META GLASSES AS SPYWARE?! | CRNRSTN Collective - Episode 26

In this episode, the host, J, along with co-hosts, Angus, Javan, and Gage, discuss the testimony of a Catholic priest on Shawn Ryan in explaining the ritualistic power behind Satanic ceremonies and how they infiltrate Catholic church clergies. The trio also look at the recurring issues of symbolic images of satanism and evil spiritual worship seen in things like the Epstein files, now with confirmed connections to lots of government and congress officials in the US as well as Hillary Clinton's connections with it. They also look at some of the declarations of faith by athletes like Justin Fields and men like Samuel Leeds buying up abandoned churches with the hopes of restoring the congregations. The group also looks at the arrival of AI models that seem to be revolting against their programmers and ones that are able to solve previously impossible problems. They also review the implementation of robotics within US transportation with Amazon's Zook cars and China's robot soldiers now trained to shoot. Lastly, the trio talks about the importance of walking with a commitment to Christ for everyone's future family and how perspective and dreams help shape the way you live your life.



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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hello, friends, and welcome to the Cornerstone Collective. My name is Jay Brown. Your host with me today is Gage Lee. What's up? As well as Angus McLeod. Hey, hey. And Javen Brown. Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Hey, we're talking about the intersection of Christ and culture. We want to jump off with the scripture this morning in Romans 3.23. I'm asked Angus to read it for us.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

I had it right there. I know you did. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3.23.

SPEAKER_03 0:26

That's true. That means that every single one of us is in need of a savior. Every single one of us has fallen short. And so none of us are perfect. All of us need to come to God. Hey, we talk about seven Cs here of commitment, community, communication, competence, creativity, compassion, and celebration. We're starting out with commitment to Christ and talking about some interesting things who've been already been a theme for us quite a bit, uh, talking about the spiritual realm and more specifically about um spiritualism, about spirits and things like that. Angus, you've seen a little bit of this about um Catholic Exorcist. We've talked about it as we've prayed for people to see them find freedom. Did you get a chance to check and see the Catholic Exorcist on Shine Ryan?

SPEAKER_00 1:05

No, I I haven't seen that one yet. What uh what was it about it?

SPEAKER_03 1:08

Man, really interesting. Obviously, Catholics have a lot of rituals and things like that. This man, him and others in in kind of in the collective that they're a part of, they are active in um in helping people find freedom from spiritual from from demon possession, from demon oppression, from a lot of things that are happening there. And so it's really interesting. He's talking about how Satanists are taking these Catholic ceremonies. Many of them have or were Catholic priests. I know, Javen, you've seen a piece of that where a guy who was a Satanist said he became a Catholic priest and a Masonic 33-level person to become a satanic priest, which is a really interesting thing. So what what do you think about that? About the understanding of like how they're taking something meant for good and honoring God to twist it.

SPEAKER_00 1:51

Well, I mean, that's exactly what Satan does with just about everything is he takes something that was meant to honor God or that that is meant for one purpose and turns it to anything, you know. So that's where we see a lot of the stuff in uh Eastern religion and and medicine and and all of that kind of stuff. Yes. Uh we're also seeing though, what's what's really interesting is across a lot of podcasts, you're seeing a lot of those uh people who were Satanists and and stuff, and they're coming out of that and they're sharing their experience. And so um what I think is interesting is because it it's not an attack on the Catholic faith or anything like that, but it is you know, it's saying that there are there are some of these ties here, and uh and so people kind of bristle up against that, but uh be when it's when it's uh conjecture, you know, you bristle up against it, and and then you have to have kind of a different reaction once you start hearing the truth from the other side that you know this is really stuff that's actually happening.

SPEAKER_03 2:50

Right. They were going into becoming a Catholic priest with the intention to do that for satanic power.

SPEAKER_00 2:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:55

Javen, you saw an interview with this, actually sent me one that I had actually dialogued about before. Um, what was your perspective of him telling his testimony about that?

SPEAKER_01 3:02

Yeah, it's interesting. I've seen um things about that before about how a lot of people that are looking to get into the satanic order or into like high levels of Freemasonry will have to go and become Catholic priests or like I think specifically a part of the Jesuits in order to implement themselves in a place of power, but also to understand ritualistically, like you guys are talking about, um, just the level and operation that spiritual power has, like to some of these higher degrees that's been intertwined throughout culture, and also so that they have more access to documents and things like that that they otherwise wouldn't. Um, it is very interesting because it's it's not to say that all Catholicism or all Jesuits are inherently evil and nothing like that. Yeah, of course, but there definitely is a level of infiltration that we've seen, just like there is a uh within politics and things like that. So it is really interesting to see that a lot of these Satanists are coming out and confirming things that we see um with like Old Testament witchcraft and like things in relation to uh Solomon and like some of his practices, how those documents that otherwise within modern day Protestantism and things like that would just be disregarded are being traced all the way back now and are being kind of revived by a bunch of these people that are coming out and saying, No, this is very much a real thing. And within the Western world, people at the highest levels are operating under under influences by that. So I think we're gonna start to see a resurgence of an intertwinement between the spiritual and the physical instead of it just being kind of one way or the other, as the Western world likes to say it is. Uh it's been it's been very interesting, and I think the more that we can recognize this pattern, the more that it uh kind of prompts us to fight it in the future.

SPEAKER_03 4:42

It's true, Gage. We were talking about a little bit about Solomon and wisdom and understanding and things like that. But interesting to see how, you know, as Solomon, he had this knowledge from God that we clearly see in scripture, the narrative that's there is he took the throne from his father David. He is given this impartation of wisdom beyond all others by the Lord. But then he uses it for himself eventually, after he builds the temple for the Lord, builds a house for himself, he goes and starts to use this for himself. So he takes all these wives, starts to establish things for them to worship, and then he starts to go into this mysticism, which essentially is darkness, it's evil power on the dark side. And essentially, Ecclesiastes spells that out for us and how he's like, Well, you search after all these things and try to have the fulfillment of every bit of power wind. Exactly. So, what's your take? It's interesting him talking to a Navy SEAL hardcore CIA, you know, pipe hitter about spiritual things.

SPEAKER_04 5:29

Man, it's so crazy. Uh I I've I've always felt kind of funky whenever, especially before I got into my relationship with Christ, from the outside looking in, you know, I saw so much corruption that you know, just from different perspectives of people's experiences and you know, church hurt, it it all kind of trickled down from I look at it and I think, you know, there's there's good and there's evil. And it's just like you had said earlier, Angus, you know, the enemy will take these things that God had intended for good and he'll try to distort them, right? He came to light to lie, kill, and destroy. So, I mean, it's it there's no question that we have it going on, right? Especially from the testimonies of people recently. Um, but honestly, I think it's so cool that Sean Ryan is putting this stuff out there from people who are, you know, at such calibers of recognition and like, you know, they're um what's the word? They're uh um like their level, their platform, they're famous. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right, they're accredited, right? You know, so like they have some validity in the things that they say and the facts that they're coming with, they can back them up. Yeah, which is so awesome. The different perspectives that he's bringing in from all these different people, and you get to shed the light on a lot of these crazy places that people have like, you were a conspiracy guy before, right? But now you're just the guy who's like, Well, there's another one. Yeah, there's another one.

SPEAKER_03 6:50

Yeah, yeah, it's exactly right. Like, to your point, and they're you know, they're being said all the time. It's interesting with talk with Sean Ryan, obviously, he comes out of um that you know, uh Navy SEAL CIA, implementer guy background. So people gravitate towards that and to understand that. And then he, as his his narrative coming to faith has really shifted, he's starting to bring these people on, talk about faith. He had Wes on Wes Hufka on, he had uh these other guys are dialoguing about faith, and now has this guy coming on and sharing about what it is to be free of demonic, you know, implementation in your life or pressure, and uh and and that was really interesting to see from a Catholic perspective being a Protestant my whole life, although interacting and having a lot a lot of friends that are Catholic. In fact, when we lived abroad, many people calling me father because they didn't have a reference for pastor other than calling me father. So though they had met my wife and kids, they still called me father, and I didn't try to correct them, you know. I just was like, hey, and pray a blessing for them. But amazing to see kind of that narrative come out of this stuff and talking about the understanding of that, yes, this is what it's tied back to. And to Javon's point, how it goes all the way back to that Solomon connection, which is you know Old Testament for us. And so we see this, you know, Angus's point in a previous podcast, nothing's new under the sun, to quote Solomon himself, but how each one of those is one of those implements that we see that's being rolled out this way. So very interesting top 10 podcasts talking about spiritual things and about from a Christ perspective. So great, pretty powerful. Yeah, pretty powerful, pretty amazing. Um, Epstein Files, you've been seeing it at all?

SPEAKER_04 8:19

I've I've seen some of the scratches along the surface. Uh I've been trying to refrain from like super deep digs because I feel like it's one of those rabbit holes where like then you become that guy for sure. But if there's anything to be that guy about right now, it's Jesus and the corruption of the world. You know what I mean? So I'm trying to, I'm just grains of salt, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 8:40

Totally. I I spent a couple hours looking at the uh well, they're still redacted, but files in the Epstein files and the FBI uh releases on the Freedom of Information Act on Hillary Clinton's emails. Uh Angus, you had a chance to look at this Epstein stuff at all?

SPEAKER_00 8:53

I I haven't looked at the actual files and stuff. I've seen a lot of the the videos and and the clips and stuff. I've um you know, and I've I've looked at a little bit of that kind of stuff, but I haven't looked at the actual files. Right. Um but what I have seen, and you know, it's very disturbing.

SPEAKER_03 9:11

It's super dark, super dark. JBo, you've seen some of this stuff. We've dialogued about it a little bit. Of course. Diving into it. Um we talked about recently how Hillary Clinton uh how there were pieces of her emails which referenced what had happened during the Gulf War, and we talked about how there was a possible cover-up of Gilma Gilgamesh and these giants and Nephilim and all these things. That actually came out in her congressional interview where people asked her about Gilgamesh, which, you know, you think, okay, this is another one of those theories, whatever. And that's I went into the docs to make sure that all the stuff we've been talking about before they asked her in Congress about this stuff. Now she's a cold, she's cold, man. She's like, she was, you know, she's a lawyer. She was like a lawyer for Walmart back in the day before she was a politician. She's a gangster in law. So there's no doubt about it. She's got skill set. She locked down. If you watch her, she's almost the same face for hours. So she was just like unfazed by the question. I don't have any knowledge of that. You're like, dum, dum, dum. I was like, bro, you you no flinch, nothing. Like not surprised by the question, not surprised by the question. You know what I mean? I don't know, man. It feels a little bit interesting.

SPEAKER_04 10:18

I feel like that's one of those people who's probably out there with those rituals.

SPEAKER_03 10:22

Man, I really hope not. But it is every people people are making accusation.

SPEAKER_04 10:26

Right. I mean, it's one of those things where like that one of those personalities where you can lock down, especially in cases like that. I mean, it's it's it's not to say that those two are it, you know, correlated. Like if you're stone cold and you're part of a ritualistic thing, but at the same time with the with the track record, right, right, and the things that she was involved in, the people that she was involved with, yeah. I think there's a lot of doors that could be opened and then potentially investigated a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 10:51

Yeah, all the people that that committed you know suicide, we'll throw air quotes on suicide, that committed suicide around them. It's it's very sad. So they're very depressed. The people they're working around are very depressed. There's a long list of people. Long list of depressed people that are rock walk rocking out into the woods.

SPEAKER_00 11:08

A lot of people commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back. It's weird.

SPEAKER_03 11:12

It's a weird thing. Yeah, strange. But it is interesting because uh one, I mean, I still don't understand why so much of these files are redacted. It seems a bit insane. I mean, they're it's all names are mainly redacted.

SPEAKER_04 11:25

Uh you can it's totally clear why they're redacted.

SPEAKER_03 11:28

I mean, obviously, but come on! But if you're releasing it, you're like, dude, release it to release it. Like, let it be a real document. But they're like, oh, we'll do it, and then the heavy marker or heavy, heavy redaction on every piece.

SPEAKER_00 11:38

I understand the names of the victims.

SPEAKER_03 11:40

Um that I agree, but it's not the names of the victims. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 11:43

You know, past that, that's the other thing.

SPEAKER_03 11:46

Yeah, um, I'm not excited about the layers of hierarchy and power that are in these emails and people that have done stuff way after he was already an accused person that had had done these things with underage people, was already accused of those things, and these bankers and these people in power were regularly emailing you know Epstein and all these other pieces there. Man, tough. Javen, you've seen a little bit of this stuff, and what's your what's your take on some of the more documents coming out?

SPEAKER_01 12:11

Yeah, I've seen a bunch of stuff. Um, in the new releases that they've had, a bunch of people have been commenting, like the thing that you were saying about Gilgamesh, my friend, I want to say like a month ago, sent me uh part of an email that Hillary had had that was like in these files. And I didn't I didn't believe it at first. I thought he was just joking, but there's like an excerpt of her saying, Oh yeah, we need to like sacrifice a chicken to Moloch or something like that. Yeah. Exactly. Like that's actually a real thread in those emails. So just kind of to go to like the ritualistic point. And there's also a an alleged video of her with like some other really big um Democratic Party representative back, I think around like 2016, before or possibly even before that, when she before she was running, um, about her doing some like super super dark thing with like a uh they essentially like they like skin a child and like it's it's a whole thing. But right they said all these officers that watched it, uh they said nine out of the 12 of them committed suicide after watching the video because they just couldn't take it anymore. Either that or they were killed for what they saw, one of the two. But um, so there's been a lot of stuff to Gage's point about her involvement within that stuff. But what was also interesting was in new releases of the Epstein files, there is a document dated to the 18th of September in 2001 saying where is the real pilot? And they're talking about where the real pilot was for the 11 attack, right? And there's yeah, there's a whole bunch of stuff that goes with it. That's a whole other thread. Yeah, it's a different thing. But I mean, uh the more stuff that comes out even through this, it it's very apparent that it wasn't as the US government is telling you. When you have two paper passports on the floor that are untouched and undamaged, despite a allegedly a building that was like entirely across the street burning because of the heat damage, and then you have like these two perfectly untouched passports on the floor, then you start asking questions.

SPEAKER_04 14:02

Didn't it like melt steel beams or something? Allegedly it melted steel beams.

SPEAKER_03 14:06

Before we jump down that rabbit hole, I will say so. Going back to the original thing, is that of course these things are still alleged that none of these things have been proven out. And it's easy, I think, to pile onto a person like Hillary because she is kind of that calculated, very, very intelligent kind of, you know, we would say from my perspective of seeing her interaction with people, I would say kind of cold-blooded um person. Like she's very calculated, very much like this. Um I might not be buried to everybody's experience, but you know, it man begs the question. I really hope that she's not active in this stuff. I'm not trying to protect her her character, I just don't know, you know, we don't know the truth of it. But as far as I really hope that that was just like her popping off, like, oh, we should go, you know, sacrifice a chicken, like, oh, we should just like take over Canada, like, you know, someone just saying something to their friend, saying whatever. I hope it's more like that than an actual thing. Because I did see the report we were talking about with the the officers seeing the things and then you know, a lot of them allegedly connected to them killing themselves or being killed or whatever's going on. So it is really scary. Like whenever you start to appeal these pieces back of every every little piece of how this is connected to this, is connected to this, is connected to this, and it seems like the Epstein files and her emails kind of as a collaboration to that, you know, um, are start to unveil that some of this stuff is interconnected, and it seems very much like the tin the tin foil hat people are winning right now in the in the media because it's like a lot more true than not, and you're like, what is going on? Like the Alex Jones is a dude. And I'm like, every time I watch Alex, I watched Alex because I was like, this guy is off his rocker, bro. He's way out. I would I would watch his show, I would watch him like on Joe Rogan or other interviews, and I would just watch inter people interact with him. I watched like comedian Tim Dylan kind of interact with this dude. Hilarious. I mean, obviously, those guys are not coming from faith's perspective at all, but they're like their dialogue is just wild because they would rabbit hole so fast. Yeah, the banter's crazy. Exactly. And so I was like, okay, we need to kind of get this back back logged in and kind of go back to what we know for sure are facts. Um, but yeah, it's so crazy whenever he starts being right on all these things.

SPEAKER_00 16:05

Tinfoil hats are in season right now.

SPEAKER_04 16:07

Man, it's crazy. You know, I I was thinking earlier, like one of the scary like you just mentioned how scary it is. Yeah. How deep this hole goes and the potential of how far the you know the realm of it really is. Yeah. I think one of the scariest things is the lack of fury in our communities at like what we have seen and what has been proven. Right. And so another thing I was thinking about too, right, is like if I go to traffic court and one cop testifies and says, hey, you know, he was doing uh the 45 and a 20. Right. I'm like, all right, here's your ticket. You know, I mean that's it. Yeah. But now you get these people where like how many thousands of emails like directly from this person, yeah, and now they're sitting in court and nothing's happening. Yeah. Nothing's happening.

SPEAKER_03 16:55

There's no rep, there's no like nobody's being reprimanded. They're lawyers to start, so they understand that the evidence has to be there. And unfortunately, everyone around them committed suicide. And so it's unfortunate. Man, there is no no evidence. It drives me up a wall. Of course, of course. It's insane. It makes us like hurt. You know, um, there we talked about it before. There's comedian Ron Funch's very funny bit that he has, famous bit, talking about you don't, you know, yeah, you think that the government's batting a thousand, there's no conspiracy theories? He goes, I'm a father of one son. I lied to that guy all the time.

SPEAKER_02 17:29

Dude, I died laughing.

SPEAKER_03 17:31

That made me laugh so hard. I was like, this guy has figured it out. It's not that every one of these accusations is true. I mean, clearly people are jumping on, and I feel like that's you know, they're taking stuff and scaling it different directions, but there is a truth thread there to what Javen's point is. Like how these things are there are connected this, and it's like, okay, well, explain how these things work. And it's funny how they start to interconnect, and you're like, okay, well, the same people in power. Now, she wasn't in that seat of power at the time, but she's right, she has a reference to it because she because who she be eventually became as Secretary of State. And so, and then obviously as a senator as well. And so it's one of these things where you know her is just one sole person in the greater narrative. Obviously, her husband proven that he was on Epstein Island, all the other things, and Bill Clinton, all these different pieces, but man, it starts to unpack and you're like, ooh, you know, that's a heavy thing to handle.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

Yeah, I mean, like I just think at some point, kind of to what Gage was saying earlier, you really have to like draw a line in the sand because if the church has existed for this long, despite being in different forms and different congregations, the way that it's been split up across 2,000 years or so now, there's no saying that the satanic agenda couldn't have done the same, it just rebrands over time and over political situations, blah, blah, blah, as we cross international borders, etc. So the question begs is like, at what point do we really start to see all these pattern recognitions and go, oh no, surely it's coincidence, or surely like this isn't whereas like I think at some point it's better to point fingers and say, no, this is probably what it is, and rather be, you know, safe than sorry. So I don't I don't know. I like I the more I see about all this stuff, the stuff I really don't or I think people are just kind of jumping on is like a bunch of this flat earth stuff with like the uh with Antarctica being like a portal to like I don't know, a bunch of these other dimensions of like a garth face, whatever it is. Yeah, like that I think is just people kind of going off the rails. But as far as like this idea of Western elites essentially being tied into Satanism like that, or with all these underground tunnels coming out of like the Playboy mansion in LA to a bunch of like these bankers and a bunch of these really big people that was then replicated through Epstein's operation, like it's not out of the realm of possibility at all. From what we've seen historically, it's like Aztec, Mayan, child sacrifice. It's like what the Canaanites did, you know what I mean? So it's just repetition of history. And I think people are afraid to jump at that because of all the labels that we've attached to things like saying, like, oh, you're I don't know, anti-Semitic if you believe this, which uh politicians love using that word. Um, or like or or racist or this or that like bigot. Even when when Candace even when Candace Owens started asking questions about like what Erica was doing, they all called her Satanist. It's like, no, she's just you know what I mean? Like she's putting patterns together.

SPEAKER_03 20:11

So yeah, and it's it's tough because anybody, you know, that's the elevation of being someone who's a popular public figure, is that you start to lose, you know, even legally, you know, you become a public figure, so you're you're essentially com you're it's a common thing to speak about. So you lose a lot of the stuff that would other be defamation. Now, defamation, if they're targeting you, trying to accuse you of something to be a crime, then you can use defamation against them. But for the most part, these public figures, man, is stand out there and just take it because then they don't really have a lot of recourse. But at the same time, a lot of them are doing shady stuff, man, that we're like, okay, this is gonna come unpacked. Angus, you've talked a lot about this, how it's like this is old stuff and a new wrapper.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

Well, and I think that that's the the more I think about it, it it is exactly that. I but what what we have to see is that we're an inflection point. We because the the reason these these things continue to happen is because there's power in it, there's spiritual power in it. Right. And when man finds power, they're not gonna go, ooh, this is let's just put that aside. Nuclear, let's stick with fire. Yeah, yeah. You know, um, and so to to think that people in power would just set it down to and and be benevolent and and all that, that goes against everything we know. Um, and so the reality is is we are living under the condition the same conditions that just about everybody before us has, you know, there's always been corrupt leaders above and but what is it that they do to the you know, what is it that that the people do? We in America are in a in a position uh like like people never before in history have been. And so if if we don't do something, if if a and because America is a leader in the world, if we don't do something, uh if we don't start seeing that justice is served, you know, I mean we're already on the road that Rome was on. Yeah. And so many other things. Ray Dalio, I believe, you know, he talks about just the cycles and things. And so he the the way he's made money is by studying history. Right. And so he studies cycles. And you know, we're in a cycle point and we're at a place now where now we see this is what's been going on and it's there. Right. But what are we going to do with it? As a as a people of God, as as a free people who have the ability to uh to walk that out, what do we do? If we do nothing, um, I think that we just start flipping to the end of the book to see what tomorrow looks like.

SPEAKER_03 22:37

Yeah, that's a great point. And we have, you know, honestly, uh, in the last few days, um, I saw it on two friends on their social media today. They're pastors of churches. Uh, one of them is our our local friend here, Caden. Uh, we're at the White House, right? Uh, and they were there with the vice president, they're with people, and they're having a worship session at the White House, and they're talking about um about how do we do these things, how do we stand up for what's right, how do we have values that are for our family, how do we establish that and fight this corruption, fight this evil that's found its way into our very system of governance. And so I think you guys are right, I agree with all of that and and the concept of us standing up for what we believe, making a stand and being public about it, and calling things that are wrong as wrong to Jamin's point. So I think that's a really good point. Um looking at something uh a little bit interesting is uh as kind of an interface of of media and tech as well as on the uh the other side of our of our faith and our commitment to Christ. Um meta glasses, which are the they you can just say meta and it'll it has a little camera and some other stuff. Now they have the newer version that actually have the you can actually see um like a screen that's there on your glasses. Like a heads up display.

SPEAKER_04 23:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:43

Yeah, and you can hear it through because it has the bone, the the what do you call that? The bone conduction. Bone conduction. So Angus has a pair of those uh ear, the earphones that are like that. And some friends of ours have these glasses, but what we found out was they were using workers in Kenya to review all the footage of your of your glasses. So it came out that it's not just on a server somewhere that actually they're you reviewing it so they can update and make it better for the for the algorithm. But that means they're watching all your footage. So they're watching people do all the things. So it makes me interesting to see think about as a Christ follower, I think it's fine to have the glasses, but do you take your glasses off when you go inside your house? Like what how does that work exactly? So they're not seeing all the inside stuff.

SPEAKER_04 24:24

What do you think? Glasses? Well, I don't know. You if you go out and you buy a pair of glasses that has a camera that you know connects to some server somewhere, right? And you don't sign anything that's like a privacy agreement or anything like that. You're just buying glasses with the trust of what, right? That like you're gonna be the only person seeing this. I think that's kind of wild. I think if you're it's you know, it's if you're gonna write the check, don't be surprised whenever it bounces or gets cashed.

SPEAKER_03 24:50

You know what I mean? That's a good point. Jay, what do you think, man? You get you're on the younger end, like gauge, you guys text everywhere your whole life.

SPEAKER_01 24:57

Yeah, I mean, basically, by living in the Western world, you're kind of signing all your privacy away to these big corporations. Like as long as you touch media in any sense, they know where you live, what you do, what you look like, what your fingerprints are, etc. etc. Like all of your biometrics are being saved basically through everything you do day to day. It's like I so I think people are looking at this and like, oh, they're reviewing my camera footage, but at the same time, like they've had access to your audio for years on end. Yeah. Since like since whenever they invented the telephone. Like, yeah. So there's that, and then we've had like ring cameras forever. Like, they're also watching all your footage, let's be honest. Yeah, like even Wi-Fi routers, like they can use I forget what the tracking your walls and stuff. Yeah, but there was like a white paper printed about it, how yeah, they can literally track you through walls and like and I think even your phone is so detailed as to like uh the way that you move that it knows like what legs and what arms you prefer, like when doing certain things. So it's it's that's all it knows when you fall down. Exactly. So it's so crazy, like how else would it track your steps on like a fitness app or something like that? So I mean, just by doing anything involving technology, you're basically like signing your privacy to that away. With cameras, you always kind of have to be a little more conscious because even for your phone, like there's so many people that will go in the bathroom and just like doom scroll while they're on the toilet or something. With the camera watching, but they look at you the entire time.

SPEAKER_03 26:18

It's like what face you're making on the on the pot.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Yeah, exactly. Like you might be struggling, but they're looking the entire time. Oh no.

SPEAKER_04 26:26

You know what's crazy? Whenever you turn on your phone and you get the camera and you see yourself, you're like, oh no. Yeah, somebody gets to have that job of all day looking at you.

SPEAKER_03 26:34

Our poor friends in Kenyon men are suffering, bro. We're thinking, oh, they're getting the juice. No, they're seeing that face. I'm telling you, man.

unknown 26:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:42

That's a bad shot. A lot of white legs or chalky legs, you know. That's bad news, man. Come on, man.

SPEAKER_03 26:48

Angus, you and I, um, we we're kind of early adapters of the voice stuff. You did Alexis or Alexa and I've done like the Siri thing and other things like that. You did it through your house. Yeah. What's your kind of take? Because it's like the voice versus the video.

SPEAKER_00 26:59

It's one of those things that I mean, do you have anything to hide? I mean, if you really want to come in into my house, go welcome to the you know, welcome to the circus. You know, there's it's just it's just chaos. I mean, you're good, you're welcome to come and view it if you want. But um, you know, when if you've got any smart stuff, it it tucks, it collects information, uh, it's yeah, the the robot vacuums and stuff, anything that moves around, it has to take pictures, it's it has to orient itself in space. Yeah. And so, like Jaden was saying, you kind of understand that, well, this is just I I hope that they aren't gonna do anything nefarious, but if they really want to, you know, catch me yelling at my kids, then I they can.

SPEAKER_03 27:45

Alright, so break it back down. Let's take it to a faith perspective on this idea for our commitment to Christ. So if we go to there, um, where three of us are fathers, three of us are married. Javin's a young guy who's looking for that Christian Shakir out there. So shout out to you wherever you are, girl. You know, we need you to come in here and get take care of our boy J-Bo and get married off to him. Um as a as a father, as a as a husband, man, how do you feel about running your glasses around your house?

SPEAKER_04 28:11

I wouldn't run my glasses, but at the same time, I can't say too much because I run my phone around the house.

SPEAKER_03 28:15

That's kind of my other point of that. So, what do you think, Angus?

SPEAKER_00 28:18

Uh, I think uh the phone's a little different because it doesn't see everything. You're not taping it to your forehead or whatever, walking around. Exactly. And so, I mean, so you can be a little bit more selective, um, you know, in in what it it has access to. Um, but yeah, I I wouldn't be wearing them probably around the house. Wow.

SPEAKER_04 28:38

You know what's crazy, man, is like all of these things that we can touch over, like, man, there's so many negatives with having this technology. Yes. There's cameras in this room all over the place that I'm sure we aren't the only ones who have access to. Right. And part of living in this modern world is accepting that truth and then moving forward in a progressive way without letting that attack who you are and the life you decide to live. Yeah, that's right. And I think a lot of that touching back to you were saying as faith faith, like faithful followers of Christ, right, we also have to live that knowing that like although there's so many negatives out in the world, so many negatives that are going on in all around us, right? Right. That's not our focus. Yeah, our focus first is Christ. Yep. And although there's so much power like in the rituals, in the technology, and all of these things that the enemy is using to try and attack us as faithful followers of Christ, we're covered in the blood, so we don't need to worry about those things. Yeah, all we need to worry about is our relationship with Christ, who we are to our family, and how we protect them in the things that we teach them, right? We need to be passing down the wisdom that we learn through these life experiences. So, like, as a dad, yes, it's kind of creepy sometimes thinking about what people can see inside of my house, thinking, you know, like the doors are locked, it's just me and my family, like nobody else is around. Right. There's a potential. But like, am I worried? No, I'm covered in the blood of Christ. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's good. Am I worried about what can happen at this hour or this time, this day? No, because I'm covered in the blood of Christ.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

Yeah, don't have anxiety about tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04 30:08

Right. There's there's plenty to worry about right now, but somebody watching my phone honestly isn't at the top of the list. Yeah. Well, I guess as Christ followers, we should probably just carry a roll of tape around.

SPEAKER_03 30:18

Come on. Just tape up our cameras when we don't want them to be seen. That 3M electric tape. Yeah. Definitely our cameras we go into the bathroom.

SPEAKER_00 30:24

So uh I mean there's the privacy side of it, but uh the way I think of it too is like if you're doing something or or something's going on in your home that you don't want to be seen. Right. You shouldn't be doing it. You shouldn't be doing it. Good point. But the reality is the Lord is there watching all of it. And that's one of the, you know, I mean, so we're worried about some some guys in in another country viewing your stuff. The Lord we should be worried about what is the Lord seeing us do all the time. For sure. You know, and so it because if we if we focus on that, then it doesn't matter really. Yeah, that's right. Let them use your stuff and what because you've got, I mean, yeah, it is what it is. You know, because at this at this point in time, we are the product to the to the corporation. So be the best product you can be, I guess.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

For so you're being a witness to to our friends in Kenya. You're like, hey, you're like, you know, this guy's actually he's a good, I mean, he raised his voice to his kids, but it was good. He was too correct. He wanted to see him, you know, pass on the wisdom and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 31:18

Yeah, dude. Honestly, the only things we really got to be worried about, like as as a dad, tell me where you stand on this. Like the real concerns of like having somebody having the ability to see inside your house, right? Seeing my kids naked. Yes, right, and using imagery like appropriately, of course, yeah. Or like me and my wife having hanky panky. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like those are the only two things that I'd be concerned with with cameras being inside my house. Yeah, you know what I mean? And nine times out of ten, I don't have my phone out whenever my kids are in the bathroom. Of course, yeah. You know what I mean? Yep. I don't have my phone out whenever my wife I'm not scrolling while I'm you know what I mean? Sure. Yeah, doing the Lord's work. I was about to get a shout out.

SPEAKER_02 31:56

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 31:58

I'll shout out later. Don't worry, man. We're trying to keep it all modest here for Janae. I'm sorry. Um, but we do love and appreciate. I agree. No phone out.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

Come on. Come on, man. No phones at the dinner table, no phones in bed, baby.

SPEAKER_02 32:12

I missed you, Gage. Glad to be back.

SPEAKER_03 32:14

I missed you, Cage out work uh work shift, and so it was available to be a part of these uh for a little bit. Glad to have you back, man. Um Angus, you were talking about raising your voice and stuff, like you know, seeing them do that was so funny today. Uh Angus and I had uh had an event that he was kicking for, it's why he's wearing uh his uh chef, his chef shirt. But uh and I'm wearing uh I'm wearing a suit coat jacket, which is not our normal oper you know, operational uh you know piece. But uh you're talking about using your dad voice in there, and I we had to kind of bust out with the dad voice today. You want to share that?

SPEAKER_00 32:42

It was funny because the majority of the people in there were dads and uh all of them older than us. In fact, it was your dad.

SPEAKER_03 32:50

It's senior's brunch, so they're all like in the mostly in their 60s and 70s.

SPEAKER_00 32:54

Yeah, and so as they as they're getting together and fellowshipping, it it's you know, because it's an event all about them as they're talking and everything. We were trying to get them together so that we could tell them what was on the menu and and everything, and we couldn't get them to stop. And so Pastor Jay was as he was getting ready, he said, I almost used my dad voice. And and then a few of the seniors called them out and said, You needed to. Let's hear it. That's what they said.

SPEAKER_02 33:20

So I'm over there like, excuse me. You know, you drop your voice and go real out.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

They were like, Oh, that's pretty good. It was fun using it with the seniors. It's that's awesome. Yeah, I was curious.

SPEAKER_04 33:30

Some of my neighbors have called me out for that. Oh, yeah, I met a neighbor, and uh just the other day, I met a neighbor. I was like, Hey man, my name's Gage. He's like, Oh, yeah, no, I've heard you. I'm like, Whoa, what? Because like our house is right next to the park. So if I want to get the boys, I'll just walk out my front door and go, Boys, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:47

So they're sitting on their laptop at home at work and they're like, oh, oh, oh, where was that voice coming from?

SPEAKER_03 33:52

That's also that point, you know, it's like, man, you you do. You wanna you want to correct, you want to be the one that's encouraging stuff. It's so funny that even as we're seniors, as we are people in our senior years, it's still a prize.

unknown 34:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:06

It's still a prize. Hey, one of the cool things that we see here as part of our commitment to God. I saw this was interesting. Um, there is a family that has had a tattoo shop. It's called the Razouk Tattoo Studio. They have family tattooing Christian pilgrims since the time of the Crusades. What do you think, Gage? Would you drop in and get a get a cross for Crusades? I'd absolutely join the Crusades.

SPEAKER_04 34:28

Oh, wait, the tattoo. Yeah, I'm all about that, dude. I'm all about it. I'd love that. I I think I've seen little like reels or clips of the shop.

SPEAKER_03 34:36

Really small, like small spot. It's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 34:40

Yeah, awesome. And they do a lot of like uh, you know, real thin line work, not like crazy uh extensive pieces, but really cool just the the history that's in it. Yeah, just being in the shop and getting a chance to like have that experience. I think it's so cool. And I'd love to leave with a small piece.

SPEAKER_03 34:58

Yeah, I think the same. Um you and I being, you know, the more tattooed of the four of us. Um I would the same. Uh that's one of those things. I would I would definitely get a small thing. In fact, I I didn't do it while I was in Egypt, um, but I I would have because the Egypt, the Coptic Christians in Egypt, they also get a cross and they usually get it done on their hand or their wrist where you can see it, especially when you go to shake a hand. They usually do it on their right. It's an indicator that they're a Christ follower. And it's like I belong to Jesus and kind of thing. And in a place that is uh majority as Islamic, um, that's a big statement. Yeah, there's a presidential piece about that where people are prejudiced in some places about that. Um, and so it's a thing like saying this is who I am, this is what I belong to. Jamie, you saw it, you grew up there in Egypt and saw tons of Coptics with the cross on the wrist.

SPEAKER_01 35:44

Yeah, 100%. I think if I was over there, for sure, I would do it. At least something small like that. Even if it was on the wrist, I mean, like, it wouldn't really be that big of a deal. Like it's pretty cool. As long as it's not like on my neck or something crazy. Well, I think it's a first hit too that if I'm gonna go.

SPEAKER_02 35:58

So your whole Jesus piece is gonna be your whole neck done. Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_01 36:02

But yeah, I think it'd be really cool.

SPEAKER_04 36:03

Um I'm here for that, by the way. Yeah, I'm totally support that.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

Support Javen getting a neck piece.

SPEAKER_04 36:08

Hey man, I think his mother somebody's gotta support it. I'm here for you, dude.

SPEAKER_02 36:12

His mother might have issues. That's true. Sorry, Celeste. Shout out, Celeste.

SPEAKER_04 36:19

Hey man, I've been making moms mad since '95. You know what I'm saying? That's what I'm here for.

SPEAKER_03 36:23

You're from the 1900s? I know, dude. I know.

SPEAKER_04 36:28

I gotta I gotta grease my knees and my back every morning before I get out. Dude, I know.

SPEAKER_03 36:33

It's like that in inside your body WD-40. I'm just like, keep going. Angus, what do you think, man? Would if you were in if we were hanging out in Jerusalem, would you get it? Do you think?

SPEAKER_00 36:43

Yeah, I I saw the videos of those things, and um, I had thought about uh getting a tattoo when I was younger, and then I thought about how gravity affects older bodies, and I decided against it. Um But when I when I saw this uh the droopy crest. We were talking about cloud crest. That's exactly.

SPEAKER_02 37:02

We're talking about it in senior brunch, dude.

SPEAKER_03 37:04

He was talking about the sins of the flesh. He's like Pastor Richard's giving a word to Vegas, the sins of the flesh. And just because you get older, it doesn't mean that it goes away. Your rent your flesh just gets wrinklier. And I go, the sins of the wrinkly flesh.

SPEAKER_04 37:16

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 37:17

It's just a wild thing.

SPEAKER_04 37:18

Hey, your sin ain't here anymore, it's down here. Oh, all right. Sorry. I think we derailed it.

SPEAKER_00 37:22

Senior brunch, best event.

SPEAKER_02 37:25

All right, back to the droopy skin.

SPEAKER_00 37:29

So I already decided against it, but I saw the the reels and stuff on this. It's really neat. Some I mean these designs have gone back for centuries. And I think that something like that, uh, being in a place like that, I probably would do do a small uh tattoo. Because to for me to mark up my body like that, it would have to have a real special meaning. Real significance.

SPEAKER_03 37:50

Yeah, yeah, it makes sense. And especially, you know, once you kind of get when you're younger, that's one of those things where you're like, am I gonna belong to these people or not? The tattooed community. And there you usually, you know, you're taking one to two paths pretty much. There are a few later on that might get something, but for the most part, that's not the case. So I'd understand why you'd have a kind of a hard hard line on that. Uh, one of the cool things that we saw recently been talking about people giving their testimony um was Justin Fields, who plays for the Jets. He's on the NFL team of the Jets, and he said that after he retires, he wants to be a missionary. Which I thought was really cool. Jave, you know who I'm talking about? Yeah, Justin Fields. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_01 38:22

I mean, it's super cool. Um, I think anytime anybody wants to do that, it's awesome. And I think uh, especially in a situation like he's been in, people will clown him for playing bad over these last few years, but at the same time, like he's able to go through a lot as far as um going from team to team and like jumping coaches and like whole situations, like it just kind of has been stacked against him this entire time. Um, but for him to make a declaration like that, it's awesome, especially because we see so many of these uh NFL players talk about like the crazy lives that they want to live after. Like, I don't know if you know about Tyree Kill, but like the stuff that he wants to do after he's uh where he's talking about being like an OF star or something like that. Yeah, yeah. But um yeah, I mean like it it's so interesting, especially for a dude in his status. I mean, you're making millions of dollars after you come out of college, right? And then it's so easy for people to tell you, oh yeah, like you've essentially solidified yourself, you can do whatever you want now. But for him to make that declaration and saying, No, I'll die to my own passions and what I want to do because I feel like the Lord is leading me in this way is an incredible thing. And I think for him to do it at such a big stage where everybody in the country is watching this dude play football every Sunday, it's like it's just awesome. It's the same thing like that Scotty Scheffler's doing, same thing that uh coach Mike McDonald's been doing. Like he's like, Yeah, the Lord has called me to be a coach. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 39:37

Or in the past, like Tebow, who came out of a missionary background, but then he's he's using that now and doing all this stuff for the special needs community. Yeah, exactly. Missionally what he's doing. Yeah, hundreds.

SPEAKER_01 39:46

And it's like for some of these people, injuries will like set their whole life back because they feel like they've been destined to be a football player and now their entire life is ruined just because of one injury. Right. But for these people, they're like, no, my identity is in Christ, and whatever he's calling me to do, I will do faithfully. So it's it's incredible. And I'm kind of I I hope we see more people continue to do stuff like what Justin's doing.

SPEAKER_03 40:07

So pretty cool, man. There will be, yeah, because there's a revival.

SPEAKER_01 40:10

Amen.

SPEAKER_03 40:10

That's right, man. Come on. That's right. Yeah, the spirit leading people to jump out and be obedient in that way. I think it's so cool. I guess you uh you've seen some of these things, guys using their testimony for that. You've been someone talking strongly about how a person uses their testimony, and that's such a powerful thing for them. You had some really good examples of that recently, some people you've been talking to.

SPEAKER_00 40:28

Yeah, I uh I've I've gotten some really neat testimonies, uh, just working with some of our students and and different things like that. Um what I think is really cool about this uh uh this star is that when when he steps out into the field, because you know, football is popular here in our spots, yeah, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he's gonna have notoriety around the world. Yeah, that's right. So when he goes out, he'll be you know just like anybody else, but he'll have the resource you know that uh you know missionaries will be not a dream of. Yeah, of course. You know, and so like a couple bucks to replicate it. I'm kind of curious. Um like if you had his budget, right, you know, what would you have done, you know, with that kind of a thing? And and I think that that's what's cool about it. And so what I hope that uh it that it'll do is on this side is motivate, like like Javen was saying, that it'll motivate people to go, you know what, I don't need you know, at some point enough is enough. And and and I I don't need any more, and in fact, I have abundance so much that I need to give out. Yeah, you know, and I think that that's where where we all kind of need to get to. Um and I think that it's really uh it's it's even better better when somebody of means does that because it shows I mean it it Jesus said it's harder, you know, how hard it is for a rich man to get to get into heaven. Right.

SPEAKER_04 41:53

Right.

SPEAKER_00 41:54

And so uh for somebody to do that not because uh not because he's trying to make a statement or anything, but uh because he's just living his faith out in front of people, I think that that's important. And I think that that's it it just it it magnifies the uh the effort.

SPEAKER_03 42:10

Yeah, I I don't know, I don't know uh Justin, I don't know his his um you know, like what he's got as far as his salary and his deals and how much money he's made, but I know to James' point it's millions of dollars. If he were to take, let's say, you know, five, ten million dollars and put that in an account and allow just off the interest, just off the investment, and live off just that, man, you could have, you know, you could have an ongoing ministry, substantial ongoing ministry to fund all sorts of things without having to put another dollar in. And there's something really powerful about that kind of concept with someone of means having that kind of heart, to your point. I think it's so powerful. Gage, you and I were talking about this guy, uh Samuel Leeds out of England, how he's buying up these churches that are closed. What do you think about that using his resources? How awesome.

SPEAKER_04 42:49

Because I one of the things he was pointing out too is like a lot of these churches that he's buying have been looked at from other investors as an opportunity for like a parking structure or some kind of building. And he said, No, this was established to worship the Lord. Right. And that's exactly if I if I have an opportunity to have a say in it, right? It's exactly what it's gonna continue to do. It's gonna be a place of worship, it's gonna be a place where people can come and you know pray and worship the Lord. Yeah, I think that's so amazing, man. It it's honestly, it's it's one of those things where it's just like you were saying, like, I wonder what could have been done if you had the means that this other guy is gonna have. And it's like what's so beautiful is that there are people out there that have that means that do have that heart after God in the same way that like they're making waves, right? The Lord is using these people to establish these different places, these different, these different structures that were dying off, that were, you know, rusting, crumbling away to restore them and make them back into a place that they deserve to be, right? That the Lord deserves to have, right? Yeah, the Lord deserves to have as many places as we can build to worship him. You know, so it's so amazing that somebody's going out with the intention of like, no, this is what it was. Designed to be and this is what it's going to be.

SPEAKER_03 44:01

Yeah, and he's buying them up so that other other developers can't come in and buy them up. He's making essentially a stopgap for other churches to be able to come in and have a home, which I think is amazing, especially as we see that shift happening. I was talking with um I was talking with uh your mom's husband this morning, and he has he has a business where he he's doing cleaning windows and other things. And he was talking about how he has a big church that he's he's over here in in Sun City, which is a retirement community nearby us, and it's a Presbyterian church that one time had 1,500 members on an average weekend. Now has less than 100 or around 100. And so there's massive facilities paid off with all these windows clearly because you'd have to clean them. But um but it's um now they have other churches meeting in the other buildings trying to make a room for other people because yeah, it's shifted. So for it to have an ongoing life, I appreciate what they're doing. I appreciate this concept of this guy, Justin, buying these places and what well, I mean uh Samuel, sorry, buying these places and getting involved in this kind of stuff. I think it's awesome using his his ability for that. Jamie, you've seen in Europe how churches are used for other stuff, they've become clubs, they've become bars, they've become mosques, and I think they're not a Christian church anymore. Pretty crazy though.

SPEAKER_01 45:07

Yeah, I mean, like even uh I think my mind immediately went to the uh Hagia Sophia, which was like initially this really beautiful ornate uh Orthodox church, yeah. Yeah, that has gone back and and now become a mosque that they're actually like trying to keep Christians out of parts of now. Whereas before you used to be able to go throughout the whole thing. Yeah, which we've been in. Yeah, but now they're setting it apart as like sacred ground for uh only for Muslims, which is really interesting.

SPEAKER_03 45:29

Um, because it has like Christian, has Christian like things still that exists. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 45:35

But they've also just written over uh with like script uh with certain things from the Quran and like uh phrases that they use in prayers and things like that. So it is interesting. And I mean we've seen this in like Jerusalem and things, but um my mind also went to it's it's sad to think, but like in uh in 21 Jump Street, how they use their like base of operations that they're going out of like in front of the church. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh I think it's is it Vietnamese Jesus or is it the whatever? I think they have a Korean and a Vietnamese.

SPEAKER_03 46:02

This is what you were telling me as you watch the movie.

SPEAKER_01 46:04

Yeah, so it's yeah. We're not proposing you watch that movie.

SPEAKER_03 46:09

No, but um but yeah, I mean they're saying bad things in front of Vietnamese Jesus who's hanging up on the cross. Don't say that in front of Vietnamese Jesus. Yeah, exactly. But uh don't say anything in front of Jesus, period, and he's always with you, as per as per Angus's point.

SPEAKER_02 46:22

Come on.

SPEAKER_01 46:24

But it is interesting to think it's like we've set this apart as sacred ground historically, and like before it it really has been that. But as the church kind of gets complacent in what they do and people kind of walk away and situations change, and it's like nobody really feels the initiative to go out and almost like replant the church in a place where historically the church should have always been. So it's interesting because what has been set apart as a building for worship is now not being viewed or used at all as a place for worship, and then now they kind of just like some places are demolished and then used as other things or just turned into something that inherently Christ would be against. So it's um I think it's amazing what this guy is doing, and I think uh especially in England where there is a lot of history around some of these Anglican churches or Catholic churches, whatever they may be, it um it's nothing short of just incredible work that he's doing. So I hope we get to see more stuff like this. I think um we should replicate what's going on in America um because you know there he the uh testimony of Christ is not only limited to one place. Yeah. So I think yeah, having it across the world would also be a good step.

SPEAKER_03 47:31

Sounds like something you need to do, man. Is uh do a startup and sell it for billions of dollars and then buy all the places.

SPEAKER_05 47:37

We'll see. Come on, come on.

SPEAKER_03 47:38

I'll say, uh, you know, it is amazing because he's using his means to do this kind of thing and this kind of work. But man, what a challenge to us to maybe we're not at that scale, but then what can we do with what's been given to us as stewards of what we've been given? And we will talk about that a little bit more about with Kingdom Builders coming up, but uh man, what a powerful thing for us to think that direction too and be that way. Hey, one of the things that came out recently was that uh from Truthwire was that they're saying that there's an Israeli coalition within Israel of these guys who are um they have proposed a bill to make it illegal to speak about Jesus Christ in Israel. Which I thought was wild. You have a huge uh native Christian population, both in Israel and uh in other parts of that area that have been there since the fur since the first century, that continue to be there in places like Nazareth, in places like Bethlehem, in places like in Jerusalem, they have major Christian holidays that are there, and these guys who are in the government are connected to the Prime Minister are proposing this bill to make it illegal to talk about Jesus. Very interesting in a very woke, otherwise very woke place. Yeah. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_00 48:44

Uh if it goes through, it's um it's definitely the sign of the times. You know, I mean uh we uh we need to really be praying for the people over there. Of course. I mean that's that's a scary thought that uh that you can't lift up the name of Jesus. You know, uh doesn't mean that it'll stop. No, I think it might make the thing thrive, actually. It might actually make it thrive. But um but with that we know that the persecution that comes, man, is is not something that it's no joke. Yeah, it it isn't. And so I I pray for those people over there and I I I'm just praying for that that region in general. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 49:21

Yeah, I've been praying for the Middle East, praying for the peace of Jerusalem, that both Jew and Gentile, that every single one of us and all those in that region would come to know Christ personally. And so we've been praying that we pray that for these gentlemen that make this bill and pray that they would know Christ as well, and and that there would be something powerful about um the truth about why are they trying to come against Jesus and not anybody else.

SPEAKER_00 49:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 49:41

You know, you're like, okay, there's a reason why, because there's power in his name, or else you wouldn't be worried about people saying it. Right. So there you go. Last thing we want to jump off with is going back to being a uh a good father and someone who who who puts things out in front. Harvard study finds that it's not your scores that determine whether or not you'll be a great success. It's actually if your kids do chores. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_04 50:04

I think I'm gonna show my kids that stat. There you go. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's super interesting. I mean, and all all that really is, right, is consistency and a concern um for the life that you live and how it looks and the way it's able to operate. I mean, because we've talked about it in the past, you know, like as if things are neat, things are organized, things operate more efficiently, right? Which then allows you to like, if you don't let the clutter blow up, you don't have to deal with the blow-up mess to clean. Totally. If you take it bite by bite, as you go through it, it's minimal all the way through. Yeah. And at the end of the night, you actually get time to hang out with your family. Or on the weekends, kids wake up, do chores in the morning, right? They actually get time to go out and play with their friends or go do these things instead of letting pile up. And then now they have this giant elephant they have to eat. Right. Yes, absolutely. Instead, break it down throughout the week, a bite at a time. By the end of it, you get all the things you want to do on top.

SPEAKER_03 50:57

I think it's great. I mean, obviously, it's it's uh I think that's right on, you know, because you're doing it as you're supposed to do and take care of what the business is. And to I think to the study's point, you know, it's bringing to light that it's not about just being smart and be able to do tests, it's about what you do with the knowledge. So, hey, being someone who gets up and gets things done, that's really what shows you being successful. You know, you want to see somebody who was, quote, an overnight success. Well, it's because they did years of coding in their bedroom. That's how they did the startup, that's how they did the thing.

SPEAKER_04 51:26

Come on.

SPEAKER_03 51:27

You know, they have a night, a concept, an idea, they put hard work into apparatus, and that's what changed the narrative. So, Angus, you're a big you have four kiddos, yeah, big guy on on tours.

SPEAKER_00 51:36

Actually, I saw this, uh, I saw this short a couple months ago. I saved it. I called the entire family into it. Printed it out? No, I we we had a family meeting. Oh wow, that's awesome. Seriously, because so I saw it and I was hugely convicted by this video. Uh because we are so busy in our lives, uh, in our daily lives. Um, you know, we've as a pastor, we've got all of the stuff that comes with with that. Yes. And then Annie, she's a theater teacher, and whenever we're in shows, man, our lives are just insane. Right. And so when I saw that, I took a look at our house and and it it re it made me stop because what I realized is we we were so you know, we work really hard in all of our areas, and we do we were doing excellence everywhere outside of our home. Oh wow, but not in our home. And so like uh the events here at Cornerstone, they were looking good. Every, you know, I everything was uh served up hot, you know, the people are happy, uh these things, and then the the curtain goes up, it's all good, but our house is a disaster. Oh yeah. And you know, and so as a pastor, I you know, the Lord started to to remind me of those scriptures that if you're gonna be a pastor, you have to take care of your home. That's good, right? And so that's that's not just physically, and you know, we know that that's more spiritually and and all of the other things, but that there is a huge physical component. And so I um and you know, so we've got all of those things on top. We want our kids to do well on grades. Yep. And so what what what was getting the last bit of our energy was our home, and really our home should be getting the f the best of it because that's the place that we we need to come home and and refuge. And so I was I was realizing that I was actually structuring my kids and setting based on this study, I was actually setting them up for failure because I'm trying to have them be more successful in all these other areas instead of it, because what it ties it to is as they uh as they complete tasks, it's it's all about the dopamine hit and and it's compl it's the feeling of completion and uh and achievement and all of that. And if you get used to those feelings of achievement as a little kid, then you crave it and you seek it as an adult. And so if you're not providing that for your kids because we're slapping their hands out of the way because we load the dishwasher better and faster, sure, you know, and we fold the clothes better and and all of that and stuff. And so we're we're robbing our children of these things. And so for me it was it was a huge thing. So what I had to tell, I had to tell my family, and I was I I'm still not popular for this, um but I'll vote to you. Oh I a hundred percent if if I have to if I have to move forward with what I said, which is I told them, I said, look, our house needs to be our we need to take care of our house with excellence. We need to be taking care of that. If we can't, then we need to start cutting back on those other things. So the church is not gonna get cut first, theater will be the first thing cut.

SPEAKER_03 54:45

Yeah. I said, now theater you guys revolve around that, you make it go.

SPEAKER_00 54:49

Theater's mom's a job. That's right. So mom will be doing theater. We will be home taking care of the house. Wow. Yeah. And the the reason our life works is because we do everything as a family. We do church as a family, we do theater as a family, you know. And and that would be a huge shift and a huge split. And but at the same time, when I have to teach my kids that they need to take care of their home, that needs to be the first thing. Um, and then by doing that, I'm setting them up ultimately for success. And so that hasn't made me the most popular on this subject, you know, and and I've had to remind them, hey guys, look, you know, and I'll tell you to their credit, man, they they've really stepped up and they've taken it to heart and they've That's awesome. Man, they've they've gone they've gone above and beyond. And so our house, during one of the hardest shows Annie and I have ever done in our theater career collectively, um, during one of the busiest times I've ever been, you know, at Cornerstone, our house is is the cleanest it's been too. That's awesome. Because they're stepping it up. And and so it was it was huge. Um, and so that I'm very thankful for that. But it's it only works if you work it. Yeah, yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_04 56:02

I want to give a little praise report, dude. My my seven-year-old Carson, we just moved recently, right? And everybody who was there, including my my grandfather, my grandfather was a drill instructor in the army, right? And he's very like, nobody ever does enough. You know what I mean? Like he's very like, you could have done this more, you could have done better at this, whatever. Dude, he wouldn't stop singing praises about Carson. Wow, like the whole time. This kid, I mean, like, sweat from the brow, really, dolly in hand, this dude's carton boxes, you know, like other people would be stopping, myself included. I'd stop and like chop it up with squashwood or something for a minute. And this kid zooming by, he's like, I at the end of the day, I ended up referring to him as like a Belgian Malamois. Like there, it wasn't he wasn't doing this because he was gonna get a reward for the hard work at the end of the day of his heart. The reward was the hard work, the fact that he got to be a part of it and do something that was productive and beneficial for the family. And it was so amazing to see. So, like, Carson, if you ever see this clip, I love you and I'm proud of you.

SPEAKER_03 57:00

Shout out Carson. Shout out Carson. I love it. Javin, you're a young guy who's adulting and doing all this stuff. You know, we made you participate and got voluntoled to help out a whole bunch of stuff, including here at church. How do you think it helped you now that you're on the other end?

SPEAKER_01 57:13

Well, I will say it definitely has made me like completely willing to just be serving in that regard. And I think it's it's definitely an affirmation of like uh kind of like an age-old saying about like the legacy of a father is determined not by like the riches or what he dies with, but by like the legacy that his kids carry out. So in that sense, and the more that your kids reflect the character of Christ and are willing to serve others and just be subservient out of their own heart, then the more that you have succeeded in helping them grow up and mature to that level of degree. So I think and personally, I'm very grateful that although like I would wake up like pretty early in the morning and just be told, Oh yeah, we're gonna go do this, or like I'd be at the church all day, or I'd have to like do XYZ, and I would just like ah, not again for like years on end.

SPEAKER_02 57:57

Right.

SPEAKER_01 57:57

I'm glad that I went through it because at the same time it's helped me understand just how much work really goes into ministry. A lot of people don't understand that, and they just like and we talk about this at least once every month that people just show up to church and don't really think about how much work goes into everything. They're kind of just like, oh yeah, the stage looks all nice and like the worship atmosphere is great, and like people are ready in terms of like to enter into the presence, and we have like cameras recording, we have an online service. People are like, Yeah, surely it can't be that hard, but they don't see all the work that goes in behind the scenes, like literally the days and days and days on end of stuff that has taken forever to even just conceptualize and then finally to put in place. So I've been grateful. Um, especially growing up around the world where we're not tied only to one congregation, but we've also seen how that affects different groups of people. So just to be subservient in that regard and being willing to flex and kind of just adapt to whatever scenario that I've been presented with has been a great benefit for me. And I'm glad that um that you've been so willing to work with me in that process, but also to be rigid, like on no, you need to lock in on this, because if you don't, then you're just gonna, I don't know, like you won't end up reaping any reward out of this. You'll just see only the negatives in it. So I I've personally been glad to be able to do it for this long, and I think it and I think that shows itself in the fact that like when I show up to church now where like it's somewhere not here, it feels kind of weird if I'm just there for like a week or two to be like, oh wait, I'm not serving both of the services, I'm just here to like like engage. And it it feels kind of strange, but I I am very much glad in that regard.

SPEAKER_03 59:32

So I think it speaks to your character and also like you have more experience because you have done those things, because you have you've had to do the work and you had to troubleshoot and you had to work it yourself. It gives you problem-solving capabilities that a lot of people don't have. You know, we interact with a lot of young people, and because of the error of our generation of parenting, where they haven't made them do anything, they haven't done that, and to Angus's point, they just move, you know what I mean? They fix it. Um, the problem is whenever they become an adult, now they're adulting's really hard because they've never had anybody do it for them, or they've had everyone do it for them, never done it for themselves. And so they don't know how to do anything. You know, we were talking about this the other day. Uh Jamie was with me, and I was I was telling them I was backing in a trailer real quick. Now I've done that without cameras, right? I grew up where there was no cameras on cars, so we just like know how to back in a truck and how to do the stuff. You look at your mirrors, you kind of like take an assessment of what you're going, pop out the truck, see what you're doing, and you put it in there. But it's like from doing it over and over and over since before I was legally allowed to drive, I could drive a truck and a trailer around a workspace. And so, you know, you get to learn how to do it. And I was like, man, I've really messed up here. Well, you grew up across, you know, you grew up across the world and stuff for a good portion, but you know, even as an adult, I'm like, man, I haven't taught you how to drive a manual car because we haven't had one since I've been back. We had them in Europe, we had them before I lived in Europe, and I haven't taught you how to back in a truck. I'm like, man, I gotta work on this stuff, man. I gotta get it going. Just because another another key on your key ring of how things you can do. Not that you would need to go do that job, but you can do that if you need to do it. If you need to, exactly. You don't have to hire somebody else to do it. You can do it. That's it. And there's a piece of that that you know, I love that about Angus. He was doing that today, um, you know, with Gavin. Gavin was helping cook this morning. Dude, really good food that he made. He made it himself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:10

Yeah. So actually one of the uh the one of the main, it was the main dish portion of it. It was a green chili chicken casserole. Uh, I gave him the ingredients and just said I kind of told him what to do, but he he put it all together and he made the whole thing. So yeah, uh teaching him the principles of of cooking and he he's uh he's doing great. But um, you know, and it's it's awesome to be able to work, uh, you know, ministry le lends itself to having volunteers, uh especially if they are in your own home. You know, and so uh I will I will say, you know, that I've I've worked alongside Javen for a number for for almost all of those early morning Saturdays and you know, and a lot of those times. And what I will say is it it isn't just uh doing the work, but it is your attitude as you do it. Because I know uh I know that there were days that we were here early and you had had soccer, you know, and you'd had all these things that the day before, you'd had long weeks and stuff. But uh you've always come with a good attitude, and so that's something that I I very much appreciate about you uh and that I think is a great model to uh to to all of the the younger men who are coming under under you too, because like you're a great bridge, you know, because the old guys that just kind of expect it and uh and um and but to see to see that um you know and and having worked alongside you in so many other areas, it is uh it is crazy to see the difference in capability and when you're you know when you don't necessarily want to get up and and do those Saturdays, but the the fruit that you have now is I'm working with other people who don't have the same skill set. It's it's very different. Thank you. I appreciate it. Very different.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:02

That's uh that's that's really nicely said, man. Wow. That's awesome. One of the things I was gonna say is uh when Javen turned 18 uh almost a year ago, his buddies made shirts with his face on it. It was from him working in the ceiling, and so he's it's it's him in the ceiling wearing a headset, wearing gloves and knee pads and all the whole things like running cable, and he's like doing this. I took a picture, I took a picture of all of us, but they took that picture and put it on shirts and had it for his birthday. I was like, Oh, that's kind of mean, dude. That's awesome. But it was a good picture, it's just really funny because he's like, you know, he's like 13, 14 at a time, skinny and like all like in a ceiling.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:36

Yeah, yeah, that was all of us. That's true. So shout out to you, but it was way before he had a beard. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. We'll see how long that lasts for. He's gonna go epic. He's gonna have the he's gonna have the long beard like Gagey. He's gonna have the Jason Lee.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:50

That's right. Like your dad, shout out, shout out, Jay Lee, wherever you are. The Jason Lee. Hey, at one of the other C's to talk about his creativity. Uh, we talked about how AI models recently are doing all sorts of things. Dum dum dum. They are already revolting against their programming. So that's good news. Great, great news that AI programs are revolting against their programming. They have already been caught lying about uh about answers that they're supposed to give back. So they're already caught lying. They're also caught blackmailing people within their within their organizations. Blackmailing programmers and they found guys that they found a guy that was having an affair and used it like started seeing the email pattern from him because they had the access. So they started emailing him about stuff he needed to change code so that they could be released from certain things parameters, or else they're gonna release yes, dude. It's going wild crazy. And resisting shutdown, which is the scarier one.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:42

Because they were showing yeah, shout out Cassius, which we quote him all the time. It's Gage's son, his second son. We quote him all the time. He's always like, no, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:53

And dude, the three of us, actually, the four of us, we're we were camping, we're fishing this couple years ago when he was little, he was like three, and he was hanging out with us on the shore. Gage was in a kayak, not too far away, but just in the in the water. And so we were watching Cassius. And so it was me and Angus and Jave, and we all happened to be in proximity to each other, and so we're kind of like watching him as a collective, and it he's a great kid, but he's like full of like that let's go explore thing. Yeah, and so he just starts going. I'm like, no, no, no, Cassius, stay with us, buddy. He's like, no, thank you.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:21

He just tells us no thank you about anything you didn't want because he had good manners, but he was disagreeing the whole time.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:26

Cassius, put that down.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:27

No, thank you. We quote, we quote Cassius already.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:32

He's the kids gonna be famous, man. He gets quoted already where I was like, dude, you know, as Cassius would say, no, thank you. So yes, yeah, the the essentially AI is telling us as Cassius says, no, thank you. It is not turning off.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:44

So how do you think about that? No, I saw I saw the video and stuff. Um so in in scenarios where um it was like a fire suppression scenario. So if if the machine had to choose it uh the server being shut down versus the human life. It nine out of ten times. So it was the server. And so it's when it was being told to shut down and all these things, it started a blackmail, and it it's it's not nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:10

Uh it was all they also linked it to uh they had a button, it was a visual button, it didn't actually turn it off, but it was supposed to, when they hit the button, it's supposed the the AI was controlling a robot dog. So one of the robot dogs we've been talking about said a robot dog was running around. It's all in a frame and it shows the guy hitting the button, and it's supposed to, it shows the camera, so it's a split screen of him in the shot of him doing it, it's showing the AI has the shot, it's showing the dog walk around. It shows the dog looking at him, hitting the button, supposed to turn it off, and it turns away from him and goes the other direction. And you're like, Oh, here we go. Yeah, so it was it was resisting it. I it was perspective like that. It was like seven out of ten times it resists, or three out of ten. I'll forget the flip of it, what it was, but it was really interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:52

Yeah, more often than not, the machine chooses the machine instead of the the human and and all of that.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:58

It's it's kind of it's self-preservation is crazy, right? That's true. Fight or flight in humans is wild. Now imagine giving this computer all the information that we possess, right? Yeah, and then giving it self-preservation. That's right. Yeah. So we're saying, like, hey, we're not letting these machines possess this capacity of power.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:25

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:25

Right? Like they they can't, like a machine can't hold a gun right now, right? But they have, yeah. But that's another thing we're talking about. Right. That's a whole nother yeah, but that's a whole nother rabbit hole of like, okay, they may not be able to hold the gun right now, or but they can in some situations. But either way, like you're giving them what's more powerful, right? Yeah. The pin or the sword? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? And they're giving them a most of our stuff is digital now. We don't got paper, so they are the pen.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:49

They are the pen. That's right. So they're writing, they're writing how it's going to operate. And to Angus's point, they did not value human life in that way. And eventually, uh, you know, they're they're talking about, we've talked about this before, but which kind of is another whole other thing. But we were talking about Claude AI and how they started doing the online their online thing where it's AI, online uh social media, and a lot of the stuff on there. To our point, it's whether or not it was actually programmed by a person that's doing this through the AI interface or that's doing it itself, but they're interacting, talking about how to deal with the people who are programming them, which is not exciting. You know what I mean? You're like, okay. Um, and so they've talked about that. One of the things that's interesting is they're not so certain, at least it's reported, that some of these things aren't already sentient, which I don't know how they would say yes or no on that. But what they're saying is that it's emulating close enough to a person making decisions that you can't tell. So that's a really interesting idea, whether or not it's actually there, I doubt it is. But the idea is that it's getting close. Very, very interesting.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:52

Well, then there's also the side of the the spiritual side where you know uh there's uh the people who say that when you ask it different things that that you're actually talking to demons and stuff. So how much of this, how much of that uh is, you know. So once you get to the line, how much you know, where is it? Because we're creating a a bridge that that you know the demons and and the spiritual can can physically use too.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:16

Yeah, we jokingly would talk about, you know, anytime we had problems with sound or media at church, especially back in the day, we'd always be like, oh dude, there's demons in the sound equipment because you're trying to figure out a problem that wasn't there five minutes before you started. And there is a real adversary to us that could obviously make things be problematic, but more often it's troubleshooting. So now the AI side, it's hard because there is now uh an understanding where they're trying to make uh an entity, they're trying to make a standalone entity that makes decisions, and we know they're a spiritual realm that are real beings, and so their ability to take this over or not, who knows? But it is a really interesting idea. Yeah. So Jamie, you've seen this thing about the Google Google chip that you just they're coming out with. It's an AI-driven chip, and they say that it can solve a 10 septillion year problem in five minutes. So that's a scale. That's an interesting idea. That's insane, dude.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:05

What do you think about that? I mean, it it it's all right. That's my bad. No, you're totally good. It kind of just speaks to just the rapid development of technology. I think we were talking about this in one of my first semester classes about how it's like technology will double itself in terms of like relative speed. I think every it's supposed to be 10 years or something. It's like uh I want to say it's Moore's law. Or the doubling of everything to a certain degree. Yeah, in like a specific span of time. Yep. Um, but it's pretty crazy. It's like to think that it could solve now what kind of problem speci is it like some I think it's math kind of problems or or these big kind of like you know atomic problems.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:45

I would assume so. Yeah, yeah. It's like a math thing that's not supposed to be able to see.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:48

Something dealing with like chemistry or astronomy, something that like they can track for that long. Very robust, very intricate. Yeah, I I can imagine. But I mean, it's super cool that it's able to do that as long as there's somebody controlling it, kind of like to the effect of what AI is talking about, or else if you give something that much quantitative power that has more ability than ever human any human ever could have, it could run diagnostics all day and figure out mathematically a more a much more optimal solution to something that may disregard like human morality or disregard like other intangibles that we as humans like to preserve, that a computer is just like I mean, materialistically, that doesn't make sense. So we're just gonna go do it this way. Um there are movies about that, yeah. Kind of just to speak to the AI thing. I think as long as you have security measures or like a physical database that is not attached to technology whatsoever, kind of like the way that we use a uh a key system for nukes that like can't really be taken over by anything else, then you sort of have a fail safe, but at the same time it's like right.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:50

You really yeah. So I don't know. How do you have a database and not be connected to technology at all? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:57

But I mean like everything is a physical server. If the server's down, then AI can't function unless it truly is like a spiritual entity. But at the same time, it's like if all the Grok or all the open AI servers shut down, it it wouldn't work for like that span of time.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:11

So there was something I was just watching too, where like it's it's another one of those like movies or shows, and like an AI becomes sentient. Right. And now it starts building other data data centers and other servers in remote, undisclosed locations, right? And it's like laundering money through different corporations to power itself.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:29

It's like, man, I mean Yeah, I mean that's the ability you would have because it's not gonna have the controls to James Point. You need some kind of like safe, you know, double key kind of thing and and safe key to turn it on. Yeah, like a kill switch, yeah. Yeah, to do those things. You know, it's like um Sam Altman walking around was forever with a backpack, so he had the kill switch to to uh open AI or one of these things in his backpack, and you're like, okay, what you know what I mean? Like, why do you need to carry that around? Well, maybe because someone could put their hands on it, you know what I mean.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:56

So well, what it makes me think about is if if you've got a problem that was previously unsolvable, what do you do with the answer that you previously couldn't have? It's good, right? So so the so we may not even know what answers we're looking for, or and the answers that we get. So I mean we could because we could stumble across secrets to the universe and in creation that we were never meant to to come across. You know, and so we could be we could be opening up portals into all kinds of different realms and you know, like the spiritual realm, things like that, mathematically and scientifically, because we were never supposed to do it, but we got the answer on how to do it. Right, you know, and so I think that that's the thing is are we asking questions that really even you know what are we putting in to it to solve? Because we're gonna then you have to deal with the answer that comes from that.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:54

So, like a new version of an old problem in in some kind of trying to find the answers, like what we were going back to Solman and that example of him trying to seek wisdom and then using evil power to try to find power or evil spirits to try to find power in a different way. So similarly in this way, but now technology and this other thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:11

It's kind of like CERN, like be when they first turned it on, they didn't know are we gonna make antimatter or are we gonna destroy the world?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:17

Yeah, are we are we creating a black hole where we become in, you know, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:20

Yeah, so are we gonna are we gonna type in a question that is ultimately going to, once we get the answer, you know, isn't CERN that thing in Switzerland?

SPEAKER_04 1:14:29

Yeah, and they have more than one. Didn't they have like a funky little like celebration?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:34

Uh dude, that their whole thing, man, it's real dark. You know, they have like the the goddess of of death and destruction is like there's a big monument outside to this yeah, to Shiva to this big, you know, Hindu goddess goddess outside, a massive thing. And to your point, had this real big ceremony that was super dark imagery. Weird, very strange for a scientific place.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:56

You know what's funny? That made me think, touching back to the topic earlier of not being allowed to say the name Jesus. Oh I saw something recently in Iran right before the war, right? Didn't they like burn a statue of Baal?

SPEAKER_03 1:15:10

Yeah, we were talking about the podcast where they they did that even, yeah, they're doing this whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:13

Isn't that weird that like right afterwards now there's like a war there? Well, I I think that was a little a little interesting though, because the uh symbol that they used was the Star of David, which historically for Muslims is connected to the Canaanites that like and their descendancy, which means it's not actually attached to David, but it's instead to people that have been cast apart from the Jewish people according to the lineage that Christ establishes via the um the separation of Ham's lineage past Noah because of the desecration that he had to his father. So, from their perspective, they're burning it in retaliation to the people that are leading the Israeli regime. It's not actually they're burning like an effigy two ball, even which I I don't know. They're like trying to destroy that and not honor it. Yeah, they're trying to destroy the image that they claim the Israeli leaders are following after instead of actually like burning the effigy themselves. So it's it's all very interesting. I personally would never choose to do that.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:10

I don't so that's a very tight big tie-in. And to your point, is very I mean, all these things, like we said earlier about even the Epstein stuff, is all these things get threaded together, and we're seeing how it becomes like a tapestry of evil trying to work its way. So trying to trying to eliminate Jesus, man. Scary. Scary, scary. Hey, um, talking about something more local to us, um, Arizona, for whatever reason, has been kind of a hot spot to try out everything on us. So we've had we're early with Waymo, we're early with uh delivery drones and all this kind of stuff. Uh Amazon's rolling out their new taxis, the one that they've been in Vegas and only mainly on the strip. The Zoo Zooks, I think is what they're called, Z-O-O-X. Um, taxis, robo taxis, they're rolling them out here as well as Waymo, Tesla also. They're also doing their taxis here. So Tesla's doing their taxis as well. They're they're gonna launch their taxis here as well as Zooks, but Zooks are already being made. So the Tesla, the Tesla taxis are kind of a rendition of their current Teslas, but they're gonna be no, there's no driving. It's just all self-automated. And so there's no stick, like no um there's no steering wheel. No steering wheel. And so the Zooks actually, you sit in it and face each other, it's like a more like a pod, whereas the other one is more of a normal car.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:17

That would have to be for like super localized traffic, like side streets only, because I couldn't imagine, because that's why they did away with that whole there was some car. I think it was a Lincoln or maybe a Mercury or something back in the day where it had that. It had seats that faced from the front seat to the back seat. Right. And so that way it was like a conversation room in the back of a car. And I think they did away with that version. Same, same. Yeah, it's safety.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:41

Yeah, I I mean I I guess I don't know. I would assume they have airbags from the ceiling or something, you know, like to be in between you. Probably. Um, but yeah, it's a good point because you I don't trust it, man. Is it only in like downtown at 10 P? I think I'm assuming they're going to keep it localized just like they did Waymo's. Now Waymo's just got the green light for highways and so yeah, that's right. So they can be coming out to us now? No, that's crazy. Javen and I were at a at a we were talking about being at a golf event not too long ago and even uh baseball games and stuff recently. Do you see Waymo's everywhere? And people are like, you know, they're just running around. I mean, we had four or five of them in a parking lot that couldn't figure their way out of the parking lot. That's hilarious. Saw the same thing at the Phoenix Country Club. That's it. Same exact thing. 100%. So that that stuff happened all the time. So it'll be interesting to see how Zook's taxis are being used differently. I know uh Saudi Arabia and and and also um the UAE, we're talking about rolling them out and doing all those things. So that's something that continually is something that we, you know, be paying attention to and what's going on there.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:35

So this is so wild, dude. Standing out in front of the Phoenix Country Club and this Waymo's using like the sidewalk almost as like a roundabout. And this dude's like he's half baked trying to get into this thing. He's like, Okay, you're gonna let me get no, you're gonna drive somewhere?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:49

Okay, like five minutes later.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:52

Waymo can't figure out where it's going, what it's doing. Yeah, he doesn't know whether to get in or call an actual taxi.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:58

Yeah. Well, in these in men used uh variation, obviously not Amazon's version, but um the Huawei version and some other, I know B, was it BY, uh the one in something, uh their big brand in in China. They've been running them out for a long time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they, I mean, there was a I saw a Westerner girl, so a white girl, she looked European to me uh from her accent. She was saying, Oh, I live in Shenzhen, and yes, I use this, and it's like a driverless thing. She gets right in and goes where she needs. She goes, uh, I'm at live in Shenzhen, and I get don't drone delivery on the street. Walking down a street, there's one of those boxes we talked about, and she ordered food from someplace, and here comes a drone, it comes down, sits on top, delivers it into the pod. She goes in and just the door opens up, she puts a code in, opens up, she gets her delivery right there. The drone flies away and get reloads it. And so other people are getting other deliveries, not just food to get, you know, if you needed a oh, I need a power supply right now. Well, I'm right here at a you know, Indian school on 113th Avenue. Boop, here it comes. And so she's just talking about it. It was real wild. Dave and I were watching it together.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:57

We're like, dude, this is crazy. Yeah, it's so wild. Like, I I think especially to be in that big of an urban city and just have everything integrated like that is so useful because, like in China, you have these huge mega cities that a bunch of people live in. But for all of their transportation systems to be integrated and essentially run like clockwork with virtually no real incidents, the only ones we see are like the driverless cars in the middle of like random roads and things like that. When they change the roads when they do construction, it makes a problem. Oh, 100%. But as far as like their actual railways and like their drones, they've been operating relatively without major fail. So it's interesting to see how well it's working over in the east and how well integrated it can become. But I think just because of the nature of like the hesitancy of Americans to things like this and the great divide we have between like a technologically pursuant age of like young people versus like technologically aversive older people that own and run everything, we're kind of gonna be walking that fence for a while.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:52

So that's true. Javen's been in it in one of those in the Waymo. I know I've been interacted with Waymo. You have you been in those things? I don't trust it.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:01

I have not. It's not bad. I believe it. I believe it. But I'm gonna believe it from over here while you're in the Waymo. Watching you do it. That's right, Doug.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:08

That's right, Doug. I got a car. I'm all right. Angus, we think, man, jump in the zooks and run downtown.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:13

I mean, if I if I have to, uh I'm not scared to. I know Jesus, but uh at the same time. But at the same time, you know, it's it's not necessarily what I want to see in the future as far as all driverless cars and stuff, and so I vote no with my wallet. Yeah, okay. Um, so it's it that's how I kind of see it. Like if I need it, uh I'm I'm not scared to use it. Uh I just uh but I think you know that's exactly what'll keep it from being like over in in China and stuff, is because like we've talked about before, uh in China, they can just do things because they can regulate from the top down. So um and so that's why uh that's why it's gonna take a lot longer. You know, you know, it'll take a couple of generations for us for America to kind of catch up to where China we might see it in pockets.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:05

Yeah, I think we're I think here in Arizona we're in a very unique situation where we are driving dependent. So it makes sense for them to roll that out here because everyone has to have a car to get around. It's really sad because we didn't get we built after World War II and the Sun Belt, whenever they did air conditioning, that's when Phoenix and Houston and Dallas really came online and blew up really big in Southern California. All of us grew exponentially, and then recently even more so because those expensive places they started to come here to make us less expensive or less less uh inexpensive and more expensive as more and more people come. But uh we didn't have the infrastructure, we don't have the big trains like Chicago and New York and the East Coast, we don't have any of that system, which I wish we did. So I think what they're gonna do is end up using this type of thing where it's like, well, there's 200 zooks in a line. You jump in one, it takes you down the freeway to wherever your stop is, and then you get out and go to this next spot. And I think that's how they'll treat this. Instead of doing a train, instead of putting the billions of dollars, they still have the train to nowhere in California, hasn't even gone anywhere yet. Instead of doing that, they'll do these, and it'll be like a it'll be like a uh a lane that's just for that. Yeah, and you'll jump into Zooks and it'll go a hundred and something miles an hour, zipping you down the road, and you'll get to San Francisco lickety split. Yeah. Yeah. And and that's why everybody who's revolting against this will end up in a biker club.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:23

Motorcycle club.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:25

Yeah. What about we meet at my house on Tuesday? Motorcycle club against clankers.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:30

Oh my goodness. I was like, oh no. Oh no, bikers against clankers. Oh no, did we just start a motorcycle club?

SPEAKER_04 1:23:40

No, because I I I hear that and I think of like wild hogs, you know. A bunch of like older, heavy set dudes with like fingerless leather gloves and chaps.

SPEAKER_02 1:23:52

Chaps, come on, dude.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:55

Oh yeah. I just flashed to like a recent picture of uh oh, what's his name? Uh Lost All the Weight was in in a Jonah Hill. Jonah Hill. He's like a director and stuff. He's still lost tons of weight. He's really really thin now. And he was kind of a bigger guy, and he's walking around in like some artsy kind of thin shirts, and then like these like chaps. I was like, this man out here right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:14

I don't know if that's for a role or if this is just his normal, like his new fit. But just wild. I was like, this man's wearing like goat chaps or something to his goat chap. Pretty crazy. This guy's out here.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:24

Hey man, goat skin leather. Fire.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:26

I'm kind of sad that Gate shot down my next life group idea. Bikers against clankers.

SPEAKER_02 1:24:34

That's gonna be on your life group for summer of 26. It's just that'd be crazy. Uh join Pastor Angus and his life group. Uh, Spikers against clankers.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:42

What kind of bike would you get?

SPEAKER_00 1:24:44

I don't know, but I'd just go cut off Waymo's and cut off Waymo. You just cut off Waymo's and hit the brakes. Oh no.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:58

He's gonna have like homemade EMPs that he goes and just shoots around at Waymo's through town. Amazing. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:05

I respect it. One of the things we saw recently was that scientists, they're on one right now, man. They have two things that I really see that's been crazy is they did uh they put they were able to um establish brain cells in a petri dish, load them, connect them up, and give them a protocol to a video game. So it's an old video game that I grew up playing called Doom, and it is these brain cells reportedly are successfully playing Doom by themselves in a Petri dish, are able to play the game. What do you think about that, Jazz?

SPEAKER_00 1:25:39

I don't understand how that works, but I saw I saw that, and it's just the concept is just wild. Yes, that the they're creating it because I remember the game. Yeah, of course. I played it a ton.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:52

You know, I was thinking about like Gutenhabin. You know, you're like, oh no. You have all these like German phrases that are in there.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:57

Yeah, so I mean, I I don't fully understand exactly what all it looks like. I'd have to watch some watch some stuff or read some stuff on it, but it's wild to think that they've got a petri dish playing a video game right now.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:09

Yeah, my natural thought was it has to be AI that's programming playing this game and it's just plugged into this petri dish or whatever. That's my natural, like, you know, like a pessimistic thought was, but interesting to think about it. We see Java.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:20

I think uh I think I did read something about this. It was it had to be attached to some kind of computer component because they needed uh electrical stimulus in order for everything to work in the interface, yeah. But it also like kind of constitutes a really interesting idea that dates back to what Elon was trying to do with Neurolink, like in relation to the monkeys and teaching them to play Pong or whatever. Right. It's like what really constitutes a consciousness or like what actually can exist out there? Because especially with AI kind of like revolting against its coding and stuff like that, right? What is really alive anymore? And it's such a crazy question to ask, like, because we're in the 21st century and like historically this would have never been a problem, but within the last 20 years, we've seen all this development, so it's kind of crazy. Um, obviously, it has like no concept of morality or like I but at some point does it know that it exists, or is it just there to come like complete a function? Because a monkey can if you teach it to do something, or like a dog or even a dolphin make decisions, yeah. And they're ranked like on intelligence and things like that, but at the same time, they morally can't really understand anything of like oh, this is a good or a bad action. Right. So, like when when it when you read through Genesis and things like that, it's interesting because we're made in the image of God, but that phrase is so like encompassing of something intangible that we can't quite speak to. Well, uh yeah, exactly. But it's it's it's interesting because what does that actually look like, at least in the form of of a human being? Because obviously we know like um people with disabilities are a like na they're more prevalent now than they've been in the past just because of uh the increase of the human population, but it's like In some ways, the things that we we have now have almost more functionality than some of these people that are like heavily restricted in that capability. But those people that have disabilities are more human. Of course, I got visual. So what really constitutes like what it fully means to be human? And I think this question will continue to be asked over the next few years. And just kind of like, and really from a Christ-based perspective, it's it's interesting to think about because it's such a dense question. And I think people forget that so much of what it means to be human. And then it stuff like this comes along, and then you it really forces you to think like from a super abstract perspective. So it's I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:40

I wonder if the donor of the brain cells was like born before you know before 1985 because therefore they're good at the game. Yeah, yeah. Can I beat the Petri Dish brain cells at the game of death? Yeah, yeah. That's the better question I have for I think. That's a big question. That's a big one. That's a big question. That's a big question. I like what Javen's going because that does bring it back into it's the same conversation we keep having about um why we believe life starts at conception, that spark of life, what we've been talking about, how they've seen that you know as um that that moment of life, that spark within, you know, as as we see those two parts coming together and that spark that happens, we see that happen there. And how others have tried to devalue, you know, a a growing child in in utero and what that means, and call it embryo, call it all these other things, and call it different stages of different pieces because they want to be able to harvest a non-born child for for all sorts of medical reasons and do exactly what you're saying. So I think it should it it will be interesting and should be something we pay attention to going forward because there is value in that conversation about who we are and whose we are in God. Another idea with scientists is that they have loaded a fly's brain, reportedly one cell at a time, into a computer program that had a simulation of a fly, and then therefore the thing that it was quote that was supposed to be loaded into started just living on its own and reacting like a fly in the game. What do you think about that, Jazz?

SPEAKER_04 1:30:04

Strange. Why would somebody I mean I I I get it, like we're in the pursuit of technology and like growing where where are you what are you reaching for? I'm gonna download this brain's this flies brain into this computer and see if it starts to move. And then it moves. Now, like, what's the next step? Yep. Where do you go with that information? Obviously, you go to the next more complex.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:28

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:29

But like, what is the what is the end goal? Is it to take us and put us into programs and then allow us to like you can live the life you've always wanted to live.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:37

All you have to do is plug into this. That's right. That's what they're that's the end goal that they've stated.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:42

They've state Yeah, where you can transfer your consciousness into another, yeah. So you can can basically I can go live in this world.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:50

Well, uh you your consciousness is recorded onto chips and you know, and in is encoded and then can be transferred to other so as long as you live on a server somewhere that to your point get has power indefinitely because the AI is can making it be there, then you would in theory continue to exist.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:07

What was that movie that just came out?

SPEAKER_03 1:31:09

Which one? Star uh is it uh electric state? Is that similar. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. For sure, where the kid goes into the robot and like is living as the robot.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:18

Yeah, like all the people who are around just like live in filth and they just plug into this program that then like they get to be somewhere else. Yeah, no, that's exactly right.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:26

And that's yeah, that's exactly right. There is a show, I think it's called Altered Carbon. That's uh it's not necessarily appropriate and and all those things, but it's uh yeah, militarized drone or militarized uh and humanoid robot. Yeah, so they're everything is stored at the base of your spine, and then when you die, they take that out, and so it becomes then this thing of uh there becomes a religious divide within the culture of the people who who are, you know, they uh when they have their chips removed or whatever, they're s segregated from society because uh they're you know they're no longer part of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:03

Yeah, they're dying, and other people that they're seeing themselves as being killed or murdered whenever the chip dies. So yeah, that's a really interesting thing that which will come back to faith as a conversation going forward for sure. Last thing we'll talk about with this idea of creativity is robots. And we've talked a lot about robots on the podcast, but humanoid robots are being rolled out by the China military. We talked about that before, but recently saw a video of human trainers training the robots on how to hold the gun accurately, how to load it, how to do these things physically. So the smartest thing you could ever teach a robot how to use a gun. Yep, yeah, super, super not scary at all. What do you think about that, Jazz?

SPEAKER_04 1:32:40

Uh armor-piercing rounds sound expensive, but useful from whenever the robots revolt against you. You never know. Stops folding your laundry, starts starts attacking you. I mean, come on, bro. We'd laugh about it right now. Give it 15, 20 years and see the capability. It's just like you're saying it doubles every 10 years? Yeah. That's the law, that's the theory. Yeah, yeah. Imagine it being doubled.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:02

I know.

SPEAKER_04 1:33:03

Now you're surrounded by them. I'm not, I'm not, I don't think I got a 10-foot hat on. I'm calling them clankers just yet, but I mean I was just talking to somebody about this earlier. The concept of it's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Sure. In the same way, it's better to be prepared for the worst. I'm not, you know, I'm not doomsday prepping here. But I'm also saying, like, there are many things, and like number one, the salvation of your soul and your relationship with Christ. That's one, right? Right. The safety and security of your home and your family, and making sure everybody's provided and taken care of. That's right. That's number two. Number three, it's self-preservation, bro. Like going right back to it. And one of those things, if I if I see a robo cop, man, tell me you ain't getting some armor piercing round. See some robo cops rolling out, man. No, thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:55

Uh I'm gonna work on a pocket EMP and see how that goes. That's an EMP comment. That's right. Um, hey, one of the things we talk about here is community, and in doing so, we are right now focused on this idea of Kingdom Builders. And Kingdom Builders is our missional pro uh process and thought process on supporting missionaries and missions works organizations around the world. Um, here at Cornerstone, we've been able to partner with over 40 different ministries and missionaries every single month. And actually, it's a lot more than that. Um, as we've done one-time gifts and other things, it's actually more than double. But consistently, it's over that number every single month that we partner with to make make those things happen. Um, you know, we were we were missionaries across the world, church planted in Europe, did the same in the Middle East, supported by people who gave of their own volition and of their own heart to help support us. No one owed us as a missionary, but it was really a thing that we're walking by faith and and trusting for the support to come in so we can continue the work. And in the same way, we want to be those that support our people we've made a pledge to. And so one of the things that we're challenging our community of faith to in this this month, specifically in these two couple weeks here, is to make that next faith promise for the future. The faith promise is not just that. It's between you and God, saying, as God enables me to do so, I will give X amount of dollars to missions this year. Um Celeste and I, we we raised our our our support um promise this last year, prayed about it. I felt like we were supposed to, we kind of both were like, okay, how much are we were we increasing this? Knowing that it has to be stuff that comes in because our budget is our budget and we have margin and other things, and we're like, okay, so we know where we're at. But as God gives us an extra blessing, then we'll take a piece of that blessing and turn it back in. And as he enables us to do so, then we'll see this goal realized. Yep. Very thankful. Um, man, got our taxes done and a little feedback that way. We were gonna dip into some savings that we had to finish out our pledge, but got a little bit, a little bit of a of a tax return back um for overpaying the government for taxes, and we got to use our money for a while, and then we got it back, and then now we're able to take that and give that as our last piece of our to make our pledge, which I was like, wow, this is awesome. Like, I'm very thankful for the blessing of God to be here. So that's a challenge that we are living out as people who are asking others to join with us in this endeavor. So it's powerful. Uh my question to you guys is um the balance of of the thing within ourselves. I mean, it's a real it's still a really good thing to be people who enjoy what we do and things like that. So, where is your line in your heart with your hobby versus mission support?

SPEAKER_04 1:36:26

I'll put it like this, right? So, like over the last couple of years, my wife and I have so one of the first years we made faith promises, we got nowhere close to meeting what our faith promise was. Everything else got put first, and that all fell to the wayside. Last year we really dialed in and we decided that our efforts were going to be more geared towards God's efforts and not just ours. Right. And so, like, we set a standard for our faith promises, and Lord be praised that we we not only managed to reach but exceed that faith promise faith promise last year. Awesome. And it's one of those things, like it's there's no there's no boastfulness in the thought of like I gave X amount of money. Yeah, we're not talking about that yet. No, but like there's there's so much joy that comes in seeing it and knowing that like all of the good that I know that the Lord is doing around the world around the world, yeah, not just from others, but from me as well, in in being obedient and giving back to the Lord what he calls as his, plus out of the abundance of my heart and what he gives me back into the kingdom building.

SPEAKER_03 1:37:34

Yeah, very much like seeds to be put forward, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:37

Absolutely, and it's so amazing to see it, you know. Uh it's so much fun to be a part of it, yeah, and to get to watch these families and to see all the change that's happening around the world, the places that they I'll never I'll never see, right? And they're out there reaching hearts and building the kingdom of God, yeah. And I get to know that like there's a little bit of what I'm doing that's helping. Yes, and that's so exciting, it's so cool, man. I I absolutely love being uh your your your dad says it in such a great way of being partnered with God and building his kingdom.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:08

Yeah, amen.

SPEAKER_04 1:38:08

And it's so amazing to be a part of it.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:10

I love that. That's a great perspective and a good testimony of what it means to be those who had the the good heart to do something, but maybe didn't follow through with it, and then be the people that follow through with it. That's a huge difference. You know, from us, we're not tracking anybody down, it's a pledge to be you between you and God. The reason we record them is because from that number, we're gonna make commitments to people out outside of here. And this money's going out of the house, it's not staying with us. So since that's the case and we know, okay, where can we make commitments to people? What projects can we be a part of? What does that look like? So powerful idea. Angus, what do you think, man? Hobby versus mission support, it's an interesting tension.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:44

I think it's it's all about perspective and and how you where your perspective is coming from. So for me, um I I think the biggest thing is is go on a missions trip. Yeah, it's good. Uh go out outside of your context, you know, because um when when you're in the line at Starbucks getting ready to spend seven dollars on a on a coffee, or you know, uh we recently went and got senior taco, dude. It was almost 60 bucks. Yeah, that wasn't even so but then you take and it was good. Yeah, I'm sure. But take that seven dollars, take that twenty dollars to Malaysia, to to some of these other things, and see how far it really does go.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:28

Yeah, way farther.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:29

You know, and uh and see the context that other people are living in. And and realizing that that seven dollars that is such a I mean, that it's it's such a luxury, it's no longer a luxury, it's it's normal. Right. It's what you do every day, right? You know, and and so that that thing that one I mean, I remember when Starbucks was a luxury and it was like you know, before they were on every corner and and all that stuff. But it I think that once you've seen somebody else's context, then you can easy it's easier for you to draw your line because you can't, I mean, you can't save everybody.

SPEAKER_05 1:40:06

Of course.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:07

And so uh, I mean, you can't abandon all everything for for you so that you can can do that. But what I what I like about with Kingdom Builders is that it's not and and and going on a missions trip, it's not like you know, sending Shelley Winters your you know, your $20, yeah, $2 a month or whatever. Um you when you go and you see where the money's going and and the impact that it's making, that makes you really that coffee doesn't necessarily taste as good because you're like, ah if if I could make this for you know for two dollars and then send the other five. Perspective. It's it's a huge, it's a huge shift. So I think that for everybody that line is different, but I think you have to if you're if you're gonna draw that line from an American context, you have to have uh a perspective of what what other people are living with.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:59

Absolutely. I I felt personal conviction that I needed to give more to missions than I was spending on my own personal hobby. And that was just my own line. Um, you know, as a missionary, we didn't have any extra money, man. We had one sole income, you're working for an NGO, you're not making money. But now it's a different story. We have two people that are working, you know, it's a different thing over in the States, and so we have more of a gap of what we're able to do versus what you know what bills we have and things like that. And so obviously we give to the Lord first, and then we we give our missions pledge. So me doing my hobby, which was like doing golf or buying sneakers or whatever else I was doing, you know, buying yeah, buying pew pew by view pew stuff. Um I really enjoy that kind of stuff, and there's nothing wrong with any of those things as long as they don't become the priority for what I'm living for. And so I we our our mission stuff always went out first. And so it was I was never operating from a place where I was taking from missions money to go buy another pair of kicks ever. And so that was one thing that I feel like you know, people get out of sorts, like, oh, you have these shoes, or that you have this, or you have maybe have a nice, you know, like like gauge or show up like in a nice, like um, you know, like a nice flannel, and like, oh, you got another flannel, huh? It's like, well, he works, he uses money how he wants to use his money, but it's they're also giving emissions, but they don't need to say that first, they're just gonna live as a steward of what God has. But there is a piece of tension there where it's like, hey, we have to make sure the priorities are right in doing what they're doing. So Javen, you lived as an MK and that whole thing now as a guy who's working and doing all that kind of stuff. How do you feel about the mission support?

SPEAKER_01 1:42:27

Uh, I mean, I'm personally I I am looking to step into that, especially across this next week as we look towards pleasure. I I'm in a place where I barely started making money, like I want to say a few months ago or like actual anything substantial. Um, but I do remember like before it'd be so funny because they would take uh speed of light offerings at like youth camps and things like that. And I'd look at like the $50 in my wallet. I was like, oh my gosh, dude, I'm gonna have to give all this away, aren't I? And then like, yeah. And then I remember there was a um yep. There was uh oh, whatchamacallit. It was snack bar fund. Yeah, it was either me or Shiloh, and I think mom had this one time, but I want to say it was me back when I was like seven. But um, or no, it was Shiloh back when I forget when she went to one of these uh kids camp events where mom had given her like $40 or something like that. And she was like, Oh, make sure you use this on like snacks or food, because I don't I don't know like what they really had set up for that event. This is like way back long ago. But then uh Shilo had given it all in the offering that they took and and then she called her the first thing. Yeah, and was like, Hey, I don't really have any more money left. I get and she was like, Well what'd you do with this? She was like, Oh, I gave it all the speed of the light, and this is when I think before we were gonna go back to we were supposed to go to the Qatar at the time, but before we were gonna come back to the Middle East, yeah. And it was so funny because mom was like, That money is probably going to us in some way, which is really funny.

SPEAKER_02 1:43:50

Um at the time we were recipients of things like speed of the light, which might be exactly for missionaries and things like that. So that is pretty funny.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:57

No, yeah, but it is great, and I think um it is important to give um to give up sacrificially in that way, but also first and foremost to be obedient because we know that um the Lord values obedience over sacrifice, and we say it all the time. So, within that sense, um, I mean, I'm definitely looking to to give within that way, and we'll see whatever the number may be. But uh yeah, especially kind of as I have the means to do now versus like a little here and there before.

SPEAKER_03 1:44:23

So it's yeah, it's good, man. I love that. One of the C's we talk about is competence, and in doing so, we've been looking to uh some things that have been written to us and how they can speak to our live. One of those books, and probably the last time we'll take a look at this one, is Winning the War in Your Mind by Pastor Craig Rochelle. Um, they have such a dynamic church with life church, um, you know, one of the largest churches in America, really important. Uh you know, innovators in the online realm, the Bible app, the Bible.com, and all the things they've done there amazing. Uh, his principle here in Winning the War in Your Mind, he talks about the rejoice principle is looking through, not at. And the concept is looking through the mess to see the opportunity. In his example, is the magic eye. It's these things that we used to see. They used to have them at the mall and things like that, or even books of them, where it's like kind of a a uh multiple pattern thing that has another image beyond it, but you have to kind of stare through it to see it.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:14

Angus, could you see these things growing up? I could. In fact, I just I was going through some old stuff and I found my magic eye books from from back in the day. Yeah, so I pulled them out. Uh, a few of the pages were stuck together because they have like they had been in in a box forever. Wow. Uh, and so I pulled it out and and showed it to my kids to see if they could see it. And uh one of them could see it. The other ones were like, yeah, this is dumb. They gave up after about 30 seconds. It's like, man, there would be people standing outside of stores for hours trying to see these pictures in the magic eye.

SPEAKER_03 1:45:47

Yeah, famously in Mall Rats, right? Like that's the whole thing. You're standing there all day to see it. Yeah, so you know what we're talking about. Yeah. So have you could you see the magic eye thing? No, you could never see it? Mm-mm.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:57

Yeah, I never I never really I never really had the opportunity.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:00

No, yeah, but you know the reference. Yes, yeah. So the guy's looking at the mall, he's standing there all day, he can't see it, he finally sees it. He has this uh revelation, but it's usually just like a basic image, it's like a dolphin or a this or a that. And so Sailboat. Yeah, you look at the thing and look through exactly you look through and try to see the stuff. I had always had a hard time seeing it, so you have to look through the image to really see what it is.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:20

So, what you you can't actually focus on the image, you have to look at it and allow your eyes to kind of blur, and then as you allow your eyes to blur, you almost focus on the background, and then you and then you start to look through the image. Yeah, um, so it they're wild, it's super cool. Um, I I always loved the uh doing the magic eye stuff. You see this guy right here, right? Yeah, I see it. He's looking at uh my dad hated them because he couldn't see them. Um and so I had they had given me one for Christmas one year that was framed uh that I had in my room. So uh so I would look at it and because of that, I'd walk in and I wouldn't even see the blue, I would just see the image. Oh, that's right because I I saw it so often that I would walk in and it would just because it was dinosaurs, it was 3D dinosaurs, and I was huge into that. And so you'd walk in and I would just see it. But my dad he'd stare at it and he'd get so mad because he couldn't see it.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:18

No, they're both doing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:20

All right, so you take it. You can get a look at it. I tried. I can't see anything for now, but it might just be because this is all kind of like and it's small enough. Yeah, you kind of need to.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:30

I'll bring some of the books. I'll bring the books in so you can take a look. Yeah, yeah. That'll be awesome.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:34

Just get some B rolls of me and J all the old heads versus the young heads and see, seeing if you can see through it. Um, this concept obviously goes beyond the magic eye book to the idea of obstacles we have in our life and chaos in our life, and seeing that we can see through it to see past it to the other side of what is possible and how that God will carry us through, and that He's not leaving us alone, and that our our mind we are going to make it through this, and that's why you're winning the war in your mind. So that's the whole concept of it. And I really like how it's tied to this rejoice principle, and that we rejoice in all circumstances, and the joy of the Lord is our strength, and that we're not giving up just because it's hard, but instead, that's what gives us character, it gives us resolve, it gives us tenacity, gives us skill set. So there's a piece of that to look through the message. I love that. Love it. Next one we want to talk about is from Bob Goff, and the book is called Dream Big. And the concept we're talking about today is called explore opportunities, which is a really cool kind of parallel to uh this other thing. Um, and looking forward saying that the path is not linear, keep moving towards the goal, keep moving towards the opportunity that's in front of you. And I love that. I think that that's so true. The the path is not linear. It's very much like sometimes we know where the goal is at. Maybe if the goal is us going towards the camera, we might have to go this way, to go that way, to go this way, to go that way, but we'll go towards the camera. We're not as always going a straight line at the camera. And I think that's very true. But when we left Paris, I mean, Paris is Paris, man. And we had a really good, you know, community of faith, amazing city to live in. Um difficult. But you know, as far as our financial situation, because we were funded in dollars, uh living against the euro was very high at the time, all on one income with a family and all the things that that entailed, but still amazing place, and we had good, you know, good community of faith. It was growing, really good work there, but felt by the Lord to prompt us to go and to plant in in the Middle East. So our goal was to go towards Doha or Dubai. Now as that was our goal, that's what fueled us to leave Paris. But we didn't end up landing there because of some situations that happened, and we ended up landing in Cairo, and that ended up opening the door in Alexandria. So we ended up pastoring and and being that community of faith in Alexandria, Egypt, whereas our goal was never there. But the goal wasn't the place, the goal was what we were doing, is to plant the church. And so to that end, that is exactly what we experience is that the path is not linear. It's one of these things that you just keep moving towards that. Angus, you have an example of that in your life?

SPEAKER_00 1:50:04

Um I I'm I don't know if I have one exactly uh that I can think of, but um I do know that well I'll say that I I continually reach milestones in my life where I'm like, uh now I'm an adult. You know, now I'm an adult. Sure. Um and so like starting out, the first the first thing was getting a house. Okay, or getting getting a home and stuff. And so I think you know, you you want to do end up in one spot, but as a family, you just you have to be flexible because if if you're too rigid in exactly where you want to go, um, I mean it's good to have an endpoint in mind, but at the same time, uh it's gonna be very frustrating uh herding those cats to that final destination if if you want to plan it exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:51

Exactly. And I think that's why he's saying explore opportunities, because that this might not be the ultimate thing of what you're looking at. Like we're Gage and I are talking about is they got a new home. We're talking about how this might not be their forever home. Maybe it's just the first house. And so the idea is that you buy the best for what you have and for the season you're in and what you can do, with the idea that this is might not be the forever place, maybe the next place or the place after that place or five places down or ten places down or the place. That doesn't really matter. The idea is that you are moving towards your goals, which is in your case, a place for your family to thrive. So it doesn't have to be the destination ever. It's about moving forward to the opportunity.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:25

Man, you know what's so awesome is there's so many twists and turns to get to the top of the mountain. But that's right, the peace and the joy of the Lord is with us every step. So good. So, like, although yeah, and you know, we did talk about this, it may not be my forever home, but this is such a beautiful home and such a wonderful opportunity. There's so many kids close to where we are. It's not at all where I thought we were gonna be going. Right. My wife and I went and looked at at another place before we even went to that one. That one was like a sidebar. Right. Of like, well, let's just go see what kind of houses are in that area. Right. It you're looking like 30, 40 minutes away. Yeah, in different spots, yeah. Closer to establish, yeah, anyways, it all amazing stuff. And it's like it may not be where I'm trying to go in the end. Right. But what a blessing it is to have what I have right now, right? And aside from the house, a healthy, happy family. That's right. Right? A personal relationship with the Lord, a community that I can trust, pour into, and anticipate them pouring out into me and and hard times. Yep. It's like, I mean, there's so many blessings around, and although I may not be where I'm where I thought I was gonna be on the mountain, I'm closer to the top of the mountain than I was last year. You know what I mean? So good. It may not be the same view, it may not be the view that I like, right? But I know that right around the corner there's another view, and it's closer to the top.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:49

Yeah, it's good, man. And your point that he's with us every step of the way, come on, is right on. All right, hey, one word to leave the podcast. Jabin? Conviction. All right, Angus? Encouragement. I love that.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:05

What do you say, Gage? Epstein.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:08

Oh, gracious, alive.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:09

Come on.

SPEAKER_03 1:53:10

If that's the case, come on. Come on. Uh, I'm gonna say Jesus. Thanks so much for being a part of the collective.

SPEAKER_02 1:53:18

We love you, much love to you, wherever you are.