Madtown Bar Talk
Welcome to Madtown Bar Talk, the podcast showcasing how the heart of Madison, Wisconsin comes alive through the clinking of glasses and the lively chatter of its vibrant bar scene. Join your host, April Disch, as she sits down with the charismatic owners and hardworking staff of the city's most iconic bars.
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April is interviewed by Chloe Louise Webster for a Madtown Bar Talk twist.
And lively chatter of its vibrant bar scene. I got a PhD in bartending. Don't hate on me. I'm here to serve drinks, give a great atmosphere, and allow people to have the best time imaginable with all walks of life.
SPEAKER_00Hi, April. What's up, Chloe? Can you believe this? I cannot believe this. Here we are.
SPEAKER_02It's official.
SPEAKER_00It's a very special episode this week because uh you are the guest of your own podcast. How do you feel about that?
SPEAKER_02Uh I feel good about it. I feel real good about it. A little nervous. Yeah. But I feel really good about it.
SPEAKER_00I'm also a little nervous. You turned down many offers. Oprah was interested. Steven Colbert, everyone was interested. Um, and you picked me. So I appreciate that. Uh getting to speak with you on such a special platform as I have watched the conception of the podcast and helped a little bit along the way with different stuff. And it's been really fun to watch you on this podcast journey. So I'm really excited to talk to you a little bit today about you. Um, because I think we had talked about this before too. You know, even people listen to the podcast, but they might not know a lot about you or like your history or um the not only just like your restaurant history, but your personal history, uh that the fact that you work a million, you have a million hands and a million pots, those kind of things. So um I'm gonna dig into that a little bit today. But first, I'd just like to say thanks for having me. And I want to ask you to start by just a little intro. Like, I guess I want you to say, tell us how long have you been working in bars.
SPEAKER_02Oh god. I have been bartending 23, 24 years now.
SPEAKER_00That's a lifetime. It's a lifetime. That's how old I was when you met me, I think.
SPEAKER_02For sure. No, I I that's what that's what I know best. Yeah, I've done a lot of different things in my my life. Um, but that's like my pathway. Um it's my I feel like my purpose in life. So I've put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into this industry. And and you know, I've um started at the Coliseum Bar. That's where I started. I put my footprint. Uh Chris Welsh um was the one who was bar managing at that time with Pete, and they took me under their arm and guided me, uh, showed me the ropes. I was always that bartender that loved to do dishes. I didn't have to talk to customers because I was super, super shy. Um I kind of had to blossom. Yeah, and so Chris was always like, Stop doing dishes. I know you're really good at dishes, like a bartend. And I worked at Coliseum Bar for a couple years, and then I started working at the Paradise.
SPEAKER_00That's so crazy. Like, kind of my like well, it's we both had the same first, my first real full-time job, we had the same boss, just maybe a decade apart, and that's so weird, yeah. Um, yeah, we and I guess we should say that is that that's how we met, I guess, is for me working for you. Well, me drinking for you.
SPEAKER_02Well, I always say everyone is, you know, a regular customer at the paradise, and then they turn into an employee. Yeah, at some point.
SPEAKER_01At some point. Yes.
SPEAKER_00And then you either, yeah, and now I'm working with you in this capacity, so it's been kind of fun to work in all different realms and see, yeah, because when I met you, it's like, you know, I knew your family's owns the place, and obviously we had our mutual friends, and you had to like me a little bit to hire me. So um it it it's interesting too to watch you blossom from even who you were, you know, 20 I mean 2018 to now, even is like crazy. So it's very cool to watch this evolution and like watch you really step into the things you enjoy for yourself and because it's hard to get lost in all the you do get lost in it all though.
SPEAKER_02Um, like I was glad I worked at several different bars to just feel it out because I just didn't know as a bartender what kind of bar I wanted to work at. Yeah. And where I felt comfortable and felt myself, and I I'm glad I experienced working at like sports bars and craft bars and my true heart, where my heart is is in a in a dive.
SPEAKER_00Yes.
SPEAKER_02Um same. That's where I belong. Um because it's cool because it's like always different people in the dive bars. There's just a different mix of walks of life, and it's cool. Definitely cool to see. Um and now that the silver dollar has like officially closed and it's no longer, um, which is super, super sad to the community and to just everybody in the bar world. Um, so that took my initiative with James to be like, we've always taken this really seriously running the bar, um, but now we really need to take it another step.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And that was like, now I feel the paradise is the dive of downtown. Yeah. Um and I that's a special, special thing. Totally. Super cool. Um, and so we are gonna we're gonna make the best of what we can with it, and we serve food late as hell. Yeah, we serve until 1:30 in the morning, which is unheard of. Yeah. A lot of places after COVID definitely had to switch the game up, and um it was a good learning lesson, learning point for I think a lot of us in the industry to see how everything's you know going the way it is, and then boom, yeah, everything changes with the world. And it didn't just happen to like the bar industry, it happened to everybody.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's crazy.
SPEAKER_02So it's hard to say that it's been six years, but um I think the future of everything is I think gonna be a lot better just because I think people take things more seriously and um they just care more, yeah. Because they can see what can happen in the blink of an eye. Totally.
SPEAKER_00So and I was gonna say that if anyone wants to go and listen to you interview Bob, they can get the full history of the paradise and all that. So, but what does it I mean they always talk about you, but I would say I think it goes without saying that uh you that place would not run without you. So shout out to April once again. And also thank you for never banning me. Um never, never. You're like, no, I need you to edit.
SPEAKER_02Well, it's special. You and I definitely have something, a huge connection with the paradise because when I first started working at the paradise, I waitressed, right? So all those tables that were in the paradise, like there was waitresses, and you were one of them. And so I I think that's special that you and I both waitressed the paradise. Because it's a weird and people are like, You you guys used to serve lunch specials? Like you had waitresses and a bartender. And I was like, Yeah, like lunches at the paradise before COVID were insane.
SPEAKER_00And not only that, but talk about let's how about the year when I was serving the lunches, and then also my music was on the radio, and so I would be like, Would you like fries? And it would be like Chloe, you know, and I'd be like, I'd look at you like, what is life? I know, this is not real. Yeah, I mean, the paradise is super special to me, to my friends, and like it, yeah, it's I went back a little bit ago, and it was just like it's always just like a hug. No, no, I can go back without feeling like you know, it's just like fun to go and eat a burger, and oh, I love it.
SPEAKER_02Well, it's a comfortable place that you spent a lot of time in, and like some of those times are hard and some of them are really good, but it's just a moment where you can like go back to and still enjoy it and feel comfortable and you feel safe, and it's just a comfortable feeling for me personally.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, definitely.
SPEAKER_02It's just a place where you just know you can go.
SPEAKER_00I mean, I walked into the because I would still play shows next door when I came in to tell you I was pregnant. I was like, look.
SPEAKER_01You were like, what?
unknownI know.
SPEAKER_01You're like, what do you- I'm like, can I have mozzarella stuff?
SPEAKER_00Anyway. Yes, two orders. Anyway. Um, all right. I want to talk to you a little bit about something I really love about you is that you are a person who you overcome things and you just persevere and you keep going. That's like we have that in common. I think we just keep moving and we joke about that a lot, but it's like it is the truth. Um, and I know that you have dealt with some pretty serious health issues, and you're the, you know, and I wanted to ask you, you know, whatever you wanted to share on that, I think would be helpful in understanding kind of who you are as a person. Also, I think it's relatable to a lot of restaurant industry people like me personally, when I was serving full-time, and I would, let's say, your biggest fear is like spraining your ankle, something that would like take you off your feet where you can't physically serve tables, right? Or you can't work, you break an arm. All these things happen. Um I think it'd be interesting to share. So, what happens, you know, when it's a brain injury, when it's serious, when it's what does that look like for you? And what did that look like? What did that feel like? What was that like?
SPEAKER_02Um, so when I was, it's hard to remember dates and stuff, but if I were to look back, I believe I was like 25, 26. Um, and that's when I was probably my my hardcore peak of drinking. Um, just in the industry personally, I was a I was a big party girl. I love parties, I love the nightlight. Um, so around that age I I got pancreatitis. Um, and that was just because of what I was putting in my body. Um it was a hard time because I didn't want to accept that I had pancreatitis, and so I kept drinking and I just kept getting worse and worse and sicker and sicker. Um, I was becoming becoming a regular at uh the hospital. Um I would literally walk in and they knew my name, they knew my situation. Um, and it was probably you know what people see in the hospital in itself, you know. They I can remember this one lady, the nurse who was helping me, and she had helped me uh several times before, and she just looked at me and she was just like, You are killing yourself. You know, you have pancreatitis, April. This isn't you you either quit drinking or it's gonna kill you. Yeah. And her saying that was like an awakening for me. So it took me about a year to get sober, like fully sober, and I did it. Um it was a probably one of the best thing, like the most rewarding thing I'd ever done for myself. Because I was like, there's no fucking way I'm ever gonna be able to a get sober and still bartend. Yeah, I just didn't think it was like fathomable.
SPEAKER_00Wait, so you were 27 when you quit drinking? About 27. Me too.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_02And then I was 28, and uh I've always had severe migraines since I was a teenager. Kind of make this a long story short, um, I had a really bad migraine. And James, my husband, was kind of like, just go take a nap. Hopefully you can just sleep it off. And the only thing I can remember is I had I had woken up out of that nap. But when I woke up, I think I was in fight or flight. I couldn't see, I couldn't feel anything, and I made a phone call to my father-in-law and my dad somehow, and they couldn't really understand what I was saying on the phone, but they knew something was really wrong. Right. Um kind of go forward, they took me to the hospital. Um sadly, you know, the people at the hospital thought I was overdosing because of how I was reacting. Oh so I was like in fight or flight fighting, I was confused, and James and my dad were just straight up, and they were like, She is not overdosing. This is serious, you need to do like an MRI or CT scan. It took like a couple hours for them to get that uh done. Um, but when they finally did, I had uh a severe blood clot in my brain. It was probably the size of like an egg. And uh they were just like, Yeah, um, we're gonna have to put her in a deuce a coma for 42 hours. So I had a 50-50 chance coming out of that a coma. Um, so they put me the in the a coma for 42 hours and because if I would have had brain surgery, it that would have killed me. Because if that blood clot erupts, yeah, I would have been gone. So they kind of wanted to put me in that induced a coma for 42 hours to let it let that blood clot slowly deflate like a balloon in hopes that if it just deflated, I would have to still be able to live life. Right. But maybe in a different way. Um, which I did. Um, I woke up out of the a coma. It was like a baseball bat had hit my head. Um I knew who the president was. I didn't know what his name was, but I knew he was a black man. Right. Right. Like I knew certain things. If it probably took me, and this was literally two months before James and I got married, so I knew I was walking down that aisle and I was gonna get married, but I needed to still it probably took a good year for me to do rehab, and to to get where I am today, it's taken me 12 years. Yeah. I just celebrated my 12, 12-year anniversary, uh, February 28th is when it happened. So it's been 12 years crazy. Um but yeah, I I was doing a lot of rehab, and they do a lot of with brain injury, you have to take certain tests. They make you do tests to see like, can you do math, can you do reading? You know, and sadly I wasn't passing a lot of these tests. Wow. And they were kind of like, you should probably just know that you're never gonna be able to work again, and that you should just collect disability for the rest of your life. Yeah. And I looked at them and I was like, that is not happening. Yeah. Um, I was bartending at the Paradise, and I was also going to college at MATC at that time because my dream was always wanted to be a surgical technologist. So I was in college, and I literally had a few months before I was gonna graduate. Yeah. And my brain wasn't ready, it wasn't able to finish college. So I kind of just put that on the back burner, and then I was like, What do I know? Yeah, what am I comfortable with? And I went to the bar with James one day, and he was like, Well, just try like get your pad of paper and do your order and see let's see what you got. Yeah. And I was terrified. I was just like, How am I gonna remember things? How am I gonna remember this?
SPEAKER_00So it was By the way, most people don't know that serving a packed bar without a brain injury is pretty tough.
SPEAKER_01Um, and like most of you couldn't swing it.
SPEAKER_00So to put in perspective, her doing this with a a brain injury and feeling in this kind of level of fog is nuts.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. So yeah, I it's it's crazy to say this, but it was like my brain and my body remembered it so well.
SPEAKER_00Like the muscle memory.
SPEAKER_02Everything. Even like I always thought my brain injury was like that's what it kind of takes you over. Yeah. Right? That it but it doesn't. There your brain heals faster than any part of your body. So even though I have this empty space, a hole in my brain, my other parts of my brain overcompensate for that part that doesn't work, right? And I was just like, I'm not handicapped. Right. Like, I can figure this out, I can go back to work.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So thankfully, me being and doing this for as long as I did, that was what my brain remembered, and it guided me. That's pretty. So it was just like it was a curse, and I was pissed that it happened, but it was the best thing because if it wouldn't have happened, I wouldn't be who I am today. Right. So I always try and tell people, yeah, you may have a low point, or you may be going through something that's really hard, but you can get through it.
SPEAKER_00Definitely.
SPEAKER_02Like if you just keep working at it and just keep keep at it and keep moving forward, you are not incapable of doing anything.
SPEAKER_00That's so incredible, and obviously it means a lot. I'm sure it'll mean a lot to a lot of people to hear that. Um, and also give a whole other context of like, you know, with my personal experience with my son who has a permanent brain injury, it's inspiring when I hear other people who are like, I yes, me too, but I'm a doctor now, I'm a teacher now, I'm this, I'm that, I do this, I run a bar, I run a podcast, I do all this stuff. Like, it's really inspiring to, you know, uh family members of people who deal with brain injuries. So I really appreciate you sharing that. And like, I don't know if I've ever heard like the exact details of certain parts of that, so that's like crazy.
SPEAKER_02Um I don't talk about it a lot.
SPEAKER_00And I'm really grateful though that you had James and people there to advocate to help advocate for you that are like, no, she needs different scans because that she that's not what this is, and we know her, and um, advocacy from people around you is like can save your life, literally. So it's uh that's so that's like really good to hear as well. And yeah, it's pretty incredible all that you've overcome, and even just physically, like, you know, it's like if you're having a rough day, it's like, yeah, well, it's been worse.
SPEAKER_02Ain't that the truth? And if you can't like, yeah, obviously we've all cried about it, but if you can't laugh about it either, you gotta you gotta. You gotta. So I make jokes about it now today, you know. Was it you know, what what what doesn't break you makes you stronger. Absolutely. And you just I try not to think about the the hard things, the bad things, because I just keep wanting to look forward and look at more positive. If I stay in the positive, I won't go back in the dark. Yeah, you know what I mean? Totally. Um I still to this day do therapy and I probably will for the rem for the rest of my life. Yeah. It's okay, it's not a negative thing, it's a positive thing because I need tools. I'm growing every year. Yeah. If I'm not, I'm still naturally doing it without knowing it. Totally. You're gonna grow, you're gonna learn, and um Yeah, since I've been sober, I think my brain has never been more clear. Yeah. When you get sober from drugs or alcohol and you commit to it, you can think so much differently. Yeah. And I didn't thought like I didn't think that was possible.
SPEAKER_00I know.
SPEAKER_02Um, but it's kind of cool. You're just more creative, um, you're more open-minded. Um, maybe my patience for for patrons sometimes can be a little short, and I do apologize about that, but it's just um I've learned to still be in the the atmosphere and and be in a a space where yeah, there is alcohol being served, and you know, bad decisions can be made, but when I start my shift, I leave my bullshit at the door. When I leave, I leave the bullshit at the door so it doesn't come home with me. Yeah. Um it's it's a cool, it's a cool industry because there's all different kinds of shit that goes on and happens, but I that's what I like about it. Yeah. Um it's something different every day. And it's cool. It's not boring. Never boring. You can't get boring with it.
SPEAKER_00No. And then okay, so then I want to talk about how did we get here? So how what I want to talk about the podcast and the conceptualization and oh god. Yeah. I want to talk about how you went from us in COVID, your working, to what what happened next. Like, okay, how did we get to here?
SPEAKER_02During COVID, I was pregnant with my second son, and I also lost my mom during COVID. Um, and when I was pregnant during COVID, fucking crazy time. It was I don't I can't even put it into words. It was just nuts. Um, so I'm sitting at home, like in a box, you know. Um, I I'm manifesting and dreaming about the podcast that I that I have.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_02And I'm writing and journaling, and you had a podcast at that time. I'm watching you, you're inspiring me. And I I did message you and just be like, Chloe, hey, this is crazy. I know it is, but I'm gonna like talk to you about this anyhow. I have this idea about doing a podcast. Will you guide me? Will you help me? Will you be a part of it? And you were like, Yep, let's do this, April. And I came up with a whole bunch of different names. I reached out to family and friends, and they helped me pick Madown Bar Talk for my name. And you have out you've been with me since the very beginning. Matt Black uh was with us the first time. Um, so I I launched uh Mad Town Bar Talk two years ago, and so it was Matt and you that were part of it. Um, and then James's mom passed away, and I needed to take like a year break to just reset, refocus, going through my own personal life journey. I just needed a break. Yeah. So then I reached out to you again, and I was like, Chloe, I want to relaunch. I want to do it this year, I want to start it all over, but it's just you and me. Yep, we're girls, we're strong, we got this. Like, I want to do this, just me and you, Chloe. And my friend Charles Moran Kane, who would come into the paradise, had had watched it and listened to it, and he was kind of like, You and Chloe are good. You guys got this. Yeah, like just go do it. And he helped me pick up my equipment because I was like, I have to get my own equipment, I need to do the editing.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. I have to do this. And you've like taught yourself how to do all of it. That's what we got. That's what I mean. I would say that too. Whenever people would ask me about podcasting stuff, and I miss it all the time. I mean, I miss it. It's but it's and it's so much work. And it's like when you would be like, Oh, how do you do this? I'd be like, I'd you know, I'd help what I could, but I'm like, truly, I literally just had to like mess up and fix it and like do it my you know, learn trial and error and stuff, and now to watch like you're doing it all by yourself. It's so funny, it's so good. I never do anything.
SPEAKER_02I didn't think I could teach myself to do this in a million. I mean, you could have asked me and I'd have been like, no fucking way every able to do that.
SPEAKER_00I used to think that, yeah. You know, I remember I told you, I'm like, I booked my first interview before I owned a mic.
SPEAKER_01Like I booked a pretty famous person.
SPEAKER_02And that makes you, it pushes you.
SPEAKER_01Well, yeah, because this pretty famous person said yes, and I was like, shit.
SPEAKER_02You crunch though, you get it done. And um, yeah. I, you know, I don't just run a bar. I have two kids, I'm married, I have a podcast, I do rental properties, I have 15 bar children that I love and adore, who I guide.
SPEAKER_00Um you've got your crystals.
SPEAKER_02I have my crystals.
unknownOh my god.
SPEAKER_02But I'm probably at the most happiest peaceful place that I I'm 44 now, and I I'm in the best space in within myself I've ever been in my whole life.
SPEAKER_00That's amazing. Yeah. Wow. Oh my gosh. Well, I'm grateful to help when I can and like be part of it. It's really fun. And um obviously I'm grateful for our friendship and getting to Yeah. I mean, I I like hearing stories. We're storytellers, I feel, are like we like to help give other people the platform to tell the stories. And um, yeah, it's been really really fun watching you, and like I know how much it means to you, so it makes me happy to be a part of it for sure.
SPEAKER_02You're like I so appreciate you, Chloe.
SPEAKER_00Well, I mean, please. You're like the like my other friend I was telling you about. Like, if you call, I would say yes to whatever. I'm like, you're like if you called me and you're like, we have no staff this week, something I'd be like, okay, whip out the apron.
SPEAKER_02I'm up to bat. Let's do this.
SPEAKER_00It's like I never left. No, people, if I do visit the paradise sometimes, it's really funny to run into like an old regular that never left because they kind of are like looking at you and they're like, like, wait a minute, I know you, but you're like an ad like it's like time has passed, but you're the same. I've grown. But yeah, I mean, it's incredible to watch how far you've come just in your personal life and your journey and how much you love your boys and how much they love you, and you and James working through a very long relationship that all relationships have ups and downs, and you do business together and you do this crazy life. But I know how much he loves and supports what you do, and um, that's really important. And I think it's cool that you show your boys you can literally do whatever you want, and if they ever complain, you can be like, Yeah, mom did that with a brain injury. Can you get out of bed? Let's get going here. I feel like that's what Everett's gonna do to me. He's gonna be like, You're having a hard day, mom, huh?
SPEAKER_02Yes, yes, I am.
SPEAKER_01He's gonna be like, I had 300 appointments by age three. What do you mean?
SPEAKER_00It's like other people really do put things in perspective for you, though. Like, it's incredible. And I love getting, yeah, it's cool to. I remember when Thomas was little baby, and now he's almost six feet tall. He's literally tall. I'm five feet tall.
SPEAKER_02He's ten and wears a size 13 shoe.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, he's literally like he could attack me in an alley. He's like so tall.
SPEAKER_02He'll protect you. Yeah, he's a bear. He's a bear.
SPEAKER_00That's so cool. He's a bear. And I remember when he was so little that you were throwing out your back trying to lift him out of the bathtub. And I think about you every time I lift my my my child from his six foot one father.
SPEAKER_01I literally think about you every time I'm lifting him out of the bath. Because I also have my 45-pound three-year-old that's wearing your son's 5T hand-me-downs. Because he's so big. So funny. It's all fun and games, marrying and having kids with the tall guy.
SPEAKER_00Let me tell you. Oh my gosh. What else did you want to share? Anything else you would like to talk about in regards to the podcast, in regards to the bars, the future. We don't really know how the rest of the year is gonna shake out, but I'm hoping for episodes. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02So I my goal is to um have a new episode the first Wednesday of every month. Cool. Is when that's my hand. Yeah. Um, and I've been sticking really pretty good to that. Yeah. Um, I just, you know, I think I don't have all the answers to everything. I don't think I know it all, but I can relate to people and listen. And so I just want people to know that I'm as real as they come. I'm no bullshit, and I just wanna have real conversations with people, um, get to know who they are or hear their life story. Um yeah, and I just want people to enjoy the content that I'm putting out there. Yeah. You know, and uh there's not too many podcasts that are doing that here locally in Madison. Um, so I think it's it's good for the community.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02And um usually I end every like episode with like an inspiring quote, but there's one just thing I wanted to talk about just instead of saying a quote, but just something that someone who says who's close to me who says this all the time, and uh he says, What you learn when you're young is what you are when you're old. And I would like to kind of change the narrative to that where you can say you are what you are when you're young, when you are old, but you get to decide on what the future holds.
SPEAKER_00I agree, yeah, absolutely. That's beautiful. Yeah, uh, April. Stop.
SPEAKER_02We're not gonna cry.
SPEAKER_00No, I like literally was already tearing off its side. I cried everything, please. Um, and then I'm just yeah, thanks for letting me interview you and talk to you. And then I wanted to also talk about I think that it's fun to drop this in the podcast because then anyone who makes it to the end will hear this. But did you want to talk about the goat contest a little bit? Because we posted about it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, so the the first year uh I did the podcast, I had James make goat bar signs. Um it's the greatest of all time bar, and he made five of them. And uh my five favorite bars that I personally love, I gave those bars goat signs, and they have them up in their in their establishments.
SPEAKER_00Yes. In the Madison?
SPEAKER_02In the Madison area, and uh so I wanted to kind of make a fun scavenger hunt with these goat signs. So the first person who can go to each location, which there's five of them, take a picture of each goat sign and personally come show me or message me and prove that you have all five pictures. They can't be hodhpaj pictures, they they gotta be pictures. If if you can show me all five pictures, I am giving out uh a pretty kick-ass prize. Uh, you get it personally from me, and uh I thought it'd just be super cool to do that for Madison and for the the businesses too to you know, some of these people may have never been there, or you know, they they have but not for a long time, and it's just to get people out moving around out again, you know. So I thought it'd be fun.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. So that's there's five bars, five signs, get pictures to April, you'll get a prize, and I don't know, maybe you can have me on someday as the guest. Do we have it? It'll be like a four-parter.
SPEAKER_02I appreciate you, Chloe. Always sticking with me and being with me so beginning.
SPEAKER_00Ride or die.
SPEAKER_01And with us Let's override.
SPEAKER_00I'm always here to bring the dark comedy and sprinkle glitter.
SPEAKER_02I love it. That's why I love you.
SPEAKER_00Thanks, Madison, for listening and for having me. This was not up to they're like, it wasn't our choice.
SPEAKER_01We signed up for April. We thought we got rid of you years ago.
SPEAKER_02Well, I love you, Chloe.
SPEAKER_01I love you, April.
SPEAKER_02I'd like to give a special thanks to Chloe Louise Webster for music, social media, and everything she does. Charlie Monroe Kane, amazing human being. Thank you for helping me get this podcast up and going again. And to my amazing, amazing supportive family. As always, be safe. Tip your bartender and server.