GEOTRACKING CHRISTIANS?! | CRNRSTN Collective - Episode 25

In this episode, the host, J, along with co-hosts, Angus and Javan, discuss the new release on how Christians are being geotracked at their home churches and being given targeted ads for such. The trio also look at the recurring issues of symbolic images of satanism and evil spiritual worship seen in things like the Epstein files, now with confirmed connections to lots of government and congress officials in the US as well as Prince Andrew. They also look at some of the discoveries of biblical artifacts and locations by Ron Wyatt as well as some of the political shifts around the world targeting Christian influence and promoting Muslim ideology. The group also looks at the arrival of Seedance 2.0 and new innovations with AI by people like Elon Musk and looking at what they means for the future of cinema and business endeavors. They also review the implementation of drones and robotics with rideable racing drones, the CERN reactor in France, as well as the humanoid robot factories in California from Tesla. Lastly, the trio talks about the importance of walking with a commitment to Christ for everyone's future family and how perspective and dreams help shape the way you live your life.



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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Hello, friends. Welcome to the Cornerstone Collective. My name is Jay Brown. I'm your host. And with us today is Angus McLeod.

SPEAKER_03 0:06

Hey, hey.

SPEAKER_01 0:06

As well as Javen Corbin. Hello, hello. Brown. I guess you shouldn't go with the middle name, but that's all good. Hey, um, we are the intersection of Christ and culture talking about all these things that are interacting in our world and how we, as Christ followers, are navigating them. We talk about that through the lens of the seven C's. Those are seven C statements or categories of which we talk about. Those are commitment, community, communication, competence, creativity, compassion, and celebration. Today, talking about our commitment to Christ, we want to look at Colossians three, one and two. Angus, can you read this for us?

SPEAKER_03 0:36

Sure. If you have then been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your mind on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. Colossians three, one and two.

SPEAKER_01 0:50

Amen. So our perspective is called to be those who are thinking about heavenly things and about how we belong to the kingdom of God and acting in that way. So that's a powerful thing. Jumping off today, we want to talk about this idea of commitment to Christ. And it's really interesting because it is kind of an intersection between tech and faith, in that we see that there have been a lot of Christians who recently here in the United States have actually been targeted through geolocating on their devices as they go into churches on Sunday morning, as well as being targeted with ads specifically as well. Angus, you brought a little bit of this up to me about it. What's mean your kind of your take looking at it?

SPEAKER_03 1:28

Yeah, I was seeing it. It was very interesting. So the I the idea for people who don't have any uh concept of what it is is they'll they'll put a uh on a on the computer, they'll put like a a mark around the church. A geofence. A geofence, yeah. Thank you. Uh and so as soon as your phone crosses that line, it registers that now you're at a church. And then what happens is uh the Bluetooth start talking and and all the phones start talking, and uh what it does is it creates a map of basically your church and and your interactions. It shows how long you came and stayed and who you talked to and and all this kind of stuff. Um, why why people would need that? I don't know. Um, but it's it's very interesting that it's going on. Um, and it's it's one of those things that you know it could definitely have some uh nefarious purposes.

SPEAKER_01 2:17

That's true. And just to be clarified, this is not the churches doing that. It's not our church doing it or any other church that we've ever heard of doing this. This is technology companies that are tracking these things. This is maybe governmental agencies that are tracking these things. So similar to how like maybe a store would use the same kind of geofencing, targeting anybody who's in within their certain mileage that drives in there, and they might want to try to track them and and target them for ads. Similarly, they're doing that for Christfollowers by tracking them and seeing who they're connected to and who their networks are, etc. etc. That's a very interesting idea, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03 2:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

Jamin, you've kind of seen this thinking that you've been growing up in it, kind of native to the concepts. What's your thought process with this? Because it comes back to, you know, some of our privacy laws.

SPEAKER_00 2:59

Yeah, I mean, it's definitely it's definitely a big issue because I feel like as soon as you start tracking people's information, especially at somewhere where they feel like that they're supposed to that they're personally supposed to be safe at, then it gets a little bit dicey. But at the same time, I think by signing um just like the contracts or obligations that you have to like Apple or Google, you kind of consent to give that information away and they kind of get to do whatever they want with it. So like you kind of give and take. I know people are upset about it because like they feel like it's an invasion of their privacy, but at the same time, in order to use that, you kind of give up your privacy. So there's no real way around it unless you use like I don't know, like a really old um like Verizon phone or you use like a BlackBerry or something like that. If you really want to stay like off the grid. Um, but I don't know, I I don't really think there's any way around it. It's the same thing as like if you have digital cameras installed in your house for security reasons, right? They're still looking through your cameras and like looking at pretty much anything you're doing. And like even though Ring um is apparently supposed to draw back on like whatever they were doing with the Super Bowl, it's like the same thing. Like they'll be like, oh yeah, no, we're not gonna do that anymore. But it's like now they're just not telling the public that they're doing it. So I uh it's gonna happen either way. There's really not much that we can do about it unless people just try to go off the grid in general. But yeah, the fact that it's being targeted against Christians specifically is really interesting. I think like, especially because it feels like there's a a good presence growing of like Muslims that are coming into the country, especially with like news that we hear about um things related to like Somalia or in New York and things like that. So I'm surprised that they're doing it for Christians specifically. I think I don't know. That's pretty sure. I'm not so certain that they are.

SPEAKER_01 4:39

I think what they're using is that I think that has been revealed somehow in the marketing. And someone who's probably a Christ follower was like, wait, why are we being targeted this way? I I'm definitely assured that they're also doing that to mosques on Friday or you know, one of the days that they're going. I'm assuming they're doing it to them as well. Interestingly, we've seen this as well. People are using that geofencing, geolocating kind of things. People that are crossing to those fences into places like churches or into places like mosques, they will then be targeted with ads. So I know like um pro-Israel groups in the United States have taken out ads to target Christ followers to be pro-Israel. Similarly, those who are going to mosques have been targeted for pro-Palestine and other places that they might go where they would say, well, maybe this person's more left-leaning because they support this place, this location. So if they cross into that, suddenly they're going to trigger those. And essentially what you watch then triggers to the people in your circle to also see it as well. So that's why they're trying to do some of these kind of things. And it's very insightful because it shows, like, you know, where you're being fed this stuff. It kind of goes back to that documentary that talks about our involvement with social media. We were just having the conversation off air, talking about the very concept of uh, you know, what kind of impact we want for our children and what and when we uh want them to be allowed to do some of these things like participate in social media. Obviously, we know that teenagers forever have been using social media, they'll lie to use it. So they increase the age of 16, they'll you know they're 13, they say they're 16. They can change the date, it's not very hard. You don't have to validate with ID or anything like that. So, because of that reason, it makes it really hard for for you to kind of enforce any of those rules. And if because it's not just adults only, then that's whenever predators or other people can get involved, or people with nefarious uh perspectives to try to do something towards someone who would be otherwise unknowing. So it's interesting from a Christ follower perspective to see that we're being targeted in this way. We know that uh under previous administrations in the United States, it was proven out. I know um Mark Zuckerberg talked about it from Facebook perspective that you know the the Biden administration was very much um they were they were being those who were shadow banning people, they were blocking with their content, they were very much trying to control the narrative and pushing these other narratives. And Facebook, because they wanted to function, they went along with what the people said. And now that they that that person's not not over them anymore in control, they start being very vocal about what's going on. And it was insightful to hear that because you're like, Well, I thought you were in control. And they're like, uh-uh. Yeah, there's like a level above us. So there is a piece of that with our thinking about our commitment to Christ, where it's like, hey, listen, there will be some of those who target you because of your faith in Christ. So I think it gives us all more reason why we do what we do with life groups, because we're meeting not just here at the church location, but throughout the week, throughout the city with other people. And you can go and connect with people wherever they are one-on-one. You can do it on Zoom, you can do it, other things. And so there's a piece of that where it's like, you know, in the future, they might try to clamp down on us like collectively meeting in one place corporately, but they have a real hard time stopping the church from going forward because it's our belief and not just some kind of organized religion. Yeah, it's who we are as people, living this out as a community of faith. So the Lord help us navigate it.

SPEAKER_03 7:48

Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 7:50

Uh fun topics, the Epstein files, more good stuff, and by good I mean absolutely horrible and terrible things that are coming out of the Epstein files. Um, we have seen um a recent laptop that was cracked that was found um connected to the Epstein Files, and it was really in association to some of what has been reported as child trafficking or even uh human meat to use that term, which is a terrible term, um, for cannibalism and some of the organ processing stuff, and how there are names and emails on a list that have essentially come out recently, and they're saying that there are reportedly 17 members of Congress, four Hollywood A-list people, three Silicon Valley founders, two Wall Street hedge fund managers, and a former NATO Secretary General that are all on this list connected in some way to either organ trafficking, child something or other. I don't know if what exactly is all this is up to, but man, what a scary thing to see all these people in these high profile places, high um power places to be connected even theoretically to this stuff. Super scary.

SPEAKER_03 9:00

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 9:01

What's been your take on it?

SPEAKER_03 9:03

Uh well, first I think I think that it's really easy to get uh wrapped up in the emotions and and everything. I think it's important that we remember that all of the people wrapped up in this, they all need Jesus just as much as people who aren't committing these uh atrocities, you know, because it could be through and so I I'm still praying for the salvation of these people because you know it it's as some of these come to Christ that maybe we get some whistleblowers and and things like that. Uh because we know ultimately none of them will get away with it. And and we all we want to see justice and and we all want vengeance for these people uh to some degree here on earth.

SPEAKER_04 9:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 9:42

And so I'm just praying, Lord, that that your will be done here on earth as it would be in heaven, because that's the only way I can I I can really pray about this. Um because if I pray the way I want to, right, uh I'm praying vengeance.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Yeah, sure. You know, and yeah, because you're motivated out of how you feel protection as a father, yeah, all the reasons why you'd feel that way.

SPEAKER_03 10:02

And it's really hard. And so I think that just by praying for for these people to come to an understanding of of what it is that they're doing, and that the Lord would just uh begin to to turn these people uh and and turn their hearts back to him, um, you know, that doesn't mean that they won't face justice here on earth. As they should. Um, but you know, that's that's really where I'm trying to to keep myself in that pocket of I I I need to be prayerful about this and that the Lord's will would be done.

SPEAKER_01 10:30

Absolutely. Javen, you've seen a lot of this Epstein stuff's been coming across the way. What do you think about are you surprised at all that this kind of this kind of tier of people are are accounted for or essentially suggested to be connected to the Epstein files?

SPEAKER_00 10:42

I mean, no, not really, because in order for anything like what Epstein was doing to go on, you definitely need people in those places that are able to orchestrate all that stuff. Right. So the fact that this is coming out is just kind of like putting names to everybody that's been behind it. But anybody that's really followed this since like it was first reported about like Epstein's human trafficking back in, I think it was 2019 when like he was taken to prison, right? Before he died. Um Theoretically died, yeah. I say died, yeah, yeah, yeah. In quotation marks. But um, yeah, it's just been it's been very interesting. And I mean, like we know biblically that because Satan is the prince of this world, that inevitably there is darkness to some degree of it of essentially everything behind a domain that claims to be like focused on the goodness of people and things like that. Like there will be infiltration of darkness to every capacity. And we understand that I mean, obviously not every human is perfect, but there are certainly people, and it just tends to be a more elite group of people that are worshiping and revolving everything they do around Satan. And I mean, yes, we pray for these people, and yes, we obviously want them to come to Christ because everybody deserves a chance at that fairly, because no man is without blemish, um, and everybody deserves a chance at that grace, but at the same time, we need to figure out a line as to kind of where we're willing to step in for justice, because a lot of what's going on now is all just talk. Everybody's like, oh my gosh, this is terrible. Oh my gosh, we need like retribution for this, but then nobody's actually doing anything. So I don't know. I think over the next like few months, few years, um, we need to see like actual political action for something taken like this because I mean there's it's literally like undeniable as to the amount of evidence there is for this stuff, and yet we've still seen no trials, we've seen no real like around criminal charges, yeah, anything for anybody. It's all just kind of like, oh yeah, oh my gosh, no way that's going on. And then everybody just moves on.

SPEAKER_01 12:32

Yeah, and that's part of the scary part. You know, you see like the FBI director saying, Oh, we don't have any actionable intelligence in the past. He was saying this, and we're like, wait, are you reading the same documents we're reading? Because we see lots of actionable intelligence here, lots of people gone to prison for less. So let the j let the jury decide, you know what I mean? Present the evidence, let the jury decide. And so it's really interesting in that way because we're like, man, you know, we want the truth to come out, we want justice to be served. We do and can and should pray for every person to have repentance in their heart and have that opportunity to Angus's point. That's a very good point. But as well as the tension of the justice that needs to come so that these things can be stopped, and so that those who have done these things have to pay for what they did. Yeah. And it's terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible. One of the people that's been connected to Debsteen Files is Prince Andrew out of the royal family. And he, once he kind of was attached to it, they stripped him of his title formally, even though everybody still calls him Prince Andrew because of what he was before. Um, but he essentially was kind of put on house arrest and some other things, and they eventually moved him out of uh Buckingham Palace and to some other estate somewhere. Now he's been removed from that as well, and the stipend that was there for him. So very interesting. Um, on his birthday recently in the past week or two, uh, he was actually arrested for his participation in what was released in the Epstein Files, and actually they went and arrested him in the middle of what he was headed to do. And there was this picture that the paparazzi got kind of threw the front windshield into the back, and he looked absolutely shell-shocked. He's kind of leaning back, it's a famous picture. Well, the it's interesting about that is people took that picture, then they went and they printed that picture out in like a pretty good size. They framed it, and then activists went into the Louvre and hung it in the Louvre like it was a piece of art with a P with a little a little plaque underneath beneath it and said who it was and everything else. It's very interesting because people are not letting this go, man. They're like, no, we need to see exactly what you said, some justice for this stuff. Are you guys surprised at all that people would be gutsy enough to do that kind of thing?

SPEAKER_03 14:35

No, not at all. In fact, you know, I hope that um that we do see some movement, you know, um in this so that so that people at least question whether or not they should engage in that sort of behavior. Yeah. You know, uh, but it's it's wild to think that somebody hung. I I ended up laughing at first, uh, and then I realized, man, but the the reason for it is is so dark.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 15:00

You know. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

We know like Banksy, kind of the the street artists that hung stuff in the Louvre in the past or in other, you know, uh famous places, kind of modified art or things that were very like avant-garde, and they've gone and gone and doing that and put put stuff up and made it match everything, and that's what these guys did too. You know, obviously we know about the Louvre robbery where they used a uh a mover to get up to the level and then cut in there with an angle iron and then cut in and steal jewels. So people are taking stuff out, people are putting stuff in. So it's an exchange at this point in the Louvre. So really crazy. We've obviously having lived in Paris, we've talked about this narrative in the past, but having lived in Paris, Javen having grown up there when he was a little kid. Um, I've spent lots and lots of time in the Louvre, taking lots of people to see the Mona Lisa, uh, walked through that thing in circles and uh an amazing place, a huge place. And there is a lot of security, but most of it is in getting into and then kind of the separate areas that kind of keep make sure that everything's going the same direction. That was kind of the response of what people were like. How could they break in here and be by the jewels? Like, well, it's safe all the way up to here. They're not thinking you're coming in through the window.

SPEAKER_04 16:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

So that's why there wasn't like armed guards right on top of the jewels. Well, similarly to this, like they can go and find a way, a space to go and get in there. So interesting for sure. Um, you know, it makes me kind of think about this the response to this, and I think more and more of this is gonna happen as people really have to come and pay for what they did as far as connection to in in Andrew's case, his connection to underage girls, and and obviously a lot, a lot of evidence that showed him directly connected to them where he had said that he had no connection to it before, and obviously was seen as not true. There's even been reports recently, which I saw an interview with a police officer who was there at Buckingham Palace for years and years. He talked about the process by which people would come in and out of Buckingham Palace, and how they had like a whole front kind of a reception area that you had to go through one set of police, and then there was a secondary set of police that allowed you into the residence. And how um Gislaine Maxwell essentially had carte blanche to come in and out to come see Prince Andrew. He had a door that was not too far away from where they had to enter the secondary area, and they essentially said, Don't put her name on the log, she can come and go she wants. Which is dun dun dun super sketchy. So yeah, not happy about that, but good to see that some people are finding the justice of what we were just talking about.

SPEAKER_04 17:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:17

Interesting as we talk about faith is that we see Vladimir Putin was weighing in on the assassination of Charlie Kirk. Now, Charlie Kirk being someone who professed Jesus very much about the things of Jesus, convincing people and having having um uh just having debate with people about what it means to be someone who believes in Christ and a lot of other political things as well. Obviously, that's what he's known for. But as his assassination, Putin actually is attributed to say that the Charlie Kirk assassination was an atrocity and that he stood for defending the values for which he died. And they were like, that's a huge deal for someone who is kind of like a political frenemy of ours to be saying these kind of things in in alignment similar to what you'd hear from from the president Donald Trump. And so similar to hear that, I was like, this is interesting because we've they you know, obviously the f the war in Ukraine, we're funding Ukraine's weapons, they're fighting against Russia, and simultaneously you have Russia who's aligning with some of these statements and and things. It's very insightful. What do you guys think about that? Yeah, you have that.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Oh, I was just gonna say it's the right message, wrong messenger. I mean, Vladimir Putin has put a ton of people on the ground. Whether or not he did it directly is like but the KGB is carried out some of the things that I'm gonna do. We're gonna say theoretically. Theoretically, no, but I mean I mean, still, dude, like it's I understand what he's trying to do as far as like make a statement for political activism and the fact that because America preaches to be so open and accepting of everybody that we should be willing to like hear people out and not murder people for their beliefs. Correct. I understand that from um from like a political standpoint, but it's also like the kind of authoritarian regime that he's established over there kind of does like the exact opposite. If there's anybody that really wants to run against Putin or his administration, if you will, right, then they're just taken out. Yeah, exactly. Like I think he's won certain presidential votes by like over a hundred percent, which is like it it's I don't know. Amen. You know, Kim Jong-un, he just got re-elected.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

Yeah, and he had a hundred percent of the vote.

SPEAKER_00 19:22

Yeah, and I've also mainly because no one can run against him. Yeah, exactly. And there's also been statements like of Kim Jong-un coming out against like the um the uh evils that um some of the Zionist leaders like in Israel have done as far as like some of the statements that they've come out and said against like um against specific people and also like what they've funded in the past. And it's interesting because you have these eastern leaders that at least from like a western perspective are always supposed to be like the bad guy, right? But you find that kind of as you study, there's no real like bad guy. Everybody just kind of always advocates for their their country as much as they think. They're all bad guys, yeah, exactly. But it's it's like everything's pushed through nationalism. So it's it's very interesting that they feel an obligation to come out and say this. I don't necessarily think he really has any reason to do so, other than I mean if he feels some real conviction in his heart, I don't uh then I mean maybe that's a stepping process, but that'd be amazing. Yeah, I've seen him do like um participate in in uh like certain orthodox procedures that they do. Like they do something, I think to mark the beginning of Lent in Russia, there's like certain Eastern Orthodox that will go into like a freezing cold lake. I think it's like negative five degrees, they walk down and then they like fully dunk themselves. Kind of a baptism kind of moment. Almost, but it's more like I I think it's just like to mark the whatever. Like I'm not sure. I think it's more culturally traditional. Polar bear club? Yeah, I I have no clue. But I I mean, like in um in but you're saying in Russia he's participating in. Yeah, like he's participating in that with Orthodox priests like around him, like which is something because he's not known to be a person of faith at all. Yeah, absolutely. So, but I mean, once again, it's more a question of whether he's doing this to appease like the culture of the Russians and like who are so rooted within Orthodoxy. Um, but I don't know, man. It's just like anytime I really hear like a bunch of these statements about them criticizing each other, it's kind of funny because it's like you kind of need to take a look in the mirror and then like reevaluate.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

The messenger's a big deal. Yeah, it's a great point, actually. Yeah, Angus, any any perspective on it?

SPEAKER_03 21:23

Well, I think uh one of the things about Putin is uh from what I know is he doesn't really feel that he needs to put on a show for anybody. Like this is who who I am. Like he doesn't feel the need to play politics and all that. It's like, no, this is Russia and this is what we're gonna do. Yeah, um, and so I think that when he comes out and makes different statements like this, because uh you know I've seen the videos and stuff that you were talking about, he's he is very conservative, yeah. You know, and and so our our view of conservatism may be different in the way you know we walk things out, but um, but the thing when He says these things, I I don't really see a lot of political agenda behind them. You know, I mean he's uh while he's masterful in in the way he calculates and what what does he gain by this? This kind of a statement, you know, in chess, why move upon if you don't need to move upon? You know, and so with something like this, I think that it should be taken at face value for for what it is and and recognize that um he he sees something.

SPEAKER_01 22:30

Yeah, that's interesting. It made me it made me it sparked my interest enough to talk about it today because I was just like, man, it's very interesting to see this shift in him at least talking about these things of ethics and value, because that's never really been about it. It's been about more about country and about the people and about opportunity for them, much like any politician would say about their area and about their people. You know, his story as a hard man, like as a as a hard-cased guy, a tough guy that's done, you know, stuff for his country, but under the previous regime of the USSR, and then coming out of that system into the new Russia, and then obviously moving through its ranks to become the president and you know, all the things the prime minister then back to presidency. And so really interesting to see what that looks like, how that will unfold. And it's very strange to have people that are saying these things from an outside perspective. You're like, wait, how do I agree with you? You know what I mean? Like, uh that's interesting. You know what I mean? That they would say these certain things. So, yeah, to your point, it is very interesting, but you do need to look at the messenger and see the continuity of character and their own actions in alignment with what they're saying now, which could be said of all of our politicians as well. Oh, absolutely. You know, which ours are way more across the board. They're very much like, say this and then say the exact opposite. And you see so many examples of that. That is one thing I do appreciate about a current president, though I don't agree with everything he says. I do appreciate that he's a guy who just says it. Like he just says stuff, and you're like, you don't have to kind of worry about what he's thinking, you know what he's thinking. Yeah, he's gonna tell you on here or Twitter or or otherwise. Yeah, so really interesting as far as the concept goes. But uh, one of the other things that we've been looking at recently and this idea of commitment to Christ is that there have been so many documents uh that have come unveiled of guys that are gone in and found the biblical discoveries and finding them even now in ref in reference to the past. So one of the people that's done this a lot is Ron Wyatt. You've seen him, and he's had a lot of Bible kind of documentaries or following the paths of different things. I've watched a bunch of them on YouTube. It's really cool because he goes and does all these different kind of archaeologist pieces and shows you all these old documents and finds all these old things, and he'll go through the countries and talk. Man, I've seen I watched one last week where he was going in, it's like took all this time for them to go to the right place, and then they tried to go and follow some of the path of Abraham, and as they got there, they had to double back like hours and hours and hours by car because they weren't allowed to go into that next country that way. They'd double back and drive around, and so it's like really interesting because they're driving right through the Middle East, like in cars with you know, they're paid guards and all sorts stuff. Because I mean, it was dangerous, man. Yeah, you're out here doing it, but they have found really interesting things. So they found uh in Turkey, they found what they feel is the remains of Noah's Ark, which we've all kind of seen that it's been out for a long time, but they're doing more and more scans nowadays to see that it is very likely that this is actually a wooden structure that's actually there on top of Mount Alrat, and kind of what that looks like. Um, they have also, and his his opinion always has been that the Sinai that we talk about with Moses is not actually the Sinai that we think of is the peninsula of the Sinai in Egypt, but actually is in Saudi Arabia. And that's long been a contentious kind of agreement or disagreement. Now, to us in Christendom, some people are very much about location, meaning like this location is very sacred and therefore needs to have something. So there's a St. Catherine's monastery that's actually in the Sinai, and now there's others that are there, I think that's the name of it, that's been there for a very, very long time. It goes back to Constantine's mother, who went on on tour and was looking for things, and so they kind of like, well, this is where it is because they didn't have control in Saudi at the time. So whether or not it is actually in Egypt, or if it is actually in Saudi, it's very interesting to kind of dialogue and debate those things. As we lived in Egypt and have been to Sinai, uh, it makes more sense to me that it's actually the mountain that's in in Saudi Arabia. And the reason is just based on the accounts of where they crossed and how that worked, and then even how those things came about, it makes a lot more sense in the narrative if you've actually been there to be like, well, this makes more sense if it's actually over here in Saudi. And so the mountain that he thinks it is, the whole top of it is already charred, it's all black, which is really interesting. And it's like, well, see how the discoloration in these rocks and has all these things, and then you see not too far away, that's you know, there's depictions with drawings for what they assume would be what where they place where they put the golden calf, the the other pieces where they struck where the str the rock was struck, it's a big, massive rock with a big split down the middle. All this erosion from what was shown is like continuous flowing water, though it doesn't have a source of water within the rock. So that's all very interesting. It goes right in alignment with the with the Bible's depiction of what a Christ follower would believe about the narrative of Moses and the children of Israel coming out and then wandering around in the desert, the Saudi desert, for 40 years. Yeah, so very interesting. You've seen some of the stuff?

SPEAKER_03 27:17

Yeah, I I have. In fact, I saw I saw it as well. Um, I think it's really cool. Um, and I really hope that there's more uh more research that goes into these areas and that more is done to either confirm or or disprove one way or the other. I I hope it's more of a confirmation. And I think um from the pictures that I've seen, and uh it's I I've seen some of these pictures over time, so it's not like it's a recent AI generated thing, and you know, um, but some of them are very compelling pictures, and um it makes just as much sense as any of the other suggestions. Um so I would really love to see more uh more people study and and really get some some real answers. Uh, I think that as these things are confirmed, it really just gives more validity to what the Bible has to say.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Yeah, absolutely. Uh one of the other things that they found, which is really interesting on the documentary I saw, was they found these sulfur balls at Sodom and Gomorrah where they're still some of the sulfur balls are still intact, and you can they were picking them up and if they're all about the ace size, and you could you could just put a flame to them, they instantaneously go on fire and melt. And you're like, that's really interesting. Because it just shows that they're you know, other people were saying, Oh, yeah, there is destruction at this place called Sodom and Gomorrah that everybody historically said was there. You know, people who are not of faith don't you know attribute it to a miracle, so or you know, judgment of God. They, you know, we see it's like firing down in judgment. Well, from their perspective, like, oh, maybe there was like an earthquake and then there was also like some kind of an eruption. It's like, you know, they're trying to put it all together and make sense. They don't really have a reason of why the sulfur would have came out of nowhere, they don't know where it comes from, why it's there on the ground. It doesn't make sense in any way, but it's there, it's in the mud even today, where they're walking over, finding it's literally everywhere.

SPEAKER_00 28:58

Yeah, wow.

SPEAKER_01 28:59

So really, really interesting. Obviously, it's not where you would plant a city, is in the middle of a sulfur field. So it doesn't make sense it would be there before. So there's a lot of things that kind of do give you a line, you know, that lines up with the the the biblical perspective. Jabin, you've seen any of these things with uh Ron Wett?

SPEAKER_00 29:14

Uh I have. I've seen the the Sinai thing because they I think they walked through it was like a geographical explanation for why it would be the one in Saudi, and it made more sense to me based off like kind of what you were talking about earlier that the it that everything like surrounding the Saudi location is much more in alignment with what is said in scripture about like the events that took place. Yes. Whereas the Sinai that everybody attributes to, which is much closer to Israel, is um is is does not match the description nearly as closely present day than the other one does. So I think, yeah, for that aspect, it probably is the one in Saudi. Um I've also seen things about like Ark of the Covenant and about where they like think the actual lying place of it is. I've heard a bunch of different claims. I know like churches have claimed that they've had it forever, that it's like over in the Vatican. That's what they'll always say. Ethiopia. Yeah, Ethiopia is interesting because I think to some degree they actually do have like a lot of validity to their claims if they can trace it correctly, because they claim to have the ark being given to them from King Solomon that he had a son with, I think it was the queen of Sheba, is is who like the biblical figure is that's not mentioned a lot in the Bible, but throughout Ethiopian mythology and also I think in the Quran, she has like a whole chapter about her, which is pretty interesting. Okay. Um, but she's like a really important political figure at that time back then, and just because she was a queen of the area at that time, which is super uncommon, right? And her land was super prosperous. So they think that one of Solomon's sons might have like had or gotten the ark back. Now, this is obviously like within their exactly, but I mean a bunch of like civilizations and things will tend to do that, but it's the fact that they can trace their lineage and their early Christian roots to all these places, and it's just right there. So it's also like, oh, they might they might have something like real here, authentic about their claim. So it is interesting to think about as far as like where the ark actually sits. Yeah, um, kind of like what we were talking about last podcast with Gilgamesh about like all these things that actually have been there forever that are finally just being unveiled. It's like I wonder if it ever does, if the ark will like actually ever come up.

SPEAKER_01 31:22

Yeah, I've seen arguments for the other side of that too, saying that actually Israel has had it for a long time and they have it there. I've heard America has it, you know, like very much like along with the Indiana Jones narrative, the you know, the movie uh plot. Um, not necessarily in that way, but in the idea that we somehow came across it. Also heard, you know, that some people theorize that actually Saudi has it, and it's actually inside the black box that everybody goes around at at uh at Hajj and that that's actually connected to that concept. Um, none of those things obviously have been validated or even claimed by um by Islam, but it is one of those things where you're like, okay, this is interesting because this was a thing, a physical representation, obviously written about it, and more than just in the biblical narrative. But it is one of those things where it's like we we're not sure modern day, you know, common knowledge, no one knows where it's at. Yeah, yeah. Or else it would be one of these things that everybody would want to go see, myself included. Okay. You know, I'm like, I want to go. Let's go, let's take a look at this box, baby. I want to go, you know. Yeah. So it'd be really interesting to see what that looks like, how that's gonna work out in the future. But yeah, you know, um, we know that it talks about how, you know, those sacrifices and those things will come back online at some point in the future in Israel. And so it would one would only make the assumption that also the Ark of the Covenant would be there at the Temple Mount in Restored Temple in order for those things to happen. So we'll see what happens to that. One of the Christian um podcasters is kind of talking about things is a guy named John Rush. And he's actually uh was talking about this content idea that's saying, hey, Christian content creators, um, they should actually be someone who's connected to a local church. And he was saying because if they're not, then they are they're in no way someone that you can validate who they are, what they believe, where they're at, and so they're very nebulous. So they have no actual authority because they're not under authority and not in any way connected to anybody who is proven in the create in the in the Christian space. What's your take on that?

SPEAKER_00 33:18

I mean, I I think that statement is very loaded within and of itself because you ask a lot of different Christians about that and you'll get a lot of different perspectives. Like, because so many of like the Christians in the uh in the big kind of virtual space that are really popular right now are Protestant, a lot of Orthodox and Catholic people would tell you that unless they do all this under the authority of a priest, then they're not they're spreading like a heretic gospel. Right.

SPEAKER_01 33:42

Um and then and vice versa, Protestants to Catholics.

SPEAKER_00 33:45

Well, yeah, and so it's all it's all kind of a mess there. But as far as like um kind of to his point, I do understand where he's coming from and saying that if you're not root fully tied to like your local church, or at least to a church that is like close to where you live, like most of the year or something like that, then it doesn't really make sense for you to come out and be making all these claims about like what people should do, what they should follow, because you yourself aren't really attached to a definitive body. Um, but at the same time, it also kind of like begs the question because we read about uh because in some way they're almost acting like missionaries, but I do understand what he means about having like a home base because most of the popular speakers that we see, like um like Bryce Crawford or like uh Cliff and Stuart connectedly will fly out a lot and be at like a bunch of different events, like speaking and doing things like that. And I'm pretty sure they do have home churches. I know like uh Cliff himself is a pastor, and I think Stuart is also a pastor. So for that for that aspect it makes sense because they just kind of fly out like during the week and then come back on the weekends. But yeah, as far as like for him to make that claim is is definitely true because I think unless you really tie into a body, then you're kind of just almost acting as your own priest because you kind of just get to interpret the words of scripture however you want and then tell people how to live when you yourself aren't really engaging with the body of Christ in partaking in sacrament or in doing any of that thing. So like living in the community of faith, exactly. I mean, that's what we're called to do, that's why we established a church in the first place. So it's like I I think his main concern with it is the fact that it's more it takes the approach of like, oh, it's my relationship with God. So then I should the divine inspiration that's given to me should be able to be applied to you in your situation, but I'm called to a different role. And I think that kind of assumes something over a mantle of priesthood or or like a pastoral calling within the mind of some people, right? So that's why it gets kind of dangerous to elevate yourself to that position. So I understand where he's coming from, and I definitely agree with what he's saying.

SPEAKER_01 35:50

Whereas I would say a lot of people, you know, in order to become a pastor, you have to come in through some kind of thought process of becoming ordained for that process. In our case, it's a three-tiered system within the assemblies of God, which our church is a a part of the fellowship there, where you come in and you get your certified level, you get a licensing level, and each one of those has incremental learning and now mentorship that's involved in it. And then you go and you have to wait two years and get to go to in order to get your ordination. Some places within the structure of the of the of the place will not allow you to serve in in certain roles unless you're ordained. Some places won't allow you to lead a church unless you're ordained, so not just the basic level stuff. Now you can marry people, you can do a bunch of other things with your first levels or credentials. Um, but they, you know, you're working up towards it. So the point is, you know, if you're just on the line and just like as a Christ follower, just saying stuff, which is good. I mean, using your testimony is really powerful, but when you start to get in the teaching side of something, people are like, okay, I want to know who you're connected to. Like, I want to know who taught you this. Like, where is this coming from? Like, what's what theology of school did you go to? Are you someone that's out of here? Are you out of there? Like, where are you connected to? Who is speaking into your life that you learned this from? And I think that's kind of his point is that once you're tied to something or grounded to something, people have a better understanding of who you are and what your what your perspective is, your worldview. And so that was my conversation so often with friends who were kind of coming out, especially in my early 20s. Uh had several people who were like, they they saw us as missionaries going and traveling and speaking and fundraising. And I told them, listen, yeah, we are doing those things, but we are backed by this organization who says that because we had to apply and walk through all those tiers and do all these interviews, etc. etc. to get green lit to say yes, we can be someone who goes out underneath this name within this organization to do these things. That's what opened the door for us is that opportunity. Now we had to go make those connections ourselves. We had you know the partnerships all person to person, nobody's making you do anything. Nobody you nobody um you know, nobody has to do that. Like you don't deserve it, you know what I mean? So nobody owes you, but it is one of those things where it does validate who you are. Now that's the question I think he's trying to get to is like, hey, without doing that, you're just out on your own doing whatever, and there's no community of faith you're tied to, there's no other thing, so there's no tether for you back to anything. So you can go way, way off and lead a whole bunch of people astray if you're not careful. So Angus, what do you think, man?

SPEAKER_03 38:08

I I agree with everything that that uh that you're saying and that that you guys are saying. Um, I think that it's really important for for everybody really in in the space uh in the kingdom space to have somebody over them, you know, because as a pastor, I still have you as my pastor. You know, even though you're the pastor of this church, you still have people that you've given us. I'm sure Jeff is my pastor, right? Yeah, to to speak into your life and and counselors and things like that. And so if if you're uh an influencer like that and you don't have somebody to to um to speak into your life and bring correction and uh and things like that, because um you know it's very easy to see, especially once you get on um uh on social media, it's very easy to get to see one through one lens. That's right, yeah. You know, and if you start speaking to through one lens, you can hurt a lot of people. Yeah. Um, and you can do a lot more damage. And if you've got nobody um to to speak into you, you know, you end up with some of these people who are kind of a bull at a bull in a china shop, you know, because there are some people who are so spiritually fragile that they're looking for something. And if they if they hear a 30-second sound bite from you that answers that one question, but all the rest of your stuff kind of leads them in a in a poor direction, uh, and and they've got nobody, you know, there's no recourse. There's no way to stop that from continuing to happen. And so I think it is really important. Um, it it's kind of like um, you know, when you first start dating somebody and they say that they're a Christian. Well, ask them what their testimony is, yeah, because that's a that's a sorting question. When you go to church, exactly. I know there've been a lot of people that I I love the things that they say, and then you go and you you take a look at their their page to get more of that same stuff, and it's like, oh, that that was definitely a one-off. Right. Like, and that was a that was an outlier in their their thought process. Right. And so there are people too that um they may align with you on one topic um scripturally or whatever, but their theology is way off base. And if you accept their their methodology of of thinking and teaching based off of that one nugget that they gave you, you could be in a world of hurt. And um, you know, and so I think that it's we need to be very cautious of who we allow into our lives, but also when we see people who are untethered, just say, hey, you know, who are you connected to?

SPEAKER_01 40:35

Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I I I agree with you. I think John, in his point and asking that question, was um, he gave an example of Forrest Frank. And Forrest Frank is like a you know, someone who's obviously an artist, and he was like, you know, I didn't know who Forrest was, I didn't know where he was coming from. His stuff's pretty, you know, upbeat and encouraging in a general sense. He's like, but I really liked whenever he was saying, Hey, I was going through this tough time, I went and met with my pastor, and he started in whenever Forrest was saying this guy saying this testimony of his own life. Now we don't know Forrest Pastor, I don't even know who who what church he goes to, but the point was the fact that he is connected, even though he's an artist traveling around and stuff, he's connected back to home church. Man, so powerful. You know, you and I, uh Angus and I, we we gotta go and be a part of an art conference uh back. We've been to a couple of ARC events and in going to these different places. Some of those guys have become names. Some of those guys are really big artists now, and we get to see them kind of in their home church whenever they're serving right there locally, and that's really powerful, man. You're like, oh, I know you're connected to. Yeah, you're connected right here. You know what I mean? Or you're connected to this, these guys. And that's been very helpful because then you understand kind of their worldview and where they're coming from.

SPEAKER_03 41:37

Well, and we tend to have this view in America that we once you get to a certain point, you you answer to no one. Right. You know, and so there's this this so a lot of people have that as the goal to get to the top where they no longer have to answer. Right. Uh, some people that only comes with age, you know, not until you're 80, you know. Uh but for other people that's what they're searching for is to be able to get to that place. And um, and that's a dangerous place to be when you've got nobody to check you.

SPEAKER_01 42:02

That's true. And I think that is the shift that you see so often between young people and older people as they get older, is that as people go in their seniority and control over their own life, maybe they own their own business, they own their own things, they can dictate their own time, they understand the trading their time for value or effort or whatever that is, and the and all those other pieces, well then the people that are in politics are the people that are lording over them because they can control them still. And so then they start to really care about things like politics. And so it's interesting how you know, if a person is not geared in faith, then politics becomes their faith. And identity in a political party becomes their religion. And so we've seen that so many times. So I think it is important who you're connected with and how you're living that life out. So the Lord help each one of us to be a model of what that is. One of the sad things that we've seen recently, and talking about our commitment to Christ, has been there has been a a surge of arson against churches in the UK. In fact, it's reported that there is even a hundred and fifty churches that have been set on fire in this past year, which is heartbreaking to hear. And a lot of it's been done by radical people who are against Christianity, and especially in the surge of that within places like London or the greater populations where a lot of these churches have been set on fire. But it's really, really sad. Similarly, um, a church recently in Montreal was also one of the oldest churches in Canada was also set on fire and burnt. It was a very massive church, and it it's pr looks like it's probably a total loss. And I mean, what a heartbreaking thing. It reminds me very much of what happened in Notre Dame whenever it was set on fire. And I remember now I haven't been back, though I've been to France uh since then recently. Um I I got a chance to go and be there this last October just for a day in and out of Paris. You know, I get to see the get to see Notre Dame from a distance and see it and like man restored was great. I spent so many times going and taking people into Notre Dame. And to think about the rose windows and all that stuff melted away. So sad, man, it just breaks my heart when I've the fires going on back when it was burning. I was like, oh no. And they did a great job to restore it and all the other efforts that they put towards that. But that kind of effort is not happening in these other places. These this is just going to be a loss. And I don't don't know if it's the people are trying to do this intentionally because they're trying to burn down the influence in those areas or what. But I it's one of those things that really broke my heart when I heard that that over a hundred churches, 150 churches have been burned. You guys heard heard any of this kind of stuff? The persecution that's been happening there so much in the UK?

SPEAKER_03 44:26

Uh I hadn't heard uh so much about the the church burnings and things, but I'm you know I'm praying that with with it um that it doesn't have the effect that they want which is to have Christ disappear that it would have the opposite effect. Yeah. You know, because what we know is that the persecuted church is is grow i will grow. Yep. And so I just pray that it would have the opposite effect.

SPEAKER_04 44:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 44:50

That that the Lord would uh be lifted and glorified you know by by the burning of these churches you know um that that it would be beauty from ashes literally exactly so uh I think that it's you know it it's horrible and I hope that they they catch these people and and it comes to a stop but at the same time I I just pray that the Lord will do what he's gonna do and use this for his his glory and his purposes.

SPEAKER_01 45:15

Absolutely Jamie you see a lot of kind of the younger activist generation is the ones that are responsible for most of this kind of stuff. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 45:22

Why do you think people rationalize doing things like this I mean I don't know as far as rationalizing it's it it just seems like the way that everybody's kind of heading towards now is that anything that takes a firm stance in the ground upon like not moving on the ways that um social influence is kind of headed towards like more just cultural acceptance and the fact that every like coexists like that's literally a perfect way to talk about the bumper sticker version exactly exist. Yeah that's like a perfect way to understand kind of what Gen Z is moving towards as a whole as far as what we want politically but it's interesting because um despite that being what the majority wants I think kind of to Angus's point that there is a really good lesson to be learned here. And for me it's just kind of like after seeing all these churches be burned, it's that I think in some ways it's almost like the Lord's calling the church to take a harder stand in the ground than we are because we've seen so much of the new generation that comes up try to be accepting of things that are pushing back against what for thousands and for hundreds and thousands of years will be viewed it as like canonically and scripturally wrong. Like just things that are like entirely against scripture we're trying to rationalize in accordance with acceptance of other people and belief systems and cultures and things like that that just inherently go against the Bible. So I think because people aren't willing to take a stand like that we see things like this happening. Now obviously it that's not to say that it it's the fault of the Christians for letting the church burn that's ridiculous because it is just out of the heinousness of somebody else to do this. But it's it it's not a coincidence that this is being accelerated because in spaces where we see that populations are kind of losing the heart of what it means to be Christian and formerly Christian countries that are kind of being atmospheres for where people can coexist and like accepting of other people the socialistic movement that we see of all these places that are like pushing for social acceptance of everything are the ones that most of this is happening to whereas countries that have like firmly stood within the foundation of Christianity um like like Poland haven't yeah haven't seen this. And yeah it yeah yeah so it's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

It is man and heaven help us to be those that are living the values that make sense and we we realize that the church is not a building but it's so sad to see you know facilities that are dedicated to the existence of the church and the community gathering be be burnt in this way. And I'll tell you that if it was done to other religious structures they would not be held in the same way. So I I think it's the forgiveness aspect of Christianity that somehow allows people just to kind of bypass and think it's okay. Whereas in other situations where that's not the response they would have there would be a lot more action. So heaven help us to keep our witness but also see justice happen. Amen one of the things that we saw recently I thought was really interesting is reported that the governor of Puerto Rico signed into law she signed into law that unborn babies are recognized as human beings have you guys seen that's awesome no I haven't seen that that was a really powerful thing especially from our perspective as Christ followers seeing life start at conception and talking about that we see it in Jeremiah we see it many places in scripture the Lord knows us he knows us from the time we were in our mother's womb he knows and has a plan and a purpose for us and we talk about that often so I think it's powerful to see Puerto Rico's governor for her to sign something like this is really powerful. Obviously it would put a stop to uh abortion and all these other things that are against the heart of God and killing unborn babies is very much in alignment and it opens the door for all of these other things that we've seen happen with within the Epstein files and other things. I mean a lot of behind the scenes secret camera kind of things seen where at Planned Parenthood facilities or at abortion facilities that's very much where they're going and farming parts of of babies and all sorts of other stuff just terrible evil evil things. And so for see the stop to that I thought was really powerful. So kudos to her Lord give her strength and trying in keeping that line for them and for the people one of the things that we've seen also is a shift as we were talking about recently in the Europe demographics and it's shifting through birth rates. So that's a really interesting thing we talked about that a lot in the past even as we lived in Europe and other places like that now we have we've lived in the Middle East we have friends who are Muslim all sorts of things so we value people as people first and foremost of every walk of life of every decision they're making. However we as Christ followers would love for every person to become a Christ follower and for people that believe other things their their ambition is to change the hearts of other people too so we're in this kind of gridlock against each other in theology and in in mentality though we value each other as people but because there are more people who are coming to these countries that actually have more children per ratio it they were just doing the math and it looks like most of Europe especially the bigger Western countries will shift to being a Islamic majority here within before 2035.

SPEAKER_00 50:18

That's a very interesting thing Jim you've seen a little bit of that change happen.

SPEAKER_01 50:21

What do you think as far as on that line?

SPEAKER_00 50:23

I mean it's not surprising kind of to what I was saying earlier the effect of like the fact that Europe is kind of changing to become so socially accepting of everybody. And with that comes a lot of um Islamic immigrant or Muslim immigrants that are coming in from these other countries these war torn countries that are looking for a better life and there's nothing wrong with that. Right. But it's also it's the fact that when you start changing like all the laws and things to kind of accommodate that then this will naturally follow to like radical implementation and because it's musl which Muslim Middle Eastern countries are rejecting.

SPEAKER_01 50:56

Yeah exactly they will not allow people from these different ethnicity from these different groups or even from those those political parties to even enter their country. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:03

And it's not to say that like every country's going to fall under Sharia law or something like that. But it's just we do see influences of that because of the cultural impact that it's having where all these immigrants are coming in and then having more kids because they have a better way of life and because they set themselves up with stable jobs, like stable family, stable career things for their kids to thrive and succeed. Whereas a big majority of people that have been culturally Western European or even like American are not having as many kids anymore because of just the awkwardness and age of technology and also the fact that like people just are kind of rejecting the family model as a whole which is so sad. But whereas Islam is like very much embracing that and being like no we need to have as many kids as possible. Right because they value children. Yeah exactly so then you also see that they're logically going to be the people that have the most accelerated birth rate out of all these other people and religious groups so eventually they'll make up a majority as far as like who religiously identifies with being Muslim, being Christian being atheist agnostic etc etc so and the fact that most of it's happening in like the UK and in Paris um just it makes all the sense in the world. So I'm not I'm not personally surprised by it but I am surprised that 2035 is like as quick of a date as they're saying it is because that's like in yeah I mean in 10 years less than 10 years.

SPEAKER_01 52:22

The math is is actually in their favor for that very thing and and I'll say this you know if you have an agnostic and an atheist society which is a majority of Europe and has been for a long time they do not value children or life that's not about themselves in any other way. So bringing people in there that would take resources away from their own goals and ambitions we've seen it ourselves where lots of people did not have a lot of kids or if they did have kids it was people who actually were wealthy that figured it out that actually oh my value is beyond what I can do and so I'm gonna have children and this can be something valuable here. And so we did see that shift and we have lots of friends that are Muslim that have actually really good values in their family. So they're not doing any of this crazy outside of the box kind of stuff that happens but one of the things that they are seeing is the more radical side of Islam and people that are running off these other hadiths and all this other stuff that is not in the value for family. They're actually doing things that's very much against the the current laws. So they're doing stuff like you know infant marriage I mean child marriage and other things like that. You know seeing you know a girl as soon as she goes through puberty then she's she's okay to marry and she's okay that's a green light for her to get married and for for for people to do that. And there's lots of cases of people doing that. Whereas law even whenever we were in Egypt there was law that said there you know that they could go and and have a Christian girl and and and have her come and become Muslim and they could essentially take her and have her become Muslim and that's how that's okay. And so there was like weird like old rules that didn't really function that way but in off cases did function that way. And so that's why people were very afraid you know whenever they had a Christian daughter who got to that age they were afraid of what what could happen with her even as she just went about her daily her daily stuff. So you know that kind of shift now that's not what you'd see in normal in in other places necessarily across the Middle East but it was in some cases like what was happening to see that be brought into Europe of two different thought processes two different worldviews it's all those things coming to a head so the shift and the allegiance of who's in control of all the big cities a lot of them are now Muslim governors and other things like that. And so the their value system is going to be different. Now it's interesting because a lot of their value on family aligns with what with ours is and so those things are similar but the idea of Sharia law the idea of other things like that which essentially is that is their agenda for some it it is actually on the table. And that's I think that's why people were freaking about Mamdani and other things in New York City thinking he's gonna be able to somehow roll this out here I'm like no we have tons of people who are anti-God here. Doesn't matter how you call pray to God no they're not gonna be for you we're very still much of an agnostic nation. And so I don't think see that happening here. Whereas Europe different story.

SPEAKER_03 55:04

Angus what do you think main well you know I don't I don't know uh as far as the seeing it here part because the the way I see it is it's not necessarily a political argument. It it's a mathematical oh for sure yeah it's not political yeah and that's the thing is like at a certain point while there can be resistance uh to to that at a certain point once you're no longer the majority right um you know it's really hard for you to to dictate things and um you know and what we know by birth rates and and all that the math doesn't lie. I mean the the the statistics and what people talk about that could be the lie but when you look at uh at different things you know for example like China how they're saying that there's no way their numbers can be like this because of the one child policy right that if everybody was obeying it their numbers just don't work out right you know same so they're not 1.1 billion they're actually more likely 65000 or something like that. Right. So the the same thing with this if if Muslims are coming into a into an area um the majority of them could be uh peace loving and and have all of that but it's um the way I see it is like if you've got a car full of people and the majority of those people are all Americans right and then eventually you start switching let's go with a bus you know because yeah yeah more seats but you know yeah and then you start to replace where the um uh the bus has more Muslims on it well then you switch the lane the lane change isn't the big right the big change it's when they change the driver right you know and so once once we've switched from American values and and this to uh to more Muslim things which may seem innocuous it's when the person when the leadership changes that's absolutely right uh and that's when it becomes the problem that's and uh and at a certain point it when it's a numbers thing it you don't necessarily have the choice yeah you know and so you have to be aware and and so we all have to be it's not you know we're not in conflict right but we just do have to be aware that if you want to maintain your way of life you have to have a certain uh population otherwise the bigger ones are going to come in and tell you what to do.

SPEAKER_01 57:11

Well and I'll tell you you know it's interesting we'll go back to the same thing with demographic change but um you know even from a perspective uh of those that lived under different things we've lived under different things so we've had people who were more socialist we've had other things you know we lived in France you have like a socialist president you have these other kind of presidents we go and live in the Middle East it's obviously a more authoritative figure though they are voted in um and so I think about LCC LCC was fair and governed in a way with values that aligned way more than mine than my American president Biden whenever I got back. And so that was interesting though we came into back into Trump, you know Biden took power after we got back and I'm like actually the guy I was with in the Middle East was in more in alignment with my values than this guy even though that guy is not a Christian. Yeah and is actually you know he's showed more support to the Christians and to other things than the guy who's running my country who's supposed to be you know based on Christian ethics. So it's very interesting to see it that way. So that's why I mean like you know we value people we can disagree with their thought process and their religion but as people they actually hold values closer to ourselves than even others. So it's really interesting as that regard. And that's where you see you know American Protestant Christians who will align themselves politically with people who are Mormon or other things even though we don't believe the same because they're like well he's closer to us in our values. So they're like oh yeah Mint Romney's my guy you're like wait what you know what I mean in any other context this wouldn't be true. But it's kind of like the enemy you know versus the enemy that you disagree with completely. So it's one of those kind of deals and so it is really interesting. Demographically changing America has the same problem but for a different reason. Because our rules are different than Europe you have to become the only way to be a citizen is to be uh a direct descendant meaning that you have to have it's either your grandparents or a less so some places has to be your parent to be they have to be a they have to be a citizen for you to become a citizen. So you could be born wherever but if you're born to a citizen then you can become a citizen. Just being born in the property doesn't mean anything. So if you're born in France forever like for example so you know Shiloh was born in France she's not naturally a French citizen you actually have to go through the system in at least half of your 18 years as a minor and then have to pass French you know fluency tests and history tests just like you're becoming a citizen otherwise so there's a naturalization process or born to a citizen to become a citizen. So America doesn't have that rule we have which is like the land of America meaning being within the the United States property makes you a citizen which is a very strange rule. The problem is that people are now they're figuring this out and I guess for a long time now which I didn't realize was that there are a big amount of of uh businesses that are set up in California to facilitate surrogate mothers uh to actually be inseminated with Chinese babies so Chinese mothers who are American citizens who are carrying to fruition uh the child who is now born as an American citizen though they're ethnically Chinese from two Chinese parents then that child is taken back to China or raised in China but whenever they come voting age American they're American yeah so they can hold American office because there's no stipulation saying that you grew up somewhere else that you can't come and be here because they are they are American born to an American parent here in America. So this is actually done the math some people were saying oh it's millions some people are saying it's hundred thousand I know one you know one report was saying one of the guys that facilitates it says oh I have a hundred I have a hundred children yeah because he's a rich guy so he's paid for a hundred women to surrogate his children so he has a hundred children that are being raised in China that are American citizens.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:47

Yeah and so that's an interesting thing that's a loophole for our own situation because they're playing long game not short game you know we don't have a whole bunch of like American babies being born in China to like you know take over right well and their system doesn't even allow for correct you know and no other system really on the on the planet allows for this kind of ridiculousness which is it's wild to me that it's like you know we all see this the the fence is wide open sure and and nobody's guarding it.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:16

Right and we want people from other countries to come but we want them to come and be a part of the process and become online and I think that needs to get fixed as far as the process for people to come in because I've managed to deal with that stuff forever. It's a nightmare but to your point.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:29

Oh yeah well I mean the the reality is is it doesn't matter how many right because all it takes is one to become president.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:37

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:37

You know and and then you've got Manchurian candidate you know you're you you've got this a sleeper a puppet president and um and so like that's a very real concern. Because they are playing the long game. You know now it's cute that China's having a bunch you know they're having babies here or whatever. Yeah but those babies are gonna become business leaders and and all of this stuff. And I mean they're already buying uh farmland and they're they're not they're not dumb. No. And and they're using our system against us right and and so we've got to wake up and get smart to to what they're doing or they're just gonna legally take us over.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:17

Yeah I think of a Korean American guy is a great example of this uh there's a guy he's an American guy so he grew up in America right his guy's name I think it's Johnny Kim he is a currently an astronaut um he grew up I think California I think is where he says his heritage is Korean um but he grew up there uh Navy SEAL I mean bad bad bad guy like he's he was wearing the Punisher out like thing served with teams and all this stuff when he got done with teams in the Navy he actually went to Harvard medical school became a doctor then he went now he's an astronaut with NASA so I've seen people using him as a meme because it's like this guy is just like crushing life bro like everything you've ever wanted to be you want to be a tough guy he's the toughest of the tough guys. You want to be a super smart like high high resolve person oh he went to Harvard and became a doctor and he's an astronaut it's like dude you can't compare to this guy I don't care who you are making it possible for every Asian out that's right that's right to be their mom to be proud of him because they're not Johnny Kim's mom. Yeah exactly but I mean you know he's a perfect example of somebody who you know obviously I don't know where he's at politically but I mean on the face of what he's done you're like oh dude this guy's America baby like I love him you know I don't care his ethnicity he's America but if he had some kind of agenda which I don't think he does but if he had some kind of agenda you know he could go and be like oh suddenly oh yeah we're gonna fight everything out for Korea like we're taking out North Korea today. You know he gets voted into pride day two he's like North Korea is the enemy we're like oh you've been sitting on this yeah you know which is there's a lot of people like that it doesn't have to do anything with necessity there's a lot of people have that kind of plan. Yeah but that being said yeah then it goes back to this other shift where it's like hey we are for people coming and being a part but we want them to become a part of what's happening here not to take their agenda from some other place and try to usurp what we're doing here which is some of the agenda of the extreme the extreme people that are coming in in Islam that's the some of the things that we see politically with that's thought process with China. So we'll see I'd love to go I want to go experience China I want to experience the place the culture see the stuff we have friends who are Chinese we believe in them we have friends who are Christ followers are in China praying for them and want them to thrive so it has nothing to do with the ethnicity side it's the political side of the ambition of the change I'm like better pay attention yeah really interesting so we need to fix that we need to make it easier for people to come and get involved and connect to us in the right way because I've had to navigate a ton of bureaucracy and getting visas and all those other things it is a nightmare and so I can only imagine what it is to go here. We've walked with lots of friends through that process here. They're trying to get their green card they're trying to get papers to do the things right culturally they're American they functioned here a long time they found themselves here you know undocumented as a young child and they're trying to get it right. And so it's like man I we need to fix that pro that problem and then fix the doors that create that problem. Yeah. And then everybody we play in the same field so then you can't talk about ethnicity in that way because it's that's that's being racist. So because everyone will go through the right door. So the Lord help us man in figuring that stuff out. Yeah I know it's not within our faith stuff because the Lord knows where he's gonna come back to and it isn't on this continent. Yeah. So you know we have that perspective for sure. Hey one of the cool things that we saw was some of these sports figures are giving their their faith and telling their their testimony one of those is the number one golfer in golf Mr Javen Scotty Sheffler.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:35

Scotty Scheffler the man the myth the legend he is tearing it up recently uh saw a video I sent it to you him sharing his testimony of Christ in college you get a chance to see it I I did not I think I've heard him talk about it before though um yeah I mean it's it's great like he's also shared uh I think he was playing around with Grant Horvat once about like um I think he's a part of what what's like the golfer Christian organization that they have there's a few yeah He's like a s a supporter of that, I think, because he's obviously not in college anymore. But yeah. But I mean it's it's great. Um and to see him be so someone that's like so vocal about his faith is great. And I think um the fact that he is world number one and the fact that he plays with like such a heart and attitude of love for his family, and that he's he really, in essence, doesn't like care about his career as like the defining factor for who he is, but he's fully convinced of his identity in Christ and knows who he belongs to. So within that sense, he just like plays freely and doesn't really like care because one tournament loss isn't gonna define who he is. Right. So he just gets back and plays with like the same ambition and fervency that he does because he feels that that's the call that God's put on his life, and that's incredible. Yeah. Um yeah, so I think it's it's just been awesome to see him kind of be vocal about that, especially in a space where we see like so much money being poured into these people that they start to become like extremely self-conceited and value themselves more than maybe they actually like should be. But yeah, so you're not saying about that as any of his colleagues on the PGA tour, are you?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:03

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, nothing like that. Nothing like that. Not at all. No, powerful to see him. Uh man, we got to see Scotty play, you know, just a few weeks ago when he was here in Phoenix, yeah, and get a chance to see him play. You know, it was really cool. See his um his caddy, Ted Scott, is it does a thing every he goes he does Sunday school on his Instagram and and and does a message about faith because they're both men of faith. So on Sunday morning, which is usually the last round for the golf tournaments, is Sunday morning. So he's doing a thing early Sunday morning talking about faith, telling about some kind of testimony, and that's really powerful to use your testimony for the Lord. So I appreciate that that Scotty's doing that. I appreciate that Ted is doing that, and it's pretty cool to see, you know, like Grant Horvath. Grant Horvat is a a an influencer, golf influencer, somebody who played college level, but has got really good and is very kind of famous for his his um upbeat attitude and his approach to golf, his his game is beautiful, but he has a testimony and he gives glory to God, and that's really powerful. I think even when he was a part of Good Good, which is an online golf uh group, uh which have merchandise and all sorts of stuff now, he was really instrumental there. You could see his influence on those other guys and his testimony and encouraging them to live for Christ as well. And there's several guys in that group that are also Christ followers and and more vocal about their faith, which is pretty cool too. So I'm encouraged to see some of that stuff. Have you followed any of these guys in golf the golf rum? It's not necessarily your sport.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:27

No, golf uh it hasn't been. Um, but it it is really neat to see uh these influencers and and these people and who have a platform to use it for good. Yeah, you know, and so I I do appreciate that.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:39

That's cool. So yeah. So you don't have anybody that's like a professional bagpipe player or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:43

No.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:45

Shout out all the Scottish people in the world. Uh, another one that's in line here was actually Coach Mike McDonald. He is the Seattle Seahawks uh coach, and he they just won the Super Bowl recently. And I love his statement here. He said, God called me to be a coach. That's what he was saying is I'm living my purpose. Similar to what Scotty was saying, yeah, is that I'm doing this job as the utmost of my ability to give glory to God for what's going on. And I love that. He just was like very genuine. He's like, no, you know, it's about my faith in God, and similar to Scotty. Scotty's like, you know, he's sponsored by Rolex and Nike and all these huge things. Huge things. He's like, you know, my value is not whether or not I make this, my value is found in Christ and in my family, and that's what I play for. And so I'm thankful for these other people that come alongside me and empower me to do this stuff. I'm thankful for that. I'm thankful to win this, but this doesn't define me as who I am. And that's so gangster. I love that so much. Because it just turns all the accolades back to Jesus. Yeah. What do you guys think?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:42

Seahawks, are they anointed by God because of my well, I I don't know about all that, but what I do appreciate um about the way that they're they're sharing their faith in this is that it's not um it's not like at the Grammys where it's you know thank you, thank you, God, and all this for for this award. It's um, you know, that's just a portion of who they are. Um, and uh and so I I appreciate that. Uh that and I just I pray that we see more of that.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:10

Yeah, absolutely. I also hope that you know our team gets somebody anointed like Mike so we can too. Javen, what do you think, man? Somebody give a testimony, or are you just shaking your head at the Cardinals?

SPEAKER_00 1:10:18

I know I'm shaking my head at the Cardinals because at this rate we're probably never gonna win a Super Bowl. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Unless we like re-franchise, leave Arizona, and then come back to Arizona. Bring Mike McDonald's. I don't know, something. Even Mike McDonald could save our poverty franchise, dude. It's so bad. Dare you? No, it's great. It's it's great to see Mike McDonald. Like I I did see the clip that you're talking about, and it's awesome because like for him, it's not like he was like a player that gradually became a coach. I think he started from like a a really low-tier coaching or staffing position, something like that. Worked as well. And then really like, but in a super quick manner, I think he's like one of the youngest um active head coaches in the NFL right now. Early 40s. Yeah, I think that's something like that. But either way, yeah, yeah. I think he's in his 30s or something like that, which is pretty crazy crazy because most of the guys are like older and had been people that had played before and then just like worked their way up. Right. But um, no, for him, it's been it's been awesome, and he's definitely helped change the culture within the Seattle um locker room. Yeah, some of those guys are praying before the games and stuff. Every game, yeah, 100%. And I think it's um that's been great to kind of see like not only has he done that in terms of like actually been very vocal about his faith with the fan base and things like that, but he's also helped bring that in his actions towards the player base that he sees every single day, and then he interacts with like almost the entirety of the year. So it's awesome to see that he is not only giving glory to God and fulfilling what he longs to do and what he knows he's been called to do, but he obviously just does it with excellence, and that's awesome to see.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:48

Yeah, I love it so much. I think it's really cool. Um, shifting a little bit here, but it's really interesting. We were talking about uh it's been a few months ago when we were talking about some of this, talking about um being buried versus being cremated. Um sent me a video, wildness, man. Somebody had lost their mother and they she had been cremated, her ashes were on their piano. Well, their two-year-old got to the ashes, and so their two-year-old was playing in the ashes and was eating the ashes. Oh my god. You want to talk about it?

SPEAKER_03 1:12:18

Well, that was so crazy, but that's pretty much it. Uh, it was just kind of this idea that you know this video is gonna was serve a purpose later on in life. Uh, and so it just showed a picture of this little girl as she's like two, yeah, maybe three.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:31

Yeah, she's covered in ashes, and the mom is like, that was my mom.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:36

She's like eating them. You know, to her, it's just like sand. You know what I mean? She's not really thinking about it. Yeah. And it's everywhere, all over this piano. So they are literally with the vacuum out, vacuuming up the ashes and vacuuming up grandma on the thing. We were like, dude, this is wild. It's so so it's one of those things that you're like, this is terrible, and it makes you laugh because you're like, this is insane. And both the parents were laughing. I mean, the mom, even the mom who lost her mom, was just like, what can you do? That's grandma. Yeah. It's so dark, man. I'm like, what? But you know, what we know about that is that to be absent from the body, we're present with the Lord. So the idea is that you know, she's no longer in those ashes. Obviously, it is her remains, but the point is that she's no longer there. Yeah. And so it's one of those things that you're like, oh man, you want to respect. Obviously, we have hold and high respect and all those things. But yeah, dude, that's a hard one to come back from. Oh hard one. Yeah, man, crazy. One of the C's we talk about is creativity, and we've talked a lot about tech and about the the advancement of technology, especially recently in these last couple of years, has been crazy how fast things have been developing. We talked about um C Dance and how Hollywood style things are being made in one day. Well, C Dance 2.0 came out, and it's even better than the one before. You guys talked a little bit about some of the things you've seen. Did you see any of those videos? I know you talked about the cat one coming out of the water.

unknown 1:13:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:58

Godzilla with the other ones that you saw.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:59

Nah, I think it was just the cat one. Um there might have been like a Superman and I want to say like a Batman fight that wasn't taken from a movie, it was just like artificially made with like their more comic book version style. Yes. But like portrayed as real people, so it was pretty cool. Um, but yeah, I mean, it looks pretty realistic. Obviously, you can kind of tell that it's AI just because there's a little bit of flaws here and there, um, and it doesn't look like entirely authentic. But once again, if this is like one of the earliest implementations. It's done in a few days. Yeah, you think about this in like a couple years from now, which is probably gonna go by like that, right? Then this kind of technology is just gonna be absolutely insane in terms of not only movie making, but also like gauging the authenticity of what you're watching. You're like, wait, is this actually an AI movie or is this like everything will be surreal?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:47

Exactly. Yeah, so at what point will we really be in, you know, like you know, one of those like Ready Player One scenarios where you're living, you know, in the meta metaverse or whatever it is? It's very interesting. Yeah, I mean that's what Elon's talked about forever. For a long time. Yeah, it's like we're probably already there, which I don't know about all that. But since it's the case and you have like we showed on Sunday, even iterations of people taking that classic Fast and the Furious Tokyo Drift scene where Han is leaning on his car and and the guy walks out and sees him, and it's that whole thing. And then now they're replacing Han leaning on different stuff we talked about on Sunday. Yeah, you know, the people made him on a tractor or not next to a borough, they they put him next to, you know, then they replaced him altogether, and now it's Doc Brown next to the DeLorean. Okay, so if you could pick any two people to be like in a big fight scene that you from across any movies, what do you guys think? Anybody that you'd be like, oh, this would be so sick to see them doing that. Maybe like a Neo versus the Hulk. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:42

Like something dynamic or even I think Leonidas from 300. Oof. Uh, and I'm trying to think of who to pick.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:48

Oh, they had him. It was him and um Maximus from Gladiator. Oh, they had that rolled out. I saw something like that. I saw also where him, Leonidas, like two other things, two other people kind of in those kind of history. Uh I think it was um it was uh Achilles, it's uh Brad Pitt is Achilles, and they had something else that they were all doing something together. I forget what they were fighting, but they were fighting something other in like element. Jay, what do you think, man?

SPEAKER_00 1:16:14

Anybody that you're like, this would be sick. I don't know. I think my mind kind of goes to comic book characters. Like I I think like as far as there's been so many superhero adaptations, but like I think a canonically accurate version of like the Wally West Flash, so like the supposed flat like fastest one versus I should like a streamer, no, versus like a a Batman with prep time, but like in order to like see it live, like interesting or we'll like see like a live action version of it, yeah. Because we see like the Justice League iterations of things, but we haven't really seen like some of the really cool parts of the comic books that are like translated into actual movies yet, right? So I think like actually seeing a well-done fight scene would be super cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:57

That's cool. Angus, anything? I mean, you had Leonidas there, maybe versus somebody.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:01

No, actually, one thing that I think would be really cool to see is the Bible visualized through this. So that'd be nice technology. Same, that's where I was going. That was I think that would be really neat. Sorry to jump on. No, no, no, that's exactly it. Yeah, yeah. Uh, but I think that that would be really cool because I think um for some of us it's so hard to conceptualize the the concepts in the Bible. And I think uh I know that with some of the things that I've seen on Instagram, just with some of the basic things that they've done is really cool. But to see one uh one long movie that you know that really hits it uh that's scripturally based, I think would be incredible.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:34

Yeah, so like give this tool to Angel Studios and the people that are doing some of this other stuff and let them rock with it. Yeah. I mean, even the David movie and some of these other things that came out recently, which are animation, you know, it's more done in kind of a comic y style thing. So if you did it more realistic, you know, that the battle scenes would be crazy with like David and Goliath or even David, you know, you know, like David's mighty men versus the Philistines, or all those kind of big battle scenes would be wild. Yeah, you know, to see. That'd be really cool to see. Any Bible story you're like, this would be awesome aside from David. That's uh it's kind of an easy one.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:06

What's the one where it's like uh there was a spiritual battle between the angels and Satan's demons over the body of fighting fighting from that time to go here to till you came here for prayer?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:17

That one?

SPEAKER_00 1:18:18

Oh no, it was it was over the body of some like Moses' bones, yeah, exactly. I think that would be super cool just to see like a like a biblically accurate version of like the angel Gabriel and like what their interpretation of Lucifer would be for like from the AI's perspective. Because we've seen so many iterations of it throughout like yeah media and like even like books like in Dante's Inferno, there's like really bizarre depictions of it, right? So I don't know. I think it'd be pretty cool to see as far as like what it would actually come up with.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:45

So that'd be a wild one to see is Dante's Inferno and seeing the levels of hell and all that. It'd be pretty crazy. I that would be a dark movie, yeah. Dark movie, but interesting. It's just man, this AI just like taking off, so it's like almost kind of like your imagination is the limit. Yeah, you know what I mean. And what are you able to funnel it in? So pretty interesting. Uh one of the sides of Asi A, one of the sides of AI that we haven't talked about right yet has been how AI, because they have now mapped and photographed so much of the Western world, they're saying if you're in the Western world that AI can pinpoint you just based on a picture you take outside, which is terrifying. Now we know there are some guys that are really, really good at GeoGuesser. Have you seen GeoGesser as a game? No, I haven't. Javen, you've seen a little bit of what's that guy's name? It's super good at GeoGuesser? I think it's Rainbow. Rainbow, thank you. And he can do similar to this. He just very good. He understands like the grasses and native grasses and places. He understands like tree lines, and he's like and can click on places. I'm like, this man had been living on this game. Wow. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:46

So you want to talk a little bit about what that looks like? Yeah, it's pretty crazy. So you get um the way that GeoGesser works is they drop you in like some random location, and you can do you can you have like 3600. Google Earth. So you have 360 degree of vision, and you can go. I I want to say it's you can go like a few blocks, but they give you a time limit. I want to say it's like um anywhere between 30 seconds to two minutes, depending on what like your settings and stuff are. And your objective is just kind of just figure out where you are from the entire earth. So you can like and you need to pinpoint like as close as you can. I think the max amount of points you can get is like 5,000, but it's extremely hard to do. Per round. Yeah, you need to get within like five yards or something in order to get it. It's kind of ridiculous. And Rainbolt's got like perfect scores on mini games. It's mini games. It's crazy. But it's just because um it's just so wild, and they also will blur out like some of the text that just like gives it away. Right. But if you understand like what some of the languages and things look like, it can help you pinpoint a little better. But this dude can like, I think one time he was looking at it, it was literally like a random road in the middle of Africa that with like a dirt lot and like I don't know, like small blades of grass like barely appearing out of the dirt. And he was just like, Oh, I know where that is, and like looked it up, and he was within, I want to say, like, a hundred yards of the location of watching dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:05

Right. And it's because he'll take like the tr path of the sun through the sky and different hemispheres, he understands like the time, like what the cloud patterns look like in places. I mean, the guy is like, he's gotta be somewhere on the spectrum of knowledge because the guy's like locked in. Wow. And it's really impressive to watch him do it. I mean, you can get lost watching those videos on YouTube because you're like, what? You know what I mean? You're trying to catch up with this guy, but he's just all over. But I mean, you know, some of the I mean, if we've we've played it before, like we've played that game before, and to go into Geogesser, you can like click through and like, okay, I'm gonna go here. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah, Arizona license plate. Okay, you're in Arizona. Okay, that's in the United States, Southwest, blah, blah, blah. Most likely, statistically speaking, gonna be in Maricopa County because half the people in our state live in this county. Okay, and then you kind of you guesstimate you're a lot closer. So he would do some of that, but a lot of times he blur all that stuff out. AEI will just take all this stuff and just put it all together and be like, oh, you're here in Avondale, Arizona, cornerstone. You know what I mean? And just like give you the picture, and you're like, oh, that's scary. Yeah. Because it's one of these things where it's like, it because we've mapped so many things, we're essentially eroding our privacy. So that's a very interesting side of this other stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:12

Speaking of that, the next sec a second segment of that would be that Palantir has opened this thing called Flock. And it is something where they are using scanning technology to track drivers and cars and all these things, mapping locations at every intersection. So usually there's kind of a camera that's there to indicate that there are cars there, so it will change the traffic light based on the traffic. This is a secondary camera. We have it here in our community in Maricopa County. It's already rolling. And you can see where they have the flock cameras that are up. So those things are scanning the drivers, they're scanning what car they're driving, they're indicating the car based on its color, its type, its model, um, any stickers or indicators on the car. So, you know, if you had a trivium sticker on your car, they're gonna be like, oh, these people are part of Trivium School, and they have that marked, and they have so they can just tag all those things together to close the circuit on who is driving what car and what they're doing. Now, there's a positive thing to that, and also a very negative thing to that. So it's interesting. Celeste, my wife, she uh is a teaching pastor here at Cornerstone, she works for the city of Gl uh of Glendale, and and in her role, she's privy to uh interact with some of the police officers and things like that, and they were sharing with her that they have had almost all the car theft like just drop off a cliff in Glendale because they track all these plates in and out of everywhere and have for a while now, like a couple years, and they can tell you as soon as a plate hits that's reported stolen, it flags on all the cameras, and they start to track him. They pulled people over that were in the drive-thru of places and just boosted them right out of the stolen cars, arrested them right there on the spot. Wow. So anybody rolls through Glendale, they're in trouble, and they're gonna do that more and more and more because forever Arizona's known as like one of the you know, the most biggest carjacking and car theft places because they would steal them here in Metro Phoenix and then drive them to Mexico and then it's just gone.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:03

So more and more of that's gonna be enforced, and this is gonna be the positive side of it. The negative side is the tracking everything you're doing. Yeah, yeah. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_03 1:24:11

Yeah, I you know, there is that positive and negative, and you have to just kind of figure out uh which is which is better, you know. Um I still don't know about that. Yeah. Uh I I don't know which which way I come down on it because there's so many pros and cons either way. Um but I I tend to lean on the the side of I'm not for it because um because it always starts off good. Right. Uh it starts off with with good intentions and all of these things. But um, you know, just like the internet, which you know was meant to be a good thing, right? Yeah, you know, and social media, all these things that we we find it doesn't take very long before they become an instrument of evil. And um, and so I I'm not for this.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:58

Yeah, the the tracking side is really tough. Javen, what do you think, man? You guys have tend to have a little bit different because you guys came into where you're already being tracked kind of from birth.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:05

Yeah, I mean, it just I I think this is kind of like the logical progression of what's gonna happen as far as like the way that technology boosts and stuff, it's just gonna provide more tracking. It kind of reminds me of um the dark night where Lucius kind of opens up that program and is able to see like all of Gotham City because they have everything mapped. Um, that's basically the exact same thing as what the government can do now, which is a little more like limited in terms of or well, it's probably not limited, but like conceptually it would just be tied to like cameras and databases instead of like an actual 3D interactive method. Yeah, so it's I mean it whether you like it or not, I think by being an American citizen and being tied in any sort of technology whatsoever, you kind of already give up a sense of your privacy. Um and I think we're just doing it for the sake of convenience, and because this is where America at large is headed, this is only gonna probably continue to get worse. So even though um most people of like the like most middle-aged to older people are against it because they grew up without technology, they're like, Yeah, we can function without it. So many of people in my generation are like, no, we need technology because this is like I can't pay for anything. Well, yeah, but we've also been so integrated into like incorporating it and everything in our lives that like we're so savvy and fluent in it that it just makes everything easier. If you told everybody to go off grid, even for like a month, right, nobody could do it anymore. And because everything's integrated through like business as far as automation, as far as like computer logs and things like that, it's like we we've come to a place where we're so technologically dependent that we can't stray away from it now. So the only conclusion is to continue to go forward, and that's part of the problem is that because we built up a system that's so dependent on it, we can't escape it anymore. Yeah, so you're you're you're on the ramp to the digital arc, so there's no going back.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:52

But I mean it it whether or not you like it, it's gonna happen. Yeah, interesting, interesting insight for sure. And I don't disagree with you. I think you're probably right. I think it's gonna be scaling up more than the other. And to use that Batman analogy was a really good example because that kind of echolocation, or obviously, as we were talking about in a previous podcast, about how they're using you know Bluetooth to track you and other things, or even at the beginning of this one, it's like, you know, how that that's part of what it is, the geofencing stuff that we talked about, man. What a huge thing. It's like that's happening more and more, not less.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:21

There was a show called Person of Interest that kind of goes along this whole this whole idea that they use AI uh cameras and everything in a program to uh to solve crimes and and all that.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:32

Uh so it's yeah, Jim Cavizel. Yep. Jesus from the Passion of the Christ.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:36

Yeah, that's right. So I mean it's already been it's already been there, so we're used to it now. So as it happens, you know, that predictive programming that we were talking about previously.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:44

Yeah, that's right. Hey, we just talked about on a previous podcast about Claude being used as an AI agent and how people are rolling and using Claude to for their benefit. One of the things that just uh recently was announced was Elon Musk. Never heard of him before. He's only in the news all the time, every single day. Day. But Elon obviously owns Tesla and Starlink and all the other pieces that are there. They're rolling out the humanoid robots and all those Optimus robots that they're rolling out, but they have their own AI called Grok. Grok can also be used across all the Teslas as well. So they have that kind of AI that's integrated into Tesla. Can actually live change and do a bunch of things for you. I've heard I've seen people just talking to it like a normal sentence. And it can do all the steps you asked it to do. Hey, I need to get directions from here to Awatuki, and we need to stop by this mall, and I need to go and do a dry cleaner and this other stuff. And also I need to get a coffee when I'm closer to Awatuki. And they'll be like, great. And just do do do do and add all these stops in between. It's just really interesting. Well, Elon is starting a new company. It's AI employees only, so it's going to be AI-based agents that are working this. The name of the company is Macro Hard. So a direct shot at Micro Soft. And it is a software company that's going to be employing only AI. So I thought this was interesting because we've talked about, I mean, obviously they're going to have some engineers at the top end somewhere, but for the majority, it's going to be AI functioned only and focused only. What do you guys think about that, man? The thing we just talked about, he's running it at a big, big scope using Grok.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:15

Yeah, I mean, like, it's uh logically this is gonna happen somewhere. And Elon's always been on the side that we need to embrace whatever technology we have at the current moment. He's always looking for a way to innovate something or to get the human race somewhere else. Um and for him, that looks like a lot of technological incorporation so that we can elevate ourselves to the point where it's actually feasible to do those things. Um it is interesting to kind of see somebody that's so that's like such a prominent figure be willing to establish something like this. How big it's gonna be, I don't know. Right. But knowing Elon, the level that he takes for like actually scaling things, this could turn into like a decently pretty big size company. So I think if if you really are on the side that AI is like gonna end up serving some kind of like evil overlord, this is like really alarming. Um and I think kind of depending on who's calling the shots for the operation, whether Elon like is fully sentient, because we've seen like in the in the past he's been like kind of all over the place as far as like where his mind and where his psychological state is. I mean, you you run it you might run into a lot of issues that you wouldn't expect to run into where there's like human guidance and people to check the overhead and things like that, j besides just the person that's telling the bots to do whatever they want. So it's it's interesting. I think it only really works, it's kind of like a monarchy, if you will. Like if the king is in check, then everything's kind of good. But if the king is like not right, yeah, then everything kind of like falls off.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:45

So if you have a mad king, then we're all in trouble. Yeah, basically. Macro heart's gonna become Skynet. Yeah, I we'll see. I don't know. Angus, what do you think, man?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:53

Yeah, I think that it has uh potential to go to move very fast. You know, I mean, just because of the fact that AI can do uh overnight what it takes humans, you know, so much longer to be able to accomplish. Um, I think that once once it starts getting rolling, we'll we'll see it move faster and faster. Uh it's just what sort of safeguards are are there. And you know, the video that that I saw was just talking about, well, if it's successful or once it's successful, what does that look like in the tech industry? Because if one tech company can operate without uh without employees, what can all the other tech companies do? And so then it'll become a race to see who, you know, uh and so it's talking about the just this could potentially be the beginning of the death of of people in tech, yeah, you know, which is hundreds of billions of people around the world.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:48

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:48

You know, so uh so that's or hundreds of millions of people around the world. So, you know, that's there's a lot of implications with this. So it we're just gonna have to kind of watch and see.

SPEAKER_01 1:32:00

That's true, you know. Well, I know the shot is being taken at Microsoft, which actually attached to Bill Gates. Bill Gates before all the stuff with Epstein really came out uh wide. Um you know, he was on stuff like uh Jimmy Fallon, and he's talking about there's like, oh, there's not gonna not gonna be a lot of people involved. He's like, No, you're not gonna really need humans for most of everything. And you're like, oh, that's great. You know, because this is the same people who are like, oh, we should probably do with less humans on the planet. It's like, no, no, no, no. Hold on a sec, hold on a second. Who says you say? Yeah, the guy who's already here says this? This is not a good idea. Yeah, you know, so it is interesting to see that can happen and roll out, and I think that is the plan because you know, machines they work 24-7, don't have a problem, and you can replace them with with another machine for cheaper than you can hire to someone to do it. So there will be a piece, you know, leading the future, uh leading an age of AI will be a challenge more than what we admit to right now. It will be very much a person with person the per peop people skills will become a an incrementally larger and more valuable skill set than people understand. Right now, that's kind of seen as moderate as a skill set. No, in the future, it will be the skill set because you your interaction with people uh will be something uh of merit for you because people will lose skill set because of of not interacting with people, and people who are good at skill set like that, I think they'll thrive. Uh so there'll be that's gonna be a value which gives advantage to those of us who live in community with each other because we're navigating that all the time. Friction and harpening, you know, iron sharpening iron, all those kind of things. So the Lord help us navigate a future and not live in fear. Alongside those things, we're talking about Tesla rolling out this concept with micro hard. Um, same thing for their humanoid robots. They have actually said they're shifting from making uh all the all the uh Tesla cars in their California plant, they're changing it to make the Optimus robots. So they're gonna be rolling out that many humanoid robots. I heard people say that the ones that came across those robots, they said in the future you will forget that Tesla made cars. Wow. That's how much this will change everything. So I was like, whoa, that's a statement right there. Because you know, like there was electric cars obviously before and other different variations we have them now on the market, but Tesla by and by large is the is the front runner. And uh so really insightful to think about that. Um what do you guys think about that? I mean, is it a reality? We talked about it for a while, but they're rolling them out. What do you what do you think it'll be like whenever we're interacting to have robots around us?

SPEAKER_03 1:34:31

I really have no idea. I mean, other than what I've seen in the movies, yeah, you know, and it's uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:40

Interesting, Jay. What do you think, man? I mean, to some degree, like I understand that people feel like they're interacting with something that has sentience, but I feel like at a very basic level, you're just gonna kind of forget that the robot is like a robot eventually, and you're just gonna be like, okay, yeah, go do this for me, go do that for me, and it just becomes like a task manager for you, essentially. Right. Um, and I think in the way that like in all these dystopian films, you have like them being so well integrated into society that they kind of just like have a set place and humans don't really view them as like extraordinary anymore. I feel like that definitely will happen. Right. Obviously, people will try to roll out things that emulate more of human activity, like that have sentience that have thought, or that seem to at least, and like give their opinions on things and stuff like that. But at a very basic level, like for the Tesla robots, they're just there to perform functions for whoever owns them. Um, now as for the take that they're rolling out so many robots that they're gonna forget they have cars. I like I'm kind of shocked if they really do have that many robots planned for production versus the amount of cars that they have, just because I feel like society, especially right now, is hesitant to like fully accept having personalized robots for you. Maybe not my generation, my generation might be more open to it, but the people that have money to pay for them right now are definitely like, nah, I just rather have like another human do that work for me.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:59

So I don't know, man. I kind of think, you know, from a parental perspective, you're right. Your generation will want them. Yeah, people have their money who have money, their parents. No, I know. And so they're gonna be like, you know, a lot of your generation differently than our generation, your generation is sponsored. Yeah. So they got the sponsorship of their parents on their chest. So it's like, mommy, daddy, I don't want a pony. I want an optimus robot. Yeah. They'd be like, Well, how much are they? Oh, they're $25,000. Well, it's cheaper than getting you out of jail, I guess. So you know what I mean? At what point is it gonna be like just ubiquitous that that's the new thing? It's no longer, you know, do I have the Tiffany bracelet? Do I have the Rolex? Do I have this you know, Chanel bag? No, I have an Optimus. Yeah, and then he carries, he carries my, you know, he carries my Stanley. Yeah. Yeah. And I I dressed him out in an outfit to match my Stanley.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:47

At what point is it gonna be like that? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:50

Uh, you were with me when we were talking with uh with a we're when we were talking with Aaron, we were talking about this idea of how they're using slang already against robots. Yeah. I sent you guys a sketch. Did you guys happen to see the sketch of the old man that was kind of dressed up to be look like Colonel Colonel Sanders? You saw this? Yeah. The the context of this of the skit is it he has a new, it's supposed to be like a test, a Tesla robot. This young guy comes over and he's talking about his robot and he keeps on calling the robot a clanker, which we were talking about with Aaron, how Aaron was introducing that term. Well, I didn't really know it. He's saying, Yeah, that's like a slang, a negative derogatory slang towards them. And man, you guys saw the sketch. What did you guys think? Angus?

SPEAKER_03 1:37:32

It was uh taking the the spin of a uh or the the angle that the the old man was a plantation owner in the south in the south and racist, and racist, and uh uh and the uh the robot is his slave. And so they were using a lot of the the terminology or they were trying to to get the terminology to to play over. Right. Uh it was very funny. I mean it's very funny. Um but I think too, at this point it it is funny until Until it's real, until they get feelings.

SPEAKER_01 1:38:04

That's a hundred. And you know, like people using derogatory slang towards them like that term clanker. Yeah, you know, um, man, like it suddenly it sounded a lot like other negative derogatory terms that we don't say. I was like, oh no. Yeah. So it's interesting. Jay, what was your take, man? You saw like the young guy kind of playing his grandson.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:20

Oh, yeah. I mean, it was definitely just like a play on racism from back in the 1800s. Um, I think like as far as I don't really feel like I feel like the attitude for saying clanker is all just done ironically. Yeah. Um, in the future, because I don't really think, despite like everybody thinking that, oh my gosh, they're gonna have emotions and feelings, it's like, yeah, but also the like number of people now that interact with things like AI chatbots and whatever that like are specialized to give like certain responses. So like if I like wanted an AI girlfriend, I could go and get one. It it's such a limited number of people versus those that you just use it for functionality that I think like the moral ramifications of like speaking negatively to an AI will not be felt by the large majority of people. But it might be interesting in like in the fact that if they treat an AI like that who like kind of looks to have feelings or kind of looks to have like a sentience, how will they treat other people? That's right. Because then other people just kind of seem like they're the task master task managers for them. Right. And then that kind of distinction is a little hazy now because you're like, oh, how do I really act towards people or what what is my real character if I'm treating my robot like this? It's not a real person, but then using derogatory language. Yeah, exactly. But then like that also affects the interactions that I have with other people. Yeah, you'd be like, oh, you're just a clanker man. Yeah, so I think that's clankster. You know, you like have some other derivative of that guy, yeah. But that's the that's like the negative that I think you take away from it, but everything else is all just done like in like to no harm to anybody. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:39:52

Yeah, he they really drove it home because he's dressed like a southern plantation owner. He's kind of looks like that Colonel Sanders character. Yeah, and he's keeps on using terms like field clanker and house clinker. I'm like, oh no, this is terrible. I sent it to Aaron, you know, I was like, dude, you were right there using this term straight away, you know, people coming strong, but really interesting. But I think you're right, Jim. I think it has to do with the heart. And I think even as Christfollers, we need to really watch what we say, even to inanimate objects, because it starts to be something you build up in your heart. Why are you saying it to this thing in a negative way? You wouldn't say it to your toaster, you wouldn't say it to your microwave, you know, you're like clunky microwave, you know, it doesn't make anything.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:28

So I have said some things to Siri out of frustration, though. Yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:33

That you can watch out. I man, I try to be nice um and try to do the other things, you know, to Siri. But uh yeah, I do too.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:40

But there are sometimes, man, it's just jumps in. Well well, or it's like a child that's intentionally not listening to you, it's like, don't touch it. Don't Siri, turn that off. I'm gonna turn it down. You know, just messes with you.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:53

That's true. That if you're using those features, that is true. That's part of the part of the learning process, I guess. Like navigating it, being a beta tester for forward in real life. I know it is weird because you know, we I mean, you and I both utilize having an Apple Watch, we use the AirPods and other things, you know, Javen use AirPods, and so you can talk to Siri, you can react to it, it'll read your text when you have your AirPods in. And I'll have so many times where I'm running around doing work here on campus, and I'll have an AirPod in because I'm listening to a podcast or something else, and then like someone comes up to dialogue with me, so I'll pause what I'm doing, but then someone will text me, they'll start reading my text out over the top of a conversation I'm trying to have. Yeah, and I'm like, duh, you know what I mean? You're like trying to stop it with your watch, whatever. But that starts to that starts to break down your conversation. So it's almost like okay, I gotta take my AirPod out every time someone comes up to have a conversation because it it stops the flow of what you're trying to be personal, be present. Yeah, so it makes it really hard. But yeah, we need to watch it, I guess, with our our language in the future as we start to interact with our robots that apparently we're all gonna have. So yeah, interesting. Hey, uh, one of the things that is gonna affect us here in Arizona is some of those driverless trucks we've been talking about, in this case, 18 wheelers, and they're saying that they're gonna bring out 200 of them online here to drive on the roads of Arizona. Arizona is a very spread out place, so to get to Metro Metropolitan Maricopa County, which is what Phoenix lies in the middle of, and all the Metro Phoenix lies in the middle of, it is several hours from everywhere, everything. So it's two hours from Flagstaff, which is north, it's two to two and a half hours from Tucson, which is south. Uh, you're a couple hours from California, substantial from LA, we're like five and a half, six hours at least, Vegas, four hours. So you're talking about a lot of time on the road. And though there's 18 wheelers on all those roads, so I-10, 60, you know, any any direction you're driving, you're gonna find a lot of that. I-17, um, you're gonna find big 18-wheelers in in driving alongside them. All of us have grown up driving around side them, so we're very used to it. But I don't know how I feel about a non no driver in the car for an 18-wheeler. Yeah, that's a lot of weight.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:52

Yeah, a hundred percent.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:54

You know, to have um to have a a misconnection as they're driving through a a pass, you know, in the mountains, and that I mean we've all had our phone die. What happens was suddenly they have no more connection with their with their link. Yeah, you know, that's an interesting idea.

SPEAKER_03 1:43:07

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, there's a there's a so many things that can happen just and and we're seeing it right now across the world with with uh driverless and AI vehicles and stuff like that. There's I think that it's a little premature. Still, you know, I I think there's still too many bugs uh that need to be worked out before we put that, you know, we put that amount of weight behind AI.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:32

Yeah, because it's not just the driving side. I mean, they can talk about how it's safer statistically for drivers, and that's probably true. I mean, you know, from what we've seen, it's it's fairly true. But when you start putting weight behind it, it becomes a whole nother animal. I mean, we've seen all these like, you know, we were talking about how all the mess-ups from all the drive all the delivery bots that are all over, you know, uh Tim B and all these other places, how they're getting ran over and they're driving themselves into holes and stuff. What happens whenever you're like, you know, metric tons behind you in the in the truck? Yeah, that's that's a problem. So what do you think, Javen?

SPEAKER_00 1:44:03

Driving next to a big 18-wheeler with no driver? Uh I mean, I I feel like most of the time you wouldn't really notice like if um if somebody were not to have told you that that was like a driverless 18-wheeler, I feel like you would just kind of treat it normally. Okay. So I think that's probably what they're gonna end up doing is not really disclose what the truck looks like or or like the reason why it's not gonna be so mass spread and why it's not gonna be like such a really big thing of importance is so that it's naturally integrated and people feel a lot more safe and comfortable around it. Um but yeah, I mean, anytime you deal with an 18-wheeler, it gets a little dice here because you are dealing with so much weight in such a big vehicle versus just something like another Waymo car or something like a really small delivery bot. If it messes up, I mean it's like not really that big of a deal. Um, but I mean, Waymo's themselves were just barely rolled out on a highway. So to kind of see that they're taking that step is is interesting. Um I wonder if the reason why they feel so safe about it is because they only release them or let them go at certain times of day, which is probably what I would imagine they would do, just so that if there is something like uh uh whatchall, like rush hour traffic, that they're not stuck in the middle of it because it might behave a little weirdly or something like that. But yeah, I would think that if you had them running at like midnight or something, it really wouldn't be a problem, at least to most drivers, because you wouldn't really notice. You just go by it and then because you're at night, you're not gonna drive. Yeah, exactly. Or like really early in the morning because there's already like such a limited number of people that are kind of gonna be on the road that it's it's not that big of a deal. So I don't know. If they're smart about it, it definitely could work. But and I think 200 is kind of like an appropriate um trial period, because if they did any less, then you don't really have like a a good metric on what's happening. And if they did any more, then it's like whoa, whoa, okay, now you're getting a little like out of hand with it.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:46

So I think it's first batch, so it should be interesting to see how they roll it out. I'm assuming they will put loads and stuff because if that's the future, you know, it's sad because that's a major job for lots of people. We have a lot of people in our church that that's what they do as a job is drive, drive delivery, drive a truck, big 18 wheelers, and it's a big skill set.

SPEAKER_02 1:46:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:03

So for that job to be taken away, it's very similar to that turn of the century thing when cars came online in the 1900s. Um, you know, suddenly carriage drivers and horse people that take care of horses and all this stuff, it all that stuff shifted. You know, the people who clean up behind the horses and the people who feed the horses, all those jobs went away. Yeah suddenly, and you had to replace them with other jobs. That's what the petrol station, and that's the you know, these other people. So it'll we'll have that same shift happen as these things kind of come online. So that'll be very, very interesting. Uh in alignment with that, you just brought it up. Waymo, they've been in the Phoenix market for a long time, they've been in Vegas, a couple other markets, but they are rolling out, just launched in Dallas, Houston, San Antonio, and Orlando. So Waymo is going. It's taking off and going. It's like gonna be ubiquitous pretty soon in all the major cities. So very interesting to see Arizona's on the front end of all this tech stuff. Obviously, we have T you know TC TMSC. Is that right? Did I say that right? T SMC? TSMC. Yeah. They have the big chip factory here. We have a bunch of you know, Intel we've had for a long time, and these other big pieces, there are a bunch of them are coming online here as well. And so for that to happen, you know, Waymo's been here a long time. Yeah, for sure. Between us and San Francisco and some other places. So we're kind of on the front end of that. We've been the first ones with drones. A lot of these cities also implemented drones, and so you see a lot of that stuff happening too, which is pretty interesting. But it's gonna be everywhere, man. Yeah, yeah. Hey, tell tell about your experience. Did you tell us on the podcast about your experience? No, not on the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:25

I think I just told you. So I was just in a Waymo, uh, I want to say like a week, week and a half ago. It was pretty cool. I took one at like midnight, so there really weren't any drivers on the road, but it was it was pretty dope. Like you just put in what location you're at, and it has like pre-designated stops because it can't go in a certain location. So like I was in I was at my friend's apartment complex, so it just pulled into like this little roundabout where you would like put in the gate code and it just like parked there for a minute. And I think you have like a three-minute grace period um where the car shows up, you can get in the car, you press like an unlock button on your phone, and then it unlocks on the or the actual car unlocks, and then you can sit anywhere you want. So you can sit in the driver's seat, but you just can't touch anything or else it'll start to go like haywire on you. Um, so I just sat in the passenger seat and like filmed and kind of just was like taking in the whole thing. It was pretty cool. You can um control like your music if you want to put like a radio station on, you can do that, but you can't sync up Bluetooth. I think the reason why they do that is just because of how many people they have come in and out. So there'd be like an issue with connection or how many devices are loaded on the the car, et cetera, et cetera. But I mean it's a Jaguar body, so it's pretty nice. Like you get the convenience and the luxury of like being able to lay back, enjoy like leather seats and stuff. Um, and when it drops you off, you just like confirm that you end a ride, and then like after you make sure that you have everything, the car will stay unlocked for a while. And then I think you have like it's like five minutes to make sure that you have everything, that everybody's out of the car. Um, and just that you have all your possessions on you, and then you relock the car, and then it can go on whatever route it needs to after that. So it's pretty cool, yeah. Like I would I would definitely do it again. Uh, I mean it is like decently expensive, but I mean it's definitely a better alternative than having like a bunch of people that are that might be like slightly, I don't know, like labor or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:08

Park their car at their friend's apartment and get their car sewed.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:11

Yeah, maybe something like that.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:13

I don't know. I mean, there's no reason he was actually taking the suit.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:15

No, no, no, no, but wasn't at the directive of his parents or anything. No, but yeah, the it was pretty cool. Like it, yeah, I don't know. I would definitely do it again. I felt safe, but I'm also kind of more in like a city type of environment. If you took one out here, it'd be a little different. But there's also I th I feel like there's less drivers out here.

SPEAKER_01 1:49:33

Yeah, I haven't seen them out here. It's more like in the center of town.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:36

I don't know where they would keep them. I think the only possible spot that you could have is like a factory or like a warehouse that they all sit at and then kind of just like go from there. But I don't really think there's a big market for here. Definitely downtown Phoenix, definitely Tempe. Um, it makes sense in like Or uh in like Orlando and definitely Houston and uh Dallas as like somebody that's been through Dallas, dude. You need to drive everywhere over there. It's it's terrible. Drive everywhere. No, I know. But it's yeah, I mean, it's probably just going to become like something that's ruled out in a bunch of cities. I'm waiting for a really big um city to kind of like be big on Waymo, like NY or LA, because I know like they've ran them in San Fran and things like that, but until we really see like a big city get behind it, I I think it'll kind of just be I mean towards all these. We're number six.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:22

Yeah, Dallas is number four. All right, well, the greater Dallas. Houston is five. So I mean, dude, they're going up the list. I mean, the Chicago, New York, LA, that's the last thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:50:31

I know. As soon as they hit two, I think they'll kind of like still cement themselves as like, oh yeah, this is legit. And there's like no control.

SPEAKER_01 1:50:40

I think that this move, if it's successful in Texas, it's successful. Full stop. Florida and Texas, that's successful. Yeah. Because they'll run, they'll run Miami, right? Miami's behind us, but they'll run in size. They'll run Miami, they'll run these other places, and then that's a wrap. And that'll be that'll be kind of the future of that. And then it'll be Tesla fighting them for the auto for the for that market. Yeah. Because they're gonna roll out the the ones without drive without the steering yoke, and you could sit in all the seats of the car, and it just automatically goes where you want it to go. Whereas the Waymo is still a jaguar that they've kind of they've they've retrofitted, yeah. So as a steering wheel and stuff. Whereas in the future, they're gonna not have anything. Yeah. Even in even in those. They're not gonna have anything at all. Yeah, it'll be wild. So it'll be really interesting to see those things running and off to the races. So I thought it was interesting. I wanted you to share your perspective because I knew that you'd just been in it, and that's pretty cool to check out and see what it's like. You know, I haven't interacted with them because the friends are getting in and out of them, and I was like, oh, this is crazy. So I've got to stick your head in there and check it out. Uh, you and I were at a golf event not too long ago, uh, and we pulled into the parking lot, which had three Waymos stuck in the parking lot driving around trying to get out because they didn't know how to exit. It was like uh people we had gone to a good good golf event that was happening after um the waste management. And so we went to waste management and then we went over to good good golf, and so it's at a different thing in Tempe. So we moved from Scottsale to Tempe and drove over there. Once you got over there, we were looking for a parking space and we knew wow, we might be stuck here. So we drove uh we ended up parking on the you ended up parking on the um the driving range, is where you end up parking because they needed overflow. But they people got dropped off by Waymo's and the Waymo's are just trying to figure their way out, dude. But it's not a normal parking lot, so it's not mapped. Yeah, so they're just trying to get out of there, and now the other Waymo's are blocking the other Waymo. Yeah, I don't know how they got out of it. If they had to get somebody on a controller to get out of there or what for sure. Wow, pretty crazy. Along those lines, there was a guy who recently uh went, he wanted to try and hack his robot vacuum. I don't know why, but he used Claude. We talked about Claude. He got it Claude and loaded to Claude, bought this like really expensive bougie uh vacuum. It's uh based in a China company. Um, but then he hacked it and ended up not just driving his robot, he ended up driving 7,000 of these cleaning robots. He ended up acting hacking them and getting access to drive them. I think it was with his PlayStation controller. What was it? Yeah, whatever it was. Angus, you can speak to it. You have one of these things.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:58

Yeah, he I uh I have one which uh I've thought about this this possibility and stuff, and it's uh so I actually turned mine off and let it discharge and as soon as you heard that he acted. Well, no, I had already done that because I saw that uh that these I once I saw the way that these things map your house and stuff, uh you know that it's very easy for them to to just key into your device. Uh so I've I've been pretty cautious about it. But yeah, this guy he was trying to hook it up so he could control it with his PlayStation. Right. Uh and when he got in, it wasn't just that he could control them, but he could access all of the cameras in all of these in all of these homes. So um thankfully this guy was honest about it and he reported it, so they fixed the glitch. But uh, but yeah, he was able to to see into all these people's homes and all of that stuff because it's what you're it's what you give your yeah, he could have been a straight creeper, man.

SPEAKER_01 1:53:51

I'm super glad that he was not that guy. Yeah, which is pretty rare that a guy can hack in and then still has morals. Yeah. So there's a piece of that. That's a really interesting idea. But yeah, uh, yeah. So be aware, anything that has cameras can be looking at you whether or not you like it. So be attent pay attention where you put your cameras at.

SPEAKER_02 1:54:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:54:09

I know we have some cameras, we have cameras outside of cameras, we have inside cameras, but our inside cameras are only in places that are like um like family rooms, stuff like that, not any any per not any bedrooms, not any bathrooms, nothing like that. Because we don't want that to be a thing. We don't want that to be an issue. And we don't have any movable cameras anywhere that they could view into a bathroom. So we have stable cameras that are that because we have some that can move, you can move it with your phone and kind of spin it around, and it'll kind of do you know, you can get a a like a 360-degree view. So you don't want to put that in any place where they can constantly look in any spots. So try to keep uh keep all the all the creepers at bay. You know what I mean? Yeah. Hey, we talked about uh the we talked recently about a drone drive driving thing where people took a uh an industrial-sized drone, they cut out the basket in it, and they got into the drone and were flying it around. Well, uh a company called Jetson, yes, Jetson, they actually have made these personal rideable drones and they are now racing them against each other and flying them in a course. Have you guys seen this?

SPEAKER_03 1:55:12

Oh, it looks so cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:13

It does look cool. It looks like if you crash, you super dead.

SPEAKER_03 1:55:16

Yeah, yeah. Well, and I'm curious about like the legality of it and what what sort of licensure do you have to have, and like where can you operate these things? And you know, because uh man, for the first time I'm starting to see few flying cars in our future. I'm pretty excited about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:33

Yeah, pretty crazy to just like jump in, jump in your dealer, fly right over the traffic, but then dude, you're gonna everyone's gonna shortcut over your house. Oh, yeah. It's good, there's gonna be some crazy rules to this stuff. Yeah, absolutely. Someone, you know, if they're on their phone and they forget and they haven't charged their their thing and suddenly their thing just decides to send on your house. That's like they just end up in your backyard. Like what? You know what I mean? Like crazy ideas.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:54

Javen, you seen this, the the racing Jetsons? No, I'm not. I haven't seen any of that. I've barely even seen the rideable drones as is. I think like that whole concept is kind of crazy to me. But it's yeah, I mean it's for to race in them, that'd be exhilarating, but it'd also be, I mean, it's pretty scary. Like imagine you're literally in a flying object that's going like how fast can they go?

SPEAKER_01 1:56:12

Uh, they didn't, I don't know if I saw that, but they look like a race car. I mean, it's like it has the cockpit like shape, the way you think racing that has that, and it has uh the uh like obviously they levitate, but then they I think they can tilt to make it go forward faster or whatever. Really interesting. That is well, yeah. Very, very interesting. So yeah, that baby got some speed, that'd be really crazy because we see all the racing drones where they put the first person goggles on and they're racing them, and those things zip, dude. They fly. So you know, if they scaled that up, who knows? I mean, obviously, you know, you guys who are more lightweight would probably be zipping through the planet, but yeah, mine would be a little bit more laggered behind, but that's okay. It's okay, still be flying. Hey, uh, one of the things that we also want to talk about here is uh how there are scientists that have been working on some really cool adaptations that aren't necessarily a robot. And one of the cool things we saw was they are making artificial gills. It's like a thing, a mouthpiece you put in that has these long tubes on the side that gets air from the water that you can breathe underwater, which essentially would make diving now a thing where you don't have to have a pack on your back. So, as a diver, as someone who's a certified diver and a deep dive, I've done night dives and wreck dives and all sorts of cool dives in my life. Man, to have the ability to just put something in your mouth the way you see it, like on movies, you know, like with James Bond. Yeah, where he has like the little air thing. I always thought, oh, that's just an air canister, you know, you just breathe in a certain amount of breasts, and they have those. They have like tubes that you can refill, you can be down there for a few minutes. But to have that, where it's actually taking the oxygen from the water, ooh, yeah, that's cool.

SPEAKER_03 1:57:47

That's wild.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:48

That's cool. We're gonna find Atlantis. For sure, yeah. What do you think, Javin? You're not a you're not a big deep water guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:54

Well, I I just haven't really been well, I've never been scooped scuba certified or anything like that. I think I've only gone snorkeling, and that's about right. I was trying to get you guys to go deep. Yeah, did not work. No, no, I'm I'm more interested in it now. I think I really just didn't like the water when I was a kid just because of the whole like sand thing. I don't know why it bothered me so much, but just like the the way that sand kind of like washes up on like on your skin, and I was like, I was I wasn't a fan of it. But now just being at the beach is like really relaxing and I should get in the water. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But um me and Shy living in the water like fish. Yeah, but I mean like when we were in uh whatchamacallit in the corgada or some in the Atlantic this summer in uh in St. Martin, yeah. Like I I was getting in the water like a whole bunch because I just I just enjoyed it. That's true. Um, so I think I I don't know, I've kind of like come around on that just because I I enjoy being out there more, but um, yeah, for sure, it'd be it'd be kind of wild. I think we've had access to that technology for a long time. Um, like as far as military use, they've just haven't disclosed any of it for obvious reasons. Um, but if it comes out commercially, that'd be pretty crazy to be able to buy that. Yeah, it's gonna be a ton of money initially, but I think like eventually they'll probably scale it to the point that like people can't afford it and things like that, and that'd be pretty crazy. I know just turn all the air conditioning off in the house and live in the bottle of the pool.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:11

Yeah, probably. Probably. It's a very dad thing to say. Yeah. Angus, what do you think, man? Would you do it? Were you are you are you guys in the water?

SPEAKER_03 1:59:19

Oh yeah. Well, I was a swimmer. My uh I I ended up in the swimming pool at six months old, learned to swim. So I think that's such a cool idea. Um, I've always thought it would be an incredible invention. Uh, I always figured, well, a fish can do it. You know, there's gotta be a process. Why not us? You know, so uh it's really cool to see that that's that's something now. Um, I would love to to one day experience it. I think it'd be so cool.

SPEAKER_01 1:59:42

Uh same. I mean, just just what I'd be able to do. I mean, just be able to throw that in with some fins and a snorkel, I mean a in a face mask and be able to like just go, dude. So cool. Yeah. And I'm sure there's some stipulation to it on depth and all the other things that that work that way just based on the oxygen of the water. But man, what a cool thing, that concept. Yeah, yeah, very, very neat. Uh, I'm looking forward to it. I really hope that I get to get my hands on it too in my lifetime. It'd be really sweet. So excited on that. Hey, France, the uh France has the CERN reactor. It's uh it's there in in uh kind of southeast France, and we've uh we've been by where they've built it, and it's kind of right there between that and Switzerland, and and that reactor essentially is trying to replicate and smash particles into each other that that simulate uh um kind of the Big Bang and the beginning of the universe, and also um trying to get like replicate the energy from the sun. Recently they reported that they had ran the CERN reactor at at what was the level of the energy of the sun for over 20 minutes, yeah which is a really interesting concept. It's both frightening and encouraging because you're like, okay, well, this is cool because there's they're showing some energy. Obviously, we know the energy of the sun is massive. So if this is somehow now a replacement is clean energy, what a what a concept to have something like this, but also super scary because they don't know what happens whenever they turn this thing on or off for that matter. So that like once they turn it on, they're like, oh, if we turn it off, is it gonna break the whole planet? Yeah, you know what I mean? So really interesting to think about that. Yeah. What do you think?

SPEAKER_03 2:01:10

Well, I I didn't see anything more than really the headline. I didn't read into this, uh, but I'm pretty uh skeptical of just about everything that CERN does just because it has the big god of Sheba and death out front? Yeah, yeah, that's that's part of it. Yeah, that's part of it. Uh some of their uh some of their ceremonies and rituals and things that they do. There's there's just a lot of weirdness that that goes on there. And so I'm uh I don't doubt that they did do that, but for what purpose, what reason, and and what's gonna be the outcome of it. That's what I'm always just kind of a little weary of.

SPEAKER_01 2:01:43

Some of these big ceremonies they do, they are very occultic in nature and symbolic in nature. I mean, it's you're like, I thought you were a science place.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:50

Yeah, and there's a lot of talk of portals and you know, a lot of a lot of things that they're they're doing that uh because I mean they're messing with you know the fabric of of existence is kind of what they're saying. Uh and so I think that there's there's a lot of things that we shouldn't be messing with, and I think that the stuff that they're doing is some of it.

SPEAKER_01 2:02:11

Interesting. Yeah, Jim, you you listened, looked, looked into CERN, are you aware of what CERN is doing? No, I don't want to say that. As a mission, it's a very interesting idea. They are trying to replicate this thing. They've made this massive thing, it's multiple kilometers, the circle, and it's made underground, it's dug out and bore out, and they have this massive thing, and they're spinning these particles and shooting electrons, protons in each other and seeing what's gonna happen with it. It's very interesting as far as that goes. And literally, when they turned it on for the very first time, they weren't sure they weren't gonna blow up the world. They weren't sure what was gonna happen. And there's more than one CERN location, and so it's really interesting. But you're right, people have been reporting opening quote porthole like portals to other places. I'd heard one woman give an interview. She seemed very candid. But it's hard to say because you don't know what she's connected to and nowadays everything AI, but it seemed very legitimate in her conversation that she said I talked to two different people working at two different places that uh do a similar job at both places. She was also in the circle having worked at the main CERN in France. And she said that both peop persons, though they did not know each other, said, Yeah, we've so far identified 17 portals. And you're like, I'm sorry, what? Yeah, into where? Into what exactly. Yeah. Is this dimensions? Is this space and time? Like, what are you saying? You know what I mean? And so can I get some stock tips from the early 2000s? Yeah. You know, it's like one of these things where you're like, okay, you're going back, like what's happening here? So it's hard for us to say, obviously, we're grounded in the truth and faith of what's happening right now and want to be good for what's happening in our life here. But it is interesting to think about like what are these guys doing? What is the ramifications of that? Yeah. You know, um, there's sometimes I think God has blessed us with a block of some of the knowledge spiritually, because it's like, man, if we saw everything as happening in the supernatural, that would be surreal. So are they somehow having some kind of interaction with the spiritual? I don't know. You know what I mean? That's what comes into my mind immediately. So I don't know. Interesting to think about. Yeah. The UK has a laser weapon, always great, lasers. They have a laser weapon that is now used to shoot down drones, and it's said to be able to do so at the speed of light, which is significant. They haven't really indicated exactly how this works, but the report that I saw was that because they they fear drones in such a big way that they are using essentially uh a bigger version of what we've been talking about with mosquitoes. Remember that mosquito shooting down uh lasers? It's essentially like that, where it identifies uh the drone through the rotors and everything else and kind of the the whatever the sonic footprint signature footprint it makes. And so they'd be able to laser those bad boys and just shoot them out. Yeah, and it's so fast the thing can't react to get away from the targeting, which that's insightful. Yeah. Also really kind of frightening a little bit. Because when does the laser stop exactly? Yeah. How does that work? I think we talked a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_03 2:04:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:04:59

It's like that was the funny part about like Star Wars is that you know you had a lightsaber that had some kind of end to the saber for some reason, which if you turned on a real laser, it just goes indefinitely till it hits something. So you'd naturally be carving up everything, you know, hitting planes and so on and so forth. So it is a really thing, interesting thing to think about. Any fears, any thoughts on UK laser thought?

SPEAKER_03 2:05:20

I mean, I think it's great for defense and and all of that, especially where we're gonna be headed in the the the world of warfare. Uh so I think that we'll see that, you know. I mean, it'll be uh kind of like the Iron Dome or anything like that. So I think that we'll we'll see more uh more of that happen. Um, you know, I'd like to see some of it for personal use, to be honest.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:44

Shoot all the shoot all the pigeons off your roof trying to get on your solar.

SPEAKER_03 2:05:47

That'd be great. Well, I mean, if you find yourself under an Amazon uh delivery route.

SPEAKER_01 2:05:53

Like we were talking about before with the In N Out Burger, you'd be able to shoot it down to get a delivery, drop at your house. That's true. You know, one of the things we did see, we didn't put it in this, but one of the things that's rolling out right now is that I think maybe we did talk about this, but it's Walmart has been rolling out drones just like Amazon. So they are now doing that and starting to roll those out from every place. There's a Walmart. They're starting to launch these drones in in cities that allow them to do so. But they're gonna be a direct competition. They've learned from Amazon. Now they're gonna roll it out. So it's really interesting because you see them building them up everywhere where they're starting to roll these things out and fly the delivery just to you, just like Amazon. So they're gonna be a direct competitor, but they are everywhere, they're not just on the fringe where a lot of the Amazon warehouses are. No, these are like right in the middle town.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:33

So that should be really insightful.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:34

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to the noise pollution that comes as a result of that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 2:06:38

That's true. That is true. I wonder if that'll become like a major issue.

SPEAKER_03 2:06:42

Yeah, well, and I I unfortunately, if we're not hearing anything about legislation beforehand, we're gonna we're gonna be on the back end of it. True. You know, and so um that's what I see is if if there's not something that designates pathways and all that, but when they're delivering to a house, then they're gonna have to come into neighborhoods. And so it's just gonna be ridiculous. Uh, you know, there's gonna have to be quiet hours and and things like that, I think. But um, you know, if we don't regulate beforehand, we're gonna have we're gonna have to rely on our politicians to do the right thing once the corporations have already set the tone.

SPEAKER_01 2:07:14

You mean the politicians that get elected by getting donations from corporations? Yeah, yeah. Okay, good. Same people? Okay, wonderful. Yeah. One of the other C's we talk about is community, and one of the focuses we've had here has been talking about a future family. Well, that's being one that's focused on the things of God to see the future of our family thrive. Talking about a lot of different a attributes there, but one of the things we talked about recently was not being fake. And I would say, man, one of the challenges I've seen the most in my life as a Christian, especially growing up as a pastor's kid, was I saw a lot of fakeness. And I'll say first and foremost in my own life, in that I was someone who, you know, I I would put on a face um that as if I was living a righteous life or a pious life, and I wasn't. You know, I was like doing these things that were kind of I would have been ashamed for ashamed for if if the people at church knew about it living a totally different life with other people. And so it was one of those things where you didn't want your you could never invite a person to church because your your non-church friend knows how you're living, and your church friend expects you to be a totally different person. And so our challenge to all of us is to not live a fake life, to not be fake, but instead be fierce after the things of God. Guys, what do you think, man? The plasticity of sometimes Christian Christian world can get can be a little bit fake, huh?

SPEAKER_03 2:08:26

Absolutely. Well, you know, before I became a Christian, I I kind of prided myself on the fact that I was a chameleon. You know, being in theater, that I could fit in with this group and this group. And so I had uh I didn't realize how fragmented I was because I had this group of friends and this group of friends, and um I never wanted those groups to meet because I was a different person with each of them, just because I fit in differently. Um, and so not only is it that exhausting, but it's uh it's not easy to to uh to maintain. And so um coming into a Christian life and and realizing that you don't have to do that, um it can be a process to consolidate back into one person and and everything, but it's it's definitely worth it. Right. And um man, it's so much easier to just not have to remember who you are wherever you're at based on location.

SPEAKER_01 2:09:20

Such a good point, man. I love that. Javin, what about you, man, about like plastic Christianity and and the the inauth this inauthenticity that sometimes we see in our community.

SPEAKER_00 2:09:30

Yeah, I mean, plastic plasticity is such a difficult thing because I I feel like the temptation a lot of the times, and it's not just for like new believers or people that like um like just come into the church and are kind of gaining their footing, but especially for people that have been going there for a long time, right? Kind of fall into this cycle that it's like, okay, this is just the norm. Like I you kind of go through the motions every single time you go to church, like it's like monotonous almost. Um, and because of that, people kind of lose the spark that they have uh in their personal relationship with Christ. And so they they kind of just start doing whatever because they kind of lose sight of what they're really going for. Um, and in that they just kind of act one way outside of church, and then once they get back to church, they're like, Okay, yeah, I know exactly how to do this, like going through the motions. Almost like you're doing a job. Right. So it's very interesting, and I I think um that's such a hard thing. And I know like for pastors, kids, this has um not only been something that's been like difficult for me, but for other people as well, is because like we hear the same messages over and over and over again, like so many times. Right. It's like you're just you at some point you feel bogged down by all of it that you actually like lose sight of just how deep and how um important and how insightful the messages that are being given actually are, and how vivid and real the words of the Lord like truly are. You just kind of like bog it down as more church jargon, which is it it's a really saddening thing, but it's also like at some point it just feels somewhat inevitable. Like we go through these seasons of like where you really feel on fire for God, and then other seasons where you feel like you're just kind of waiting and like being idle and doing whatever. So I mean, it's definitely it's definitely a spiritual check for every single believer that comes into the church to continue to fan that flame and just be really intentional with the way that you see God. But yeah, definitely like as far as plasticity knows. Um yeah, yeah, that's been my experience with it.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:19

That's right. No fake friends, no fake family, no fake faith. We're called to be those that are fierce after the things of God and not fake. The Lord help us.

SPEAKER_03 2:11:27

Amen.

SPEAKER_01 2:11:28

Uh, one of the things we talk about is the C's is competence and looking to close out this book, Winning the World in Your Mind. Uh powerful book. I really love it from Pastor Craig Rochelle. One of the things he talks about here is revive your soul, reclaim your life. I really like his point there and reviving your soul, reclaim your life. He's talking about soul care in this instance. And Angus, you had a chance to go through this book with me. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_03 2:11:52

Yeah, uh this one, uh, as hard as it is to admit, this one's a this one's a tough one uh for me. Um because It as somebody who serves and all of that, it's very easy to get forward focused and to be to be so busy doing the ministry that you forget that you need to be ministered to and things like that. And so this was uh I remember when we read it, this was one that I had a difficult time with uh just because I I recognized that um I'm not very good at this. Um just because I got used to uh running and just running and running and running, that um, you know, after a while you don't realize that you're tired, you just keep going. Yeah. Um and um and one of the recurring themes of my life is that that happens, and I I end up in a place where I'm not taking care of myself in the way that I should, and then I end up tired and exhausted and bitter or angry or whatever complaining. And then Lord goes, Well, you did this to yourself. It's you know, it's kind of your fault. Uh and he has to put it to me that way, and then I rectify it. And um, you know, the the problem is I just have to get it to sink and really uh do it routinely. I need to make it a part of who I am so that uh so that I can do it.

SPEAKER_01 2:13:10

And I'll give you more credit than you're giving yourself right now, and that you are a very insightful person and someone listening to the Holy Spirit of God to challenge your life. So I will say that about you as a friend and as a colleague. Um, but I I I understand the challenge, the challenge to be those who are a vive and do that. There's a thing that our our network of churches is doing actually coming up right now, uh, and they're they call it the Desert Fathers, and where they go away for a few days. They were going to the desert and camping, then they were going kind of to glamping, now they're kind of going to like a resort area, but uh but they're it's still the same uh purpose is that they're gonna still go and sit out towards the edge of the desert and do these things. And so the places they're choosing are still very focused that way. And the challenge is no phone, no no TV, no streaming, like quiet your heart, quiet your soul, quiet your s your your who you are to listen to what God is doing. And then I I wanted to go to that, but I was too busy. Which is very telling of my own to to talk about back to the revived side. It's very telling my own my own pattern. But I will say last year I felt slapped by the Holy Spirit to be like, what are you doing? You're running, you know, burning the candle bolt ends, you're gonna burn burn out. And so I really felt a challenge to ki to step back and to do some things, and I've been a lot more intentional the last few months, very thankful for that, for that reason. Because I'm like, no, I need to in being someone who pours out often, I need to be someone who is taking in more than I'm pouring out, yeah, or else you're gonna not gonna stay refreshed. Yeah, and so there was definitely a season where I was pouring out and I was below the halfway mark. Yeah and I'm like, this is not healthy, yeah. So it's gotta be different. So the Lord has the Lord is faithful, always faithful, always there. It's whether or not we're open to what he wants to do in reviving our soul. Yep. Javen, what do you think, man? Revive your soul.

SPEAKER_00 2:15:01

Uh I totally relate with what both of you have said as far as like the idea of of like kind of just feeling like you're like running and running and running that you don't really know how to stop. Um, especially like junior and senior year of high school, it felt like because my life was starting to become more busy and I like assume more responsibility, which like now I'm just like, okay, yeah. Like back then I didn't really have comparison is different. Yeah, exactly. But like in the moment, it definitely feels like you're gaining, yeah, like you're gaining a lot more. Um during that time, it just kind of felt like I would just have to do everything that I did during the week. And then as soon as I kind of hit the weekend, it was like, okay, I'm serving both services, and that's how it's gonna be. That's how it was for me for almost like four, five years straight, basically since like end of eighth grade, beginning of ninth grade. That's how it always felt for me. Um, so I was just used to like serving all the time that it it got to a point where like any time that I like I didn't need to serve, which was like extremely rare during that time, but anytime I didn't need to serve, I would just be chilling in service on it. It would feel like almost wrong to me. Like I didn't know how to be there or how to be present because I was so used to doing like to just kind of what you guys are saying, like pouring out that there was nothing that or that I felt like it was hard to receive again, which is really interesting. Um, I've heard Griffin McGrath talk about this because we were at like a PK retreat. I think it was like a junior. So during this, during this time, um, he was giving a very similar analogy to what Angus was saying, but he was saying it from the perspective of like a cup. If the Holy Spirit is filling you, like when you're attending church and receiving the word that he gives you, you're instructed to then serve other people and pour that out. But it needs to be a constant process because if you're just serving, at some point you're not really pouring anything out, you're just going through the motions. Um, and yeah, for for me that was so difficult. It was like, especially as soon as I started college and I wasn't always going here and like sort of checking out these other churches, it was interesting because I was like, oh, it feels really weird for me to like actually be here and to be somebody that's seeking to receive rather than like like my my immediate instinct was like, oh, what the heck? I'm like not running a camera, I'm like not running lights or sounds for anything that's doing it. Yeah, so I was like, oh dude. And I mean, yeah. And nobody on comms telling you something. Exactly. So it feels kind of strange, and I think uh it definitely needs to be a give and take process, and it really is the Holy Spirit checking you and being like, okay, you really need to lock in and like understand why I'm having you like slow down, like with what you're saying, like a week without walls where like you have nothing that's bounding you from just receiving what God wants apart in your life. So that's something that I struggle with as well. And I think, yeah, it's it's so important to just constantly replenish that soul care.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:32

I think it's why we start out the we we, you know, we did the beginning this year, and I'm very thankful for it. But being intentional to do 21 days of fasting and prayer, I think it helps you reset, helps to do that very thing, refresh you, revive your spirit, uh, revive your soul. Thankful for that. So really good challenge from Pastor Craig on that.

SPEAKER_03 2:17:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:17:50

One of the other books we're talking about is Dream Big by Bob Gough. And he one of the things he's talking about is have a dream that you're is aspirational and you're going towards. And a really interesting idea, he's talking about understanding of where you've come from, understanding where you are, understanding where you want to go. And one of the challenges he says here is to set absurd expectations. The idea is to have a dream that's bigger than you, because if it's attainable by you alone, then it's not a guy-sized dream. And so there's a piece of that that I really appreciate. Have you ever had an absurd expectation or absurd um dream that's bigger than you?

SPEAKER_03 2:18:24

Oh yeah. Yeah. Uh that's uh one of the things that um when when I first became a pastor, one of the things that we do is we go to what's called the dream conference. And uh that's really a big part of it is getting pastors to dream for something bigger than themselves so that they can uh have kingdom-sized dreams and and do kingdom-sized things here on earth. Um, and so um, so that's one of those things. I spent the first several years of my ministry praying, and so the Lord gave me a big dream. And um, so uh I've kind of stalled out in the pursuit of it, but it's one of those that uh that I still it's still there. I still want to accomplish it at one point.

SPEAKER_01 2:19:03

Praise the Lord.

SPEAKER_03 2:19:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:19:04

Uh I mean I have a I've been a part of that, and we take our team to it. Our team's going this year to Dream Conference. Very thankful for Luke Barnett, for Pastor Tommy Barnett, for the whole crew that puts that on, and I have a lot of friends that are on staff there, and very thankful for them. They open up their church, they they have all their different leaders who are over their area speak to different things. We've talked about things I wanted to learn from that we didn't know. We had a lot of tech stuff that we learned from them, uh, just having insight on what to do, what not to do, you know, understanding our scale versus what how much things cost, and just really good. So I was very thankful for that. Um, a lot of uh of them pouring out into other people. So that was a really positive thing. Uh Jensen Franklin, we've heard from all sorts of people. We heard Charlie Kirk when he was still with us, we heard challenging word from him, and I both agreed and disagreed with Charlie and some of the stuff he was saying, just simply because he's not a pastor, he's speaking to pastors about what they should do from his perspective, having not been one. So it's really interesting. And I told my team, so I was like, listen, this is a political pundit. Yeah, he's a Christ follower, but he's political in his nature. So his whole frame of reference is through politics. Whereas ours is is different, our main focus is to connect people to Jesus. So our main focus is always going to be that. And so it was really interesting for us to kind of understand that you can both agree and disagree with a person simultaneously, and that was the case with that and others, but man, what a challenge! Because he's talking about big concepts. And you know, Pastor Luke talking about big concepts. Obviously, Tommy, for years and years of being the pastor of uh Phoenix First Assembly, now Dream City. Um, man, what a great, what a great challenge. So I'm thankful for that idea to have absurd expectations. We've talked about that here, uh, you know, coming into the seat, talked about recently on the podcast. I've been here five years as a lead pastor of the church. And in doing so, you know, the vision, the values, those things are are pieces that I need to steward and I need to be for, you know, forecasting and and essentially encouraging other people to to join with us in those pursuits. Uh we talked about how, you know, when we were just a smaller number of people, how we wanted to uh grow to the the point that we needed two services, and then we grew to that point we saw it happen. Then we wanted to grow and see uh the expansion of the balcony, and and a year ago we were able to see those things come to come to fruition a little bit over a year ago. And that's been powerful. And then now it's to see and plant more campuses, more churches, and that's still in our vision. And those are big steps, each one of those big steps. But God is faithful and want to see that happen. I want to see us have a bigger global impact. I want to see a lot of these things happen, and I'm very thankful that the Lord gives us that dream that's not possible by ourselves. We have to do it collectively, we have to do it alongside him. Yeah, it's his vision in our heart. So that's uh I really like that from where Rob's Bob's talking about. Javen, how about you, man? Big dream? Something that you want to see accomplished?

SPEAKER_00 2:21:39

I don't know. I've I think for me, everything's just kind of been I've been taking it like incrementally. I think if there's anything big, it's been like, oh, what like aspirationally do you do you want to be? I mean, when I was a kid, I was like, oh, I want to be a soccer player, oh I'm like want to do XYZ. Um, but no, I I think like right now I'm definitely in the period where I I'm kind of looking at everything on like a smaller scale understanding, like the steps I need to take in order to prepare myself to be in a situation where the Lord can use me in whatever facet he would need. It's good because uh when you're well equipped, you can do what you need. But if he calls you and you're not ready, very similar to what we've been talking about so much with the um with the 10 virgins, then it's like the people that didn't have oil for their lamps, they're just kind of like left in the dark, literally. Yeah. So it's like you need to be prepared like for what he has for you. And I think I'm I'm just kind of in that season where um just stay true, stay faithful to what he would have me to do, so that when I do receive like a vision or I I feel something in my heart like that I need to like fully put my effort towards that's greater than myself, then I just I'd be ready to do it. So it's awesome, man.

SPEAKER_01 2:22:44

I love to hear you say that's encouraging to me as a pastor, but more specifically as your dad to hear you say that you want to hear listen to the the heart of God and to go after the plans of God. Really great. Really, really great. If I was gonna choose for you, I would want you to be the president of Venezuela so that we can take over the sources too. I'm just kidding. But that we could have a really dope Venezuelan daughter-in-law that loves Jesus. I know she's not Colombian, so she's not a Christian Shakira, but Venezuelan, also awesome. So hey, um, man, a lot of great stuff that we talked through today. A lot of crazy stuff today. One word to leave the podcast.

SPEAKER_00 2:23:23

Is it me again? Sure. Okay, I said sorry, it just got quiet again. I'm gonna go uh authenticity.

SPEAKER_03 2:23:29

Compassion.

SPEAKER_00 2:23:30

And I'm gonna say dream.

SPEAKER_01 2:23:32

Thanks so much for joining with us and being a part of the collective. Much love to you, wherever you are.