How to Be a Disruptor for the Right Kingdom

Join us for a conversation with Derek Winkley as we explore what it means to answer God’s call to be a disruptor. In this episode, we unpack the tension of stepping out in bold obedience, discerning where God is leading, and recognizing how easy it is to unintentionally disrupt for the wrong kingdom. Learn how to align your influence with His purpose and become a force for the right kind of change.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

I've had pressures before where I was like, man, I didn't do this perfectly. I didn't sing this perfectly. I didn't, and the Lord stopped me and he said, Well, good thing you're not the object of their worship. Yeah. I'm the object of their worship. You just help lead them to me. And I'm like, okay, well, that does take a certain element of pressure where the perfection thing can be demonic oppression.

SPEAKER_04 0:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 0:22

But at the same time, to want to be good for the Lord. Yes. To bring him the gift, not for the people, but for the Lord.

SPEAKER_06 0:30

You know, I'm in green rooms and people won't even pray out loud. I'm like, bruh, you done, you done had a whole 30-minute conversation. You will reverence me more than you will reverence the Lord. Crazy. You won't pray out loud, but you'll talk to me for 30 minutes, man. Like, I'm not that tight.

SPEAKER_01 0:55

Welcome to another episode of Protect the Altar Podcast. I'm so excited because today we have a special guest. Me and Tim are here with Derek Winkley. Derek, how are you doing today?

SPEAKER_06 1:04

I'm doing great.

SPEAKER_01 1:05

Good. Tell us a little bit about yourself, where you're from, anybody who doesn't know you.

SPEAKER_06 1:10

Um, I'm Derek Winkley from Dallas, Texas.

SPEAKER_01 1:13

Dallas, Texas.

SPEAKER_06 1:14

Uh yeah, born and raised. Uh I'm a product of a preacher, a teacher, in the hood. Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

In the hood, in the hood of Dallas. In the hood of Dallas. That's what I'm saying. Pleasant road, Texas. I love that.

SPEAKER_06 1:30

So, yeah, I mean, yeah, I grew up there. My whole life was in music. I mean, playing in my dad's church when I was one. And one. One year old, playing drums.

SPEAKER_01 1:41

You started playing drums at one year old? Yeah. That's crazy. I didn't know that. That is crazy.

SPEAKER_06 1:46

Yeah. So I was playing for the like the men's choir when I was like two. And then that led to other things. Like I did this thing called Drummers for Jesus when I was 12.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Drummers for Jesus.

SPEAKER_06 1:57

Yeah, but it was I love that. It was a legit. Actually, before that, I was like touring the city uh when I was like six. What? I put my drums in my uncle's uh truck, and he would take me to different churches and I would like just do drum solos all over all over town.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

I mean, if it was modern day, you would be viral.

SPEAKER_06 2:15

I would you would have gone viral. You know what? I don't respect the the like that approach because I had to get it like hard. Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 2:25

Like I had to have to work for it.

SPEAKER_06 2:27

I had to work for it. Yeah, I didn't get I didn't get 10 times practicing and then I post the best one. It was like it was one and done for me.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

One and done. That's actually true.

SPEAKER_06 2:36

Uh when I was 12, I did this thing called Drums for Jesus. It was like the top drummers in the world, like Chris Brown's drum, John Blackwell, Aaron Spears, who's deceased now, Chris Coleman, um Sput C Wright, who's a Dallas drummer, um, Greg Bissonet, like uh a lot of the top drummers, and I was one of the featured drummers at like 12. Wow. And so I met my mentor who played drums for Snarky Puppy. Um, and uh yeah, we just I just kind of locked into music from then on.

SPEAKER_01 3:08

I love that.

SPEAKER_06 3:09

That's that's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 3:10

So you started on drums, you are a preacher, teacher, kid. So you were like born and raised in church.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 3:18

And so then you are in Dallas, you're connecting with all these musicians at a young age.

SPEAKER_04 3:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:24

And so then what happens from there? Like, so you meet Jesus obviously as a kid.

SPEAKER_06 3:31

Pretty early. Yeah, I'm actually thinking about getting baptized again.

SPEAKER_01 3:34

Yeah, yeah. That's special.

SPEAKER_06 3:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Sometimes, you know, I feel like as pastors' kids, we can take for granted those moments and like to choose to do it even as an adult. As an adult, it's very special. Yeah, it is. It is special.

SPEAKER_05 3:50

It's a real I have decided moment.

SPEAKER_06 3:51

Yeah, and it's also like I feel like there's like a lot of shame. You know what I mean? Like, man, I was baptized, I'm gonna just let that ride. But it's like, you're right, like I I want to make a decision for myself and like really be intentional about you know, like where I'm at. So, anyways, yeah, that's good. That's good. I'm getting ahead of myself. Get washed in the water.

SPEAKER_01 4:10

That's what I'm talking about. So, all right, so then tell me about all of that. You get into music, do you stay in your your dad's church? Where do you go from there?

SPEAKER_06 4:20

Yeah, so um playing music at my at church, which is which was a huge training ground. This was before you know, multi-tracks and before you just had to be good. You just had to be really good, you know. And again, I I'm I'm like so old. I I'm like, I don't respect all of the resources that that people expect. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 4:46

It's like you sound like an old grandpa.

SPEAKER_06 4:48

But it ain't even like hey, thank you. It's not thank you for the resources. It's like, hey, where's my chart? And where like, bruh, this is a privilege. Like, you playing four chords anyways, just come and show up and play.

SPEAKER_01 5:03

Like that's your hot take today, right?

SPEAKER_06 5:07

Absolutely. That's not a hot, that's the truth, bro. Stop being coddled, man.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

Like that that is true, though. Like, you know, but but musically we can in the church.

SPEAKER_06 5:17

We are allowing, we are we are allowing non-levitical people on the stage, so it ain't got no, they ain't it ain't walking with no power or authority anyway. So they just hey, I'm gonna just come do the thing. That's true. In some places that is the case, yeah. But anyways, I grew up in a in a in a very like hard thing, and so uh I was doing that in churches, and then I would go to this place called the Prophet Bar, and that was a whole nother training ground because it was not church people, and they was they would cuss you out if you weren't doing well. So it was like it was the same thing, just like in a whole different realm. More pressure, more pressure. So, like, you know, I I met I've met of tons of people from Justin Timberlake to Adam Blackstone to uh Ronald Bruner Jr. in the profit bar, you know. Like, and so man, they allow me the opportunity to sit in RC in the grits were the were the house band, which was Erica Badu's band. Um and so I mean you you just get all of these people and it was like a jazz, little jazz lounge, and you know, either you either you played or or they would like publicly on the mic, somebody come get you know what I mean? Like somebody come in, sit, you know. And so it was it was really, it was it was it was a it was a it was a strengthening. Wow, it was oppressing.

SPEAKER_01 6:39

That is oppressive, that's crazy. So, how did you get into like moving to the piano? Because now, you know, you're you're a track writer, and how did you get into songwriting?

SPEAKER_06 6:49

Yeah, so um, I mean, from there I went to UNT, which is a jazz uh college in in Texas and Dallas. Um, and so I was like teching for Sput, who was who was the was the drummer for Snakey Puppy at the time. And so I would just go to his gigs, set his drums up, um, and that would be it. And I would just watch him play, you know, watch him play these amazing gigs, and sometimes he wouldn't show up to the sound check. So I would like, it was like a he was discipling me, like you know what I mean, and then musically, musically, yeah. And so uh I would I would do that. Um, and then he started his own band and so uh called Ghost Note, and so it was Ghost Note, um, Mark Lethieri and Corey Henry Funk Apostles, if you guys know him. And if also I know this is like a Christian podcast, but for the people that are watching, go look these people up because they're like just incredibly like incredibly gifted musicians, they're all from church.

SPEAKER_01 7:52

Um, but they're like only the best comes from church.

SPEAKER_06 7:55

You will learn so much, you know what I mean? Like there's there's there's a craft to this. Like uh, I'm getting off topic, but but uh when they were building the temple in the in the old testament, they they got this the skilled tapestry guy, right? Like these people were skilled, they just weren't average Joes, they were good at their craft, yeah. And then they were used by God, you know what I mean? So it's like, but anyways, these people were they they were so talented, but Sput also plays keys, and so I like wanting to be like him, I started playing piano.

SPEAKER_01 8:28

Wow, yeah, and how old were you then?

SPEAKER_06 8:30

Probably like 18, 19 years old.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

So I was much later, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 8:34

18, 19, and uh then I started I just started touring from there. Um you know, uh worked with Reach Records. Uh I I did like Liz Vice is this this soul jazz artist named Liz Vice. Um yeah, I I toured with I I went to Paris with Miles Davis's band. Um yeah, I was just like playing music from there and and like you know, everything kind of led one thing to another. I did passion conferences, like, you know, and and at this point, like you know, Jennifer Hudson's show and like all the things. I've done everything musically that I could possibly want to do or like wow, you know, but they all kind of led and bled into each other. I started like doing tour production um for Tadashi, actually. Uh and then I then I was MDing for like all the artists that I played with. Uh every church that I would go to, I would start MDing. And so I got really good at Ableton and really good at arranging things. And uh a friend of mine played for um, he was on tour Rihanna and Eminem, and I was doing some stuff with day 26, and so I had never kind of like arranged some. They sent me all the files, and so I just called him. I was like, bro, help me like arrange this thing. And so he helped me over the phone. Um, but then I learned how to like arrange songs and like you know what I mean, like do the things that I'm doing now, but like in a in a just in a different context. And so you learned that, and then like I went to the I I got into the prayer room, the Lord led me to upper room and in the prayer room, and you know, they we have two songs for two hours, and so that's where I really learned how to write songs. Like this like 2019, you know. Yeah, I hadn't really written a song like that until I got my distribution deal with integrity. You know, wow, um, and so I learned how to write songs in a prayer room, you know. Um, just like and and that's where I really learned the like I was all skill, and then I learned like how to like search the heart of God and and what I'm doing. And so yeah, yeah. So, but yeah, that's amazing. Yeah, what a journey.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

That is a journey, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 10:59

That's a journey, bro.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

That is a journey. So wow, and I'm that's like very overstimulating for a young man, like that, there's this experience after high experience after high experience, and it's just like whoa. So I getting into uh in your Christian journey, I know you've learned a few things, yeah. And so looking back, looking in the rear view mirror, what would you want to either the advice you'd want to give yourself or you would want to give to someone who is kind of in your same shoes? They have all of these opportunities and they have all this talent. Is there any advice in you would give anybody beginning in their journey?

SPEAKER_06 11:38

Yeah, I mean, I think I'm still on it, I'm still like processing different things. And so I think for me it's just like to trust the Lord in it all. Like the God is gonna give you everything that you need, you know. And I've been like having conversations around um what actually moves the heart of God. I don't think it's perfection, I think it's faith. Purely. So you could be successful and not be totally saved, you know what I mean? Like, but if you have the faith, I think he partners more with faith than he partners with uh somebody trying to look a certain way, you know. Um there's success there are successful people in the music industry that in the Christian music industry that aren't saved.

SPEAKER_01 12:33

That's true.

SPEAKER_06 12:34

How do we get there? But with that faith, like you can be somewhere, but also have no authority in that space too. And so I think I'm learning to like not just look at like those high moments or you know, whatever, um not look at like what what I can get with partnering with the Lord just in faith, but like man, how much authority do I carry when I get there? So true, you know. Um, and so I think that's what I'm learning. It's like, man, you can do anything that you want to really, honestly. Like, if you have enough faith to get there, you you'll do it. Right.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

If you believe and you're like, you can you can knock down any door you want to knock down.

SPEAKER_06 13:13

You can knock down.

SPEAKER_01 13:14

Your talent, you could get in. Yeah, but like you said, do you have the authority to actually bring heaven into that space?

SPEAKER_06 13:22

To that space.

SPEAKER_01 13:23

Yeah, that's the difference. And I think that's where it's kind of scary because when we look into the space of the worship world, the worship industry, or even the Christian music industry, and all of the exposing that's going on and everything, you know, where there are people who are not saved, who lack a fear of the Lord or just, you know, there are writing rooms we've talked about that people would laugh at them for bringing their Bible.

SPEAKER_04 13:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Like this is not the this is not the room to bring your Bible in, you know?

SPEAKER_04 13:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:51

And it's just like, how do we get there? And so this podcast is talking about protecting the altar and keeping what's sacred, what's holy. And what guardrails do you think are important to build in a worship leader or anyone's life, navigating this industry, navigating serving in the local church? What would you say?

SPEAKER_06 14:09

Yeah, I mean, as far as guardrails, I think like just creating systems. And I'm learning that now. You know, I I have I I'm so I'm such an open person. Uh, I try to be friendly, but I'm also like different, you know, and and and I'll say this, like especially being black in like super white spaces, like the CCM industry is like I'm I'm already coming in 10 steps behind because it just there's a cultural dissonance there. Uh but I'm like um you know, trying to um I'm I'm trying to create better systems for myself to not put myself in in uh vulnerable situations, you know, and so um yeah, creating systems that means being very aware of who I'm around and how I'm around people, you know. Um and so I think that that's a guardrail, you have to have good systems, you know. Um yeah, systems, procedures, and and consecrating myself, fasting um, you know, so a system for me is having mentors, you know, having like people that I can actually talk to, that I can that can challenge me like deeply, you know, um prayer life, reading the Bible, you know. But yeah, I would I would say create create a good system. Yeah, create good systems, everything crumbles with with no guardrails, right?

SPEAKER_01 15:50

You know, right. That's that's the truth. Okay, so you were talking before camera started rolling about how naturally the Lord created you as like a disruptor. You like to disrupt, you know, whatever it is, the status quo, it's just you know, the the way that you're made. A lot of innovative creative people are made like that. So can you elaborate on that and like the journey God's you know, you were mentioning that God has taken you on about how dish how to disrupt the way He wants you to disrupt?

SPEAKER_06 16:20

Yeah, um I think it's I think it's an apostolic anointing, really. Um it's you know, the Lord just creates certain people to swim upstream. Um and I've never just been one who is like go with the flow. Go with the flow, go along and get along. I'm like always thinking of a way to like and not even purposely, I'm not trying to purposely like stand out, but it's just like man, I can I can be in a room full of people, and somebody will point and give me a prophetic word or something. You know, it's just like it just happens. Um but I think um I'm trying to learn in this season to like to again like what authority can I carry in in being like this apostolic disruptor, you know, and how do I use that spiritually? Because I've you know, and I said this before, but like I've I've used it for my own gain, you know, I've been a little selfish in it, and I've like, you know, maybe disrupted some things that the Lord didn't tell me to disrupt, but right, I think that there's like such a a power and authority that comes with like doing that God's way, you know. Yeah, and sometimes it doesn't even look like saying anything. Daniel was a disruptor, he and he just prayed every day, right? Exactly. He disrupted the culture to not pray. He what he didn't say anything to anybody, yeah. He just prayed. He's like, hey, if I'm sorry that y'all are offended, but I'm gonna go do my thing, you know. And so it doesn't always look like storming the gates of hell from a like a rah rah-rah way, but it's just like, man, how do I like walk in authority? How do I you know how do I give myself to this thing God's way?

SPEAKER_01 18:06

You know, that's good.

SPEAKER_05 18:08

I feel like something you're saying about authority too, and I was reminded because you and I were talking a little off camera about this too, and it was just a rich conversation this morning, um, and just building. But like one of the things about authority that is always um, like you said, it's not rah-rah like storm to get to hell thing, but like there's this there's a passage, and I was looking it up earlier, and um it's John 13, and Jesus is washing the disciples' feet. And literally, before he starts washing their feet, the scripture wants us to know that in context, that Jesus knew in that very moment that all authority had been given to him. Yeah, everything that God had created, everything on the earth was under his authority. And so, what did he do in that moment with the knowledge that I have the authority to do? I I went low and I and I served. Yeah, and I and he washed people's feet. So just as much as authority is storming the gates of hell and and taking things by force, it is just as much as loving, caring, kind, serving and putting others before yourself and all of that.

SPEAKER_06 19:17

And I think and I think that that's when you know that you're doing it the Lord's way, you know, right? And you're not gonna, again, they were offended that he did that. You know what I mean? They were like, Well, what are you doing? Uh-huh. But so I said that to say, like, everybody's not gonna get it, but at the same time, like, we are called to love God and love people. That's what I know. And so if the if if my disruption is disrupting other people's lives in a in a negative way, then then it's not, it doesn't carry the the godly authority that you know what I mean. And so you can ruffle feathers because he because with the with the Pharisees, it was a different type of disruption, you know what I mean? And so it's like, you know, you just have to really like be in tune with like, man, where is the spirit leading me in this moment? And and what do I like, how do I serve the situation? Is this a washing feet, yeah, or am I flipping tables? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 20:15

And so that discernment comes from that more than just like a normal style prayer life, it's that deep intimacy with God. Yeah, because that's where you a lot of times I think we get in those situations where it's like uh and I and I I think you know, um, Pastor Patricia, who's who's Deborah's mom, is you know, uh such a uh spiritual mother uh to so many, and she has always told me, she said, you know, uh God is giving you authority and many tools to use, but you you can't always pull the sword out of the bag. Sometimes it's more than the sword and the tool bag on the table.

SPEAKER_06 20:52

And you can rub it.

SPEAKER_05 20:54

Think about it like this if if yeah, if your natural inclination is I always want to flip the table, but what if somebody is at that table that God called to you to be in a relationship with the creator? But if you flip the table, then you so it's discernment in those moments. And the only way you grow in discernment is the secret place with God where you can hear his voice. Because if you can learn to hear his voice there and deep intimacy, then the loudness of life and your natural carnal inclination to just respond to something, yeah. All of a sudden you can hear his voice in the loudness of those moments that you can obey.

SPEAKER_06 21:29

The two things that the Lord is teaching me in this season is submission and honor.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

Yeah, yeah, and that's my authority.

SPEAKER_06 21:36

How do I honor? There you go, bro. That's it. It's hard. Yeah, because it's sometimes I'm I'm like I said, I'm a natural table flipper. Yeah, but but in this season, he's teaching me to submit and to honor.

SPEAKER_01 21:53

And that'll take you farther than anything else. So reflecting on the industry of worship versus the call of Worship. Two different things, you know. We got a whole industry, we have a whole thing that's been built, you know. And it's not necessarily bad, you know, it's not necessarily bad at all. Like God can use that, and there is order to that and system in place. But how can we, as there's a lot of people who watch this podcast that maybe songwriters who are also worship leaders? Yeah. And then so they're in both worlds. They're in the they're in the industry of worship, but then they're also leading worship, called to um their local church. So how can in your in your experience we stay legit and committed to the main thing and not allow our hearts to get sidetracked?

SPEAKER_06 22:40

Yeah, I mean, I think it's two facets. Um it's understanding that music is a craft. Just like and I think that we we dishonor the creativity part of the stage and we glorify too much maybe like the the the orate the orative part of the stage, or I don't know if that's a word, but like the the preaching, right? So like yeah, yeah, we guard that, but we don't really guard the worship, and those are equally as like absolutely they're both they're both discipling, yes, they're both leading, they're both, you know what I mean? And so it's like I think first we need to bring as much honor as we do from a pastoral lens to the worship lens, yeah, you know, and that I think spiritually, like, man, where's your heart really? You know what I mean? Like, because we wouldn't let somebody um anybody just preach, right? You know, but we'll let somebody watch porn Saturday night and play drums or play bass. Ain't nobody gonna see them. No, they're they're they're ministering, yeah. You know what I mean? And not, you know, whatever. If you're struggling with that, that's on you and the Lord, but it's like and and your leadership.

SPEAKER_01 24:05

See, that's the thing. Where if people are struggling, yeah, we gotta have ministry and pastors in place where people, but it's on each individual to confess, to confess, to confess to one another, and so we have to be pastors who are safe places for that confession, absolutely, and then know when when to even set down.

SPEAKER_06 24:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

When is when do we need to say ourselves down? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 24:30

When you know, I think I think one, there's like we need to hold like spiritually the the the realness of that. And then two, I think we need to understand that music is a craft, yeah. And so, like we were talking about the planets and everything, like I really, really care about I care about the craft of music. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, I want to be good at music so that I can give an offering to the Lord. But like I want to be like, I want to be the best musician in a room, even though I know I'm not most of the time, like I just want to be the best at what I do, you know.

SPEAKER_01 25:07

And that in out of a place of like that brings a whole nother lens. So it's not bad to want to be great. It's wonderful to be want to be great. It's we don't we need to, I I feel like the Lord reminded me, and I shared this with you, I think yesterday, when we were writing, was that I I've had pressures before where I was like, man, I didn't do this perfectly, I didn't sing this perfectly. I didn't, and the Lord stopped me and he said, Well, good thing you're not the object of their worship. Yeah, I'm the object of their worship. You just help lead them to me. Yes, exactly. And I'm like, okay, well, that does take a certain element of pressure where the perfection thing can be demonic um oppression.

SPEAKER_04 25:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:46

But at the same time, to want to be good for the Lord, yes, to bring him the gift, not for the people, but for the Lord. For the Lord, that makes a huge difference because then it takes away like this element of laziness, yeah, where just like you're just showing up, playing the four chords, you're relying on the multi-tracks resources, multi-tracks resources. And you know what I'm saying? Like, but you but actually doing for the place of the king is worthy of the best offering that I can bring.

SPEAKER_06 26:16

Greatest. And and and and then uh unfortunately, we're not you know cutting lambs in half and doing all that stuff, but but we are unfortunately. But we are, man. Sometimes I wish we were, man, because it's like it's like we don't know how to sacrifice, but we don't know how to sacrifice. We I feel what you're about to say. We don't know how to like really get it in for the Lord. Like those people actually had to like do work, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, we don't want to give God 10 minutes of our time to read, wake up at 6 a.m. and read the Bible for 30 minutes, bro. Half the church ain't reading the Bible, you know what I mean? Like, I'm too busy, I got kids, I gotta wake up at 6 to do this, and that I gotta do this. God ain't asking for nothing but 30 minutes, you know what I mean? And it's like, you know, I I'm I'm in green rooms and people won't even pray out loud. I'm like, bro, you done you done had a whole 30-minute conversation. You will reverence me more than you reverence the Lord. Crazy. You won't pray out loud, but you'll talk to me for 30 minutes, man. Like, I'm not that tight. Okay, that's a good, that's a good thing. So it's like sometimes I really wish the Lord would like go old testament and you know, I wouldn't be here. I I would I would be the first dead person. But I'm just saying, man, I wish I wish that there was like some man, like But that's the case, right?

SPEAKER_05 27:33

The point is like, how do we get ourselves back to so like protecting altar is not just some catch for it's not just like, oh well, let's just let's just be clickbait or something. Like, it's this thing where we're so like sold out to that thing that's like, bro, like I want to offer God something. Like, why would you offer God something that doesn't cost you anything? Because he ain't striking us dead, man.

SPEAKER_06 27:53

He's letting it do it, man. Like, Grace, bro, people take advantage of grace. Like, in the old testament, we're talking about altars, right? Yeah, there were priests that went in to the tent, had bales attached to them, just to make sure that they was alive. Yeah, like we don't know. They could drag them out by the way. We don't know if this brother's living right, so we're gonna put a uh rope around your ankle to the biggest. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

How many priests, which you know, I I think a lot we're you know, we're all kings and priests. Exactly. We're all kings and priests, and now, so imagine us now. How many of us, if we were in that situation, would be drug out dead.

SPEAKER_06 28:32

That's what I'm saying, man. But it's like because of great, because of the grace of God, yeah. We don't have to go through that, but sometimes I'm like we need to fear the Lord. Yeah, that's it.

SPEAKER_01 28:42

We need it, man.

SPEAKER_06 28:43

We need it.

SPEAKER_01 28:44

All right, so is there someone to wrap this conversation up before we move to the next segment? Is there someone that stands out on your journey that's impacted your walk with God the most?

SPEAKER_06 28:53

Man, um you know, I I was crying at a dinner table the other night because I have a horrible relationship with my dad, and it's made me have a horrible relationship with men, and I've I've like had to, I don't trust men a lot, but I will give a shout out to uh uh a mentor of mine. His name is Tim in Dallas, him and his wife Tim, Tim and Cassidy. So hopefully he will see this at some point.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

Thank you so much. We're gonna move on to the next segment, which is Praise or Pass. We're gonna watch a viral video. We're gonna get your honest feedback and reaction in lifetime and see if you appraise it or pass it. Like, would you recommend that to be duplicated or this behavior to be continued in any church? Yeah, or would you pass it?

SPEAKER_06 29:38

Submit with submission and honor being the reference point. Yeah, yeah. I want to honor everybody. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

I called your house. You wouldn't, you wouldn't answer, I called your house, you wouldn't hear I call your house, you wouldn't hear you.

SPEAKER_00 30:26

Okay. So I don't know if you can see that, but the singers in the background, I don't think they were prepared for that little lyric change.

SPEAKER_06 30:34

So it's a black church, she was talking to somebody nodding. She was sure. No, I've been there. It definitely sounds like she got some beef with something. I done seen it happen in real time. She was definitely calling somebody I know. 100%.

SPEAKER_05 30:50

Has she in that thing?

SPEAKER_06 30:51

Yeah, I don't trust you. She said, but I saw that, but I trust the Lord. One of them men was trying to talk to her. Oh Lord Jesus.

SPEAKER_00 31:01

She's so weak right now. Hold on.

SPEAKER_06 31:03

And she said, I done caught you. I done caught you. I done called your house. Okay, you wouldn't answer. You wouldn't, yeah, you wouldn't answer. There's somebody else there.

SPEAKER_01 31:13

Oh, okay. All right, all right.

SPEAKER_05 31:16

Can we consider that a subliminal shot if the person was present?

SPEAKER_06 31:19

No, that was very not subliminal. That was a bit very personal. Because they all know who she was talking about. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:26

And that's why all the singers in the background were like, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:29

Oh she'd been stirring on that word all week. That's her heart, Jesus. Help her, bro.

SPEAKER_01 31:34

She, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 31:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:35

So would you praise her past that?

SPEAKER_06 31:37

Oh, for sure. Uh, past. But I like the boldness though.

SPEAKER_01 31:42

I like the boldness. I like the boldness. You see, that's an example of disrupting for the wrong kingdom.

SPEAKER_06 31:47

Oh, oh my god. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:49

Imagine that boldness with a fresh word of the Lord.

SPEAKER_06 31:51

With a fresh word of the Lord. Come on, let's go.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

And it's just like, what we doing? Like, what are we doing? Using our boldness for ourselves because we're offended with that guy.

SPEAKER_06 32:03

But you know what, though? That that is that is more overt, and there's so much stuff being under the rug when people are being personal like that. Yeah. That's good. You could correct her. Well, obviously she knew she was wrong. But you can't does she though?

SPEAKER_03 32:16

Maybe not. She probably don't.

SPEAKER_06 32:17

But you can't correct somebody that's not that overt, you know what I mean? Like the sneaking in the room. So I respect it.

SPEAKER_01 32:24

Yeah, I would rather it out in the open.

SPEAKER_06 32:26

I would rather it out in the open.

SPEAKER_01 32:27

Not on the stage, but like at least like in the green room. Like, hey, I'm dealing with anger.

SPEAKER_06 32:32

But she went back to it though.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

She went back to the but it wasn't for everybody to go on that journey with her.

SPEAKER_06 32:39

No, it wasn't.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Like that could have been a good prayer time song.

SPEAKER_06 32:41

But you know, that was an open confession.

SPEAKER_01 32:43

That was an open confession. That was. And I don't trust you.

SPEAKER_06 32:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:47

But I sought the Lord.

SPEAKER_06 32:49

It's because I called your house and you didn't answer. You didn't answer, so I can deal with that, low key. I want my worship leader to be that bold.

SPEAKER_01 32:57

I want them to be that bold.

SPEAKER_06 32:59

Just not on stage.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

No, on stage. But not about not but not in the sense against somebody in the audience.

SPEAKER_06 33:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:09

Like keep us focused on the Lord. Like be bold for the Lord. Like remind him.

SPEAKER_06 33:13

Because I'm out of the spirit. Right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

I want the T. I want to know exactly what you're looking at.

SPEAKER_06 33:19

I'm looking at Robert. Everybody's looking at Robert.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

Like that. Never mind.

SPEAKER_06 33:25

Oh. Never mind.

SPEAKER_01 33:26

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we pass that, but we praise her boldness. But we we want her to be a disruptor for the kingdom of God. Kingdom of God.

SPEAKER_04 33:35

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:35

All right. Nick's and last segment is frequently asked questions for worship teams, where they ask frequently asked questions, and we're going to ask you those questions so then you can respond. Okay. All right. All right. Frequently asked questions where we're going to ask him what a lot of worship teams want to know. They want to know you talked about earlier how to be great. You want to be great. You want to be the best musician in the room. Well, there are a lot of newer musicians. They they want to be great. So what is your what is your advice to them on how they can be great?

SPEAKER_06 34:10

Yeah, uh, hours, hours of practice. You know, um, we live in such an instantaneous world where like, oh, I see my favorite drum on Instagram. So I'm gonna go post on Instagram, and now I'm my favorite drum, you know, like now, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_01 34:27

Like now I'm my own favorite drum, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 34:28

We're we're equals, and it's just like, nah, that's not it. Like, I I I spent so much time. I was literally setting up drums for someone else to play.

SPEAKER_01 34:38

Wow. So we've almost lost that.

SPEAKER_06 34:41

We've lost mentee. I mean, we lost the art of like true discipleship, you know what I mean? And like you could be discipled into anything, like discipleship is not just like right unto the Lord, you could be discipled into anything, you know, and so but we've lost that like that that that discipleship training, yeah. And so I would say like don't don't rush too quick to like make it to post. Yeah, or or or to or to be a thing, like yeah, enjoy the journey and it's hard. It's just hard. It's hard in this society just to enjoy, you know, enjoy the process of where you are.

SPEAKER_01 35:21

That's really good. And it reminds me of the old testament on the rabbis and how like people who are getting trained under those rabbis, like they would they would cling, they would like follow, they would sit under their teaching, they honored them. Yeah, so there's this lack of honor for greatness.

SPEAKER_06 35:39

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

People just want the great part, they don't want the honor that leads to the greatness.

SPEAKER_06 35:44

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. They they don't want to submit and they don't want to honor that. And I think that's that's why the Lord is walking me through this season, you know. Hopefully, so I can I can teach others how to submit and how to honor well.

SPEAKER_01 35:55

That's good.

SPEAKER_05 35:56

Something you said, man, is kind of hitting me when you were saying, like, I was setting up drums, you know. And I'm thinking about the words of Jesus. Jesus is uh the greatest among you would be a servant of all. Man, right? You know, and that that that whole thing of like I want to be great is not bad. And then another thing I'm thinking too with that is you know, uh like you may feel like you're hidden or something right now because you're not out there, whatever the case may be. But like all your practices, your worst practice, your worst hour that you put into something, you know, uh you're gonna grow, right? Yeah, the repetition and and the constant, you're gonna grow. Absolutely. But all of that, man, is it's like the Lord sees it. So while you may be hidden from the eyes of man, you never hit it from the eyes of God, bro. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 36:46

You know what I mean? I mean, David was like slinging rocks at bears and lions and trees and stuff like that before he ever met Goliath, you know. Right. We want to go, we want to prematurely enter into a position that was never meant for us. That's at least the timing, you know. That's kind of at least the timing of it.

SPEAKER_01 37:04

Right, because it could be meant for us. Like the Lord could have said, You're gonna be great, you're gonna do this, like Abraham. But it was all about the timing of when Isaac was born.

SPEAKER_05 37:13

Be careful, like that person that too, that like you know what I'm saying, like you serving or that you growing with, that you don't let that thing turn into envy. Yeah, you know what I mean? Because you really don't understand sometimes, just because you're following something, or because you're serving somebody, you don't always understand what it costs for that person to be in that position. Yeah, and so a lot of people are like, bro, I want that, but bruh, if you had to walk in the in the shoes of that person, if you had to deal with the pain that that person had to deal with to carry the anointing on their life, bro, that thing might crumble you.

SPEAKER_06 37:43

Yeah, man. You know, uh this is about to be posted on social media, but social media is of the devil, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I feel you, it could definitely be used that way because it creates a lot of that, it's a demonic spirit, man.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

It's a demonic spirit. You left that for the last 40 seconds of the podcast. Okay, Gary.

SPEAKER_06 38:03

I'm just saying because it is all about me.

SPEAKER_01 38:06

Oh, so it can be. But I I think it's a tool.

SPEAKER_06 38:10

People try to disciple. There's no discipleship via social media. Uh, and and like there is there, you can get good advice, but discipleship ain't uh a 30-second clip.

SPEAKER_05 38:20

Discipleship without proximity is a fan club, bro.

SPEAKER_06 38:23

It's a fan club, man. But but Satan, he he got it, he got us. He got it. People go to church and never go to the church. I'm the I'm an online experience.

SPEAKER_01 38:35

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_06 38:36

Demonic.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

Right.

SPEAKER_06 38:38

Well, it is he wants you on your couch, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 38:40

Right, he wants you on your couch because that's literally not what the word of God says. Comfortable, convenient says to come together.

SPEAKER_06 38:45

Yeah, man. You have to get out of here. I'm about to go cut a lamb in half after this.

SPEAKER_01 38:51

And on that note, we thank you so much for joining this episode and just bringing a little disruption, you know, a little disruption, a little nugget there. The social social media is from the devil. You sound like my grandma. You sound like my grandma. Y'all will get along. Y'all will get along. She'll make, yeah, she'll make you some good food. All right. Well, we thank you so much for joining this episode of Protect the Altar podcast. Make sure you like, subscribe, share, do all the things, and join us next week for the next episode.

SPEAKER_02 39:21

Yeah.