037: A Post-COVID Comeback Story

In this episode of the Through Entrepreneurship podcast, we explore the "access gap," revealing that a lack of systemic access is the true barrier preventing underrepresented founders from launching and scaling their ideas. By addressing these structural inequalities, we can unlock equitable economic growth and turn raw entrepreneurial intent into thriving businesses. 

Key Concepts & Discussion Points

• The mythological formula of "idea plus grit equals success" ignores the fundamental reality that access to capital, networks, and tacit knowledge dictates who gets to play the game. 
• Black and Hispanic individuals exhibit higher entrepreneurial intentions and confidence than their white counterparts, yet are less likely to launch due to a lack of embedded social network access. 
• The structural wealth divide directly impacts startup financing, as traditional banks require historical assets and personal collateral that many minority founders do not possess. 
• Digital platforms have shifted barriers from early "launch access" to expensive "distribution access," creating opaque tech gatekeepers that charge high tolls for customer reach. 

Actionable Recommendations

For Policymakers & Government Leaders:

• Focus on expanding equal access by addressing upstream conditions like systemic wealth inequality and regional infrastructure, rather than just offering expanded opportunity programs that invite people to play a rigged game. 
• Expand initiatives like the EDA Tech Hubs and the National Science Foundation's regional innovation engines to deliberately construct institutional support and spillover effects outside of major coastal cities. 
• Consider regulating major digital search algorithms and ad marketplaces with transparency requirements similar to public utilities to ensure fair entrepreneurial competition. 

For Entrepreneurs & Innovators:

• Recognize that bootstrapping is a luxury that requires its own "access stack," such as existing revenue streams or personal wealth, and plan your financial runway accordingly. 
• Actively seek to build tacit knowledge by finding experienced industry operators who can provide contextual advice, rather than relying solely on explicit online tutorials or family members. 
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• Understand that aggressive networking and deliberate follow-up are necessary behaviors to bridge the confidence gap and convert brief exposure into durable investor relationships. 

For the Ecosystem (Investors, Educators, Community Leaders):

• Acknowledge that traditional underwriting and venture capital models rely heavily on pattern recognition and familiar social signals that inherently exclude diverse founders. 
• Support community-based lenders through programs like the Small Business Administration's Community Advantage to provide capital based on local market understanding rather than strict legacy collateral. 
• Work to democratize tacit knowledge by intentionally bringing underrepresented founders into elite networks and providing the specific, operator-level mentorship required to achieve true scale. 

The Big Takeaway 

Markets become profoundly unfair when they make decisions based on an access gap that mechanically disqualifies world-changing ideas before the founder's execution even begins. By actively dismantling these structural barriers, Through Entrepreneurship champions a future where every founder receives a fair runway to test their ideas and drive impactful economic change. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:23

So if you go out and ask a hundred people who has more, you know, hustle.

SPEAKER_00 0:28

Right.

SPEAKER_01 0:28

Like, is it uh kids starting a software company in a Stanford dorm room, or is it a single parent trying to organize a, I don't know, a logistics business out of their apartment?

SPEAKER_00 0:40

Well, you're gonna get a hundred completely different answers to that.

SPEAKER_01 0:42

Exactly. I mean, you'll get answers based entirely on people's own personal biases. But um, if you look at the actual economic data on who has the most drive or the most statistical intent to start a business.

SPEAKER_00 0:54

The numbers are shocking.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

They completely shatter the whole mythology we've been fed for decades.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

They really do.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

So welcome to this deep dive. If you're listening to this right now, you are part of our inner circle. You are the stakeholders, you know, the partners, and the community that actually drives the nonprofit we work for through entrepreneurship.

SPEAKER_00 1:13

Yeah, we're basically your research team.

SPEAKER_01 1:15

Right. And the whole purpose of this audio overview today is to bring you directly into the uh the engine room, I guess you could say, of our latest comprehensive report.

SPEAKER_00 1:24

Which is titled The Access Gap, Why Reach Outweighs Execution and Entrepreneurship.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Yeah, and we really want to share these extensive research findings with you so you can deeply understand the true power of entrepreneurship. And, you know, crucially, what is actually holding it back in the real world.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Because for a really long time, the popular mythology of entrepreneurship has been built on this very comforting, very simple formula.

SPEAKER_01 1:50

Aaron Ross Powell Oh, the equation we've all been taught since we were kids.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

Aaron Powell Exactly. The idea that idea plus grit plus execution equals success.

SPEAKER_01 1:58

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:59

And you know, under that formula, if you fail, it just means your idea wasn't good enough.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

Aaron Ross Powell Or you just didn't work hard enough.

SPEAKER_00 2:05

Yeah, or your execution was just sloppy. But what our research at The Entrepreneurship reveals is this massive structural blind spot that sits um way far upstream from all of that. Upstream is the perfect word for it. Aaron Ross Powell Before the execution even begins, before your grid is even tested at all, there is a hard gate. And that gate is access.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

Aaron Powell I really want to visualize this for everyone because it's so central to literally everything we're gonna discuss today.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

Yeah, let's unpack it.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

So think about like one of those high-stakes televised baking championships.

SPEAKER_00 2:39

Well, I watch this all the time.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Right. They're great. Yeah and usually there's this expectation of a perfectly level playing field. Both bakers get the same ovens, they have the same premium ingredients.

SPEAKER_00 2:49

The same ticking clock.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

Exactly, the same ticking clock. So the judges just look at the final cake and say, okay, well, who executed best?

SPEAKER_00 2:57

Makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 2:58

But imagine tuning into that exact same show. And while one baker has this fully stocked pantry, top-tier mixers, and like a team of sous chefs on standby, the other baker is just standing in an empty kitchen. Wow. And they're basically told they have to go out into the woods, forage for their own wild wheat, you know, mill their own flour, and build a fire from scratch before the clock even starts.

SPEAKER_00 3:21

That's brutal.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

The effort that second baker puts in might be astronomical, right? Their grit is just off the charts. But that starting line, it's fundamentally a completely different game.

SPEAKER_00 3:33

It is the absolute definition of a structural mismatch. And it completely changes how we, as observers, should evaluate the results of that competition.

SPEAKER_01 3:43

How so?

SPEAKER_00 3:44

Well, I mean, if the second baker's cake falls flat, it's not because they are a bad baker, it's because all their energy was spent on basic survival.

SPEAKER_01 3:51

Right, just getting the flour.

SPEAKER_00 3:53

Yeah, rather than refining the actual recipe. So when we say access in the context of the research we're presenting to you today, we are defining the practical ability to reach and activate the inputs that make a business viable.

SPEAKER_01 4:07

So we're talking about money.

SPEAKER_00 4:08

We're talking about money, of course. But we are also talking about things like credit, trusted relationships, uh tacit market knowledge. Which we'll get deep into later. Oh, definitely. Plus initial customers, talent, and even the institutions that just sort of confer legitimacy on a founder.

SPEAKER_01 4:23

So access isn't the recipe in the founder's head.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

No. And it's not the sweat on their brow either. It's the practical reach they had into that pantry before the oven ever gets turned on.

SPEAKER_01 4:33

Which perfectly brings us to the core mission of our conversation today. We need to deconstruct this access gap for you, our stakeholders.

SPEAKER_00 4:43

We're gonna get into all of it.

SPEAKER_01 4:44

We really are. We are going to explore how capital, networks, digital platforms, and systemic inequalities actually shape who gets to play the game.

SPEAKER_00 4:53

And more importantly, who gets to stay in it long enough to actually win.

SPEAKER_01 4:56

Yes. And to do that, we have to start by dismantling what the report calls the upstream illusion.

SPEAKER_00 5:02

That's a great term.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

Right. There is this pervasive narrative out there that entrepreneurship is just this pure meritocracy of ideas. That if you just have the burning desire and a brilliant concept, you know, you will inevitably launch.

SPEAKER_00 5:15

Right. And the data tells a completely different story on that.

SPEAKER_01 5:17

Aaron Powell It really does. Let's look at the National Bureau of Economic Research.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

The NBER, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 5:22

They compiled some fascinating data on minority entrepreneurship that directly measures this specific intent.

SPEAKER_00 5:29

Aaron Powell What did they find?

SPEAKER_01 5:30

Their summary shows that black and Hispanic individuals actually exhibit higher entrepreneurial intentions than their white counterparts.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

Aaron Powell Higher intentions. Wait, so they don't just want to start businesses more often.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

Aaron Powell No, it goes deeper than that. They also show greater statistical confidence in the actual survival and growth of their specific ideas. Wow. The desire is overwhelmingly there. The confidence is demonstrably there. Yet the data shows they are far less likely to actually launch those ventures once the ideas are conceived.

SPEAKER_00 6:01

Wait, I need to stop you there.

SPEAKER_01 6:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:02

Because this is the absolute crux of the issue. Yeah. If the desire is higher, right. And the confidence is higher. What is mechanically severing that link? Aaron Powell That's the million-dollar question. Like, why is that idea not translating into a signed LLC or a launched website or a real business? What is physically breaking the chain between the founder's brain and the market?

SPEAKER_01 6:24

Aaron Powell So the NBER research identifies social network access and specifically the actual use of those networks as the central breaking point.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

Aaron Powell Social networks. You mean like LinkedIn?

SPEAKER_01 6:35

Well, no, not digital platforms, but human networks. It's a gap in actionable support. The study found that black respondents, for instance, are significantly less likely to discuss their business ideas with peers or acquaintances in their immediate circle.

SPEAKER_00 6:50

Aaron Powell Oh, interesting.

SPEAKER_01 6:51

And when they do hit a wall and really need to seek out expertise, they are forced to turn to strangers much more often than to existing embedded personal networks.

SPEAKER_00 7:01

Aaron Powell So what does that look like in practice for a founder?

SPEAKER_01 7:03

Aaron Ross Powell Well, think about it. Does that mean when they hit a, say, a regulatory hurdle on a random Tuesday afternoon, they are essentially having to cold call people?

SPEAKER_00 7:12

Aaron Ross Powell or send blind LinkedIn messages for advice.

SPEAKER_01 7:15

Aaron Ross Powell Exactly. Whereas someone else might just text their uncle who already runs a logistics company.

SPEAKER_00 7:20

Or grab a coffee with a college roommate who just successfully raised a seed round.

SPEAKER_01 7:25

That is exactly what it looks like on a practical level. The missing factor for underrepresented founders in these early stages isn't ambition at all.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

Aaron Powell It's network access.

SPEAKER_01 7:34

Yes, networked access to helpful people who hold the cheat codes to the next step. It's not just having an idea, it's having the room to execute that idea.

SPEAKER_00 7:44

Room to execute. I really want to linger on that phrase for a second because it completely shifted my perspective when I first read the report.

SPEAKER_01 7:51

Same here.

SPEAKER_00 7:52

Access basically dictates the number of attempts a founder gets.

SPEAKER_01 7:56

The number of attempts.

SPEAKER_00 7:57

Think about it. If you have a fundamentally weak idea, but you have incredibly strong access, say you have a massive financial cushion, a network of angel investors and seasoned advisors who can warn you about legal pitfalls before you hit them.

SPEAKER_01 8:12

Right.

SPEAKER_00 8:13

You have the extreme luxury to test that bad idea. Because you can afford to fail. Exactly. You can launch it, realize the market hates it, pivot, iterate, rebrand, and just try again. Your access absorbs the impact of your failure.

SPEAKER_01 8:27

You survive your mistakes, you get to play another round.

SPEAKER_00 8:29

But consider the inverse.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 8:31

A fundamentally brilliant, incredibly strong idea paired with weak access. It often dies before the market even has a chance to evaluate it. That's true. A single mistake, like a slightly inefficient marketing spend, or a delayed shipment from a supplier.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Or a poorly drafted legal contract.

SPEAKER_00 8:50

Yes. Any of those can be totally fatal because there is no buffer. There are no second chances when you are operating without a safety net.

SPEAKER_01 8:58

So as stakeholders evaluating the landscape, the major takeaway here for you is that when we look at a successful entrepreneur, we are so often judging the runway rather than the pilot.

SPEAKER_00 9:09

That's such a good way to put it.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

We think we're grading how brilliantly they fly the plane, but we're really just measuring how much smooth paved concrete they had to pick up speed before the wheels had to leave the ground.

SPEAKER_00 9:20

That is a crucial reframing. And since runway is the ultimate lifesaver for any new venture, we really have to look at the primary material that pays it. Capital. We have to look at capital. Because formal financial markets are essentially sorting founders by pre-existing wealth long before the quality of their business plan even comes into play.

SPEAKER_01 9:38

Let's dig deep into that hard gate of capital because there is this incredibly persistent myth out there that if your business plan is solid, the bank will fund it.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

Oh, we hear that all the time.

SPEAKER_01 9:49

But the 2024 Federal Reserve data on startup and employer firms tells a deeply, frankly, uncomfortable story about who actually gets approved.

SPEAKER_00 9:59

Yeah, the racial gap in financing outcomes is incredibly steep, and it's built right into the mechanics of how traditional underwriting works.

SPEAKER_01 10:06

So break down the numbers for us.

SPEAKER_00 10:08

Let's look at the approval rates for loans, lines of credit, and merchant cash advances.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 10:13

In the 2024 Federal Reserve Survey year, 56% of white-owned employer firms were fully approved for the financing they sought.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

Okay, 56%. A little more than half. That gives us a sort of baseline.

SPEAKER_00 10:26

Right. Now compare that baseline to Hispanic-owned firms, which saw a 39% full approval rate. Okay, that's a big drop. And black owned firms were fully approved only 35% of the time.

SPEAKER_01 10:35

Wow. A drop from 56% to 35% is a massive chasm.

SPEAKER_00 10:40

It's huge.

SPEAKER_01 10:41

Is the data implying that banks are just like blatantly discriminating at the teller window, or is there a specific mechanical reason these applications are getting flagged and rejected?

SPEAKER_00 10:51

Well, it really comes down to collateral and the specific metrics of traditional underwriting.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Okay, explain that.

SPEAKER_00 10:57

Banks generally do not lend based on the pure potential of a new business idea.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

Even if it's a great idea.

SPEAKER_00 11:07

They lend based on historical assets that can be seized if the business fails.

SPEAKER_01 11:11

Ah, right. Risk mitigation.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Exactly. They want personal guarantees, they want collateral. And this is where the structural wealth divide mechanically enters the startup ecosystem.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Because you need wealth to prove you're not a risk.

SPEAKER_00 11:23

Right. The report draws on the 2022 Federal Reserve Survey of Consumer Finances, which lays out the macro environment perfectly. Let's hear it. The median wealth for white families sits at about$285,000. Okay. For black families, the median wealth is about$44,900.

SPEAKER_01 11:41

Oh, wow. So if the entry fee to the entrepreneurship casino is personal collateral, the game is rigged before the cards are even dealt.

SPEAKER_00 11:49

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 11:50

You walk up to the table, you check your pockets, and you realize you don't have the specific type of chips the house demands.

SPEAKER_00 11:56

That's exactly how the mechanism works.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

The Brookings report data we included in the deep dive shows this correlation perfectly. Black Americans make up 14.2% of the U.S. population. Right. But because startup funds and collateral almost always come from individual or family wealth, they own only 2.3% of employer firms.

SPEAKER_00 12:18

Stark contrast.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

The macro level inequality, it trickles down immediately to the startup level.

SPEAKER_00 12:23

But you know, the rejection rates only tell half the story here. There's more. There is a secondary mechanism here that the Federal Reserve actually calls the discouragement factor. And this is perhaps even more damaging.

SPEAKER_01 12:34

The discouragement factor, what does that mean?

SPEAKER_00 12:36

They looked at non-applicants. So firms that explicitly stated they needed capital to grow or survive, but actively chose not to apply for it. Among white-owned firms in that category, only five percent stayed out of the market because they expected a denial.

SPEAKER_01 12:51

Only five percent. So most still tried.

SPEAKER_00 12:53

Right. But for Hispanic-owned firms, thirty-three percent didn't apply because they expected denial. Whoa. And for black owned firms, 44% of non-applicants didn't even try.

SPEAKER_01 13:05

Forty-four percent needed the money to survive, but didn't even fill out the paperwork.

SPEAKER_00 13:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

And to be clear for everyone listening, this isn't irrational fear or like imposter syndrome. No at all. It's a highly accurate reading of the room. They are looking at the collateral requirements, looking at their own assets, and correctly calculating that the system is not built to say yes to them.

SPEAKER_00 13:25

They are completely opting out of the formal market entirely because the access barriers are just so visible to them.

SPEAKER_01 13:31

That makes total sense. Formal markets basically reward private buffers that broader society has already distributed unequally.

SPEAKER_00 13:39

Exactly. And when founders hit this wall, they are essentially sorted into three tiers of capital access.

SPEAKER_01 13:46

Let's walk through those tiers.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

The top tier is venture capital. VC is unique because it gives a founder permission to endure heavy losses.

SPEAKER_01 13:54

Yeah, they literally expect you to lose money at first.

SPEAKER_00 13:57

Right. It buys them the time and the talent to chase massive scale without worrying about immediate profitability.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

Okay, I have to jump in and play devil's advocate here for a second because we hear this counter narrative constantly in the business press.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

Let's hear it.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

Founders proudly declare we didn't take a dime of VC money, we bootstrapped.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

Oh, yes. The bootstrapping badge of honor.

SPEAKER_01 14:20

Aaron Ross Powell Right. Isn't bootstrapping the ultimate equalizer? I mean, you avoid giving up equity, you maintain total control, you just fund yourself through hard work and revenue. Doesn't that completely bypass this whole unequal banking system?

SPEAKER_00 14:33

Aaron Ross Powell It's a very compelling, very romantic narrative. I'll give you that. But our research completely dismantles the pure bootstrap myth. Bootstrapping only works as an equalizer if you already have a different form of access.

SPEAKER_01 14:46

Ah. So you're just shifting the type of access you need.

SPEAKER_00 14:49

Mechanically, yes. Bootstrapping usually requires some combination of significant personal savings to live on while the business makes absolutely nothing. Right. Or a high margin service revenue business that you could redirect cash from.

SPEAKER_01 15:03

Which takes time to build.

SPEAKER_00 15:04

Exactly. Or honestly, perhaps a wealthy spouse who can completely support the household's mortgage and health care while the founder grinds away for zero income.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

So bootstrapping is a luxury.

SPEAKER_00 15:15

It is a profound luxury. It is not an option for someone who needs to pay rent on the first of the month.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

That makes perfect sense. So if you don't have access to venture capital and you don't have the pre-existing wealth or family structure to bootstrap, where do you go? What is the third tier?

SPEAKER_00 15:32

You are pushed into what our report calls the harsh terrain.

SPEAKER_01 15:36

The harsh terrain sounds intense.

SPEAKER_00 15:38

This is the reality for the vast majority of underrepresented founders. It means relying on personal credit cards with exorbitant 24% interest rates to buy initial inventory. Oh man. It means turning to expensive, predatory online lending. Ultimately, it means chronic underinvestment.

SPEAKER_01 15:55

Because all your cash is going to debt service.

SPEAKER_00 15:57

Yes. You move slower, you stay smaller for longer, and because your margins are eaten up by high interest debt, you are incredibly vulnerable to any macroeconomic shock.

SPEAKER_01 16:08

A single bad month puts you under.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

Completely under.

SPEAKER_01 16:11

And we see this harsh terrain play out incredibly starkly along gender lines as well, don't we?

SPEAKER_00 16:16

Oh, absolutely. The 2024 Pitchbook NDCA Venture Monitor Data really highlights this split landscape.

SPEAKER_01 16:23

Aaron Powell What did the 2024 data show?

SPEAKER_00 16:26

Aaron Powell Well, women participate heavily in debt and revenue finance markets, often out of necessity, as we just discussed. Right. But elite equity markets like venture capital are a completely different story. In 2024, companies with all female founding teams raised just 1.8% of total venture deal value.

SPEAKER_01 16:43

1.8%. Yeah. That is practically a rounding error in the wider venture ecosystem. It completely proves that the issue isn't a lack of women starting businesses. Not at all. It's that access to the specific kind of capital that allows for hypergrowth is severely restricted by systemic network biases.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

Capital doesn't guarantee success. We know that. There are plenty of well-funded failures. Too many to count. But capital absolutely governs the number of chances a founder receives to figure things out.

SPEAKER_01 17:11

Okay, so if capital buys you time, let's look at what dictates how you spend that time.

SPEAKER_00 17:16

The soft gates.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

Yes. Let's move from the hard financial gates to the soft gates. The hidden power of networks, of geography, and with the research terms, the learning tax.

SPEAKER_00 17:27

This is where it gets really interesting.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

I want to start with geography, because the digital age basically promised us that geography was dead.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

The great equalizer of the internet.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

Right. The promise was that you could build a billion-dollar sauce company from a laptop and a coffee shop, anywhere in the world. But the data shows the geographic siphon is still incredibly powerful. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 17:47

Geography is still destiny in many, many ways. NBER research on venture capital agglomeration shows that in 2018, just three states.

SPEAKER_01 17:56

Let me guess. California, New York, and Massachusetts. Oh, right. Boston.

SPEAKER_00 18:00

Those three states accounted for 92% of all U.S. venture capital raised. And it actually gets more concentrated than that.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

How is that possible?

SPEAKER_00 18:11

Startups located in those same three states receive 79% of the total venture investments. Whoa. This isn't just a coincidence of where smart people happen to live. The research shows that capital supply itself acts like a literal physical magnet. So founders move to the money? Exactly. When local VC supply drops in a secondary market, startups literally pack up and move out of those states to follow the money.

SPEAKER_01 18:36

It's a gravitational pull. And it's not just the venture firms themselves, it's the institutions acting as multipliers.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

Universities.

SPEAKER_01 18:44

Yes. The data we found regarding research universities is staggering.

SPEAKER_00 18:47

Walk us through it.

SPEAKER_01 18:48

The NBER work on research institutions found that zip codes located within just five miles of a major research university have more than three times as many startups as similar places without one.

SPEAKER_00 18:58

Three times. Just for being within five miles.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

Exactly. The mechanism here is spillover. Roughly$1.5 million in extra federal research funding at a university statistically links to one additional successful local startup.

SPEAKER_00 19:14

And successful meaning what?

SPEAKER_01 19:15

Meaning an IPO or a sale above$10 million.

SPEAKER_00 19:18

Aaron Powell That's incredible.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

Aaron Powell So if you happen to live in the right zip code or have the financial resources to relocate to one, you are basically bathing in this invisible spillover of technical talent, lab space, institutional legitimacy, and casual collisions with investors at the local coffee shop. But I have to ask, we live in an era where literally all of human knowledge is searchable. We have Google, we have endless high-quality YouTube tutorials on how to incorporate a C core, how to run a Facebook ad campaign, how to format a pitch deck.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

The information is free.

SPEAKER_01 19:51

So why isn't this massive abundance of public information enough to bridge the gap?

SPEAKER_00 19:56

Aaron Ross Powell Because of the difference between explicit knowledge and tacit knowledge.

SPEAKER_01 20:00

Tacit knowledge. So let's unpack that for a second.

SPEAKER_00 20:02

This is a crucial concept in the report. Explicit knowledge is the public playbook. It's the YouTube tutorial.

SPEAKER_01 20:09

The step-by-step guide.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Right. Tacit knowledge is the context required to actually execute it. It's the difference between reading a recipe in a cookbook and having a Michelin star chef standing next to you.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

Tasting the sauce.

SPEAKER_00 20:22

Yes. Tasting it and telling you that your specific tomatoes need more salt because of their specific acidity.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

That's a great analogy.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

The Kaufman data in our report states that twenty-two percent of startups report trouble finding actionable support or advice.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

Twenty-two percent.

SPEAKER_00 20:39

And they often end up relying on family and friends instead.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

Which, to be fair, is fantastic for emotional support. You need someone to say, you can do it, honey, after a tough day.

SPEAKER_00 20:49

Emotional support is vital. You definitely need it. But family members usually don't have the pattern recognition of an experienced industry operator.

SPEAKER_01 20:56

No, usually not.

SPEAKER_00 20:57

A supportive relative can't look at your financials and tell you which specific growth playbook actually matches your software as a service margin profile. Or which legal jurisdiction is best for your specific weird regulatory hurdle. Founders without access to these operator networks end up paying what the report calls a heavy learning tax.

SPEAKER_01 21:17

A learning tax. How does that tax actually manifest in the real world?

SPEAKER_00 21:20

They pay for their education and lost time and incredibly costly mistakes.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

Give me an example.

SPEAKER_00 21:25

Okay. The founder with tacit network access makes a five-minute phone call to learn that a specific marketing channel is currently saturated and a waste of money.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

They just know to avoid it.

SPEAKER_00 21:34

Right. The founder without that access spends three months and$20,000 running ads in that channel before they learn the exact same lesson. Oh man, that hurts to even think about. That learning tax drains the exact financial runway we just established, is already dangerously short. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

That is brutal. It's an invisible tax on your runway. And this brings us to one of the most fascinating studies we included, the NBER paper looking at Harvard versus Stanford and networking fictions.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

I love this study.

SPEAKER_01 22:03

Because it perfectly isolates how these soft gates operate, even when we actively try to make things fair.

SPEAKER_00 22:09

Aaron Powell It's an incredibly revealing study. The researchers looked at business plan competitions. Okay. Now, theoretically, a business plan competition is a completely neutral, merit based environment. Stand on stage, you pitch your idea, and the judges score it.

SPEAKER_01 22:26

It should be completely objective.

SPEAKER_00 22:28

The study noted macro trends, like Harvard Business School accounting for the largest number of alumni receiving venture funding, with Stanford having roughly half as many.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Right.

SPEAKER_00 22:37

But the truly granular finding was about how founders interact with the judges themselves.

SPEAKER_01 22:42

Right. They found that with each additional venture capitalist acting as a judge on a panel, male participants were 3.1 percentage points more likely to become VC backed entrepreneurs later on.

SPEAKER_00 22:53

Which is a very specific bump.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

So my immediate question when reading that was, was this just overt bias? Like were the judges just preferentially returning emails from men?

SPEAKER_00 23:02

That's the twist. The mechanism wasn't simple overt investor bias in replying.

SPEAKER_01 23:07

It wasn't.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

No. The study pointed to a behavioral pattern where men were simply more likely to reach out after the fact and convert that initial exposure into actual durable access.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

They followed up.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

They followed up. Yeah. They invited the judge to coffee. They aggressively worked the room.

SPEAKER_01 23:24

So creating a neutral event doesn't erase entrenched social habits. Not at all. It doesn't erase the confidence gap or the culturally ingrained norms of who feels entitled to ask a billionaire for twenty minutes of their time.

SPEAKER_00 23:39

Aaron Powell It just proves how deep these soft gates really are. Venture capital operates in an environment of extreme information asymmetry. Investors are terrified of making bad bets.

SPEAKER_01 23:49

Aaron Powell Because they lose millions if they do.

SPEAKER_00 23:52

Right. So they rely on known intermediaries and familiar social signals to reduce their perceived risk. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01 23:58

The warm intro.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Exactly. If you already sit close to those intermediaries, or if you've been socialized in an environment that teaches you exactly how to act, speak, and follow up in those specific rooms, you bypass the gate completely. You don't even realize the gate is there. Aaron Powell You think it's just normal networking?

SPEAKER_01 24:14

Okay, so let's say a founder actually manages to survive the capital gauntlet and navigate the networking barriers.

SPEAKER_00 24:21

A rare feat.

SPEAKER_01 24:22

They secure the bag, they build the product, and it's finally ready for the market. We hear this narrative constantly from our stakeholders.

SPEAKER_00 24:29

Aaron Powell The Internet narrative.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

Yes. Doesn't a twenty dollar website level the playing field? You can reach customers globally from your living room. The internet destroyed the old retail gatekeepers.

SPEAKER_00 24:42

Yeah, that's a very common belief.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

But our research shows the internet didn't destroy gatekeepers at all. It just built new, much more opaque ones.

SPEAKER_00 24:50

Aaron Powell It's what our report calls the digital distribution trap.

SPEAKER_01 24:53

The digital distribution trap. Tell us about that.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

To really understand this, we have to separate launch access from distribution access. Okay. Launch access is the technical and financial cost to start. And it is absolutely true that launch access has never been cheaper. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

Right. Spending up a Shopify store, starting an email newsletter, or deploying code on AWS, it costs pennies compared to what it cost in, say, 1999. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 25:17

Exactly. But distribution access is the cost of customer acquisition.

SPEAKER_01 25:21

How do you get someone to actually look at your product?

SPEAKER_00 25:24

How do you get a human being to actually click on that Shopify store? And that cost is soaring exponentially.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

It's the build it and they will come fallacy. I like to think of it like building the most beautiful state-of-the-art retail storefront in the world with the best products imaginable.

SPEAKER_00 25:40

Okay. SU again.

SPEAKER_01 25:41

You build it in the middle of a barren desert.

SPEAKER_00 25:43

Right.

SPEAKER_01 25:44

And there are only two massive tech companies that own the roads, the street signs, and the digital maps. They get to decide whether or not to put your store on that map. Yep. And they get to decide exactly how much you have to pay them in tolls for every single customer that drives by.

SPEAKER_00 25:59

That is a very accurate mechanical analogy. And the scale of this concentration is staggering.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

Let's hear the numbers.

SPEAKER_00 26:07

Let's look at the data from the UK Competition and Markets Authority, the CMA. They estimated that in 2019, around 80% of all expenditure on search and display advertising in the UK went to just two companies.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Let me guess.

SPEAKER_00 26:22

Google and Facebook.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Unbelievable. 80%.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

And Google alone earned more than 90% of the total search advertising revenue. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01 26:30

And it's not just about where the ads are placed, right?

SPEAKER_00 26:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:32

It's the invisible data layer underneath it all. It is. The CMA found that Google tags are present on over 80% of websites and over 85% of Play Store apps.

SPEAKER_00 26:44

Which gives them an unmatchable panoptic view of user activity across the entire Internet. They see everything. Mechanically, that data improves their targeting algorithms, which improves their ad performance, which just strengthens the platform's advantage.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

It's a feedback loop.

SPEAKER_00 27:00

It creates a completely closed loop. Small businesses are forced to participate in their system and pay their tolls if they want to survive, because that is where all the human attention is bottlenecked.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

So access to customers now depends heavily on tools, marketplaces, and auction dynamics that founders have absolutely zero control over.

SPEAKER_00 27:18

Zero control.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Regulators are finally waking up to the danger of this. The European Center for Algorithmic Transparency and the European Commission are documenting how these algorithms and opaque ranking systems literally dictate sales velocity. Yes. They dictate a small business's inventory risk. Think about that. A tiny unannounced tweak in a search algorithm or a social media feed can cut a small business's traffic by 80% overnight.

SPEAKER_00 27:45

And potentially bankrupt them.

SPEAKER_01 27:47

Exactly. You aren't competing on product quality anymore. You are competing for placement within a distribution infrastructure controlled by a few massive intermediaries.

SPEAKER_00 27:57

So if most discovery happens inside these opaque infrastructures, then low barriers to entry simply mask incredibly high barriers to meaningful scale.

SPEAKER_01 28:08

A hobby business is easy to start.

SPEAKER_00 28:09

Right. A durable scaling firm requires distribution access that is aggressively gated and incredibly expensive to unlock.

SPEAKER_01 28:16

Okay, I want to take all these abstract concepts we've discussed so far, you know, the capital gates, the soft networking gates, the digital distribution traps. Let's ground them. Yeah, let's make them totally concrete for our arm. Through entrepreneurship stakeholders listening to us right now, we are going to apply this access lens to some of the most famous startup stories in the world.

SPEAKER_00 28:34

This is my favorite part of the report.

SPEAKER_01 28:36

And we're going to prove that even the ultimate heroes of grit and bootstrapping actually relied on very specific foundational access stacks.

SPEAKER_00 28:45

Access stacks, yes.

SPEAKER_01 28:46

Let's start with the ultimate ecosystem fast track story. Google and Airbnb.

SPEAKER_00 28:51

Let's look at Google first.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

The popular mythology is Larry Page and Sergey Brynn toiling away in a Stanford dorm room, a pure triumph of raw technical genius.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Which, I mean, the algorithm was objectively brilliant.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

It was brilliant. But look at the excess stack surrounding that brilliance. They were embedded in an elite academic research culture.

SPEAKER_01 29:12

At Stanford.

SPEAKER_00 29:13

Yes. They had immediate physical proximity to Silicon Valley investors. The literal jump from academic project to incorporated company happened because Sun Microsystems co-founder Andy Bechtelheim wrote them a$100,000 check in 1998.

SPEAKER_01 29:28

Just wrote them a check.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

After seeing a brief demo on a porch.

SPEAKER_01 29:31

On a porch. I mean the idea was brilliant, yes, but that check, that specific proximity to Andy Bechtelsheim, completely compressed their path to incorporation. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 29:40

They didn't have to spend two years maxing out credit cards on servers to prove the concept.

SPEAKER_01 29:44

Exactly. Now what about Airbnb? Because the famous story is that the founders were so broke during the 2008 election that they were selling novelty cereal, right? Obama O's and Captain McCain's.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

Just to survive and fund the site.

SPEAKER_01 29:58

That is paraded as the ultimate story of founder grit.

SPEAKER_00 30:01

It's a phenomenal grit story. I mean, selling cereal to keep the servers on is true hustle.

SPEAKER_01 30:05

Definitely.

SPEAKER_00 30:06

But grit alone didn't mechanically scale the company.

SPEAKER_01 30:09

No.

SPEAKER_00 30:09

No, they were sitting near failure, maxing out credit cards, gaining very little traction. The actual jump to what Paul Grant calls ramen profitability and true scale required access to Y Combinator. YC. Yes. YC gave them the network, the institutional credibility, and truthfully the direct tacit mentorship.

SPEAKER_01 30:30

Tacit mentorship. There's that concept again.

SPEAKER_00 30:33

Right. It was YC advisors who told them their photos were terrible, literally flew them to New York and taught them how to manually upgrade their listings.

SPEAKER_01 30:40

So the persistence kept them alive.

SPEAKER_00 30:41

But the accelerator access is what actually provided the mechanics to launch them out of the trough of sorrow.

SPEAKER_01 30:47

Okay. Those are classic Silicon Valley ecosystem stories. But what about founders who start outside the bubble?

SPEAKER_00 30:53

Good question.

SPEAKER_01 30:54

Let's look at Canva and Partake Foods. These are incredible case studies in our report on overcoming geographic and demographic hurdles.

SPEAKER_00 31:03

Canva is a really fascinating example. Melanie Perkins started the precursor to Canva in Perth, Australia.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

Very far from the Silicon Valley center of gravity.

SPEAKER_00 31:13

Geographically, you couldn't get much further. She famously faced more than 100 investor rejections.

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Over a hundred.

SPEAKER_00 31:20

She slept on her brother's couch in the Bay Area for months, just trying to get meetings and pitch the vision.

SPEAKER_01 31:25

So just working harder and pitching more wasn't the actual breakthrough?

SPEAKER_00 31:29

No. The breakthrough was a specific alignment of access. According to Ganva's own historical materials, the turning point came after she attended Bill Thai's Mai Thai conference. What's the Mai Thai Conference? It's a unique networking event centered around kite surfing.

SPEAKER_01 31:43

Kite surfing.

SPEAKER_00 31:44

Yes. That event provided the context where she finally secured the right introductions in a relaxed social setting.

SPEAKER_01 31:50

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

Concurrently, they secured a matching commercialization grant from the Australian government. Yes. And they found their crucial technical co-founder, Cameron Adams, through an introduction.

SPEAKER_01 32:01

So the idea for Canva was strong for years.

SPEAKER_00 32:05

But the trajectory only changed when the access to investors' technical talent and institutional endorsement finally clicked into place.

SPEAKER_01 32:12

And we see a very similar structural barrier with Partake Foods and its founder, Denise Woodard. Yes. She faced 86 rejections from investors.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

86.

SPEAKER_01 32:21

And this wasn't, you know, a pie in the sky unproven tap idea. This was a consumer packaged goods product addressing a massive real-world pain point. Allergy-friendly snacks. Right. She had serious corporate experience at Coca-Cola. She had a great product that was already selling locally.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

Her barrier wasn't a lack of hustle or a bad product. It was systemic venture bias. Right. She didn't fit the pattern. Her breakthrough finally came when she gained access to Jay-Z's Marcy Venture partners and a coalition of black investors who intrinsically understood the market demographic she was targeting.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

And they didn't hold the same risk biases.

SPEAKER_00 32:56

Exactly. She didn't lack insight. She lacked access to the specific capital networks that would validate and fund the brand fast enough to capture massive retail shelf space before a competitor replicated it.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

I love that phrase you used earlier. An access stack.

SPEAKER_00 33:13

Yeah, it's very descriptive.

SPEAKER_01 33:14

But let me jump in here and play devil's advocate again because I know some of our listeners are screaming two specific names at their audio players right now.

SPEAKER_00 33:22

Let's hear them.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

Callendly and MailChimp.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Ah, yes.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

These are the ultimate poster children for building massive multi-billion dollar tech companies without traditional venture capital. They are the bootstrap heroes.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

And they are undeniably incredible companies. But when we dismantle the pure bootstrap myth and look at their actual mechanics, we see they just utilized a different flavor of access.

SPEAKER_01 33:46

Aaron Powell Let's look at Callan Lee. The founder, Topa Watona, utilized$200,000 of his own life savings to start it. I have to pause there. Because most people, especially underrepresented founders, do not have$200,000 in highly liquid life savings sitting around to bet on a software idea.

SPEAKER_00 34:05

No, they don't.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

That is a massive form of capital access, even if it's personal.

SPEAKER_00 34:09

Self-funded access, but it's still access. Furthermore, he had significant prior experience in enterprise software sales.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

Ah.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

That meant he possessed deep tacit knowledge. He didn't have to pay a massive learning tax on how to price, position, or sell sauce products to large companies. He already knew the playbook. Exactly. Additionally, Callendly itself had a product-led growth model inherently built on virality.

SPEAKER_01 34:33

Because when you send someone a Callendly link, you are exposing them to the product. It naturally distributes itself.

SPEAKER_00 34:39

Exactly. So he bypassed VC? Absolutely. But he relied heavily on a stack of personal wealth access, tacit knowledge access, and viral product mechanics.

SPEAKER_01 34:48

And MailChimp. Because they didn't have$200,000 in savings, did they?

SPEAKER_00 34:52

No. MailChimp's founders, Ben Chestnut and Dan Cursius, had a completely different stack. They started with a functioning web design agency.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

Oh, right.

SPEAKER_00 35:00

They had an existing roster of paying corporate clients and crucially existing cash flow.

SPEAKER_01 35:06

Cash flow is king.

SPEAKER_00 35:07

They built MailChimp on the side to solve a problem for those specific clients. Their bootstrap path depended on leveraging existing service revenue to fund the software development.

SPEAKER_01 35:17

And deep market knowledge from their daily agency work.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

Right. It wasn't raw idea merit springing from an empty garage. It was leveraging a functioning, profitable business infrastructure to fund a new one.

SPEAKER_01 35:29

So if you're keeping score at home, the stories of Callan Lee and Mailchimp don't refute the access thesis at all.

SPEAKER_00 35:35

Not at all.

SPEAKER_01 35:35

They completely validate it. They just demonstrate that if you don't use venture capital access, you better have a heavy stack of personal wealth access, tacit knowledge access, or existing revenue access to survive the runway.

SPEAKER_00 35:47

Precisely. Which really brings us to the most crucial part of this deep dive. The path forward. As representatives of through entrepreneurship, what do we want our stakeholders, our policymakers, and our community leaders to actually do with this information?

SPEAKER_01 36:02

Right. We've spent this time diagnosing the disease. Now we need to evaluate the cure.

SPEAKER_00 36:07

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 36:08

And to do that, let's summarize the mixed reality we are currently operating in. Based on our research, there are generally three interpretations of the modern entrepreneurial landscape. Let's lay them out. The first is that it's a pure meritocracy. Anyone with a laptop and grit can win.

SPEAKER_00 36:23

Which we know is flawed.

SPEAKER_01 36:24

Right. The second is that technology is the great equalizer, wiping out all the old geographic barriers. Also flawed. And the third is that modern institutions, like accelerators, pitch competitions, and universities, are saving us by democratizing access.

SPEAKER_00 36:40

Aaron Powell And our comprehensive report concludes that all three of those interpretations are partially true, but fundamentally incomplete. How so? The reality is that entrepreneurship is incredibly open for entry, but it is heavily constrained for durable growth.

SPEAKER_01 36:55

Meaning anyone can start, but very few can grow.

SPEAKER_00 36:58

Open tools like low-cost software and social media broaden the realm of possibility. But the effective use of those tools still heavily depends on complementary access to skills, resources, capital, and networks. And the institutions. Institutions absolutely matter, but they often sort and select in ways that just reproduce existing social and economic hierarchies.

SPEAKER_01 37:21

So as you beautifully phrased it earlier, the systemic structure sets the range inside which individual agency operates.

SPEAKER_00 37:28

That's the core finding.

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Agency matters, hustle matters, but you are hustling inside a predefined box. So what are the actual policy prescriptions here?

SPEAKER_00 37:38

Aaron Ross Powell We must fundamentally shift our focus from merely celebrating the act of starting, the entry, to widening meaningful participation and survival. We can't just clap when someone files an LLC or builds a website.

SPEAKER_01 37:50

It's not enough.

SPEAKER_00 37:51

We have to look at the upstream conditions that determine if that LLC will actually exist in three years.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

And there are some positive steps happening on this front, right? The report highlights things like the EDA Tech Hubs and the National Science Foundation's regional innovation engines.

SPEAKER_00 38:04

Yes, those are great examples.

SPEAKER_01 38:06

How do those actually work?

SPEAKER_00 38:07

These are vital initiatives because they focus on regional ecosystems. Mechanically, they are directing federal funding to build up the infrastructure, lab space, and institutional support in secondary markets.

SPEAKER_01 38:21

So you don't have to move?

SPEAKER_00 38:22

Exactly. They recognize that you shouldn't have to pack up your life and move to Silicon Valley, Boston, or New York just to have a statistical chance of building a high growth company.

SPEAKER_01 38:33

They are trying to deliberately construct the spillover effects we talked about earlier.

SPEAKER_00 38:37

Precisely. Additionally, the small business administration expanding community advantage lending is a mechanical step toward addressing capital access gaps.

SPEAKER_01 38:47

How does that work?

SPEAKER_00 38:48

It empowers community-based lenders who understand local markets much better than massive national banks do.

SPEAKER_01 38:53

That makes sense. But these are just pieces of a much larger puzzle.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

They are.

SPEAKER_01 38:58

This brings up a critical distinction you make in the research, and I want to make sure every single stakeholder hears this. It's the difference between equal access versus expanded opportunity.

SPEAKER_00 39:07

This is a vital distinction.

SPEAKER_01 39:08

What is the functional difference between those two concepts, and why does confusing them cause so much policy failure?

SPEAKER_00 39:15

Expanded opportunity simply means inviting more people to play a game that is still mechanically rigged.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 39:21

It's saying, here is a free laptop and a six-week course on coding. Now go compete in the market against the founder whose parents just introduced them to a venture capitalist for a$500,000 seed round.

SPEAKER_01 39:32

It treats the symptom, not the disease.

SPEAKER_00 39:34

Exactly. Equal access, on the other hand, is much harder and much deeper. It requires addressing the upstream conditions.

SPEAKER_01 39:42

Like what?

SPEAKER_00 39:43

It touches on systemic wealth inequality, regional broadband infrastructure, early childhood education, and reforming underwriting practices and lending.

SPEAKER_01 39:52

The big structural issues.

SPEAKER_00 39:53

Yes. If policy ignores these upstream conditions and only focuses on expanded opportunity, it will continue mistaking temporary symptoms for root causes.

SPEAKER_01 40:02

Wow. Inviting more people to play a rigged game, that is gonna stick with me.

SPEAKER_00 40:07

It's the reality of the data.

SPEAKER_01 40:09

As we wrap up this deep dive into through entrepreneurship's foundational research, I want to reiterate the core tension we've explored today for all our stakeholders listening.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

It's a complex landscape.

SPEAKER_01 40:21

We live in a world where incredibly low barriers to entry coexist with intensely high barriers to success. Markets aren't unfair simply because they pick winners and losers. That is the very nature of business, and we want markets to test ideas.

SPEAKER_00 40:37

Right. Failure is part of the process.

SPEAKER_01 40:38

But recurrent markets are unfair because they decide too late. They make their final decisions after the access gap has already mechanically disqualified incredible, world-changing ideas from founders who never even got the chance to fully step onto the playing field.

SPEAKER_00 40:53

They were blocked at the gate.

SPEAKER_01 40:54

They didn't have the runway, they didn't have the collateral, they couldn't pay the learning tax.

SPEAKER_00 40:58

And to leave our listeners with a final provocative thought to mull over as they digest this research.

SPEAKER_01 41:05

Yeah, leave us with something to think about.

SPEAKER_00 41:07

We've talked extensively about how digital platforms have monopolized distribution. We discussed the desert storefront. Right. If customer attention and digital reach are currently hoarded by a few opaque gatekeepers who literally dictate who lives and who dies in the market through algorithmic tweaks.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:25

Should we start treating customer access, things like search algorithms and primary ad marketplaces as public infrastructure?

SPEAKER_01 41:32

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 41:33

Should they be regulated with the exact same scrutiny and transparency requirements as public utilities like water, roads, and electricity to ensure true entrepreneurial fairness?

SPEAKER_01 41:43

Now that is a thought to keep you up at night. Is the search algorithm the new public power grid? I love that reframing.

SPEAKER_00 41:50

It's something we all need to be thinking about.

SPEAKER_01 41:51

Thank you to our expert, and thank you to you, our stakeholders, for joining us on this deep dive into Through Entrepreneurship's latest research. Your support makes this analysis possible. It really does. Going forward, the next time you read a glowing magazine profile of a self-made billionaire, or watch a founder triumph on a baking show or a venture pitching show, I encourage you to look past the grip, look past the execution, and ask yourself one simple revealing question What was their stack of access?

SPEAKER_00 42:22

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 42:23

We'll see you next time.