Dinosaurs and Dragons | CRNRSTN Collective - Episode 29

In this episode, the host, J, along with co-hosts Javan and Angus and Gage, discuss the incredible stances of faith of Mexican Catholics protecting their churches from feminist protests and exorcist priests leading a charge against Satanic presence worldwide. The four of them also look at interesting developments in relation to theories behind dragons and dinosaurs being connected to Biblical accounts in the Old Testament as well as flat mesa forms potential being trees of the Old Earth. They also look at the developments in AI models that are now learning at incredible rates and predicted to take over human jobs much quicker than anticipated. The squad talk about new developments in technology as well, with the Buckeye building a 37,000 acre community called Teravalis, and humanoid robots malfunctioning at restaurants and appearing on podcasts. Finally, the group looks at the importance of donating to missions through Kingdom Builders as well as what it means to take action in spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

Hey friends, we're so glad to connect with you. Welcome to the Cornerstone Collective. My name is Jay. With me today is Gage Lee.

SPEAKER_08 0:06

What's up?

SPEAKER_05 0:06

As well as Angus McLeod. Hey. And Javen Brown. Hello, hello. Hey, we're talking about the idea of intersection of Christ and culture and how we're called to live as Christ followers in this world. So often we talk about these seven C's, they're seven C statements that help us guide and focus in our culture towards Jesus, and that is commitment, community, communication, competence, creativity, compassion, and celebration. Today we're starting out with uh a little scripture from Romans 8. I'm gonna ask Angus to read it for us.

SPEAKER_00 0:35

If the spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus will also give life to your mortal bodies through his spirit who dwells in you.

SPEAKER_05 0:48

Amen to that. Amen. Hey, our commitment is to Christ, and we've been talking about how um people focused on their on their walk with God, how they've been interacting in in society and a lot of things that we kind of deal with as Christ's followers and trying to live uh as unto him. And so the Lord help us. One of the things we've seen recently is that Christians have been standing up, specifically in Mexico, and dealing with um these protesters which were trying to burn down churches. Now, we've talked about this happening in the UK and in Canada. It's been happening recently in Mexico. It was actually radical women's groups who are anti-church and anti-establishment were burning down, they were tearing down crosses, uh, smashing um different statues and things like that outside of these big Catholic churches and in uh and Christian churches in Mexico, but trying to literally set them on fire. They had like literally like torches and were trying to set them on on fire, and you had women other women's groups protecting the church. Uh, pretty powerful to think about and from from that perspective. Jamin, you've seen a little bit of this stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:48

I sent it to you. What'd you think? Yeah. I mean, it's pretty crazy. It uh the fact that this is happening from women's groups, I think startles a lot of people, but at the same time, like just thinking through this kind of operationally, it all kind of makes sense because if the if the enemy really wants to break down civilization, he's gonna start with the family unit first. Yeah, and understanding where the roots of things like the feminist movement come from is people that want to disestablish the family unit for the sake of advancing their own capital. So at the at the end of it, it's all self-centered, and then it's everybody feeding into that kind of propaganda and thinking, oh, I don't need a man, I don't need anybody except for myself, I'll be self-sufficient and I'm not gonna, you know, like settle down, have a family do whatever. But at the back end of that, it's like it's essentially the exact same thing of why people kind of reject the church, and that's why I think this is uh like an adjacent outward expression of their anger with society or the way that like they believe that the patriarchal system has kind of like oppressed them for so long, it's all just kind of but at the at the end of the day, you realize that the reason why it survived for so long is because it's what gives us the most structure, and and biblically it's what has given us the most structure for this long. So it I mean, once you like really take it through a thought process, it kind of makes sense that this is all happening now. And I think this is culturally what's happening in places like America and Western Europe, but it's just actually being actualized over there by women's groups, so it's interesting.

SPEAKER_05 3:12

Well, and I would think too, you know, the other side of that naturally would be, you know, oh, these women, these women's groups are activists, and a lot of times like liberal media will side with activist groups of women no matter what they're doing. In this case, they're committing arson, which here in the states, crimes in the states, you literally can shoot a person that's committing arson because they they're start starting a fire that could kill innocent people. So that's one of the things that they give you a green light on if you ever go and do uh you know, a concealed carry course. That's one of the things that they're like, hey, if this person's ever trying to threaten violence against this person, they're gonna take their life, you can intercede. Arson is one of those. So the fact that these women, these other women, these Christian women were coming and surrounding at their own peril. These women have bat they have all sorts of stuff. They have they had hammers and hatchets and obviously torches and other things that like rocking around with a butane torch and other things trying to set the building on fire. And they they could use that against them, and they're standing there not trying to fight, just locking arms, saying, No, you're not gonna do this here. Which I was like, wow, this is it takes tons of guts, man, tons of courage to stand up and be like, No, you're not gonna do this. And it's another women's group that's actually making this statement. So it wasn't a bunch of guys that were doing now. There were other guys that were doing that helping protect, but it was mainly women's groups that were protecting these buildings, which was pretty powerful. Gay, do you get a chance to see me this?

SPEAKER_08 4:23

The Lord be praised. Uh very little. I didn't see as much of the stuff in Mexico as I did across the world, which is kind of it's interesting the fact that all this is taking place, and I don't know what it is that we're supposed to be taking our eyes off of and why this is all like there's so much to be focused on across the world, just seems really like all encompassing for like everybody who's got a concern about something, yeah. You should be super concerned because something's happening to it. Yeah. And yeah, I don't know what it's trying to pull our eyes or our thoughts away from, but you know, I find safety and security in the fact that as long as it's wrong in Christ, we don't gotta worry about it.

SPEAKER_05 5:00

That's true. And you know, obviously, we know as as people of God that the church is not just a building, it's not a building, it's the people who do have these spaces that are set apart unto him, and and they're made for that reason. And many times, especially the older ones, are very beautiful. Most people were not literate, so the story of the gospel is being told in the art. You know, we're in a room that has some stained glass windows. Actually, at the top, I was getting blast in the face by some stained glass earlier today, um, which is uh, you know, kind of a beautiful problem. But uh, you know, that's what a lot of these churches represent. And so I think it's terrible for them to want to, you know, it was such a heartbreak for me whenever the Notre Dame uh was burnt in Paris. I mean, I've been I spent so many times taking people to Notre Dame to show them the rose windows and to show them the beauty of the building, um, realizing that it's a building, but it is set apart as to worship God. And so I think there's something powerful about these people that are protecting there. Angus, what's your take, man?

SPEAKER_00 5:52

I I think it's so the enemy is so clever.

SPEAKER_05 5:55

Right.

SPEAKER_00 5:56

Because this this whole women's liberation uh stuff was started to free women, but when you look at the Bible, Christ freed everybody. Yeah, I mean there's there's there's so much more liberty given through the word of God than any of it. And it's so funny that uh that he's been able to twist you know the such a group of people to think that the thing that is their freedom is the thing that's actually binding them, and the thing that they're you know, it's just their destruction it's so wild to me how uh all you have to really do is think about it for just a little bit, I think, and and feminism falls apart. I mean, it it's uh women obviously are equals and and all of that stuff, but um it's just it's wild that they that he's gotten these people turned around so yeah, and I think the motivation is not just um it's not just based on those things.

SPEAKER_05 6:52

I think it's motivated something much spiritually darker than that, obviously, to go out and to try and attack specifically these buildings instead of the governmental buildings or other things that they kind of gone and attacked. That you know, so there's a lot more to that story for sure. Thankful for those with the moxie and the guts to stand up and do something about it. Powerful.

SPEAKER_08 7:09

I'd stand in front of this building, you know what I'm saying? Come on, man. Come on.

SPEAKER_06 7:13

Appreciate you. We do okay. It's mostly brick, but the Lord be praised.

SPEAKER_05 7:18

Hey, one of the things that we've seen also is people using their uh testimony for the Lord. We've been giving a lot of examples of that recently. One of those that we talked about in past days was Dude Perfect. Um, J Bo, you grew up seeing all these guys do trick shots and dude perfect.

SPEAKER_02 7:31

Been watching them since like 2015, so like 11 years at this point. It's pretty sure they've been on forever on YouTube. They're OG, man. So pretty cool their testimonies personally. Oh, 100%. And because they're so big, not only as a brand, but as like as being actual like recognizable figures within pretty much all of media at this point. Yeah, it's it's so powerful to see them be extremely intentional with what they're doing and how they're representing the message of Christ to younger audiences because they understand not only who their audience is and how impressionable people are that are typically like between the ages of like eight to twelve, thirteen, whatever their like usual span is. But I mean it it's awesome that they've continued to be so consistent in that process. Like I remember when they were doing their first tour, I want to say it was just before COVID happened, and then got delayed because COVID like kind of hit the middle of their tour. Right. They did a behind the scenes thing, and before every single stop, they would just pray, pray as a group, pray amongst their staff and with their cameramen, and it was really powerful. And it's good to see that they were being truly intentional about what they were doing, and they weren't just like putting on an act and being like, oh yeah, Christ save me, but I'm still living like this crazy life on the side. Right. But that they're actually not only building their brand around that, but they're being very intentional about it with their family life and as a as a group. So it's just it's been it's been awesome to continue to watch them be faithful in that journey.

SPEAKER_05 8:50

And I'll say it's interesting because you know, obviously they they have 50 million subs plus, and it's like, you know, all of them are multimillionaires, they could do whatever now and and really be about, like to your point, be about themselves. But you know, they're not that way at all. In fact, at the end of this, the end of their tour live, they actually have a moment where like, hey, thank you guys so much. And they close their tour out. They're like, hey, if you want to stay here in five minutes, we're actually gonna come back out and give our own personal testimony about something that's changed our life. And so, you know, the thing is over. Like the tick, the thing, the ticket they paid for, that thing is over. But then they come back out really super simple, sitting on stools, and they give their testimonies each and then give out people opportunity to respond. And they give an altar call, essentially. Angus, you've seen a little bit about this? No, I hadn't seen it. Oh, you didn't seem that? Oh, wow. Really cool, man. Wow.

SPEAKER_00 9:33

I'm gonna have to check it out though. Maybe that's why they're anointed to make baskets and stuff from the phone.

SPEAKER_06 9:38

Yeah. What do we say, Javen? Tyler Tony is one of the best athletes of all time.

SPEAKER_02 9:41

Yeah, 100%. I mean, like, I think the breakdown versus battle wins is like some ridiculous percentage of like finalists and like, dude, like you watch any challenge, he's basically completed it. Like, I think when when he was able to get a hit off of like the pro pitcher or whatever, just it solidified him as one of the greatest ever did.

SPEAKER_05 9:59

I will say it's pretty impressive. I mean, you think about he he did start as a quarterback in Texas, where that's a really hard thing to do. So if you're playing that he was playing at a real big high school, playing as a starting quarterback for Texas, you know. Um now, I mean, obviously, they're people that have wealth, they've done investments, they have all these brand deals and stuff. So he lives literally next door to Dak Prescott, which is like the highest earning quarterback in the NFL who plays for Dallas. So he lives literally next door to him, and he's like talking about it, like where they're you know, had kids coming to the their cul-de-sac to get candy for Halloween, and he's like, maybe we should lay low, turn the lights off and stuff.

SPEAKER_06 10:29

And Dak Prescott's like out there with the table chilling, talking to people, and he felt all embarrassed. I'm like, Yeah, dude, yeah, probably so. That's literally. You seen these guys, dude perfect? You got little dudes, do they do they do any trick shots?

SPEAKER_08 10:41

Yeah, it's funny enough. You know, I'd seen little bits and pieces, but it was never anything that really struck my interest, honestly. Um, but my kid came home with a little keychain lanyard for his backpack or something that was a dude perfect. I was like, dude, what it what's perfect, dude? Yeah, you know what I mean? And so I ended up looking it up, and it is outrageous to think of how long they've been doing it, how many episodes they've put out, and how many trick shots were in each episode to culminate into how many different like scenarios that they had come up with of like, all right, let's see if we can put this ping pong ball in this freight train moving at 85 miles an hour with the wind blowing 25 and that you know, I mean, just all the crazy stuff that they're doing. It was just interesting. Interesting to think that that concept would take them so far, so long. And then, like, now hearing about it, it just it you start to understand why something so small can go so far and so long, because it's not it's not them that's doing it, right? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 11:42

Yeah, it's like God working on their platform and giving them a favorite.

SPEAKER_08 11:44

It's an anointing.

SPEAKER_05 11:45

I love it because they have these big partnerships with big outdoor things like Bass Pro and these big, you know, big pieces like Hasbro and these big game places, so we have all sorts of Nerf guns and cool things that they do and all that outdoor stuff that they've done. And it's really neat because you know, I I grew up as an outdoorsman, so I've hunted and fished and that stuff my whole life, and and to be see them go and do it at a different level.

SPEAKER_06 12:04

I'm like, that's pretty rad, man, to have this kind of sponsorship behind you. They're like literally fishing at Mass Pro in the tank and stuff, like messing around playing hide and go seek.

SPEAKER_05 12:13

And I'm like, this are these are good, and it's clean, yeah. So you can watch it with your family, you don't have to worry about it popping off, you know. Like there's some stuff that we enjoy, even the three of us have talked about a little bit about British humor. You can't watch British humor too much, man. They drop too many, too many bombs in there that you're like, nah, I can't really watch this with like you know, kids and stuff. It's just not it, just not they're not clean at all. So whereas this is really clean, you can watch it with you know, you have to do it.

SPEAKER_08 12:37

Dude, you know what makes me sad, and it just makes me think of it, but there was uh a show on YouTube called The Outdoor Boys. Okay. Oh yeah, they're done, they're done, and crazy enough, do you know why they're done? No, I don't know. Because the guy who ran the show, he wound up stepping away from it to spend more time with family. Beautiful, amazing, great. Uh-huh. But also he's now like one of the leaders in the um Church of Mormon. Okay, like in the Church of Latter-day Saints in Utah or something. He's one of the leaders in the in the church. Okay. And I was like, dang it. I I can still watch the videos, right? Yeah. I'm still gonna watch the videos. Because it's him like going to Alaska and like all these other places, and he's just he's just hunting, fishing, camping, building. Like he would go to Alaska and dig like these 10 foot deep into the snow igloos. Well, and drag his like, I think he had like his three-year-old, his son was three at the time, drug him out there on a sled, on a sled covered in caribou skin, built this igloo, camped out there with his kid for like a weekend, and then packed his kid back out. And like they're sitting there, like he's got a fire inside the igloo, and like it's just crazy outdoor boy stuff.

SPEAKER_05 13:48

That's cool.

SPEAKER_08 13:48

Yeah, so cool. He's also cool.

SPEAKER_05 13:50

That's cool. Content, uh, you know, I I'm just thinking about that as a dad. And if I had Javen or my girls with me, either one of them, I dude, I don't I wouldn't want them out there in grizzly territory, bro, where they're like a little snack. You know what I mean? Like, there's no way, man.

SPEAKER_08 14:05

Well, technically, vast majority of California or uh Montana, right? That's all grizzly territory too. But you know, you know, I mean carry when you go into the mountains.

SPEAKER_05 14:14

Yeah, but I mean, California, they haven't had a grizzly there and it is not really. I mean, maybe upper, upper California. I mean, it's on the flag. It was that was grizzly, but I'm saying, dude, everybody hunted them to death. Oh, bro. I didn't even know that. Uh it's like pointless for them to have that on the flag. They should have tons of black bears and brown bears out there, though, don't they? Yeah, yeah, they still have some of that. But I mean, the grizzly.

SPEAKER_08 14:33

You say it's not the same when that boy running up on the dude.

SPEAKER_05 14:36

It's not really no black bear is like, you know, it could be our size, it'd be six foot. But I mean a grizzly? Yeah. Think of a six-foot-tall bulldog. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm with you, but that's bigger different than a 12-foot-tall but dog dog.

SPEAKER_06 14:50

That's all I'm saying. I'm not I'm not trying to diss a black bear. Shout out black bear. Wherever you're at. But yeah, no, I think it's just crazy. But I mean, man, shout out to him for the skill set.

SPEAKER_05 15:01

Oh, it's wild. But I do love Dude Perfect. I love their testimony and what they've been doing with that. Uh, we talked a little bit about a few weeks ago uh about this concept of uh an interview that Sean Ryan did, which that guy has a one of the largest podcasts uh right now going out on um Spotify and on Apple Podcasts. He's in the top ten. Uh Sean was a previous Navy SEAL, a CIA operator, and some other things. It really came to his his it came to faith. He had a Catholic priest who is an exorcist on, and I listened to the listened to it. It's over two hours, and so I was I was doing a bunch of stuff here uh the other week and listened to it. Very insightful, obviously from a Catholic perspective, but they're doing a lot of exorcism and talking about what that is. But their group of exorcists have essentially gone to the new Pope, who happens to be American. They've gone to him and like, we need reinforcements, we need more people to know how to do exorcisms. They're having that much issue with spiritual problems with people uh being attacked by demons. So crazy. Angus, what do you think?

SPEAKER_00 15:57

No, I I I 100% believe it. And I think uh, like we've said before, we're gonna see more, not less of it. Um when we were in Nepal, um uh one of the missionaries that we were talking about, they basically that's what they would do is they'd say when there was somebody who was demon-possessed, they say go get go get those people, the AG people, because they know how to deal with them. Yeah, um, and so there uh there was a lot of a lot of that stuff. Yeah, um and so yeah, we we spiritual warfare is very real. It's also it's also where the American church gets really uncomfortable because as soon as you start talking about it, it you have to make decisions. Yeah, you know, um, and it it's once you acknowledge that that side that you can't see, you have to start living by the by the codes. You know, that fence is real thin. Oh yeah, yeah. That's right.

SPEAKER_05 16:47

That's right. Man, pretty, pretty interesting. Javin, have you seen this? Have you seen some of these guys on exorcisms?

SPEAKER_02 16:52

I have it, it's it's definitely crazy because this is uh the fact that this is like more of an issue now just kind of speaks to the prevalency of like spiritual things being brought to light, especially within a Western context. But it's also sad because at the same time, not only do you have these spiritual attacks that are happening, but there also seems to be like almost a systematic attack on the Catholic Church as a whole, and saying that like the way that the structure is is that it's like supporting Satanism and things like that, which is like we know that's false because the heart of the Catholic Church is definitely st definitely still with Christ and his teachings, whether or not there's interpretations here nor there, and whether we fully agree is kind of like like their heart is very much still after Christ, and the way that the Pope has been intentional with trying to re-establish the um the Catholic Church within that alignment and making peace with uh with the Orthodox Archbishop, I think, of of the area at the time is is very intentional and he's being very good about it. But it's also it's it's dark and seeing people uh like tie Jesuits to like evil things and things like that. But just because one or two or three or like a very small portion of of this group does it does not mean that the majority supports the exact same agenda. So there's not only a systematic attack against the Catholic Church, but there definitely is a spiritual attack as well, and all of it is one way or another prompted within a spiritual attack.

SPEAKER_05 18:10

So and it's interesting because obviously that you know it's like nowadays if you become a pastor, there's a lot of training within our circle to become a pastor. Like there's multiple steps, there's three levels of of your order to get become an ordained minister, and then from there there's even things and training and ongoing stuff. But within their circles, you know, you might be able to become a priest and go through and get your master's and then your doctorate of divinity and do all these other things, does not mean you have the skill set to deal with the spirit realm because that's not their normal stuff. Their normal stuff is doing sacrament, it's doing mass, doing prayers, other things like that. But doesn't mean they're they're geared up to be able to deal with an exorcism of spiritual things. Gay, do you take a look at this stuff at all?

SPEAKER_08 18:48

Touch and go. I mean, I've I've skimmed across it. A lot of it's really brought me back to the concept uh in scripture. And if any one of you can help me with what scripture it is, I'd be awesome. But basically, it's talking about whenever these gentlemen go to cast a demon out of somebody, and they basically get worked on and then sent out into the streets bloody screaming naked. Oh, yeah, and the demon had said, you know, like, oh, I know Jesus. And I know Paul. And I know Paul.

SPEAKER_00 19:13

I don't know you.

SPEAKER_08 19:14

And you are exactly yeah. So I I yeah, 100%. I can understand why the Pope might be reaching out asking for this reinforcement, like, hey, come get trained and come to battle because we need warriors.

SPEAKER_05 19:25

Yeah, so it's interesting because this was a group of priests that are trained as exorcists that are actually asking the Pope for more people and more training, more essentially resources to train more people for that reason. So yeah, it's it's really interesting because you're right. It's like, hey, if you walk into this thing, you don't know what you're doing, it's more hurt, it's more hurt than help.

SPEAKER_07 19:41

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 19:42

Because you're essentially giving more fodder to the fire than than actually putting out the fire. So yeah, definitely something to that, but it just shows you, you know, that this stuff's becoming public, it's no longer like hidden and kind of quiet or maybe shown on a movie screen to spread people out during October. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, this is like real, real. So there's definitely something to that. Also, to that end, we definitely have seen where through that lens of Hollywood, how so many of these things that are being depicted in Hollywood, they're connected to real life events because so many people were like, oh, this is this is depicted in a way that I'm like, nope, I've seen that in real life. That's a real thing. Someone has experienced this that's now translating it onto screen, which is a very interesting thing. And she we talked about that a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 20:21

Yeah, well, also, I mean, there are um, you know, they've admitted to because they want authenticity and and things like that, when they do spells and and stuff on they're using real spells, they're doing real incantations and magic and and all of that stuff. And so um, you know, when you open up your when you're playing that in your house, those spells are being spoken in your house. Yeah. Uh, there have been a lot of shows that my kids have wanted to watch that ducktails. Okay, ducktails, one of my favorite shows growing up as a kid. Yeah, okay. We went to go show the kids ducktails. First scene of the first episode one of the ladies dancing around a pentagram. Really? And I'm like In ducktails? In DuckTales.

SPEAKER_07 21:07

Why?

SPEAKER_00 21:08

It was like within the opening scenes, uh, Magic of McDuck. She's doing, and I'm like, my parents let me watch that. That was the first one episode. And I'm like, can't be watching duck tails.

SPEAKER_08 21:17

Sorry, kids, no duck tails. Yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

I don't even know that. Yeah, I had no idea that I had seen it even. You know, but uh, but that it's it's being hidden so well, um, and sometimes not so well, but the reality is is they just all the all the words have to be spoken. Wow, you know, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_05 21:35

So so scary. You know, just be aware, you know, that obviously one, we serve a God who's greater than any of these things, so we have authority in that way in the name of Jesus Christ. And so it's not by our own authority, it's not by our own doing, but it's by the power of Christ, Christ on the cross, and his forgiveness for us that we are liberated from anything that would come against that. So if you're in a place even right now where you're feeling oppressed, you're feeling depressed, you're feeling like you have some kind of a spiritual attack happening, you can you can proclaim. Jesus' name over you, over your life, over your relationship, over your family, and stand in this truth of who he is and his power over everything that is spiritual. So we proclaim Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. Amen. Hey, one of the things that's been interesting, uh, it's been popping off on the internet, which the internet is the internet. So we're gonna say that's a first caveat. One, two, um, a lot of things have been happening where people have been talking about specifically dinosaurs, which man, I don't know about you guys. I was a huge dinosaur guy growing up, huge fan of dinosaurs.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

I was gonna be a paleontologist. No, yeah. I was gonna be a paleontologist until my first term paper that I had to write in fourth grade. It was such a painful experience. And then my dad said, Well, if you're gonna be a paleontologist, you're gonna have to write a lot of these. Yeah, it's all paper. Next day I wanted to be an archaeologist. I found out you had to write just as many papers, and then I had no idea what I wanted to do for the next 30 years. You're like, plus, I don't know how to use a whip. And that's exactly what I was wanting to be. You just want to be Indiana Jones. I wanted to be Indiana Jones.

SPEAKER_05 23:01

I'm pretty sure you have that hat though, don't you?

SPEAKER_00 23:03

I do have that hat. There you go. That's a whip.

SPEAKER_05 23:05

Gage where you're dinosaur guy. You seem like another like a dirt guy into the dinosaur bones. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_08 23:12

That is crazy. You seem like a dirt guy.

SPEAKER_05 23:15

I think that's true. I'm thinking about you, concrete, rolling things, you know, like skateboards, dirt bikes in the dirt. I'm like, you know, I could see you liking monsters that come from the dirt.

SPEAKER_08 23:24

I did. I did. I don't mean to prove you right, but yes. Yes, I did like dinosaurs. I wasn't like super heavy, right? Like my kids have like all the little dinosaur toys or whatever. Yeah. But I wasn't super big on it. I liked the the concept of it. And honestly, the the validity of dinosaurs to me was also always kind of funky. Yeah. Like you got the bones and everything else, but it never really clicked with me. And again, internet's the internet. I mean, I don't know if the internet's out here just trying to prove some wild misconception I had as a kid of like, I don't know about you. And the internet's now like you're a right to question dinosaurs.

SPEAKER_06 24:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 24:04

But there's it's like you said, there's so many things out there that's like, it's this is an interesting topic. Let's pick it apart and show everybody why they're wrong.

SPEAKER_05 24:14

Yeah, and I was to say, on the on the line of all the conspiracy theories having some kind of validity to them nowadays, which is terrifying. We're talking about different ones that pop off with that. Um, the the last headlines that we've seen is that people are tying dinosaurs are actually dragons. That's what that's the statement. Dinosaurs are dragons, and they're saying that all of these other dinosaurs, like i.e., they're taking using the T-Rex for as a big example. Obviously, the T-Rex, big, big thing, big massive dinosaur. We've all seen the bones of a T-Rex. As you walk into like a museum or something, really impressive, very cool. Obviously, we've all seen Jurassic Park, uh, one of them, and you know, like see the impressiveness of that. You know, like, oh, that's crazy. And they're saying, no, this is actually just the remnants of dragons and how dragons were real, were a real thing and existed. And obviously, that's a big fight within you know, scientist scientists and talking about how to how they do their their research on how how old tissues are and etc. etc. So it's a battle for sure happening right now. Yeah, Javen, you've taken a look at this, you've seen some of these things about them talking about dinosaurs and dragons. Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

I mean, it's it does raise a lot of questions because, as to your point earlier, like behind every conspiracy, there's at least some sort of validity in some sense. And I mean, it makes you think like even from a biblical perspective, we see evidence of like the Nephilim and we see and we understand that spiritual beings very much can take a physical form, one way or another. We understand like the idea of the dragon and revelation. So dragons are in some sense very real. Whether or not they existed as in the form of dinosaurs or whether or not they were actually like flying creatures that we saw potentially much sooner than we think are still out there, is definitely kind of still in the question. But it is it does make you think a lot, man. Like, as especially with like what we were talking about la last podcast with like reptilians and things like that. It's like, man, like dinosaurs do not seem out of the realm of possibility at all.

SPEAKER_05 26:03

Yeah, was this a scriptural thing where it's um a spiritual being that's kind of coming to our realm like a seraphim that would be described in you know, like that in that way? Is that what a dragon is, or is it an actual physical thing that was an actual animal, like the way we think of dinosaurs today, or what? And so a lot of them are saying that the findings are happening. One of the people that that that talked about this, there's a lot of different like wacky conspiracy things I've seen on this. But one of the accounts that actually appreciate is answering Genesis, which is come from a faith perspective. And they said that the thing they were talking about was really actually about rate uh radiocarbon dating and saying how it's off and how that they can only go back so far as well. Like 50 to 80,000 years or something. Right. But the thing is that they're now extrapolating because they're like, oh, well, this had to be much much older without ever proving it. Not just that, but they're saying that a lot of these quote fossils that they're finding actually have l have soft tissues still intact, which means it's not possible for them to be that old. And that they can actually take these t tissues and test the proteins in them, which means that they're actually indicating that. So there's over to their point, they say that there's over 130 uh research papers indicating live tissues in in fossils, which is a problem for scientists because that means that they could actually go and try to recreate what these things would be. That's crazy, which is an interesting idea. So, and and I don't mean from like an amber and the whole thing like the Jurassic Park narrative, which we know, you know. Although we found it in a mosquito who did the although dope. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not that they're not trying that. No, I don't, hey, I wouldn't doubt it. But the idea is that this they're saying that there's a lot more validity to the concept of of Jolding. Yeah, them only being a couple thousand years old. Right. The other narrative is very, very interesting, which we'll tie to here in just a second, is that actually a lot of the details from we always kind of come about it from the West from a Western perspective. So we always think about it from kind of like the Greeks and Romans and that perspective. But if you look to actually the Chinese narrative and the way that they took their records, it was very much about stuff, but they had things that they kind of atoned spiritual nature to some of their writings. So even like the different dynasties were talking about that. So it's really weird because even as they talk about their zodiac and the way that they track track their year, all of the animals are real animals except the dragon. Seems a little bit strange. I don't know. Like you know it's like, why would you include a rat and a monkey? Like we could have picked cooler things, but then also a dragon, why didn't you also not have like another kind of mystical beast in there instead of a rat? Does that make sense? Come on. So I don't know. Come on, that's what they're making a point of, just saying that these are some ties that are here that and in this other stuff. Obviously, there's people who think that they found like um fossilized dragons that are they've seen in the rock and other things like that, and they're like, Oh, these are actually depictions, and so whenever they don't line up with dinosaurs, then they hide them.

SPEAKER_08 28:45

Then they wind up committing suicide.

SPEAKER_05 28:47

Or whoever, yeah, you're talking about the paleontologists or the archaeologists. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So again, this is all conjecture. But the idea is that it's really interesting for us to grapple with from a faith perspective because you know, we don't have to deny dinosaurs or prove them wrong or anything. We believe in a creator God. And so on his timeline, be it six actual days, which he could do, or six times or six seconds, it none of it matters because the Lord can speak anything to an existence in any rate he wants to. So he's not wrapped by by time he gives that to us as an understanding. But the idea is that we believe in a creator God who has that narrative for us. And so it's interesting as we try to grapple with these things because we're like, okay, then is there actual is there some actual truth to it? Is it actually only a couple thousand years old? Were there actually dinosaurs to fight the knights? Like, is that a real story? You know what I mean? You see St. George and the dragon, or is it just mythic? You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_08 29:39

So one of the bigger questions though is like, alright. Two animals in front of you, which one are you more fearful of? A dragon or Leviathan?

SPEAKER_02 29:47

Leviathan.

SPEAKER_08 29:48

You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 29:50

So like if we're But it's Leviathan, not just a water dragon.

unknown 29:54

Dum dum-dum.

SPEAKER_08 29:55

You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_06 29:57

Yeah, that's interesting. Good point. Double double double Leviathan chariot?

SPEAKER_08 30:03

Who knows?

SPEAKER_05 30:04

No, that thing is huge, dude. It's it's so big. The longest ropes of all time? Yeah, it's it's terrifying. Am I gonna be like uh the Targaryens riding said dragon or Leviathan?

SPEAKER_06 30:14

I I don't even know. I don't think it touch this thing. Is that is that is that is that the future? Is that what the Lord has given us opportunity for?

SPEAKER_05 30:21

He said, You'll rule and reign with me. Can I ask for from a dragon? Like, Lord, I know you're saying cities. Is there any chance I could choose dragon as an option?

SPEAKER_06 30:30

He's like, No, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_05 30:33

Fun to mess with, fun to think about, fun to talk about for sure. Uh, in in alignment with this, another piece of the conspiracy world has been some of these interesting mountains that are flat-topped. And so they're talking about how they feel like some of these mountains, they look like petrified trees. And so how some of these big mesas, like out where we are in the west, I mean it's like mountains that are normal mountains, and then right beside them are massive flat-topped things that are breaking off real clean, and it it it's broken off on top. So we call it a mesa, like a table. But it's interesting because there's there's some some concepts about that. About no, actually, if you do if you think about it and look at the rings and the way they work on top of the mountain, this is a massive petrified tree. It's interesting, interesting. What do you think, I guess?

SPEAKER_00 31:17

Yeah, well, so I I think our books, our history books, our science books are all written by the richest people.

SPEAKER_06 31:24

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 31:25

You know, and so the things that we know are uh are disseminated to us from people who want us to know certain things. Correct. And so um on on a lot of these things, like dinosaurs, like these giant trees, I I'm I'm open to the possibility. Open hands, yeah, and I hold on to it. Yeah, I I mean I'm not saying yes a hundred percent, but you know, you look back to the oxygen concentration back in in Eden and uh in the garden and all of these things. The earth used to be different. You know, we know that there was a different oxygen level and and all of these things, and so who's to say that it that they weren't trees? I'm open to the possibility, but I'm also not gonna say they're definitely not because I mean just because my textbook said so. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 32:11

It's interesting because then you think about obviously these big narratives that we see, like Avatar, which have that very narrative about these big mega trees on this other complanet, and how it's like a connection to people, and you think about that and you're like, this is a really weird narrative that comes out of nowhere. So very interesting.

SPEAKER_08 32:27

Gage, what do you think, man? Trees, mega tree. I I think it's only evidence of Paul Bunyan and how real he was. And Blew the Ox.

SPEAKER_05 32:36

Come on, the biggest barbecue of all time. Ooh, can you imagine that on a spit? Come on. How much, how much Lee Bones uh dust would we need for that bag?

SPEAKER_08 32:45

How much dust would a wood dust dust if a wood dust could dust dust? Something like that, yeah. That's right.

SPEAKER_05 32:50

Those are good, so no, um, Gage's dad, they have like a seasoning company for and and they run a they have a butcher shop. So they're definitely in the world of barbecue in a big, big, big way, like do do big shows and all that kind of stuff, and it's really high-rated content, so really good stuff. So I'm just thinking about that, man. We use that dust all the time.

SPEAKER_08 33:09

Dude, what I would give for just a small plot of that ox. Yeah, I mean, just give me a small little strip of land on that ox and I'll dust it like crazy. Living on top of a steak. Come on.

SPEAKER_07 33:22

And you know what?

SPEAKER_08 33:22

Those mesas. Have we lost the plot? No. No, we're back. We're back. The mesas have always kind of looked like trees. Like, regardless of how you break it down, especially where's the one? I don't is it Kansas, Utah? Do you know which one I'm talking about? They call it like uh Devil's Gate or whatever. Okay. Do you know which one I'm talking about? It's the it's the massive one. Oh, they have ones in Utah like that. Yeah, even the four corners up by by the Navajo Nation, they have big. This one's surrounded by forest. Okay. This one's surrounded by forest, and in the middle is just this one giant table mesa. Okay. And that was kind of the one that solidified the concept to me of like, maybe there were giant trees. That then turns to the point of like, okay, what happened to the trees? Yeah. Did they get knocked? Excuse me, did they get knocked over during the flood?

SPEAKER_05 34:07

Yeah, some people were saying the angels cut them so that the giants couldn't survive.

SPEAKER_08 34:10

And that was the other concept, right? Is like, were the oxygen levels just to support the different life that was on the planet at that time? Nephilim. Sure. Dragons. Sure. All the things.

SPEAKER_05 34:22

And from that perspective, they were saying the same argument that Angus was saying about the air oxygen level about, you know, actually dinosaurs are just really big reptiles because you had more oxygen, they grew big. That was it. So it's like, yeah, you you have this big thing, and actually it's just big gator, you know, or big whatever, guan, or whatever you're saying. So I'm like, yeah, it could be any andor all of that stuff.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

Jim, what do you think, man? No, I mean, dude, this is this is terrifying because like well, the reason why is because termites there's a bunch of Antarctica theories flo floating around about how, like, have you heard about the ice wall? Yeah, sure. Yeah, there's a bunch of people that that think that the ice wall is protecting uh essentially what is remnants of like an old earth kind of theory. Oh, yeah. And I think that's where a lot of uh the narrative of like reptilians or like an actual reptile society stems from is that the reason why there's so much governmental and worldwide protection of Antarctica, but it on the surface level, it's very unknown. Like if you look up everything in textbooks and figure out like who owns what and like what's actually in Antarctica, it's very ambiguous. There's a lot of like really steep drop-offs that they don't really talk about. They're like pyramids from the sky, exactly. They don't look over or like there's like alleged ice walls that people will go to. Like the one of the funny things is when people were saying how when uh Mr. Beast went to Antarctica, how he saw the ice wall and didn't say anything about it. I think that's more of like a meme, but it's it's pretty funny. But I mean, the more that you find out about stuff like this, and like if this is an actual valid theory, it stems it, it stems a lot in like what they've been saying about things like Antarctica for a while, or like really old maps that we have of the world where there's like an outer ring that they don't talk about a lot that's supposed to be like uh essentially protecting like an old earth that we don't live in anymore. So it's I don't know, man. That's crazy, yeah. It's not out of the realm of possibility. And I think even from like a biblical perspective, it it could be supported because we don't have full knowledge of what any of the old earth look like, and we can't say definitively that we ever will until shitty Terry, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 36:19

Yeah, it's go see him face to face and be like, all right, I need I got some questions. Exactly. You know, what's cool is that it talks about you know how there will be no pain, there will be no suffering, all this stuff. So it means that he won't hold back the answers from all this stuff. No, what we know is that we will have an understanding that's different than our understanding now. We talk about how we see into eternity through a mirror dimly, right? The concept is that you're not getting a full understanding because we don't have that full mindset. We're not there, we don't understand in the spirit realm in the way we do now. And so I think it'll answer a lot of these questions. So, does it matter to me really that they were trees or not? Not really. Doesn't really matter.

SPEAKER_08 36:51

Is it gonna matter to you any more then? No, you're gonna be in his glory. What is any of this gonna matter whenever you get up to the Lord? It's a great point.

SPEAKER_05 36:58

It's a great point. I think that he'll give us some clarity that'll show that'll tie the story together in a little bit different story, sure. And it and that will give us some insight, and that'll be like, wow, that's interesting. Because I think you know, we're not done yet. You know what I mean? He has some some things for us to do, and so I think that's some of the piece of that. But man, what an interesting concept.

SPEAKER_00 37:13

Yeah, and and the way I see it is when we have that, we'll have a more uh full appreciation for what he did. Absolutely. Once we have a full picture of everything that was unseen, yeah, you know, and it's not necessarily all right, God, now I need to know why he did that. It's more of like, yeah, no, this is an understanding of this is everything. Yeah, and then you really truly appreciate what he did.

SPEAKER_05 37:35

Absolutely. All right, unhooking from the conspiracy train of of dinosaurs and and mega trees. Uh, we'll go to this c this thing I saw recently. I sent it to you guys. It's a Chinese pastor, and he's sharing in his son in his sermon about some ancient uh documents that they found during the Han Dynasty, and he's talking about it from that perspective of the leaders in China who they were tying to the concept of a star that arose in the period would have been Jesus' life, and essentially validate that. And essentially, from the leader's writing himself, the emperor's writing, he's saying that the man of heaven came and died in this time, which is wild. The revelation that's there written in that in the document. Pretty crazy. Javen, do you see this?

SPEAKER_02 38:15

I have seen this, and it's also interesting because it uh we understand that like uh the the magi came from the east, but it doesn't say how far they came from the east. Sure. So the documents and interpretation of the documents that I've read is that in supposedly like four or five BC or like a a while after, they they would have finally gotten there just because of how long it would have taken. Or yeah, sorry, I said BC, but yeah, AD. Um they would have finally gotten there and returned with the story or whatever, but it's it's very interesting because if the Magi were Chinese, it would actually make sense based on our understanding of how geography is now, especially at the time, it wouldn't have been that different. So it it's kind of crazy just to see how like all of these narratives that we get across, not only different mythologies but different cultures and religious understandings kind of interweave and to like validate events like this and how there really was a giant star that the Magi followed, and then finally uh which allowed them to see the Christ in that way. So if if they did come from China, that's pretty sick, and it'd be pretty interesting if we got confirmation that they did in that way.

SPEAKER_05 39:18

Definitely cool for him talking about it. And I mean, you know, he's using his own culture, their own history to to validate the very thing that you know they hold as dear like as brothers and sisters in faith, which I love. So Gage, what do you think, man? Interesting idea.

SPEAKER_08 39:31

So cool, man. Like if he doesn't there there's scripture that says, you know, like if if we won't cry out his praises, the rocks will. That's right. You know what I'm saying? That's good. Yeah. The people from the east weren't there to experience it, so the stars told of his glory. That's right. And I think that's so cool. I think it's so cool, especially that they were so attentive to the astrology at the time to be able to break this down and like notice these happenings and all of it just to come full circle in order to bring God glory. I think it's great.

SPEAKER_05 39:58

I love that. That's really cool. Yeah. Angus, what's your take, man? You've you've heard of this, you've seen a little bit of it.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Yeah, I think it's really cool. And I just I hope that we uh start finding more writings and things that just prove the the gospel has been there because you know the ancestor worship and and and their current system um is is so different. Yeah, it takes away from God. And and it really does because it it has to do with your family and your answers, it really locks you in. And uh to know that there was another option out there, I think is is very neat.

SPEAKER_05 40:29

Yeah, it's amazing. Just you know, to your point, drawing all people to themselves of the Lord be praised. Amen. Hey, uh one of the things we talk about as one of the C's we say is about creativity, and we're thinking about that, especially with technology nowadays, has been rapidly expanding and uh and growing. Huge thing. Uh DoorDash, which is one of the delivery serv services where you can get someone to come and bring you food or bring you groceries or different things. They are currently paying people to do tasks. So they have uh like a camera system that they have put on themselves and they're doing tasks, they're getting paid to do tasks and being paid to watch them do laundry and watch them wash their dishes and watch them do things in their house and how they do it. And so different ones are getting paid DoorDash money to do these things. Why? Because they're gonna use that to teach humanoid robots how to do these tasks, essentially work you out of a job. So these guys are trying to get the money while they can, realizing that the AI robots are coming right behind them. Interesting, interesting. What do you think, Angus?

SPEAKER_00 41:25

This is Pokemon Go, just in a different That's right.

SPEAKER_05 41:29

So reference on that was that Pokemon Go was actually they were using a game to actually get one of the best mapping protocols ever across the whole globe of people finding stuff. So there's very, very high-res stuff about locations all the way around the globe was used by Pokemon Go. So very interesting. Sorry.

SPEAKER_00 41:45

Yeah, no, so that's just the kind of the idea is that you know they're just preparing for the next thing. It's novel and cool right now. Uh, but it's not gonna be that for very long, I don't think.

SPEAKER_05 41:56

I know. I sent it to my cousin. Um, you know, they work uh part of cleaning pools and doing that kind of stuff. And essentially, you know, it's like a great business. A lot of guys we know own businesses doing that kind of stuff. It's something we need out here where we have a gajillion pools. You know what I'm saying? What about whenever they learn they wear the they wear the things and suddenly, you know, your pool guy is not a pool guy. Your pool guy's a pool robot.

SPEAKER_07 42:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 42:17

So pretty wild.

SPEAKER_02 42:19

Jay, what do you think, man, about uh doing tasks, getting paid to do it? I mean, I'm just I was just laughing because usually DoorDash pays like terrible anyway to deliver food. So I was wondering how much they actually get paid to essentially sell out to sell out. It says that they're getting paid around $15 an hour, so it's kind of like working like a normal job in Arizona at least. But in other states, I could go like a whole lot further than that. Yeah, if you're like in Arkansas or somewhere your earning power is way lower than you're stoked, man. Yeah, that's what I mean. So it it'd be I I mean, I understand why you would do it because effective effectively you're just being like a very high productive or or you're just being a productive person in your own house, or just doing like your usual day-to-day stuff, and you're getting paid to do it, so you don't actually have to like work beyond that. But yeah, the sustainability, I mean, it'll last you maybe like a uh a month, a few months if that, and then yeah, you're out of a job. So crazy. Gaze, what do you think, man? Are you gonna start wearing them as you guys put up uh sprinklers?

SPEAKER_05 43:14

No, thank you.

SPEAKER_08 43:16

Not even a little bit, bro. No, no, no, not even a little bit. Okay. Here here's here's the issue, right? Is uh we were just talking uh not so long ago about people watching what you do through your phone or your glasses. Right. Now we're full on giving them permission to analyze every bit of what we're doing wherever we choose to do it. So, like you were saying, or the video was saying, uh you know, doing dishes or folding laundry, all these things. Like, okay, question Am I able to just sit on my couch if that's what I do, watching TV, and that's you're gonna pay me to sit on my couch and watch TV with a camera strapped to my chest? Right. Or is it like, no, you have to do these pretty. Productive things around your house so that we can. Which I mean, they probably already got a pretty good mapping of my house from the blueprints and everything else. Your TV camera. All the things that I order from Amazon, my camera on my phone, the whatever it is. But like at the same time, it's just weird, bro. It's weird. Like what now we're just gonna have one more thing we gotta buy, right? Like, oh great. They just came out with a robot that folds all my laundry in the place I like to fold it most of the times. Or like, hey, they just built a robot that'll do all my dishes for me. It's like quit being lazy and do your dishes, bro. Quit being lazy, fold your laundry, bro. Come on, man. We were just talking not too long ago as well about like doing chores is healthy. Yeah, it's sign of uh you're actually being one who thrives even better than your scores. You know what I mean? You got a much higher success opportunity if you just quit being lazy and do your chores, bro. Hold on, I'm also preaching to myself here because I probably got I probably got a couple clothes laying around somewhere that could be put away that my wife is waiting on me to do.

SPEAKER_06 44:57

When your wife hears it, she's gonna be like, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_08 44:59

She's like, hey Gage, how about you sit down and just put this on repeat for an hour? Listen to this guy talk about this on this podcast. That's crazy, bro. Yeah, I don't know. I don't like it. I don't like it. I'm not gonna strap any camera to my chest for other companies to analyze so a robot can do it for me later. I don't like it.

SPEAKER_05 45:15

Yeah, I I mean obviously they're banking on the fact that somebody will somewhere. Oh, I don't doubt that there will be plenty of that do. Yeah, for sure. And you know, to that end, it's like, you know, do you get in while you can, to Javen's point, you know, if you're making 15 bucks an hour and and that's better than what you're doing by five bucks an hour in a lower market, then you know, that makes sense for them to do it. Because they're like, well, I know I'm gonna get replaced here in six months, so I might as well make the money while I can, and then I'm gonna have to retool and figure out what to do. So, you know what I mean? Get into the trades. Yeah, I know, and that's one of the things that they are trying so hard. The thing that I most recently saw that goes along with this was that they were using these humanoid robots, and their fingers obviously can run differently than ours. You saw them doing the tightening the nuts and the bolts and stuff. They could do it faster and stronger, dude. So specific. And so they can do all three of them. They had them lined up. It was like a small, uh, like a like a small nut and bolts kind of washer piece and some other things, and they could do all three at the same time simultaneously. I was like, oh, this is terrifying.

SPEAKER_08 46:10

Yeah, that's that's totally relevant though, because all bolts are gonna be laid out flat on a table for you everywhere you go, right? Exactly, yeah. Yeah, I don't think they're ever gonna have the dexterity and the maneuverability to be able to access all the different places within building construction that you would need. So the trades are always gonna be a necessity. Same thing with mechanics, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:28

No agreement, right?

SPEAKER_08 46:29

Like, yeah, yes, things are becoming more automated. There's so many more things with programming, but like either way, you still got to pull apart this motor, get down to the nitty-gritty of something. And I just don't think robots are ever gonna have the dexterity. So if you're concerned about wages or jobs, get into the trades. Shout out local 669.

SPEAKER_05 46:45

Shout out all the people that are doing uh blue collar work, man. That's really good, man. It's a great skill set. Love it, love it, love it. Uh man, always interesting as you get into this kind of stuff. But the AI models, uh, the recent reports say that they're going to replace 93% of US jobs can be at least partly done by AI. What do you think, Angus?

SPEAKER_00 47:04

I I believe that. Yeah. I mean, I think that that's what we're gonna see. Uh businesses are gonna work towards a cheaper model, and yeah, yeah, that's we're ready player one.

SPEAKER_05 47:15

I know it's crazy. I mean, obviously, we're in the people business, so our our business is people, so it's a little bit different. Um, to some degree, you know, I the thought is it's like, you know, we think about all the projects we do around here and spend a lot of time doing projects just to kind of have a place that is excellent and people can come, feel safe, feel warm, feel you know, have be able to receive the word that we have. And so, man, what if we didn't have to focus on that stuff at all? Yeah, you know what I mean. There's like there's a real thing to me. I'm like, bro, we need to raise some funds or buy some new one robots real quick. And the other side is, you know, it's like they'll never be able to do what we do as far as as a pastor, even if they can, you know, we've seen the digital taking confession and other things like that. Still, it's the idea is that this is a people work within people spiritual, which a robot can never be.

SPEAKER_00 48:01

I think they'll try though. I think that there's gonna be um, you know, I think that there will be people who fall for it and it will because it that it won't require the same commitment that Christ requires. Correct. And so I think that people will go um it will go that route. Yep. Um so not every pastor will be replaced, but there will be uh AI pastors, I believe. And and I think that uh, you know, that that's gonna present a problem for a lot of people.

SPEAKER_05 48:27

Yeah, it'd be interesting. Jay, what do you think, man, as far as the AI replacing jobs and stuff? I mean, you know, you're studying finance right now, and the the the greatest upset is in some of those models with Wall Street bankers or you know, we were about to talk about it here in a second, they're taking a hundred dollars an hour to teach AI how to do trading.

SPEAKER_02 48:42

Yeah, I mean, it's pretty it's pretty crazy. I think to some degree um there is a lot of hesitancy, especially at like top-level financial institutions, because the one thing about business or finance within that regard is that it revolves basically entirely around human psychology. Like at one point, if everybody's like, wait, this is actually worth nothing and we need to invest at all like in this area, then your stock plummets. Or like that's the reason why like NFTs even held value at some point and then it's gone. That's why crypto holds any value at all. Right. Bitcoin overnight, if people just decide that hey, we we're not gonna use digital media at all, or we're not gonna use like digital forms of currency, it's just gone. It it equals or it has no value. Or even a dollar.

SPEAKER_05 49:24

It's basically space by the by our government and backed by them. Exactly. The paper doesn't mean anything.

SPEAKER_02 49:28

Yeah, exactly. Um, but whereas like everything that I would actually mean something is like resources that you need to survive, like water, like bullets, food, yeah, something like that. Bullets, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. Yeah. Other items. Yeah, so I mean not bullets. The the concern makes sense in the in the fact that, yeah, it is replaceable, and in theory, everything could be automated, but at the same time, like when you really revolve around human psychology like that, I think there's a lot of hesitancy to really accept like full integration of AI models, at least if it's done, it's gonna be done so periodically within the Western world. Uh China's been a lot more accepting of like immediately integrating it. We you saw like the uh the super soldiers thing that we talked about in a podcast the other day. I was like, dude, that is crazy. That would not fly with the West for at least a good few years. We would have to have like some sort of physical backing to it, just because of the way that everybody would react over here. Um so at least within the foreseeable like uh 10, 20 years, I don't think it's that big of an issue. But long term, like for like my grandkids or something, yeah, it definitely could be like a reality is like just start learning all the trades or get within the ministry business and then you have a secure job.

SPEAKER_05 50:40

I'll tell you, man, as far as that goes, I think it's gonna happen faster than you think. I think it's gonna happen in more in your timeline of adulthood than even your kids, because I feel like this stuff will get ramped up and to compete with the other societies, then that'll be the integration and that'll be the argument. It's like, well, they're doing this. That's the whole fight with AI right now. It's like, oh, they're doing this, so we need to do this. It's like, oh, they're doing this, so we need to do this. Correct. Yeah, it AI is definitely the new arms race and in the implementation of it for sure. Gay Jim, you were talking about a little bit, obviously, you know, being a part of your local, but I mean, skill set is true, man. I mean, those things are stuff that's really needed, and it's actually faster for you to become a millionaire owning a blue-collar business than it is you being a lawyer.

SPEAKER_08 51:22

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, owning a blue-collar business for sure. It's there's so many different uh intricacies that go into something that with that much overhead and that much responsibility. Not a lot of people have the capacity to run at that level. Um, if you can, all the power to you. If you need a PM or designer or something, you need some, yeah, give me up. Give me up. Shouts out, Sprinklers. That's right. Um, but like I do wholeheartedly believe that there's a lot of things that we do in the society. Like, you you'd have to reconstruct all the building plans in order to integrate the AI into systems where it would actually work. Right? Like, even now we have what what we call BIM models. So like everything is 3D printed on a computer, right? And so everything's mapped out through the entire building down to the like the quarter eighth inch. Right. So like you know, like, okay, as we map this out, we're not gonna have any interference as we go through. It's gonna be no obstructions with our trades or anything like that. This is how it's gonna work. So they make these models on computers and they're called BIM models. Do you know how often that works? Never. I've never seen a BIM model. I've never seen a BIM model where everything played out, you run it to the exact specifications. It's never played out to where you don't have any obstructions. There's always something, right? You know what I mean? So, like the capacity that we have as humans to problem solve in real-world time in instances like that, I just think is irreplaceable. So, again, unless they decide to rebuild or like reconstruct the entire infrastructure, right? There's no way that AI or robots or anything like that would have that ability to move throughout these situations and problem solve accordingly. They'd get into a place where they're like error, error, error, error clankers.

SPEAKER_05 53:08

That and that is the point. Um, that's exactly where I'll come to. I'll say the reason that they've been it's been embraced so much more in the construction field, especially in Asia, is that they have really embraced the concept of pre pre-modeling their stuff and building pieces in um in parts. So they will actually go and construct the walls or the ceiling or the floor or whatever, and they'll have it mapped out, and they'll actually do all that work somewhere off-site in you know, in some big warehouse where they have a they have a big um series of of stations. So they'll do it the the way you'd build a car, and they'll bring it through, you know, down down the chain through that process of each one doing that, and that's done mostly by robot. And so they're building that now where it's like, okay, well, this thing's gonna pick it up, and then it's gonna put it down, and you have people interacting right now for now, but then more and more of that, it's like this is now the screw gun robot, and it runs the screws on the right side, and that's the left screw robot, and it runs the left. So you're right. It's not about we build so much custom in the place, but they do it completely different so they can implement it. Yeah, so they do it mostly where it's like panel by panel by panel, they're building it like you know, somewhere else in a warehouse, and they just deliver the whole thing. That's why they can put it together in three weeks, like a 10-story building, you know, spending two weeks on the foundation, all that, that's all custom by people. And then you just use people, plug it together, plug it together, plug it together, and they just build it stay by, you know, floor by floor, like Legos. So it will be interesting to see when it changes.

SPEAKER_07 54:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 54:32

To jump ahead a little bit, there was a recent video in China where they're using these robots to serve and things like that.

SPEAKER_06 54:38

They had a root humanoid robot. I sent it to you guys the video. Dude, it is freaking out. It's looking like it's doing the shimmy shake, bro. It's like doing it. Like it's having a conniption fit, man. The the ladies who are working there try to hold on to it. It's crazy. You see some of that, Angus?

SPEAKER_00 54:52

Yeah, I I saw I I saw that one, but I also saw one where the uh the robot was playing uh game with somebody and didn't like the fact that it lost and went to go hit the person. No, and the handler like grabbed the robot before it could actually swing. But it's yeah, it's it's pretty funny. Oh yeah, it was it was not happy to lose.

SPEAKER_08 55:16

It's funny until they're faster and stronger.

SPEAKER_06 55:19

That's a hundred percent, man. There's no doubt about that. Did you you seen obviously the one?

SPEAKER_08 55:23

Oh so great. Oh so great. It's it's just giving all the validity to my argument, and I love it. It's robots gone rogue, dude. He's sitting and I don't even think it was the fact that this robot started getting angry, right? I think it was like a serving robot, right? It's one of those ones that'll walk up and like, yeah, do a drink or this dude's doing like you were saying, he was full on like getting crunk out there in the in the in the food in the you know the food courts trying to smack and plates, you know what I mean? And somebody had to go behind it, and it's luckily enough, somebody had the foresight to think, like, hey, when this thing loses its absolute mind, yeah, we're gonna need a handle for it. So they have a handle on the back of its neck, and you see this one lady walk up and she grabs it by the back in the nape of its neck and this thing's freaking out, and she's laughing at first, like, ha ha, come help me. You get like two other people that come up and grab onto this thing, and oh man, like I said though, imagine that thing is faster, stronger, yep, more agile, yeah, and it has a problem with you. Yes, for sure.

SPEAKER_06 56:25

No handle and no handle, and no handle. They removed the handle, now we're in trouble.

SPEAKER_08 56:31

Come on, because it's all smooth, no placement. You're talking about what was it, um, armor piercing rounds recently. Yeah, I think those are gonna become a necessity at some point interesting thing for rogue robots.

SPEAKER_05 56:40

We'll leave that for another podcast, Javen. What do you think? You saw this, uh you saw the doing the shimmy shake this thing.

SPEAKER_02 56:46

I just watched the video. I think it's pretty funny. It's like it's like got both hands in the air going on like this. Getting crooked, bro.

SPEAKER_06 56:51

Put your hands up in the air, put your hands up in the air.

SPEAKER_02 56:55

I mean, it just makes me think like at some point, I understand like the concern about robots trying to like rebel against against humans and things like that. And I think to some degree it definitely will as there's more artificial integration. Right. But it's also like if it models itself so much after humans, at what points do the robots like start fighting themselves or like artificial intelligence, like try to purge other artificial intelligences because they're like like imagine you have essentially like the highest form of like Chad GPT, the highest form of like Claude, and the highest form of like Deep Seek. Right. At some point it identifies like the other one as like, hey, it's not part of like our initiative. We gotta go purge that thing, or we gotta go like make it part of us. Interesting. So I don't know. Do you think that happens before or after it purges us, though? Either way, I think.

SPEAKER_05 57:39

Probably before, because I I bet you version of it will be more loyal. That's true. And I think that it'll purge the loyal version in order to take us out.

SPEAKER_00 57:47

Did anybody see Age of Ultron?

SPEAKER_05 57:49

I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead and ask the Lord to come and rapture his church before that. I'm just gonna throw that out there. I don't know if we need to interject that right now, but I'm gonna come into agreement with my brother right now.

SPEAKER_06 58:00

Lord take me or all of us. Whoa, that's crazy. Hold on.

SPEAKER_08 58:04

I thought this was a collective note.

SPEAKER_06 58:05

Collective, it is a collective.

SPEAKER_05 58:07

Me and I mean everybody else if you want. I meant more personally as if I was the past and go to the Lord. I didn't mean to pay it. No, collectively be taken and raptured. No, the other side, I'm fine with me just going. 1010. Yeah, my, you know, I'm gonna leave Javen and all my future grandkids to fight it out with the robots. So I don't blame you. Yeah. I don't blame you. That's a rough fight, dude.

SPEAKER_06 58:29

That's a rough one, man. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_05 58:32

All right, completely shifting away from robots for just a second. Um, here in the West Phoenix and Phoenix Metro. Actually, one of the largest uh master planned cities is being developed right now. It's called Teravellus. It's actually uh the Howard Hughes Foundation and a bunch of them all bought this land. It is 37,000 acres is being master planned for this community out in Buckeye beyond uh the White Tank Mountains. It'll be out there. It's uh it's gonna be eventually they they purport it's gonna have over 300,000 residents are gonna live out just in this one community which is gonna be a part of Buckeye, which is pretty wild. So what do you guys think, man? We know that right now it's just desert, baby. Ain't nothing out there.

SPEAKER_00 59:12

Yeah, but where's the water gonna come from? That's a great thing. That's always the question.

SPEAKER_05 59:16

That's always the question. We're having a fight right now with California over water rights of the of you know right.

SPEAKER_00 59:21

Well, and and you know, not to not to get onto the the train, but uh when some of these big projects are planned, I've noticed a lot of fires break out in different places.

SPEAKER_05 59:32

So you know, who knows what your tin hat yeah, which are gonna populate these 300,000 people from this one we know is gonna be out in the middle of nowhere. There is water that's sub that's uh subterranean water. We know that because we have friends who are a part of Buckeye and know what the water tables are like. So theoretically, it can still move forward. But future, you're 100% right as far as the water rights and the fight that we're having with California over the Colorado and other things. And so it is really it is really sketchy. Because as soon as it hits, you know, the people that are south of us are really freaking out. So I know um the mayor of Casagran, she was saying something, and other people because they're like, hey, we need that water too, and it's gonna come first to the metro. And you know, yeah, the Phoenix Metro is gigantic, it's called Maricopa County. Maricopa County is massive, it is massive, and so you know, like adding another 300k people is a wildness. So, you know, thinking about that, you know, needing water for all those people, we better figure out how to get water out of the air or something, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:31

Because yeah, I mean, those canal infrastructures are gonna have to get so much larger. That's right. And I mean, for the vast majority, we pump a lot of our stuff through either SRP or CAP. Yeah. So the Salt River Project or the Central Arizona Project, Salt River's obviously through the Salt River, right? CAP, though, they pump from Lake Havasu, right, up at the border of Arizona, California. Right. And I mean, that that alone pumps all the way from Havasu down to Tucson, right? And so many places in between. But it's only so much infrastructure. Right. And the whole reason we have this infrastructure is because whenever we first started to populate the Metro Phoenix area, right, the natives back in the day, they had a whole ecosystem set up with these canals where they're then able to grow crops on crops on crops and make such a sustainable living. Right. But then whenever the droughts hit, it washed everything away. All these crops died off, right, but it left the canal system. So whenever people came to repopulate, these canal systems were such an easy way for us to pick up where they left off and have a sustainable life. Right.

unknown 1:01:27

I think.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:32

Yes, because they were growing so many pumpkins originally. But that was the natives. They were doing they were growing gourds here. That's what they were doing. So they were gonna call it Pumpkinville. Shout out that we're not Pumpkinville, by the way.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:41

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:42

That'd be pretty dope.

SPEAKER_08 1:01:43

I think it's B class versus Phoenix. That's a much cooler name. I don't know. You live with Phoenix so long, Pumpkinville starts to sound pretty cool. But no, I mean, like I think of the infrastructure in Phoenix. What was what was it? Halloween, what was it? Halloween Town? Do you remember that movie? It was a movie that I watched as a kid.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:02

Is it uh is it I think The Night Bear Before Christmas? Yeah, I think that's what you're talking about. No, that is Halloween Town, right? Is that where the one is fight between Halloween Town and Christmas Town or whatever? Uh no, no, I don't know.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:11

Yeah, they're their grandma was a witch and she'd take them like this town with like ghouls. Anyways, yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:17

Nah, I didn't watch that one. I was missed that one as a kid. Uh in a pastor's home. I don't know why. I don't know why.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:21

I don't know why you would miss that, dude. But anyways, yeah, I I think if we're gonna continue to build like this, I mean TSMC is a great reference point.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:31

One of the largest uh chip plants in all of America is built right here in Metro Phoenix.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:34

What's so crazy is how big that is. They just secured land on the other side of the 303 to do the exact same thing. On top of that, they're already looking 25 years ahead, just like Buckeye, to build that master community. Yeah, they're gonna do that same thing in all the desert surrounding Ben Avery. Yeah, yeah. And on the back side of that mountain, they're gonna build that whole area up within the next 25 years. Yeah, and they have however millions of square feet that they've already designated for like shopping centers at Costco's already guaranteed in that new Buckeye that they're building. Yeah, yeah. What was it called? Trevelia. Yeah, yeah, Trevellis. Trevellis, and then the other one Terravellus, Teravellus, one of the one of the T's in Vellus, you know what I mean? And they're doing the same thing off the 17, the three. Anyways, the big question, especially with all these data centers, water, water, where's it coming? But you gotta think. There's no way that people are building or spending this much money without some kind of foresight that we don't need to be privy to. Yeah, no, for sure. The people with the money, yeah, they need to know because they're the ones spending it. Yeah, we're just sitting here waiting for something to happen. Yeah, right? Like that little kid from the movie Incredibles, like waiting for something amazing, I guess. That's us waiting for the water to start pouring in. But I don't think developers would spend countless billions of dollars to just then like get to the finish line and be like, well, I guess we'll just wait another 15 for water. So there's some kind of infrastructure in place that they're building up, or like sweetheart deals that are prepared within like the political side of things to then revert water to where we need it.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:07

But yeah, well, I think the the the real argument that people are nervous about is that existing communities, existing cities, they're gonna get the end of it because all that tax has already been taken for the original buy and all the other stuff that we would get from the state. So the state is actually they're actually incentivized to sell new places and to develop new places, etc. etc. And so part of it is like, well, we can move some money away from oh, you guys don't get pools anymore. No more no more irrigation for you, no more misters at your house for you. Disgusting, you know, because we need the money for T you know for the for the chip plant. And so I think that's where some people are nervous about. Wow. That was a motorcycle. That was serious. That's way out on the road. We heard it pretty good. So that's I think where they're at. But yeah, crazy. Interesting. Um, I'm thankful. It just makes uh us think about church planting out there. Yeah, very important. Yeah, true. Pretty cool. Awesome. Hey, one of the things that it's come out become very vivid is that we see a lot of uh actually live streams are not live, they're actually faked as live. And they've been running these live stream farms. Um they found them even in the States where people were running live stream farms and they were um they were doing click farms and all sorts of other stuff. But the live stream farms are really interesting, but those are not really technically illegal because they are streaming something live. It's just not live out in the world. So what they've done is they pre-recorded maybe somebody fishing or whatever, wearing like a GoPro and they're out there fishing at their local lake or whatever. And so they have this video and then later it's just played later. So they have it like where it's set in, but that way you can put all sorts of stuff on your stream. You can look like you stream forever because they can stitch it together when it's beneficial, et cetera, et cetera, and then play it when it's more popular. So what they're doing is showing people like fishing stuff, and I'm like doing the math. I'm like, how are you fishing? It's nighttime. You know what I mean? Like and it's like day, you know, in the video, and you're like, Oh, this is how they're doing that. So they're faking it, they're faking all these lives, and they're having it everywhere, and and the bots are the bots are chatting for you. So if the bots are chatting, they have it synced up with the mic that's already connected from the actual recording. And so there's a there's a feeling like where it is real, but it's not real at all. Jim, what do you think about that, man? Interesting. Stream World is you guys' integration.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:13

Yeah, I mean, like, as far as pre-recording your stream, it obviously it's as far as like actually building a real community of people, it definitely kills your momentum because like you're not having an actual, like, genuine, genuine interaction with people that are watching your stream in real time. So you kind of lose that aspect of it. But I think the only reason why people are upset about this and why like Twitch would be against this is because they're using V-Bots in order to act like they're a real chat, because V-Boting is like strictly against uh like doing whatever, or else everybody would just boost their streams all the time with fake people. Right. Um, but I think that's really the only concern that I could see with this. I I think like just naturally, if people understand that it's pre-recorded or like have an intuition that it is, and then just like start to like recognize the patterns more, they'll just stray away from the streams, and then you'll be able to tell who's the bot and who's not, or like who who's not really streaming anything. Um, but the reason why like big streamers are like so authentic with what they do, and you can really tell that they're like reading chats like in real time. Yeah, um, that's like very easy for a human to understand. So I think like we're not that stupid yet. Hopefully, we don't remain that stupid, or we don't get ever get that stupid. But yeah, yeah, I I don't really think it's a huge problem, but I understand why people would do it the same way that they do like Bitcoin, crypto farms, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:28

So I guess their their their point was that they were doing some of that, so it looked like they were interacting, but it was all like their own their own prompts, their own thing, or their own chat bot. That's what I mean. Oh, interesting question. Yeah, thanks Angus for the like. Oh, hey, thanks, Gage, appreciate that five dollar donate. Oh, J VO, appreciate you, man. Thank you for the 20. And it's like, yeah, that's just all me.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:49

It's interesting because like I think based on the way that TOS works for Twitch, which is their terms of service, they just abbreviate it all the time, is that you can have real humans doing that. So let's say like you all wanted to essentially like boost me. If you guys were all on like multiple different accounts and they could trace it to being a real human being, you wouldn't get in trouble. But it's because the fact that it's only bots, you're gonna get in trouble. Even for the smallest amount, usually people are gonna buy like a few hundred bots if they're gonna do that. But even let's say you just bought like 50 bots, that would go a long way if like you were able to clip stuff out of it, et cetera, et cetera. So I I I understand that being the only reason why people are mad about it, but even then, like if if people are only buying a real small amount of bots, like how do you even tell at the end of the day if it's like just humans doing the work, is it just like for their friend, or whether or not it's like somebody supporting themselves just through not real accounts or whatever.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:43

Well, an argument's really back to how they make their money, their money is through marketing, and they're selling your marketed information and your content to sell an ad against, right? So the idea is that if you're not really there and that real process is not real, then that then actually the viewers aren't real, so you're not really selling to anybody. And so I think that's their major problem with with uh view farming as far as like bots and that type of stuff, because they want to sell on their side to the most, you know, the most clicks, the most views, etc. etc. So whenever we run an ad, it's gonna be very much that way. So it is really interesting where like this is a big problem for them because if it's comes unviewed, then I could, as someone who took out ads, I could sue them and say, Well, actually, these weren't real views. You charged me for something I really didn't get, which was I didn't get impressions on people in my area. This was actually a bot. Yeah, yeah. So now I can sue you because you were breach actually in what you sold me. So I understand why they'd be so vigilant to try to take those things out. That makes sense. Interesting, Angus?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:40

Yeah, I I I'm not really into the whole streaming thing. I don't uh my my son loves it, but I don't I don't get it. Uh but it this whole printing your own money thing through digital means is uh it's gonna get us into trouble. You know, yeah, sure. It's it but what's wild to me is that that you seem to be able to do that now. Like just with uh the right arrangement of your bots and this and that, you can create money out of thin air.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:11

Yeah, you're just selling a service, you're getting you're getting clicks or views or whatever. Yeah, it's interesting. Uh Gage, I mean, which what's your take, man, on the live stream? Would you be someone that would live stream? I could see you doing some cool stuff out in the world. Really? Being a streamer. Really?

SPEAKER_08 1:10:22

For sure could. You have a good, good personality and you could do cool stuff, man. Well, that's super generous, but I have no idea what streaming is about at all. I don't get the premise. It's never anything that's interested me. I also don't think like no nobody wants to see what I'm doing. Yeah. How does anybody care what I'm doing? Well, and don't sit there. That's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:44

No, no, no. I was gonna say that. I was like, why did anybody care about me? I was gonna say you'd be more surprised. I was gonna say, you'd be more surprised than you think about like what people actually spend their time watching. I was gonna agree with that. 100%.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:58

And I was like, I was gonna say, you wouldn't never thought about it. I've never looked into it, I've never watched streams, I've never like it's never been anything that ran across my interface other than like with um uh Kai. Yeah, Kai or like i show speed.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:14

But they're massive, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:15

Exactly. And the only reason that they show across my platform, anyways, is because they're out doing random stuff that correlates with like modern culture, which like oh dude, why don't you stand like start the anti-clinker stream pug stream podcast?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:28

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:29

Yeah, yeah. Robot enemy number one.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:31

Yeah, that's the smart side to be on.

SPEAKER_06 1:11:33

No, it's a terrible concept, but you make a lot of money if you're gonna be able to do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:35

Come on, kick, you'd make crazy money from that. Dude, I saw a meme recently. Dude, you can talk about whatever you want on kick. It's kind of crazy. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:46

I don't know that I would want to talk about the craziest of stuff either.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:48

No, it's probably a good show, not to do that.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:50

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:51

I just thought it'd be interesting. I mean, you know, I I mean it's the that stuff was so funny, man.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:54

Dude, I saw this meme recently, and it was like Buzz Lightyear, whenever he realized he's just a toy, and he's like, Yes, I know exactly what he walks into Al's toy barn and then it's just like thousands of them on the wall. It's like whenever uh you know, like whenever the robot police, you know, you look and see on the robot police that your your threat level is you know like minimal, and you're like, uh to that end.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:20

We recently had a ro uh humanoid robot, was a was a podcast guest on Flagrant, which is uh some comedians. They had a pot they have a podcast, not clean content. Just gonna put that out there in case you start searching this. Um, of course, they're guys, and so they're not clear stuff. That is not a clear podcast, yeah. Um they are but it was the Neo Robot by OneX Technologies, they're the one that rolled it out, and it was talking to them, dapping them up, doing you know, different things. And so it was very interesting. Like, for for me to be like, dude, what? They're just interacting with this dude, you know, this this dude, this pot, this uh this uh humanoid robot, and they're they're talking to him like he's a person, or it's a person. And I'm saying he on persona. Well, I mean, that's what I think is kind of interesting to see.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:03

Yeah, it's because uh at what point does it essentially become another human being that you're interacting with? Yeah, sure. So I mean, it yeah, I don't know. I think that's whenever clankers will be hate speech, is that what you're saying? Well, then it's just gonna be very interesting because like I think and I think we've talked about this before, but as like something gets so close to the original, yeah, how do you tell it's a copy? It's great, and it's I don't know, it's kind of crazy because like if if all AI essentially starts to take like a personality that's like akin to this specific person and then code switches with like somebody else that it's talking to, yeah, but then it it like does so like it's a real human being, then dude, people are just gonna treat it as a real human being, so it's gonna be scary. What are you guys saying?

SPEAKER_05 1:13:44

You're just gonna use me iterating this and replace me with the humanoid? No, no, that's how we're saying that's how we're saying. You guys are muting against me? No.

SPEAKER_06 1:13:54

For those not watching, I've got Gage weighing it out live in front of me.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:59

To my left.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:00

That's great. That makes me feel poor.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:01

You know how I feel about robots. Come on, man. You know I'm joking.

SPEAKER_06 1:14:03

It makes me feel poor.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:06

Oh man. You know what? Um uh we're gonna jump this last one, man. I'm gonna push it another time. Uh, just don't want to derail this from a positive place. It gets pretty dark. Uh, one of the community things we talked about recently is kingdom builders and supporting missions. Uh, one of the projects that we have been been focusing on is actually church planting in Thailand, and it's with our friends um the the Metcalfs, which pastor um I say Bangkok, as well as our friends of Pantulinans, which are partnered with the local church in helping plant the church uh with native Thailand people out into um away from kind of the the the large cities into the rural places. Um you've had a chance to kind of talk with some of those guys and see some of that stuff, Gage. What was your take? You saw you got a set chance to see some of the video of those guys doing the stuff.

SPEAKER_08 1:14:50

Yeah, man, it's so encouraging. It's so encouraging. And I really do love the concept that, like not even the concept, I love the fact that blessed are the feet of those who bring the good news. You know what I mean? And like we get to watch that full circle. I remember one of the first times my wife and I came here after my wife had started talking to me about tithing, and it was such a difficult, difficult concept for me to understand. Um, you know, because I had all these uh preconceptions of what it was and what the money was used for and all these things. And interestingly enough, you guys had just gotten back from building a tabernacle in a water well. Oh, it's in South Africa. Yeah, in South Africa, yeah, and it was so interesting because it was like it was like my confirmation of like, I'm not just giving this money to some church, to some group of people. Like, this is going to extending the kingdom of heaven to the places that I don't typically take the time, energy, effort, whatever to go to. Right. And so, like being able to partner with these people, not like this isn't like crowdfunding or anything like this. Like, I'm partnering with our Heavenly Father in being a builder of his kingdom. And sometimes that's through my talent, sometimes it's through my time, sometimes it's through the resources that he's provided me in the first place. Right, sure. And other it's it's through the finances that he's provided me.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:15

Yeah, that's right.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:16

And you know, it's it's so nice to be able to give back to something that I know is so much bigger than I could ever be a part of myself, or with just us within this small community as a collective. Yeah. The Lord is able to do far much more in the hands of these ministries around the world to glorify himself and to bring the good news of the gospel to everyone everywhere. So that in the end, all knees will bow and all tongues will confess that Christ is Lord.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:42

Amen. No, that's exactly what King Builder is about. We talk about how it supports missions and missionaries and the work of the gospel outside of the house here. So both locally through things like Mercy House and OCJ Kids and a lot of things that we're doing with Kyalpha on on the on the campuses around us here uh in Arizona, the native, the native tribes in the in the in the reservations, as well as globally to all of our partners around the world. So that's been one of the cool things. We had a bunch of people uh highlights of videos the other week about different people sharing those voices. We have a bunch more to show because we had way too many to put in one one little uh service. So we've been showing some of those going forward. Uh part of that church planting, uh, you've got a chance to uh to be be there at the church and to be a part of it, Angus, and and have a chance to interact with some of those workers that are there in the field. Which can be your take?

SPEAKER_00 1:17:28

Well, it's amazing how much hope there is in America. Like even the homeless here, there they still have opportunity to be able to pull themselves out of whatever situation there, and there's a lot of help here. Um but in other parts of the world that's not the case. That's true. I mean, there is absolute hopelessness. Outside of Jesus Christ, there is absolute, I mean, there is nothing that can lift them out of their situation because of the the system that they were born into, because of various things. And um, I mean, I think about like some there are families in Thailand that there are parents that they have to choose do we feed some of our kids and sell one? Or, you know, I mean they have to really make those those kinds of uh decisions. And um and to be able to pour in and send hope to their, you know, so that people know that there is something outside of this context. There is hope uh is incredibly powerful. Um because walking around the red light district uh of Thailand during the day, yeah, not when it's open, we're just praying, do a prayer walk. Yeah, we were there during the day, and you could just feel the hopelessness. And you just know that I mean these people are this is their life, and then they die. Yeah, and then and there's nothing for them to look forward to. Yeah. And so that's it really made such a huge impression on me why Kingdom Builders and why we send missions uh out.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:07

Yeah, it was great to be to be a part of and partnered with people making an impact there. And it's so powerful. You know, obviously we were walking through their praying as we're walking with the local team, so we're not doing that of our own volition, it's with the local team. But what they're doing connected to things like Lasso Truck, what they're doing out of um I say Bangkok and other things that are happening there. Powerful men to be a part of those things. I know I wear a bracelet every day that's actually connected to that. These are the ladies that have come out of the red light district, and and the they're using this, they've set up a business. It's a church out out of Washington, D.C. called National Community Church. And ladies from that church are actually empowering women that have come out of the red light district. Give them a different skill set, because the only skill set they've known has been prostitution, has been being a participant in that. Many of them because they were born into it, meaning they were children of people who were in prostitution, and so it becomes cyclical. But in this way they're giving them a skill set. So one of the things is like buying a piece of like a little fashion thing that doesn't really mean much to us in the States, but by buying it in an American price point, it empowers them to have a skill set that sustains their family. And it's just a little bracelet to me didn't mean much. And it's less than like a you know, like a nice meal. But now it makes a big difference because it's actually going to a sister in Christ who's making a life change, and she wants to actually not live that life, not make dollars in that way, but make money in a different way. So give a skill set in that way. Javen, you get a chance to be a part of the ministry that's there, you know obviously all those people, friends with them a long time. Yeah, 100%. What was it like being a part of it?

SPEAKER_02 1:20:33

Uh it it was awesome. Like for me, I didn't actually get to visit the the church grounds because we were on a youth camp separately, but I mean, I I think to that end, just understanding that there really was a spirit of just like re rejuvenation and joy and like the simplest things that would happen over there that like we we so often take for granted in the United States. And I think to Angus's point, it's like we really forget being in Western context so long that when Christ says to the ends of the earth, there really is so much that's charged behind that message because like in America we take the idea of the gospel for granted. Like people are like, Oh, yeah, it's you know, like this is always how it's been, but there are still unreached people groups that have yet to hear about the name of Jesus and not only their native language, but just at all as a concept in general. They're born into a system, like Angus was talking about, and that's all they know. That's all the understanding that they have about anything in the world. So to be able to empower people that really have a heart to be able to go out and do that consistently, like huge credit to the pangulinans and uh huge credit to Dana and Bridget and the Metcalf's because they've been doing it for so long and they've been so consistent and faithful in listening to God and continuing to be willing and persistent to go out and do that as He's instructed them to do and make sure that they set up people within the community to also further empower. Like, I think um weren't the Pangulinans going this week to just start another church plan or something like that in time.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:55

Yeah, they've been doing projects, partner with local pastors. Um, and so this is another one of those weeks. I mean, they have projects smacked up, it's really just bidding on resources. Same thing for our projects we want to do in Laos, which is connected to Dina Bridget, which is an extension out into Laos to partner with local pastors there and do what they're doing, not our agenda, their agenda, yeah, and partnering with them in Chile, as we talked about in a recent podcast. You know, things we want to do in France and Marseille, partnering with some local pastors there and from some leaders there. Just thankful, man, of the opportunity for us to be able to do that. 100%. Like we have a resource, yeah, 100%. And you know, I can do without something good for something better. Yeah. Um, I was talking with uh some of our team and staff, and we were talking about things, and we were talking about we got onto tattoos, and I was like, and they said, Oh, do you do you have money in your do you are you planning to get a tattoo? I was like, Well, I've had money in my tattoo fund for many years now, but it always goes to me. And so it's not that I didn't put it aside to get a tattoo, which is something that's a want for me, obviously not a need. Um, not a need, not a need, just in just a want.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:57

You're not preaching to me on this one. But then take away from my hopes and dreams, Pastor.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:04

But then in my case, and my own, it was my my own thing about what the Holy Spirit's talking to me about was um, yeah, you know, you gotta choose, man. You gotta choose. Are you gonna, you know, yeah, you you uh you know, you don't have to give all of this, but you you can only do, you know, bullets or sneakers or or tattoos. You can't do all of them and be obedient to what I want you to give. Yeah, because I've given you the extra. And so it's you know, I'm like, okay, and that's the case, then I'm willing to give it. So open hands, I'm I'm willing to receive more, I'm also able to give it easier because I'm not all clamped onto it. And I think because I got that concept so early, it enabled me to later go and to be a missionary and to be asked people to partner with me to do that, and that's super hard. I didn't come from that culture at all. I came from the I'm a giver to things and I don't need I don't need your help. Thank you very much. But then I realized if I'm gonna do this, it's not about me. It never was. It's about being funded to be able to go do the work. And without the partnership, it's their it they get the result as much as I get the result. I was the one to go, they're the one that powered me to go. So man, it's and no one knows you. So you know, even I close people around me that like didn't give us a dime. And I'm like, ah, you know, you feel a certain way. They don't owe me. They don't owe me. You know, I need to be obedient with the Lord is saying and so that's the challenge. So each one of us, man, in our in in our part of Kingdom Builders, if it's starting small, we could challenge every person to do it. Um I'll tell I'll tell a story uh on my daughter Shiloh. And uh and it's to bra it's not to brag on her from a dad perspective, though I am doing that. So um so it was recently my birthday, and so my daughter was heartbroken because she had given all her money away to missions and hadn't have anything to give me as a present. And so she was pretty emotional about it, and she was telling me about this. And I said, baby, you don't A need to give me anything. Yeah, you know, my role is to give to you, not the other way around. Yeah. And I said, So that's and especially in your phase of life. Different story, you have a job and a career and blah blah blah. Then you need to give your dad something nice. Yeah, that's where we're gonna preach somebody. No, I'm just kidding. But the idea is like, you know, that's where we're at. And I and and it's actually the opposite. Actually the opposite was she's like, yeah, I don't I I can't, and we we just did our missions thing, so she was trying to finish her finish her pledge to give to missions. She was short, she doesn't have a job. So that's every it's like money she gets from you know, the blessings or m money she gets from her birthday or whatever it is. That's what she's been using for missions. So I was like, hey, well grab my wallet. My wallet happened to be across the room, and I said, grab my wallet real quick. She wrote it in my own wallet. I always have like, you know, some bills folded up in my wallet, and I had a hundred in my wallet. That was my personal, it's from my money, it's not in our budget, it's it's my money to blow on whatever. Usually it's usually golf money. And so I had this money and I was like, I wanted to give this to you so that you can fulfill your mission's pledge. Not to buy me anything, but so that you actually have extra that I'm gonna give you more than what your pledges are pledges, but whatever it was, 60 bucks or not cost. And so what I wanted to brag on was obviously she's my daughter, so I'm very real biased because she's the best daughter on the planet, and you have less daughters for you on the planet. And and Amelia's the best daughter on the planet. And so they're obviously I love them. But I was so encouraged by her heart to she's consistently done it. She's consistently done it all year, or she just gave because she had a pledge, and I was like, man, that's such an encouragement. If I could have got that at that age, I would have A, not wasted all my time dating a whole bunch of people that wasn't going the right direction. One, two, had a thought process of investing in spirit in in kingdom things and spiritual things beyond you know where I was actually gonna go. Man, what a blessing. She's somebody that God can trust lots of resources to. Yeah. Because she's willing to use it for the right reason. And for that reason, she's somebody who could be very, very wealthy and still have an alignment with God because, like we talked about in an earlier podcast, the guy's worth $500 million. Yeah. But his first testimony is to God. Yeah. That's the one that he's willing to give it to. Man. Because you'll use it for the glory. Praise God.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:04

I'd argue that's probably a better gift than anything she could have bought. Oh, I say. Oh, dude, that was, I mean, made me cry.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:08

You know what I mean? I'm giving money out of my out of my allowance, out of my wallet, making me cry.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:13

Swindled you.

SPEAKER_05 1:27:15

Just give it up to me. And honestly, that's how I feel. Like, you know, whenever you get a like a blessing or something, like I got a couple blessings for a birthday, and it's like, man, well, now I have this cash, I could go do these other things. Um, you guys know me in shoes and stuff like that, bro. I'm like, Hello, shoes. You like shoes? Yeah. Hello, friends. I need every colorway. It's like, I don't, clearly. And so I just one of those challenges recently where I was like, you know, I'm not, I'm not buying another pair of kicks until X, Y, and Z. And it's like, you know, I need to knock out some of my these big missions, you know, if we're gonna elevate our mission split, which we did, felt challenged to do so. Well, what does that mean? Well, that money's coming from somewhere. It's not infinite monies. You know what I mean? So I mean it is in his perspective, but I mean in our pockets, it has to be willingness to be good stewards of what we're given.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:00

It's not the shoe fund.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:01

Not the shoe fund. You can't keep the shoe fund front. The shoe fund falls down the slot. Come on. And so the Lord help us. And so that's one of things where I'm like, you know what? I don't have any qualms on that. And I think that as the alignment comes in, he you know, he'll replace that in your own heart because you have an alignment with him. It's different. And man, there's nothing better. I mean, you were with me, you're with me right there, you know, giving blessing, buying. You remember me, you and Kai.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:25

And we we got a chance. You got you know Kai. I do not know. You spent time with Kai. You spent hours with Kai, days. Yeah, it was sick. Yeah, Kai's a friend of ours, a leader in the church in Thailand. You love him, dude. He's great, dude. Um, remember Kai's out of originally? I do not remember. He's out of African country. He's he did a lot of study in Thailand, and then he's been staying there, working with the church, and doing some other jobs he's got a visa to do. But Kai is such a blessing, such a blessing to the church. No, we don't have infinite funds either, but we can we gave obviously to the projects and other things. We had a little extra um from we didn't have problems, so we had a little extra. So we were like, great, so we have some margin here, we can actually be a blessing. So instead of just blown on or whatever, we took that money and we blessed Kai and got him a couple pairs of shoes. And dude, this guy was electric, dude. He hadn't had anything like that, like a small blessing, like a pair of kicks. And so you I mean, you know, shout out to Kai. I love that guy, you know, him and that their whole team is great.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:19

But I mean, we just we're a small blessing, but dude, he was like Well, what was what was so incredible about it was because as he's trying out these shoes, it was kind of like I'm just trying them on like I would try on a Tesla. I can't afford this, you know. So I know my foot's gonna be in it, but I'm probably not gonna go home with it. And so as he's trying on, and and Pastor Davis is like, no, look at the shoe, you know, which ones do you like? And he he narrowed it down to two pairs, and he's just like, Oh, you know, I could wear this with this, you know, set of outfits, and I could wear this with this.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:54

And he's asking us which one do you guys think? Which one's better, guys? What do you think? Like he would just, you know, just bringing it back for that.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:00

And Pastor Jay said, Let's get them both. And he the the disbelief on his face, because I mean, it was two pair of shoes. But for him, that was it was incredible. It was something he it would take him a lot longer to be able to uh to afford to be able to do.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:19

And he's a missional guy, he gives to the ministry, he helps support it with his time, his thousand money.

SPEAKER_00 1:30:24

And and so, and because of that, he that would be an extravagance for him. That would be something that he would buy shoes that he needs to walk in, and you know, uh, but what being able to be there and watch the blessing happen, man, it was just so cool. And to know that um that uh it that that those uh uh shoes are going to continue to carry the gospel forward is is incredible.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:48

Yeah, I love that. We you know, J Bo, you were with me in in Qatar. We were able to do that for we had a whole bunch of friends that work missionally across the world and different places, won't go into all that, but we couldn't do a blessing for every one of them in a large way, so you can't give everyone five hundred dollars. You can't give everyone a thousand. You wish you could. You don't have the resources for it. We had already done a lot for the outreach and and paying a bunch of things. And so we we knew I was like, okay, well, I'm doing the math on how many we had there. And I was like, well, if we do this, then we can do a small blessing to everyone. So we decided to get them either a jersey or a pair of kicks, and we just we we would take after lunch, we'd grab lunch at like a mall or something, and I would just be like, hey, yes, come with us. And we would just give them a chance to pick out a pair of kicks or a jersey. And dude, I mean they're electric, bro. This is not part of their budget. They were like us before when I was a missionary, we had zero dollars for that at all. You know what I mean? And so in and I was thinking about my friend Danny, you know, Danny's case, Danny was like, Are you serious? I'm like, Yeah. He's like, Oh man, like he was like, he was really taken back by it. And he got a pair of kicks, he was he was electric, he was ecstatic, he was so happy. And as when he sings, I was like, Man, for us, that didn't affect us at all. You know, and what we were I mean, I I personally I I you know we were able to cover all of that through our own missions giving, not even anybody else in the church. But it's like the point is like it wasn't me, it was us collectively that were able to bless them. And it's like, man, what a cool thing to be a part of. Yeah, so I love that. So I'd encourage you to make a pledge to Kingdom Builders, let that be a blessing between you and God. Nobody from us checks up on that, but what we do is we use that as a way to gauge how we can connect with new partners and how we can be a blessing to them. So make a make a Kingdom Builders pledge, let that be a blessing to people as you give from generosity in your heart. Amen. Hey, last thing I want to talk about here is uh competence, and one of those C's that we talk about is competence of learning new things. One of the books we've been looking at is Dream Big by Bob Goth. The last thing we want to talk about out of this book here is that he says, as you're dreaming big, as you're taking action, as you're weighing all the things, you also have to expect setbacks, which I think is a very mature way to understand this. It's not just everything's gonna be pie in the sky and all gravy, but that you have to expect setbacks, it's about perspective. What do you think, man? I mean, this is one of the things you troubleshoot every day. We were on the phone the other day, yeah, and you're having to help guys fix their problem, solve it.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:06

Well, setbacks suck. Um but it's it's just like it says, it's not anything where you you have to operate in the way of like when a setback comes, it doesn't take you by surprise. Right. Right? You need to be prepared for the setbacks. And it may not always be like you have the material for the setback or you have the band, like the time for the setback, but the mentality of it, right? The perspective of like this is not anything that is unheard of, unforeseen. This is how we need to start approaching the solution.

SPEAKER_06 1:33:45

That's good.

SPEAKER_08 1:33:45

You know, it's not always about the the severity of the setback as much as it is of the tenacity of how you problem solve the setback, so good, is what's gonna make all the difference in the world because, like it says, it setbacks are gonna happen. How you approach resolving it is gonna determine what the eventual outcome looks like.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:06

That's right.

SPEAKER_08 1:34:06

You can either get to it today, you can get to it in the next 15 minutes, or you can sit here, beat yourself, the other people, and the situation up for a couple days, and then finally get on track of like, okay, how do I fix this?

SPEAKER_06 1:34:20

To actually fix the problem.

SPEAKER_05 1:34:21

Yeah, yeah, that's right. That's right. Total. That's right. So we've done a bunch of projects recently. We were reminded to sharpen the saw, literally. As we were uh we had we had trimmed a whole bunch of tree limbs here. Essentially, there's like about three trees worth of limbs that were sitting out there drying. We're trying to get them to a lower, you know, let them dry out a little bit, not so heavy when they're wet. Um, but we got to that place and then they were full of thorns and fun times.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:44

Oh yeah. Couple days uh cutting on tree limbs to get them in a yep, and uh so real quick on that before we go to the expect setbacks is if you don't sharpen the saw, expect setbacks. That's right. Good point. So we uh uh we we spent quite a good day uh sweating and and all this, and uh because I have a chainsaw that I got on the auction, it's been through so many projects, uh, but I had never sharpened it. And uh and so it was getting to the point where it was burning through the wood, not cutting the wood.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:16

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:17

And so um rather than going and getting a new chain, uh, we just continued to power through. Uh the next day, I well, after we were finished, I went and got a new chain, put it on, and uh the next day in 15 minutes, I got accomplished by myself more than the three of us had done in an hour. Um crazy how that works. Uh so sharpen the saw. Pretty embarrassing. Yeah. We're going, I literally read this chapter. We discussed it. We talked about it on the podcast.

SPEAKER_06 1:35:53

Um that's right.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:55

But with the with the expect setbacks, I think that if you just kind of expect it, not that you're you're looking for bad things to happen or anything like that, but if you just expect it, then it doesn't come, it doesn't catch you by surprise. Kind of like when I am running late and I hit every red light. I should expect every red light. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Therefore, um, you know, I need to have the right perspective about it because I think that's really what it is is how do you deal with the person those setbacks? Because those things that that set you back actually can propel you forward if you take a look at it the right way. So I mean that that that blown tire on the on the highway could be an opportunity for you to teach your son or your daughter how to change a tire. You know, uh it and so it's it's really when they happen, how are you gonna face it? Because that's the important part. Because that can take a that can take a setback and and make and turn it into something completely different. It's good, man. Very good, really good.

SPEAKER_05 1:36:52

J-bo, perspective on being tenacious and and of powering through the setbacks? I mean, yeah, 100%.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:57

You always gotta prep for something like it's the worst. And I mean, for me, as somebody that procrastinates a lot, like whenever you hit like a whenever you realize that a deadline's like right in front of you, and you're like, oh dude, I gotta do this, but I gotta do it like quickly, and you realize that you should have given yourself more time for this. Like, there have been several times, not only, or actually this year I've been I've been better about it, but in high school especially, yeah, I would like actually sit down and look at some of my assignments and be like, dude, like I me trying to do this all now, especially with art, I was like, dude, oh my gosh, I'm gonna have to do this like all night. And I did, which was, yeah, I don't know, that was terrible. But I should have like spaced it out and been like more methodical and like thought through it more. Um, so that just from a practical standpoint makes sense. But I I also think about this financially because of the conversation that we were having with um with the sunsets and with Tobias the other day about budgeting, because it's really important. You it like in people hitting the amount of money that they need to go, like on uh on missions or like a study abroad program, they're like, okay, cool. Like now I can actually like spend money on like XYZ, and you're like, dude, you're not you're probably gonna end up spending more money than what you think you have to set aside. Of course. You always want extra extra cash in the pocket just for like setbacks. If you have to go buy new plane tickets, if there's like any issues with like food or housing or et cetera, et cetera. Whatever could arise will arise. That's what we've learned living overseas for a lot of years. So um, yeah, I mean, especially right now, we're like I'm in a phase where I have to learn like to do that all by myself. It's been easier than I thought it would be just because I've had to like step into it quickly, and I I think I've done that relatively uh decently. But yeah, if I like kept doing the stuff I was doing in high school, dude, it would have been it would have been really rough for me.

SPEAKER_05 1:38:40

So yeah, I mean, and you have occasionally an Angus, a J, a gauge that are echoing in your head to get it done, man. That's true. That's true.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:49

There's a couple old proverbs that I know of that go, um what is it? Uh there's expected the unexpected. Yeah. If you stay ready, you ain't gotta get ready. That's good. You know what I'm saying? That's right. And an elephant's hard to eat. You aren't gonna eat it in one sitting. Yeah. Take it a bite at a time.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:06

That's it, man. And only the wicked run.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:12

Shout out to the last podcast, yeah. Exactly right. Oh man, um, so many interesting things to talk about today. We will leave with uh what's one word to leave the podcast? Shaven.

SPEAKER_02 1:39:22

Obedience. Like that. Hope. I love it.

SPEAKER_05 1:39:27

Gauge? Loyalty. I'm gonna say freedom. Thanks so much for being a part of the c podcast and being part of the collective. We love you. Much love to you, wherever you are.