room and a bed and discover their intense sexual attraction to one another. Wait, the twins? Yep. Have an attraction to one another. Okay. Have an attraction to one another.

unknown 9:18

Got it.

SPEAKER_00 9:19

So that's what we're getting into. Got it. So this is uh an hour and ten minutes into the movie. Oh wow. So just do what you can.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

Okay, I'll do my very best.

unknown 9:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:32

All right. So they are both holding boxes of porn. Now they're in bed together. They're wriggling around a lot, I guess. They're having weird dreams. And then they wake up facing each other. And now they're holding each other really close, consoling each other. They're doing like the straight guy pat. And now they let go of each other. He's rolled over facing the ceiling. And now he moved his face back towards him. He has moved his head again. And he's trying to look away. And then he moved his head back. Silly. It's very stupid.

SPEAKER_02 10:11

I love you, Craig.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Oh my god. Looking deeply into each other's eyes. It looks like they're having a sleepover. Now they're going in for a kiss. And now they're pulling apart. And he spit in his face. And now he's spitting into his mouth as he held it open. And now they're making out big open mouths and tongues all over the place. A lot of tongue all over their faces. Oh, and now they're in that position. And now they're having sex. And now there's a punch. And now they're an eagle. Now they're rolling over on the bed. Now they're having sex against boxes and a wall, and they're breaking through the wall, and they're moving so much, and they're stuffing a tie into their mouth and having sex and up against a wall in a split screen. And then they lie back on the bed next to each other, exhausted.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

I do want to offer before I get out of the screen. Do you need to watch it again? Yeah. Fair. I was having a gay nightmare that I was gay. And I was gay in it.

unknown 11:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 11:20

Me too.

unknown 11:20

I was having a gay nightmare and I was gay.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Music Q, I love you. His face lights up. They're realizing something. They go in for a kiss. It's very cute. They pull away. And then the spit. Ah! Okay, then he opens his mouth and spits into his mouth, but also blows his hair. And now open mouth, big kisses all over the face, tongue licking everywhere. Now they're in the spread eagle walking across the apartment. And now they're up against a wall. And now there's a slap with his hand. And now they're doing spread eagle again across the apartment. They're rolling over his back. They're spanking up against boxes. Now they're being against the wall and breaking the wall and moving really exact. And the tie is going into his mouth on a split screen. That's now three. And they're having sex in the middle and doing other stuff on the side. What did you think? I think I got it all. It's the silliest thing. I love how exaggerated everything is. I love the range of positions we get. This is the least uncomfortable I've been watching an incest scene. So props to them. I don't know why that is because I'm very aware that they're supposed to be twins. But I think I was so distracted by the silliness.

SPEAKER_00 12:36

It's fascinating that this is an incest scene. It's so subversive. They're trying to make such a shocking, crazy scene that it's so over the top that it kind of comes back around and works. I don't know what modesty garments they're wearing. If we see it, it's so fast them moving around. I just I can't I don't know what's happening. They're 60 dining while standing, and then they're having kind of turned up anal sex against a wall, and then against the bed, and they flip over the bed, and then they're like doing cartwheels almost. But for me, my favorite moment is the part where they just spit at each other.

unknown 13:14

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Because that's something that happens in like porn. The first time these two Starcross lovers get together and they start with the sweet kiss, and then the spit is just like a perfect slap in the face of that vibe. I love a messy big tongue makeout. Kind of reminds me of Wet Hot American Summer with Paul Rudd and Elizabeth Banks. The way that they make out and their mouths are the most open. Tongues are all the way out all over their faces.

SPEAKER_00 13:40

It also reminds me of they came together, also, Paul Rudd. Yes, oh, bouncing all over the Kobe Smolder.

SPEAKER_01 13:49

That scene was nuts.

SPEAKER_00 13:51

This scene is cool because I mean, mine is the incest elements, which we'll get to. There's not a lot of simulated sex scenes that are between two queer people that are dumb. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, true. That's so true. They're either a male gaze way where they're trying to look sexy and sexual, or they're done in a way where they are supposed to be romantic and beautiful. And we've done so many of those scenes, and like kudos, they're all beautifully done for the most part. Some of them are queer sex can be just as silly and insane. They can make a joke out of it and still kind of celebrate it in a similar way. Like, if it I mean, celebration is a strong word when you're talking about incest. It would be a very different experience if they used actual twins. Totally. In this situation, I think it would be. Right. Right.

SPEAKER_01 14:41

It wouldn't feel campy if they had like actual twins or used the same actor twice somehow, which would be so complicated for that scene. This is like such a stretch and not totally related to what we're talking about, but it is a very real thing in the queer community. There are some queer folks whose type is someone who looks exactly like them. And I feel it kind of reminded me of that where it's like you're just so obsessed with someone else, and it's really because they look like you.

SPEAKER_00 15:06

Yeah, there was that episode of Broad City where Alana likes Aliyah Shawcat.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

Yeah. Yeah. And is so into her and doesn't realize it's because they look the same.

SPEAKER_00 15:17

As a reminder, this was based off the off-Broadway musical called Fucking Identical Twins The Musical. Right. You know what's coming up. You might know what's going on. I looked high and low for any information about the making of this scene, about the intimacy coordinators, and and their experience with it, about the actors. But this is yet another one of those things where the actors are also the writers and adapt the thing that they created for themselves. Right. So I'm actually like really happy they used an intimacy coordinator in this situation. I mean, I'm always happy when intimacy coordinators are used. You know that.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

We love it.

SPEAKER_00 16:01

We love to see it. But I think that's when you need one. Because when you already have a specific relationship with the person that you're interacting with in a maybe sexual way, and they're your business partner. Sure. I think it's really important to keep that compartmentalized. Also, just to help that choreography, particularly that first scene moment where we have them having sex with women and they just look like they're so unhinged and not enjoying it at all. But at the same time, they make the same expressions when they're having sex with each other.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

So one thing that the IC probably really helped with was adapting whatever choreography they did on stage for the screen and figuring out what's gonna read, especially read as like really funny, and what are things we can do on screen that we can't do on stage, and vice versa. I really hope that they did the walking 69 move in the musical as well. It's just so silly.

SPEAKER_00 17:01

Hey Morgan, if you were to work on a stage production of this show, handle that moment of a 69 implied nudity across the stage while moving.

SPEAKER_01 17:12

So there would definitely be modesty garments involved with barriers. Obviously, we have to make sure that the actors don't have any injuries or bad back or knees like me currently. I don't think I could do that move with another human. I could see them just like walking across the stage for the set like that. And that reading. It would be really funny if they had doubles on stage because we don't see either of their faces in this move. So we could have them like walk across the set and then immediately have them pop up somewhere else doing something else. And that could be a really fun way to populate the stage. Having sort of that split screen vibe, but on stage, and then just having them in a bunch of different crazy positions doing things, and then maybe there's like one central one where we actually have them where we can see them.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

What about you? I think our main question after injuries and and modesty garments and things is is this a proscenium stage? If so, how do we make this so we're not seeing modesty garment the most as possible? Wait, so hold up.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Can you explain for those who don't know what a proscenium is?

unknown 18:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 18:21

So when you think of theater, you're usually thinking of a proscenium stage, which basically means that the stage is a rectangle that's separated from the audience and the audience sits in front of it. If you were to have, let's say, a three-quarter thrust or a thrust stage, that means that the stage would pop out into the audience and the audience could semi-sit around it. And a theater in the round is if the stage is in the center of the room or on a raised platform and the audience sits fully around it 360 degrees. So a lot of that would matter because if we're angling the actors to make sure those modesty garments aren't being shown, then if they're in, let's say, a theater in the round, I don't know that it's possible. I don't know that we're doing that. Very hard. They would basically need to put their entire face into the genitalia with a barrier.

SPEAKER_01 19:11

Yeah, I mean, they would have to be fully in the other person's pelvis. I think hair would be extremely helpful in this situation because that's really what would cover the modesty garment. We could trim that modesty garment down, especially the front part, as much as possible. Maybe even see if the actors are open to tucking, just so we have like as little smooth a surface as possible. Exactly. It's much easier to hide a Kendall than it is an anatomically correct person. It is possible in a theater. That's definitely the hardest situation. Percenium, it's obviously a lot easier. The use of lighting could be really helpful in this as well. I think also just the fact that it's going by so fast can give you some grace because even if you briefly see it, the audience might not even register it depending on how close they are to the stage, right? Because that's the other thing to consider is how intimate is this theater.

SPEAKER_00 20:06

Then that really matters because the people on the top of the second balcony are, you know, are they not going to be able to see much at all, but the people in the front row really might. I think if I were directing this, which is a different conversation, but you could have them wearing puppet penises. Maybe they're wearing the modesty garment under a dance belt with some kind of puppet penis, which I think.

SPEAKER_01 20:26

I'm sorry, I'm sorry. When you say puppet penis, I'm imagining someone's hand inside a penis making it talk.

SPEAKER_00 20:35

That's that's very fair. All right, then may I just say some kind of like stuffed animal penis? Maybe that's a better way to describe it. A plush penis. A plushy penis, a stuffy penis. And that way you could flop all over the place and they could like rub their faces against it. It would be really, really funny. And then you could hide everything pretty easily and up potentially the comedy factor.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

They have to be oversized, they need to have like a spring in them or something, so they definitely move. Yeah, because we want that exaggerated movement to read.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

Oh my god, it's a wacky and wild inflatable arm-flailing penis.

SPEAKER_01 21:14

Like the things outside a car dealership. Yeah, who are just blowing all over.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

Yes, exactly. And that's gorgeous.

SPEAKER_01 21:23

Confetti comes out.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

Yay! Honestly, uh behind a scrim, hilarious. This would be insane.

SPEAKER_01 21:32

Yes. Yeah. See, now I want to do this scene. I want to do this musical. We really need more movies and TV shows that are just stupid. That is one thing I really miss from the 90s and early 2000s was we had the dumbest, goofiest, stupid comedies. We got this a little bit with like the naked gun. I feel like Obviously, with Dix the musical, I feel like there is a desire for that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:05

It's so escapist, too. I loved the new Naked Gun movie with Pamela Anderson and it was. Oh my god, remember the part when he was like, My TiVo, you taped over my T-Vo. Did you see this movie? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's a part where he's like, I wanted you to watch Buffy so you would get my references. And now there will be no Santa Buffy. Anyway, I digress so so hard. But the point is, Dick's the musical, it really revitalized and healed something in me.

SPEAKER_01 22:38

This might be the perfect thing for me to watch when I wrap this vertical shoot that I'm on right now. I've worked on some verticals where people involved are embracing like the camp of it, but I'm still, this is camp light. I want the full camp experience. I want us all to know that this is stupid, you know?

SPEAKER_00 22:59

They could do with a little campiness, I think.

SPEAKER_01 23:02

Right? They're begging for it. Anyway, yeah, anyway. But back to Dicks the musical. Back to Dicks. Oh, welcome to the Spice Scale, our not-so-scientific way of rating intimacy scenes based on consent and power dynamics, technical craft and coordination excellence, and heat factor. Each category gets a score from one to five, with five being the highest. Then we add it all up to give the scene a final letter. Great. First, we're going to start with consent and power dynamics, how the scene depicts consent and power in the story, and if known, behind the scenes.

SPEAKER_00 23:41

So as I stated earlier, I know nothing behind the scenes. Which, to me, frankly, is kind of wild given the content and a post-Me Too era, and having used intimacy coordinators, and even just the people who made it not saying anything about it. Maybe there's just not enough coverage of it, period. There should be more coverage. It's why I'm doing it today. More people should watch this movie. Thank you for listening. As far as what is there, it's impossible to say for the first scene. I don't know how those women feel, but they look enthusiastic.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

Yeah. I think we could safely assume that both scenes are fully consensual by all parties involved. Well, the first one not as enthusiastic. It's faked enthusiasm, but yes.

SPEAKER_00 24:33

The movement of the women is so bouncy. Yes. I think it seems like they are very interested in what's going on. Oh, yes, and they are seeing it. I think that's the thing.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

The guys are feigning enthusiasm. Let me clarify. Yes. I would give them both a five because it's very clear to me what the power dynamics and consent are in both scenes, especially in the second one. We we just have a lot more to go on in the second one. And obviously it's meant to be equal because they're twins, but also they keep mirroring each other's movements and they keep doing these scenes where they're on equal planes, or we don't have like a top-bottom situation where they're clearly defining, you know, one person in one position versus the other. And I think that also adds to the silliness.

SPEAKER_00 25:16

Even in their business experience lives, they're supposed to be like neck and neck as far as how good of a salesman each of them is. Definitely equal power dynamics across the board. I'm cool with a five.

SPEAKER_01 25:27

Cool, cool, cool.

SPEAKER_00 25:28

But I want to talk about technical crafting coordination excellence.

SPEAKER_01 25:33

So here's the thing. I feel like I know what you're gonna say. There's a lot of movement that's not in sync, especially with the pelvises. People are just bouncing around and it doesn't seem like there's actually connection happening between the bodies. I wasn't bothered by it because it's so stupid. And I usually like think it's so annoying when people are like, it's a comedy, it doesn't have to make sense. The first scene, it was so disconnected that it was like either their penises are three feet long or this is not happening here, you know? Outside of the actual like penetration being off, I thought the rest of the technical craft and coordination was really well done. I thought they nailed the physical comedy of both scenes, and that's hard to do.

SPEAKER_00 26:21

I do think though that the movement was all over the place. And that of course I do feel that way, that it wasn't authentic or anything, fine. But I also want to say I think it was incredibly effective. Yes. Because for all the reasons that you stated, but also they are supposed to be twins and we are dealing with incest. And if the movements were really effective and authentic, I think it would give an ick more than a laugh. I think that if we were to see them literally like penetrating one another in a very real and significant way, you might feel that incestual thing a little bit more intensely. I think it actually did a really good job of walking that line. And I think because it's so throwing each other all over the place and and bodies are everywhere, and we're they were breaking the build.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

Like they they were fucking the house down, that is true.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

Yeah. I'll buffy the vampires. Yeah, the storytelling made a lot of sense to me. The overall execution told the exact story it wanted to tell. So I'm fine with a five. Great. But when it comes to heat factor, I I don't know that I can give it a five. It is incest, also.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

Like I well, okay, but here's the thing we talked about with heat factor was it's not how hot we personally find it. I think they didn't want it very hot.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

Yeah, yeah. I think they wanted it to be dumb and crazy. Yeah. I'm torn. I'm torn on heat factor, is what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

Yeah, I mean, for me, it seems pretty clear that they didn't intend for this scene to be hot at all, and that it was just supposed to be really stupid. I think without the full nudity, it'd be really hard to achieve a lot of the ridiculous positions that they're getting into. And I also think that's part of the humor, is them being fully naked. Because I think if we started dealing with clothes and stuff, I it you just it would start getting distracting and it's unnecessary and limiting. So they were going for a one in terms of erotic charge, and I think they executed that to the level of a five. If that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00 28:30

Then we're at an A. Woo.

SPEAKER_01 28:39

We love an ancestral A. Oh my god. Oh, that feels weird. But that's the point.

SPEAKER_00 28:47

I know it's the point. I know. It's just the on-paper fact of it. I'm like, oh sure, sure, sure. But of course, our new segment when we get an A is you have to ruin it. So, Morgan, how would you ruin these scenes?

SPEAKER_01 29:04

One would be trying to make this sexy. I agree with you that really emphasizing the penetration would have killed it. I'm kind of thinking of, did you ever say I Love You, Philip Morris? Yeah. That first scene where we see him having sex with a guy from behind and he's sweaty and clearly penetrating this dude, and it it's about the shock of him fucking a dude. I think if they had tried to do something like that with this, it wouldn't work because of the incest factor. Even though that other movie is also one that is a little over the top, I don't think that would have worked here. We would have been too conscious of the incestral factor. I know. Removing the walking 69 would totally ruin it. I love so funny. It's hilarious. It's so funny. Them rolling over the bed in such a ridiculous way. Like, if we really focused on trying to like ground this in realism, it would destroy it.

SPEAKER_00 29:58

No split screen if we're gonna ruin it. We're in it. We're there and we're just watching it happen like beginning to end. Oh my god, it's a continuous shot. It's a wonder. It's a wonder, so we're watching the whole shot beginning to end, no cuts, just straight through. Make it 10 minutes long.

SPEAKER_01 30:17

Or we force these actors to become like traditionally masculine and muscular. If we gave them marvel bodies, I think that would take away from the comedy too. Part of the comedy is they're both more slight and have these like flailing, kind of awkward bodies.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

And also choosing actors who looked like each other would have ruined it. Yeah. First scene, seeing more of the women, having them be sexy and like touching themselves or like moaning, or the point of that first scene is not to see the pleasure of women, it's to see the lack of pleasure for the men. And so if we're focused on the woman, it would totally destroy that. It's one of the few uses of women as props that I'm really for. Yeah. And usually I say the complete opposite, but I do think in this specific situation, it would ruin it.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

And they feel almost interchangeable. It might even be the same actress with a wig on. I'm not sure. It might be. If it's not the same actress, they have a really similar body, they're doing a really similar movement. They're trying to make them as like neutral as possible. So we're really not focused on them at all.

SPEAKER_00 31:29

In that second scene with all of the sex in the world, opera is playing. And I think it gives the scene a grandeur that makes it hysterical. Yes. I think if they used sexy music or like a berry white vibe, it would ground it too much, I think. That's so loud and so tremendous. This movie is so shocking. It's so out of control. It makes queer sex look just as silly and messy as straight sex. And that kind of normalization, I think, is really radical, actually.

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Any chance we get to have the full range of stories from queer people, I would say another way to ruin it too is to put more of a straight lens on it because this clearly was not designed with the straights in mind. This is for other queer folks. We're not worried about how straight people are going to feel about this. We're not trying to make this palatable at all. I think that also is what makes it work. Because I'm trying to think like if straight people made this, it would be changed in ways where it feels like it's punching down. Yes. And they're, for lack of a better term, the butt of the joke, as opposed to being in on the joke. Yes.

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Also, it's a musical. Everything's ridiculous in a musical. And so the sex should be ridiculous in a musical. Like you ever see Avenue Q? That musical is like puppets having sex. It's nuts. It's hilarious. Kudos. Good job on your A, buddy.

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Mm-hmm.

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