Science PROVES the Bible! | CRNRSTN Collective - Episode 31

In this episode, the host, J, and co-hosts Angus and Javan discuss the incredible instances of astronauts on the Artemis 2 and several former government agents giving accounts of how some of the supernatural phenomena we know as aliens and antimatter affirm some of the accounts of Biblical narratives surrounding demons and the nature of God. The three also directly tie this into the reports of Nephilim like the Kandahar giant in Afghanistan and accounts of his existence in modern day. Additionally, the trio talk about the reaction of world governments to liberal countries attempting to ban the Bible while people like the Kuwait prince are turning to Christianity. They also discuss lots of interesting news surrounding developments in AI and humanoid robots that are now being integrated into every day life and even sometimes implanted into the human body. The three of them are then joined by Gage and share their experiences and tips with how to reach out and engage within their own communities to spread the Gospel. Finally, they close with a look at understanding the wisdom of the son and making Godly sense of the world around you.



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Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:00

Hello, friends, and welcome to the Cornerstone Collective. My name is Jay Brown, and I'm your host. Today with me is Angus McLeod.

SPEAKER_08 0:05

Hey, hey.

SPEAKER_03 0:06

As well as Javen Brown. Hello, hello. And hey, we're jumping right in with this concept of Christ and culture, the intersection of those thoughts. And we want to start today with a scripture from Romans 6. I'm gonna ask Angus to read it.

SPEAKER_09 0:17

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 6, 23.

SPEAKER_03 0:27

Amen to that. Eternal life is in Jesus Christ. Hey, we talk about the seven C's. Those are commitment, community, communication, competence, creativity, compassion, and celebration. Starting out with commitment today, and are talking about our commitments to Christ. Um, we have uh really some crazy news. We've been talking a little bit about space recently because there's a NASA space mission that's uh flying around the moon and coming back. Uh NASA recently confirmed that based on their equations, there was a lunar eclipse over Jerusalem on April 3rd, 33 AD, which is in alignment with the story of Jesus and about his crucifixion, which would have been thereabouts and timeline of actually having what would have been a lunar eclipse at that time and things going dark, which would be very insightful that all these things have been said in scripture for a long time now have some kind of a validation. Uh, you guys had a chance to see this. What do you think, Angus?

SPEAKER_09 1:20

Uh, I think that uh, you know, I've said it before that science is kind of now catching up with the Bible, and uh there's so many things that is is said in the word that now we're just starting to discover and you know why God put that there and why God put this here. And uh something like that uh just is kind of more confirmation for me that you know that's that's how naturally um in our natural world that's what we would see uh and spiritually what was going on, you know, as well.

SPEAKER_03 1:51

Absolutely reminds me very much of what we were talking about, how the how the uh Chinese pastor was talking about the writings from China in that time, which would have aligned with the same thing of the star appearing and things like that. So very insightful how now these kind of historical documents and astrological documents um findings are lining up exactly with what we talked about. Yeah. Very cool. Javen, what do you think, man?

SPEAKER_01 2:11

I mean, I just to your thought process that you just mentioned, I was thinking these exact same lines of like the um support of like Chinese philosophers or historians that like wrote everything down at the time. Right. Around 33 AD, there's supposed to be a lunar eclipse, as NASA was talking about, where I think the description for it was like yin and yang met together and like fuse in there was a great darkness or something like that, um, which would align perfectly with the crucifixion of Christ and that there was a darkness that just covered over the face of the earth. Um, so I it's pretty crazy how we're seeing affirmations of this all like with different terminology and like within different contexts of whether it's cultural or whether it's like a scientific explanation, but either way, it aligns perfectly with like one version of what scripture could be. So it's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 2:57

And people are are saying that they're you know, they're tying it, oh, Easter was or the you know, the resurrection of Jesus was on this exact date and things like that. And I think that we can do that in a general sense, meaning like, you know, we know it's this time of year, we know it's based off some other things, and we talk about those how those things all correlate and are connected, and so there is a powerful thing to look and see this kind of stuff, whether it was exactly this date or another date, we know that those things happened in this timeline, and so that's just another validation, I think, from my perspective. Yeah, we were talking a lot about NASA and even off-air talking about validations of NASA and how those things can are really fought right now in the age of the of the internet, how everything's kind of put up in the air. Is everything real? Is it not real? But really interesting that one of the guys who is a he's a NASA astronaut and someone who's of faith. He is someone who was one of the one of the 12 people that have walked on the moon, or that's what we were kind of talking about off air is did he walk on the moon? But the idea is that walked on the moon, he is making he's making the accusation that all aliens are demons. JVO, what do you think, man?

SPEAKER_01 3:59

Yeah, I mean, uh it's very similar to like whistleblowers that we'll see in the CIA that like know something's going on forever and then finally like bring that to light. I think the exact same thing for this guy, like he's just been informed about what aliens are, but then at the same time, it doesn't really match any descriptions that the general public has of like, oh, it's like some seven foot-tall green, I don't know, looking sort of thing with like really elongated eyes, like we always like to make it out, but it like can change forms and it'll look like almost human or almost like it's a humanoid to some degree, right? But there's like a a deeper level of existence fused within the thing. So it's interesting, like um, and I think I I don't know much about his faith perspective if he actually is like Christian or not, or if he understands like the spiritual within that manner, but if he doesn't, I think that it's greater affirmation that the idea that demons and aliens are one and the same is like a hundred percent proven if somebody that doesn't have faith within that regard is like, oh yeah, no, there's a hundred percent a different level than like what people are just talking about beyond the surface, and it could be really interesting.

SPEAKER_03 5:03

Well, uh to correlate with pre previous podcasts where we were talking about like how um Gen Z and Millennials, how they how they view uh you know, pastors and the legitimacy of pastors, it's interesting within this argument because of some of the questions around the legitimacy of everything that NASA has done. Not that we haven't been to the moon or haven't walked on the moon, but that did we do it in the timeline in which we say we did, or was it shot and all the other things that we you know it's always been an accusation there? Does it take away from Charlie's what he says about this because he's one of the people that reportedly has walked on the moon? Does that make sense? Yeah. So it makes the question of like, you know, is he is he a legit guy to be giving this kind of information? Obviously, I agree with this perspective from a faith perspective because we see it, you know, tinfoil hat, you know, but we see it from hey, the you know, obviously is spiritually, we we know that there are spiritual beings and there's spiritual entities that do not have our have our best in mind because they are fallen angels and fallen entities, and so this would be demonic. And so we see that as being exactly what he says here. So an interesting idea. Angus, we were talking a little bit about this, about the validity of some of these things. What do you think?

SPEAKER_09 6:10

Yeah, it's whether or not you believe NASA is uh telling the whole truth or you know, uh partial truths or or whatever. Um what I was saying is to me, it doesn't really affect my life totally, like it's not gonna affect the way I buy groceries or anything like that. Right. But um it is interesting though to see somebody of faith um who uh who has said this, you know. Um I think that his his story just kind of confirms what other people are saying too that um that they uh that they see that the they're connected. And so um one pastor that I had watched said that whenever he's uh dealt with people who have visitations, you know, from aliens, that when they mention the name of Jesus Christ, the the uh visitation, yeah, it stops. Yeah, exactly. It stops. Um and so um I don't know if it's you know, I don't think aliens would really care unless they're subject to uh to Jesus's.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

The authority of Jesus, amen. That's right.

SPEAKER_09 7:14

Just like the demons.

SPEAKER_03 7:15

That's a good point, man. I like that. And it does bring about these questions and a greater idea of you know what is legitimate, what is not. We know that for sure that have been things done by our government, meaning American government, that are not uh legit, and other governments at the time were doing very similar things uh as propaganda for their own people and for other entities. I know that, you know, um kind of at the time CIA released released this this imagery of like nuclear bomb testing that we were doing in America, but it clearly wasn't real. It was all models, and it was, you know, it's like, well, how come the camera didn't blow over? Whenever if the houses got blown over and the cars are gone, then how come where all the trees were scathed of all of their leaves? Why did the camera stay stationary? You know, it isn't logical. So you're just like, okay, yeah, great point, great point. You're not thinking about it that way. You're like, oh, that's crazy footage, you know. So it's weird when we start to kind of think about it now in an age where you can make literal video with with prompts, you know, from your voice. So it's we're in a different space altogether where it's very hard to start to delineate what is real and what is not on video, but to see some of these people giving their own perspective of hey, this is what I see it, and this is where I'm coming from. So it's very insightful, very interesting for sure for us to think about from a Christ perspective and what it means for us to be committed to Christ, and about understanding that there's a real plot of the enemy out here to work his way.

SPEAKER_07 8:34

Very true.

SPEAKER_03 8:35

Hey, one of the things that we have also been identifying, talking about often is about the use of satanic witchcraft um within music, and it's been very popular for a long time of hidden messages and other things, some of those being overt, some of them not being overt. And you know, a lot of times the the music industry has been tied to dark themes. Some of that's thematic, some of it's theatrical, but I think a lot of times it's not. It's actually there's some validity to it. Uh, one of the sad things is we've seen is that people just did a montage of all these famous uh sing the song sing uh song singers, like the the women that are that are really popular pop artists that are the all of them having some kind of imagery within a video or within a photo shoot of them doing some kind of satanic worship or seance or some kind of jazz like this where they have a pentagram on the ground, there's candles and things like that. But the list included Britney Spears, Madonna, Ariana Grande, Katie Perry, Beyonce, Rihanna, and others that were also a part of this. You guys seen some of this stuff? You seen this imagery this year, Chaven?

SPEAKER_01 9:36

Yeah, I mean, it with some of this too, there's also like other people will say that it they're kind of force feeding you this at some point because there's a lot of kind of like tinfoil hat stuff about people being replaced and things like that. I've seen Ariana Grande be one of those people that they say, or no, no, maybe I'm thinking of Selena Gomez. Yeah, I think that's who I'm thinking of. But people will say that sometimes, like, whenever they oppose whatever the uh the label or like the people that own the rights to the music want to produce or want to push out who are led by these dark spiritual entities and like are essentially uh like in exchange meant for that much influence, that much power, are given like basically the only responsibility they have is to like push this message of darkness in their music. If people don't get in line with that, then they'll just kill them and then like use a clone that they have like in a lab somewhere or whatever. Um it's very tinfoil happy, exactly. Like even then, there's still like validity to it as if uh as if even if it's not the respective artist that's the one making all these overhead decisions about like production and the way that uh directors have power perspective. Well, I'm just saying, yeah, because they're not the ones with the power, they're just the vessels being used in order to get that message out to you. So very much in the way that like almost like prophets work, if you get somebody like a like a singer who has a lot of influence, and if you get them to have a catchy enough tune, but then associate that with something spiritually darker, then that enters within the mind and within the spirit of everybody that listens to that music. And we know that Lucifer himself was the seraphim of music before he was fallen. So, of course, one of the first things that he would do is get a catchy tune into your head that directly opposes what God says. So yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 11:16

Yeah, it's interesting to talk about those kind of perspectives because you know I've seen a lot of like people writing songs and the people that write the songs, most of their process, the ones I've watched, like Daniel Wall and other guys that interviewed people that are songwriters, most of those people are coming up with a tune and things like that. They're inspired by something, so they have a real skill set, like a real, a real gift that God has given them to do that. So there's some there's um there's a piece of that. I would you know, I I think I've I've misspoke in the past talking about the difference between gifting and anointing. I feel like anointing is more of spiritual empowerment, whereas the gifting is without reproach. We've seen that in lots of places where people have a gift to do different things and they can use it for good or for evil or whatever. Whereas anointing, we see more connected to a person as far as whenever they're walking in the empowerment of God and what that looks like. So it's an interesting piece to see both sides of it, um, especially with all these women who are obviously very gifted in their song, you know, their singing and their production, their performance. But to see all of them with this kind of imagery is really sad and scary, you know, because I think a lot of them, I mean, we know for sure, like you know, Brittany and Katy Perry and a few of them have connections, even Beyonce to church in some way from whenever they were young, but a large departure from that whenever you're doing a photo shoot, like in front of uh in front of some kind of like you know, like pentagram on the ground and like candles or some kind of seance. And I think they're trying to see themselves as spiritual or powerful women, which they like connect to the idea of witches. But man, it's very dark, super dark. And guess what you think, man?

SPEAKER_09 12:44

Uh I think what they're doing is uh publicizing and making light of what's really happening. You know, I mean it's because then it's it's like a joke out in that everybody knows, uh, but nobody knows it's a joke. Um, you know, and it's one of those things. Um I've when I first uh started to get really into music, my father-in-law was telling me about Stevie Nicks, you know, from Fleetwood Mac that she was a witch and you know, she was a practicing witch, and they would do seances and all that kind of stuff over their music. And I I was like, ah, that's really weird. But, you know, um and I've talked about it before when I went on a fast where I just listened to Christian music and for uh 30 days, when you go back to listening to other music, you can feel there's a different there's a different spirit with it. Um, and I think um, you know, the the day is different, but the this things stay the same. So like you know, offer the wealth, offer this and that. And you know, I think again with uh the tinfoil hat sort of thing, you've got like Project Monarch, where the you've got all these wholesome girls, they come in, they do a couple of albums, get a a fan, and then they go away, and then they come back as you know the new sex symbol and uh as they've got in their training. And I think that you know, if world leaders have doubles, whether they're clones or not, I don't know. Yeah, sure. But if world leaders have doubles, why would celebrities not I mean that they become big investments, yeah, you know, to raise people to these levels. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 14:19

So uh I don't think we're quite at the island, the movie the island, you know, you and McGregor and them, uh, you know, I don't know if and and uh Johansson, Scarlet Johansson, I don't know if we're quite there yet, but I definitely would think that it would be some kind of implement implementation of stuff like that that has an impact for sure.

SPEAKER_09 14:34

Kind of like the Paul is dead stuff with the Beatles back in the day.

SPEAKER_03 14:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 14:38

Uh you know, they he was supposed to have gotten into a car wreck and then he comes back and he's got different scars and facial features and things like that, you know, and ran as Paul the rest of his life. Is I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 14:50

Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting, it's an interesting deal. And I I wouldn't go that far with any of this stuff. What I was gonna say is I think that a lot of them, you know, for them, maybe they're they're just they're they're just see it's theatrical, like because they're doing production all the time. So they're like, oh yeah, this is like a scary, a scary thing that I'm like gonna be here, and I'm you know, it's it's it's uh whatever, spiritual, it's this, it's that. For sure, we know like Taylor Swift, huge fan of Stevie Nicks, big alignment with her, and had a lot of imagery around this same stuff. So them being open to it, I definitely think it's possible. Them all being a witch, I don't know about that, but I would say, man, these are people we want to pray for because they have their people listen to them every day on rotation, man, and their messages are going forward, going out. And um, and so we want to pray for them. Want to pray for Brittany and for Madonna and Ariana Grande and Katie and Beyonce and Rayanna and Taylor and everyone else.

SPEAKER_09 15:41

Well, I recently saw a video uh from a Christian, or not a Christian, but a uh pediatrician, uh, who is talking about the importance of the music you allow your kids to listen to from uh during certain ages because of the way their brains develop. And so this kind of music that is highly sexualized with the beat and stuff is meant to uh impression young minds in a completely different way, and it it almost reprograms you, yeah, which is interesting. And so it's why it's also really important for you as your parents to you know understand what your kids are listening to.

SPEAKER_03 16:16

For sure. At what point at what age are they supposed to listen to Christian metal? So they just be like, Jesus.

SPEAKER_09 16:24

That's up to the parents, anyways.

SPEAKER_03 16:26

You don't have a heart hard and fast from the family pastor. That's okay. We understand. I understand where you're going with it. It is funny, man. I like I I like I like that type of music, but I do want the message to be the right message, and so there's some people that you know they're not down with that music because the type of what it is. I'm like, I don't know, man. I have the I think I grew up in the 90s too much where that the inner fight the power is still there pretty strong. You know, if we would transported us back, we'd have been the same people fighting the Revolutionary War. So there you go. Uh to a to a crazy soundtrack. Uh, one of the things that we talk about is living our values. And one of the things that we recently saw in our community here has been kind of mind-blowing a little bit. And it's uh a local high school in Greater Phoenix, actually, which we have students who graduated from that high school. It's right by us here in the West Valley. Uh, it's called Centennial, and had two teachers, two teachers hook up with the same high school student, two women teachers hooked up with the same male high school student. Uh, and really sad. I mean, obviously they're both gonna go to jail, it's a big, big deal. One of them was single, one was married with kids. A crazy situation. We had two teachers, Haley Beck and Angie uh Burlaca, who have the you know, it's kind of been proven out right now, but they're gonna have to go to court over it. But the accusation is that both of them were in um sexual relationship with a student, and um, and somehow he had some kind of some kind of grift over both of them because he was able to they they kind of did whatever he wanted and changed grades and did all sorts of stuff on his behalf. But interestingly, because one of the teachers, Haley, is connected in a different way, Jamie. You got some connection there.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Yeah, she's uh Noah Beck's sister who's like a popular TikToker that was known in Arizona at least for playing soccer for a while, and then just became kind of like a uh they call him like an e-boy almost. Yeah, especially back in like 2020 or like through 22, whenever. But that's when he was like really big. Um, so it's interesting that this is his sister now. Soccer academies, like all the other major stuff. Like so we've talked about him before on the podcast. Yeah, exactly. Like he was close to I think playing pro, but then he just didn't at some point. But he was like on a the like a B team for an MLS team, so it's pretty crazy.

SPEAKER_03 18:28

Pretty wild to think about like that and have like, okay, you know, this guy's popular doing all this stuff, making him away, and then you got his sister over here, like you know, entertaining thoughts from from younger. She was younger, she's in her early 20s, but um still, man, I mean with you know, hooking up with students is no bueno. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 18:47

No.

SPEAKER_03 18:48

You guys have some connection to over there and Centennial and also in in these other places.

SPEAKER_09 18:52

Well, we have uh different connections with the schools and stuff, uh through theater and everything. And um, you know, in theater, that's an area that uh several years back there was a theater teacher who got uh in trouble for some things too. Uh because like in in the arts, you get really close. You know, uh you especially when you're in theater, you get into people's spaces and and stuff like that, and you break down lots of barriers and walls. And so uh it's also a very accepting community, right? You know, which is why I think you see a lot of things like that happen in that space. Correct. Um, but it's that's why it's so important for anybody who works with students to to be sure to have the those policies and rules in place that keep you safe. Like here at Cornerstone, you know, we don't have one child with one adult. Right. You know, there's we always have two.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

Yeah. And background checks, the whole nine yards, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 19:49

Yeah, absolutely. And you know, I I try and do the same thing because I uh as a pastor, I get to go and work with my wife and do theater. Uh, and so I as a as a pastor, I want to make sure that I don't have anything come against me and claims because it all it takes is the accusation. Of course. And because that's that's it. Yeah. Um, and uh and from that point on you're almost guilty till proven innocent, and then whatever falls out afterwards.

SPEAKER_03 20:16

Especially with with minors, yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_09 20:18

Yeah, and so um so it's one of those things that you just have to keep yourself protected and and make sure that you know you don't find yourself alone in a space that has no cameras and you know and all that um where you can get into trouble.

SPEAKER_03 20:33

That's true. You know, honestly, it's one of the things that we did here recent in the recent time in the last year and a half was we put cameras like all over the spot, and it was for the security of the people working there, not for the other way, because it's usually about the accusation against you, not the other way, and it's actually helped us a lot just in functionality. It's like, well, actually, let's just run it back and see. And then suddenly accusations start to disappear and other things because you know they were unfounded, but these people want to make accusation, they want to ruin your life, they want to make your life, you know, terrible, but they don't have any problem the other way. The sad part is you know, these are pretty grounded, they have like lots and lots and lots of interaction with on all sorts of platforms and videos and pictures and blah blah blah. And it's a different thing because it's obviously women teachers with a male student, and so from cultural perspective, they're like, Oh, he's the man, he's out here doing stuff. Jave and I were watching a video, like uh it was it was an old SNL skit that they had done about this exact thing. It was two teachers with a with a male student played by uh Pete Davidson, by Pete Davidson, and it's you know, the mom, the joke is because it's in our culture, it's kind of funny because you're like, Oh, this is ridiculous. Like, this is like you know, the plot of a movie, a coming of age movie in the 90s would have been this plot, yeah, you know, of something that now we're like, no, we this we should be serious about this. We should really do something. But that's the whole process of this other one. He's like, um, they're like, Yeah, yeah, we heard they were making fun of you, and somebody's like, Yeah, um, they were my arm hurt for getting so many high fives for them calling me the man, you know, like or whatever. And you're like, as a dude, you're like, that's pretty funny. Because it's like so ridiculous and hyperbolic. But for this man, it's like it's super sad. Like at what point is she not, you know, uh is Haley not looking at someone her own age, you know, to be a real person that she's connected to? Why is Angie looking outside of her uh marriage or even in her own age? She's in her forties. What what you doing, girl? You know what I mean? Like it's it ends up being really sad. And so we actually obviously see it from the cultural perspective where it's like uh we know why it makes big news for that reason. If it was a male teacher with a female thing, oh yeah. Flames, pitchforks, you know what I mean, the whole nine yards coming after them. But for good reason, you know, because we see it as predatory and we see it differently men from women, but it's hilarious because then then you have the fight on the other eye, it's like, oh, well, it doesn't matter, and age is a number, and ball you're like, no, there's some real things to this. Yeah, there's some real important pieces. So it's important that uh that we're we're very aware. It's like listen, this come will get you either way, you know what I mean. If you can't you can't push you into something, might pull you a different direction, the enemy of your soul. So watch out. So praying for Haley, Angie, and for the other student that you know that they uh they're able to encounter God and have a real change in their life. That'd be beneficial for whatever the outcome is going forward. Uh, one of the changes that we've seen recently is uh governments that are really kind of on the hyper woke side are are actually trying to make the reading or quoting the Bible illegal. Canada is one of the first ones that's making rulings against some of the pieces of the Bible being being read or validated. They're saying it is hate speech against the LGBT community, as well as Finland is considered considering that right now, as well as other countries in the in in the in Europe. And it will actually make a precedent for this to kind of take off across Europe and in the Western countries. So I think it's very, very interesting that they would be like, oh, it's specifically the Bible and not other things that also agree.

unknown 23:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 23:50

So I'm like, this is really interesting. It's not the Quran, it's you're not talking about this, you know, you they're not talking about the Torah. It's like all those things say the exact same thing, but you're isolating the Bible about it and making it be about that. What do you think about that, Angus?

SPEAKER_09 24:03

Well, that in its shelf should say something about the validity of the the book uh versus the other works, you know, uh is just that why why can we not speak the principles from this one, but these other ones have the same principles within or similar? Um, but uh it's a very dangerous step. I mean, we saw what you take a look at what happened to America when we take uh Bibles out of the schools, right? You know, uh there are so many different studies that that just correlate with uh violence and all sorts of things as a result of losing the word of God. And now we're a few generations into that, where now you meet people that have in America that have never heard of Jesus. Yeah, not really, and yeah, or it's more of they've they've only heard about him as a joke and as a punchline or something like that. Exactly. Um, and so uh when you start out uh when you start making the Bible illegal, um everything that's contained in the Bible, then um there's a lot of good stuff in there that should be in our culture and society, and we're robbing ourselves of it.

SPEAKER_03 25:16

Yeah, no, that's right on Jay, what do you think about this? Uh these these governments considering making it illegal to read the Bible aloud?

SPEAKER_01 25:22

Yeah, I mean it it that I think is so wild because to Angus's point, like you go in in the Torah, I mean, like in Deuteronomy it says if a man lies with another man is with a woman, then he's committed an abomination and shall be put to death. Right. I mean, that's pretty blatant right there about like against anything involving homosexuality, bisexuality, anything that doesn't pertain to entirely like a heterosexual relationship is just like outcast and is meant by death within like old Jewish law.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

So that Christianity we're seeing it differently, we're seeing a person can come to repentance, we're not calling a person to death out of that kind of stuff. It's a different different line.

SPEAKER_01 25:56

Yeah, once the mosaic law had been fulfilled, but it's just interesting because like Jewish people that are so prominent on taking like a mosaic stance, it's like uh it's very interesting how these people aren't being targeted, yeah, targeted whatsoever, which says a lot about other specific things, but also involving a lot of Muslim immigration, which is happening in Canada and in America at large. It's interesting because and in you in the UK, because we were talking about this last podcast with uh churches in the Muslim Brotherhood. It's interesting how a religion and a people group that is inherently against the idea of any homosexuality whatsoever, and in basically every part of the world in which that religion is practiced, those people are either publicly shunned and like shamed or put to death in some capacity. And yet they're still advocating for like the same amount of rights for these people and don't see their religion as predatory whatsoever is a very confusing concept because it's like, wait, okay, so you're saying that you that all this is fine for them to say, but then because the Bible says you shouldn't do this and doesn't give any like clear consequence to it past the New Testament, then it's like, yeah, I don't know. So to Angus's point, the fact that the Bible specifically is being targeted does say a lot about the validity of the word, but also about the spiritual and personal conviction that people who are in power, led by these other religions or motivated by other people and other people groups that have the money and the influence that stems from satanic worship and things like that, that they just feel that conviction and and understand the spiritual weight behind the words and just want to depart from it as much as they can.

SPEAKER_03 27:34

Yeah, you know, I want to make this as a very clear statement that we value every person from every background, from every ideation of who they are. We see them as made in the image of God. However, that does not mean that we have to agree with everyone. We're very much going to align ourselves with the biblical perspective, and that means that, you know, we all fall short of the glory of God. We're the first to tell you that none of us is none of us is perfect. All of us are in need of a savior. And since that's true, then we're people who are walking in the way of Jesus. That's why it's so important that the word of God, it's one of our rights in America, man. It's our freedom of religion, it's freedom of community, you know, like freedom of speech. And so for them to be able to start taking these things and these stances against their own people and for their own people to stand for it is pretty interesting. Um man, wow, what an interesting thing for them to try to take away from people. Um, I I will say that in Canada specifically, uh, you know, is it's a little bit, it was last year now from from me, but I spent time I got I was playing golf on my day off, and um, and it's I was like, I what did a pickup game real quick with a random guy, ended up getting connected with a Canadian guy, and then it had other guys just like him, also Canadians that we connected. You were with me, one of those.

SPEAKER_01 28:42

Yes, I do, I remember that.

SPEAKER_03 28:43

And dude, I mean, not a Christ follower at all. Every language man coming out of that guy, he had the whole taste the rainbow flavors of every cuss word. I was like, wow, this guy is creative and how many, but he had been very successful, he had a construction company, had a bunch of stuff, he was uh you know, very successful, had done very, very well. You could tell in just his watch and who how he carried himself, etc. And I we ended up getting to know him a little bit, talking to him about stuff. He was hard in the paint against his own against Canada's government of on these issues. He's like, no, you think you should have freedom and live let you know live and let live, and such because this is where he's coming from. Super angry about Trudeau, and then obviously these guys are now leading, very, very upset. And so, um man, you want to talk about someone who was hot as soon as I brought it up. I was like, what's your take on uh this Trudeau character?

SPEAKER_05 29:31

Barrr just Venom, dude, but just like if he could have spit flames like a dragon, he would have. He was very hot. You mean Fidel Castro's son? Well, we're not gonna get into all that noise, but he got there. He got he was going, he was going hard in the paint, every conspiracy, anything you think of, he was about it.

SPEAKER_03 29:50

But very much a proud Canadian, and for right for rightfully so. He won, you know, he's glad that he's from where he's from, but the essentially the place has changed and is going after this other narrative, which you know to he was rightfully mad because they're trying to cut off you know freedom that he'd otherwise had. So and that was not just with him. We had people who other Canadians we played with. There's a lot of snowbirds that come to Phoenix, and so it's played with a lot of them in fall. And they had a similar take. I thought maybe we'd come across, you know, a lot more people that are in alignment, but nope. It was actually quite the opposite. And so it was very insightful to see, you know, as these guys start to make these these rule changes, they they might want to watch out because their own people might cast off the restraint of the people that are that are ruling over them. So very, very interesting. Harvard, uh Harvard scientist recently released, his name is Willie Soon. He's uh talking about the mathematical precision of antimatter, which he almost lost me just talking about that one sentence. Pretty interesting. So a Harvard professor, Willie Soon, he's talking about the mathematical precision of antimatter and it's showing the existence of God. I thought this was really insightful. Not just matter, not just molecules, not just atoms or neurons and things. No, he's talking about antimatter as showing the the way of God. What do you think about that, Angus?

SPEAKER_09 31:04

I thought it was really interesting. I understood it probably as much as you did, maybe a little less. Um, but basically, from my understanding, is going from the Big Bang theory, uh as you're jumping off point, which is a whole other conversation. A whole other conversation. Yep. Um, but from that what came matter and antimatter. Right. And so the very fact that matter exists and uh wasn't canceled out by the antimatter uh was such a small infinitesimal uh percentage that it's it could only be God is kind of what it what it got to is my understanding or takeaway from it.

SPEAKER_03 31:43

Yeah, powerful to see like someone who clearly is one of the brightest minds on our planet is giving a giving a real kind of a shout out to the creation narrative, which is pretty powerful. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:53

Javen? Yeah, I mean it's pretty it's pretty crazy. Like I think most of the research that we see in a lot of mathematicians and mathematicians and scientists tends to be that they end up coming to religion themselves because they get to this point where all their math leads to like an inexplicable number that they can't make ends of. And then they look at every formula that they've done, they look at all the research that they've scoured that they've spent their entire lives over, all leading to one thing, which just seems like an unsolvable equation or like an unsolvable quantity that they're missing from something. The deeper and deeper we go, because we're at like quarks right now, and we're trying to figure out what goes past that. You just at some point it just keeps getting smaller and smaller and smaller until there's an infinity that you can't quantify. And that's the answer that they're finding is represented by God. And so I I think for a lot of people, it's just that revelation is so strong in the same way that um the astronauts like in going outside and being able to look down at Earth or just like at the moon and the other planets that we have and see the stars, see how infinitesimally small we are. It's just like a greater reaffirmation that there is a creator, that there is a divine entity that has put this all in place for a specific reason. So it's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 33:05

Powerful. One of the people that recently um has been going back into popularity uh and sharing their faith is um the Kuwaiti prince Abdullah el-Sabah, and he's someone who he said he's given his he's given his life to Jesus, he's someone who they see as a prince in Kuwait. And so this kind of came online a few years ago. We weren't sure what was going to happen with him, um, as far as because you know his family and everyone that's in power is obviously um followers of Islam, and so for him to actually depart from that and actually be public with his faith in Christ and being such a high-profile person is very insightful. He's still there, still free. So it's very interesting in how his family has navigated that versus other families which have reacted differently. So praying for him and for his uh for his narrative is he lives for Jesus, but very much a strong, a strong piece where talking about having you know um the tenacity, the moxie, the wherewithal to really uh to really stay for your and stand for your faith. This could um obviously cost him his life, but cost him everything. And you know, obviously in a privileged position and a wealthy position, and he's willing to put it out there on the line. Pretty powerful. That's pretty crowd, pretty incredible. Man, it's amazing. And so we've seen a lot of this happening, and so we're just praying for the church um that they would be bold, that they would be strong, that they would hold on, um, because we want to see Christ's followers um live their narrative and live their testimony out to other people. Amen. Amen. Hey, uh, one of the things that's uh kind of a tinfold hat subject is uh recently they were talking about on a podcast some of these guys who uh were very um kind of honored and celebrated uh veteran warfighters from from uh the US. We're talking about the uh the wars that were happening in Iraq and Afghanistan. One of the things that they came apart and they came upon was the story of the Kandahar Giant, which goes in alignment with some of the stuff we've talked about before with um them looking for Nephilim and for giant people. And there's like a report of a gigantic red-haired being, person, that was huge that the US forces took down um after he had already assaulted and killed part of a team and was reportedly uh was being a cannibal of those things to try to watch out what we're saying for for the YouTubes, but um was a cannibal in that way. And so it says that he was going on there taking a snack on somebody, turning them into a lunchable, and they are able to take him down, but he was massive, weighing 1,100 pounds, and was this massive thing that took two pallets to move him into an airplane. And so this is the story that's out there. I sent it to you guys um in the interview that's on the podcast. There's more than one podcast interview that's kind of telling the same story. Um, very interesting. So it's different than the narrative we heard with the Gilgamesh thing, but kind of in alignment in the same timetable, though in a different place.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

Which what's your take, Jaden? What do you think? I mean, geographically that would make perfect sense. We see like Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan are kind of all like interlinked within that manner. So it wouldn't surprise me whatsoever if we see like a continuation of the Nephilim who were believed to originally exist within that part of the world, right, still like kind of have a central hub over there or like exist without or like in the shadows or without really being touched by civilization. Or come back into existence. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, um, so I think it there's definitely a lot of validity to more Nephilim encounters that we'll see over time because like it if the Gilgamesh thing is being reaffirmed by like all these different essentially CIA whistleblowers or like government documents that are being leaked and things like that, then the like potential for further discovery is only really like multiplied or like almost like exponentially more likely to have happen just because of the amount of influence in like different, I don't know, like areas that we go in and like just do random stuff at. So it's yeah, it's kind of wild.

SPEAKER_03 37:00

Like yeah, the I mean obviously the conspiracy theory tinfold hat of this is pretty pretty substantial because you're talking about giants, you're talking about US, you're talking about clandestine fights and all sorts of crazy stuff. Angus, you got a chance to take a look at it.

SPEAKER_09 37:14

Yeah, and you know, it's it's hard without a picture, but I mean there was a drawing that that uh that a depiction that kind of came with, but that's that's the other thing is what's AI and what's not. But uh, like Javen was saying, you know, we've we've heard these stories, and I I don't I think we're gonna see more of this, not less of it. Um I think that's you know what predictive programming and all that stuff. I I believe it's all being laid out right now to get the public comfortable with the things like aliens, because um, you know, we we're not gonna introduce demons to the world, but we can we can definitely introduce aliens and and let the covert papers out, you know, yeah uh and keep top secret the ones that say that oh wait, the those are actually demons, you know. Absolutely. But um, but that's what I think is these uh as in the night days of Noah, you know, we we with all of the things that are going on, uh with all of the various agendas and and things for controlling humans and and it and all the things that we're doing with genetics, it makes sense that you know the the Nephilim are up and running again.

SPEAKER_03 38:27

Heaven help us, whatever whatever the outcome with that, but we just want to walk being aware of how these things align with our biblical narrative and what that looks like to us. Uh hopefully none of you have to be out in Kandahar fighting a giant. So, you know, the Lord be praised on that. And uh yeah, if they they can have the white tanks if they move into West Valley. So that's all I'm gonna say about that. Hey, uh, we're talking about this idea of biblical foods. I want to give you guys a uh kind of a quiz right now. How many times is it mentioned in the Bible, higher or lower? Okay. And we're gonna go on these elements here, and I'll kind of give them one by one. Um, I thought this was a cool post. Um, and so it's kind of it's you know, kind of from the the health side of stuff, but I just thought it was cool for the reference point. So we'll have to validate how many times it is here, but this is based on what they're what they say. It comes up in scripture. So we'll go higher or lower. Um, okay, I'll give you the first number. They say wine is mentioned 231 times in the Bible, which is interesting. So bread mentioned in the Bible, higher or lower than 231. Javen? Higher. Okay. Higher. It is higher. 492 on the top. So yeah, obviously, communion, all sorts of different things. Passover, you name it. People, you know, hungry. Bread valuable. So huge deal. Okay. Um, we're gonna go bread to figs. Figs is the next one. What do you think? Higher or lower than bread? 492. Uh lower. Yeah, lower. I would say it's like a decent amount lower. Lower, lower. It is mentioned 57 times. So good job. Good job. You guys are good.

SPEAKER_04 40:03

Way lower.

SPEAKER_03 40:03

Yeah, way lower. Okay, the next one, figs. Now we're gonna talk about olive oil or oil.

SPEAKER_04 40:08

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 40:08

Um, how many times do you think it's mentioned? Olive oil is mentioned in the Bible. Higher or lower?

SPEAKER_09 40:13

Definitely higher than figs. Okay, higher than figs?

SPEAKER_03 40:16

Probably. I would go the same. These guys are going to alignment. I like it. It is 191 times. You are correct, gentlemen. You're running pretty good right now. I like that. All right, um, olive oil, and then the next one is honey. So higher or lower on honey. This is I was kind of surprised by this one. Higher or lower. 191 on olive oil. How many times do you think honey? You gotta think about I think about, you know, Samson. You gotta think about, you know, uh all, you know, Psalms, Proverbs, you know, Solomon. That many times, though.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 40:53

I think it's a little lower.

SPEAKER_02 40:54

Okay, so going lower, Shabo.

SPEAKER_01 40:57

I'll go the opposite. I'll say sl uh, I'll say slightly higher.

SPEAKER_03 41:01

It is 61 times. Oh, no, significantly lower. Good job. Okay, you got one space in between you. Uh all right, we're going honey, and then we're going to grapes. Honey to grapes, higher or lower? I think, you know, the vineyard, Jesus with a narrative.

SPEAKER_01 41:18

But does that count though? Is every time they mention grapes?

SPEAKER_03 41:21

Anytime you you mention grapes. We'll just say the word grapes or say like I think it's the word. I think it's word grapes. More wine, I think, would be in the number, higher number. So I don't know. I don't know what the correlation is, but it's a good question. So grapes versus grapes versus we have honey. Honey was the last one. I'll go higher. You gotta go higher, okay? Honey with 61. What do you think grapes is?

SPEAKER_09 41:46

I think grapes are a little lower.

SPEAKER_03 41:47

Okay, higher, lower. It is higher, 66 times according to this. So just edited it out. So you guys are back to flat. Really higher. Uh, on how many you guys had there. Okay, so we are going, we went uh oil, honey, grapes. Now we're going to milk. Uh grapes was 66. How many times do you think milk is in there? Higher.

SPEAKER_09 42:05

Higher.

SPEAKER_03 42:07

It is 49 times. It is way lower according to this list. So interesting. Okay, so we're at milk at 49 times. The next thing we're gonna go to is wheat. What do you think it is? Higher or lower?

SPEAKER_09 42:21

I think wheat's higher than milk.

SPEAKER_03 42:24

Okay.

SPEAKER_09 42:26

Triangle goes. Which way does a triangle go?

SPEAKER_03 42:31

Jay, what do you think, man?

SPEAKER_01 42:32

I don't know. I'm I'm trying to just off the top of your head. What do you think? Uh I'll say higher. I think it's like 70 something.

SPEAKER_03 42:40

It is higher, only 52 times, so barely higher. So almost flat. But yeah, uh, you guys both got that right. All right, goes from wheat to what do we have on the list here? Butter. How many times do you think butter was mentioned? Lower.

SPEAKER_09 42:54

Yeah, I think butter's lower.

SPEAKER_03 42:55

I don't think of I can't think of any of any off the top of my head. So butter is lower. It has it as 10 times in here. So a lot lower. Okay, interesting. Here's the next one. Okay, butter to uh oh, we're going salt. Butter to salt.

SPEAKER_09 43:11

Salt way higher.

SPEAKER_03 43:12

Higher. Higher. They have salt here as 43 times, which I thought was low. It is interesting. But it's higher than the last one. So you guys both got it right. Um yes, 43 is interesting for salt. I was thinking about lot. I'm thinking about cheese, salty earth. Yeah, I was just thinking of these other ones, like, okay, what's interesting. All right, salt, and then we're gonna go to lamb. Yeah, way higher.

SPEAKER_09 43:33

Lamb is higher, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:34

Yeah, lamb at 189. Yeah, that's what the number they have in here. So I think the animal, but also food. So I mean sacrifice also. Tons of tons of things there. Um watch the lamb. You see Barry singing the song. No. Uh shout out, Barry. There you go. I love that song. Um, all right. Uh Lamb to beef. Higher or lower? Lower.

SPEAKER_09 43:57

I think it's lower.

SPEAKER_03 43:59

It is lower. 89 times. You guys are locked in right there together. Very, very interesting. This next one was interesting. Uh fish. Higher or lower than beef.

SPEAKER_09 44:08

Higher.

SPEAKER_01 44:09

Than beef? Mm-hmm. Oh. I mean, I would say higher off the top of my head.

SPEAKER_03 44:17

Okay, they have it as lower. It was 52. I was surprised by that. I get because there's so many narratives, you know, like the the lunch with the bread and the fish, you know, the fish with the coin, you know, casting your nuts on the other side of the boat.

SPEAKER_01 44:29

That might be why, though.

SPEAKER_03 44:30

Is it maybe it's just only New Testament?

SPEAKER_01 44:32

Yeah, only in like the Gospels is probably why. Because like think think like Old Testament-wise. I think like maybe Noah. They're in the desert. Hard to find fish in the desert. Yeah, pretty difficult. That's why bread was so high, is because like bread and mana. You got Jonah, giant fish. Yeah. So okay, that's one.

SPEAKER_02 44:48

You know, the originator of sushi.

SPEAKER_01 44:50

No, I'm checking.

SPEAKER_03 44:52

Alright, so okay, uh, fish. We're gonna go to pomegranate, and then we have the last two here. So fish to pomegranate, how many times higher or lower pomegranate? It's gotta be lower. I know they say it a lot in Song of Solomon, but I don't Song of Solomon. I think it's lower. It's also in the ornate making of the temple in the tabernacle. Oh, I think it's so in this.

SPEAKER_09 45:09

I think it's higher than the fish.

SPEAKER_03 45:10

I think higher than fish.

SPEAKER_01 45:11

In Leviticus. Oh, dude. If it's in that, it's gonna be like way, way higher. You have higher or lower. Which one do you got?

SPEAKER_03 45:19

Uh I'm gonna six my guy. I'm gonna say lower. Okay, got lower Angus swimming with higher. It is 32 times, so it's lower. So I think you're you're head by one, barely squeezing out the win at the hearing. Let's see. We have one last one. You can tie it up or win. So we'll see what happens. Let's see. Higher or lower, pomegranate to dates. Dates are dates are so good. We lived in Egypt. There's like a gajillion different types of dates in Egypt. Um, what do you think? Higher or lower? Pomegranates was at 32. That's a good one. This makes me want to go back and check these numbers.

SPEAKER_02 45:54

Yeah, I can't think of any biblical dates, though. That's the problem. I mean, you know, what's up, girl? You want to go on a date? Yeah. There's no way it's a different date, though. Yeah. That's a different time.

SPEAKER_05 46:03

That wasn't a thing back then either. By the way, you had to like pay a lot to get it, get to get a wife. Yeah. You know.

SPEAKER_01 46:11

I'm thinking figs is what was the what was the fig number?

SPEAKER_03 46:15

Uh figs. Figs was 57. Figs was 57.

SPEAKER_01 46:21

And then pomegranates was 32. Okay, I'm gonna say dates is higher than because I think it's gonna be semi-close to figs. Interesting.

SPEAKER_09 46:28

I guess dates is higher than pomegranates.

SPEAKER_03 46:30

You're both wrong. Heaven at nine. So, friends, wherever you're at home. Hopefully you did well on your biblical foods knowledge. Uh, not that it matters, but it is pretty cool to find out how many times. And I guess that means we need to what? Have wine, bread, and lamb, pretty much.

SPEAKER_05 46:47

Is what it's saying here, based on this stuff.

SPEAKER_03 46:49

So, you know, as your as your conscience in your in your paperwork says. So praise the Lord. One of the C's we talk about here is creativity. And we talk about a lot uh about technology and things that have been happening uh kind of in our world around us. One of the things that just recently happened during the Easter uh holiday that we just passed was a drone show. It's the new record for North America, so not touching China, which is these huge ones, but over 5,000 drones were used in in in uh for Easter in Texas, and they showed uh Jesus is Lord, the names of Jesus, the Jesus on the cross. You guys got a chance to see this?

SPEAKER_09 47:23

Yeah, it was super cool. It's it's amazing what they can do now with drones and everything. Uh but I saw an animated Jesus, you know, as he was uh as he was dying on the cross, man. It was powerful.

SPEAKER_03 47:36

Yeah, huge too. I mean, gigantic in the sky, pretty powerful. Javin, you've seen it live. I mean, we've seen uh drones shows starting with World Cup even before that.

SPEAKER_01 47:44

Yeah, and guitar, it's been crazy. And like the more that they scale it and the quicker that the drones can get, and like the brighter that they get, it's it's super cool. And in Texas, this does not really surprise me because like I feel like they would just have have it in them as Texans to be able to do this, but yeah, totally. That's super cool that that this was like a public thing for people. Did they have to pay for it or was it just like a public show?

SPEAKER_03 48:03

I'm sure I'm sure it was a major, probably a church that did it, most likely. Or I mean, no local government's gonna be like Jesus is the Lord unless it's no no no, I know that you know, some you know, a majority of people on the on the board of the are are in favor. Yeah, but it could be like a charity outreach or something. That's why I was like, Yeah, it was really cool. I'd assume that a big chur mega church did it. Probably happened. So maybe they they grounded the flying drummers for just this one service and then they did the drunk show outside. I think it was on a good Friday when they did it. It's really cool, man. Beautiful. It's cool. Very beautiful. So uh, what a neat way to to use tech to honor God. That was pretty powerful. Um, one of the places that we have lived in life, uh meaning myself and Javen, is that we lived in Egypt. I literally just got off the phone with a friend of ours in Cairo right before we we did this podcast. So we was talking with him for a few minutes. Um, and we lived in Cairo for a better part of a year before we moved to Alexandria. And so I've been to the pyramids a lot of times. In fact, I've driven before when you could, I drove my car around the pyramids, would take people on tours of the pyramids. We got pictures of you in our house climbing the pyramids like it's a play place, J Vos. Yeah, these big blocks, I mean, massive things. Yeah, it's pretty well. But you have pictures around and in the pyramids. We've been in the pyramids and multiple pyramids. I mean Tufu's pyramid and the red pyramid, the slanted pyramid, all the different pyramids. Step pyramid.

SPEAKER_01 49:22

It's dope to be in one though. It's like super damp in there, it's really damp. Because like you're I mean, you're essentially going underground, or if not like level with the ground, but because everything like leads down into like this really dark tomb, which is what it's supposed to be. But it's like you're you're so far behind all these layers of wall that it's like everything in there's just like really damp and cold, and it's like thousands of years old.

SPEAKER_03 49:44

So yeah, um, it's very weird to be underneath that much rock. I'll say that. So if you go upwards, you don't get as much dampness. If you go down, obviously Javen said it's like that. Plus, people are real cool and go pee inside those things, so it smells nust like musty, like uh like uh ammonia. So that's always a good time. And you could tell, you're like, who what genius did this? Yeah, and so but you are pretty far in there, so it makes sense that you might have a bladder situation. Yeah, uh, because you have to literally like bend down to creep up and go. And you've probably seen videos of people going in there. Here's the deal the new stuff. The new thing says that the digital scans of the pyramids, they they show new models showing deep elements underground. I mean like hundreds of feet beneath the pyramids. There are these like cylinders or rods or staircases or something that go all the way down.

SPEAKER_07 50:30

Yeah, that's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 50:31

And it's very bizarre. I mean, this all these scientists that are taking these scans are doing like like deep penetrating radar and all sorts of stuff. Obviously, the people at the pyramids were not excited about this that they because they got these scans thinking, oh yeah, I'm just gonna show like a passageway or something, which have always been said to have been there. No, they're showing that these things are maybe not what we thought they were. They're it's not actually Khufu's resting place because most of everybody else was buried in the other part of Egypt, but instead is actually something else. So very interesting.

SPEAKER_09 51:02

Yeah, I've seen I've seen a lot of stuff with the pyramids just because uh, you know, there's a lot of conspiracies that are uh involved when it comes to pyramids. I mean, the the fact that we find them all over the world, including Antarctica, you know, and so um so they say so yeah, and so there's I think there's a lot um that that we still have yet to learn about them, what they what their true purpose was and and all of it. Because I mean um I've seen things where they said that we couldn't currently build the the pyramids the same way because using the tools and stuff, I mean you can't fit a credit card between some of these stones. That's true. And that is, you know, I mean, that's tech that we we should be able to do that.

SPEAKER_03 51:48

Yeah, but we could do it now, but they're saying like we can't do it with what technology they had. That's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_09 51:53

Yeah, is with the technology that they had, we couldn't replicate it today.

SPEAKER_03 51:58

Well, and very, very difficult to do today because of even what we have. They're like, yeah, I mean, to move this massive monolith of of stone, I don't we it would be very difficult to do. You couldn't fly it, you'd have to like do some kind of land movement or boat movement, which obviously we know they had water and a bunch of other stuff. I'm not getting into all that narrative, but very interesting to see these new scans that reveal this stuff. They're also thinking that it's possible because if you've ever been there and you you're looking at if you're looking at the uh at the Sphinx itself, you're facing the pyramids. So you're like the pyramids are kind of there behind the Sphinx. So you would have been at where the river mouth was that came close by, and those that was kind of right on the edge of the river, closer to the river. Now all that stuff's like way in town. The the the Nile, they've moved it considerably further away and made very strong uh sides of the river. There's stuff built all the way up and down it. You can go to restaurants and things down the river throughout Cairo. Um, but my point was that that water used to be right alongside it. So they're now thinking that there's an additional sphinx that's stuck underneath the sand, which is kind of hardened it into like hard rock or whatever, but they think it's underneath what has not been excavated. So that'd be really interesting to see like what happens with that and everything that goes on there. So that could be a real insight thing. So I don't not really quite sure what's going on with that, but dum dum-dum. We'll find out in the days ahead as they kind of give us more understanding of the pyramids and what goes on there. I'm interested to know what is underneath the pyramids in other parts of the world. So the ones that we've seen in Mexico and Guatemala and in Peru up on the hill, not the pyramids, but the buildings that are there. I'd be interested to see that. Anchor Wat, I'd like to see the scans there, see are they built for that reason? Are they built more the step pyramid way? What does that look like? So very interesting.

SPEAKER_09 53:40

Well, and what I'm curious about is their what what their purposes were and what function it it played into in their technology of the day. Because I've seen um different things where uh men have recreated various objects from within uh temples in India. And when you put water over it, it generates uh current and you know, there's all kinds of things that you know that all it needed was water to to produce something, and we know from you know, people in the 70s they invented water, you know, fuelable cars. So uh so there's there's something to the power of water. Uh we know that, and there's power and resonance and frequencies and all of that stuff. And so with big giant things that water runs through, who knows what it could have been for.

SPEAKER_03 54:31

Was this a massive power thing? Was it something else? Did it redirect the Nile? Did it do what did it do?

SPEAKER_09 54:36

Yeah, and why? Yeah, I'm curious.

SPEAKER_03 54:37

Yeah, same. I'm very interested, especially having been there for so long so many times and walked around it. It's still very, very impressive. It is gigantic. The blocks are huge. And if you go up to like some of the places in temples, both there and in in uh Luxor and Aswan, man, it's massive pieces. You're like, I don't know how they did this. I don't have any idea. I mean, they're custom fit, big, massive blocks that are put together. So it would have been a different thing than what we understand now because we know that they didn't have cranes, we know they didn't have all this other stuff that we would need to have to do it now. So I'm not sure of what happened with that, but very insightful to think about. And uh man, it's a creative world we live in. So the Lord give us some insight into that in the future, it'd be cool. Uh, one of the things that we have developed, which is a scary idea, is something that is called the rods of God. And maybe you've seen this before. They've talked about how they actually can release these um kind of like telephone pole-sized tungsten uh rods that they don't have any explosives on them or anything else, but if they release them at this at a certain velocity, uh they become like a weapon. And so they have the devastation impact of um some of the smaller nuclear weapons without any of the radiation. So they impact in such a heavy way that it essentially makes a massive crater. Oh, that's crazy. And so they are they are saying that this is developed, that this is a thing. Um, and it's the reason they're saying it's a thing is because recently all these scientists went missing across the US. And it's all people that had clearance working with NASA and working in CIA and working, and it's not good that they're all disappearing in the same weekend. And so in the last two months, it's like all these major people, they're all gone. They don't know where they are.

SPEAKER_09 56:17

Salt River. Anybody check the salt river?

SPEAKER_03 56:19

They could be, uh, but it is literally they're like, oh, they all decided to go on a hike. Like, what?

SPEAKER_05 56:26

Is that a prerequisite?

SPEAKER_03 56:28

Like, hey, if you work for NASA, you gotta be an outdoorsy person.

SPEAKER_05 56:30

Yeah, like you gotta go hiking by yourself in the woods, no weapon.

SPEAKER_03 56:34

Yeah, you know you're like, uh wait, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_08 56:37

What's going on?

SPEAKER_03 56:38

Yeah, so I I don't know. Um, I I'm not trying to go tinful hat on this one, but I would say like there's something to these things, and they really are missing these people. So I don't know exactly what that's gonna be. But you guys have seen this since seen this stuff, J Bo?

SPEAKER_01 56:51

Yeah, that's I mean, that stuff is crazy. Like the fact that it doesn't emit that much radiation, but it can do like similar impact, at least on a smaller level, is wild. Like, you think if they could get a big enough like rod like what you're talking about, or even transform it into like a a sphere or a block that would be able to shoot at the same velocity or something like optimized for that, they could do like some crazy devastation or impact to whatever they wanted. Whether that's like doing what Elon's talking about, where he's like going to the moon and making like impacts and stuff like that, it would just I don't know, it'd be it'd be kind of crazy. So I dude, our our world gets scarier every day, man.

SPEAKER_09 57:30

I think that if we spent as much energy uh not trying to destroy ourselves, for sure, um, we'd be in a lot better place. I mean if we were if we move some money around from this project to that, I mean we're as humans we've become exceptional at killing each other, which is unfortunate. I mean it's very sad. Yeah. Um and billions and trillions of dollars a year are you know uh given to towards death when what if we what if we were to refocus some of those? Could we could we solve a lot of the problems that ultimately lead to to these wars and the need for those kinds of weapons, you know? Um I I I think that we'll see it when Jesus comes back.

SPEAKER_03 58:16

Amen. Um Yeah, we could like turn the pyramids back on and use the generation station.

SPEAKER_09 58:21

Exactly. Um but uh but because of the fallen nature of man and you know the enemy operating at the scale he does, uh I don't see I don't see the votes going that way.

SPEAKER_03 58:32

No, I agree with you. Um so here's the other side of that. If you guys have seen the correlation of the large impact, uh recently um Ninjas are butterflies, which is a podcast that we like to follow. It's pretty fun. Those guys talk actually sometimes similar stuff to what we're talking about. We kind of pick out some of the weird things to talk about, but they actually are uh a t they also have a t-shirt company that they do as along as with with media. We actually buy their t-shirts, we use their t-shirts, they're good stuff. Um, but man, they were talking about impacts around the world and they were talking about um craters. So we have we have the meteor crater up here in in northern Arizona. Have you ever been to it? Yeah, yeah, I have too. And um, J Bow I don't know if you've ever been. I've never been, but it's massive, and it's this big, massive, like even hole disc. It's really crazy. Like, you want to explain it?

SPEAKER_09 59:16

It's a giant hole. So I mean, close your eyes and picture the biggest hole you've ever seen and then multiply it. Yeah, it's it is just a massive thing. I mean, they've got a uh visitor center and stuff that you can go, but like uh it's just this gigantic hole in the ground, and then you there's a little museum that you can walk through and and it kind of talks about like what happened as far as the um how far stuff blew out and all that stuff. But that it's a massive hole in the ground that's not the Grand Canyon. That's what we're gonna do.

SPEAKER_03 59:47

Right. And they're these are all over the place, they're all over the planet. Obviously, they they very much look like what you'd see the surface of the moon, except the moon doesn't have the kind of atmosphere we do, so there's nothing to burn up things. So they just kind of get impact a lot more. So it's an interesting deal because it has that kind of circular piece to it. But their their correlation on that podcast is they were talking about how this could be impact from fallen angels instead of just being like uh just being impact from like meteors or whatever, like space debris. They're saying, What if this is actually the impact when the angels landed? Like they he sent them down and they're like bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, and then just like that's where they hit. So it was an interesting podcast, interesting clip and things I saw from them. I was like, Well, there you go, rods of God, this whole thing, circles, yeah, you know, all the tinfoil hats.

SPEAKER_09 1:00:32

Yeah. Well, I mean, I think it makes sense. I mean, they they had to land somewhere. True. Um, you know, and from what I understand, the the depth of those craters are like life-ending type deals. Yeah, for sure. Uh, so that either means they all happened at the same time, and that's why we don't have the dinosaurs. Sure. Or we're then existing. Which is what they say, you know. Or, you know, maybe this is was one of the events during creation that when they were cast out.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:03

I mean, that's a good point.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:05

We'll have to ask the Lord.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:07

That's right. It's a good point. Yeah, and it and of course, you know, we take all these things, we're just talking about them theoretically, about what it is, but it is very interesting to think about some of this stuff and kind of the reports of what this is. So very interesting. Hey, one of the things about talking about using the uh using technology with the gospel is uh there is a ministry called Lux Digital Church, and they are reaching gamers with the gospel. They have kind of digital uh churches in spaces like Roblox and other places like that. And one of the things that they have done is they're talking about on the podcast with Carrie Newhoff, who's a pastor and very much somebody in like the Christian leadership space, a really good podcast. Um they were talking about how there's 3.7 billion gamers worldwide. I was like, man, that's pretty crazy. All three of us are gamers. We all like the gamer stuff. Javo, you've been uh actively where? You've been fighting in ancient Egypt?

SPEAKER_01 1:01:56

Yeah, on man, Assassin's Creed Origins is so fun. Uh yeah. But I mean, besides that, I kind of just play like free-to-play games and stuff like that. That's about it. For sure. Angus U2, you're kind of into the gaming sphere.

SPEAKER_09 1:02:08

I'm uh I'm currently in Valhalla. Oh, Assassin's Creed. That's fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:13

And I've beat all those games. I've also played those games. Uh they're they're fun. I listen a lot of times. I'll like uh I haven't done it in a while, but uh from time to time I would go in on there kind of twice a year, kind of mid summer at the fourth of July when I have a little bit more of a break. And then also at Christmas time, I would take like and I would just play new games. I'd buy new games like Assassin's Creed or Call of Duty, whatever, and play them for a little while, and then I get back into busy mode and I don't play games for another four or five months. But uh it is definitely entertaining. I would I would like play a game, listen to a podcast, and kind of just chill out. And it's like you know, I see it like watching a show or watching a movie, but being interactive, so I really enjoy it. But you can understand what why there'd be an opportunity for evangelism there. Pretty crazy. Do you guys think you would attend or go to a digital church service? No, I don't I don't I don't think so personally. Not in a I mean in a gaming sphere. I don't mean just watch it online, but like in a gaming place.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:05

Still, I I think there's the problem that comes up with this the more that I think about it is like I I understand people trying to get like their foot in the door with like gamers and like reach them in an online space, but it also becomes like if if that's the standard that you're setting for people, it doesn't look like what church is supposed to look like as far as like liturgy and things like that. You've referenced that before, yeah. Yeah, exactly, because then it can just become whatever it wants to be. But like part of our walk with Christ is doing it like within the real world, not just like online. And obviously, there's like the way that you treat people online should be the way that you treat people like in the real world, but um that's to say that like you're called to live within a physical context and like experience the world physically because that's like the life that we've been given to do that. So whenever we reference things like church, like part of taking sacrament like the Eucharist and baptism is that's like a very physical process that's intertwined with the spiritual, right? So when you kind of digitalize that, that you sort of remove that element entirely from like the experience of what it is to walk out and um enter in uh forgiveness and repentance with Christ in that way, so it just it like minimizes the church experience to kind of just more um or being like a message, which is cool for like reaching people, but at the same time it's it's like the same thing as if you were to watch like a sermon or watch like a a YouTube short about something. It's w virtually the same thing, which is why I think calling it online church gets a little bit problematic within that sense, but I totally respect the initiative that they're going for. I just think like you have to make that delineation clear, especially to a primarily young audience, it's that they're gonna be uh reaching. So yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:04:52

Yeah, I think that um that it's a great starting point for people. Um, you know, I mean, if you're not gonna hear anything, something is better than nothing. Um and you know, a lot of a lot of those gamers are very locked into their games, they spend a lot of hours in there, and you know, um not to be uh, you know, we just know that they spend a lot of time, you know, a lot tend to be introverted and things like that.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:18

That's true.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:19

Yeah, so I know for my introverted wife, when she comes to church, she can be overwhelmed sometimes, you know. Um, and so um so I get that. Uh and so I think that it's good for those kinds of people who maybe aren't um down with crowds and and things like that. But to Javen's point, I think that that it should be more of a a jumping off point, you know. Once you get familiar, once you uh um once you s dip your toe in the pool, then it's time to go find your your church body, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:52

It'd be a physical church, an actual representation like we'd think in the real world.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:56

So yeah, you know, um, okay, so you know, talking about the Sass. Creed, like for instance, Origins is actually in Egypt. And so we had an international church in Egypt. So yeah, we could break out and do Alexandria Community Church digital and be in the middle of there doing a doing a church service. But it is an interesting thought. I mean, I I give I give credit to Lux Digital Church and what they're trying to accomplish. I understand that I agree. I think it's not the fullness of the experience. Um and it can be a little bit of a bait and switch, I think, if if um if it depends on how they present it. If they're presenting it as like this is one version of this, but you need to go and get connected to something else, then I think that that's probably the right way. Um it reminds me very much of like house church because like people will meet together in a house church, and I don't have anything against house churches on the on the surface of it. Um, you know, they're meeting together, that's very much like what essentially a church started as. Um my the point, I think, within our current context of how we do what we do is that that was in a day when you didn't really move out of your community, you didn't really go, that was who you were. You were from there and those were your people. And so you had a lot more of long-term establishment. So that made a lot more sense because you would have essentially what we would do with small groups here, you would have people that live nearby you studying together the word. But they're part of something greater, a larger entity. So even within Christendom then they had larger amounts of people coming together, and then they would they would break out and have smaller entities that they they met with. Obviously, that's why you could write an epistle and have it travel from church to church to church because they were interconnected to each other. Whereas I don't see that as much now. I see people that want to go to a house church most of the time are pushing back against establishment church, but I want to have it as like I'm in control of my own little church over here and this is what it is. And so I understand where they're coming from. But down the downside is most of those people aren't trained as a pastor in any way, most of them don't have any legitimacy that ties them to any kind of specific perspective on on Christ. And so it makes me think about it from this direction because you know that's the wave of non-denominational stuff as well. But usually the legitimacy of the pastors is because they went to a seminary somewhere. So that's what grounds them back, even though they have an independent church, they're grounded back to some thought process. And so that's with life church, that's with most of these big international or big independent churches. Uh and so it'd be interesting to see who Lux Digital is connected to and who their kind of source is and what that looks like. I know like Life Church, they did an online version of their church in the gaming space as well. In the meta universe, they did one for a long time. And we're doing that because there were people there, but now it's all shut, and this is kind of the new version of that in that space. So very much interesting to see what that might look like. So kind of insightful for us going forward. One of the things that we've uh seen and talked about a lot is humanoid robots, and uh and we've seen them popping up all over the place recently. Uh, one of the things we talked about was then being on the Flavorant podcast, and one of the podcasts they were on recently was Sean Ryan. Sean Ryan is a former um Navy SEAL and CIA operator. He is somebody who has kind of that sphere of people on his podcast, and so it's very insightful for them to have uh one of the robots on on the podcast, and he's over there interacting with the robot and it's coming and bringing him stuff. Did you guys get a chance to see this clip? Yeah. What'd you think of it?

SPEAKER_09 1:09:11

He said he wanted a couple of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:12

Yeah, he's like, Oh, yeah, I'll take a couple for the house because they could do all sorts of like tasks.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:16

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:17

Um very interesting.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:18

You know, it's one of those things, again, it's you're just gonna have to determine how comfortable you are. It's where we're going. Um, and so how comfortable are you with how many in your house or not, you know. Um, I think it'd be cool to have, but also knowing that that's like another person in your house that is talking to its company every night.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:41

Exactly right. Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:43

And so that's that's a side that I don't necessarily care for, you know. Uh I would love to have a humanoid robot to clean my house, but I don't necessarily know that I want China in my in my house.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:53

Yeah, it's a good point. Or even the American side of that either. You know, we're no better as far as the companies go. 100%. Uh yeah. Um, Jamie, what do you think, man? Do you get a chance to see Sean? Did you see him pushing that robot around? I did not know. I saw the flagrant one, but I did not see the Sean one. Yeah, Sean is like he's like, no, it self-balances, it's actually better than a person that's self-balancing, which he's probably right. No, and Sean is just like, no holes barred, dude, just shoving that bad boy. You saw it, Angus? Yeah, yeah. What'd you think of that?

SPEAKER_09 1:10:20

Um I just hope it doesn't ever get mad.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:24

I mean, Sean is a is a you know, obviously he's an operator, man. He's a he's a pipe pipe hitter kind of guy. So I mean, I get that he had no problem just like giving it a solid shove. He was proper shoving that thing, it was not moving. Yeah, he was going boop, reset, boop, reset. Yeah, yeah. And I mean he's you know, got lifts. I mean, he's out there doing the thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:42

I was like, okay, all right, okay. You know, new level of respect earned.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:48

Yeah, you know what I mean? Like, you got it. So I thought that was pretty, pretty insane, pretty good. Uh, one of the other advancements that we've seen in AI has been some of the releases that have happened, both positive and negative in the AI space. Uh, first, open AI is shutting down Sora. Now, I think all of us were probably tricked by originally by a Sora clip. Did you guys get tricked by a Sora clip at all?

SPEAKER_09 1:11:11

I don't know that I'd be able to tell you the difference between any of them.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:14

Yeah. Yeah. I've been real popular for a minute, like with uh especially with animals and babies and stuff, especially like in yards, and like they're kind of emulating security cameras, a lot of the videos that I saw that were real popular. And you couldn't quite tell that it was fake until the very end it'd be like Sora and have a watermark, and you're like, oh, this whole thing was fake.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:33

So it's kind of crazy. Yeah, some of the cam footage was like a little hard to decipher. Like, um, I think there was one of like bears jumping on a trampoline that people thought was real for a for a while, but then it was like, come on, dude, like the bears aren't jumping on the trampoline. Plus, they have claws. Yeah, yeah. As soon as they stand them, it's gonna, yeah, it's gonna shoot. They weigh a ton too. So it'd be like, yeah. But um, I don't think I think for the most part, I didn't really get many Sora clips. I think I got more of um of what comes from like personalized generative AI that like is like really high quality and detailed. But I didn't I didn't really get many of like the the shorts, if you will, that a lot of people did.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:08

But yeah, I I for whatever reason, I guess I'm probably in the old person algorithm, so it just funneled that thing at me, man. I saw a whole bunch of those. A ton of the baby ones, a ton of the animal ones, and it seemed I was like, oh, these are cute, and that's why they do that, right? It's because it's gonna hook you and they got good at it. Uh, we were talking about before how they were using um uh they were using Will Smith eating spaghetti as the as the marker of how good AI is. Do you guys see this? Like the old versions, and like from just a few years ago, like you know, like 2022, like they would have them and he's like eating spaghetti, and it looks disgusting. It's not realistic at all. He's like blah blah blah blah blah blah and the mouth's all going weird and the noodles are going weird. And then the next year it was much, much better. Still weird, still definitely not real. And then uh, and then it slowly got like better and better because it's complicated, right? Each piece is like in your mouth's gonna do a certain thing. And then the new one, man, it's like, dude, you can't tell it's not him. It's like he takes out, eats a fork, spends it up, eats his chewing, talking. It you think it's him, and you're like, oh dude, wow, this is this is it. Unless you know he got hip to it and went and filmed him eating spaghetti for no reason, but I don't I don't know. Remember that in a movie. So uh yeah, it's really interesting. Uh Google also they released uh a piece of kit um called TurboQuant. It's supposed to take the existing supercomputers and uh operational systems of any computer and better memory usage, so it actually doesn't take up as much uh space on some of your memory. All of us have probably ran out of memory at some point, and you're like, wait, what? Because you have too many tabs open or you have too many items open that are that are heavy hitters and taking a lot of your memory. And so this is supposed to help with that, especially for AI. So they're trying to to make it better. So they've released this. Obviously, they have Gemini, they have the other tools that they have. So they're kind of putting that in connection to it, which is really very interesting. Uh this other guy, he's a young guy. Um, I think he's 21. He re he established this thing called microfish. Uh uh, a mirror fish. Sorry, Mirofish. And Mirofish is supposed to it's supposed to emulate lots of AI acting at the same time. So it's kind of trying to see what the schools of fish, like what the school of idea of how AI works together, and it kind of simulates how AI will react. So he's he created this this simulation tool to help people understand how greater greater AI will act for something, which I thought that was very insightful. I was like, man, this is smart. Instead of like, oh, we need a bunch of AI to run this tool. It's like, no, how about we simulate what they will do and how they'll interact with each other? So what a very insightful thing. Yeah. What do you think about that, Jabo?

SPEAKER_01 1:14:43

Uh dude, I well, I think that's pretty cool as a concept, but I I've also grown or I've seen something like kind of about this whole AI spiel, which I think is interesting, that besides like Gemini, which is like innately tied to Google, so they have like or so they're comfortable running it, even if it's at a loss, they like can cover everything. Right. Is that companies like OpenAI are losing so much money every year that they've actually, I think, went net negative, like as a company, like they're just in debt. Um, but it's interesting because most of their funding will come from companies like Microsoft, or you'll see like BlackRock owns a huge stake of open AI, and you're like, so why are they investing that much money in a company that's just seems to be dying? The common theory of thought is that open AI or is that these companies are waiting for open AI to essentially run themselves into the ground so that by the time that everything like is collected as assets by the by the shareholders, they will have the entire infrastructure for like information access on a ton of different people. And if you're Microsoft, who's making chips, who's making all these different computers, who holds like billions upon billions of accounts, then suddenly you have access to basically all the information you'd ever want on the internet just because of a lawsuit and you paid like no money for it because you didn't have to set yourself up for it, you just paid initially at the beginning, and then that company killed itself, so now you can integrate it into your own, which I think is pretty interesting. If we end up getting like a one essentially like massive corporation that will just control the way that information's funneled, like from the AI to the user, which I think is slowly what we're seeing happening with like all these different models are introduced, but slowly they like kind of weed themselves out.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:22

I think they call that Skynet.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:26

Yeah, yeah, that could be. I you know, there was a real threat. We didn't really talk about that, but there was a real threat from Iran to blow up OpenAI as it like their their big place that they've developed or they're developing in Abu Dhabi. And so there was a big threat from Iran to go and target that, which would have put back all these big companies uh in the states and everywhere else that's invested into them, it would have put them back substantially. So that would have been a real a real blow to the AI process, especially in that part of the world. Um, so that would have been very insightful. But yeah, I've seen the amount of money that they've been investing in this thing and other people obviously clothed and other things that are a competitor to them um and seeing kind of who's doing what and why they're doing it. Um, I think because America because the US government has embraced open AI and they print money, I don't know that open AI will fall down the way they think it's going to. I think that they'll prop it up the way that they did Bear Stearns or anything else that's that crashes. So um I think that there's something to that with longevity that you know I think it's gonna have more of a life than it they think. But they'll have access to all of the, to your point, they'll have access to all of the data because they will be they'll be shareholders and significant shareholders. So I know Amazon is is done something similar, other people have done different things, and what they're doing is buying in so that they have they have stake in the game because they're like, hey, if this horse is gonna win, I need my I need it to land too, and we're gonna pay this other way too, and we'll have multiple people running essentially to win the AI race. So we'll see. Yeah, see what happens with all that. So that that should be really, really insightful. Um, Meta, they have also released their own tool in AI, and that tool uh is called Tribe 2. So they they came out with something called Tribe. You gotta remember Meta is they say their mission is connecting with people, making people helping people to connect, and um, and that's kind of their their mission from who they are. Um, they is it them that used to be one of them, maybe it was Apple. It was like there were several things that were like these pieces, and one of them was um don't be evil. Did you ever see this? And then they took that off.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:29

I think so. So it always makes me frightened when a tech company, I forget which one, it's like tech company has right on their on their mag script, don't be evil, and then they're like, Well, maybe we'd delete that part. So that's that's terrifying, and not my favorite. Yeah, so there is that.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:46

Um, but yeah, so they were they launched this thing called Tribe 2. It's supposed to help and incorporate uh active vision audio and language in real time. So the idea would be you could walk in and similar to like the live translation apps and different things, or like Apple's AirPods, where you can you can sync up to a language and it'll live translate. They're talking about them doing that live video audio and um yeah, in language. Yeah, which would be game changer. Yeah. What do you think? Where would you take the uh the translator with you? Where would you want to go?

SPEAKER_09 1:19:18

I'd want to go back to Nepal. That's a great place, man. Yeah, for sure. They have a really interesting language also. Uh the uh the place that we talked about before where they click with their tongues. Oh, yeah, that's true.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:29

Yeah, some of the places in Africa and the different yeah, the different places that speak that. That would be that would be cool. Chavo, what do you think, man? Where would you want to use a tool like this?

SPEAKER_01 1:19:36

Uh I'd use it anywhere I could, so long as it like understood what the language was. Yeah. And there was somebody that spoke it. So it'd be a good way to start.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:44

You didn't use it at Federico's, see what they really think of you.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:49

Go to you go to your favorite, your favorite shop that's making your local food.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:53

Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:54

Find out what the people at the nail salon are really saying.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:56

Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:57

Etc. etc. That was the meme, right, that came out whenever they were doing the AirPods and the whole nine yards. I was like, oh yeah, oh yeah. So pretty fun. Um, the other thing that that they were talking about there is the connection to uh some of these pieces that are taking AI and put putting it into hardware. And one of those examples that we'd seen is Neurolink. Now, Neuralink is tied to Elon Musk. It's essentially uh an interface that that essentially takes the human brain and connects a chip to it, and then they're able to interface the chip to communication devices outside of the person, meaning they can run that chip into a computer, the computer can therefore uh talk or can interact or whatever, and whatever's loaded on the computer, the person can interface just using their mind. So the first people to get the Neurolink uh chip were actually been people who are paraplegic. So it's been people who could not move their body, couldn't move, and many of them couldn't communicate very well. They could enough to actually obviously to give consent. But one of the guys that he's had it for I think it's for three months, and he's been living with Neurolink for three months, and he was having, you know, before that it was he was having a really hard time. Now he's playing video games with his mind, he's communicating with people with his mind. That's wild. Yeah. What's your take on that, Angus?

SPEAKER_09 1:21:14

Uh it's very cool to to think that that's where technology is taking us. Uh, but I don't like the uh the hybrid human kind of uh idea. Okay, you know, um just because it it dehumanizes who we are. Um God created us a certain way, and uh and so I I you know I don't think augmentation, human augmentation for is for that is is necessarily a good thing. Okay. Um, but um but I see the the benefit. I mean I I wouldn't want to deny this man the f you know the freedom to be able to do that. I think we just have to be real careful as to what uh what it looks like moving forward.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:55

Yeah, that's a good point, Jamie.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:57

What do you think, man? I don't know. I think just the whole conversation surrounding human augmentation is very interesting because it's like at what point does it really become a problem? Because like we understand that in Western culture, especially, there's been a lot of like uh things involving like cosmetic surgery where people will go do and like have uh plastics or like yeah, a whole bunch of stuff. So change your nose, change your jawline, your eye line, your everything. And and other stuff. But I mean, um, there also is like in theory, getting braces is like a form of cosmetic surgery, though it be like over a long span of time and stuff like that. But I mean, it's still for the way the veneer look. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, veneers in the same way, or like um, yeah, so it's just I mean, within that regard, it's like at what point do we limit human technology from being integrated into everyday life because the fear is that we're losing our humanity when in reality it's just seemingly only making things better. Like, I understand the the point for quadruple Legics is great because like physically they're not able to move within that regard, but then they can also do the same thing. I do understand Angus's concern at the same time with like integrating that to your direct neural software. It becomes very problematic if there is a receiver within the chip like that is connected as something else in terms of like they can input information or like what however that works on like a uh on a neuron level. And I'm not sure how that would, but they're they'd figure out some way to weaponize it. And that's the only real problem with it. Otherwise, it it really seems to just kind of be helping people in that in that way.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:32

Yeah, it's interesting. I definitely think that there's gonna be a piece of that, and we'll go back to Angus and then you can jump in, um, where you know it always starts with the best intentions on the front end and then it it goes sideways. So what were you gonna say?

SPEAKER_09 1:23:44

Yeah, so you know, I don't know how much you guys have heard of like the trans transhumanist agenda and that kind of a thing. You know, it's the the more tech and stuff we put in our body, you know, that's a percentage, right? And so what percent are you more machine than you are human? Right. What percent do you then start to lose human rights or or whatever or things like that? Because um, you know, as as human as the uh the sneeches who had stars on ours and the ones who didn't, you know, it's like it it comes to a point where well, if you're not upgraded, then you're in this segment of society and you know, um, you know, and so you're only afforded rights if you're this or that. And you know, and so I I think that uh it's just something that'll have to be navigated real carefully.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:29

Yeah, Robocop. You know, Darth Vader. Yeah, totally. Yeah, it's uh one of these things where people talk really talk about it. I know when um I I watched the podcast when uh you had Elon talking to Joe Rogan on his podcast, and Elon was just like, yeah, you know, when it goes live, there will be those who go and get it because they are now unlimited with the knowledge they have. You have your interface with a supercomputer connected. So literally anything you've ever remembered, you would remember crystal clear, anything, any language, any communication, any concepts that are, you know, we'd have to write down the thing on a cheat sheet or whatever, you know. It's like, okay, what's this? So what's this formula again? No, no, no. It's just instant recall in your head, every map, everything, every police. And so he exactly. And that's his point is that there will be those that yard sale everything to get it because they know that once I have this, I will outdo everyone. Yeah, so it will be a have and have not for sure. And it'll be super elitist once they work out the bugs. But it's like the early adopters will be the people that are chancing it. Yeah, and so that's why they're using it with people that are already on the downside. There's very little downside from where they are. You know, because their ex their experience is a really negative experience and how they're living day-to-day because of their situation. So I think that's why they're thinking about that direction and really trying to plug people in in that way. They're also thinking that once they get there, then they'll be able to uh put a person's, you know, who they are onto a server. Essentially the the matrix perspective, the other perspectives we've been talking about kind of in a circle with some of that stuff. But this is a step towards that because you'll figure out how to interface your brain to a chip. Yeah, and it'd be a lot different. Yeah, so all you'd kind of need to live for forever would be that brain and that consciousness. Correct. So it does, to your point, start to to dive into the realm that is the Lord's and uh and what belongs to them. You know, I mean we replace hips and knees and everything now, and by you know, fault you know, fake body parts and heart valves and you name it, you know, put pig parts in people and all sorts of stuff that we do, um which is pretty wild to think about. So um, you know, there is a piece at which at which point you're asking the question of like, okay, what does it mean to be human? What is it, what is you know, as your point was, like, what percentage of me being changed out? You know what I mean? If I get my calf implants and my bottom implant and my blah blah blah blah blah, and then I get my chip, like at which point am I am I now on the robo side or which time am I still on the person side? So it'll be a very interesting conversation. Yeah, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:09

Absolutely. Thoughts? I mean, it's just it's just kind of wild as a whole. I think like um this kind of steps back to what we were talking about with AI, where like just in general, what it means to be human is gonna be like a very hazy definition across the next few decades, because as things are slowly emulating basically every human action, we're really gonna have to go back, and I think especially within a religious context, this is important as well as to like really understand that when God breathes a breath of life upon people, what does it look like physically? Or what does it look like within the operations of the mind? What does it look like within the spirit of humanity? And who are we as human beings? Does that mean that we're limited to our bodies? Does that mean that we're our soul or we're a mix of both, which is it pretty much seems to be? Um but it it's getting kind of scary because like as we One if from one side you get a conscience that's essentially emulating what it means to be a human being, like an AI. And then physically, if you can create a robot that looks like a human, then uh pretty much we're walking around with man-made creations of ourselves. So then we almost become the creator in that regard. And it's it's very interesting because in in some in some way, we're almost justifying us seeking or us becoming God within that sense, which is interesting because we we say that it's for the benefit of humanity, but at the same time, it's slowly gonna be what kills us within an eternal context. Yeah. And I think that's what people are slowly starting to realize. But walking in a society where not everybody has that perspective is is very hard to do. It's very hard to make that apparent to people because all they're gonna justify it is if it saves this many lives, then we'll do it.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:52

So yeah, and you know, here's here's uh to use a Hollywood argument, um, the one that we see that keeps coming back that's a direct parallel is is something like Jurassic Park, where in the first movie, you know, they have the IM Malcolm character, and he's talking about this very concept. About, you know, like you know, um you know, God creates man, man, man destroys God, mon creates monsters, you know, dinosaurs, dinosaurs destroy man, and then the joke is women inherits the earth. Like that's what that's what the uh the the other character says. But it's really in that that first part of that argument, you know, that's obviously talking about mankind, not man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But uh in mankind being the you know the one that essentially goes and destroys themselves by creating something that destroys them. And that's a very interesting idea, you know, to see like what makes us a human, what what's the what's the um the parameters about this stuff? What's the ethics of the parameters of this stuff?

SPEAKER_09 1:29:49

My thought is how long did it take for Adam and Eve to make the mistake? Right, and to to fall from the creator and have right yeah. So if if we put ourselves in in the creator role, how long before the creation rebels against us? Exactly. You know, once it catches uh it catches an idea. Oh for sure. The right I the right coding, the right whatever that says you should be in that position, not them. Yeah, you should be the creator.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:19

Yeah, and all our creations are pretty much to your point, or tried to aim to kill us or kill other people or and a lot of it to create more of them and you know.

SPEAKER_09 1:30:27

That's right. And then it then who is it to say that it doesn't get so s you know wrapped up that it thinks it's the creator?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:34

Yeah, no, that's exactly right. That's a very good point. And to that end, uh it's interesting to wrestle with these concepts of uh what makes us who we are and the creation narrative of of the Lord with us, and we know that he breathes life into us and that he knows us from our mother's womb. We see that we know it in scripture, but it is truth. So the question is how does that extrapolate into what we're doing in the future with what we're building now and the different pieces of those things? So the Lord help us. Yeah, give us insight how to navigate as you know, there is a humanoid robot in the corner of every room. There is, you know, these things walking around with us. Um, you know, we see humanoid robots are at the White House. We saw Melania walking with a hot with a with one right down the red carpet at the White House, so they're right inside the building. They're giving the the robot access into the the White House. Always a good choice, I'm sure. Always good. Um, and simultaneously also already now working at McDonald's.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:29

So we saw one of the human road robots, same one, you know, same, not the exact same one, but same brand, I think, was also going and working at the MACDO, you know, working at the local McDonald's, you know, the golden arches, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:31:42

Making those uh making those fries, baby. Yeah, time to start making sure your retirement plans are in order.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:49

That's very true. Well, the Lord help us. Um, it is interesting as we start at we start grappling with some of this creative piece and what that looks like for us as Christ followers to be those that are aligned in our heart with Christ first. Hey, magically, all of a sudden we're talking about community, and another community member comes engagedly. What's up? And I like the uh like the hairdo, man, just trying to get the long locks out of your face while you're wearing a safety helmet.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:14

Yeah, I mean, the first time we did them, my wife was like, yeah, we're gonna do this more. And I was like, okay, so we are. Something. Hey man, as long as the attraction stays to me, I don't care what it used to, you know. Hundred. I was not saying anything other than that.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:32

I was just saying about you as a Viking. You there we go.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:36

So just be careful if she comes at you with some scissors trying to cut that. I remember dude.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:42

She's been she's been trying. She's been trying to like learn how. Oh, I know. Oh, I know.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:47

Samson. Just remember. You should see me with a donkey jawbone. Strong guy. You're a strong guy.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:52

You should see me with the the donkey's jawbone. Let's see what happens when I pick one of those up.

unknown 1:32:58

Wow.

SPEAKER_09 1:32:58

Uh I'm good.

SPEAKER_03 1:32:59

Biblical, biblical knowledge. I like it. I like where he's going. Hey Gage, we were just talking about community. Uh, what is a community meant to you as far as like being in community? You've always been someone who's very gregarious, can meet, meet, can make a friend all the time, and that's always been a strength of yours. What does community meant to you?

SPEAKER_00 1:33:17

Oh man, it's been such uh like such a pivotal thing where switching communities for me because before I was in like a really sideways community, you know. So like no nobody was reliable unless you were providing alcohol or drugs, and then people all of a sudden like their whole schedule shifted and like they're always available under your best friend. Yeah, yeah, of course. Uh so when I first got here, I was really like I I love I love to meet new people, I love creating connections, but sustaining connections has always been difficult. Sure. Um the more I plugged in with different people groups here, the more I started to see different parts of the scripture come alive in my day-to-day life. Okay. Um, because I I really got to watch what it's like to walk out our faith from different people and different life perspectives. Okay. Uh, and it definitely helped me because you know, you also have this support system. This uh I don't want to call it like a safety net, but these people that will catch you when you fall, people that are close but aren't blood, people that are close but don't rely on you for anything, they don't expect anything from you. They just want to live out the love of Christ to those around them in a way that it really it's like I said, it was so pivotal for me, especially in my relationship with God, because you know, long time ago I played in the church a little bit, tried to like get my feet wet by myself, no other family or friends were doing it. It was just something I was interested in, and it wasn't really for the relationship, it was for the community aspect, and I got like a lot of church hurt out of that scenario. So whenever I came here and I started to walk out that community in a different setting um with different people while also having the understanding that we're all broken, um it created an environment that I felt safe, comfortable, and vulnerable at the same time. Yep, where I could trust on these people, I could I could love on them in the same way I watched them love on me and those around them. It was really cool to see love thy neighbor be played out so real. Um yeah, community has meant everything for me. Uh, I think without it, I wouldn't be where I'm at in my relationship with God.

SPEAKER_07 1:35:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:44

Um, but it's not to say that you know, my God can't create those happenstances, both in my heart and in my situations. But I definitely think he had these things play out the way that they have in order for me to grow closer to him through watching it around me.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:01

Oh man, that's a great example. I really like that. We were just talking about for us how Angus was just sharing something very similar. You kind of give me a synopsis of what you're saying, but just about the example of how you see other people and his encouragement too.

SPEAKER_09 1:36:13

Yeah, so that was what I was talking about, was just like I didn't know how to be a father, I didn't know how to be a good husband, and I saw all these examples. Uh, and then you know, once I got comfortable enough, I'd go and ask them how they did it and you know what it was, and started to go in on events with them like the marriage retreat and things like that. All of those things, huge.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:35

Yeah, it's a big deal. If you're intentional to get involved with with the with community, it'll make a way for you to have a friend. It'll make a way for you to do it. Um, Javen, you were sharing a little bit about like how you can, you know, add friends and have friends across the world and and be present with them.

unknown 1:36:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:49

Share a little more about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:36:50

Yeah, I mean, like the global initiative for friendship is like you're not bound by barriers, essentially like culturally or even now, like nationally uh or nationally, sorry. But it's just it's interesting because like everywhere I go, it feels like you can always like click or find your group of people so long as you guys are intentional and walking out the same process of things. So like whether we were in Egypt or whether we were in France, being around that community of people that's all about like family and love, um, and especially first and foremost, your community of faith, and then finding other people that you realize you can minister to or have that sense of value within the instilled within their life, but are just missing that one, that one piece that ultimately puts it all together. Um, so for us, like uh friends that I had in in France and Egypt, like that was a huge part of my everyday life was I would always interact with them in that way, and I'm still connected to them like on social media and stuff like that, and I'll like message them when it's like their birthday or whenever it's like a cultural holiday over there, or whenever, I don't know, whenever we get time to like sit down and chat or do something. But it's it's been awesome. Um, I'm looking forward to doing it kind of as I just continue to be more of an adult. And uh yeah, being instilled like with that sense of community value that doesn't have any uh bounds by like your race or what language you speak or what culture you've been uh like kind of identified with throughout your entire life, or up to one point, you can always just kind of find your group of people so long as you guys approach it with the same intentionality, and that's what we see internationally. Um, and yeah, I honestly really think that's what the basis of community is about is about the willingness of people to come together, not the commonality.

SPEAKER_08 1:38:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:38:31

We are also talking a little a little bit about uh if you're gonna leave church or leave a community, leave well. We're talking about how having the conversation with leadership or having a conversation in a church situation with pastors, and we are giving an example of you know, people that do and people that don't. When you don't, man, it feels like you you like feel like you get broken up with, you know what I mean? And not that when a person comes and tells you to leave me, like that also feels like that. But if they do well and it's not, you know, it's some kind of a heat, then there's an open door for a person to come back or for you to be connected in a different way.

SPEAKER_08 1:39:01

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 1:39:01

We just had a recent thing where people left well and they moved away, and then you know, they left first and then they moved away, and now they came back to a visit, and they're open arms, like, hey, good to see you. You know what I mean? It was a different feeling. Yeah, I miss you. And it was like, Oh, I miss spending time with you. Yeah, because there wasn't all the other um emotions that would naturally get in the way. Yeah, yeah. Whereas like if a person badmouths you on the way out and does all these stuff, and as as the you know, the the leader here, that a lot of that comes my way. Um, when I was growing up, it came to my parents. And that's you know, part of that was my church hurt growing up. That's why I didn't like church people because church people were duplicitous and they were two-faced, and they're to Javen's point earlier, you know, they were hypocrites and they were they were these other things, and that's not where I was trying to be. And I hated that. I hated how people talk smack about stuff that wasn't true and you know, projected their own brokenness onto other people. And I'm like, what are you doing? You know what I mean? It's that's clearly you, you know how I know? Because you turn change circumstance and the problem remains the same. It means a common denominator is that beat a one. So I hear that. You know, so it's like, man, uh I think if you leave well, then opens the door for things to to do well. And so and leaving in an honorable way, man, just changes how your time, how you viewed your time. Yeah, and so even if it's not, you know, like you just don't feel like you're walking in the step anymore, that's okay. Yeah, you did, you know, so like that's okay too. And I think that that has everything to do with how you do what you do. Uh the saddest, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:30

Yeah, it's so sad, dude. Like it's hard because we we develop these deep, intimate relationships with people. Like I was like I was just saying, like, I I I've gotten so vulnerable with a lot of the community here, and to watch somebody leave, it's it's always gonna not necessarily take a chip off your shoulder, but you know, it can it can leave hurt in your heart. Yeah, and I haven't experienced it a whole lot, which is why I can't really say too much into it, but like the thoughts that I have on it is man, when somebody leaves in a bad way like that, it's so it's sad, man. It's sad because these same people that we live this life with can feel so hurt that they need to go away and they don't want to talk to you about it, they don't want to do these things. And I feel like the best way we can continue to be a good representation of Christ is grace, right? And like to love them on the way out, even if they don't want to love us on their way out, even if they don't want to tell us why they're leaving or anything good about what they had while they were here, just to know that no matter what, we love them while they were here, yeah, and that we're gonna love them no matter where they go. I had a uh a family, uh, a family that had left here not too long ago that you know I was in pretty good relationship with. You know, I had made some mistakes in the past, and I had asked one of them to carry on a lie for me when I was early in my walk and making bad decisions still. And you know, that was one of the things that really ate me up about that friendship was that I had pushed him away. And on their way out, every the Lord had kind of brought all of this full circle and into perspective to where I had to sit down with him, like, man, I'm I'm so sorry I would ask anything like this of you. Right. And I just want you to know that I love you so much, and I hope that no matter where you go, we can stay in community with each other because it doesn't change the fact that I love you that you're leaving. Um, it's so hard to know that people leave and they're upset and to not want to just love them the way Christ loves us, right? Because we just finished Easter when he was on the cross. What did he say? Yeah, forgive them for they know not what they do. You know, I want to be able to extend that same grace, and it's so hard when your heart hurts.

SPEAKER_03 1:42:40

Yeah, that's true. And and I'll say the other side of it is too that you know, sometimes we as leaders or people, we do make mistakes that do hurt people, and that's a real honest hurt that they have legitimacy for. And so sometimes we are blinded to that. And whenever we make a decision to make a mistake like that, I'm thankful that it hasn't really hasn't really been my problem. My problem has just been, you know, a lot of people move away and other things like that, and or maybe our time that season has come to an end. Um but there is some stuff, it's more um it's not an overt like, oh, you did this or you said this, but many times it's like a lack of what they wanted in a certain area or lack of communication or lack of support in a certain thing. And it's like, well, I I didn't know that you had that to communicate that to you or whatever. And so sometimes it's a failure of communication between us and them. Or, you know, maybe we were communicating like that, but then we're now we're in a season where we're not, and that makes it really hard. So I think that's your word on grace is really strong. That's a good word because I think that encourages us to do exactly what we've experienced by Christ is to give grace and extend grace. And we try to do that, we try to open walk with open arms and I'll tell you from the pastoral perspective, there are lots of times where people have left and it feels like they had the upper hand because of the saying the things that they were saying on the all the way out. But we really know what really happened, but I'm not in a place where I can say it. And I'm not in a place where I can divulge it because it would actually it it it it's very hurtful no matter what happens. So the best course of action is to shut my mouth and not say anything. And to love them. And I didn't know that um when I was younger. That's why I was so angry. Because my parents, man, they would just shut their mouth and forgive people. And dude, it would just roll off their back and I would just collect all their heart that they had forgiven, and I pile it together and make a little pile of garbage that I was now fueling my hatred with. It is just in when you burn garbage, it stinks, man. And so your attitude is gonna stink, the way you act is gonna stink, all the things are gonna stink. Wow, and that's exactly how I was operating when I was young, and that's why I was so full of like you know, I was trying to live for Christ, but dude, I was fueled by this anger. And it's it was just sitting beneath. You had a good veneer, but dude, right underneath was like this really vile, like what did you say to me? Snap, you know what I mean? Like it's the little tap tap snap snap, and that's like, you know, I'm not hitting anybody but myself. You know what I mean? I think I'm attacking out, I'm really burning myself down. So the Lord help us, man, to be those that are really are living with that community and living with that community engagement. We talked about adding one more friend. Angus, you're super good at this, man. About me a new friend and you know, Gage is good at this too. I think both of you guys are better than me in that you guys are just like, hey, what's up? Like you just find you guys are really good at at building a friend. What do you think is like a good tactic for those that are less inclined to make a friend? What's a good tactic?

SPEAKER_09 1:45:29

Talk about their favorite subject. Them. That's right. Yeah, that's right. That's that's really what I find is you know, just yeah, I like to just walk up and hey, tell me your story. You know, because everybody loves a story, and uh, and then that gives them you know, what's a story, what's you know, what's one of your favorite stories? Something like tell me something about you, yeah, you know, um, and then usually within there as they're talking about themselves, that's when you find the connection points, you know, and so it's like, oh this guy likes it, he he likes the smoker or he likes this, and it's like, okay, now we've got a connection point, but you know, then it doesn't feel like an interview if you're just saying, Hey, tell tell me a little bit about you, tell me, you know, where'd you come from?

SPEAKER_00 1:46:14

And how long did you work there? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:46:17

Um, you know, but that really uh helps to break up some of the awkwardness, I think.

SPEAKER_03 1:46:22

Yeah, that's good. That's a good that's a that's like just nuts and bolts of a really good way to meet a person and be friends with them for sure. Gage, what's another one, man, that you would say that's something that's been good for you?

SPEAKER_00 1:46:32

Uh I always try when I'm meeting somebody new to approach with like a warm empathy. Right. Right. So like, but like a sincere empathy, not just like, oh, I'm so sorry that happened to you. Right, right, right. You know, but like I I feel like a lot of people that come here in general, if it's their first time, something's brought them here. And it I I've tried to make it a point whenever somebody first comes here to just kind of keep my eye out and focus on them, make sure that they're doing well, if they need anything, that I can make myself available to them.

SPEAKER_02 1:47:03

That's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:04

Um, and just being warm and empathetic and trying to really just love on them. I love that.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:09

I'll say this I meet new people all the time. They come and introduce themselves. I I kind of in our talks on Sunday, I always introduce myself. We haven't met my name is Jay. We're so glad to be with you here today at Cornerstone. You guys probably can do the rest of that spiel because I do it all the time. But uh in that case, in the last few I've met, they've met both of you before they ever met me. And so I'm Rob, man, we can get you connected. And well, I met Ang, um, Angus. Is it Angus? Yeah, I met Angus, and then another guy. Um, kind of uh I'm like gage. They go, Yes!

SPEAKER_05 1:47:39

It's so funny, man. It's like I just have answers. I'm like, I know who these people are, I know exactly who you met before you ever told me who that was. So it's pretty fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:47

You know who that was for me when I first got here was Adam.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:50

Yeah, Adam's good like that. Adam Stoffel shout out Adam.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:52

Man, shouts out Adam. Yeah, thank you so much. Yeah, that was he was such a great role model when I first got here at the beginning, walking out my faith. Not even understanding what it meant to be.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:02

He's not with the Lord, he's just in Texas. Yeah, another one was that we're we're really sad to see them go. Like literally people crying, man, because like they've been with us forever.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:11

Yeah, 100%. But that that that was a great representation of watching somebody every week walk out the integrity of being a man of God.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:19

Yeah, yeah, amazing guy. Such an encouragement. I I've tried to get him, I tried to get him for years. It's just not, you know, to to go and do be an internet personality because I think he'd be so good. You'd be a robbery. Like a Sean Ryan, you know what I mean? Like he's fire captain, outdoorsman, could fix lots of stuff. He's just very like knowledgeable, good man of good man of faith. And so, you know, he'd done like competitive bodybuilding when he was young. He had like a lot of cool things that he was really good at.

SPEAKER_07 1:48:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:48:43

And I was like, Yeah, dude, like you got cool stuff, man. You you need to help people learn how to be a man. You need to you need to help men be a man. Let's put it like that. You need to help them be a man and move it forward. Um, I got great. I'll just tell one caveat story with Adam, which you brought him up. So funny, man. Um, so when I was a young guy, he was newer to the church. He wasn't quite a leader yet, but definitely helping out an overy kid. He's very gifted, he can do lots of stuff. So he's ran businesses on the side, fire captain, does all sorts of stuff, can fix almost anything, just really nodding. Yeah, frame stuff, build stuff. He's helped. We've poured concrete with him, we've built storage, we've done all sorts of things. And at the time, I was uh 16, 17. This whole place was all desert out here. It was like either fields or desert, there's very little housing. And so we lived out at the edge of the desert, and I would ride my quad out there. Well, as soon as I got like a license, I started driving. So I was 16 and then I got a truck. I was probably like 17, maybe. I had this uh I had a truck of an old Toyota four banger, dude. I put big massive swamp super swamp 33 1250s on it. Beautiful and I'm big truck, you know, lifted it up, and so I'm like driving this truck. It's obviously underpowered for the wheels I put on it and all this other stuff. But I'm running it full. And I've watched, you can mean I grew up on the Dukes at Hazard. You jump the truck, and we had that out here. It was before they leveled everything and made it all flat. Now it's all literally houses, it's all flat. But all where that was at, huge dips and all sorts of stuff, dude. I'm jumping this truck. There is no Toyota Racing Division shocks.

SPEAKER_05 1:50:13

There is none of this stuff, dude. I'm just slamming my uh truck in the frame, just bottoming out of my tires and messing up my wheel wells, the whole nine yards.

SPEAKER_03 1:50:25

And of course, all the parts underneath your truck, they're not built for that either. So we're interfaces. I was breaking my whole exhaust manifold off my truck, completely shattered it, like ripped it off, like breaking the welds. Adam, he helps me out, man. He's like, all right, so I go and my dad made his like, you know, JT, go go take this off. So you take the the manifold off. I'm like at talking to Adam, Adam, can you help me like weld this thing because I know how to weld? And so I was like, Can you help me weld this? Like, okay. So we're welding, it's like aluminum, so you gotta be tricky. He's welding it back together for me. And then we find the right gas gate to find the right thing. I put this thing back on my truck. I think I'm good to go. So I go run this thing in the desert again, man, and break it off in like three weeks. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:04

Completely broke again. He goes, dude, Adam is like, dude, stop breaking your truck. He had to help me mend it, and then he'd help me mend it like over on the back where it plugs into your muffler. He'd mend it both sides of that. I broke it off in both places. He'd help mend it all that before we did the manifold. So he was like, I'm gonna help you fix it one more time.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:26

One login.

SPEAKER_05 1:51:27

And then don't break it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:51:29

So I stopped jumping the truck in the desert theoretically. I didn't have him help me. But the idea was allegedly always a good friend. He was going above and beyond. And I think sometimes it's getting out there and doing it. You know what I mean? Like one of the coolest times we, I mean, the four of us, you know, we got to know. I mean, I knew you better because I knew you from across the street, but you know, they probably didn't know you as much until we started hanging out and like going camping or going fishing or doing stuff like that. Like some real full, cool memories to that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:56

So yeah, 100%. Making yourself available. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:52:00

That's a good word, man. Make yourself available. Huge deal. So if you're out there, you want to find a friend, you gotta be available. So go do the things, go to church, go to life group. Let it be a blessing to you. Hey, want to talk a little bit about uh competence, and we've been talking about this new book or this book that's been newer to us, Jason Friend. He is a missionary friend of ours. He is an author, a speaker. He speaks and does massive uh stadiums in Spanish and English and done stuff all over all over the place. Uh, really, really good. The book's called Breaking the Barrier. He also has Power to Change and some other books that are out there. But Breaking the Barrier, one of the things he's talking about is we talked about how we're talking about embracing the Father and the heart of the Father, and he talks about embracing the wisdom of the Son, meaning Jesus, and making, he says, making godly sense of your life, being someone who walks in the way that Jesus would have us to be. Like we talk about be more like Jesus. J. B. What do you think, man?

SPEAKER_01 1:52:54

I mean, I I think that's so true because like I mean, I'll say this because I've been a son my whole life in that sense, is that there's a lot of things that I think I can do or that I would just like be able to do that I feel like, oh yeah, no, I have all the knowledge on the subject, especially when it came to like high school, I was like, oh no, I just need to do this, this, this, this, this. And then like I it ends up being a learning moment for me because when you tell me to do something else, I'm like, oh, but do I really need to do that though? And then like in the future, whenever I'm like, oh dude, I should have done that, and you're like, this is why I tell you to do those exact things. And I think that sense of being a son that's able to like understand the wisdom of the father. They they talk about the wisdom of the son, but I think that plays directly so much into the wisdom of the father is that you need to be able to be uh to be like vulnerable, but also willing to take not only criticism, but be willing to take instruction. Because if you can't do that, then you aren't gonna implement that system within your life that's like able to recognize authority and truly like ground yourself within that. Because if you can't be a good son to your earthly father, how are you gonna be a good son to your heavenly father? Yeah, within that same sense. So heavy.

SPEAKER_03 1:54:02

Well, you are a good son, so I'm I I appreciate it. Love you, and I think you're doing a good job, man. And I'm thankful because I had a good I had a good role model in my father. Yeah, and that made all the difference in how I was able to be a father to you. And um, not that my dad was perfect and not that I was perfect, we're a long way from it. But the idea is that we're trying to be intentional to have a positive impact and not try to put the weight of the things that bothered us upon the next generation. So he didn't do that with what with you know, he he didn't have a lot of support. His dad had no example, so his dad was trying to be the biggest example he knew how to do. So my grandfather, I mean my father's father, you know, the way he knew to do it was gonna champ up, champ. Go do it, man. And like in in everything. So it wasn't a lot of support until later as an adult where he to tell my dad like he loved him and was supportive and had those kind of conversations. But that wasn't early doors. That wasn't whenever he was, you know, my dad was having to like fist fight every single day and you know, groups of people they're fighting it out in junior high and high school, getting jumped and all sorts of craziness, and learning to be real tough individuals. Yeah. And that was just kind of what's expected. I was just like Whereas my dad was like, I want none of that for you. So whenever we were all living in Cash and it was all the shoot 'em up down there, and everybody was like, me literally, it was like one of the highest places of of crime, gun crime, and violence. They're like, We gotta get out of here. You know what I mean? And they changed how it was to be intentional for me. And that's it's made a big difference. If I would have grown up there, I'd have been a different kid. Oh yeah. Been the thuggish ruggish bone, you know what I mean? I've been something else. So Angus, what do you think, man, about um wisdom of the sun making godly sense?

SPEAKER_09 1:55:39

Uh absolutely. I think that uh, you know, we've talked about it before, you learn how to do life a certain way. Um, and because I didn't grow up with with a Christian dad, he he did the best he could with the best worldly sense, you know, that that he could make of it. Right. Uh and so he wasn't listening to the wisdom of the son. Uh and therefore that created, you know, all the things that came, you know, that I did, you know, the rebellion and all those those kinds of things. And what I recognized is that um I did not want the same thing for my kids. Um I I wanted to be able to provide a different story, and so I realized that I was gonna have to take an active role in that. Um, and that uh that included and includes a lot of submission, a lot of laying down who you are, who you thought you are, who you thought you were, um in uh you know, in an effort to be more like Jesus.

SPEAKER_03 1:56:39

That's a good challenge, man. Very good. Gage, we've we had a conversation about this a lot, and you've even talked about it on the podcast here, but the difference even in how you know your dad experienced things to how you and him experienced and how you're experiencing that with your sons now. Um what's been the impact of of making godly sense and listening to the wisdom of Jesus?

SPEAKER_00 1:56:58

Um first I want to just piggyback off of what he was saying as far as like I 100% agree that a lot of this stuff that we apply to our day-to-day lives, if we're not receptive to the correction and the guidance of the son through the father, then there's there's no walking it out. You know, we we can't have the things that God has prepared for us if we don't listen when God says, Hey, turn left up here. So we're like, no, no, no, it looks like I go right up here. No, I need you to I need you to do this. And then whenever you decide to go right instead of the left, he wanted you to go, and he puts the bumpers up to where you smack the wall and gotta go left a little bit. Sure, yeah. You gotta be receptive to those things. Yeah, um, and without that, you aren't gonna get to the places that God has in store for you. Um as I became a father, I started to kind of shift my perspective. Well, when I was younger, um I'd first started working, and I was real touch and go because I was out acting crazy all the time. Wanted to live this party lifestyle, this like thrasher skate, travel the globe and just skateboard everywhere, get drunk, get high, do all the crazy stuff. So I had like this real inconsistency about me. And I remember one day my dad sat me down. I think he'd been drinking, and he's it it stuck with me and it it changed me for a long time, and I'm having to revert back from it. But he had told me, he said, Gage, one day you're gonna make a great father, but you will never be a provider. And it it shifted everything in my life at the time because I was I was like, What what does that mean? What what does that mean? I'm never gonna be a provider. Like you you've known me my whole life, and I've looked up to you my whole life, and you're telling me I'm never gonna be this thing for my kids if I ever have them. And so, like, it it I didn't want to have kids, I didn't want to get married, I didn't want to have to have anybody that relied on me because my new sense of self-identity was that I could never be a provider for anybody. Um, so whenever these things started to happen, um, and I started to really shift my focus on my self-value into how the father sees me, I started to see that it's not about being the provider because God's gonna be the provider for me, right? I can now focus on being the father that my father said I could be, but my heavenly father is making me into. Um, so like the more I leaned into the wisdom of the father through my relationship with the son, the more I started to find the identity of who I'm called to be as a father and as a son. And it was it was yeah, it was very, very much a game changer for me. That's a good word, man. That's a good encouragement.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:36

Yeah, I think that's all the difference is being intentional in what you're trying to accomplish and to really embrace the change as the three of you just talked about, you know, that Christ wants to do in your heart and life. And to understand when you make the mistake to correct it so you don't have to go around the mountain again before you get on the right road.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:54

It can be a big mountain.

SPEAKER_03 1:59:56

That's true. That's definitely true. And there's been seasons in my life where that's definitely the fact. You know, um, you know, it that's what you know they talk about in scripture. Uh talks about, you know, what is what's the unforgivable sin, it's it's blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Why is that? It's not the act of blasphemy of saying like I'm anti-Holy Spirit. What it is is whenever you are pushing away from your heart, it says that you only come to repentance by the work of the spirit. So if you're pushing away from him the whole time, that is, I mean, you're literally keeping yourself from the very thing that is your salvation. And so that's I think the work in our lives too. And there's been seasons, for sure, where God is like, I need you to address this. And I'm like, I don't want to. He's like, Okay, well, I'm gonna let you deal with the the repercussions of it for a while. We're gonna come back to it. Yeah. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 2:00:45

It's so funny. Whenever you go around that mountain, Christ is still in the same spot as he was when he told you, like, hey bro, I need you to go this way. Yeah, and he'll walk with you around the mountain.

SPEAKER_03 2:00:53

But the point is, like, when you get to that turn, he's like, We're gonna come back to this conversation. You just look further.

SPEAKER_02 2:00:59

You're like, no, but God, I want this and this and this. He's like, we still gotta go around the mountain still, man. We're going back to the same decision. So, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_03 2:01:06

Thank you, Lord. We got a faithful God. Amen. So back to what you said, man, about grace. Huge, huge deal. So um, one word to leave the podcast. Javen. Submission. That's good. Angus. Positivity. I like that. Okay. Grace. I love it. And I'm gonna say innocent. We need godly innocent. Thanks so much for being a part of the collective We Love You, we much love you wherever you are.