CIA Tracing NEPHILIM GENES? | CRNRSTN Collective - Episode 36

In this episode, the host J, along with co-hosts Javan and Angus discuss the ongoing UFO file discussion and release from the government and the ramifications it has on the discussion of fallen angels. This also couples with the recent hint at the CIA using 23 and Me as a basis for mapping out family trees of the Nephilim and then hunting after their family members. The trio also talk about the use of Christian imagery in sports advertisements around stars like Wemby and the Champions League. They also take a look at Russia banning Satanism in their country as well as supposed Church planters seeking to establish a congregation on GTA. In the world of AI, the three of them walk through Pope Leo's address against the use of AI, the response of college students against AI, Artisan running an ad campaign saying "stop hiring humans", and a Chinese pet translator now being available for purchase. Finally, the group talks about the importance of life groups in stirring community engagement amongst the Body of Christ and overcoming your past amidst your walk with Christ.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_07 0:00

Hello, friends, and welcome to the Cornerstone Collective Podcast. I'm Jay Brown, your host. Today with me is Angus McLeod.

SPEAKER_03 0:05

Hey, hey.

SPEAKER_07 0:06

As well as Javen Brown. Hello, hello. We're jumping right into our seven C's, and those are commitment, community, communication, competence, creativity, compassion, and celebration. Talking about commitment, we're jumping off with the scripture from Acts 2, 4. Angus, do you read it for us, please?

SPEAKER_01 0:22

And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance. Acts 2, 4.

SPEAKER_07 0:31

Amen. So we've been talking about our commitment to Christ, and we recently here at Cornerstone been talking about Pentecost. Uh guys, what's that been like for you?

SPEAKER_05 0:41

Oh, I mean, for me it was amazing. Like I think the two times where I probably get the most emotional, just as a person in general, are during Good Friday and during Pentecost because when the spirit is working and you truly feel like the magnitude of everything that's that's been gone through, especially on those two days, there's such like a heaviness on your heart, but also like just an overwhelming outpouring of the spirit that happens at the exact same time. And it's just incredible for me. I always start crying. It's like pretty much the only time I ever really cry. I don't really cry like much at all, except for whenever I'm in service like that. So this um this was great. Um, especially when Papa like came over to me and started praying for me. I thought that was really cool. Uh, but yeah, I I had an amazing Pentecost Sunday, so I thought it was awesome.

SPEAKER_07 1:24

Uh Papa in reference before we go to Angus is the founding pastor of Cornerstone, uh Rich Brown.

SPEAKER_01 1:30

Uh for me, Pentecost, I always think of Pentecost as kind of like our Super Bowl. Yeah. You know, because it's it's a big time of year, it's what makes us different, it marks us. And not growing up in Pentecost, uh it was something that I was a little bit hesitant at first, but now it's one of those things, man. I get so excited about it. Um and uh and what's cool about Pentecost is that it you can always go deeper. Yeah. And uh, and so it's a constant step up in your in your level on your journey with Christ. And I just I love it. It's um because other people are more open to it, just like during Easter, we see more people coming to church. Uh, people are more receptive to the Holy Spirit. I think during the that season of Pentecost, and uh, I think the Holy Spirit just needs permission and and an invitation to come in, and I think that's a great time for the invite.

SPEAKER_07 2:20

Yeah, I agree. I it's one of those things that I'm I'm with you. You know, it's it's twofold as a pastor. Like, you know, Pentecost is what makes us Pentecostal. We believe in the empowerment of the Holy Spirit to live every day for him. Uh, we believe in in speaking tongues and and about the gifts of the spirit, um, but we believe in an order with those things, and I think that's the problem sometimes that things are done out of order or they're done in a very kind of dramatic way that's bringing attention to the person instead of to the power of the spirit that's working through them. And so there is kind of a give and take that comes with that. But you know, I'll say I would rather um I would rather give the opportunity for people to really draw close to him than worry about some weirdness that might happen because we're we're willing to address that and talk to those things and bring it to right in alignment. But yeah, very thankful. I agree with both of you guys. It was really highlight for me, very thankful. I also had a good friend that came for the first time to church for service, and that was really cool. So I had some good good moments kind of back to back on that day. Um, it was weird. I I had, you know, before I spoke, um, this last four Pentecost Sunday, um man, just was up since three o'clock in the morning. Just one of those things where I couldn't shut down and wrestling with a lot of stuff that's going on. And so just praying, just giving to the Lord and said, Lord, this is your day. It's always been your day, it's your church. You know, like what do you want to say to your people? And so we just felt it was a really powerful time. We had a lot of people, altars were full of people coming and connecting with the Lord. So very thankful for that. Um reference, as we talked about in Acts 2, is the outpouring of the Holy Spirit upon the church. Uh, we see, you know, Jesus in his fulfillment of uh of the cross and taking all of our sin and shame and taking those things and being our propitiation of for our sin and the concepts of what he has done as being the one who has become all these things for us and made a way so that his holiness is seen instead of our frailty and brokenness. Amazing. Um, and as we see that it says that the the veil of the Holy of Holies was ripped in two, making an openness of God's Spirit being poured out, not contained in a building, not contained in the ark or in some kind of thing, and not that it ever was, but his presence was there physically in a tangible way on earth, but now upon the heads of every single person as they're empowered by the Spirit. And just a really cool moment. And I'm very thankful that we have had that opportunity. Looking forward to this next week as we're recording this podcast. Actually, Angus can be speaking for us and excited for that, man, for the word that God's given you.

SPEAKER_01 4:32

Absolutely. Me too.

SPEAKER_07 4:33

Very, very cool. Hey, some of the things we've been talking about is our commitment to God despite the culture around us, and we have some crazy banger uh conversational pieces to talk about out today. Um, true to everything weird and form in life, uh, the government, as we've already talked about, they released some UFO information and their files on from them, from the CIA, which is a really weird website to go to, by the way. So if you ever just want to, you know, be tracked for the rest of your life, go ahead and go there. Um, as I have. But uh man, they're releasing all these documents and just dropping all these video files and stuff, and it's going really, it's popping a lot in in social media and on the news. Um, seeing all these classified docs come alive. You guys seen some of this, Javen? What do you think? Yeah, a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 5:18

It is it is pretty crazy. Like the more that comes out about it and about the classifications that they have for certain like UFO sightings or alien sightings that people have been saying, whether it is like reptilians or things like insectoids and grays and things like that.

SPEAKER_02 5:32

Right.

SPEAKER_05 5:32

Um, it's all kind of affirmation of like what has been super like tinfoil hat things that have dated back to, I would say, probably like the 80s is when they got really mainstream about like aliens actually being real and reptilian people existing and like the elites controlling a whole bunch of things. It's all kind of seemingly being put into one nice narrative now. And a lot of people are starting to ask questions about how certain um stories that even some of like the people that have interacted with other people in Hollywood, whether they've said like someone, even for just a moment, appear to them like a reptile, like some of the accounts that we've read about like Jeffrey Epstein and things like that during um intercourse and certain things like that, where they will flash like an image of like a snake or like a lizard or something like that. Um I mean, it is all affirmation of our understanding of how the portrayal of spiritual beings, especially demons, have been, and how it also affirms it to be in revelation, things like dragons, um, or mythologically, what's always been viewed as like a dragon or a huge snake that's flown in the sky that we seem to have dismissed for the last hundred years for no apparent reason, despite them being uh continuously cited within like documents that have dated back the last like two, three thousand years, whether it be here, whether it be in Greece, whether it be in China, whether it be in Africa, things like that. So I think it's funny that um the world now that's so like enveloped in science and so enveloped in all these logical explanations that things are finally returning to like a more open approach to understanding the idea of spiritualism as a whole and the fact that the world isn't just based on like one reaction leading to another, but that there is really something else going on behind the scenes that we can't see.

SPEAKER_07 7:10

Yeah, it's an interesting toss-up because we've talked about how we, from our perspective, we very much see these things as spiritual entities. We see this as fallen, fallen beings and uh demonic and working in that direction. Uh, we see a lot of people in science within the government saying that, siding with that. Others are saying, no, these are extraterrestrials from other places that came and seeded life here and did all these other things. So there's two distinct narratives within the Christian space that are being talked about from this perspective. Um, interestingly, as well, and Javen, you kind of alluded to it a little bit, but um, things like Diary of a CEO, Daily Mail, Fox News, they all had different things where they were talking about a CIA scientist who claimed that there were the four types of these aliens that are there: grays, Nordics, reptilians, insectoids that are that are living underground, that are living amongst us, they're doing this, they're doing that. I think what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 7:59

Uh I think that, you know, like we've talked about, they're all demons, it's just how they're presenting themselves. Yeah, I agree. You know, and so I think that it's it's interesting that uh we we want to classify it and all that, but at the end of the day, that's really what it is, is demonic activity. And so uh so we just have to be prepared no matter what shape and form it it comes in.

SPEAKER_07 8:20

Yeah, that's that's the right idea, I think, is for us to be very aware of what who we are in God and what he has said about us, and knowing that um, you know, he's a creative God who's created other beings. We know this within the narrative of creation that we see within what's there and the talking about these heavenly hosts and different things. So we very much understand how they've come here and how they've um you know inter the interbred essentially with humans, and then we would, you know, of course, it's logical that they would be able to do that with other things too. And so it doesn't take me by surprise that they would be, you know, like in you know, reptilian looking. Maybe that's from from what they look like as they're created that way, or if they've been mixed in with this way and it's that way, that they would have tech. You know, we don't think about spiritual beings use using tech, but if they're a physical being having been connected to here, it would make all logical sense that they would be using tech. So whether or not they that's us and it's all like you know, shadow conspiracy of them doing that, you know. We have to have our tinfoil's at hats on for quite a bit in this talk today. But you know, it's one of these things where it's hard to put parameters on. You know, a lot of people, especially I mean, recently, there's people like filming out of their plane window, seeing these things fly by their plane. Um, there was a there was in the Philippines just recently in the last two weeks, there was an eruption of a volcano, and this big massive meteor-looking thing flashed down, hits down, and then this little probe comes up, it's flying around in a circle, and there's just a person on a phone recording. I'm like, this is crazy, man. Yeah. So, you know, um, there is obviously something happening, and I think the clarity on that will give us a better picture of what it is. Um, I think it does tie and gives, you know, all the conspiracy theorists out there like a lot of clout now because it's like, I've been saying this, like to Javen's point, you know, like I told you, I told you this is this way. And it's like, hey, listen, a piece of this truth is true in all these places. They're gonna blow it out on one end to Angus's point before we've been talking on podcasts where they'll they'll show, hey, this is what we're doing, or you know, they'll depict it as vampires or something where people are actually doing ceremonies of drinking blood, or they'll depict it as this when really it's this other thing. So they're always gonna push to see what they can get. And I think that any andor all of this stuff is spiritual. And so I see it from that perspective.

SPEAKER_01 10:25

Absolutely. You know, I mean, we look back at uh you even looking back at the ancient technologies and stuff, we can't recreate how they got stones to be so close together that they're basically almost laser cut uh that you can't fit a credit card between the stones of the pyramids and things. So there has been uh alien or angel technology fallen angel technology. Uh in fact, I've listened to a few podcasts that have have talked about that. Yep, I think that back in the day people were just more receptive to it. And so I think uh again, you know, I mentioned it before that Satan is a master at packaging, and so he'll come to you in whatever way that you'll accept. And so I think that now, you know, because people are so distanced from the uh from the spiritual world, especially here in the West, um, that aliens though make sense because we've been primed with it since kids through Hollywood and and all of this stuff. Um and so I don't think that the the alien technology has necessarily stopped. And uh some of the things that I've heard, it's basically like this is just the way that they deliver to you. So we open packages on Christmas, right? Uh the military opens packages that fell into the desert. Yeah, you know, and so I that's kind of how I see it is they're they're just that's their delivery method to get it into our system and get us to start looking at it. And if you call it this versus that, well, we can study this where you know people are more hesitant to study uh demonology and things like that. Uh, but when it comes in the form of uh a gray, then it becomes something different. Because now it's scientific, quote unquote. Exactly.

SPEAKER_07 12:02

Right, right. And that's and I think it's a hard thing because you know what what we're talking about is is intersecting Christ with culture and the concept of living for Christ, um, understanding that we need to be more like Jesus, we're gonna mess up, we need to ask for forgiveness and get back on the horse and go. And after, you know, and following after Jesus. But as we deal with some of these things, it does start to put you know questions, it puts doubt in some people's minds. For me, it's the opposite, it kind of reinforces my faith in God. I'm like, listen, of course, people are gonna try and take this kind of approach or that kind of approach. This has always been what it is. Um, and so we see that very clearly now, and it's start to really come alive where it's like, hey, this is what this is. Interestingly, because some of the stuff is leaked, it's all through the CAA site and through other pieces that are being revealed. There was a former CIA scientist who was talking about these very things, about the different four types of of them. And so, from a scientific perspective, they're saying that that's what he saw, and that's his obviously that's what he's taking. And you have other guys who are in the Joe Rogan universe talking about Bob Lazar and guys like that who have claimed to work on crafts and other people. This guy's talking about working with the actual, you know, uh tissues of these things or whatever. And so you see it like that, but they're also claiming that now the CIA has backdoored into some of these these companies like 23andMe, where you're doing your cheek swab to find out about your genealogy, and they're using that data to see if there are stuff that they've identified in non-human kind of tissues that would be in our DNA strands and stuff like that. So that's an interesting, they're essentially hunting genes linked to aliens. Yeah. Java, what do you think, man?

SPEAKER_05 13:33

Oh no, I I mean, that makes complete sense to me. Like as soon as you figure out any sort of Nephilim family tree that you can, or anything that's linked to, I don't know, something that they deem to be an alien or whatever they tag it as, right? You would logically just want to follow that family path to see kind of where their money's going, or to see like the intellect, or see like some of the traits that the family tends to pick up. Because not only does it help you garner like a further understanding for a government perspective, but it also helps you understand kind of if there's like a greater thing going on between if there's like one family here that seems to be coming from there and then and then there's another family there, but then they interlink like across business relationships or across like family lineage, like one marries another, then there really is kind of like a a revelation of something that is underlying and like almost non-human about it, which I mean is what they're studying.

SPEAKER_07 14:23

So yeah, you know, from a uh Christiological perspective, we definitely believe in the creator God and we believe in his creation. Um, we we don't embrace uh the concept of evolution from a single cell organism forward. We believe that God created different things, and and I think we can pretty clearly define that and understand that it's like, you know, we see the gin the you know the genetic modifications of like, you know, we talk about an A-B where it's like a parent has brown hair, a parent is blonde, and you know, what kids what will come out of that? We understand that. We understand that as we're doing breeding of different types of animals and things like that. So it would only make sense that if you were a spiritual being that had the ability to do something like this and you were nefarious, then you would go and do these things to make you know, strength or or intelligence or whatever it would be that would be the attributes that you're looking for in trying to create something that's you know to try to usurp God and his position of a creator and to try to take that perspective. So it makes sense that they would try to do these things and and kind of lean into it. So it makes it hard because you know, it's like, well, there was always a nefarious side of 23andMe, you know, when you swab your cheek, it's like, well, now they have your genetic code, and you know, not to be like the like we said, tinfold hat, but we see these movies like James Bond, was it Spectre or something where they have everyone's genetic code and that they spray a mist and only the people whose code is in it die? And so it's like, oh great, yeah, oh, we're all mapped, wonderful, yeah. You know, so there is a piece of that that you know that we don't have to need we don't walk in fear, we're not living in fear, that's ridiculous. But you know, you're like, okay, yeah, they're they're telling us something, like there's some some mindset here where it's like, oh, we're this is a plot in a movie. No, it's like no, we're working towards this, yeah, or we can do this, yeah, which is a really different thing altogether. Yeah, thoughts?

SPEAKER_01 16:05

Well, I think uh the Bible says, as in the days of Noah, you know, it we're gonna see it again. And uh I think that because uh because the enemy, because Satan has has time on his side, you know, it's not like he's in any rush to get this done, um other than beating you know Christ to the table kind of thing. Um but we know that there was interbreeding and and all of that stuff, which is what led up to uh Nephilim, yeah, and the and the flood and all of that. And so to to think the game uh plan is any different, just the the methodology again, the way that they do it and how it's being done, but I I think that uh that's ultimately what they're trying to do is eliminate as much humanity as possible, yeah. You know, and get us uh get humanity to a place where um they where free will and all of that is no longer an option, eliminating God and and all of this uh for control because ultimately that's what his goal is, is to separate man from God and and to take as many people with him to hell as as he can. And so uh I kind of see that as the underlying theme. And so by whatever means necessary, it's not like uh there's a Geneva convention between us and the satanic realm. Of course. You know, it there's not a line that they won't cross. Um and so because of that, they're they're using whatever means, and as our technology gets further and further, I don't see this slowing down, but again, speeding up.

SPEAKER_07 17:33

No, exactly right. You know, to that point, um you're saying there's there there's no like you know agreement between us and the satanic realm. Um, you know, China uh, you know, we we talked about how different people like you know, China kinds of being more on the banning of the religion side. They've obviously loosened up, but um still some action there, some action of different ones. Russia's taking a different stance, man. They've decided that they're just making Satanism completely illegal, and they're saying that if you are a Satan worshipper, you can get convicted of eight years in prison. Yeah, dude, that's crazy. Yeah, here's the deal. Like, obviously, we're not for Satanism at all. Right, but it's crazy as far as like religious freedom goes, man. Like that, I don't I don't like that because from my perspective, they would turn and do the exact same thing to us. Yeah. So it's not that I'm for Satanism at all, clearly as a Christ follower, but from a religious, religious standpoint, I'm like, ooh, the same sword. There's another side of that sword, bro. So watch out.

SPEAKER_01 18:29

Well, with that, you know, the reasons that they do it is because they say that Satanism is violent and and all of the things that we know it to be, uh, but that's from the leadership's perspective.

SPEAKER_06 18:40

Right.

SPEAKER_01 18:40

And so what's to stop the the a change in leadership becoming exactly what you're saying? That once the precedent is set and everybody gets in line with, oh yeah, let's ban that one, sure. But then once the leadership changes, we know that um again, that's biblical, that the leader will drive the culture of um uh of the country and stuff. And so we we've seen that when when our presidents uh basically ban outlaw and won't speak from the from their podium about Jesus. We see it happen in culture that you know now you can't say Merry Christmas or this or that. And uh we've seen that over the the last few leadership changes in a really big way, where maybe it was a little more subtle in previous decades and and time eras.

SPEAKER_05 19:26

That's right, Jabo. Well, honestly, like I don't really think this is that big of a problem for them to for them to do what you're talking about as far as abandon Satanism. I just think the only reason why it is a uh it is a problem at all is because of how tied in the Russian leadership claims to be to um to orthodoxy within that part of the region. Because if that's the image that you're setting for what orthodoxy is moving forward, as far as like from a nationalistic perspective, then you're essentially just treating it like a militant force. Like if Putin is is out there participating in every single um in every single thing that they do for all these Orthodox holidays, especially within Russia, and then he's also like claiming to be an adamant follower at the same time, um, even if that'd be like from a cultural perspective, it's still deeply embedded within the heart of the Slavic and Russian people, then moving forward, they kind of just use that as like an affirmation to say, okay, well, as long as we're supporting this regime that's also united under one religion, then what we're doing isn't wrong so long as we do it to these people. But then it's essentially validify or validating anything that they're doing as far as like killing off opposition, stuff that Putin has been doing for decades.

SPEAKER_07 20:34

So you're alluding to, but not necessarily saying that they could use this as a weapon to say, oh, well, Ukraine is actually Satan worshippers or whoever are actually Satan worshippers, and so we're gonna come against that.

SPEAKER_05 20:44

Well, no, that's not what I'm implying. I'm just saying it's the same logic behind like what the Catholic Church said as far as the crusades. Like the crusades was really just kind of an excuse for people to go out and like take whatever they wanted and do whatever they wanted under the guise of it being for the expansion of and like returning to having the Holy Land be under Christian rule, yeah. Whereas that wasn't really what they were fighting for. It was more just so that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_07 21:10

People have forget that it was always nation states warring against each other. Yeah, the Muslims have come and take it from them, they came and fought it back, took it back from them, they took it and came and take it back again, and then later, much later during the Ottoman Empire, they were able to go and push them out of Spain and these other places because it was always about power. It wasn't about now the motivator could be religion, meaning like, oh, we gotta take this away from these people who are a they, but it was really about power, not about necessarily the religious factor of it.

SPEAKER_05 21:36

No, exactly. And I just think like, um, if they continue to do that, and with orthodoxy being like, as far as if you like take a stance back from another religion, if you're like atheist or even Muslim, the things that they do are very devout in their practice and they're very regimented in everything that they do, as far as like the way that their prayers work, the way that they're fasting and um and like even some of the holidays that they have set up for like them and the Coptic people and things like that. Different regions of the world. But if if it kind of just tends to be toward like being a militant force, what does that say about Christianity as a whole if that continues to rise within that part of the world and that's like a dominant force as far as if Russia continues to maintain the world power that they do have, then if they're so tied in orthodoxy within that way, what does that say about Christianity as a whole as it kind of bleeds into the rest of the world?

SPEAKER_07 22:22

So yeah, it's an interesting conversation for sure. Uh obviously, you know, having Satanism be illegal, not against that concept because of all the negative that comes to it. But I just thought, man, like eight years in prison is a long time.

SPEAKER_02 22:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 22:33

You know, to have something like that. I thought it'd be more of a lesser crime, you know what I mean, kind of a thing. Now, if it's tied to doing other things, well then you would get in trouble for those things. If you're sacrificing somebody, you're doing something crazy. Obviously, those are already illegal. So that's not even the question. So that's why I've been just just for being a Satanist, eight years is a long time. And that's what I really meant by that. Was like, you know, it's it works well, it's another person until it's towards you. Right. But if they're like tomorrow, they're like, you know what, who's really dangerous? Pentecostals. Yeah. And you're like, uh-oh, and suddenly it comes for you. And so, you know, it's that one thing where it's like, you know, um, just thinking about that in context to ourselves and thankful for religious freedom because we can come and say these things like we are right now without worrying about, you know, the FBI coming to kicking our doors. Although that's starting to change in in Canada, and you were talking about that a little bit earlier, Javen, like about the the or Angus, you were talking about about that guy that was getting arrested in Canada, and that's really interesting.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

Yeah, well, the one last thing on that that I think too is we've seen that when the church is is repressed and and all of that, we see it grow. Yeah, and so I'm curious, like years down the road, what's gonna happen with this? You know, is it just gonna force that church to be underground and continue to and we know, you know, again, that the the demonic doesn't play fair. For sure. And so if secret club, yeah, yeah. And so is it will it become just a different problem, but under the surface, that is maybe harder to police and all of that. The actions aren't gonna change, the the things that they do aren't necessarily gonna change, but will it be labeled as something else? Will it will this cause the satanic church to grow? Is my question.

SPEAKER_07 24:12

That's a very interesting idea. Shifting gears a little bit, we talked about um this idea of the uh faith in culture, and one of the things that we saw uh it's the NBA playoffs uh when we're recording this podcast, and so we have some teams that are kind of in the in the end of that with New York and um with the Spurs and some others, and so it was really interesting uh because in San Antonio, where the Spurs are from, there is a group of nuns that go to the basketball games, and they have been seen to kind of sit lower and they actually wear Spurs jerseys, even though they're wearing their uh they'll wear their whole outfit and then a Spurs jersey over, which is pretty a crazy look. But um they'll pray for their uh for some of the players, and that's kind of there's some pictures have been taken of that during these playoffs. Uh Nike, I think is from Nike, was what we seen rolled out with Complex and other people kind of quoting that. They did a star, they did a run of ads with the star Wimby, who's uh an amazing basketball player, and he plays for them, and it's a whole bunch of nuns with Wimby, and this is stop him, just pray, which I thought was a really interesting take and a way to like tie the nuns into basketball. What did you guys think?

SPEAKER_05 25:16

Uh I I thought it was really funny, and it reminded me a lot of uh what they did in Pittsburgh during the the NFL playoffs last season, where they had a bishop before the game. Um, I think it would it was the 17th week of the NFL or 18th week of the NFL. They had one game versus the Ravens. If the Ravens won, then they would go through to the playoffs, and if the Steelers won, then they would go through to the playoffs. It was like for the division or whatever. Um, and they had a bishop that was like praying over the Steelers end zone where all the fans were, and I think he was like salting it as well or throwing or like pouring holy water over it, something like that. Um, and that was the end zone where uh where they missed their field goal to in order for the Steelers to go through and win. They got first rounded, so I mean they lost anyway, but uh it was just really funny. Yeah, and it reminded me a lot of that. So I thought it was I thought it was pretty funny. Um but yeah, I mean there's not really like it's not like one team's gonna outpray the other team and like win, but it is like it is about more I think prayer does work within the sense of like reminding you and grounding you of why you're doing it, and also kind of just as a um like especially for protection and things like that, because sometimes you get so in your own head and think like, oh, you're invincible, like I'm I'll be totally fine, I can keep running forever. Um, and then you get injured, and then your career can get derailed, or then you're like then you get humble back to reality and you're like, Oh, I'm also a human.

SPEAKER_07 26:36

Which is why it's so important to have the concept of your faith in Christ be the center of what you're doing and not something else. So and it doesn't really tie that Wimby is of faith one way or the other, but it just has him in the ads with these ladies. That was really interesting from that perspective. I was like, man, that's that's pretty bold, pretty interesting. Hey, so people that are using their testimony for faith is actually uh two amazing soccer clubs, and then our PSG, it's Paris Saint-Germain, and Arsenal out of London in the UK. Both of them won their uh their um national trophies for for the Premier League, for Arsenal, for League 1, for PSG, and so now they are playing in the Champions League, and they've gone all the way to the very end. They are both in the final, and so they're gonna be playing in Budapest this coming weekend. Javen is wearing, if you can't see this, Javen is wearing a PHG kit. That is the people we support. So alle leu. But um, pretty awesome because both clubs have a bunch of players in them that are Christ followers and having Bible studies. Have you seen this, Jabo?

SPEAKER_05 27:34

Yeah, yeah, it's pretty cool. Um, the Arsenal picture, I mean, I think Arsenal just upsets me in general, but that is cool that they're doing that. Um and I I think it's really cool because a lot of football players that we are seeing now are being very vocal about their faith. I know Desiree Dewey, who's like one of the biggest stars on PSG, has been extremely vocal about it for a long time. Yep. He's like 20, 21. So he's like a rising young star in the game, and he's also being extremely adamant about it, which I think is such an encouragement to a lot of people that are kind of also in the same age bracket or my age or even like a little bit older in some cases, that are watching him just do incredible things on a weekly basis and then give all the glory back to God. And even on his Instagram, he's posting like pretty much every single day about it, which is really cool. Um, really cool that they're doing Bible studies. I know like even when we went to tour the Barcelona Stadium, and I think even at the Real Madrid Stadium, too, they have like their own uh what is the name of it? They have it on like naval ships and stuff like that, too. It's like a chapel, too. Yeah, like a chapel. But I think for them it um they also have like it's it's uh developed around Catholicism because they have like an actual bishop that comes in and does like mass form. Um because they typically will play on like Saturday or Sundays, but I just think it's really cool that so many of those clubs have that faith base tied into them. Um what even if it is cultural, at least it's a ground point for people to actually begin like a deepening of their own personal relationship with God and and really coming into understanding of who Christ is. So that's really cool in that regard.

SPEAKER_07 28:56

And I, you know, it's amazing to see like these pictures of these guys holding their Bibles have gone viral, both in PSG and uh in Arsenal, a whole bunch of guys together holding their Bible in the locker room. Pretty cool to see that as a as an idea. You're you don't follow soccer as well as that, but pretty amazing for these guys to live their testimony out loud.

SPEAKER_01 29:13

Yeah, I and that's what I think it is uh with with all this stuff where Christ intersects uh with sports. It's not necessarily that God has a favorite team or that he's rooting for one versus another, but except PSG, but yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 29:26

I'm with you, I'm with you, I'm with you.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

But the fact that they are using their platform uh to build the kingdom and and for kingdom purposes, I think that's what's really important is you know you can pray for your team and all of that, but I think that it is really neat when um when it becomes more about promoting the Lord uh as a result of your um as a result of your success, other than self-promotion because of your success.

SPEAKER_07 29:48

Absolutely. Yeah, that's great. Uh our friend of ours, uh Kaden, shout out to him from Radiant Church here in Phoenix Metro at a surprise. Uh he was recently speaking in the UK up in Liverpool area. That's his club that he supports, is Liverpool. And so uh he was there, got a chance to be there with his wife, uh, and his son. Uh I think maybe Adam, probably their daughter as well, but uh had his son Nash there, and Nash got to give like a high five or a pound to um Muhammad Salah, which is a player that was uh is a really good player out of out of Egypt. So when we were living in Egypt, he's like the rock star, star of soccer for there. Uh we actually were at places where he was at, um, but an amazing, an amazing guy, and a cool thing for those guys who experienced. I thought that was really cool. I was like, let's go, boy, even though I cheer against your team. I think it's great. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's like I'm excited for him. So I love those kind of things where people are using their faith uh and getting interacted in those kind of things and uh getting to connect. I think it's loving.

SPEAKER_02 30:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 30:41

So cool. Hey, uh, a really cool thing, it's kind of a creative trick that we saw from a neurologist. They're talking about trying to lower cortisol and how a lot of people they're obviously taking pills for that and things like that because of anxiety or stress or other stuff. And he says that you can actually do a trick where you stick your tongue out for 40 seconds and it will remove cortisol faster than pills that you take. And so, as I was reading this thing, of course, I was trying it sometimes sitting there reading this thing, sticking my tongue out for 40 seconds. Uh, I don't know if it's more just because you get out of your head because you're thinking about your tongue sticking out or what, but there's something going on. I don't know. What about that? Angus, what did you try?

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Well, you know, I did try it. Um, but also because I love biology, I love studying this kind of stuff. Uh, I find it really interesting. Um I I think if you point back to the Bible, life and death is in the power of the tongue. Ooh, I like that. Yeah, Pentecost, baby. Come on. So there is more, there is more to it, and we are so much more connected, uh, and there's so much more to our biology than I think we we realize. Um, I've been studying fascia and and how it affects uh your body's connective tissues. Yeah, everything that connects in the body. Um because when I first started uh in massage, I did that it was uh I was taught that that's what the doctors cut through to get to what they want to in surgery. Uh but since 2018 and and even a little bit before then, there's become a lot of research coming out. So uh there's actually a fascial release technique that you do where you take your you pull on your tongue and you twist it and stuff. And um, and because that fascia is attached to the hyoid bone and and other parts, uh it it does a lot of things uh for the vagus nerve, which is one of the biggest nerves in your body that um and so there's there's a lot of really interesting stuff that's connected with with the tongue and and all of that. Uh I've seen some videos where uh because in fascial release, when you do that, uh you're releasing a lot of the um the trauma, the emotions and stuff that are stored within the tissues. And so I've seen some really interesting uh release videos where uh once you you get your fascia tightened to a certain point and then you twist it just a little more, uh the emotional releases that come from from these are incredible. People crying and stuff? Yeah, really absolutely losing it. Some people will laugh uncontrollably, really, uh, which is because it's a it's a trauma response. And so, you know, we say muscle memory and all of that. Well, uh through my studying and and what the Lord has showed me, that's that's really where a lot of that stuff is stored, is in our fascia because it connects all of our tissues. And so um so I I can see uh from this study specifically, but uh there's a lot of power in in different things like that. And so um it it said that uh doing that sticking your tongue out is actually just as effective as meditation and and things like that, too, which is was wild.

SPEAKER_07 33:31

Man, maybe that Javen, what do you think? That's why Jordan was so good in the in coming in into the into the key, he had that tongue out, yeah. It's like no stress, baby about to dominate. Yeah, something like that.

SPEAKER_05 33:40

Did you try it when you read it? No, I I haven't tried it yet, but I probably will at some point. I think it's really cool. And to Angus's point, like it is it is interesting how just like relaxing your muscles and like almost relieving yourself of of like that stress that's like physiologically built within you because of like just wear and tear and things like that, but also like trauma responses that you'll have under certain circumstances, like even tensing up your muscles or something like that, just because of what you're doing with your tongue, how it's like loosening where most of your chronic tension is stored like in your mouth and around your head, too. That's really interesting to me. So I I would have like never gotten to this conclusion myself. So I think I think it is really cool to see that somebody tried this and studied it, and I think they lowered their cortisol by like it was like a let me see, yeah, eleven uh I don't know what this uh the unit is what the unit is, but it was like or by nine or something like that, so it's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_07 34:33

So it would just be part of uh the your generation's look looks maxing where they're trying to get their jawline and now now their tongue to be like all part of their looks maxing.

SPEAKER_05 34:41

I mean I mean maybe I I wouldn't say it's looks maxing, it's probably just like health maxing low cortis, yeah, health maxing, low cortisol maxing, something like that.

SPEAKER_07 34:49

Uh that that whole terminology is funny. I mean, I get it, I understand it, um, you know, uh, but really funny to do. Uh, but yeah, if you find yourself sticking your tongue out and as you're listening to this podcast or watch this podcast, shout out to you. I've definitely been doing it. I was doing it as an talking, we're doing different things, trying it out. But yeah, pretty fun, man, to see. Like, okay, what's about this? It's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 35:09

Well, but they said that 40 seconds is kind of the marker. So under that, you don't get the benefit and things like that.

SPEAKER_07 35:14

Uh and 40 seconds is a long time when you're sticking your tongue out. It's a long time.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

It is. Um, you know, but along with that, I've seen they've been doing studies on hugs. You know, we're people that we love to hug and and all of that. Um similarly, once you go 30, if you have a hug, you only start getting the biological benefit after 30 seconds. So um, so a quick hug is great, you know, but it it has very similar effects when uh to sticking your tongue out, and is when you have these uh when you have these connections with people that last 30 seconds and above, that's when your brain really starts to release uh all of the the different chemicals and hormones, and so there's a biological benefit to connection.

SPEAKER_07 35:56

Is that why we're always trying to, you know, uh we see teenagers trying to like snuggle up like they're in knots, like they're pretzels or something?

SPEAKER_01 36:02

I don't know if that's necessarily the reason. I think that there are some other hormonal things going on in that case, but uh but there is a biological benefit to that kind of thing.

SPEAKER_07 36:12

In an appropriate manner, you could have a 40-second hug. It let's be a blessing to you. I've you know I've heard that. Uh they were talking about remember when you're talking about relationships and hacking the relationship to looks maxing, relationship maxing. Uh, they're saying if you it was it was uh it was always be touching ABT, right? But they also said to sit into like to look into a person's face. It was like for minutes. And it's like because it it's that long time that connects you to the person and that connection, like physical connection. So it makes sense, you know what I mean? That you would do that. You know, Celeste and I because we we got married, I was East Pastor. We really tried to model to the kids no PDA, like published space of defection, because that was we we had we're you know we're ministering to teenagers, they have no biblical background, so everybody's kind of like hanging on each other and sit on laps and all this other stuff. And so we were trying to help them live for Jesus and keep their clothes on because people magically fall out of their clothes sometimes, it seems. So we're trying to help them live for Christ, and uh, and so we were trying to model that. But it you know, one of the things that backfired a little bit because then it made it awkward for us to hold hands, it felt strange because we were so worried about the optics, and that was kind of dumb. You know, I should have actually done a different path on that. But um, you know, one of the things that Celeste said, she said whenever she was serving in Bangladesh, it's a Muslim country, they don't have PDA later. In Egypt, obviously, we're not walking around holding hands or something like that. But when she was in Bangladesh, she remembers uh some of the missionary couples she was working with at the time who are no longer in that country, they're in a different place, but they were they they walked into the American Club, and as they walked through the doors of the American Club, they reached over and held hands with each other, and she was walking behind them, and she was like, Oh, like she felt like she saw something dirty. Like thinking it was like, oh, like it's too intimate. It's like they're holding hands, yeah. But it was because it you did not see it. So I think that there's something about that need for personal touch, you know, the need to do that. And I don't think that's just a women thing, that's a that's a people thing. And so you'd be surprised, you know, we've we've dealt a lot with some young guys um that have gone through it, and you could tell they don't have that at all. You know, and there's something about even giving somebody, even even if it's not the big long hug, but even giving somebody just an embrace, man, there's something different about that, you know, that it locks in with somebody differently. They're like, Man, you know, I I am interacting with somebody else, I am here physically. That's that's the scariest part about all this AI stuff to me. Yeah, is about that. Where it's like, you know, you're getting set more and more and more separated into your little thing with screens, and it's like, dude, you gotta be out there connected with people. Yeah, you can't just live behind the screen. That's gonna be the that'll be the worst example of of your life ever.

SPEAKER_01 38:40

Yeah, there's some some really interesting studies and and stuff that have come out that even people who are paralyzed, uh, they're because uh there's still connections and things, people will still respond to a touch on uh I believe it's from the the neck down to the waistline, that just simply putting your hand on their shoulder, even though they may not be able to physically feel it, it was stroke victims, uh, that even though they may not be able to physically feel it, their body still reacts to that touch.

SPEAKER_06 39:08

Because the body still responds to that.

SPEAKER_01 39:09

Um and so there's there's a lot to touch. And uh, I was thinking about because I was in massage therapy and I've I come from that world, you know. I was thinking about it as a man, we we typically aren't touched as much because we're not seen as you know, that that kind of thing. And so women are much more affectionate, they they get hugs and stuff. And I was thinking about it one day and I realized outside of the massage space, people don't touch your back. You know, you and you know, a pat on the shoulder, guys will slap each other. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good job. But there's something very powerful about just putting your hand on somebody because it shows support, it shows a lot of other things, and uh something that's just that simple can have a really big effect on people uh because there are so many people who lack, especially I think of our seniors, you know, who maybe they've got family who've moved away now and they're by themselves, they don't experience touch. Yeah, yeah, and so uh biologically and physiologically, there's a lot of things that they're missing out on because they don't receive that. And so that's why appropriate touch is so important because it shows, hey, even though we're, you know, I'm not giving you all these long hugs or anything, we are still connected.

SPEAKER_07 40:17

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

Uh and there's there's something really big to that.

SPEAKER_07 40:20

And I think that makes sense. I mean, you and I probably give, you know, a you know, 50 hugs on a Sunday or something like that because you're just saying hi to all these people, and sometimes you don't see people, you know, even though they might be here, you don't see them because of the crowd size. And so it that's a really cool thing to be able to see. It's like, man, this has a lasting effect. You know, we're talking about as a team, even praying with people, you know, uh, you know, it's especially for things like Pentecost, where you know, um scripture talks about laying out hands and obviously in an appropriate way, but you know, I always like try to do like a shoulder or something like this, or like side of the arm or something. Um, you know, maybe I know somebody, you know, I might like a like a another guy, I might like put my hand like towards their chest or something, but it's one of these things where you know you always want to do that appropriately. But there is something about connecting to a person in that way where it's like, man, I'm agreeing with you, I'm coming alongside you. There's something about that which is really powerful. So physiologically, beyond the spiritual stuff. Absolutely. Praise God.

SPEAKER_01 41:10

But I think that yeah, the things that are in scripture laying on a house. I think that we just we don't necessarily understand the the biological connection that scripture has, and you know, as time progresses, we're seeing more and more uh that that's why it's important, that's why it's in there. And so many of God's principles and things are so so deeply layered that we we look at it on the surface of well, just lay on of hands because of what you know we have see that as like a conduit uh as we're praying, but biologically I think that there's things in there that we just don't understand yet.

SPEAKER_07 41:46

Yeah, that's a great point. I I agree with you. I think that's right on um and you know the Lord give us revelation to understand so that we can have a better experience with that. Praise God. Hey, a little bit back into that tech space, um, we saw some of these guys talking about how they're going to plan to ch plant a church uh in launching in GTA 6, which is a massive title. GTA 5 has been out forever and has a massive following. It's one of the biggest um video games of all time. It's still played even today. Uh GTA 6 is supposed to come out uh two years ago, five years ago, called the years ago, and they keep kind of delaying, delaying, delaying. I think official launch, I thought it was 24, I thought, but maybe I don't know. Maybe we're two years past this, who knows? But um, you know, they're supposed to release this thing. But real Taylor Ransom, which is a guy who posts on social media, um, he uh he is famous for these church security skits. Um, he actually is talking about being one of the people that plant this church and they're gonna call it Vice City Church, which I thought was really interesting. I think the new one is made more about like a Miami thing instead of like a LA instead of LA, but uh maybe this is their Miami campus or whatever. Sounds like uh interesting, you know, it kind of goes back to the roadblocks thing and some of these other things that we've talked about in the past. But um, man, what an interesting thing to be in GTA where you're like robbing, looting, doing whatever you want. You can do lots of stuff that's not violent in the game, but and now you can like fish, you could dive, you can do all sorts of stuff. But what a weird thing to like go and be like, I was at church today. Oh, where you at? I went to Vice City. Yeah, where's Vice City at? Oh, it was on GTA.

unknown 43:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:20

Just like GTA being Grand Theft Auto.

SPEAKER_07 43:23

Grand Grand Theft Auto 6.

SPEAKER_06 43:24

This is the sixth version.

SPEAKER_05 43:25

Yep. So yeah, pretty crazy. JB, what do you think, man? Oh man, like I had my I have my doubts with the Minecraft one, and then I had more doubts with the Robux one. I think this one probably is like the most alarming to me because who's doing it? Dude, the amount of potential for griefing. No, not even like even if they take this as a serious concept, the amount of potential for griefing from public players that like go into a server that they're trying to do, whether it be like even if somehow they have it as like a neutral zone wherever they go, and then you don't have weapons, uh before you get in the doors, people are gonna like blow. Blow up cars, like shoot, shoot people, just like rob and loot, what whatever the thing is, man. But it's like I I think for GTA, this is a very ambitious project. We'll see. Once again, this is kind of it just serving as a starting point for people. It shouldn't be their substitute for church, but it is cool that they're trying to do this nonetheless. I just think uh that the success rate for this is probably the least likely to be high, even in comparison to the Roblox and Minecraft one. So we'll see, we'll see what happens.

SPEAKER_07 44:26

Which those are they have people that attend them and are part part of them, so who knows? And whether or not you know you know, Taylor or others are actually being serious about it or just throwing it out as a meme. Yeah, who knows, man. But it is a funny concept, and it'd be really interesting to see if it really worked. Yeah, Igus, you're a gamer. What do you think about that, man?

SPEAKER_01 44:42

Well, so I've never played uh Grand Theft Auto.

SPEAKER_07 44:44

I might if they put it in uh if they put it in Assassin's Creed, yeah, to go to church.

SPEAKER_01 44:49

Well, that's right.

SPEAKER_07 44:50

There's lots of churches in Assassin's Creed, they're just all old ones in here.

SPEAKER_01 44:53

That's right. Uh, you know, it made me think of uh this this past weekend you were talking about uh the conviction to the Holy Spirit. You know, what a great place to pray for conviction of the Holy Spirit, you know, after you've blown something or somebody up, you've you know, robbed a bank or whatever. Uh so I mean who knows? Maybe you can uh even though it's a digital crime, you know, maybe you could pray conviction over those people who are committing these digital crimes and they they feel like they need to go to a digital church, and that digital church could be the you know, the the toe hold that the Lord needs to really get into their lives. So you never know.

SPEAKER_07 45:28

That's it. We don't do confessional in the same way as like the Catholics, but you can imagine someone coming in and be like, bless me, Father, for I've sinned. I stole someone's crypto, I blew up some stuff, I did a bunch of things. You're like, oh man. Yeah, this is rough. Can we get one of those AI guys in here to get into what you can say too?

SPEAKER_01 45:44

Oh my gosh, you know, which is even worse. But if there's a place that needs a church, it's definitely Grand Theft Auto.

SPEAKER_07 45:50

Very good point. That's right. Yeah, man. Heaven help us. Uh, and very interestingly, we've been talking about how some of these um these women who were an ex-witch have come to Jesus. We've had several different videos of them breaking down how they would do spells or cast spells on people and what that looks like, giving us real insight into witchcraft, especially um into the kind of what's gr that's risen up, has started to become popular amongst young women, which is some of this this witchy casting of spells and doing these type of stuff. Um, one of these ex-witches, she actually did a breakdown scene by scene through some of Taylor Swift's uh videos. And she was saying that there was lots of witchcraft inside of Taylor Swift's videos. Taylor Swift's also said how much she loves Stevie Nicks, who is a known witch, and about like seeing some of this imagery. I know others have said the same, and so they've had that same kind of deal. And so this witch is saying this ex-witch is saying she's a sister in Christ. She's saying that no, this is very much this, and she's giving this is in the video, this is in the video. These are all casting spells. This is all this stuff. What do you guys think about that, Javen? What do you think?

SPEAKER_05 46:53

I mean, I uh this doesn't really surprise me because I think a lot of people that are tending to top the charts, there's a lot of like definitely questions of why they use specific imagery, like with what they're talking about within these videos, or even like um thinking about like older uh Cardi B and Nicki Minaj videos, like some of their music videos are really strange. Yes, or even like some of the brands that people put themselves behind, like even for OVO, even though it's supposed to be like October's very own, and then they have like an owl, yeah, and a really popular known symbol that we know of an owl is like for Mo Loch and like the worship that they do, like in Bohemian Grove and things like that. And I'm not saying there's any direct tie, but I'm just saying it is worth questioning for some of these things, why they pick specific symbols. Right. Um, and even for people that have like who've just been in the industry before, like with the with the whole Justin Bieber um, I forget I think it's the Where You Now music video that we talked about before. Yeah, it's like whether or not he was the one that actually put it in, the labels that are signing all these people are definitely pushing this agenda because whether or not they're going behind the back of the artist and doing it or using the artist as a front for a humiliation ritual or something like that, it definitely reveals like a deeper uh demonic and spiritual agenda that's going on. And I think a lot of the reason why people are afraid to speak out about it is because they either hold a lot of information on them, like the same thing that we've been seeing with uh like with P. Diddy or Nicki Minaj, or not Nicki Mana, sorry, or Jay-Z or somebody like that, where they essentially own your life because they have all your financials and they have all your personal data. They know pretty much everything bad you've done and they can release it and make your life a PR nightmare.

SPEAKER_06 48:23

Right.

SPEAKER_05 48:24

So I think, and also just because of the fame and wealth that's promised to them within that regard. So it is definitely like a a question of if they're actually selling their soul, whether or not it is just by signing these contracts to these major record labels, and instead of just like signing their name and blood, like we would see, like with an oath or something like that.

SPEAKER_07 48:41

So yeah, it's interesting because I mean the imagery of Taylor is obviously she's wearing like a cape, she's doing these very much, it is very much real ritualistic. It's seen as doing a spell that's with the imagery she's showing. And this witch is actually going through saying, No, that's real, that's real, that's real. Because people would say, Oh, it's cinematic, she's she's doing like an you know homage to Harry Potter. Yeah, something which we've seen a lot of that in the past. I mean, you know, we like C.S. Lewis, we like you know, Tolkien, these other things that are mythical, and they have this different stuff to them where they're wearing capes and cloaks and blah blah blah. And so it's not she's saying, No, it's not that, this is something completely different. This is Wiccan, this is that, this is witchcraft. And so just a very, very um strong understanding. You know, I have young daughters. Taylor Swift's super talented, man. There's no doubt about it. Good songwriter. Um, but you know, what her her motivation does come through in what she's doing. And so it's one of those things that we just have to be aware of because every person has a motivation, even ourselves, but just to be very aware of what's being modeled to us as we embrace some of these, um some of these artists.

SPEAKER_01 49:42

Yeah. Well, and it's all about open doors and and what are you opening yourself up to? Uh, one of the things that she talks about is that you're by listening to these things, by watching, you're coming into agreement, you're allowing it into you. Uh, and so we, you know, we think of it as just, oh, that's just artistic or whatever. But when you're watching a spell, uh, I mean, would you go to a seance?

SPEAKER_07 50:03

Right. No.

SPEAKER_01 50:04

No. Yeah. But you're inviting the seance to be a few.

SPEAKER_07 50:06

But you might listen to the Taylor's song because it's good. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 50:09

You know, and so you're you're inviting this stuff into your home, into your life. That's why, like, I don't watch horror movies and things. I I've talked with a lot of people and dealt with a lot of people who they're super into horror flicks, and that has real implications in their life because it's it's about open doors. And as soon as they start cutting out those movies, you know, they're not scared of the dark or they're, you know, they're they're not seeing these things and and they're not having the same stuff. And again, it's because the enemy doesn't play by the rules.

SPEAKER_03 50:36

Right.

SPEAKER_01 50:36

And so he's a legalist, and so he doesn't care if you if you go to church on Sunday. If you in fact, if you go to church on Sunday, but then you're engaging in these other acts outside, that's just giving him permission to to cause havoc in this area of your life. He doesn't, he he doesn't need to take you all the way down because again, sin is sin. It doesn't, you know, so we think, well, I don't drink, I don't, you know, I don't engage in this behavior, but you still gossip, you're still guilty of sin. And so he doesn't need you to actually practice witchcraft. He just needs you to show up at the seance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, and so it it's again just a toe hold and these kinds of things so that they can operate in your life.

SPEAKER_07 51:14

Yeah, it's in the Lord help us because we want to be those that walk circumspectly, that walk devoted to God and to give him our worship and no one else.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

Amen.

SPEAKER_07 51:22

One of the C's we talk about is creativity, and we've talked a lot about AI, a lot about robots, a lot about those things. Uh, one of the things we talk about is AI and faith. Recently, very interestingly, we talked about how some of these big AI models are bringing their model to some of these religious leaders, um, religious leaders, both Christian, Catholic, um, uh, you know, also Islam and Buddhism and other things, asking them for morality. We talked about that. Pope Leo recently released uh a warning about embracing AI and also about AI being used for nefarious activities. And so, you know, obviously AI is immediately put into military application, so that's like where it originated from, is that concept. And so it was very interesting to see Pope Leo, who, you know, there's whatever two billion Catholics or something, he's talking to them saying, listen, be aware of what's going on. That was very insightful. What'd you think?

SPEAKER_01 52:16

I think uh I think uh that it's right on. We need to be very careful because what are we signing over to AI? You know, back in the day you used to have to sound things out in order to spell it. Now people's spelling is just tanked because there's an autocorrect function.

SPEAKER_02 52:32

Right.

SPEAKER_01 52:32

You know, and so we also we also used to know phone numbers.

SPEAKER_02 52:36

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 52:37

Uh but now phone numbers are stored in your in your contacts, and so you don't need to learn that. And so if you begin to to turn your morality over, or you know, you stop asking these questions, you stop thinking about it because the AI will think for you, uh, that becomes real dangerous ground.

SPEAKER_07 52:53

Yeah, absolutely. Javen, what do you think? American Pope talking against AI?

SPEAKER_05 52:57

Yeah, I mean, I I totally understand why. I think uh the more that we kind of see AI start to develop, we understand that it is inherently like an anti-human technology. We're essentially setting it up. We ourselves are almost making ourselves like God and trying to set up something that has consciousness, but we're not God, so we can't create another man. Um, and I think like even in Revelation, like in Revelation 13, it talks about like us setting up a second beast, like almost within our own image and trying to make it another man, but that itself is gonna lead everybody an adult. Yeah, exactly. So uh for somebody like in a pope who's in a very powerful position to speak to all the Catholic Christians out in the world, um, certainly within within the times that we're in where we see the evolution of AI kind of trending towards this topic, um, even with some of the ads and NYC being running like a with like stopping the hiring of humans, like in favoring AI and things like that. So people pushing this agenda that everything needs to be automated and we need to almost bow down to the AI, very similar to the way that scripture puts it, or puts at least to the image of the second beast. I would also be very aware and very skeptical of everything that is going on behind it as well. So I understand him giving that warning and and almost rejecting it within that sense. Um, even though right now it just seems to be used mostly for utilitarian applications, pretty soon, the more that you tend to integrate something, the more that it has on you, and then the more that you rely on it, and then the more that you're willing to trust it for other things.

SPEAKER_07 54:23

So it's a great point. Stop hiring humans was a billboard that got put out um in NYC. Jim was just talking about it by Artisan, which is a company who runs an AI bot, and so they're saying they're running these massive ads in NYC. People are up in arms, man. In a very, very expensive city where lots of the place runs with people kind of doing gig jobs and all sorts of stuff. They're running these massive billboards at Times Square and all over the place saying stop hiring humans, and then it has this AI woman who's like their representative for Artisan, and people are really pushing back. What do you think about that, Angus?

SPEAKER_01 54:57

Yeah, I saw some of the the bus ads and things like that where they they've smashed the the glass and stuff around it. Um, it's one of those things that we need to be on guard because uh AI it's it's set to be better. I mean, we create it to be smarter than us and all of that. And once you pair that with robots, and I saw a robot that's cutting hair now, and you know, all kinds of things like that, it's it's not very far off that ready player one could become a very real thing. That you know, you're uh you're wearing your VR headset in order to accomplish a real real world task because it's attached to a robot, right? You know, and uh and so it's one of those things that we need to to really monitor what's going on and and what we allow. And if if we as a people just let it happen, uh now I'm not saying violence is the answer, but you know, we need to we need to elect leaders that will come against those kinds of things. Um, but there's there's a very real danger of us becoming unemployed. You know, one of the things that we're seeing is that uh they're saying that it could be five percent uh unemployment because of people being replaced, uh because AI and and robots can just do the job better, they don't take breaks and all of this. Um and and so it it's it's very disconcerting when your job is the one on the chopping block. Yeah, and and right now there are so many that it's like, oh, you know, they'll never be able to fill this or that. Well, we a few years ago we didn't think AI would be doing what it's doing now. Yeah, that's great. And and it is it's advancing at such a rapid pace that I think it's very naive of us to say, oh, my job is safe. Yeah, yeah, you know, um, because we know that people are going to AI for spiritual questions and things like that. So even though we think you know a pastor's job, but there there will be a segment of society that goes to AI um for their for their church experience. Um hopefully good point, yeah. You know, uh we've we've talked about how there's the relational side and all of that, but AI is becoming so um so hard to distinguish between human and a computer just in the way because it's being taught to to be like us. And uh, you know, in an AI program that's speaking to your morality and your situation in a way that doesn't challenge you, uh it it says in scripture that people will be looking to have their ears tickled.

SPEAKER_02 57:18

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

You know, and so uh uh for any of us to think that our jobs are safe, um is is I think pretty naive.

SPEAKER_07 57:26

That's a very good take. I I you know it's it's a give and a take. We talked about it before about how you know invention of the cars upset all the people who had horses and all the people who cleaned horse poop and all the people who made carts and all this other stuff. So I think there'll be a natural shift of people into other jobs, but it is very interesting how ubiquitous it is now. Um for instance, like um I my day off is Friday, our day off is Friday, and and Javen, he's not working in the morning of that day. And so we were like, hey man, you wanna you wanna play golf, you wanna hang out? And so he's like, Yeah. So I call my local golf course, I'm gonna see if it'll work right now. I'm gonna call right now, let's see what happens here.

SPEAKER_00 58:09

Would you like to continue with that looking or help with anything else today?

SPEAKER_07 58:13

Not Islam, thank you very much. So I just called my local golf club, and that's the AI who knows because my phone number's in their system, she's talking to me about a tea time that I ended up calling the actual pro shop and setting it up because she's saying with your summer pass, which we bought a summer pass, it's cheaper. Um so get that. All the information was there straight away, called me by name. This is better customer service I've ever got from this golf club, and I like this golf club. I play there often. But it's one of these things where it's like there you go. That was someone's job.

SPEAKER_01 58:44

Well, and and you uh there I I've heard with this tech people where they'll have their AI call and make appointments for them. And so, like, all you have to do is tell your AI, hey, I need this, this, this, and this, and it will call for you. It'll set up a hair appointment. And so I listen to uh I listen to an AI call and have a conversation with a an actual receptionist making uh an appointment for their person. Right. You know, that was a job that used to be designed either you had to do it or you had an assistant to do it.

SPEAKER_07 59:13

Yeah, we have front, we have front desk people here.

SPEAKER_01 59:14

Exactly. And so uh, you know, it's coming.

SPEAKER_07 59:17

Oh, it's coming, it's here. Absolutely. Yeah, it's just really bizarre that you can like have, you know, it's like those are real examples. I mean, you know, Google would talk about, oh, it's gonna be this and it's gonna sound natural. That sounds very natural. The pauses are natural, it's like she's taking a breath, she doesn't need a breath, obviously. But it's like, oh hey, Jason, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's a very conversational tone. It's not like Jason, do you want to have tea time? You know, it's not like that. It's very chill. And you're like, oh, that she sounds nice. Maybe that's the cart lady, you know, or whatever. It's like some crazy thing.

SPEAKER_05 59:44

Jay, what would you take? Uh yeah, I mean, I'm I'm totally with you guys as far as the natural evolution of the eye is kind of just to weed out pretty much every job as long as it makes financial sense for them to do so. I think within America, the only way that it's really gonna work at like a really rapid pace is if we see kind of what's been talked about uh all the way dating back to like 1984 and books like that. Or is it yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, 1984. Yeah, yeah, where he um where like Big Brother's watching and everything's like Megacorp and like it's all essentially owned by one financial organization that like owns all these different companies in order to avoid the monopoly thing that goes on in the US. Um, until that happens or that like really is kind of just pushed by the US government and like fully supported. I don't really think we'll see development at the same rate that we see like in China, where everything pretty much is being automated already, like as far as production, um, even like transporting of of technology of their own AI technology, they're using AI to do that as well now, which I think is crazy. Like with the UDY ships we were talking about uh about a week or two ago. I mean that it's like mind-blowing what they can do because of how centralized they are as far as who owns what and who and China being willing to endorse it all. And yeah, I think until America's willing to fully adopt that model, we won't develop at such a rapid rate. But definitely like the more that one company continues to own everything and we essentially move towards an advanced model of socialism under the guise of capitalism, then yeah, then AI will fully take over. So we'll see.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:16

See, and while I agree with that, what I do see is those changes we think are gonna have to happen in the public forum over a long period of time. But look at the gold standard. You know, I mean that we went off the gold standard like that. Yeah, and um, and the Federal Reserve coming into a uh so there's a lot of changes that happen way up top uh that with the stroke of a pen, it can be like that just overnight. And so uh so while it it you know, we think it may take a lot longer for something like that to to progress, the reality is is based on what's there, and if if you don't have the right people set to oppose it, it just kind of goes. You know, I mean at one point we didn't have taxes in the sky, we didn't have a national income tax, right? And very quickly we did, and now you know it's it's just a part of we grow up and we death in taxes. Yeah, taxes, man. But uh, but a lot of those shifts, you know, it it will take longer if we have the right people in power to be able to resist it. But the reality is is it can happen pretty much overnight.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:21

Yeah, yeah. I was listening to a uh a comedian, works fairly clean, his name is Zoltan, saw him on dry bar comedy ages ago, started following him. He's out of San Diego, real funny guy, kind of uh Polish heritage, where he talks about growing up, you know, poor the single mom, all that stuff. He's a really funny guy. He was uh someplace at some in uh in northeast somewhere and he's at a strip mall. That's where the comedy club was that he's at. And he's like at a strip mall, he's like, Hey, this is great. And he he'll release like that stuff because he's just doing like he's doing essentially like specific about there, so it's not he hasn't got into his real set, so he'll release some of those videos on YouTube. And I was watching it, and he's joking about this. He's like, you know, when AI takes over the whole world in six months, we're gonna be hiding and have to come to a place like this just to meet face to face. Yeah, and everybody in the crowd kind of goes, ha oh yeah. There's like a little bit of fear behind the lap where it's like it's funny because it's hilarious as a concept, but also that's absolutely how that's gonna go. So, yeah, very, very interesting. Javen was talking about AI rebellion and people pushing back against it. Um, recent college students, especially those who graduated, um, were really making a stand. There were some that were recording videos and singing songs about anti-AI and how they can't take my job. They booed many different speakers, including uh Bill Gates and other people at the as as uh keynote speakers for their graduation. They're like, yeah, in this we're all the guy, everyone's like, boo, boo. There's like these thunderous boos that are going on. I was like, woo. Yeah, that not everybody in the youth is ex is embracing this stuff. Jay, what do you think, man? You're a college student.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:54

Uh I think it just largely depends upon kind of what facet of work you want to go into. Uh, because I know a lot of people that are embracing this stuff like right now, basically using it to do a bunch of coursework and things like that for them because it's all automated now. Like if you're a business or or you work within like some realm of engineering or um anything that kind of has to do with computer systems, even like computer science, I know a bunch of people that will turn to like Gemini, Chat GBT, myself included, and because it's just really easy. Like, if it can help you automate something that you don't have to do by yourself, that you already have the basic knowledge of how to do, but you just don't want to do all the inner workings of, then you'll just use it all the time. So um, another video that I saw that was kind of on the opposite side of what you're talking about is a dude at I want to say it was like UCLA or maybe UCal or um yeah, UC Berkeley. Yeah, sorry, I said UCal. I don't know why. But um he like held up a computer and went like when the grad cam was on him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, when the grad cam was on him, he held up a computer that had, I think it was years worth of chat GPT logs, and he was just scrolling through them as like the camera was like zooming in on him, and I think they pulled his uh they pulled his bachelor's, which is crazy because it wasn't his own work yet. Yeah, he proved that he did it all with chat, yeah, which was so wild. Well, first off, he's kind of an idiot for doing that, but second off, he was trying to stunt, yeah. Second off, if he's doing that and willing to put that publicly, think about how many people are doing that behind the scenes for sure and yet still are being like vocal about I think most people that are vocal about it typically tend to work within uh like work hands-on with other people. So whether it be like within realms of psychology or whether it be like English majors, because their jobs are already limited as is, if you add AI into the factor of somebody that literally takes away like their entire workforce, if we don't really need journalists within the future because we can just copy whatever we like and understand algorithms enough, if like New York Times wants to employ an AI that almost writes like a human, then who's that who that specializes in journalism goes to school for like six years is really gonna land a job that pays any money anymore. Sure, because you have a real exactly you have you have a Mac mini on your desk that has Claude on it that's doing the job. Exactly. So people feel like the work that they're doing is going to waste. And I think that's why they're so against AI. Whereas a bunch of people that work hands on with tech are like, oh no, just keep it coming, dude. So I didn't want to hire you anyway. I think it goes both ways. Um, but definitely I I think the anti-AI sentiment is growing more and more as AI continues to develop and is so kind of shoved down your throat by these major companies, especially by Microsoft and uh Google that are really heavily relying upon it now and using like even their own servers and stuff to run Gemini and uh copile and things like that. So yeah, we'll see how it continues to go.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:34

You know, we use Gemini have for years actually here. Um we use it based on our own on our own content. So we take AI, we let it script, we let it scrub our content and give us some points and break it down into nice little bits that we can do. So we are the originator of the source of the material we're using for the AI to pull from. The danger with having just a random AI is that you don't know what data set it has. And so it's pulling from different places that you're not necessarily alignment with. So that makes it difficult to understand. It's like, okay, is this actually in alignment with my worldview? Is this actually pulling from our other understanding? And so as you start to train like an agent or do some of these other things, it does bring those those questions into focus really quickly. Um, you know, JB, you were talking about people cheating and doing that stuff for school. Um, I'm I'm currently in a PhD program. They do check on AI check on every single thing you push in. So they'll take it, they've dump it, they dump it in a thing and see if you actually do it. They can take a Google Doc or even a Word doc and retro it to see if you actually just cut and paste and dropped it in there, or if you actually built it out and typed it yourself, they can see how what it looks like and they can backward history. Yeah, exactly. And so they can backlog that and do it. Um, so if if my professors ever saw it, they would see me dumping in you know, dumping in things and writing paragraphs around my around my little, you know, like whatever I have to cite because you know you dump that stuff in. But man, I don't mess with that stuff at all. I don't go anywhere near those things because I don't want, you know, A, I need to know the information myself in my mind, yeah, how to do it, not just like, oh, I have a reference for it. No, I need to know it myself. Two, you know, it's one of these things where it's like, well, what good is what good is it giving in a getting degree if you didn't learn the actual stuff yourself? And so that's the danger. The other side is doing hard things makes you stronger. Yeah, and so I think you know, doing hard thought process makes you stronger in your mind. So that's the one downside. I had a conversation with a good friend of yours who won't put on blast, but I know you know the story. They transferred from your school to a different school, different high school. Oh, yeah. And then they they uh used AI to do ton of their coursework. Now they're a very, very smart person, doing very well in university. But the point is they were like, ah man, I didn't really mess with that. And I was like, they're like, I just put it through AI, but whatever, and just like got A's. And I was like, dude, you're smart. I know his parents, but they're smart. I was like, ah, you don't want to be doing that. And I was just trying to encourage him from this other perspective. No, if you're thinking about it from a smart perspective, he's smart and that he's using his time for what he wants to use his time for, he's allowing this other thing to do a task. So that's a smart thought process. But whenever you're tasked on knowing the knowledge, it's a different animal. So I'm not saying you know, these things as far as like, oh, he was cheating his way through, unless they give stipulations saying you can't use it, which I don't think they did at the time because it wasn't a thing, they didn't understand that it was being used ubiquitously like that. But uh I will say from us going forward, it's like one that's one of the challenges that's hard because it's like, yeah, okay, you can if you can chat GPT it and I'm paying you to do that, why do I need you again? Does that make sense? Yeah, it's like I can I can do that and it's a lot cheaper than me employing you to do it. No. So there's something about actually using your mind, actually doing the work, doing the things, and using the tool if it works and makes sense. But I think it's more of a collaboration and you're still the one that's in the driver's seat, not the AI. Right. So huge difference.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:41

Well, and I think that uh there there's kind of a honeymoon phase that we're in right now. And I think that that's what we're seeing is that in some of these in some of these sections of society, we're seeing that that honeymoon phase is coming to an end. Yeah. But that's true. Um, but you know, if you if you outsource your your intellect here, um at some point you have to know the information, right? If you if you got your degree based on this, you get hired based on the degree that says I know this information, you just have to continually kick the can down the road. Yeah, and so now you're in a job that is being done by AI, and the amount of stress that that would cause for you to not be found out. Right. You know, because if if my employer finds out that, you know, I'm my sermons are being written by AI, well, why why did you have why am I on staff? You know, and so uh and it's not like uh you're gonna be checking to see if if that's been done by AI, but what's to stop somebody from having the cert, having the the AI do it, and then you just type it out? So it's still so even that fun bypassing the function of seeing the copy and paste. Well, don't copy and paste. Now you type it out. What's on the other screen? Yeah, and so the break, you go and take a video game break uh and come back, and it looks like you were thinking, but all you're doing is taking a video game break and typing out what AI had.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:01

You know, where there's a will, there's a way.

SPEAKER_07 1:11:03

Yeah, you're right about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:04

And uh, you know, it starts off shiny, but we as humanity have a have a talent for taking something that has the potential for good and turning it into something completely different. You know, I mean, computers we we started to experience computers as they came in to educate it. Yeah, uh, but now what we're seeing is that uh there's been research done that's showing that this upcoming generation is cognitively less the first generation in human history to be cognitively less capable than their parents.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:35

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:36

Because, you know, while we thought that uh that these computers were gonna make education so much better, what it's doing is it's creating lazier students and and they're not having to fight for their education in the same way we did, you know, by going and looking something up in a book and and all of that. And so while AI, it's it's shiny, it's new, it's really cool, and we see all the positives, just like social media started out, right? It was now we can share with pictures with people across the world, a you know, family and all that, but social media has destroyed so many lives. Yeah, and because we're really good at taking that and turning it into something that's not necessarily good. So we have to be really careful of how we do it, how we allow it to be implemented.

SPEAKER_07 1:12:15

Yeah, it's really well said. Um, man, heaven help us. Yeah, you know, heaven help us to be those that do it. You know, a COVID break of 18 months didn't help those students either. Absolutely, you know, so there's a lot of things that are against the younger generation, but I I think you're right. I think you know it's you know what they say, laziness is is one of the the spawns ingenuity. It's like one of the starts of ingenuity because it's a catalyst for like, how can we do this easier? Yeah, this is a lot of work, man. You know, that's that's um that's irrigation, that's the wheel, that's all of it. So it's one of those things that's like, how do we go about this? So there has to be a realignment of education with with things that that actually are uh, you know, it has to be it has to be a metric that's different than just can you give me this thing on a piece of paper? It has to be different than that because anybody can regurgitate something and now we can have a computer regurgitate what they want. So it has to be more than that, it has to be like concepts and and going back to essentially which the thing they went away with way from was oral exams. Can you sit and explain to me how this works? Yeah, explain the Ottoman Empire, and they're like uh it's a piece of furniture. No, you're losing. You know what I mean? You did the wrong search. It's like, no, you have to sit and actually learn how to do it. Can you talk about this and have understanding of what it really is? That's what a knowledgeable person is. So if we're trying to be knowledgeable and not just pass a class, that makes a big difference in our motivation, our intention behind it. Hey, uh, one of the things we saw that you're using AI for is the Chinese have launched an AI pet translator, which is pretty crazy. It's all the up vibes you think of of the dog that's wearing the collar that does all the things, and squirrel, you know, does all that kind of stuff. So they're saying it's gonna be claims of up to 95% accurate. Javen, what do you think? We have a fat dog named Cleopatra Clio. Yeah, what do you think? We should get her an AI pet translator. What's she gonna be saying most of the time? Yeah, I mean, I think it was only I think they said it was like $118.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:08

So it's really sold. Yeah, exactly. That's right. And I think it's I'm I'm interested to see how it works of whether or not it pulls from a database of like a bunch of tests that they've ran on on like a bunch of different types of dogs and dog breeds, or whether or not it actually like adapts to understanding your own dog because the way our dog barks, like it just random stuff. I I don't think it would ever really fully figure it out. Yeah, but I think like as far as like whimpers and things like that, it would be pretty accurate as far as like if your dog has a set circadian rhythm or like cycle that they go out per day, like our dog definitely does, as far as like in the morning she needs to go out and do whatever she does, and then also probably again around like 3 or 5 p.m. And then past that she's pretty much just sleeping or eating the whole day. So I think as long as it gave it like a few weeks or maybe even like a month of testing past the um like the puppy phase, but as soon as it's it like an actual fully adult dog, then it actually could be pretty accurate. Not fully surprised that this exists, but it definitely is cool. I want to see like this in action for sure.

SPEAKER_07 1:15:08

You know, it's interesting because I think about it the opposite way. I think it's like you know, we train a good dog is a dog that doesn't bark. You know what I mean? It doesn't do all that stuff. So I think a lot of the way that you interact with your dog is actually non-verbal because a lot of times you're like looking at your dog and seeing if your dog's gonna look at you, or you're snapping, pointing, doing something, and the dog will interact with you. You know, like even last night, like I was heating up something. We were all kind of late night people, aside from Celeste, and so we're all up late. Javen got off work, you came home, we're all talking, hanging out, and and I was making something. Oh, you brought food home from from from work, and he's like, Oh, you can have this. I was like, uh deal. So I eat it up real quick and uh was eating some of it, and the dog is just looking at me like, please give me this food. And I looked at her like like just with squinty eyes as to say, I am the alpha and I will eat you as well. And immediately her eyes kind of got big and she goes, and just kind of like ran away. And I was just like, Yeah, no caller would explain that. Yeah, you know, it's not gonna do that, explain what's going on. Yeah, what do you think, man? Uh I know you guys aren't don't have the pet necessarily running around with you guys, but you think neighborhood cats, what do you think is gonna say?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:10

Well, you know, it reminds me of a Simpson episode way back in the day. It was right along the same lines, and so uh yet again the Simpsons predicting the future. I know. Dun dun dun matt groaning. My my question is do you really want to know what your dog's thinking of? I mean, what if your dog doesn't have a very dog doesn't have a very high opinion for you? Uh, you know, the the man's best friend. That's true.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:35

You know, you definitely put one on a cat. The cat would be like this moron.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:39

So it's making fun of you. Yeah, absolutely. But you know, what what is it that your dog's thinking about you? It couldn't, it couldn't be go the other way.

SPEAKER_07 1:16:48

That's hilarious. I didn't think about it like that. That's really funny. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, uh, what is it? Everybody's done a stand like a version of this. Obviously, up is the famous one with you know the collar, and he's he's translated really funny. You know, Rick and Morty does a sentient dog or has intelligence that starts walking around with a biomechanical, all these different ones that you see clips of, and you're like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it'd be interesting if they actually do make something there. Uh, there's a really old famous bit from a comedian Brian Regan. He's talking about people that are scientists that go out as uh marine biologists and trying to figure out what the whales are saying. Have you seen that? He's like, you know, it's like, mmm, he's like, oh, they're lonely. It's like, maybe you're lonely. It's like, can you imagine do that for six months and then turn realize the door's squeaking behind you? Yeah. That's his bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:32

It's so funny. I was like, oh, dude, that's brut. Well, I mean, they've done studies on how birds communicate and think different chirps mean different things. So I think it's not a far cry. For sure. You know, to think that other animals should communicate differently in the earth via their means.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:48

The whales are like, yeah. There's aliens under the water. It's like some crazy thing. You're like, oh great, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:54

Yeah, Star Trek had a whole movie about the whales communicating.

SPEAKER_07 1:17:59

Yeah, yeah. What's the uh oh man, what's the one? Um where it's the it's the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy where they're doing the randomizer and they the potting plat turns into a whale, and it's like trying to figure out what it is and it has a real is it's falling to earth. Hilarious. Uh, we've lost the plot. All right, back on it. Hey, uh, one of the creative things we saw was very interesting, was um something we've seen from the CIA again to go back to them. So why not? Uh they talked about somebody who was on Fox News as a pundit. It was a former military person, I want to say a colonel. Um, and he it it's accused that he was wearing a very realistic face mask. Did you guys see this footage? What did you think of that, Javid?

SPEAKER_05 1:18:40

I this is they're just laughing in our face with like this being put on Fox News. I've seen a theory, and this has been circulating for a few years, that President Biden is not actually the original Joe Biden that was been that has been put out before because of the way like he acted and like certain things that um he advocated for that were seemingly like flipped overnight as soon as he started. Yeah, exactly. As soon as he started running for the Democratic Party, or at least being the front runner in 2020. But there's a lot of interviews that they have with him during his presidency where like you can see flaps of skin that will be like towards his neck and they're loose, like it's almost like you can just like flip them up like that. And people are like, is this a failed facebacks? And there's like multiple clips of this happening, whether it be like in press conferences that he's doing at the White House, even with him like coming out of a car, going to like a dinner or something, they could still see it. Um and kind of just like the uh how he would sort of just act really different a lot of the times, like one day he'd be completely fine, and then the next day it'd feel like he had no clue where he was or what planet he was on. So a lot of people think that in some sense there was like a group of maybe clones or like two or three people that were all impersonating the president and then just had face masks on in the same way, and that it was like a CIA front for it. And unironically, even though a lot of people are like, oh, that's crazy, right? Because of what we've seen now, this is not too far. Sorry, this is not too far-fetched. And to think that they wouldn't do it, or to think that if they're doing it for a military leader, they definitely would do it for political leaders in the same sense if they wanted them to advocate for something or to be a front for something greater that they want to do. So this opens a lot of doors to a lot of different conversations that are to be had about a lot of different things involving the CIA.

SPEAKER_07 1:20:21

Well, it was definitely one of those things where, I mean, it's been proven out they do use these tactics. CIA's used them for a long time. That's where the whole Mission Impossible face mask thing came from. That was way back. You remember how long ago that movie came out? It's like 90s, man. Yeah. So they were using it pre-that. So that's how good this mask had been for that long. I don't know if I'm on board with the fake, the fake president thing. Um, I think it's more likely that they just want to try to like shine him up and make him look nice versus of his own version of himself. Um praying for that guy and for his mental stability, because man, what a craziness. We saw him kind of really go down. It's no good. Um, but yeah, one of those things that we do see is that this guy is, I mean, he you could see his eyes are real, those kind of things, but I mean his skin does look different, it's very shiny. Like, so you know, Angus has his head shaved right now, and looking at you, like you can see like your tent skin tone and stuff like it. It's very similar. He's like showing his back, I do not have a mask on. Um, but it's very interesting because it looks similar to your look right now, but then like you saw the end of his shirt where it's supposed to be buttoned up another button, I think. Yeah, you saw the clear flap of this thing, and it was on all sorts of news. What do you think, Angus?

SPEAKER_01 1:21:25

Yeah, well, I think you have to ask the question, why? Like, why would you do this? Why and I think a real simple answer is if I can't get you to say something, you know, if if I've got somebody who like I think of Frank Calliendo, who he does uh he can just do voice impersonations, and so if if he's if he needs money or somebody who sounds like somebody else needs money, yeah, uh you could pay them to say what it is. And all you the only thing standing in your way is what the face looks like. And so as long as they've got a similar body type or whatever, you know, then you can get if if you can't get a celebrity to get in line and say what you want, you know, why not just use somebody who can who can do the voice, yeah, and now you make them look like it and it's it's able to be sold. And then you don't have to deal with the you know the people taking the the video feed and saying, oh no, this was created by AI or whatever. It's still a a way to get a a real person to to be somebody else or sound like somebody else and get your narrative, your message, because you know they say everybody has a price, right? And so if if you just go, well, what is what effect is it gonna have me to impersonate this person and say it, yeah, it's not but the the million dollars that they're gonna give me a big thing. That's a good gig. Yeah, too. You know, it's like that that one that one little lie, and if they're not guided by morals or whatever, they're guided by money, you know, what's to stop them from doing that? And and then once that becomes a possibility, you can do just about anything you want. And we know that the CIA and and other nefarious uh agencies and and uh uh actors around the world, you know, that it's all about narrative and pushing your narrative. And so if uh if it that's a million-dollar investment that that is uh results in five billion dollars, a trillion dollars in result, then that's that's a million dollars well spent.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:13

Yeah, it was investment in the way that they think. It's like, how'd you get this yacht? Oh, I was President Biden in 2021 for a month. Yeah. You know, it's like oh, okay, cool. Obviously, we're not saying that's a whole thing, but you get the idea. It's like, you know, it it what it starts to do is it starts to make you unsettled about what's real.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:23:29

Um, I I did it, I did uh a thesis, is uh wrote a thesis as far as in my undergrad taking a piece of mid uh uh media crit uh for a media for a course called media criticism. And you're taking a piece of popular media, so in this case you used a movie, and we use uh talking about what does it teach other people about the narrative of trust? That's what I wrote from. And so it's talking about the usual suspects and using that because the narrator, the narrator in the thing, you think you can trust them, and then you can't. And so like the whole thing, you're like, wait, this whole story was made up, you know, and like whatever that and so you start to like it starts to make you second guess a lot of things. I think that's all of this stuff. That's AI, that's UFOs, that's you know, that's this mask situation. All of it is doing this whole thing where it's like, listen, there's tons of stuff that's unstable in the world. You can trust us. You know what I mean? They're trying to draw you in by making other things unstable. And I feel like that's that's a narrative of some that are there. Other than it's just people, you know, people are just like, wait, what's going on? And they're trying to find because none of this thing, none of these things are gonna have um any kind of eternal value the way that our our faith in Christ is. And so to turn it back to our faith, it's like you know, we start to do these things, we start to understand, listen, people are gonna have agendas, they're gonna be working against us, we need to live for Christ.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:40

And that's why you have to have a foundation uh from which to operate from. Exactly. Because if if you don't know what you stand for, then you'll fall for everything.

SPEAKER_07 1:24:47

Yeah, 100%. I also want to know how much these masks are so I can get rid of some of these shins without having to go to the gym for four hours a day. Praise God. Hey, one of the things that we've been talking about recently um is in this creativity space is also the the ethics of it. And one of these people, uh, it's an outfit out of out of Italy that's a new startup that they are talking about making clones of people, human clones, to use for organ transplants. Uh, they're saying they're gonna be brainless clones, so they're not gonna have a brain to think. It's not a real person, they're saying they're just gonna essentially grow these people to do whatever. This reminds me of the movie The Island. If you haven't seen it, it's um it's uh Scarlett Johansson slash Ewan McGregor joint with a bunch of people in it where, you know, essentially really famous people thought this was a great idea and they were paying for their clone that which is not alive and doesn't feel pain, that's what they're told. And uh in reality, no, they can't make a person without having a soul. So very interesting. Javen, what do you think, man?

SPEAKER_05 1:25:43

No, I mean I saw a bunch of comments underneath it says it was like this is all just a smokescreen for like a human trafficking ring and things like that. And I think, especially with everything that's been going on, this that's not far-fetched at all. And I think that's probably exactly what this is. You have a group of people that have way too much money to fund something like this, and then you start asking questions about why they're doing it, right? Even if they're trying to say it's for the good of humanity, like uh a lot of organs that are given and harvested are from like abortion clinics and things like that. So I mean it makes you wonder, makes you think where the real underlying principles behind anything that they're doing are. And I think because there's not really like or this is kind of all being given as like such a such for like a positive thing, there needs to be a lot of questions asked about it.

SPEAKER_07 1:26:26

And you're you're referencing the undercover videos of people talking to um Planned Parenthood, yeah, people who said that they were selling these things from those doctors and they're selling parts of of uh aborted children and their parts and their other stuff. And obviously we know that um there is a lot of things now that are talking about you know, when we talk about fighting against um human trafficking, we're talking about not just them into prostitution, also for for their parts for other things that people get taken and and these other nefarious activities are happening. So it makes sense that that that would might be the case, you know, where they're trying to do this as a cover-up, but let's say that they're not and they actually are trying to do it. Obviously, the rules in the US against cloning of humans, but they're not those rules in other places. Um Angus, what do you think?

SPEAKER_01 1:27:11

Well, I think that they, you know, they've been cloning animals for a long time. And what the public, I mean, traditionally what the public knows is uh vastly different than what is actually out there. Correct. Um so knowing that they've been able to clone all of these other animals and things like that, I don't think it's very far-fetched to think that they are cloning uh humans to to some degree. But in the in it, you know, to go back to that movie, which you know, there have been a lot of plots in movies that we've that are now coming to fruition. We're starting to see that, oh, you know, it was kind of what uh it was predictive programming or you know, forecasting and those kinds of things. Uh, in that movie, uh one of the things that they talk about is the reason uh they had to give them consciousness was because the tissues and the bodies wouldn't survive without it. And so you've got this, you know, these silos. Those with people that you know they uh the the funders think that they they are just these empty sacks when in reality those empty sacks wouldn't stay alive, and so they had to allow them to have consciousness, and now they're doing so there they're you know who knows if that it has any bearing in reality or not. But um, you know, it also to think about it from Javen's point of view, you know, there's now in Canada they have the the MAID program, which is doctor-assisted suicide. And so who's to say for any age?

SPEAKER_07 1:28:34

It's like really lowering all the way to it.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:35

Exactly for any age. And so I haven't really seen anything from that side. Are they harvesting those organs or anything like that? You know, and so if if now we're allowing doctor-assisted suicide or euthanasia uh around the world, uh, now you've got people who are willingly but unknowingly becoming organ donors.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:54

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:28:55

And uh and this could this could be a guise that, oh no, it's it's this or that, but really they're taking these people who are being euthanized and using their organs and passing them off as something else. You know, there's a there's a lot that happens between behind closed doors, and money can buy a lot of things.

SPEAKER_02 1:29:11

That's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:29:12

And uh, and so it's just again, how how can it be marketed to people so that they don't revolt against it and all of that? Uh so I think that it's something to be looked into. Um, it's something to be just aware, I think.

SPEAKER_07 1:29:25

That's a great point. Yeah, exactly right. Uh heaven help us because we want to be those that understand the sanctity of life and value that and hold dear to that. Um, and want to be those that vo vocalize that against any other people that are trying to do anything else. The Lord help us. One of the things we talk about with creativity is uh new inventions, and one of the things that we've seen, obviously, with electrified vehicles, is that um charging stations become a stockpile place where people start to stack up, especially on big road trips. We've even we even pulled into a place to buy a date shake between us and California on our way home. Now we were driving in a gasoline car, but um as we did, we rolled up and there was a massive Tesla charging station because essentially that's like halfway between LA and Phoenix, and so it was a massive thing. All these Teslas are getting charged there, and it's a good place to come get a very sweet drink from uh getting uh getting a date shake, which is really nice. But the new thing that's happening in Detroit, uh, and part of their kind of resurgence and trying to re-establish the city as as a as a key player, is that they are electrifying one of their roads that'll be for use for only for EVs, so they're prioritizing EVs in this lane, and the low the road itself will actually charge the your EV as you drive on it. Jay, what do you think about that?

SPEAKER_05 1:30:39

That's pretty cool. It's something that you've talked about a lot for what they should do, like involving Teslas and Waymo's and things like that in in Arizona, and that you just have either electric or um automated cars kind of just be given their own lane on the freeway to just have them be not only safer drivers, but ensure that normal driving can happen on one side, and then everybody else that actually wants to get to a destination without having to drive can go on one side as well. The EV thing is cool. Um, I think it's more it it's it sounds really good as an idea. Uh in application, I'd be interested to see how it works and how like effective it actually is at charging, whether or not it kind of just acts as like those really janky iPhone chargers that you'll buy at uh like gas stations that kind of keep it at the same battery or like barely raise it a little bit because they say charge, but that might just mean maintain or something like that. And I also want to see how long it runs for because I feel like over time it might it might wear, might worsen, um, and what that would look like in in weather conditions and things like that too. Like if um, yeah, exactly. So I wonder if like if it were to ice or snow over, if that would like have any effect on that at either.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:42

I think it's yeah, I thought the same for us here. Like, what about the hot? I mean, our our stuff's super hot here, man, especially Blacktop.

SPEAKER_05 1:31:50

Yeah, I mean, we got a data center that runs at like 109 degrees in Yuma. So I I think we have those closer to us than you think.

SPEAKER_07 1:31:57

Yeah, it's all over the space. Probably, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:32:00

One on isn't there one on the uh is it the 101 or the 303?

SPEAKER_07 1:32:03

This 303 has some that are right here, actually, even in our own little backyard, yeah, that are unmarked buildings, and people are like, oh, I know what that is. I helped build that. That's a data center. It's a data center. Oh, okay. And it's like right here off Lichfield, right here off Billiard. Yeah. So it's like right by us. So very interesting as you think about that. The problem with us in almost anywhere, but specifically the southwest United States, is that so much of our water comes from the Rocky Mountain region. And so whenever Colorado, Utah have a terrible winter, we have a terrible summer because all of our water is is comes down from them. Yep. And so these new data centers, uh, Phoenix is a major hub for them, uh, they take tons of water. So I think it'll be very interesting to see going forward what it looks like as far as water use, what that looks like, etc. etc. As people, you know, or using more and more data centers, and you have to cool those machines down. So it'll be a very interesting thing for us to to navigate. Yeah. One of the things that they are rolling out in Phoenix as well is zip line drones. Now we've had Amazon drones uh forever, for a couple years, I think now. But um, the zip line drones are going live here. Those are the ones that hover over and drop the basket down. So they have a zip line that drops down and brings it back up. And so that's a really interesting thing. I'd seen those kind of being talked about and shown, but they're they're live right now in Phoenix. So have you guys seen those? Have you seen the zip lines?

SPEAKER_01 1:33:15

Yeah, I haven't seen one in person, but I saw the video of the delivery that was happening in Phoenix. Uh, it's wild. I mean, now you've got these giant drones delivering small drones, and it's yeah, it's crazy.

SPEAKER_07 1:33:27

Uh, we were we had a holiday recently, and so I was enjoying a little bit of the afternoon, and I was just there. I was actually working most of the afternoon, just on my phone and different stuff and for school. But in doing so, uh, man, I was in the backyard just uh just sitting in kind of sunbed uh working on some stuff, and man, I just had one drone after another after another run overhead and just zoom, zoom, zoom back and forth, back and forth, dropping off stuff. We played golf last Friday. Uh, and being there, man, it was the same deal. It was like there was just drone after drone over the top of us, and I was like, man, these guys are bit they're busy buying for the weekend, sales on, so people buying stuff. I was just like, this is crazy, man. But yeah, it'd be really interesting to see what happens with drones. If we'll end up with like the ones in China where you walk to the corner of the, you know, if we have one here on property and it just delivers to the pole and you walk out and grab it, or how that's gonna work. It should be very, very interesting. Yeah, yeah. So I don't have a landing spot at my house because we have a very small backyard. We have a pool, we have rocks, I got shade sales, so there's no place to really land in my backyard. So it's always offering me to deliver via drone. Oh, you can get that right now in an hour, you know, via drone. I'm like, you're gonna drop it in the middle of my front yard on the rocks. That's like giving it away to somebody else. Yeah, Phoenix, man, you gotta hide those bad boys. We have porch pirates like crazy.

SPEAKER_01 1:34:37

So it's cool as for the convenience. I'm not looking forward to the uh the pollution that it causes, you know, as far as the noise pollution and and just looking up and trying to see the sky, and you just see all these drones zipping by. Yeah, you know, uh, I I'm not necessarily a fan of that. I love the convenience idea of it though.

SPEAKER_07 1:34:55

For sure. And they've definitely, you know, not having you know, have to drive those cars and do all this stuff. Now, all of our electric the delivery trucks for Amazon have been electric for a long time, where we're at. They've a couple years they they've been using um the Rivian platform and have those vans that are out here. So it's they're very, very popular. We see them all the time. They're in and out. And I asked, I asked the driver one day, I was like, How do you like this truck? It's when they first got them, it was like a year and a half or two years ago. And they were just like, Oh, yeah, it's pretty good. Yeah, it's good. It's got some zip actually more than you think. And I was like, Oh, that's cool because it has you know instant power essentially. Um, and but yeah, very, very interesting. I wonder how their AC is in those bad boys. Yeah, because you know it's running just off battery if they like let them really crank it or how it works because they're in and out all day. So it'd be very, very interesting. One of the C's we talk about is community. We've been talking about what it means to live in life groups with intentionality. Uh, just give me a snapshot, Javen. You've been in different life groups. Um, what do you think about being intentional to be in a life group?

SPEAKER_05 1:35:48

I mean, yeah, it definitely is um a huge part of like as far as being intentional for anything, because I think as soon as you really step into adulthood, everything that you do has to be out of intentionality, or else you kind of get stuck in this limbo where everything kind of happens to you or not, you're really and you're not really doing anything. But I mean, we know that we are supposed to be kind of the controllers of what we do, and that everything that you do, I sorry, I just completely blank, but as far as like you need to be a master of your own destiny within that sense, and things that just don't happen to you, you go and at and actively make that um like a priority for it. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I'm basically just saying you have to be intentional in that regard, but especially with life groups, because a lot of the times what happens, and this is especially true of people that are um kind of grow up in church and things like that, is you get stuck in a plateau in your relationship with Christ because at some point, even though you're consistently reading your Bible every day, going to Sunday service and things like that, and really trying to delve into the word, without an extra layer of really trying to seek or push past whatever you continue to do as a habit, you kind of get stuck in this limbo where you feel like you've reached a point in your relationship with Christ where you've where you almost want to say you know enough. Oh, where you feel like you're like yeah, like you're complacent, not that you've arrived, but as in like, oh, okay, if I just continue to do this for the rest of my the rest of my life, then I'll be satisfied. But then at some point you're just like, man, it's not it's not enough. Like, why do I still feel a sense of like emptiness within within my walk or something like that? Um, and this was something that we talked about at a pretreat back when I was like, I want to say in 2022, 2023. So I was like 15, 16. Um, and Griffin said this, and a lot of the PKs resonated with it because especially around COVID, where a lot of church um change had been happening and people had kind of really felt isolated within that time. It's it's really difficult to be intentional and go after something after you're kind of derailed within that regard. Um, especially with everything that's happening right now, being intentional and really going out and seeking fellowship with people that are in alignment with your agreement and how we should approach our our walk with Christ, but also that are actively trying to seek out a better relationship with Christ and make amendments to their old life, whether that be habits and what they do that um that the Lord doesn't support and that go against what we need to do scripturally. Uh it's just an encouragement because to see somebody live an old life that's actively pursuing after living a new one is an encouragement, even if you yourself haven't lived that old life, because it shows that if the love of God can touch somebody else like that, then for me and somebody that feels like, oh, I already have enough, how much more could they do for me as well? And how much more could he use me to do for other people within that regard? So things like grow groups are huge within that regard because even if you yourself feel like you're further along, he can use somebody else that maybe is a new believer to teach you something that you yourself would have never found out if you would have just continued to do things that you were doing. And then connecting groups, obviously, um getting to know people like with what we do for young adults and what we've done with youth for years. Um and then serve groups is in serving your community and really living that love out to other people around you because it I mean the Lord really or Christ really came here to serve, and that was first and foremost what he did. And if you don't love your neighbor and all you claim to do is love God, and all you do is go to Sunday service, but you never live that love out to not only your own community of faith, but out to other people that you meet on the street and things like that, then how good of a servant of God are you really?

SPEAKER_07 1:39:11

Deep question to think about for sure. It's almost like you've heard that talk quite a bit. It's very well said, but very, very thorough. I like that a lot, and I know you've been a part of these things for a long time, and part of Kyopha and other things that you've been involved in in college. Um, Angus, you and I obviously we led lots of life groups, been a part of a lot of life groups. Um, on the connect side of building relationships, and I think that's kind of the entry point for most people, they're not necessarily jumping to a grow group, but some do, um, which I'm thankful for that. But on the connect side, what is it about doing life with other people and kind of building those memories you think that helps?

SPEAKER_01 1:39:42

Uh I think it helps to challenge uh you it challenges you where you're at. Um, you know, because if you grew up in a household that did life one way, uh, that's how you think life is done. And so that's why we see patterns repeat in families and and in histories. And so, you know, if you've got uh an abusive parent, you'll see uh a lot of times you'll see abuse travel on down because, well, I, you know, I made it through and this is how it happened. But when you're in relationship with other people and you can see, wait a minute, there is a different way to do life. Um, and and so that it challenges you in uh in the way that you thought, but it also can cause you to grow. Um, I look at the intentionality kind of like a trip down a river.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:27

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:40:27

So you can go with the flow in a tube and you'll get to your destination from where you started, but you can only go at the pace of the river that's taking you there. And so um, as a pastor, I know a lot of people who just go with the flow. Um, but if you want to get to your destination a little faster, you pick up a paddle and now you take that, but that takes intentionality, right? So for you to get there. But if you go a step further and you put a motor on that boat, now not only are you going to get to your destination, but you can find whole other areas, whole new parts of life that you never would have experienced before. Because even with a paddle, you can't necessarily get there, but a motor will take you further than your than your own muscles are going.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:08

Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:41:09

And so I think that that's what these life groups do is you can go with the flow, you can come to a Sunday service, and you'll get, I mean, you can get fed and you can get you can move along and and all of that. And and that's great because one step closer to Christ is one step closer to Christ. But do you want to live victoriously in Christ? Do you want your your generations to be different? And so that's how I kind of see it is you can go with the flow, you can come on Sundays, um, and you'll you'll make progress. But you know, if you come to a life group, um, then you're you're kind of picking up that paddle. And the more involved in it you get, the more things that you uh that you allow and become intentional about, then you start seeing things generationally that you would never have seen by just going with the flow. And so I think that that's why life groups are so important is because um it just takes you on your journey further and faster and it exposes you to things as that you would never have seen before, you know, just because you share the problems that you you're having, you know. Um I can't tell you how many times just after uh after we when we were having a life group in our house, um, after the meeting, once you're done with the curriculum, you start talking about life with people.

SPEAKER_05 1:42:22

Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:42:23

And they're like, you know, I'm having this problem or that problem, and then you turn them on to, you know, a supplement that you that you take because you were having the same issue, or you know, I do this this way, and and you learn life hacks from people. And it and now that one little life hack that you learn is making a big difference in your life. Yeah, and so there's there's so much that can happen as a result of life groups.

SPEAKER_07 1:42:43

Yeah, it's a great perspective. I love that. I I agree with you. I think the intentionality, and in that's a really good analogy with the with the river. I think it's right on, you know, it's about what we're we're trying to do. And I think to Javen's point too, it's like to have that plan makes a big difference. If you have a plan that you're mapped out, it's like I'm gonna do these things. Man, it has such a different level of intentionality, you know, intentionality and um just being intense in trying to work towards those things. You are working with purpose. And so I think that makes a big difference in in giving time to our faith and to grow in Christ. Obviously, we know it's a step-by-step thing. Sometimes we have to redo a lesson or two, but that's okay because you know the Lord is gracious and we're very thankful for that. None of us is worthy of that. He gives out his grace to us, and we're so thankful, giving us another chance. It brings us to actually right into this idea of competence, which is one of the C's that we talk about. We're looking at this book, R Keep the Change, by Pastor Rob Ketterling. One of his points is called Lazarus time. He's saying tomorrow is a new chance. So it's exactly that. It's the idea of like get up from what you were doing, you know, uh repent, turn to God and start again. Like, let it be something new. His point with Lazarus time is meaning like when Lazarus came back from the dead and Jesus called him out of the grave, now he's back. He's like, oh wow, this is like bonus time. And that's kind of uh Rob's point is that we should be those that are living as unto God and living with this understanding that hey, tomorrow is a brand new chance to do something better. Maybe today we didn't go so hot. Tomorrow is a new chance to do that. Jay, what do you think about that?

SPEAKER_05 1:44:10

Yeah, I mean, I re I respect the intentionality behind the phrasing of tomorrow, but I also think like within within some sense, it is like the idea that today is like the time that something needs to be done. Because within like you even think about um in a spiritual walking context, like if if you do something bad or you do something that you know is sinful, and then you constantly tell yourself, oh, you know, like I'll stop during this time or I'll stop that time, eventually you'll just continue to put it off because it's something habitual that's been built up within your life to the point where you end up being in a situation that's so far away, where you feel like you're so far away from what the Lord has called you to do, and then you ask yourself, Oh my gosh, why am I in this situation, Lord? Please deliver me. And then he goes, Remember that conviction that I gave you a whole lot long ago and that or a lot in the past when I saying, Yeah, thank you in the past that I've continued to remind you of over and over again that you've continued to put off. It's like if you would have made that decision a while ago, then you wouldn't be in this situation right now. But uh, I think I forget where I heard this phrase, but it's like the best time to do something was yesterday, but the second best time to do is right now, exactly. Yeah. So whenever you really have a sense of conviction like that in a spiritual walk, you always want to get it settled right away because if you don't and continue to put it off within that regard, it's so much easier to fall into a sense of having that sin be something habitual within your life, or within falling into a practice and following a Lord that isn't true to what the Bible says, or is a misinterpretation or perversion of the scripture that you yourself will continue to go along with. And as the years continue to roll by, if that's something that you've embedded with to your personality and the way that you approach life, if you teach that to your kids or you teach that to people around you, then you're leading them astray within that regard as well.

SPEAKER_07 1:45:52

So yeah, it's well said. And I I think from his point is not talking about pushing off till tomorrow. He's more just saying, listen, like if you're dealing with that right now, today, yeah, you have a fresh brand new. Oh no. And so it's like that idea is like, listen, today might be a loss, that's okay.

SPEAKER_05 1:46:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:46:06

Um, but you know, the next thing is there. And I was talking with Amelia about this, is Amelia's um Javen's youngest sister. And Amelia and I were talking about this, said, you know, I love about this baby is that you know you can have a bad situation that happened for an hour of the day, and it doesn't have to ruin your whole day. No, because it was that was a bad hour. Yeah, everybody admits that that was that wasn't fun. Um, but you don't have to give it your whole day. You don't have to like let it ruin your whole day with your with your attitude. And I think us having even dial dialogue dialoguing about that and kind of dialing in the the specifics of that was just it's a bad attitude, it's about perspective, and it's about that idea of like, hey, okay, I understand where I'm at in accepting that, and then I'm gonna change something and I'm gonna put that into action to your point. So it's very good.

SPEAKER_01 1:46:48

Yeah, I think that um with this, you know, it it just reminds us uh there are so many times, especially it makes me think of when we're in the season of fasting because you know, you've got 21 days ahead of you or or however long you're doing it, and then you you know you slip up and you have a candy bar or this or that. And man, there are so many people that they beat themselves up because they feel like, oh, I've failed, and there's you know, now there's no point in in moving forward.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:14

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:15

And uh and fasting is just one, but I've prayed with a lot of people who've like, man, I really messed up and there's there's no way forward. But that's not the God we serve. That that's a perspective, that that's a lie from the enemy. That you know, once you mess up, once you're done, might as well just throw up your hands and and not move forward. And that's not what God calls us to at all. You know, we know that we're broken people, we know that we're gonna mess up. And so what you do is you just have to be intentional, you have to own that, and then you've got to make a plot a different course moving forward. You know, and sometimes that requires help of other people. I know in in my case, you know, I I try not to yell so much. Um and and so that there are times that I absolutely fail in that where you know, whatever the day is or just wherever I'm at, and I'll lose it with my kids. And so am I gonna just stop and and become a yeller now? No, what I what I have to do is I have to own that. I have to say, you know what, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have done that. And man, I used to think family meetings were so corny and just something that uh only happened on Saturday specials and things like that. Um, but the reality is a family meeting has a real uh can put legs behind this idea because you go, hey guys, you know what? I've met up in this area and I want to be better. Um and and while yes, we pray to the Lord and we ask for his help, sometimes we need some physical help too. We need those reminders. And so I'll I've given my kids and my wife permission over time because as the man, we don't like to be challenged a lot of time. As the leader, we don't like to be questioned and challenged. Um but some of the most meaningful change in my life has come from the fact that I've I've I realize I've messed up today. And and today is just a repeat of those other previous mess ups. So now what I need to do is court a new card chart a new course. And so I'll call them in together and say, okay, guys, this is where I'm at. I'm really struggling with this. I need help. So when this happens, I give you permission in a respectful way, at the right time, like when when I've corrected you, it's that's not the time to correct me. Sure. You know, but but to bring something up, yeah, but but come back, bring that to me and remind me that this is this is a behavior I want to see changed in my life and and be a part of that change. Um and and then you don't have to you don't have to continue those behaviors and and you can begin to live out that that new day.

SPEAKER_07 1:49:33

Good man, I like that. Hey, uh one word to leave the podcast, Javen. Today Angus Foundation. And I'm gonna say transformation. The Lord help us to be more like him. Much love to you wherever you are. Thank you for being a part of the collective.