Are We in END TIMES? | CRNRSTN Collective - Episode 35

In this episode, the host J, along with co-hosts Angus, Javan, and Gage talk about the crazy incidents of swarms of bees, locusts, crows, and heavy rainfall appearing in the Middle East that appear very similar to depictions of the end times in Revelation. Additionally, the four of them look at the conversation stemming behind Project Blue Beam and its connections with the release of the recent UFO files and Nasa scientist assassinations that have been going on. The group also discuss the growth of the international church with a spiritual movement behind nondenominational and pentecostal churches leading the charge.They also analyze advancements in technology with a robot monk being seen in South Korea, a superior graphene battery being rolled out industrially in China, and the many new uses for AI. Finally, the squad takes a moment to stress the importance of joining serve groups in order to strengthen one's own walk with Christ and help better empower the church as a whole.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

Welcome to the Cornerstone Collective. My name is Jay Brown. I'm your host. Today with me is Gage Lee. What's up? Angus McLeod.

SPEAKER_05 0:06

Hey.

SPEAKER_04 0:06

And Javen Brown. Hello, hello. We're talking about the intersection of Christ and culture, and we do that through these seven C statements. It's commitment, community, communication, competence, creativity, compassion, and celebration. We want to start with the scripture today from Nehemiah 4.

SPEAKER_05 0:20

From that day on, half of my servants worked on construction, and half held the spears, shields, bows, and coats of mail. And the leader stood behind the whole house of Judah, who were building on the wall. Those who carried burdens were loaded in such a way that each labored on the work with one hand and held his weapon with the other. Nehemiah 4, 16 and 17.

SPEAKER_04 0:41

I've been talking about Moxie, talking about Nehemiah and those who did not give up, that they they both fought and had tenacity to stay the course. And so they did both the work and the fighting, and they didn't give up. They did both things. And so we've talked about what that means to stand up for the Lord, to be those that that are in alignment with him and have courage to live for God. Gage, what do you think about that series, Moxie?

SPEAKER_01 1:04

Man, it's been such an encouragement. I think I had said it a couple weeks ago, but after one of the services, man, I was ready to jump up, start crusading, or whatever it meant at the time to stand for the Lord. Stand for the Lord, not take over other countries. Yes. Stand for the Lord, right? In a sense of defense, not in a sense of aggression. There you go. But no, it's been such an encouragement, man. It's it's encouraged me in my workplace, especially to, you know, like not even just not waver, but to be more intentional about vocalizing more consistently my viewpoint on something, right? Especially whenever a lot of the times I'll just like, eh man, I gotta, I gotta walk away from you dummies. But then now, like I'm having the like today, somebody had said something, I was like, actually, it's kind of crazy because the way my life changed is I had to rebuild my foundation on something stronger than the sands of the world because you know I built this life before and it just kept washing away and I had to start over, and it wasn't until I found Christ and I built my life on that foundation whenever is when it became solid, and I was really able to start developing in my life. Um yeah, it's been such an encouragement, man. I love it.

SPEAKER_04 2:10

Very cool.

SPEAKER_01 2:10

We think Angus, Moxie?

SPEAKER_05 2:12

You know, I I've been thinking about it our whole lives, especially in in public school, you know, you grow up where you don't necessarily want to stand out, you don't want to be separate from other people, and uh and so I I think that's why we see such uh such vitriol towards fast food workers and things like that, is because other people are unwilling to stand up and and stand for other people. Um and I think that moving forward as our as our society and everything progresses, it's gonna become more and more crucial for us as Christians to have the moxie to stand up and and and say, no, that's wrong. This is not true, you know, whatever it is, but taking those statements of of faith and turning them into action. And if you know, if you're if you're more inclined to stand in the background and be a wallflower, that's not gonna, that's not gonna work uh as we move forward.

SPEAKER_04 3:01

Yeah, you gotta have courage, you can have tenacity to stay the course and to be after the things of God. Very, very powerful. The examples that we see from scripture and how they speak to us about how we're called to be like Moses and have the moxie to face the unspeakable and to go and face your past, be like you know, Joshua and take the courage to align yourself with God and not just try to do it in your own strength, but in alignment with obedience to Him. You know, we talk about the three Hebrew children, like Shadrach, Meshach, Abinago, and how they did not bow despite what was going to happen, despite it costing them everything, they were willing to go to their death to stand for God. Come on. And if he comes, but if not, they're still gonna stand for God and not gonna bow down. And then we talk about Nehemiah and building and fighting and being the one that goes for the Lord. I think it's powerful. Javen, what is your take on Moxie?

SPEAKER_00 3:44

Uh it's been huge, man. Like, and it definitely has like given me a more real portrayal of what it means to really walk with the Lord, especially in a Western context now, because like thinking about thinking back to Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, and even um some modern-day martyrs over in the eastern part of the world that like are actively being hunted down by these uh alternative groups that are like per persecuting and killing Christians for their belief, especially in like in uh Nigeria or in Middle Eastern countries, is like and to think that we waver in our faith because people are like saying stuff online or like there's unpopular opinion in the media and things like that is like it really just puts into perspective how our daily walk we really don't have much to deal with, and yet still we'll like pull back because we feel like we're being persecuted when other people are literally going to the grave in order to die for their faith that way. So I think it's amazing.

SPEAKER_04 4:36

It's a great it's a great point, man, that we need to have an like an alignment with our faith and understanding about exactly where we are and what it means to be obedient to God and then have that courage in whatever phase and whatever place you are to have that courage to stand up for Him. So praise the Lord. Hey, so put on your temple hats, kids. We're gonna talk about some interesting things as we head into this podcast today. But it starts out with as we're talking about our commitment to God in talking about the end times. Now, within Christian circles, there's lots of opinions about how the end times will unfold. And even with those of us who are closer to each other in our agreement of how we see the end times studies, um, they're not always aligned. And so it's very interesting as we start to talk about some of these things. But we have seen kind of this constant um update as things have been progressing in the Middle East, and some of these things are kind of in past that have also reoccurred. And so some of the things that have been happening in recent times, especially from the escalation of the Palestine-Israel conflict as well as the American uh Israel um uh Iran conflict, that there have been bees, swarms of bees in Israel not allowing planes and and uh and drones to take off. We've seen locusts come across the Middle East, we've seen them in Egypt and other places. I mean, swarms of massive locusts eating up fields, all sorts of stuff that's been going on, pouring rain happening in Iran, uh, crows that have descended on places. It's pretty wild. What do you think, Gage?

SPEAKER_01 5:57

I think there's so much to it. Um, I've I've had to be kind of weary as not to depart from the calling on my life to focus so much on the things that are happening outside of my control. Right. And none of it means anything if we aren't focused on Christ. Yeah, it's good. So, I mean, saying that off-rip, my mind goes so many places with all of this. Sure. And, you know, one thing I'll just touch on this, uh, just because I thought it was an interesting concept. You know, we have this capacity to be able to, in some way, shape, or form, manipulate the weather in the same way that we have um cloud seeding. Sure, right? We can start, we can create rainfall and keep it from happening. Which is the concept that kind of makes me wonder in this part of Iran where they had this, like, what was it, like a seven-day-long record-setting rainfall?

SPEAKER_04 6:46

Yeah, they said that right after a rocket attack at a thing that's happening in the UAE, so they've rocketed someplace. I think it was an Abu Dhabi. Maybe I might be wrong on that. But they had some kind of thing that they hit military installation, and as soon as they knocked that down, suddenly all this rain starts to happen. It was very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean. Ta-da! It's almost like for a quick second, like the veil was pulled back, and you could see the Oz standing in the back moving some switches. That's true.

SPEAKER_04 7:14

Um, let's say, let's say it was people that were keeping those things from happening for through however they were doing that, through some kind of sonic thing or a laser or whatever they were doing. Sure. So controlling the weather. Obviously, that's always been the long, the long-standing joke, right? Is that the XYZ group controls the weather, et cetera, et cetera. But let's say go away from that and just talk about the bees, the locusts, the crows. What do you guys think about that, Jay?

SPEAKER_00 7:36

Why don't you just I mean we lived in Egypt and that's like where the plagues happened over there? Yeah, exactly. So I mean, it's definitely not out of the realm of possibility that this is all like precursor markers to the end times that are inevitably coming, especially with like all this stuff surrounding a one-world religion and all these political leaders like trying to bring um Abrahamic religions together and get them to agree, like to unite in a commonplace and essentially just like soften everybody's beliefs to be like, oh yeah, no, we value family, we value like um the importance of marriage and the importance of like family institution and also like loyalty to your country.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

It's yeah, so we actually serve the same God, just different.

SPEAKER_04 8:13

Yeah, exactly. So except as Christ Father's, we don't believe any of that. So just want to clarify that real quick and in a hurry. Um, you know, keep your ten foil's hats on. We're talking a little bit about this as it continues to the end times theme, which is Project Bluebeam, which is kind of something that's been always in those spheres that there's this larger plan to try to debunk uh the the creation narrative, essentially what Javen was just explaining, uh, and make a fake a fake revelation of God in the sky, either with lasers, with drones, with something, some kind of a epiphany projection, whatever you want to say, that would show this entity that would look like it's coming as it from an aliens or it's looking that's coming from another dimension. Interesting ideas. Angus, what do you think?

SPEAKER_05 8:53

I think that as the weeks progress, we're just seeing more dots connect. You know, I I think of the connected dots back in in uh elementary school, and it's like you have no idea what it starts off as, but then as you start connecting these things, and I I you know I really see a lot of it as connected um or how it can be connected, you know, whether these things were whether these projects were started with that as the end uh end in mind or not. Um, but I think that a lot of these technologies and all that stuff, especially like we were talking about previously with the the um uh the aliens and all that stuff, I think it's all gonna play together. Um, and I think that with with these bees and and locusts and stuff, I think it's kind of God saying, Hey, just so you know, there are consequences for your actions.

SPEAKER_03 9:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 9:37

Um, and so um, you know, and kind of on that, I'm I'm waiting to see what happens in the summer when uh when Israel opens up that uh the the largest gay um city and and all of that, you know, because who knows, we may see something even more biblical than bees and crows showing up, and we we may see another Sodom and Gomorrah happen, you know.

SPEAKER_04 9:58

All sorts of things happen. They've also said there's been a lot of in alignment with this, and kind of you know, still tinfull hat for sure, was talking about the anti-gravity thing that we talked about earlier. Remember in the year, we talked about that a few weeks back and or months back about oh, there's gonna be this time in the summer where there's no gravity for eight minutes or whatever. And I'm like, dude, who's coming up with these narratives? Like this is so wild. Yeah, you know, like, oh, you have to be prepared and chain yourself to the floor, whatever, whatever you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_05 10:24

So I I think some of it's misdirection, but I also think that there, you know, there's there's a very real enemy that's using uh very real technology and things like that. Um, and uh because the enemy doesn't understand revelation, you know, and the the people who are furthering these agendas and stuff, they may not know that they are playing exactly into the book. You know, and um and so I think that some of these people they're just excited about this new breakthrough in this technology and that technology, but they because they don't have the context, they don't know that they're just one more dot that's gonna be connected to these other things.

SPEAKER_04 11:01

That's a good point. You know, Gage, um, we talked about like kind of your testimony recently and even about like how God's been working in and through your family. You've been recently connected with some of your friend group, which is kind of from your old life and skate community, the the motorcycle community, other things like that. How do you think that like those people in your community, how do you feel like they would take it if they suddenly saw a massive Jesus appear in the sky and says a bunch of information to them?

SPEAKER_01 11:24

I can't believe he was right. Okay. Um, you know, it's I don't know. I don't know. I it's so hard because like in in that scenario, I try to think back to how I would have seen it. Exactly. Yeah, I mean, really, it would just be like oh no.

SPEAKER_04 11:42

Okay. I see your dad is a kind of pretty good place marker of those kind of communities too. Sure. And I would see him as super skeptical. Even seeing it with his own eyes, I think he'd be like, nah. I don't know. I don't just get that. What do you think?

SPEAKER_01 11:54

I don't know, man. Cause like you you you gotta think people like that will look at multiple different avenues of information and then create this bigger picture outside of um the like the base of like an idea. Okay, right, like a concept, and they'll like now construct a potential reality around outside of that.

SPEAKER_04 12:15

Yeah, sure.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

You know, I mean, like in the same way that like if my dad saw a UFO come down in front of the house, do a donut in the front yard and then peel back out into space, he'd be that that's it. That's it. Okay, interesting. So I think it might be the same way to where if he saw, like it if the coming of Christ happens in our lifetime, in my dad's lifetime, and he sees that, yeah, he sees him coming from the east, and he sees this the clouds parting and the trumpets sounding, I think that would be like, oh no.

SPEAKER_04 12:46

Well, I I think that that's true in the spiritual realm. I think that that's gonna happen for every single person. And I feel like whenever Christ comes, it's gonna be a a very much a reality. So I'm talking about in the blue beam idea is that they're gonna fake this. Uh they're gonna fake Christ, they're gonna fake Krishna, they're gonna fake you plug in the place and the location, Buddha, whoever, they're supposed to appear in the sky or appear as a revelation to people.

SPEAKER_01 13:09

I think that's exactly what it is, though. People who live of the world and they see this, they're gonna go, oh no. And they're gonna appear. I was wrong. Oh no, this is this is something that we need to like. That's the whole thing, that's how they get us every single time. Pandemic. Yeah, right? Yeah, market crash, all these different things. It's like they put this big elephant in the room and they're like, Yeah, uh address it. Address it. We gotta make some drastic changes.

SPEAKER_04 13:30

Yeah, I mean, even the new virus that they're talking about, that's monavirus, yeah. Yeah, and and you know, it's interesting because I don't know if I gotta go back and look at the video, but that I saw like this clip of the X-Files, which is a super old show. It happened whenever we were teenagers, which is before you guys existed as people, and so you know, I'm thinking about that, and then I'm like, but is that a real video, or is that an AI video that they're now filling in with this virus? Because they referenced that virus, and it's like, oh, it's it's they released it and it does these things.

SPEAKER_00 13:58

Oh, by name?

SPEAKER_04 13:59

Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, which is why it makes me think like this is not a real video, but it looks so legit. So it's hard to say, you know, as you go into the source because it's like all these things, it's like, oh, it's planned, all these things are planned, and that's very much tinfoil hat because a lot of things we know they're just bad stuff that happens to people, and we just gotta grapple and walk through those things in that season. So it's not that everything is planned that's evil, but from this perspective, a lot of these things keep coming up again and again and again as being um kind of a concerted effort by the powers that be to kind of control people and their narrative. So heaven help us. And you know, I hope that this thing doesn't happen in that way, yeah, but that we have a true understanding of what the Lord is trying to direct us to do and trying to love each other as ourselves.

SPEAKER_05 14:42

Well, and it talks about in the Bible that there's going to be a great deception and that even believers will will fall away and stuff, and so that's why it's it's important that we beforehand have our lamps filled with oil, yeah. You know, that we're ready and that we're looking in the right direction, that we're focused on the right things, because it, you know, kind of like we talked about before, if you don't know, if you haven't predetermined uh what your battle plan is gonna be, you're gonna be in the middle of this battle and you have no concept of as to what to do. Yeah, and so, but I mean, God tells us that there will be a great deception, that there will, and so again, whether this is what the form it takes or not, we know that it's on the horizon at some point. And so being that the signs are starting to align to look more more likely than less likely, you know, we as believers need to be aware. We need to keep our eyes on the horizon, we need to uh be ready, we need to keep our lamps filled with oil so that when this happens, and because people are gonna question. And so they will either run to that deception or they'll run from the deception, and we need to be ready to receive those people who are running from the deception because it in in absence of of an understanding, you'll fill that void with some with whatever's there. And uh, we know as a people that right now, the the the amount of videos that are made by AI that people send you as truth.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 16:02

I mean, and this isn't even a concerted effort, it's just like it's something that you really have to look at it. But um but we know because the Lord said it that there is gonna be a deception, and because of that, we need to be we need to be ready, we need to be aware, we need to be watching, uh, and we need to have watchers on the wall who are looking at what's coming.

SPEAKER_04 16:22

And those parallels that Angus is talking about is is Jesus talking about his example of the ten of the virgin virgins that are ready for the bridegroom to come and for them to be prepared. It says that they're waiting for him, even into the late hours that they would have the oil or the anointing, the belief to continue and wait for the bridegroom, despite there were some that weren't ready and they there they didn't have the oil, so they weren't able to go in with the bridegroom. And that's his ex his point is to be those that are living for Christ and to be aligned with that. So praise the Lord. One of the things that we've also seen is that uh in a commitment to Christ, people are rolling out what they've called uh a Christian phone network or Christian uh television or I mean, sorry, a Christian uh mobile phone network, they're calling it Radiant Mobile. It's built on the back of T-Mobile's platform, and they say that it will ban all pornography, all sensitive content. Uh and this is coming from Think Media. What do you guys think about that, Javen? You think people adopt that?

SPEAKER_00 17:14

I mean, even if they try to, it's it probably wouldn't end up being successful because if you can say like we're gonna block everything, if there's a big um united like effort to hack or to like push a bunch of information onto something, then you're only as good as how much infrastructure you have set up. And unless they have like millions of people buy into this thing, then it's not gonna do very well. And I also think anytime they really try to set up something that's like specifically for Christians, there always ends up being like some relapse of like a deep line underlying issue that ends up like surfacing itself way later. Same thing for like Christian colleges, like even though they like steer away from the idea of like having premarital sex or things like that, like then all this um other legal stuff comes into it later, like some of the stuff that happened with Liberty University and like all these like underlying rape cases and things like that. It just yeah, it's it's no good. So any like I respect the intentionality behind it, right? But and there's also the thing with geotracking where it's like now you have all these people that label themselves as Christians. If somebody pays for that data or gets that data, they can do whatever they want with it.

SPEAKER_04 18:17

So yeah, I think they might have missed it as far as a marketing place to not just call it moral mobile and like market it to anybody who's trying to be moral, then just like to one to one uh swath of people. But I guess we think, man, a Christian uh mobile mobile carrier.

SPEAKER_05 18:30

I like the idea of it. Um I think it really comes down to service, you know, like are you gonna be able to make phone calls everywhere? Uh because I know when when I had T-Mobile, I couldn't go into the local fries because the it would just drop out. And so, like, if you weren't on the phone walking in, you couldn't text out or you couldn't tell. Yeah, just out here. Um and and their solution was well, you can you know, you can make your home a mobile spot, you know, to increase your signal and all of that. But um I I think it's a great idea. Um, I would love to see it be successful because I mean there there are a lot of ways around the technology and things. Uh even within uh the parental restrictions in Apple, you know, there are secret browsers within apps. Uh and so uh I just saw this thing recently where there are kids who are accessing pornography via the Bible app because even though they have the content restrictions uh enabled via Apple, there are still secret browsers that are within apps that if you know how to access those, you can still search the internet as if there are none of them.

SPEAKER_04 19:37

And using the search tool within an app that's used for use meant for good.

SPEAKER_05 19:41

Because it's almost like you're using the app as a VPN to bypass those security funnels. Yeah. And so, you know, to Javen's point, it's it's great in in its idea, but it's only as good as it's as its loopholes. Yeah, it's a good idea. And and so um I I hope that it works. And for a lot of people, it would you know, who aren't necessarily that tech savvy and things, I think it's a great idea because there's a huge problem with pornography and all of that. And if that's just one uh layer that you can put between you and uh and the enemy and and protecting yourself, I I'm all for that.

SPEAKER_03 20:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:14

Um again, I I think that maybe the marketing uh could have been done differently and better, but um I think that it's it's a great jumping off point. And I I really hope that it goes somewhere. It'd be something that I'd be willing to do for my family. Yeah, because the price point seems to be right. It I think it was like in the $30 range a month.

SPEAKER_04 20:31

More like a mint mobile kind of a thing.

SPEAKER_05 20:32

Yeah, so I don't think it was a a huge um uh bill and all of that stuff. So that alone, you know, I'd be willing to go with it. But um, you know, there's a lot of other uh smaller carriers that you know they they support different things like Patriot Mobile and all those. Um and I I have no idea what the service is is like. And that's for me, that's if I'm gonna be paying for service, I want to know that I'm gonna have my my cell phone coverage everywhere. Right. The other part of it, that's just that's a that's a benefit, you know, it's a side thing.

SPEAKER_04 21:03

Yeah, and it's interesting in alignment on stuff. I mean, we've used for years. I know we do we had it on all sorts of browsers and phone and stuff back in the day, like Covenant Eyes, which I don't know if you guys ever use that as a tool. Very good, where you it sends a report of all your browser search to your to your uh covenant partner, and so you allow that to happen. So essentially it's just g it's taking anything that's that's ran through internet on your phone and it sends it to your person so they can see and it'll automatically give them a report and email them once a week or whatever however often you want them to email. And then as you meet together with your partner um your with your accountability partner, that's something that you could use as a tool to be like, hey, you know, whether or not and it's there's a piece of it that's um you know, there like if it there's a door that's locked, it just prevents you from uh accessing it easily. Doesn't mean it it it prevents you from accessing it. Right. So people can do a workaround, they can do stuff like this, they can do other things, but they know that they're doing a workaround. So it's not like they accidentally fell into it. Whereas like your browser can suggest things that otherwise It would be an enticement to you naturally. So that's what some of the Covenant Eyes helps to block. And then it has blockers that are connected to some of those, like you know, uh Triple X Church and others had tools like that that you could put on your on your um stuff. Interesting to hear people like Theel Vaughn, who's like a comedian who's a you know a secular comedian, he'll talk about using stuff like that to block porn on his own phone, which he's just talking about with his own comedy colleagues about trying to not watch porn. And you're like, man, wow, like you know, he's being very forthright about his own struggle. And you know, his other comedian friends are like, who cares? Like it doesn't matter at all. Like, but he's like, No, I'm trying not to do this because I'm not trying to do these other things. Very insightful, you know what I mean, to kind of pick that apart and see what that looks like. So I thought it'd be interesting as far as uh a Christian phone carry and whether or not that'd be something that people be worth looking into. Yeah. One of the things we've seen recently and talking about commitment is people uh writing scripture and doing that, especially in their homes. You know, we're talking about Gage and uh Tino and other people buying houses recently, and that's pretty cool in our community of faith how people have been able to step up and do those things, pretty powerful. Uh what they're doing is they're using uh what they call like writing uh Christian scriptures in in hidden ink. What they're taking is they're white walls and they're just writing in Clorox pen or something like that that shows up under black light, and they're writing scripture. So when you walk down the hallway, it just looks like a normal wall. But then you turn the black lights on and it's like the whole thing is written in uh in scripture. It reminded me of um Gone in 60 Seconds. I don't know if you guys ever saw that film, that old film. Angelina Jolie, uh Nick Cage, they steal all these cars on one night. It's like 50 cars, 60 cars, whatever the number is, they have to steal in one night, and they have it on their walls written with black lights, so you can't see it unless the lights are on. And so that's a their way that they kind of get away from it is they dump Clorox on the walls and kind of washes away the with the bleach, it bleaches out the other bleach, so that they kind of remove their list of proving that they did it. But uh it reminded me of this, like having those those uh those scriptures, pretty cool.

SPEAKER_01 23:52

Yeah, I love I love that concept. Um, I actually love it enough that I think I'm gonna implement it in my home. Cool. You know, I have uh I have a hallway that has um my kids' rooms stretched out along this hallway, and I think it'd be a great area to just write things that speak life over my kids and over their future, um, and just have it be a place of intentionality that you know anybody, whether it be my wife or the boys, they walk down that hallway. Although it may not always be there, it's a gentle reminder every once in a while that like you know, these things are always being spoken over me, always being prayed over me whenever I walk through this hallway, whenever I walk in this area of the home. And this is the heart of my parents for me.

SPEAKER_04 24:37

Yeah, if you had a night light that was like a black light or something versus your normal lighting, see your normal lighting's on, it just looks like a normal hallway. And then when the black light goes on, it's like, oh dude, I can see all the scriptures that are written there.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

Yeah, I got multiple lights down the hallway, so I think I'd do two black and then one regular, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 24:50

Yeah, switch it up for sure. It'd be sick. Jamie, what do you think, man? Scriptures written in uh hidden ink?

SPEAKER_00 24:55

I think that's a sick idea for like a youth room. I think people would like run crazy with it. Um but it also reminds me of what we have here at the church about how people were, yeah, how people literally wrote scriptures before we put up any of like the drywall or anything like that. Yep. Or maybe it was on the drywall before we put up all the stucco and things like that. But um, it's just awesome, man. Have that constant sense of uh like a a reassurance that scripture is always around you and that there really is like kind of like we were talking about uh in the last podcast, um, how there's almost like a blanket that's covering you in prayer and scripture is like pretty powerful. And even if you can't see it, like just knowing within the back of your mind that it's there is like a great reminder as to like the protection that's always around you. And yeah, I just I just think I think it's an awesome thing.

SPEAKER_04 25:38

So I think it's awesome. Uh Angus, you've heard the story about how this place was built and the scriptures on the walls.

SPEAKER_05 25:43

Yeah, uh, I think it's incredibly powerful because it is uh God's word is more powerful than the other things uh in this world. And you know, there are lots of stories uh and that I know of people personally, but also that you know are out there online where they've purchased a house that was previously owned and the the previous owners were into witchcraft or this or that. And so they've they've left things, and uh, and because there is power in this in this stuff, um it's you know, they'll experience sicknesses or problems, and you know, because the enemy has been given permission on that property by the previous owner, and you know, just because you're ignorant of what has been promised to the enemy over your house doesn't, you know, you have to cancel that.

SPEAKER_04 26:30

Amen.

SPEAKER_05 26:31

Because I mean Satan's not gonna go, hey, by the way, or your your real estate agent isn't gonna say, hey, just so you know, there's there's an evil talisman in there that it's gonna cause you all this stuff, but you have to officially renounce it. You know, it's and these people with those stories, it's because they have found something or they've had people come in and pray, and uh, these people who are gifted with discernment will find, you know, and and the Lord will lead them to that. They can pray and and break those curses and things like that. But I mean, we see it throughout the Bible. Curses are real, yeah. Um, and uh and the answer to the curses is scripture. And so I I think that there's a lot of power in that. And so um I think that it's kind of like uh an iron dome, you know, spiritually. Um, and when uh the first time I had seen the the pictures and stuff during one of our anniversaries, where it shows all of these people who uh who were no longer as part of the church by the time I'm here, right, uh to know that they put scriptures on these walls and it shows an intentionality, it shows that you know there's something to this. And so I really appreciate that. I I think that it's so cool that the people who came before me cared enough for me to to speak that stuff over me. And so I I may never meet them on this side of heaven, but I know that they have spoken things over me, and I think that that's incredible. And I think also if as you dedicate your house to the Lord and you put these things on, you know, the the next owner, they may just cover that up with another coat of paint. And so those scriptures are still there.

SPEAKER_04 28:00

Yeah, yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 28:01

So I think it's very powerful.

SPEAKER_04 28:03

Yeah, powerful to think about the power of the word of God and talk to you, like as you said, about that protection as Javon was talking about those prayers that makes that protection dome from any kind of attack of the enemy. You know, we've walked uh houses that we've lived in or owned or whatever, and just anointed it and and prayed over every room and walked from the back to the front and opened the door and just prayed of anything that's not of the Lord to leave. And we've done that over many people's homes, over businesses, and we played the blessing of God upon it. Just that there be anything that would be in a misalignment with him, it'd be gone in the name of Jesus Christ. And so we very much believe in that power. Um, one interesting thing that we saw is a testimony that's connected here to this very thing, which is the podcaster Sean Ryan. Now, Sean has one of the largest podcasts right now uh that's going out of the States. Uh he's in the top ten on uh on all the on the metrics, so between Spotify and Apple and the other places. So he's a top ten uh podcaster, he's a former um Navy SEAL uh CIA operator, has a lot of interesting conversations with people in that space, but also lots of other people he came to faith, and we talked about his narrative of came coming to faith. But he went to someone's home that they had done the same thing. They wrote scriptures on the walls before they had done their on the on the concrete or or on the beams before they covered it up, and they they wrote these scriptures. And then he was actually creating a new um space, like a a like a new place for them to record everything. So he was making a studio and doing it from the foundation up. So he put Bibles in all four corners of his Bibles in the foundation of his new studio as a way to say, no, we believe in the word of God and its truth. And not just that, but then they also wrote in the beams as they before they put the before they put the drywall on, they put a bunch of scriptures on the walls as well. Pretty crazy coming from a guy like Sean. What do you think about that gauge?

SPEAKER_01 29:44

I love it, dude. I've parts of me are like, I'm so grateful and so blessed to have the opportunity to be in the home that I'm in. Sure. I wish, man, I wish that I was able to like do these things on the building of the home. And who knows, you know, maybe sometime down the road I'll have that opportunity. But I think it's such an amazing concept, right? And and it goes back to talk about how I've talked about a few times of just building your house, building your life on this foundation that is the word of God and that is a faith and relationship with Christ. Amen. And I think it's so uh well, I don't know what kind of like literal effect it has, but even just the intentionality behind it of saying, like, this is what I'm building my life on. Everything that happens, whether it be financially business related, whether it be, you know, the the way I bring my children up, the way I I carry myself in my home, any of these things, but having that intentionality from the start to lay the foundation of everything that you do on the words of scripture, I think is so amazing.

SPEAKER_04 30:42

Yeah, that is pretty powerful him to use that and to say, you know, as for us, this is the foundation of what we're building these things on. And obviously it's a physical manifestation of a decision you're making spiritually, but I think it's pretty powerful about that. Java, what do you think about that? You've listened to Sean a little bit, some highlights from him.

SPEAKER_00 30:57

Yeah, a little bit. I mean, it's always encouraging when you have a man like that that's really um that's traditionally been more masculine and like stepped up really into that role, and like the fact that he just so naturally is assertive in his personality and is willing to do things like that that other people might dismiss as like, oh, you're just being like um oh, I just forgot the word. Like he's just doing it for optics or something. Um forgot the word. Uh yeah, I don't I don't remember, but where he's just doing it like for for the sake of oh, where he's doing it for like superstition or something like that. Sorry, that's what I was thinking of. Um but no, he like really does understand the power that is within the word and within scripture and the intentionality of placing it and placing your hand upon a place, but also the physical presence of God resting within an area so powerful. And to see somebody that's new within their walk of faith be so adamant about something like that is a great encouragement to a lot of other people that otherwise, especially within a Western context, would be extremely hesitant, as is some of those things that we see reaffirmed through scripture. Um, where like nowadays it's just all about the spirituality of things that's pushed, but there really is like a very distinct connection between the spiritual and the physical that's been embedded since the beginning of creation that the Lord has always had for us.

SPEAKER_04 32:10

Yeah, amen. I think it's really powerful. And shout out to Sean for taking a stand and being able to do that. Pretty powerful. One of the things that we've been talking about in commitment is talking about like our commitment to God and not being caught up by fear. But one of the things that we have seen, and put on your tinfull hats, kids, is that there are missing scientists connected to NASA, and this is becoming a stack of them. It started out with like three or four. Angus, what do you think, man? Now it's I think it's in the 10 range, somewhere like that. 12? I think it's 12. So probably 14 by the time this podcast comes out. It's probably it's crazy, man. What do you think, bud?

SPEAKER_05 32:43

It's wild. I you know, I don't completely trust NASA to be, I mean, the moon landing the initial thing. There's but there's a lot of weird stuff that that's going on. There's a lot of connections and um they're just into some weird things. Um, and so I I there's a lot of mysterious deaths and disappearances and things like that. Um I don't know what it all points to or what the reason is, if it's you know just more distraction or if it's sense sense if it's being sensationalized. Sure. Um but uh it's it's very weird. And I'm just I don't know where that dot fits in.

SPEAKER_04 33:20

Yeah, exactly. Uh Gage, you were talking obviously you know you was going from 10 to 12 to whatever the sliding deck is happening on these guys. Um it's weird that you know these guys who are like highly trained, high-level officers in the military go for a walk mysteriously and then they can't be found.

SPEAKER_01 33:34

Yeah, and all they take is their gun. So weird. It's it's strange, honestly. I mean, so one would say it's almost like a conspiracy. Something to look into. Yeah, yeah. Maybe, right? I mean, I don't know. Um piggybacking off of what Angus had said, yeah. I really don't trust NASA as a whole. I think there's been a lot of different instances where, like, if you if you look close, you could it if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, looks like a duck, then chances are it's probably NASA.

SPEAKER_04 34:05

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01 34:06

It's not really the moon landing, it's not really Mars, you know what I'm saying? No, it's gonna be our our t-shirt.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

If it walks like a duck, walks like a duck, and it's NASA.

SPEAKER_01 34:16

I love this. Honestly. Um yeah, I don't know, dude. I really don't trust them. I think that there's a lot of shady stuff going on. But what one of the big things to look into is what were those scientists plugged into? What kind of clearances did they have? What access, uh, what did that clearance give them access to that in the future is going to be so relevant that they couldn't pre-warn people about it. Um another thing that I've seen recently is there's a couple different, I'm sure it's a handful, but like what I've seen is a couple different people that'll backtrack the money, right? Because this is as a lot of us know, money is not the root of all, but a vast majority of the evil within the world. And so what they've done is they'll go from these you know dramatic events in a timeline and they'll backtrack the money and where it was exchanged in various um uh like organizations accounts, yeah. Yeah, like it goes against the grain, it's not the average transition of money throughout the time period, but rather a big fluctuation of like, well, all this money was transferred from these organizations that had something to do with this into this area that for some reason profited immensely. And then all these people are gone. Yeah, and so I wonder, you know, I when somebody does this, because this is gonna happen, right? When somebody does this, the money's gonna be moved around. And I'm just interested to see where it goes and like who's who's profiting from this in some way, shape, or form. Now, the big question, right, is it money or is it power, or is it um not popularity, but some form of uh authority, right? And or um what's another word I'm looking for? Like uh um it's like an ingenuity that they have control over, some kind of a technology. Yeah, a way, a way to uh uh to move the grain, right? You know, to to redirect the masses, if you will. Something like a blue beam, right? Like we were just talking about.

SPEAKER_04 36:11

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 36:14

Yeah, to set everything up in that alignment. Uh Jamie, what do you think, man? What's your take on it? Uh, cause of national concern, they said.

SPEAKER_00 36:21

Oh, I mean, it always is, but we've known this for decades, right? Like always. It's not just NASA people, it's like anybody that's ever been connected to the Kennedys and has some understanding of something that's operating in a higher power has been taken out. Like even a White House cook was taken out because they knew something where they like cleaning it. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 36:39

Oh, dude, they went on a long walk.

SPEAKER_00 36:41

Yeah, sorry about that.

SPEAKER_04 36:42

All of them fell into a river in the same river. That's right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 36:46

Suicide by shooting themselves in the back twice.

SPEAKER_04 36:49

Yeah, he fell down an open elevator shaft onto a pile of bullets. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00 36:54

With somebody that has like a suicide attempt, but there's two bullet holes in their body or something like that. Yeah, I mean it's crazy. It's like at some point you start to really question what's being hidden from the public within that regard. If it's NASA people specifically, and there's such a big number of them going missing right now, then you have to think with what just happened and the fact that there was like a uh the fact that Artemis like just went up and came back, and then you have like um people that are talking about like UAPs that might have appeared and things like that, or it being a green screen, like in general, it really does beckon the question, like if they're all coming back trying to tell a story, but then they're all being silenced for saying that. Uh at what point is the vast majority of our understanding of something that almost no human will ever really be able to experience in going to space or understanding like really what lies beyond um the firmament. Yeah, the firmament, yeah. Oh my god. Sure, shifting gears, all sorts of stuff. Keep your tinfold hats on here.

SPEAKER_04 37:52

But I will say this, it is interesting, and uh shout out to all those that do work in in space and then to technology and in jet propulsion. I think it's really amazing. Um, but um, we need to protect Mark Robert at all costs because he worked for NASA and he's a good YouTuber and he makes science content, so we don't want him getting stolen or I mean not stolen, I mean we don't want Mark walking alone into the wilderness and then being lost forever. So shout out. Shout out to all these guys. No, but seriously, it is interesting for us to think about because they're like, where are these people? How come people aren't finding them? Aren't they not looking for them? This is a national security issue.

SPEAKER_05 38:29

But we can find somebody based on their heartbeat in the mountains somewhere. Correct. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 38:34

That's my point, is that it's like we know we have the technology to find these people. Why are they not trying to find these people? Because they're underneath the Denver airport.

SPEAKER_02 38:44

Just like joking. Um flying with some really thick tinfoil hats. These hats are crazy. I'm gonna tape them off.

SPEAKER_05 38:51

You know, Alice trugged by you know, all the important people. Yep, it started to disappear, all the smart people.

SPEAKER_04 38:57

Interesting, interesting. I will say, uh, man, they've leaned so heavy into that at Denver Airport. I don't know if you guys have seen this. They even have it like in different uh magazines and stuff. I saw where they're like, they have pictures of lizard people like on their stuff. It's like it's under construction, we're building a home for lizard people or the future of Denver Airport, whichever one you decide.

SPEAKER_02 39:16

You're like, dude, what?

SPEAKER_04 39:17

You know, they're like, Yes, this horse is named Lucifer. That is the signal for our thing. It's like all these other things. It's like find out more at whatever the airport is. Like, dude, this these people are crazy. They're marketing people are like, that let's just go with it. Yeah. Like, well, I try to fight it. Let's just go with it.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

No bad bad publicity is still publicity. Oh, dude. The Lord help us. Yeah. The Lord help us.

SPEAKER_04 39:40

Very true. Come on. All right, shifting gears a little bit. You can take off your tinfold hat at home. Uh, we are talking about the church and the growth of the church in the U.S., and they're saying that this reported by um Relevant Magazine that there are two types of churches that are growing in the U.S. They are the non-denominational church, which essentially makes up, I think, somewhere between the teens and and tw or low 20% of people participating in where they go to church, and then the Pentecostal church. Those are the churches that are growing, which we would be a part of those. Uh, and connected to that, kind of almost in the non-denom as well. We're part of a fellowship that is a relationship of churches together. But like our our organizational leader, like our superintendent in our case, which is over all of Arizona, he couldn't come in until like us what to preach. So if Angus was preaching this weekend, we're in alignment with them. We haven't broken any of the agreed upon um agreements. So we could preach whatever we want on the weekend, we could do whatever we want, versus uh more of a top-down Anglican model, Catholic model, other things where you know very much on the weekend what they're preaching. There's a book that tells them what to do, etc. etc. So it's a way different model. So interesting that it's non-denominational and Pentecostal growing. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_05 40:46

Uh I think uh you know, I think it's really cool because we're a part of that. Uh but I think that a lot of it has to do with people are just tired of religion. You know, they're tired of um the this institutional uh religion because you know that's what's given Christians such a bad name, is you know, the crusades and all of these other things. And uh the church as a whole, you know, uh perpetrated these things, and I think people are just sick of it. I know my my grandfather, that was his problem with God. It wasn't God, it was religion. And uh, you know, in in in some circles, that's the only way to God is through these certain doors, you know, through and we know there is only one way, and um uh and that's Jesus. But I think a lot of people are just tired of the rules being told how they have to do it. You know, and I think that in these in these two different areas, there's a lot uh there's a lot less restriction on how you come how you come to the Lord. And um you know, and you don't necessarily have to fit into a mold. And I think that that's what people are tired of is being told that they have to relate to God in this way.

SPEAKER_04 41:54

They're looking for relationship, not for religion.

SPEAKER_05 41:56

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 41:56

You know, it is interesting because as we go into things that are historically loaded towards Christianity, things like you know, the crusades is a good example of that. You know, back then your faith was very much tied to, you know, the power of the day, and in that day the Roman church very much had strength and power, so that was a that was much as a political move as it was anything else, because it was a response to all the Ottomans taking over everything and everybody from that part of the world fighting and having a different part of faith. So they were actually fighting back for Europe for land that they used to control, even into the Middle East. And so it's uh it's really a power struggle, not a faith struggle in that way that was under the guise of those things, but I think it had nothing to do with that. I think it was very much a power, a power move. What people believed is that we're actually going out. They believed in the heart behind it, but I think at the top end it was more of a power struggle than anything else. But it does bring it back to us in our modern day that I think you're right. I think people are are they're shedding the idea of just religion for religion's sake, and they're looking for something that has tangible realness. So I think there's something powerful about that. We're which the Pentecostal church, which is spirit-filled and spirit-led, and the non-benominational church, which is very evangelical in in asking other people to come to Christ, both of those are gonna grow because they're gonna be have that impetus that's saying it's not about the religion and falling in line, it's about having our alignment in your heart. So that's a big deal. Gage, what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 43:16

Yeah, absolutely. I I a hundred percent agree with you in the sense that it's the spirit-filled body of Christ. Um, that I I've had this conversation with a few different people who are like, you know, you know, I'm thinking about going here, but like, you know, I'll always suggest, like, hey man, why don't you come hang out with me on a Sunday? Sure. You know, and they're like, oh well, dude, I live in East Mesa. I'm like, yeah, I totally get it. I wouldn't want to drive that far on a Sunday either. Sure. We usually work six days a week. It's like the one day you don't want to drive across Valley. But the big concept here is look, go somewhere that is Bible believing, Bible like Bible practicing, and somewhere where you can genuinely see the fruits of the spirit in the community. Because those are going to be the big telltale signs of if you're you're following the right crowd, if you're getting in with the right community, um, and you know. One of the big things for us whenever we were church church shopping, right? We're trying to find a community, a body that we can, you know, be a part of. And whenever we came here, my wife, who had previously previously lived a life in Christianity and then, you know, fell off, came back. But whenever we came here, this was the first place that we came where my wife said, I can feel the spirit of God in this place. And a lot of it was from what this article that you know you had sent kind of talked about was having a spirit-filled worship, a place where you you have these believers coming together in a room that is filled with the spirit in this worship to God. Um and I mean when I experienced it for the first time, a place of like true worship, and then surrendering my heart to that worship and like really coming to the Creator and saying, like, thank you, I love you, like you are worthy of this praise. That's whenever like it it floods you. And when that happens, it's something you can't take away, you can't challenge, you can only dig, you can only dig deeper to try and understand it. And I think that's what sucks so many people in and like gives them this opportunity to explore who God is. And it just yeah, I think it's the faith-filled worship that's helping these Pentecostal and non-denominational churches grow at such rapid numbers.

SPEAKER_04 45:27

Because they have people are open now that they have the heart they've been worshiping, they're open to receive the word that's challenging to change their decisions. Yeah. So it has a very much about alignment in the challenge of the word. Not that the word's not going out in other churches, but maybe they're not experiencing that same kind of uh follow-through with everyone.

SPEAKER_01 45:43

Yeah, I mean, we were created to worship and to praise the Lord. Yeah. You know, so I think going to that being found in a place where people are in that natural state of praising our Father, it it's it's so hard not to be sucked in. It's it's what we're designed for. That's what we're designed for.

SPEAKER_04 46:02

And that's why we encourage people to come and be in person. Not that we don't want to offer it online in excellence, we do that and we do lots of these things digitally, so you can use it whenever you want it. But we do really have a high uh regard and hold um in high importance coming and physically being a part of the community of faith if you're able to do so. Because it's a big difference, you know. Like we've watched a lot of stuff on distance. I I watch other friends that uh preach about stuff or worship sets or whatever, and I love those things, but it's not the same as coming and being at a place that's that's a part of it and coming together. You can even come together and watch a video of someone giving a teaching, but it's the togetherness that has the difference, you know, it's not just the the content. So the content needs to be good, but I feel like it has to be with the togetherness, which is a big piece. Javen, you kind of drive uh growing up in this stuff around the world. Um, could you see why those things would be growing?

SPEAKER_00 46:49

Oh, a hundred percent. And I I think there is a lot to be said for the fact that um we see a lot more spirit-led churches tend to be the ones that are growing a lot. And I think in some sense, it is the return of the heart of the church nowadays moving back towards just straight authenticity with a one-on-one relationship within the lore that doesn't require any barriers or things like that. Um, and I think that there is a lot to be said for that. But I also think in the same sense, it'd be very ignorant of non-denominational and uh Protestant circles to believe that they are immune to the same things that have constantly plagued the church for a long time. That's good because to the same degree of what of what um Gage was talking about with things like church shopping, obviously you want to feel um like implemented within a circle of believers and really feel like you belong to a particular group of people. But when you start getting kind of watered down and watered down and watered down, and there's a rapid simplification of the gospel that kind of continues to go out nowadays, especially within Western circles, then people will only continue to go to a church so long as they don't really feel like they're being challenged on anything, that they're being taught like a prosperity gospel. If I give enough, then I'm good of all things, right? Which is a criticism that has been given of the Catholic Church within, like, oh, you can pay for indulgences and things like that. It's basically just a reskin version of that for something for something like a prosperity gospel. And that's why there is a lot of criticism that we're seeing of other denominations of like mega churches, and there is a real element to that because of things that Paul has said about people just doing it for the sake of doing it instead of like the real heart of a believer. But it is I do really think that we're kind of seeing a re uh or like a realignment of the heart of the Christian church moving more towards the form of what the early apostolic leaders saw, where it was just the the intentionality of people getting together. It didn't have to be a particular place because there was no temple at the time. Everything was done in houses or things that were set apart as maybe um buildings to another thing, but then we're rebranded for the purpose of that. Um so it it is important, but it's also important to see or to be vigilant of the fact that that um temptation can creep into anything like that as well.

SPEAKER_04 48:55

So yeah, that's right. And I think that's why we have to be those that are diligent about what we're doing and live as unto God in an authentic way, which has been a theme for us all today in a lot of people talking about. So the Lord be praised. One thing I thought was interesting uh as we're talking about commitment was that South Korea um they have had donned their first digital robot, digital monk, and they had this be a Buddhist monk that is a humanoid robot that is walking around in monk garb and has come to be like the first digital monk. I'm not exactly sure the per the parameters of this thing, if yeah, this is a new training aid for the Tai Chi of the monks or what's going on with the situation, but it was surreal to see to see a humanoid robot walking around and wrapped up in this in this garb. I mean, Angus, what do you think about this, man?

SPEAKER_05 49:41

Why? That's that that's the first thing that comes to my mind is why? What's the point? Because in Buddhism, it's to become one, you know, with the to empty yourself and all of this. So maybe this is the best example. Well, I'm so all humanity. So does it does it achieve nirvana? Does it accomplish its goal by just turning it off? That's good. Because it's no longer thinking. I mean, so like what's what's the point of this? Is it is it teaching you how to not? Because if it's teaching you, then it hasn't emptied it itself. I mean, so there's just so many things that it's like uh it's a robot in a costume. And that's really what I see is what's the point of it? Because it it if it's self-aware, because that's the whole point of AI, it if it's self-aware, that doesn't necessarily mean that there's a soul.

SPEAKER_04 50:29

Yeah, that's good. That's good. It'll never reach the level of like, let I don't know, just throw somebody out there like you know, Ace Mentura. Yeah, it'll never reach the levels.

SPEAKER_01 50:40

Yo, dude, that's a high standard, too. That's a real high standard there.

SPEAKER_05 50:44

So, I mean, I don't see what the point is, other than you know, this is just something to draw more attention to uh to the the religion and whatever it is. Uh I I just don't really see the point. I I think that it's just kind of stupid to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_01 50:59

Trying to draw in the youth, dude. The youths, they're trying to draw in the youth, trying to get them to come and be a part, man. They come follow the robot. 100%. 100%. I don't know. I I look at the whole thing and like it immediately my brain just goes to like a bunch of memes or like gift pictures of like, you know, where the little minions like, what? Like so many just run through my brain, like and then like shouts out to um shouts out to uh my in-law because he my brother-in-law, he would just be like, What the feasy? What is going on?

SPEAKER_04 51:33

Um feasy is uh a freedom in Jesus. Uh that's we're going.

SPEAKER_01 51:38

Lord be praised. Um, but yeah, I it makes no sense whatsoever. And I, you know, we've talked about PR stunts recently too, and I think that could very well just be it. It's it's a way to draw people in, a way for you know, maybe the youth to have some kind of inclination of curiosity. I'm like, hmm, what's going on here? Why are they implementing this? Let me go, let me go look at this, right? Yeah, and then maybe just yeah, I don't know. They're just desperate for attention, they're they haven't fully disconnected themselves, so they're so you know, they're still of the world where they have to have robots walking around in garbs.

SPEAKER_04 52:12

It's interesting. Interesting take. Yeah, for sure. Jay, what do you think, man? We talk about digital monks and uh you know what are they using them for? What do you think, man?

SPEAKER_00 52:20

I mean, just to follow the thought process of what Angus was talking about, I think any time that you implement an AI or a robot in a religion, it it's just kind of an example that like the entire idea within itself is just anti-religion. Like if you implement a robot in a religion that's meant for somebody to essentially deprive themselves of what they believe is like their natural instinct or desire and just be one with the universe as a whole, something that was created by man and is only as good as its code would be much better at doing that than somebody else. So they would never be able to relate within that struggle to like what the human would have to go through. Same thing for like an AI pastor, like an AI uh like sheikh or something like that. Is like uh the fact that we are human means we wrestle with the flesh as well. Right, which they don't yeah, exactly. And it they're just given a bunch of things that they're supposed to say to people to make them feel welcome, but it's like you're speaking to something that doesn't have humanity, you're speaking to something that won't be able to ever relate to you and I on that sense. So I just think like uh to ever put artificial intelligence in a position to make a moral standpoint, it just like the the more that you talk about it and the more that you try to put in in different scenarios, it just shows how stupid the idea is as a whole.

SPEAKER_04 53:30

Yeah, you know, it's interesting, interesting. And the only thing I was thinking about that would probably be a loophole to this was if you had somebody who was in some way like physically disabled, like as a monk, like they maybe they couldn't walk or they couldn't whatever, and they still want to participate, so they're controlling this device, and it's like uh it's you know an avatar for them. That would be the one caveat where I'd be like, okay, I might give you a pass on just like, oh, I want to participate in this, like, you know, like what they do with their movements or whatever, but you can't physically do it. So I'd understand if that was a pass-through. I mean, it doesn't align with anything we believe at all, but I mean, you know, I could understand if they were trying to go for that, what that might be like. Um, if they're just trying to train it up for a future of fighting, then who knows? Uh, but as we've seen, some of the baddest people on the planet actually give love to Jesus Christ. What was what was the last one we decided, UFC?

SPEAKER_00 54:16

Yeah, for UFC, it was super dope. They said I think they said that everybody that walked on that stage, or maybe it was like one or something, gave gave a testament to Jesus Christ, which is awesome in that in that regard.

SPEAKER_01 54:25

So it means that bad people that can choke you out, they still love Jesus. I I I like choking people out, and I love Jesus. It's not where I thought that was going, but that's great.

SPEAKER_02 54:38

Oh my gosh. Clip it. I love you love choking people out. I love Jesus. Put it on a shirt.

SPEAKER_01 54:49

Come on, man. Come on. That's one of the best feelings ever. It's just standing over somebody as they wake up, like, hey, buddy.

SPEAKER_02 54:56

You know, Jesus loves you, right?

SPEAKER_04 54:59

I don't I don't think you were saying that to them then, Gaige. No, no, no, no. Not then, not then. Not then.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

Because we think, man, all these UFC fighters winning and giving love to Jesus.

SPEAKER_05 55:09

It's super cool. Uh gotta choke you out in the name of Jesus.

SPEAKER_02 55:15

Talk about authority. Oh man. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 55:19

It doesn't speak so well, though, if you are a believer and you lose. Oh, interesting. By the power of Christ.

SPEAKER_04 55:26

I know one of the one of the toughest fighters ever is a guy named John Jones who has scripture tattooed on his chest, but his character isn't always Christ-like. So he a bad man, though. He can put people down, but yeah, you know, consistency.

SPEAKER_05 55:41

We're all trying to be more like Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 55:42

The Lord help us all. We're all short of that for sure. Yeah. Jesus. Great point. Hey, one of the seats we talk about is creativity, and we've been talking about how this intersection of AI and faith is going on. Uh, we talked about recently talking about agents and and using agents, which are essentially like coded workers uh that are coming from an AI um from an AI space and how you're kind of customizing that agent to do what you want. If you were to use a whole bunch of agents together, what do you think would be like a task that you'd want to send a network of agents to do? What would be something you're like, yeah, this would be amazing.

SPEAKER_05 56:15

Invest for me.

SPEAKER_04 56:17

Okay. So like a fleet of investors to like to to look at every candle and every ticker tape and see what is going up and down and buy, sell, calls, puts the whole nine yards.

SPEAKER_05 56:26

Watch how Congress is vote is uh trading. Watch how they're trading. What is that autopilot?

SPEAKER_04 56:31

Is that what they call that one where you pay in and just copy and follow Pelosi. Yeah, exactly. Pelosi's husband. Not Pelosi. Yeah. She wasn't the one with the undersider trading. That's right. None of them have no, they don't make decisions about that.

SPEAKER_01 56:42

What's entire smartphone?

SPEAKER_04 56:44

So strange. You know, I think there was you know a homemaker out there that might have some differencing opinion. Pretty famous lady who was went to prison for the same thing. Shout out, Martha. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 56:58

Left prison in a jet.

SPEAKER_04 57:00

That's right. J. But what do you think, man? Interesting. Uh network agents. What would you build a network of agents to do?

SPEAKER_00 57:05

No, I think I'd do the exact same thing. I have a friend right now that's trying to like essentially copy trade himself with a with a bot, which I think is pretty interesting. He's like training it to learn his own thing so that it can just do it for him so that he doesn't have to like do it in the morning. Okay. Um and yeah, I think that I think that's pretty cool. But I would also, I think the only other thing that you really could do is if you trained enough clawed agents or like enough like variant of Claude or something like that to learn audio responses and like cold call people, or like you could have it sell life insurance if you really want to do. It's just hard to get them to sign off on it. I guess you need to like do it all yourself. But um yeah, you could have like if you are the sole person that's operating something and then they're just calling people on your behalf, then yeah, 100% you could do that. You could set up like a retail business online, you could do pretty much anything that only involves a computer, and then you just need to call people to do for you, is like very feasible. And I think that's the only real thing that you would do with that.

SPEAKER_04 58:03

That's interesting. I I have a different opinion. I think I would take my agents and build them together into being those that are their hacker agents that they they make their themselves as a network, and then they just follow wherever I'm driving and give me only green lights.

SPEAKER_01 58:18

Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_04 58:19

What do you think about that, Jazz?

SPEAKER_01 58:21

I drive the 303 for the most part, but I don't really deal with traffic lights. But outside of that, I think that's a wonderful concept. I think it's a wonderful concept. Super legal. I think that makes you part of the problem. I think it makes you part of the problem, right? Hey, but I mean, can you even get in trouble for that though? Because it's an AI that's a good idea.

SPEAKER_04 58:40

I mean, technically, it wasn't me. Hey, that's what I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 58:44

Didn't Shaggy say something about that? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 58:47

Shaggy! No referencing Shaggy on the podcast. It wasn't me. Listen, unless he's walking around with Scoob. Hey Scoob! That's the wrong Shaggy to be talking about, Doc.

SPEAKER_05 59:02

Upon further consideration, I think I would take what you're saying and then send that network after all the scam callers and all those people, all the robocallers. If you just take them and when you get a call, send them after them and block up all their lines and you know shut them down. I think that would be incredible to do.

SPEAKER_04 59:19

I would tell if it cloned what they talked like in their script and just kept calling them with the same scripts and the same voice, it would be so fun. They would try, but I mean that they're infinite, right? I mean, that's the whole idea with like using a network is that you would just go and pick up another line and go and do it again.

SPEAKER_01 59:35

You know what would be great is people who like if you could program AI to connect to the shopping carts that have like the auto lock wheels. Oh, yeah. And anybody who doesn't push their cart back to the cart return spot, when they show up to a place, no cart will move because it locks the wheels for them.

SPEAKER_00 59:51

That's attached to their face.

SPEAKER_01 59:52

Unless they pay like a fine. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, to me. Specifically.

SPEAKER_04 59:57

They have to walk up and put put you to scan their phone or something, pay their two bucks pennants for not taking their carts back. Come on. That's really fun. That's not a bad idea. Put your cart back. No, I'll say in Europe they have a thing where it's it they you you have to put your cart back to get your coin back. Yeah, so they they have a thing where we actually use that for our church plants, and we made these little coins that had our logo and our website on them, and they just live it on your key ring, and you would just take your keys out and plug your keys in or plug the little disc in. And so you wanted the disc back because then you'd always have it with you, whereas normally it's the same size as a euro or a pound coin if you're gonna be in the UK. And so we made those. We used them all the time, wherever we were at. I was so surprised that they never put that in America. It's like a little piece of chain with a little thing and a plastic applicator that locks the carts together. Yeah. So I don't know why they never did that here. To me, it made all the sense in the world. It was really smart.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:43

Yeah. You could make the all the smart tags in the grocery store read the real price.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:48

Or that'd be fire. You walk by and it just gives you the sale price on every single thing. There you go.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:52

Yeah, or it gives you like the purchase price of the store.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:56

That'd be sweet. So you get the pass-through price to your there'd be a lot of things that people would use it for, and if they're thinking to that direction, it'd be pretty crazy. So but it is interesting to think about how we would use it beneficially as we started out to do, which I thought you guys were doing a good job of that before I derailed us. So sorry about that. One of the things we talked about me. It wasn't me. Insane. Dear heaven. I'm gonna pray for Gage. Lord, right now.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:28

Amen.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:29

Pray for Gage. Amen. Okay. Hey, one of the creativity things that we saw we've been talking about a lot is uh automated cars and self-driving cars. We have them everywhere here. Javen's talked about his experience in Waymo, but they are doing a recall on Waymo right now because they're having issues with the software. Really? Apparently drove with a person through flood waters and like got taken away. So they're doing a recall on some of these places. I don't know if it's everything. They said the whole Robo Taxi fleet. I don't know how true that is or if it's just certain markets, but that's insightful because we have Waymo everywhere here. Lord be praised. Yeah? Lord be praised. I'm on the other end, man. I'm like, dude, as soon as they can automate a lot of people that drive their car that I don't like how they drive, I would rather them be in an automated taxi.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:15

In a Waymo. Well, yeah, but a lot of the automated taxis are driving people into floods, are stopping in the middle of the road, preventing emergency services from getting to where they need to go. All these people would do the same. Ramming, yeah, that's a good that's a good point.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:27

All these people will do the same with us.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:29

Touche. Touche.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:30

No, I'm with you. That's exactly their issues they're having too. It's that getting in the way of emergency vehicles is a big one. Um, you know, because those things don't they're erratic, right? They're gonna drive however they need to drive to get through traffic. So there is a piece of this where they because we because our society hasn't caught up where we have like, let's say, all self-driving lane. Like if they had an all-self-driving lane, maybe a semi-truck lane, that would be a novel idea. Oh keep them out of everybody else's lane and give them their own lane where they're not cutting anybody else off. But you have some of these kind of things, but we don't have that. Right. So because we don't have it, that makes it very hard for us to kind of program anything like that. So what do you think, Gage? What do you think is that? I'm doing this back and forth. I'm talking to Gage, talking to Angus, forgive me. Javen, what do you think, man? Yeah, Angus, what do you think, man?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:13

Uh I'm kind of indifferent on some of this. Uh, you know, I I see the the benefit of having some people off the road as far as not I mean, sure, you know, if they're gonna be on their phone, they might as well be in the back of a Waymo. Correct, yeah. Um, you know, and so I think that in some regards it makes things safer. Uh, but I think that we're still just on the the starting end of the technology. And so obviously there's gonna be bugs that have to be worked out and all of that stuff. Um but with with all of the things that they're coming out with um for the for the new 20 uh 26, 27 vehicles that you know they're gonna be checking, checking to see whether you're a fit driver or not. At some point, I really think that it's gonna be a moot point that it it doesn't really matter whether it's Waymo or your own vehicle because you're only gonna be allowed so much control anyway.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:00

That's a good point. So all of us are gonna be scrambling to get like old 1960s and 70s cars that have no tech in them.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:06

Yeah, but but even that you saw with the the new change in uh in the gases and stuff, it's eating through all those old. That's all the cars on purpose. Yeah, so it's they're they're trying to intentionally work it so that those cars can even run. Yeah. You know, so I mean I see it all as just progressing us to everything that we've been talking about. It's all systems of control and all that. Uh there and and again, these things will be marketed to us as safety and uh and it's gonna make everything safer and better, which uh uh it's great, but we can't child proof the whole world. Totally and then once it is childproofed, you know. I don't know how many childproof things you've been locked out of, but I I've been locked out of a few things because you just can't, you know. And so once we do that to our vehicles and and other modes of freedom, uh I I think it's a slippery slope.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

Come on, man. What's the enemy gonna come as? Masquerading as the Prince of Peace? You know what I'm saying? Safety and peace kind of go hand in hand, don't they? Yeah, Jesus said, I am the way, not the way mo.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:05

You know what I'm saying? Come on. That's just jokes. Pick it up and preach. That's a joke. Also, we're selling that t-shirt. Uh, you can find it on cornerstonecollective.com. I'm joking. We're not doing that. Um Javen, what do you think, man? You've been in the Waymo, it's everywhere where you're at.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:18

Yeah, I mean, I mess with Waymo's, but to Gage's point, like they are not very good at navigating like situations that uh like the average human would just have uh an innate sense for. Like if it's pulling up to your drop or to your park zone, like where it's supposed to pick you up, sometimes it will just completely ignore all the other cars in its way if it's in like um if it pulls up into a semicircle where it's like for a gated apartment complex or something, it will just wait and get in every other car's way, which is super annoying for the people that aren't there. Um that aren't a robot, yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's what I mean. And it's just like it's it's terrible. So I understand like from a practicality standpoint why they want to continue to implement them. And I think putting them on highways, if they really do have like public drop zones where they aren't getting in the way of anybody, is kind of just it will it will come naturally, like within the next year or two. And it will probably solve a lot of problems as far as then blocking traffic and things right now. But also to Angus's point, like yeah, whenever you start to um kind of market to safety and things like that and people lose control, it it does get kind of dangerous because then you're paying more per Waymo ride, and then they're gonna be like, oh, well, we'll just combat it by lowering Waymo prices and then yeah, I don't know. And then making it more accessible for you. And then you don't have to have a car, and then you oh, why own your apartment at all, or why own your house at all? You you can just rent it out or something like that. It's like yeah, yeah, it's terrible.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:40

The give and take of all those different elements of what that looks like and how it works together. Yeah, that's it's scary, it's terrifying. It's also one of those things that you know I think we're gonna adopt, and to Angus's point, it's because we're just gonna be ubiquitous and we're just gonna be like, well, I mean, of course, just take a WIMA or take whatever the thing is for sure. Disgusting.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:58

And then we're gonna have to figure out how to be in the world, not of the world. That's right. You know, and so this is the way things are going. So how do we operate and function within that in ways that still honor Christ? Don't go against the things that He tells us, you know. Because since the beginning we've all been in governments of some sort, and they have not always been godly governments. That's right. You know, and so so believers have always had to learn how to function within the system that they are born under and and all of that. And so I think that for us we just have to be praying for discernment and wisdom. And Lord, okay, so when they take away this freedom or when this happens, how do I respond? How am I supposed to move forward within this in a way that honors you and points towards you and builds your kingdom?

SPEAKER_01 1:07:40

That's encouraging. That's good.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:41

That's a great point. Hey, one of the creativity things that was a throwback that Relevant Magazine brought back up was this thing called the Power Team. Have you guys ever seen the power team before? No. This is the power team. Um showing a picture of these guys for those that aren't watching on video. So the power team is out of the out of the 90s. I don't know why my next door app is trying to tell me stuff from my neighbors. Um, but uh yeah, so the power team was a bunch of guys who were on all the juice. At least they all looked like they were on all the juice. It was kind of the era of um chicken and rice, baby. Chicken and rice. I don't think it was any of that. I think it was like a whole bunch of stacks personally, but that's just me. Um, but they were they were like these big muscle guys who would do these feats of strength by the power of the Lord. So this is the whole concept. So it was it was a rip phone books, yeah. It was evangelistic. I don't know if you knew about this, but yeah, it's evangelistic. And uh it was these guys are like huge kind of bodybuilder type dudes who are all swole up, and they would come and they would do like a very like uh encouraging talk about challenging and living for God and the strength and stuff, and that was cool. Talk about Samson, talk about whatever, and then they would do things like blow up a hot water bottle and it would burst. Like it could hurt your lungs if you don't do it right. So it's it's technique, but they could blow this water bottle up and they mean they'd break a water bottle with their breath.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:00

That's crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:02

Or they would take a bat and break a bat over their leg, or they would take these um these pieces of ice that were kind of separated by each other, and they would they would break them with their arm, like and they would break through, and they'd be like it'd be like 10 of them. Yeah, and they're up on a platform, they do it their head, do it with their arms, they would break boards, they break bricks, they'd set stuff on fire, and and then they would break it. Have you seen this stuff, Gage?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:23

Yeah, I saw I saw a handful of the clips after you had sent it, and it it's comical. It's so comical, bro. You gotta think about it in the 90s, man. I get it, bro. Who who was what's that guy's name who does like the jazz or size?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:40

Um Richard Simmons. Yeah, come on. It's like the Richard Simmons of Christianity, but the Richard Simmons.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:48

Because like the whole time they're they're doing all this stuff, like he's running around jumping up and like smacking these flaming boards, and you got like every time he'd hit one, some guy's in the back spraying a fire extinguisher, and like like random cinder block setup. All I can all I can hear is like like the kung fu fighting song in the back, you know. He's going through, he's breaking ice blocks. It's comical. I can understand where they're coming from, and like, you know, you're definitely reaching different audiences doing sure. And there's also gonna be people who are at home, are like, man, these guys are oh dude, I saw it live. Phenomenal.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:20

I saw it live at an AG church. It was spectacular. I mean, I mean, you go into church, dude, there's things on fire, there's ice blocks, there's these big roided up dudes that are like gigantor, and they're like breaking stuff, and it's like pumped up 80s rock me. Like the you know, the big jams. No, like jump jams, you know, like like all these like dun dun dun dun dun dun.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:41

Yeah, just like, yeah, do it for Jesus. You break all the stuff. You're pumped, bro. You're like, give me a piece of that bat, you know what I mean? Like, you're like, give me some of this.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:49

That's awesome, dude. I can tell you, here's the crazy thing. It is technique. There is a piece of it that's strength for sure, but it's a lot of it's technique because I, when I was 17, could rip a full-size phone book. I'm talking about like a five to six inch thick phone book. Yeah, but look at these. Look at these. No, those had none of that. None of that. Do you know what a phone book is? Do you know what a phone book is? Just checking. The better question is for JB and Jabin can be a good one. Yeah, yeah, no, don't worry.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:13

Have you ever seen the yellow pages?

SPEAKER_04 1:11:15

Dude, for real. Like money you go see guys when I would see that. But back in the day, when that's how you that you didn't have any online, you know, thing to look up a number. Everything was in the phone book. The phone book's this big, massive book. So they would do that. They'd pinch it with your hands. You had to do this thing, this kind of movement that would make a pinch, and then you had to force it through with one arm to the other. She had pulled one towards herself and one down. And so I could get it when I was 17 and learn the process. Dude, you want to talk about impress every homeschool girl that has gone to Christian college that Jane was talking about earlier, gonna be on Ring by Spring. This is the thing where you like and rip her phone book and have a phone book two heads back. There you go, love. You can have some phone book. Oh you want some phone book or something.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:54

That's like that stereotypical like establishing dominance in a Christian in a church is like carrying seeing how many chairs you can carry.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:02

Instead, Jay's like, oh, that's a cute. I just see my stack of chairs.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:06

No, Jay, Jay's like, oh, that's cute.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:08

You can carry chairs. Look at this phone book. What do you want to know? Phone books. I try and break a bat and I break my knee. Yeah, exactly. Some of these things were no joke, like these are just real big, strong boys that could do that. So either way, they're doing it to glorify God. So it's a it's an awesome thing. And that was really cool. And it was like it was there was it was multicultural, so they had not just a whole bunch of white dudes, they had other people of different ethnicities that are up there doing stuff, and that was cool. Like you see some of that stuff, which was pretty groundbreaking for the time because it was very secular, like it was very um segregated, like church on Sunday, like white church, black church. So you had people of you know, like African-Americans, you had white people, Hispanic people, they're all doing this stuff together. Like, this is rad. Like these guys are like, and they're all kind of gruff, like you could tell, like all of them like just barely got saved out of gold's gem like three months ago, and they're just like pressing crazy plates. So, pretty interesting. Jay Well, what do you think, man? You think you could do these feats or what?

SPEAKER_00 1:12:58

No, ain't no way, but it this did immediately remind me of the story that I think you had a He-Man, is that what it was? Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, He-Man was essentially what those guys looked like. He-Man was power team. But I just I just thought it was hilarious because you were saying that they'd do it by the power of Christ. And I was thinking when you were on your bed and like you held your thing, dudes. You gotta tell them about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:18

So, my story short version. My story was when I was a kid, my parents bought me these He-Man dolls, because it was a cartoon, and it was just like a cartoon, it was like a fantasy cartoon. Literally, if you go back and listen, they made the cartoon to sell the dolls, which is hilarious. Like, it's very a marketer's dream. But all the the the main characters are all these like roided up looking gigantic. They all look like they're Arnold Schwarzenegger when he was, you know, Mr. Obumpia or Mr. World, or what he was, and it's like they're all just jacked up with muscles on muscles on muscles. And this guy's supposed to be like a very like uh quaint and quiet like prince until by the power of gray skull, he has the power. And so I'm exactly so. I my parents walk in and I'm like standing on the couch saying, by the power of gray skull, which my my pastor father was like, by the power of what did you just say? And he's like, sorry. And I mean, like the castle is literally a skull, it's a gray skull, it's a skull castle. So I mean, it looks awesome, dude. I mean, it's like this cool skull-looking, you know, cavernous plastic castle, and I'm pumped up. I got, you know, I got he ride, he literally rides a tiger. Like, that's so dope. That's like it's what like that's yeah, that's why Mike Tyson later lived this out. He saw me, man. He's like, I need a tiger. I look like this guy. I'm gonna ride a tiger. That's fair. So this is the whole thing. So immediately all my toys got taken because you know, I'm over here like by the power. My parents are like, by the power of nothing. How about no? By the power of the Holy Spirit, you have lost those toys. Exactly. So I told this joke or I told this story, and we had people in church who bought me the little pop pop figures of like gangster. It's a it's a reminder of, you know, I don't pray to them by the power of grace, cool, but that's okay. So the Lord help us. That was as close as I ever got to uh being on the power team was ripping a phone book. Yeah, but uh, I did try to do the water bottle thing, dude. You can really get jacked up if you don't know what you're doing. You have to like have like play trumpet or something where you can like really purse your lips and hold the air. It's it's a serious thing. Like you can really get messed up. But yeah, it was pretty impressive. These guys they learned some crazy stuff back in the 90s, man. Wild time in church. 90s was a wild time. Uh hey, one of the things we were talking about with creativity recently in China, they talked about what's called a graphene battery. A graphene battery is unlike lithium in that um it charges really fast, it charges in just a few minutes, it can hold a charge a lot longer, so it lasts like four times longer than a comparison for that. And it's supposed to never catch fire, which is why you can't put it in the belly of a plane, right? You can't have to keep your electronics on you. So if you see if they ever explode, you have a problem. Like you know, those old uh some of the old phones they get old and the battery get all crazy and it just spark and start a fire. So this is pretty interesting, man, these new batteries.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:05

You got a chance to check that out? Uh yeah, it's it's wild how uh we just keep progressing and and all that. Um I remember seeing I think I think it was probably a decade or or more ago, where they were talking about just these new batteries that you could charge them from any direction, and it would, you know. Uh and so this actually sounds like an article that I had read years ago, and it's it's just amazing how we keep advancing and all that stuff, which is only going to progress us further, make technology more efficient. And you know, uh, I think it'd be great to you know, if my phone didn't heat up so much, and you know, there's a there's a lot of real real world applications, and uh I think that that's that's cool, but there's also you know a lot of other implications that go along with it.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:48

Yeah, for sure. I thought immediately of all the good benefits. I was like, man, you have an electric car with those kind of batteries, it charges faster, it goes further, it's better. The idea with them, I think, is really cool. I really hope they can roll them out in a way that's scalable. I also hope that we, meaning our country, also has access to the core components of whatever make these batteries. Right. Because if not, you know there's gonna be a scramble over those assets. So yeah. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:11

Um I think if that is what they're letting us this is my head, it's my brain. Yep. Tinfoil. Tinfoil's back on. If that's what they're showing us, what else do they have access to? If that's what they're making public, what else is there? How much further along are they behind the behind the screens? Right. You know, um, I mean, because there's there's talks like of Bob Lazar, right? And and one of the biggest things that he talks about is that they were reverse engineering this anti-gravity stuff, and like we've still not seen any of that. Yeah, I mean, we're I want my hoverboard, man. What's up? 100%. Back to the future, it needs to happen now. I know, man. But yeah, we have we have these things that we get access to, and I think that's part of this the scheme of the enemy, right? Is to like we get these little bits, right? Like the breadcrumbs off the loaf, and then what'll happen is is part of this big like reveal where they you know come in and have this false anyways, that they're gonna unveil a lot of this technology that they've had, but in a way of like um extraterrestrials.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:13

Right, right. That's a very interesting, interesting idea for that and in a way, way into it as far as the batteries and the advancement of this stuff for sure. Because it's gonna help the robots, it's gonna help everything in like be you know a multiplier in in how fast they can grow. So pretty pretty crazy. Another piece of cue of uh creativity we've been talking about is uh paintings, and there's this allegory painting of Satan. Have you guys seen this allegory of Satan? I sent it to you guys. Have you seen this?

SPEAKER_01 1:18:37

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:38

It's this picture of him. It's he's kind of seen as like a uh like a uh a happy, kind of cheery person, yeah, jester kind of thing with this crown and stuff. You guys see this here? And it's a really interesting idea. It's showing a uh kind of a a bread trail, a breadcrumb trail of gold coins on the floor. At the foot of his, he's sitting in a throne. He has bat wings kind of floating elevated with a big massive gold scepter, much like you'd see an old Caesar have that scepter, or maybe even a Pope, and he has this kind of a ruling, it shows his authority, and he's showing him there with all of these heads, all these skulls of all these kings at his feet, and he is holding in his hand a gold coin. Interesting idea, Jim. What do you think about that the uh analogy of this stuff that's here? It's trying to tell you a story about who Satan is.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:26

Oh, 100%. And I mean it it definitely is is appealing to the idea that it's gonna come in something that looks pleasurable to the eye. It's not gonna be something that inherently looks evil, but people are gonna be deceived by a trail of things that look like a good idea to finally something that has been kind of masking itself this whole time, which is why he hides behind a smile. Um, and I think like just historically that's kind of how it's always been, and also scripturally we know that he comes as an angel of light as well. That's what Paul talks about. Right. Um so yeah, definitely, definitely within that regard. It's I think it's like the probably the most accurate depiction of how we, at least on this earth, will understand and like see Satan within and I guess his effects of how he's uh done that as well.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:09

So Angus, what do you think, man? You see some of this all these different kings, different, different they're represented different cultures.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:15

Yeah, I I agree with Jave, and I think that it's a great picture that uh that really does just point out uh this is who he is. Um I think it's a uh this is just a visual representation that makes it easier to like explain it to your kids and and things like that. And so that's what I love about art like this is it gives a visual representation. You know, I mean if you can't use AI to uh to create these kind of images, then you can use uh this this old art and and things like that to be able to still tell the same story or something similar. But uh I think it really strikes at the the heart of truth and it's uh you know it's a very real depiction.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:52

Yeah, exactly, of what what we what we're dealing with whenever we chase after the things of the world. One of the things we talk about is community here, and we have a new semester of life groups that are happening. That's one of the ways that we get connected and get involved with each other. We talked about how we have connect, grow, and serve groups. Gage, you got involved in serving. I know your wife does as well. What's that been like for you guys in taking that stuff from just being someone who comes and and sits to being someone who actually serves on team?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:18

Yeah, it's been such a blessing, man. I mean, you talk about it often, right? Using our time and our talents to be able to serve not only the community, but as a as a form of worship to to our our Heavenly Father. Right. And you know, it's been such, again, it's been such a blessing. And you know, I get the opportunity to meet a lot of different people, to grow in relationship with a lot of people. The Lord's used my my testimony in a lot of different instances that I didn't see it as a possibility of an opportunity. And then just in conversation, um, you know, people have come back to me, whether it be like a week or two weeks later, and just sit saying something to the effect of like, hey man, you had said something in passing a couple weeks ago, and it's drastically changed how I look at things, or like, you know, hey man, we were talking the other month, and you know, something stuck with me. And I just really want to talk to you about this and see how God's worked in your life because you know, I'm in desperate need of a change in this area. And he's just opened so many doors to not only minister to people, not only to disciple people, but to grow in relationship and community. And it's such a blessing. My wife, such an amazing voice, and it's so amazing to see her up there, yeah, helping to lead people in to a place of worship before the Lord, yeah, and using her time and her talents as a form of worship, not only actually worshiping, right, but as a way to, you know, surrender herself and to give herself over to the Lord in that way. And it's so amazing, man, to see the Lord working in those places and allowing it to be a blessing.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:43

Yeah. Very good. And I love how you guys have done that. You jumped in, both of you have jumped in, and even though you guys have a young family and a growing family, uh, how how you guys have still navigated that and still, even if it's a season where you need to step away, then getting re-engaging and stepping back into it, which I really thought was amazing. Angus, this one of the ways that you actually got connected was through life groups and connected in serving and giving up your time. What's that been like over kind of the time? You've done all sorts of things now.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:07

Yeah, uh serving has probably been one of the uh one of the biggest things that has contributed to my growth. Um, you know, the life groups in general with the interest-based or the the um curriculum-based or um growth-based stuff. But what I found was that uh what was so cool in serving is that I found out that God is really the only one who can multiply through subtraction. You know, because what I found and what Annie and I found is we had really busy lives already. Um and when we were asked to start serving in youth, we were like, well, we don't really have the time for it. Um and so that's where kind of the tithing of your time really uh you'll see the blessing and you'll see that. And so what we did was we we gave a a month just to see. And what we found is that when we served, um, even though we were subtracting time from our daily and weekly schedule, God would multiply the other hours and He would we would see a blessing in other ways. And so it wasn't a subtraction for us. We we found that we were more, uh, that the time we had was more more effective out in the world and in other ways. And so it it became to us very much like you tithe of your time just like you tithe of your your talent and and treasure. The other thing too that I found was, you know, I did not feel equipped or prepared or anything like that when it came to kids' church because I'm like, man, some of these kids, they've been they've grown up in this. And I'm still in my first couple of years of this thing, right? You know, so they know the Bible stories, they know how to say the names better, you know, kind of like you would uh would correct your teachers on how to say things. And I get in trouble, yeah. But um, but for me, what I found out was that it it really made things less intimidating because um, you know, all you have to do is be one to two steps ahead of the other, you know, the people who are following you. Um and sometimes you can even walk shoulder to shoulder with them. And um, and so what was really neat for me was in working with kids church, it taught me Bible stories better and it it it showed me how to understand the word of God in a different way because I was presenting it in a way that kids could understand, which was a way that I could also understand. Super good, yeah. You know, and so I I think that serving is absolutely invaluable, and um Jesus came to serve, and so I think that really if if you're not serving, you're not fully in alignment, you know. I mean, there there's obviously a a point where sometimes you need a season where you're not uh because I mean this last uh this last Sunday, Pastor Celeste was talking about being a Mary versus a Martha. And so there's a time to be a Mary, but there's also a time to be a Martha, you know, and so I think that serving is is one of those things. It's so important. Um if you really want to see God move, start serving him and and serving his people because it it changes your heart towards others. Um, you know, when you when you serve the homeless, you start to think differently about the homeless. Uh when you serve kids, you start to see kids differently. Uh they're just little people, you know, they're big people in little bodies. Yeah, sure. Um and values is is already there. Yeah, and so um serving really I think it takes your walk even deeper.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:19

Man, it's such a good example. I really like that. It's a great word. I can tell you, like we grew up doing this because I was a pastor's kid, so I was kind of voluntold to do a lot of this stuff, and I think Javen could probably relate. Right there with you. And uh and that's a good thing. Uh, but I will say because of that, I learned lots of things that I otherwise would naturally not have known. And I was I was a pre-school teacher for a few years as I was I was working a corporate job, and that was a place where they needed help. My mom was ahead of all the Sunday school at the time. We were doing a Sunday school model versus a kid's double kids' church model and some other stuff that we would do. Now, and so we were teaching a different we had kids' church stuff that also happened, but we had like a different curriculum for Sunday school. And so she was like, Listen, I really need help in this age group, three, four, fives. We were really growing in a big way. We had massive classes worth these of these kids that were that age, and all those kids now are like in their early 30s, which is pretty crazy. But uh, that's because I'm the ancient of days. Uh but it was really great because I spent all these time with these these ones, and like we just loved on them, man, and like they were from families that were rough or you know, just finding Christ, and so to value them and talk with them and and expect high level from them. Like, we just did a lot of memorization of scripture, did memorization of all sorts of stuff. I told you guys about how you know I'd talk to them about like colors and about other things, and that was really fun. We'd be like, What color is this? And they're like, That's blue. Like, no, what shade is it? And they'd be like, periwinkle. I'm like, That's right. Or you know, whatever it is, like, what is this? They're like purple. I'm like, But what shade is it? They're like, Oh, it's purple mountain majesty. I'm like, That's correct. We would do stuff like that and it was crazy, like the parents would be like, What? Like, how do they know that? I'm like, 'Cause I expect them to know it. I just had a different because I only had them for a little bit of time, an hour and a half, whatever it was. You know, we would teach the classes, but it was really fun, man. We had a great time with that stuff. But I think serving it opens the door for you to learn something more about you. And I think that you get as much out of it as anybody else getting something from you. You know, we talk about that often.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:16

Well, and I I obviously love kids' church and youth, and that's kind of where I've spent almost all of my time serving.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:23

Um you've been serving the elderly recently.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:26

Yeah, and and that too. Um, and so I love being able to learn from our uh from our seniors, but it in serving our kids, it really taught me a lot about being a father too, because you see a lot of examples of how other parents do things. Right. You know, and so you can see like you you watch your brothers and sisters and how they deal with their kids, but when you're teaching them, you see what's really in there and you see like what what that looks like. And and because you're work walking alongside these kids, you can not that everybody makes mistakes as a parent, but what you do is the more the more kids you work with, the more you can see that's the kind of fruit I want. And then so that's one of the things that as I would see these these great kids that I was teaching, I'd go to their parents and say, Okay, is this really what it's like at home? You know, and how do you get that? You know, uh, I think of the Waldens, man, uh Todd and Marnie Walden. When their teenagers, I I saw that they had a genuine love, and I didn't have that same feeling towards my dad. You know, and so it it stopped me when I was like, wait a minute, they they go and they give hugs and and they wanted to spend time around them, and uh, and it just it didn't compute in because of my frame of reference. Right. And and I'd say that to uh to any of the men who who are here alongside us, the the value that you have in kids church is so much greater than you could ever imagine because we live in a fatherless generation in a fatherless time, and you know, for our for our kids and our young ones to be able to see, hey, this is what a man can and should be. Right. You know, and that's not to throw shade at any of the the dads who you know who aren't there, but it's really to give them an example so that they know, look, I don't have to repeat the same things, I don't have to look like that as a dad. And it gives them a whole other picture of what fatherhood, what parenthood, what uh what it can look like. And um, I think men who are able to care for other people's kids, that that's huge.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:26

Yeah, it's huge. And it speaks volumes, the the the value that we have for children and for for everyone in the way we serve. So for all those that are serving on teams, we appreciate you. Thank you for giving of your time and your talent to the Lord. Appreciate that.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:38

Amen.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:39

One of the things we're talking about is competence. We've been learning and talking about um uh Rob Ketterling, he's a pastor out of Minnesota. He has this book called Keep the Change, talking about the keep the change in our life to progress forward in our relationship with God. Uh, one of the things he talks about is the upward curve and working with tenacity in our life to not give up so we can overcome excuses and see the mobility things moving forward and how sometimes you have to work with tenacity to see those things happen. Uh Javin, what do you think, man? Have you had an example of your life where you've had to have some tenacity before you see saw things turn upward?

SPEAKER_00 1:31:09

Yeah, I mean, like I think just these last few, like two years alone have kind of just been a real testament as to like my understanding of that because in high school, and especially I think like coming out of being like a preteen, you're just full of excuses, especially while like you're in school or something. You're like, oh, I'm busy, so I like can't do this, especially when you would be like, oh no, we need to go to the church and like, I don't know, get something done and just be like, oh my gosh, but I got like this and this and this that I got to do. And it's so easy to get bogged down with all that, um, especially for Sunday mornings, because back then I needed to do both uh the morning and or well, the first morning and the second morning, but I would come back from like really late nights on Saturday, so just be like super tired. And I'm just like, oh, I'm tired, like, and I'd essentially give myself a pass on like not doing something with my full effort. But I think the more that you step kind of into maturity and responsibility within your own life and understanding that everything that you do is a product of your own actions and and your intentionality and doing that towards something, that you can reframe how you live just by the attitude that you approach it with. So, in the same way that we're talking about like servitude, if you do things with a servant's heart and a genuine intentionality to do that for the good of the other people, then that's a much greater reward than if you're doing it just because you feel like you need to do it or you feel like, oh, this is all coming back to me anyway, so that's why I'm gonna do it. Um, and I think within the last few years, I've I've especially realized that is like just really doing it for the sake of the overall benefit of what it of what it is and doing it for other people. Um even when I'm asked to do something that might be uncomfortable for me or that I could just be like, oh yeah, no, I'd rather take a nap or go back to sleep, do something like that. Um the benefit that it pays to other people, especially within a church-related context, and the fruits that are carried forward within that regard are invaluable. And you'll never know it potentially on this side of heaven.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:57

So it's great. It's a good word, man. One word to leave the podcast, Gagely. Um periwinkle. Hang us in a class. Serve Jav Corbin. Uh intentionality. And I'll say upward. The Lord be with us. Thank you so much for being a part of the collective. Much love to you, wherever you are.